On CNN Sunday, Howard Kurtz asked his "Reliable Sources" guests if Fox News's Glenn Beck should be fired for calling President Obama a racist.
As he pressed the issue, Kurtz must have forgotten how much attention his own network gave to Kanye West's claim in the wake of Hurricane Katrina that "George Bush does not care about black people."
In fact, in the weeks following the destruction of New Orleans, CNN hosts, anchors, contributors, and guests spoke openly about West's remarks, as well as whether or not the government's response to that disaster was racist.
Despite this, Kurtz asked his guests the following questions Sunday (video embedded below the fold):
- Is some of this cable commentary getting out of control? Shouldn't there be a line you can't cross without getting fired?
- Is calling the President a racist -- not saying that he made a racist statement, but that he hates white people -- is that simply out of bounds?
- Is it enough for Fox to say, "Oh, that's just Glenn's opinion?" Fox News gives him a platform.
- I've interviewed Glenn Beck back when he worked for CNN's Headline News, and he, you ask him about his inflammatory statements, and he'll say, "I'm just a rodeo clown," portrays himself as an entertainer. So my question is: how does he get away with this? He doesn't seem to be paying any price. If anything he's getting more attention.
Hmmm. Is calling the President a racist -- not saying that he made a racist statement, but that he hates white people -- is that simply out of bounds?
Well, consider what rapper Kanye West said on September 2, 2005, during a telethon to raise money for Katrina victims:
I hate the way they portray us in the media. If you see a black family, it says they're looting. See a white family, it says they're looking for food. And you know that it's been five days because most of the people are black. And even for me to complain about it, I would be a hypocrite because I've tried to turn away from the TV, because it's too hard to watch. I've even been shopping before I've even given a donation. So now I'm calling my business manager right now to see what is the biggest amount I can give, and just to imagine if I was down there, and those are my people down there. So anybody out there that wants to do anything that we can help with the set up the way America is set up to help the poor, the black people, the less well-off as slow as possible. I mean, the Red Cross is doing everything they can. We already realize a lot of people that could help are at war right now, fighting another way, and they have given them permission to go down and shoot us...George Bush doesn't care about black people.
Was that out of bounds?
Apparently not, for moments after it was uttered on live television, CNN's Larry King asked guest Jesse Jackson about it:
LARRY KING, CNN: Jesse, I understand that Kanye West, a rapper at the NBC telethon tonight, unscripted, said that President Bush, George Bush does not care about black people. Do you have that feeling?
JESSE JACKSON: Well, he responded mighty late and mighty slow. There was one response to the tsunami and some years ago to the -- a response to the Armenian earthquake crisis, but he came in five days late, with platitudes. And in the case of 9/11, he came in two days later and embraced all those who were involved. There's a sense of alienation, a sense of distance, and we don't feel good about it.
I hope that there will be renewed commitment, not to just involve Mr. Bush and Mr. Clinton, but why not involve people like Congressman Bennie Thompson from Mississippi and Cynthia Cleo Fields (ph) and Senator Bigenfiggis (ph). We...
KING: But you don't...
JACKSON: ... ought to have a sense of being a part of this, and we're not.
KING: You don't think he doesn't care?
JACKSON: Well, he does not show it. And that's the -- that's the rub. And we need to know, we need to have access for dialogue, and we don't have it.
The following day, on CNN's "American Morning," Soledad O'Brien actually defended West's remarks, and debated her guest when he disagreed:
SOLEDAD O'BRIEN, CNN: Welcome back, everybody, to a special edition of AMERICAN MORNING on a Saturday morning.
There was a telethon on Friday evening. It was to raise money for some of the victims of Hurricane Katrina and the aftermath as well. And very clearly frustrated rapper Kanye West had this to say about what was going on here in New Orleans.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
KANYE WEST, RAPPER: We already realize a lot of the people that could help are at war right now fighting another way. And they've given them permission to go down and shoot us. George Bush doesn't care about black people.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
S. O'BRIEN: We're joined by Tom Joyner. He is a nationally syndicated radio host of the show of the same name.
Tom, good morning. Nice to talk to you as always. Is Kanye West right? He says that essentially black people are not perceived to be important, so therefore, why rush to save them, kind of in a nutshell?
TOM JOYNER, RADIO HOST: I think your pictures explain it all. And you know, I'm not here for the, you know, would have, could have, should haves. I think the time is for doing something. And that's what we're trying to do on this end, is to help -- is to try to do what we can to help the people that have been affected. And we see that most of the people that have been affected are poor African- Americans.
S. O'BRIEN: You know, clearly, in a lot of ways I understand your focus, which is let's not lay blame. Let's try to get something done that's productive.
But at the same time, there are people who say it's racist. Black people are not being helped because they're black. Here at this hospital, I've got to tell you walking through, there's a lot of white people here. In a lot of ways, it seems the common theme to me, at least Tom, is socioeconomic. There's a lot of poor people here.
JOYNER: And I think that that is the -- I think that it's poor people. And poor people come in all colors. When you're in New Orleans, most of the poor people are black. And so you're going get those attacks on the system as being racist and not responding because they're mostly black people.
But again, you know, pointing fingers and laying blame at a time like this is not productive. And there are a lot of people out will who have been displaced. And we need to do something about these people being displaced and their lives upside-down.
S. O'BRIEN: At the same time, Tom, let me ask you this question. Kanye West had this to say additionally about overall media and their attention to the blacks and the whites in this crisis. Let's listen to what he said.
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WEST: I hate the way they portray us in the media. You see a black family, it says they're looting. You see a white family, it says they're looking for food.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
S. O'BRIEN: Hey, Tom, here's what I think he's talking about. This is a picture we'll show you right here of the Associated Press. And this shows a black man. And the caption underneath it says this, "A young man walks through chest deep flood water after looting a grocery store in New Orleans on Tuesday."
And then you have this picture. This was from the AFP media organization. And it says this -- shows two white people. "Two residents wade through chest-deep water after finding bread and soda from a local grocery store after Hurricane Katrina came through the area in New Orleans."
The white people find the bread, huh, at a local grocery store. The black guy must be looting. You can sort of understand his frustration, even though these are two different media organizations. Does he have a point here?
Hours later, "CNN Live Saturday" aired the following:
TONY HARRIS, CNN: Have you heard this? Rapper Kanye West used a telethon to voice harsh criticism on the federal response to the storm. West was taking part in an NBC benefit for hurricane victims last night when he blasted President Bush.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
KANYE WEST, RAPPER: We already realize a lot of the people that could help are at war right now, fighting another way, and they've given them permission to go down and shoot us.
George Bush doesn't care about black people.
(END VIDEO CLIP) HARRIS: Mr. Bush has signed a $10.5 billion relief package for storm victims. NBC issued a statement after the telecast that said West's opinions in no way represent the views of the network.
BETTY NGUYEN, CNN: Well, many people are asking why is it that most of the victims stranded in New Orleans crying for help are black. CNN's Beth Nissen explores that very question.
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BETH NISSEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is the face of this tragedy and this, and this. Poor people, poor black people facing race and class as elements of this tragedy raises questions, some hard, some ugly, few simple.
Why so many African-Americans among the stranded, the sick and wounded, the dead? This is one of the simple answers: Two-thirds of New Orleans residents are black, many of them poor and in poor health. Many of them crowded into parts of town where the rents were lowest and the water table highest. Why didn't they get out when so many others did before the storm? Some were surely careless, heedless, but many more had no car, no money for a ticket out, no were to go, except to the Superdome and the convention center where thousands sought refuge and found a hell on earth.
Their stories have emerged in a chaotic mass, stories of heat, stench, of down spiral of breakdowns in plumbing, emotions, resilience, morality. With tens of thousands of people living like animals, some small number began behaving like animals, preying on the week, foraging, some taking what they needed, some taking anything they could.
Millions of Americans watching from a distance shook their heads and asked how could people come to this, to mob and shoot at rescue helicopters, to invade hospitals. Those still stranded in the swamped city answered with desperate angry questions of their own. How could no one come for us for days? Why so long before the National Guard appeared, before the chartered buses came, before rescue? Would help have come sooner if they'd voted more often or differently? Had stronger leaders, better local government? If there wasn't a war on and National Guard troops were home? If this tragedy was different on the face of it?
Beth Nissen, CNN New York.
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HARRIS: Would it be different? A question...
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HARRIS: A question for our next guest, Reverend we're on. Reverend good to see you, my friend.
REVEREND JOSEPH LOWERY, CO-FOUNDER OF SOUTHERN CHRISTIAN LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE: Oh, I didn't know we were on. HARRIS: The Reverend Joseph lowery joins us now.
LOWERY: Good to see you.
HARRIS: The president of the SCLC. Good to see you, my friend.
LOWERY: Well, thank you. It's good to see you.
HARRIS: I need your perspective on this, we don't want to shy away from the question of race, here at CNN, but we want context and perspective. A lot of folks are asking if the face of this tragedy had been more white than black might the response have been different? Take it in whatever direction you'ld like to.
The following morning, Wolf Blitzer addressed this issue on "Late Edition":
WOLF BLITZER, CNN: Listen to what Kanye West, the artist, said the other night on NBC at a fund raiser for relief victims. I'll read it to you, and I want your reaction.
"I hate the way they portray us in the media. You see a black family -- it says they are looting. You see a white family -- it says they are looking for food. And you know, it has been five days because most of the people are black. George Bush doesn't care about black people."
Controversial remarks, but I'm anxious for your reaction.
REP. BENNIE THOMPSON (D-Mississippi): Well, I think the response from FEMA and the United States government was slow. I've heard that from a number of people, not just Cornell West.
BLITZER: That was Kanye West, not Cornell West -- Kanye West.
THOMPSON: Oh, OK. Well, I've heard it from a number of people.
The real problem associated with this is why did it take four days to amass the kind of response necessary to deal with the situation? We have all the assets necessary to do this.
We could have staged them in an area and said, as soon as the storm leaves we can move forward and assess this situation in a better matter. If CNN can get its news crews into New Orleans and Biloxi and Gulfport in a timely manner, why can't we get the assets of FEMA and the United States government there to help the people?
BLITZER: And what's the answer?
THOMPSON: Well, we failed on that test, so what we have to do is continue to support the men and women in the rescue, to make sure that we get people out. But at the end of the day, somebody has to be held accountable. The president was absolutely correct. FEMA and DHS failed in its adequate response to this dilemma.
BLITZER: Listen to what your colleague in the Congressional Black Caucus, the immediate past chairman, Elijah Cummings, said earlier this week on Friday here in Washington.
He said, "We cannot allow it to be said by history that the difference between those who lived and those who died in this great storm and flood of 2005 was nothing more than the poverty, age or skin color."
You know, a lot of people believe that if this had hit another area -- at least the accusation is -- perhaps the federal government would have been more attuned, would have been better prepared.
THOMPSON: Well, all the records indicated that every time we've had such a disaster as Katrina we've responded in a far superior manner than we responded in this point. So, Congressmen Cummings and my colleagues on the Congressional Black Caucus are absolutely correct.
The following morning on "CNN Daybreak," Carol Costello discussed this issue:
CAROL COSTELLO, CNN: I want to talk about race relations and how they're becoming strained. And I know you've heard what Kanye West said. Friday night there was a fund raiser given by NBC. And on the air, Kanye West, who was a rapper, said this. And I'll allow our viewers to listen.
VANESSA WILLIAMs, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE NATIONAL CONFERENCE OF BLACK MAYORS: OK.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
KANYE WEST, RAPPER: George Bush doesn't care about black people.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COSTELLO: Seems to be a sweeping statement. Do you agree with his statement? Did he go too far?
WILLIAMS: Well, if I may, Dr. King once said that in times where we have great love, you can have great disappointment. And what you're seeing here is that a group of people, a nation of people that have great love for their people. And when they're watching them not receive help and they're watching images that will remind you of third world countries. And you know I've heard many say this is Rwanda here in America. You know that's hurtful.
But I do believe that we, as a people, as a nation, have the ability to bounce back from this. But we have to bring all parties to the table. I mean our organization has been inundated with calls. We've spoken with Mayor Nagin. There's a great deal of frustration that's going on within the African-American community, because their voices are not being heard. So we really just need to make sure that not only the mayors but the key leadership are able to come to the table, to be at the table to address these situations.
COSTELLO: But by making statements like that, doesn't that hurt rather than help?
WILLIAMS: Well you know you really can't -- I would say in some instances it may be looked upon as though it hurts, but that's his truth. You know unfortunately that's the way he feels at this moment. And unfortunately that's the way many of African-Americans feel at this moment. Many of us that are in key leadership feel that way at this moment. And that concern needs to be addressed.
When we're watching us rebuild Iraq and yet we're hearing on television very insensitive statements by key leadership within our government saying that maybe we should not rebuild New Orleans. Well you have a great deal of people who are saying well if we can rebuild third world countries, why can we not rebuild New Orleans?
And so there's a great deal of concern that this is not, and I've communicated this to our membership, as well as to those who we have been able to speak to, that this is not just a black issue, this has become a class issue. This is an issue about poor people and black people and people of color that are getting no representation whatsoever. And therefore we are trying to be that voice. And I just really want to thank you for giving us the opportunity to do that today.
COSTELLO: Any time. Vanessa Williams, Executive Director of the National Conference of Black Mayors, thank you for joining us this morning.
Costello addressed this issue again the following morning:
CAROL COSTELLO, CNN: By now, it is a familiar refrain, the blame game. Don't play it now. Later is better.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's plenty of time for the blame game later on.
SCOTT MCCLELLAN, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: This is not a time to get into any finger-pointing or politics or anything of that nature.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now is not the time to blame anyone. Now is the time to come together.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's still too early to do too much finger- pointing. (END VIDEO CLIP)
COSTELLO: Of course, there are two ways to look at that. One, it's true it is better, but for some it's a political diversion, directing attention away from what they see as a bitter truth.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm calling for them to take care of Americans regardless of their color. Significant numbers of people in the Gulf are African-American. And we stand here because we are concerned about them.
REV. AL SHARPTON, CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST: I've said unequivocally that I feel race was a factor.
JESSE JACKSON, CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST: There's a sense of alienation, a sense of distance, and we don't feel good about it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: George Bush doesn't care about black people.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COSTELLO: We know by the number of e-mails we have received the talk in your living room was hot about this issue, and we're going to talk about both sides of the issue.
We'll start with Callie Crossley, a media critic and social commentator.
Welcome, Callie.
CALLIE CROSSLEY, MEDIA CRITIC: Hi. How are you, Carol?
COSTELLO: I'm fine. When you hear it's not the right time to point the finger, doesn't that seem reasonable?
CROSSLEY: Yes. I don't -- I actually don't have a problem with that. I think that there are, however, some things that have to be raised as we go forward with coverage. And, in fact, by talking about it some changes have already been made. And I will point specifically to the use of the word "refugees" at the outset by journalists across the board, and now that word has been pretty much universally replaced with "evacuees."
Now, why does that make a difference? It makes a difference because refugees gives the impression that these people are "the other," somehow different, not American, where if you use the word "evacuees," you're really referencing the action and what has happened to them. And you are able to, I think, take an edge off of the perhaps stereotype about the people who were most affected here.
COSTELLO: But do you believe, as Kanye West said, that the president doesn't care about black people, and that's why the rescue effort didn't happen as fast as some people would have liked?
CROSSLEY: I can't think about Kanye West's comments in terms of what he may believe about President Bush. Here is what I can say about it. If you're looking from the outside, and not just from other Americans, but from around the world, nobody can understand why food and water could not be dropped to the population as the situation was getting increasingly desperate.
I mean, Carol, you know, the reporters were crying, saying to the government officials, food and water? Why can't we get food and water?
So, it's very hard for people to understand why that couldn't happen. And it leads you to think, well, if this was a different kind of population, if this population were not poor, if this population were not predominantly African-American, would something have happened faster?
You might be able to say the other response getting out to some of the other communities, bringing people out, some of the other response could be delayed. But not being able to do something as simple as getting food and water dropped, you know...
COSTELLO: But by saying that, Callie, aren't you saying -- and that's petty callous. Just because people are poor, you don't get aid there in time? I mean, on purpose?
CROSSLEY: I don't think that -- I don't think -- I'm saying, you asked me the question of why people would think that. And so, I'm saying this is the image that remains as the result of it, because you're looking to try to find a reason for it. You know that this is the most powerful nation in the world. And you can look and see what happened during the tsunami when food and water was dropped immediately by our people.
So, you have to ask the question, well, why is that not happening on our own shores, within our own country? What's the problem here?
COSTELLO: Well...
CROSSLEY: I think we're dealing with images that people can't shake. That they've been there for so long, they're so entrenched some of the stereotypes. And it's hard for people to respond positively when they don't see that the response was forthcoming.
COSTELLO: Right. I know that President Bush is trying to repair the damage, because he says he does car. His mother and father, Barbara Bush and George Bush, Sr., toured the Astrodome in Houston, visiting the evacuees.
Barbara Bush said on National Public Radio and I quote. She said: "Almost everyone we talked to said we're going to move to Houston, and so many of the people in the arenas here, you know, were underprivileged anyway. This is -- this is working very well for them."
What do you think she meant by that?
CROSSLEY: Again, I can't assess what she may or may not have meant. I'm going to, just looking at it and taking it at face value, I assume she means that this could be step up for people who were not doing well where they lived originally. But, you know, that's not for any of us to say.
Those were the homes of people. They had made their home there. And I think we have to understand -- somehow get to the point of understanding what is the population here and get a way to describe it.
I think the journalists really have been struggling with really how to describe using a language for poverty, because this is not an arena we cover. These are people who are mostly invisible to us. They do the service work, and they disappear.
I think it's really hard for people to understand folks without means, folks without ability to get themselves from one place to the next, because they don't have the financial wherewithal.
I think some of the journalism that's been reported recently has been brilliant and really detailing, I mean detailing. For example, describing from one man, he said, I make $340 a month. I mean, how could I get myself out, you know?
COSTELLO: Yes. And I don't have a car or the means to get out.
CROSSLEY: Exactly.
COSTELLO: Callie Crossley, thank you for joining us this morning.
We want to get to the other perspective now. Bob Parks, a former Republican congressional candidate, who has written on this topic.
President Clinton, by the way, said exclusively on CNN, we failed these people.
So, Bob, it's your turn now. You wrote a column on americandaily.com. And you're very upset at the images of blacks looting. You write, and I quote: "Black people in New Orleans should be made to understand that the whole world is watching. Any racism people may have is being justified every time they turn on their televisions."
Some might say that statement is racist. Aren't you using a broad brush?
BOB PARKS, AMERICANDAILY.COM: Well, when the perception is given on worldwide television that the only people who are doing the looting are black, first of all, I just don't understand in a situation like that is over this need to loot. We have been through this before with the Rodney King riot. I mean, there's just times when you need to get everybody together. There are boneheads in the world that will do things. And, you know, the looting, the lawlessness in New Orleans set back any progress that could have been made to get initial relief in. Right now, there obviously is a concerted effort to make this look like -- it was planned as a racist thing in the first place, like the Bush administration just decided they were trying to try to exterminate black people on worldwide television. I think that whole notion is absurd.
And I think the real story, which a lot of people are being very careful to navigate around, is to find out what was the lack of response from the local and from the state.
COSTELLO: Well, Bob, why is the sentiment out there that many in the black community feel that this was the reason that the response was so slow, because these people were poor and black?
PARKS: Well, because that is the story that a lot of pundits are putting out right now. I think there's a lot of damage control going on as far as the people who were really on the ground there who could have made the decisions. They did not. And it is an attempt to -- and anytime the people who make money on race, whether they be civil rights activists, these people are always looking for a reason to play the race card and say that Republicans and conservatives really just want to kill all black people. And here was a perfect opportunity.
COSTELLO: Who are you specifically talking about?
PARKS: Oh, well, let's see. Jesse Jackson was in town, was in Baton Rouge, for example, making incendiary statements. Let's see, Kanye West said black people -- or that George Bush didn't care about black people. You know, and for public policy experts like Kanye West to say things like that, I would venture to say the people who were being -- the women who were being raped in the Superdome were probably more influenced by people like Kanye West and his peers than by George W. Bush.
But, you know, at the same time, he's now concerned about the media perception of blacks when you look at the kind of music he puts out.
But anyway, I'm sorry to get off the subject a little bit.
COSTELLO: Yes, we have to button this up, unfortunately.
PARKS: Sure. But, you know, I don't -- I guess sort of the main racist comments that were looked at were when black people were looting, it was called "looting." When white people were seen looting, it was called, "finding what they need to survive." If that's the case, then that's on the media. That has nothing to do with what black people were doing or what white people were doing. Those perceptions come back down to the media, and media has been known to play these kinds of games before.
That evening, "Showbiz Tonight" did a lengthy segment on this issue:
A.J. HAMMER, CO-HOST: I`m A.J. Hammer.KARYN BRYANT, CO-HOST: And I`m Karyn Bryant. TV`s only live entertainment news show starts right now. [...]
HAMMER (voice-over): Race and the disaster. The aftershocks of rapper Kanye West`s explosive racial comments during the telethon for hurricane relief. A firestorm of controversy raging tonight. Was Kanye on the mark, or out of line? [...]
HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. I`m A.J. Hammer.
Our coverage of the fallout from Hurricane Katrina continues now with a very touchy and very explosive issue that has really come to the surface recently: the issue of race.
Tonight, the aftershock from the bombshell dropped by Kanye West during NBC`s live hurricane benefit. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT`s David Haffenreffer here now live with the latest.
DAVID HAFFENREFFER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, some controversy here, A.J. On live TV Friday night, Kanye West shocked the nation with an off- the-cuff slam on President Bush.
He also had blunt words about an even hotter topic: the black victims of Hurricane Katrina. He suggested race had something to do with why so many people went without help in the days after the hurricane. His comment revealed the divisive undercurrent to the media coverage of the Katrina catastrophe.
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KANYE WEST, RAPPER: George Bush doesn`t care about black people.
HAFFENREFFER (voice-over): Days after rapper Kanye West rapped President Bush on live TV with those seven strong words, a fiery debate is now engulfing the platinum-selling rapper, the president of the United States, a former president of the United States and a major TV network.
It`s all about one of the most divisive questions to come from the Katrina aftermath: did race play a role in the rescue efforts and media coverage?
During NBC`s live telecast of its Concert for Hurricane Relief Friday night, West and actor Mike Myers were paired up to read prewritten remarks on the Katrina disaster. Myers stayed with what was on the teleprompter. West did not.
WEST: I hate the way they portray us in the media. We see a black family, it says they`re looting. You see a white family; it says they`re looking for food.
With the setup the way America is set up to help the poor, the black people, the less well off as slow as possible.
HAFFENREFFER: A few seconds later, West launched his broadside.
WEST: George Bush doesn`t care about black people.
HAFFENREFFER: And NBC then pulled the plug on West, and while West`s Bush bash aired live on the East Coast, NBC cut it out of the West Coast replay three hours later.
The network quickly defended its decision saying, quote, "It would be most unfortunate if the efforts of the artists who participated tonight and the generosity of millions of Americans who are helping those in need are overshadowed by one person`s opinion."
ROBERT HILBURN, "L.A. TIMES": I think that was the one true and honest and meaningful moment in the whole telecast.
HAFFENREFFER: Robert Hilburn of "The Los Angeles Times" is criticizing NBC`s decision.
HILBURN: We shouldn`t disenfranchise people because the network thinks it`s not polite.
HAFFENREFFER: but even though viewers on the West Coast may have not seen West`s comments, plenty of people did, and it led some to defend the president, like his father did on "LARRY KING LIVE" this weekend.
GEORGE H.W. BUSH, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: There was one particularly vicious comment that was insensitive on ethnicity...
KING: Yes.
BUSH: ... insensitive about race. And that one hurt, because I know this president and I know he does care.
HAFFENREFFER: West is the latest person to address the racial component of the Katrina disaster, a debate that has been slowly building on the airwaves.
REV. AL SHARPTON, NATIONAL ACTION NETWORK: I`ve said unequivocally that I feel race was a factor.
NAGIN: I think it`s more a class issue than race.
JACK CAFFERTY, CNN COMMENTATOR: Despite the many angles of this tragedy, and lord knows there have been a lot on Orleans, there is a great big elephant in the living room that the media seems content to ignore.
HAFFENREFFER: But now that it`s been taken up by West, a very popular rapper with a new CD that`s just released last week, it appears certain that the great, big elephant in the room, Katrina and race, is not being ignored any longer.
HILBURN: I think Kanye West is a great artist, and I think he said something that millions of people are debating in their mind. Is -- was the federal government -- would this have been done differently if this had been the heart of Los Angeles or Beverly Hills? Would there have been FEMA and all these people in there faster or not?
(END VIDEOTAPE)
HAFFENREFFER: That debate continues. Kanye West`s controversial comments won`t keep him off the airways. ABC says West will perform as scheduled Thursday during the network`s NFL season opener pre-game show. But don`t expect much from him other than music. He said today he doesn`t want anything to take away from the show -- Karyn.
BRYANT: David Haffenreffer, thank you very much.
And Kanye`s comments have sparked fierce debate, begging the question, has race played a factor in the rescue efforts and also the media coverage?
Joining us live to talk about that, from Washington, D.C., president and CEO of the Black Entertainment Network, Deborah Lee.
Hi, Deborah. Thanks for joining us.
DEBORAH LEE, PRESIDENT/CEO, BET: Hi, Karyn.
BRYANT: I want to know your thoughts on the fact that NBC edited what Kanye said. He said that President Bush does not care about black people. If you were on the West Coast, you didn`t hear that. What are your thoughts on NBC taking those words out?
LEE: Well, I think Kanye had a right to say what he did. Unfortunately, he said it in a show that was heavily scripted and not something that NBC was prepared for, but I regret that NBC edited it out on the West Coast.
Last I heard, this was a nation that believed in First Amendment rights and freedom of speech. And Kanye is a well-known artist, and he had the right to express his opinion.
BRYANT: And BET will have a telethon this Friday. Had this happened on your show, what would you have done?
LEE: Had this happened on our show we would have let Kanye continue, and Kanye is going to appear on our telethon on Friday. We look forward to hearing his opinions.
You know, as someone earlier said race it is an issue no one wants to address, but if you look at all of the images that have been shown this week, most of them have been of African-Americans. And there`s no question that African-Americans were affected more than others in this tragedy.
BRYANT: Well, here`s the thing. Orleans is a city that is almost 70 percent black; 30 percent of the people live below the poverty line. So some have argued that by simply showing the folks that live there, you are going to be showing more black faces.
I do want to know your thoughts on the idea, though, that the coverage has been, you know -- that, for example, the comments on the A.P. photos, calling black people looters, calling white people finders of food. I just kind of want to know your thoughts on the media`s tone of racism in this and whether you think it`s there.
LEE: Well, I think it was unfortunate this so early on that everyone was classified as a looter. We didn`t know the stories behind those people.
Wolf Blitzer discussed the issue again just two days later on the "Situation Room":
WOLF BLITZER, CNN: Despite the devastation Hurricane Katrina has caused, also a political firestorm here in Washington. There are new criticisms of harsh comments from Howard Dean, and new comments on Vice President Dick Cheney's first visit to the disaster zone.
Here with me two guests, CNN political analyst Paul Begala, a former Bill Clinton adviser, and CNN contributor, president of American Cause, Bay Buchanan. Let's listen to what Howard Dean, the chairman of the Democratic Party, said last night, among other things.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
HOWARD DEAN, DNC CHAIRMAN: Survivors are being evacuated. And as order is restored and the water recedes, and we sort through the rubble, we have to come to terms with ugly truth that skin color, age and economics played a significant role in who survived and who did not.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BLITZER: Paul, is he right? Specifically skin color played a role...
PAUL BEGALA, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: He didn't say that. He said skin color, and age and economics.
BLITZER: Skin color, age and economics played a significant role in who survived and who did not.
BEGALA: And that's just not Howard Dean saying that, or you know, some irresponsible rap artist who apparently said that last week. Don Imus, nobody's idea of a liberal -- he's a radio talk show host based in New York -- he's been saying all along that President Bush -- maybe it's not that he doesn't care about black people, Imus says, he doesn't care enough.
And when that sort of conversation gets going -- I happen to think it's not just race, that it's more class than race. I think that President Bush would have been just as neglectful of poor white people in say, rural Vermont. I think it's more about class than race. But these racial tensions are there. And I think both parties need to be very careful about that.
BLITZER: Bay, what do you think?
BAY BUCHANAN, AMERICAN CAUSE: And those racial tensions are there. And they should not be stroked by people in a position like Howard Dean who knows better. It's clear that the people who are poor in New Orleans were overwhelmingly African-American. We can't change that fact. It's also true that the poor and the elderly and the sick should have been taken out of that city before Katrina, because we all knew they would be the least likely to get out on their own. So, there was a mistake made whoever's fault it was, we should understand. But it wasn't anything to do with their black, it was their circumstances.
So, I agree with Paul. And I think that leaders in this country should be very careful before they're throwing out that race card, because that is not beneficial to either party. It's certainly not to the nation.
BLITZER: I think you agree with Bay on that, right?
BEGALA: Right. I'm not a great Howard Dean fan, I have to say. But I think he was not playing the race card here the way that that rap artist was. I think he was saying something that's inarguably true -- at least, I guess it's arguably true. But I think he's right about -- that race was one of many factors that disadvantaged these folks.
"Showbiz Tonight" did another segment on this issue that night:
KARYN BRYANT, CNN: Was race a factor in how the victims of Hurricane Katrina were treated?
The following day, Wolf Blitzer invited DNC Chairman Howard Dean on the "Situation Room" to discuss the issue:
WOLF BLITZER, CNN: Many Democrats have been quick to pounce on the federal government's response to Hurricane Katrina, with some suggesting relief might have come more quickly if so many victims had not been black and poor. [...]
BLITZER: Do you believe the response from the federal government, the Bush administration specifically, the president of the United States, that there were racist or racial overtones in that response? [...]
BLITZER: Some, as you know, critics of the president, Kanye West, the rap artist, for example, have accused him of being a racist.
Later that evening, "Showbiz Tonight" aired a segment about West's appearance on the "Ellen Degeneres Show":
SIBILA VARGAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Kyra.
And Kanye West speaking about the issue for the first time since he made his comments last week, and a response from the first lady of the United States. It`s issue that many, including an overwhelming amount of SHOWBIZ TONIGHT viewers, have passionate feelings and opinions about.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
WEST: You know, I`ve been brutally honest since I was a little kid and I think I was made to do this.
VARGAS (voice-over): Appearing on the "Ellen DeGeneres Show" just today, multi-platinum rapper Kanye West spoke about the seven strong words he spoke live at an NBC telethon last week...
WEST: George Bush doesn`t care about black people.
VARGAS: ... words that sparked a heated an emotional debate that has only escalated over the past week.
DEGENERES: Good for you for saying it. And it shocked people because we don`t know what to do with that; it`s hard to listen to that.
WEST: I was on the brink of tears, and maybe I did start crying. I don`t remember, it was just so emotional that I just felt like it was so many things that I had been hearing and bullet points that I`d been hearing that weren`t on those teleprompters.
So my goal was to go in there. And I told Mike, I was like, "Yo," I told Mike Myers, "I`m going to ad lib a little bit, so just" -- and I remember going up to Chris, Chris Tucker and saying, "Get ready for live TV."
So I just went up there, and I just wanted to bullet point these things that just disturbed me so much.
VARGAS: His comments and the reverberations from them reached the White House, and the first lady, Laura Bush, responded just last night in an interview with American Urban Radio Networks.
LAURA BUSH, FIRST LADY: I think all of those remarks were disgusting, to be perfectly frank because, of course, President Bush cares about everyone in our country. And I know that. I mean, I`m the person who lives with him.
VARGAS: The top selling artist`s words were quickly becoming one of the top topics in Washington. Here`s Democratic chairman Howard Dean on Wednesday.
HOWARD DEAN, CHAIR, DNC: ... that skin color, age and economics played a significant role in who survived and who did not.
VARGAS: And taking it up a notch on CNN`s "THE SITUATION ROOM," former Clinton aid Paul Begala responded to Dean`s comments with a strong accusation.
PAUL BEGALA, FORMER CLINTON AID: I think he was not playing a race card here the way that that rap artist was.
WOLF BLITZER, ANCHOR, "THE SITUATION ROOM": That rap artist being Kanye West.
VARGAS: That rap artist is now thrust into the center of an emotional and politically charged issue that has everyone talking.
SHOWBIZ TONIGHT has been covering the issue from the start. Your viewer e-mails on Kanye`s comments have been overwhelming our in-boxes.
Writing from New Jersey, Joel says, "I congratulate Kanye for speaking the truth. Let`s be real; if a natural disaster would`ve hit Beverly Hills, food, shelter and anything and everything else needed would have been provided the same day."
But Josh in Pennsylvania took a different view: "For someone in Kanye West`s position of the public eye to suggest that our lack of swift response to this natural disaster was racially related is absurd. Regardless of whether you are or aren`t a supporter of Bush (and I`m not), to use race as the reasoning for this is truly sad."
So, Ellen congratulated West for making this remark, and CNN shared it with its viewers. When you add it all up, in the week following West saying "George Bush doesn`t care about black people," CNN practically treated the rapper like a national hero, covering him and his words on a daily basis. BUT, four years later, when a white talk show host said that President Obama was racist for the way he handled the Henry Louis Gates-Sgt. James Crowley affair, a CNN host wants to know why the talker wasn't fired? Why the double standard? If West's comments were compelling enough for CNN -- and virtually every other media outlet for that matter -- to explore whether or not former President Bush's handling of Hurricane Katrina was impacted by his view of black people, why shouldn't CNN et al find Beck's comments compelling enough to question whether or not President Obama's response to the Gates-Crowley affair was impacted by his view of white people? At the very least, given CNN's reaction to West and his remarks, it seems absurd for Kurtz or any CNNer to call for Beck's termination. The network established a precedent in 2005 that calling a president racist isn't over the line or out of bounds. Maybe the double standard here is an ironic vindication of what Attorney General Eric Holder said in February about America being a nation of cowards when it comes to openly discussing racial issues. After all, if a black rapper is practically applauded by media for calling a white president a racist, but a white talk show host is lambasted for calling a black president the same thing, it certainly makes an honest discussion concerning racial issues rather scary, don't you think? In fact, I will likely be attacked by folks on the left for having the nerve to write this piece. I almost guarantee it. Doesn't make for a very open discussion when one side isn't allowed to say anything, does it? In the end, maybe Holder was right, but I doubt very highly he looked at Beck's words as being an important part of this "teachable moment." But how can't they be? If a black rapper calling a white president racist four years ago was a teachable moment, shouldn't a white talk show host calling a black president racist four years later be just as important a part of the discussion? If the answer isn't "Yes," we really ARE all cowards.
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The fact that the
August 2, 2009 - 13:19 ET by Chris NormanThe fact that the proposition of Beck being fired was even a topic is chilling. Two years from now, will there be calls for a conservative host to be fired because he said Obama ruined the economy?
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Remember - this is the press calling for it
August 2, 2009 - 15:54 ET by KC MulvilleThe people whose entire life support system is the first amendment are questioning whether someone should be fired for expressing his opinion.
The market is how the people express their opinion. The media shouldn't try to rig that. Leave the game alone.
Instead of saying the
August 2, 2009 - 15:34 ET by motherbeltInstead of saying the President is a racist, Beck should have just pointed out that he (Obama) refuses to acknowledge his Caucasian half...he terms himself "black."
How is that not racist?
He is black because "that is how he has named himself" according to his sister.
I'm not looking it up now, but if anyone challenges this, I will take the time and find the quote.
SHOW ME YOUR FRIENDS...
August 3, 2009 - 06:24 ET by danybhoyA couple of things...
Kurtz could have talked to Beck himself, it's not like they did'nt know each other when Beck worked at CNN. Go to the source next time, Howard.
If Kurtz had talked to Beck himself, (at the risk of speaking for Beck) he would have said what he has always said, "Show me your friends & I'll show you your future". In other words, you are who you roll with. Beck may be a "Rodeo Clown", but he is right.
Here is Obama as I see him, he is a man who has grown up with marxists/socialists/black nationalists ALL OF HIS LIFE. For those who point to his 20 years at Trinity United Church, I'll tell you that those 20 years did'nt shape his world view. It only reaffirmed WHAT HE ALREADY BELIEVED. Rev.Wright's words meant something to him, & they still do. The Gates incident is just another in a long line of clues of what he thinks & how he sees things. I believe as dumb as many Americans are, they are catching on to who & what Obama is. Even large parts of the MSM won't be willing or able to defend him. Hopefully sooner rather then later.
"It's still "We the people", right?" megadeth
Yeah, Beck may very well
August 2, 2009 - 16:38 ET by d1carterYeah, Beck may very well be right....
BRAVO!...Right on target,
August 2, 2009 - 13:23 ET by the strugglerBRAVO!...Right on target, Noel
I guess its not fun..
August 2, 2009 - 13:25 ET by HeavyChevywhen the racist are called racist...oh well.
Yep
August 2, 2009 - 13:33 ET by 10ksnookerCall 'em as you see 'em.
Obama is a racist, and harbors deep resentment for whites. And so does his wife. He learned well in rev Wright's church.
Obama has two choices with the economy, he is either evil or stupid, or both.
Pot calling Kettle. What
August 2, 2009 - 13:31 ET by bigtimerPot calling Kettle.
What hypocrisy...and yes jealousy these down in the dumper networks have.
They never learn, but love to try to perpetuate the race issue when it fits their golden agenda.
Sickening, tiring, and actually now, boring to me...I've had my fill of the constant biased leftist lemming talking heads harping.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
i think both incidents are
August 2, 2009 - 13:32 ET by cathartic1i think both incidents are a bit pig-headed, but i think there's a crucial difference: kanye is not on the nbc payroll. he was a guest. [that's not a defense of what he said, by the way]. who was going to fire him from being a guest?
beck is not a guest on fnc. he's on the payroll. he's a representative in some manner, be it for his own show or the company that pays him.
So cat1... Are you saying
August 2, 2009 - 13:39 ET by bigtimerSo cat1...
Are you saying Beck should be fired for expressing his own opinion?
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
nope. not fired. but i think
August 2, 2009 - 13:52 ET by cathartic1nope. not fired. but i think something should happen. i mean, look at what happened when schuster said that chelsea clinton had been pimped out...
cat1.... What do you
August 2, 2009 - 14:17 ET by bigtimercat1....
What do you think should happen and precisely why?
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Yea cat1, what should happen
August 2, 2009 - 14:22 ET by general companyConsidering Beck is probably right. Or do you have some examples of how Obama is color blind. BTW what should of happend to all of the loons that host shows who suggested the same of Bush/Palin and others on the Right,,,,every single day?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
hmm. let's see. proof that
August 2, 2009 - 14:50 ET by cathartic1hmm. let's see. proof that he's colorblind. hmmm. have you looked at who raised him? or what about his cabinet? or what about his half-brother? i'm not seeing a preference to any race just yet...
as for people who spoke against bush? the only person that comes to mind is olbermann. did he cross the line? i would argue yes. there are times when he chose his words carefully (probably due to lawyers), and there are times when he didn't. i don't have msnbc so i can't give specifics, but i'm sure you'll find some for me. i don't recall him calling bush racist, but if he did, then by all means, suspend away...
Yes I have seen his cabinet
August 2, 2009 - 15:01 ET by general companyThey are all for affirmative action, as well as his czars. Infact about the only one in the liberal party who isnt for aa is Robert Bird. And yea, I think discriminating aganst race make you a racist.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
cat1... For Pete's sake,
August 2, 2009 - 15:31 ET by bigtimercat1...
For Pete's sake, he threw his own grandmother under the bus...where the heck were you when he did this on television in a national speech that the msm just adored, or have you managed to conveniently forget that.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Well, he also threw Rev.
August 2, 2009 - 15:36 ET by motherbeltWell, he also threw Rev. Wright under, and he's black, so I guess Obama's an equal-opportunity thrower-under....
Yeah, and look at what
August 2, 2009 - 15:00 ET by Tom PaineYeah, and look at what happened to David Letterman after he made a rape joke about Sarah Palin's 14 year old daughter... Oh, wait, never mind...
cat1
August 2, 2009 - 13:50 ET by MrShyWhy are you completely missing the point of this post -- and well, of this whole site?
We're showing you, in stark detail with factual transcripts of both 2005/Katrina and this incident, how one public figure/celebrity (whether a musician, talking-head on a cable channel with an opinion show, you name it) was propped up as someone courageous and nobel for saying what he said, and then how another public figure -- in the reverse, for the current president -- is not only being vilified but calls are being made for his firing.
Let me know what you're not understanding here. Thanks.
oh no, i understand the
August 2, 2009 - 14:05 ET by cathartic1oh no, i understand the point. although i did read it a few times and i didn't see where cnn propped it up as noble... that was left to cnn's guests.
but my question still remains: what are you going to fire kanye from? he doesn't belong to a network. beck does.
cat1... oh no, you don't...
August 2, 2009 - 14:26 ET by MrShyoh no, i understand the point. although i did read it a few times and i didn't see where cnn propped it up as noble... that was left to cnn's guests.
Yes, CNN "left it to their guests". Go read it one more time, please, and tell me how many shows CNN did where they "left it to their guests" to prop up (or at the minimum, excuse) Kanye and his comments?
One other request, if I may. In these many shows of which Noel painstakingly researched and provided you with transcripts, tell me how many guests they had on who fully denounced Kanye's comment and, oh say, suggested people boycott his music?
but my question still remains: what are you going to fire kanye from? he doesn't belong to a network. beck does.
Why do you keep asking this pointless question? What does it matter what careers these two gentleman have with regards to this very glaring and obvious example of..... Liberal Media Bias?
I won't even go into the stark differences in the two comments by both celebrities, much less the real concerns that exist for ONE of the presidents (actually, wait, I did that below...)
well then, here is why i
August 2, 2009 - 14:28 ET by cathartic1well then, here is why i think that difference is important:
david shuster was suspended for his pimped out comment. i agreed with that.
don imus was fired over his nappy-headed ho comment. i disagreed with that: he should've been suspended.
o&a were suspended for tippy tom talking about raping condi rice. i agreed with that.
when media people say something stupid, they should be punished in some form. kanye's situation is a bit different in that he is not a paid media member; he's an entertainer. granted, he does represent a label... but it's his own label. so who is going to punish him? himself? that's why i think this is a bit of an odd comparison...
If Beck called Obama the "N
August 2, 2009 - 14:37 ET by Chris NormanIf Beck called Obama the "N word" or something simularly derogatory, I would agree with you. But punishing someone because they offer an opinion that someone is racist is beyond the pale. Because of his controversial writing and statements, many people accused Pat Buchanan of being anti-Semitic, yet it was Buchanan who went under the microscope - not those who accused him. So, using that as a model, shouldn't the topic have been: "Is Obama a 'Racist', as Beck accuses?".
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
well, lemme posit this
August 2, 2009 - 14:45 ET by cathartic1well, lemme posit this question: do you think there should be a line? a line not necessarily enforced by the gov't or by a company, but by the individual?
here's my thinking. obama's black. i think we all know that. and i think we all know that alone is enough to make the secret service sweat. now when you toss in that he's a "socialist", "communist", "terrorist", "terrorist-sympathisizer", "radical", a "non-citizen" who isn't eligble for the election and "hates this country" and wants to "destroy it", etc., and when you throw in "racist", haven't we crossed some line? aren't we afraid that we're inspiring some nutball to do something stupid?
now i'm not saying his race makes him immune to criticism, but shouldn't we at least temper that with better-chosen words? and shouldn't there be at least some price when we don't chose our words wisely?
thanks for showing us your true feelings, cath
August 2, 2009 - 15:00 ET by candanceTranslation: conservatives will probably try to assassinate Obama because they hate him
I never remember ANYONE worrying about Bush's safety, even when a fantasy assassination was filmed. I never remember ANYONE being scared that Clarence Thomas might be killed before he was permitted to sit on SCOTUS.
Then you couch it with "inspiring some nutball to do something stupid." Oh you mean like vandalizing buildings for a political agenda, setting housing developments on fire, shooting random citizens in DC? Oh wait, lefties have been doing all that stuff.
But whatever. Those redneck conservatives are going to call Obama a "socialist" one too many times, and some Tim McVeigh will do it because Rush Limbaugh told them to.
Now start acting innocent and get all offended because I'm putting words in your mouth and twisting things around. I know the game you people play and I'm sick of it. We are SICK AND TIRED of the subtle hints that we hate Obama so much we might kill him.
well, i'll tell you that
August 2, 2009 - 15:09 ET by cathartic1well, i'll tell you that your last paragraph pretty much sums it up. i'm not here to make a "left vs. right" issue out of all this, but i know that's how things always end up.
if it's any consolation, here's where part of that question comes from:
"With the election of the first African American president, public scrutiny has exploded. Presidents typically receive 3,000 threats a year, says a Secret Service expert. Obama is outpacing the average. "
link
another part of the game
August 2, 2009 - 15:16 ET by candanceAct all mature and nonpartisan and say that you're not here to "take sides" while all along, you defend nothing but lefty talking points.
You took that stat about Obama's death threats and applied it directly to conservatives calling him a socialist. YOU made that leap. Not me.
no, it's called being
August 2, 2009 - 15:22 ET by cathartic1no, it's called being careful. please point out where i specifically mentioned that it would be a conservative nutball?
now you can infer that i did so by picking comments that were said by people on the right - sure. but that's not my fault. can you point to anyone on the left of saying something similar? if you can, then i will tell you that they are just as equally wrong for doing so...
and now we start dancing a waltz
August 2, 2009 - 15:28 ET by candanceIf the issue is the fact that Obama is black (which is what your link said) then you need to cite examples of someone verbally attacking him for being black. You can't just say "they're scared because he's black" and then say "stop calling him a socialist."
Aside from that, some lefties do complain about Obama flip flopping, not living up to promises, seeking too much compromise, being too scattered, etc. Thousands of people in Israel - all of whom are certainly not Glenn Beck fans - marched in protest just last week because of Obama's policies. Are you going to imply that an angry Jew might kill him because of that?
well, that's just my
August 2, 2009 - 15:34 ET by cathartic1well, that's just my opinion, to be honest. but you know what, you could be right: it could be some crazed national from another country.
you just never know. and that's precisely my point: should we be adding to this unknown factor?
and, yes you're right about him flip-flopping, and there's plenty to be disagreed about on both sides. [i'm not telling you which ones 'cause that would give the game away...] but what's the smartest and safest way to do that?
I'm sorry carth, but that's crazy
August 2, 2009 - 15:40 ET by candanceWe can't all start censoring each other from talking about race, politics, and serious accusations because some nutjob might go crazy. The DC sniper didn't act that way because of any political pundit. Tim McVeigh didn't blow up that building because of something Rush Limbaugh said on air. It just doesn't happen that way. It's a red herring the left tosses around to justify censorship. Nothing more.
If Beck tells someone to go shoot him, then you have a case. Until then, it's overeacting.
you just never know. and
August 2, 2009 - 15:45 ET by motherbeltyou just never know. and that's precisely my point: should we be adding to this unknown factor?
So is all criticism of President Obama off-limits? After all, any criticism of him might inflame some right-wing, racist nutball.
Were you here or anywhere for that matter standing up for President Bush when he was being called a Nazi and likened to Hitler?
I don't think saying the President is racist is worse than the things that Keith Olbermann said about George Bush on a regular basis, and no one's yelling for Keith's head.
but that's the thing: i
August 2, 2009 - 16:03 ET by cathartic1but that's the thing: i don't think his race should make him immune to criticize him. nor is self-censorship the answer. he can and should be criticized when he is wrong, but i think there should be sense of responsibility when doing do. i think we should avoid these polarizing terms like "racist" and that he's a "terrorist-sympathizer" who hates this country.
people like you have been bringing up a good point about olbermann, but i think it ties into the problem that we are having in the public discourse: "well it happened to bush!" so does that automatically mean that, by default, everything that was said about bush now applies to obama? did people on the left call bush hitler? yes. was it wrong? yes. but now people have already called obama hitler because of what happened to bush.
so at what point will this end? are we just going to keep doing this each and every election?
but now people have
August 2, 2009 - 17:59 ET by motherbeltbut now people have already called obama hitler because of what happened to bush.
Uh, no....that's "person" not "people." Unless you've got another dozen examples of Obama being called Hitler, that ain't gonna fly.
Keith Olbermann alone called President Bush brain-addled, a war profiteer, a murderous deceiver, a war criminal, and accused him of running an admininstration that was a criminal enterprise. And Olbermann did this on a regular basis.
Is "racist" worse than all that?
Regarding the "that doesn't make it OK" argument, I'm only pointing out the difference in reponses to the vitriol aimed at the two Presidents. Olbermann routinely got away with it and Beck gets nailed for one outburst.
Actually, I would respect you if you said Glenn Beck should be fired, and so should Keith Olbermann. At least that would be consistent.
okay, well there's at least
August 2, 2009 - 18:12 ET by cathartic1okay, well there's at least one other. it was on the daily show during that whole incident with the cnn reporter getting caught up in some business. if you want it, i can try to find it. but then what would we have? an argument that there's an acceptable limit to calling the president hitler?
as for olbermann, if you've been going through the millions of posts, i've tried to show some fairness: he's just as wrong, and the penalty should apply. other people have made "inflammatory" statements and were punished....
bam
August 2, 2009 - 18:22 ET by cathartic1bam
"he's just as
August 2, 2009 - 20:13 ET by MrShy"he's just as wrong..."
Cat1, do you ever watch his shows, like even semi-regularly? He's disgusting and utterly abhorrent to anyone with a brain cell and a barely-beating heart. Seriously. Every -- single -- episode is lined up with 4, 5, 6 GOP smears and lies, even now. When Bush was in office, he was RELENTLESSLY looking under every tiny pebble for anything to nail BushCheneyHalliburton on, DAILY. And he did it in such a grotesquely righteous, sneering, boiling-with-anger way.
No one is on his level. No one.
Cx2
August 2, 2009 - 15:26 ET by MrShyIt links you to the Washington Post. I scanned through it, and only came up with this "slam dunk":
residents typically receive 3,000 threats a year, says a Secret Service expert. Obama is outpacing the average.
Obama is reportedly "outpacing the average". By how much, you ask? WaPo doesn't say. Is there any research resource they point to? No, WaPo does not refer to anything.
WaPo is putting us on red alert. Obama is "outpacing" the "average".
That doesn't mean more are coming in that Bush, even. More (and how many more than that 3,000? I will have to begin my guess, thanks to WaPo's WEAK-*SS argument here, that it may be about 3,001 ??) than.... the "average".
I will go and do some research, but I'll betcha' Bush had more -- way more, even -- and Bush was, what, the 43rd WHITE president, no less, not the first.
by all means. although bush
August 2, 2009 - 15:29 ET by cathartic1by all means. although bush was president longer. and he did come in on a highly contested election, which may lead to a high propensity in the beginning. do you think you'll be able to get to the reason behind the attempts?
translation:
August 2, 2009 - 15:34 ET by candanceLibs hated Bush because of political differences.
Conservies hate Obama because he's black.
No - there should be no
August 2, 2009 - 15:04 ET by Chris NormanNo - there should be no "line" in the expression of an opinion of a political figure on opinion shows - as long as it's not merely offered up as way to personally demean and offend - like calling someone a "whore" or the "N word". Calling someone a racist isn't just calling someone names if it's a serious charge, backed up with evidence - even if others reject that evidence. Aren't network opinion shows supposed to have opinions? By the way, I don't think Shuster should have been punished for the "pimping out" comment. It's a phrase that has unfortunately become too common in political discussions. His mistake was to apply it to a situation involving the daughter of a Democrat presidential candidate. By the way, I will be so bold as to assume if he had used that phrase against the Palins, it would have sailed by just fine.
exactly, chris
August 2, 2009 - 15:06 ET by candanceShuster got suspended for embarrassing a Democrat, plain and simple.
It was okay for the media to call Sarah Palin a caribou barbie, trailer park trash, crazy Pentecostal zealot, bad mother, uneducated redneck, you name it.
But call Obama a socialist and you're sending subliminal messages for someone to shoot him.
and i would agree. although
August 2, 2009 - 15:16 ET by cathartic1and i would agree. although i think the problem with opinion shows on both sides is that they have a habit of picking their own facts, and ignoring the others that contradict their claims.
as for shuster, i think either way, he would've gotten $%&#. if it weren't the clintons but the palins, ya, he would've gotten some heat.
cat1
August 2, 2009 - 15:35 ET by MrShy"picking their own facts, and ignoring the others that contradict their claims."
So where was Beck "picking his own facts" when he decided enough already, and he will call it as he sees it based on a lot of FACTS? Where is he fabricating/picking his "own" evidence that very much points to Obama having issues with whites, and with race in general?
Must we all be a broken record with our facts and evidence, that's not "picked" by us but is.... out there??
Then, present to us -- and to Beck -- the "others [facts] that contradict" our and his claims.
i believe the co-host was
August 2, 2009 - 15:43 ET by cathartic1i believe the co-host was doing so. by pointing out that obama was raised by white people. that there's plenty of white people in his cabinet. y'know, those kinds of facts.
right....
August 2, 2009 - 15:47 ET by candanceSo who exactly was Condi Rice, again? And what exactly was she called for working for Bush? And what lefty group approached her in Congress with "blood" on their hands? And where were the calls for her to be protected?
Here's a little clue I picked up from the left: a racist can have other colors working with them, in their family, even married to someone of another color, and still be racist. See Juan Williams being a happy negro. That's really not much of a defense.
and i've never said or
August 2, 2009 - 15:51 ET by cathartic1and i've never said or indicated anything that says that whites (or indians, or muslims, or chinese people, or eskimos) are any better or any less racist than anyone else. if... that's what you're saying? actually, i don't know what you're saying. something about code pink? or something about liberals being racist?
the dance continues
August 2, 2009 - 15:55 ET by candanceYour assertion is that since he hired white people to work for him then obviously he doesn't see white people differently.
I am replying that Condi Rice and Colin Powell never saved Bush from being called a racist.
Therefore, that defense is no good.
And no one ever felt sorry for the hatred spewed at Rice or ever worried for her safety.
Looks like some black people are more equal than others.
correct me if i'm wrong, but
August 2, 2009 - 16:07 ET by cathartic1correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't katrina the only time that bush was called racist?
cat1
August 2, 2009 - 16:55 ET by MrShyUh, no. You are wrong.
Bush has been called everything under the sun, and multiple times. It's no big deal to you, we understand, but he has. His treatment by both the media and the people was truly unprecedented.
My only conclusion? The man actually stood for something(s) and actually made some serious and tough decisions and stuck with them (that's called integrity). He actually DID things.
There's a saying, cat1. To avoid criticism, do nothing, say nothing, be nothing.
Well, Obama does two of those three things. He pretty much does all three, unless race comes up, for the most part, then he says something really dumb.
okay, so bush was called
August 2, 2009 - 18:08 ET by cathartic1okay, so bush was called everything under the sun. in 8 years time.
obama is close to having the same thing in under 1 year's time. and for what? passing huge amounts of spending? creating huge deficits? sure, those are all bad things. but he hasn't exactly done nothing. i would imagine you would agree with virtually nothing he has done (closing gitmo, stimulus pakage), but you seem to be saying that it's okay to vilify someone for the sake of vengeance. or am i misreading this whole thing?
but you seem to be saying
August 2, 2009 - 19:46 ET by MrShybut you seem to be saying that it's okay to vilify someone for the sake of vengeance. or am i misreading this whole thing?
No, you got me there. It's okay to vilify someone for the sake of vengeance, yes, that's essentially what I'm saying.
We warned all of you leftist loons (you're not a "loon") that the unrelenting 8 years of vitriol and tar/feather flying will not go unchecked.
Payback's a b*tch.
But with that concession said, still, absolutely not, Obama is no where NEAR close to having the same thing in his under-1 year tenure. Was that a joke? We're talking, wall-to-wall vilifying/demonizing of Bush from EVERY direction. The left, the far left even more, the media and "news", Hollywood, TV, both coasts (NY & CA) sending out lies and propaganda up the wazzoo that damaged him -- and this fine country -- both here AND abroad.
Again, like I stated before, there was never anything like it before him, and there won't be anything since... and no, Obama is God except to pockets of very concerned conservatives like those at this site, a few prominent talking heads (only a few), and one major media outlet does NOT kiss his *ass... that being Fox News.
candance
August 2, 2009 - 16:45 ET by MrShyYou need to understand, physically attacking Condi Rice with red paint on your hands, or taking off your shoes and throwing both of them with all your might at George Bush's head are all acts that we should not just rush to dismiss as deplorable acts on public servents. These are acts by concerned citizens who are venting their concerns.
What? You called Obama a racist? Why - I - oughta.....
Ah, the old "I have plenty
August 2, 2009 - 15:47 ET by Free StinkerAh, the old "I have plenty of white/black/hispanic/native american/oriental friends" alibi . . .
cat1
August 2, 2009 - 16:20 ET by MrShyMrShy
FACTS, to back up Obama having an issue with whites:
- Obama had a "mentor" and "father figure" pastor for over 20 years who was outed for being a complete angry racist toward whites. He initially DEFENDED this pastor and gave us a nonsense speech about race and "dialogue", etc.. He only publicly quasi-denounced Wright and threw him under the bus after he became too much of an embarrassment during his campaign.
- Obama called his grandmother a "typical white woman" (or "person" -- forgetting :p) and had to bother telling us a story about how she got nervous at night when she walked by a group of black people. (That's called REALITY of a situation...)
- Obama accused the white cop of being stupid for arresting a disorderly person who happened to be black. Obama did not have any of the facts in this situation, and admitted as much.
- Obama, along with his wife, have made troubling remarks about race and about white people, both in speeches and in books/memoirs.
- Obama, in a campaign speech, played the race card and warned his followers about his uphill battle... that the enemy will say things like, "oh, and did I mention he's black?"
cathartic1
FACTS, to back up Obama being just fine with whites or any color, and being truly color-blind:
- Obama was raised by white people. (By a grandmother, who in his quest to become president he shamelessly insulted, to appeal to his black and white-guilt white constituents.)
- Obama has white people in his cabinet.
Free, do you have a score? :)
Scorecard
August 2, 2009 - 16:36 ET by Free StinkerShy, Dave, and C (among others): 1
cathar-troll: 0
wow. my clock has been
August 2, 2009 - 16:39 ET by cathartic1wow. my clock has been cleaned and i see the light!!!
there are, of course, some issues with your "facts".
1) okay, so you have his preacher. i'm sure we've all seen the youtube videos on repeat last year. and there was that one speech at some press event later where he acted a wee bit nutty. what about the rest of his 20 year career? and what about all the rest of the people in that church? should we shut it down? are all the attendants racists as well? you are correct that obama ditched him for politcal expediancy, but it doesn't prove that obama is a racist.
2) gramma. again. so according to him, she crossed the street years ago when he was a kid. therefore, obama is a racist who must also... hate... black people? yes, he threw her under the bus, but in all honesty, i think the situation depicted can be one many people can relate to. for example, i can. does that make me a racist? i guess so....
3) the white cop. again, to be correct, he didn't call the cop or the department "stupid". he called the actions stupid. big difference. also note that you strip away the context of the situation in that obama is defending a friend, and even in his answer, stated his own bias. does that make what he said acceptable? no. but i don't think it shows that he hates white people.
4) playing the race card. hmm. okay, that's a tough one, but also note that this was in the campaign. he was saying something that he thought would happen to endear himself to the audience (who, by the way laughed; i'm not sure if anyone at the event booed). he was incorrect and he was wrong for saying it. does it make him racist? you got me on that one.
but in all honesty, what would you expect? one thing i'm trying to do is determine if we can really elect someone who is a racist. i think there are problems with race on both sides absolutely, and i think you know you're gonna have an uphill fight on this one...
(yawn)
August 2, 2009 - 16:40 ET by Free Stinker(yawn)
cat1
August 2, 2009 - 19:47 ET by MrShyWith the exception of #3, you're spinning like a spinning top.... like The Spinners. You're Spin City, baby! :p
Yes, in the fuller context of his reaction at the time of the incident, it was more stupidity than siding with a race, but it's still nothing any right-minded PRESIDENT (we're not talking just "some guy" -- although, sadly, we seem to be with THIS guy) would even touch... to say something like that. To say, really, anything other than "I have no comment" or "I don't have all the facts", period, illustrates an amazing lack of sensibility, judgement, "nuance", you name it.
And I say this regardless of the fact that he DID know this creep, Gates. Oh, and apparently you're fine with Obama -- yet again -- being chummy with another race hustling idiot.
→ Even #3
August 2, 2009 - 20:13 ET by Cool Arrow"Stupidly", regardless of its use with relation to the police, is a direct indictment of the Officer's state of mind.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
By the way, I will be so
August 2, 2009 - 15:49 ET by motherbeltBy the way, I will be so bold as to assume if he had used that phrase against the Palins, it would have sailed by just fine.
Damn Skippy!!
David Letterman, call your office!!
What would you call it?
August 2, 2009 - 15:03 ET by general companyhere's my thinking. obama's black. i think we all know that. and i
think we all know that alone is enough to make the secret service
sweat. now when you toss in that he's a "socialist", "communist",
"terrorist", "terrorist-sympathisizer", "radical", a "non-citizen" who
isn't eligble for the election and "hates this country" and wants to
"destroy it", etc., and when you throw in "racist", haven't we crossed some line? aren't we afraid that we're inspiring some nutball to do something stupid?
So what would you call him, or are you suggesting none of this is true?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
i would call him
August 2, 2009 - 15:26 ET by cathartic1i would call him "president". just like the last guy. (please refrain from laughing...) do i agree with either one 100%? nope. but i do think we should be careful in regards to criticisms on either side.
for example, someone brought up the movie wherein bush got assassinated. irresponsible? yup. did a line a get crossed? yep. should there have been a ban on that film? well, i want to say it was made in england, so i don't know if they have the same rules as we do... but i do think the producers should've thought better rather than capitilize on the shock-value....
Alright dude
August 2, 2009 - 16:59 ET by general companyTodays headlines where should we start?
How about broke promises
From a fellow sympathizer
Wonderful policy?
His new friends?
Have to admit, he sure knows when to keep his mouth shut
NOT!!
Like Hugo
And aminutjob
Oh and how about leftist Racist?
And dont excuse him of Race Baiting
And the elitist?
Terrorist Sympathizer? naw
But they are going to save us Right?
Right?
None of this bothers you?
Think it going to get better?
How can it, when they dont even know where it went
I could go on
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
okay, so you have a lot of
August 2, 2009 - 17:06 ET by cathartic1okay, so you have a lot of links, but i don't think it quite shows what you want it to. it is interesting to note that plenty of them come from the dreaded "liberal media" that loves obama so much.
but what's the point of all this? two links are about legislation which has not been passed - so the rich are okay for now. now you could argue that that is redistributionist, but it's all hypothetical at the moment. my question is: if healthcare is causing a strain on the economy, how do you fix it, and how do you pay for it? or do we let it just stay?
there are links about ousted presidents down south... not sure what that's about? and closing radio stations? what does that have to do with our prez? that he wasn't harsh enough to him? would that make the situation any better?
another link towards iran. i take it the point is that he wasn't harsh enough with iran either, right? but even still, with the lightweight response, iran still demanded an apology for meddling, right? so even with the "wrong response" to the whole situation, it still caused a problem. so i don't think that that really proves anything...
and a link about building a new prison for terrorists, which i suppose is to make him a terrorist-sympathizer per your link. another divisive issue, but we've been housing terrorist for years, including the guy who bombed the world trace center back in... '92? and the blind sheik? considering that the last administration was looking into closing gitmo, i don't think the current admin is now all cute 'n' cuddly with these people.
so again, you have a lot of links, but i don't see much to say he's a racist, a terrorist, or whatever. and i'm sure that this makes me blind or naive or both, and you could be right; but i could argue the exact same about people who believe these things.
Wow,
August 2, 2009 - 17:24 ET by general companyNot concerned in the least? Have you read any of the cap and tax bill? How about the health care bill? Do you know what liberties are at stake? Do you know what it cost? Do you know the what the results are going to be? Do you care? Or are you another none contributor here to tell us to suck it up,,,,, you need new shoes?
Look if you are not going to answer any question, then dont bother replying, not interested.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
gc... Excellent
August 2, 2009 - 17:37 ET by bigtimergc...
Excellent links/work you have in your post above.
cat1 will keep trolling along though...any old excuse or spin works for them, they just eat the links.
Get's aggravating....to say the least.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Yea well,
August 2, 2009 - 18:00 ET by general companyGotta hand it to the brownshirts, they are commited.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
cat1... Seems funny the
August 2, 2009 - 15:07 ET by bigtimercat1...
Seems funny the majority of left leaning people that come here, never capitalize when need be.
Reminds me of all the leftist sites like Dkos etc.. all seem to be from the same school, mind-set, you usually can spot it out right off the bat.
Especially so precious when they try to tell us how to pick and chose our words carefully...or we are all in big trouble.
I'm getting tired of it myself.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
bt, Y'all be carefull. I just ran a track on this clown. PLANT!
August 2, 2009 - 15:46 ET by R D Helm-Dave
Oh course he is. OSHT
August 2, 2009 - 15:52 ET by Free StinkerOh course he is.
OSHT (Obama's SHock Troops) are out in force trying to distract us from Obama's low poll numbers, the failure of his signature initiativem (healthcare takeover), and his general inability to speak in public without TOTUS.
a plant?
August 2, 2009 - 15:53 ET by cathartic1a plant?
Dave... LOL...I know he's
August 2, 2009 - 15:59 ET by bigtimerDave...
LOL...I know he's a troll, that's why I've been saying what I have from the beginning here and there in this thread.
Fun, fun, fun...at least amusing for a lazy Sunday afternoon in my neck of the woods.
How about you?
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
bt,
August 2, 2009 - 16:22 ET by R D HelmLOL-Yeah, I'zz juzz tryin' to start something.
Waiting on the charcoal.....
Doing hickory-smoked BBQ pork chops, tater salad and fresh green beans.
Mmm. :-)
-Dave
Dave... LOL...that
August 2, 2009 - 16:26 ET by bigtimerDave...
LOL...that reminds me of the segment on Hee Haw....What's for dinner?
MMMmmmm good!
Love to chow down on some of your vittles this evening...do sound good.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
bt,
August 2, 2009 - 16:33 ET by R D HelmLOL-That was exactly what I was thinking about when I typed it.
What's fer dinner, Grampa?
BTW, I wonder what hickory-smoked troll BBQ'd in molasses would taste like?
-Dave
Dave... I don't
August 2, 2009 - 16:42 ET by bigtimerDave...
I don't know...I've been simmering speghetti sauce all day for dinner, wonder how a troll slowly simmered all day in that pot would taste?
Nah...not going to waste a fine meal that way. ;-)
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
bt,
August 2, 2009 - 16:49 ET by R D HelmI have it on good authority (my cousin Bubba) that they taste a lot like chicken.
LOL-Sheesh, I hope one of my neighbors doesn't call the fire department. You should see the column of smoke rising out of the backyard.
It will probably show up on Google Earth and Chinese spy satellites. :-)
-Dave
Dave... Hey, careful with
August 2, 2009 - 16:58 ET by bigtimerDave...
Hey, careful with that smoke tracking....it won't be long before the EPA Czar Browner starts issuing orders against outdoor smoke of any kind.
Citizen's Arrest! Citizen's Arrest!
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
bt,
August 2, 2009 - 17:03 ET by R D HelmLOL-Yeah, Barney Fife is about her speed, too.
If they want to get me, they best send a whole bunch of 'em. :-)
-Dave
Oh you won't be alone by
August 2, 2009 - 17:06 ET by bigtimerOh you won't be alone by any means...but I do fear this is where we are heading when it comes to the leftists being in charge and their agenda.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
bt,
August 2, 2009 - 17:13 ET by R D HelmHell, I'll give up my pair of Weber Rapidfire chimney starters when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers.
:-)
LOL-And if they screw with me too much, I'll go back to using starter fluid.
-Dave
From your cold dead hands
August 2, 2009 - 17:25 ET by bigtimerFrom your cold dead hands indeed!
That's funny....even though I know you mean it.
We have so many yellow jackets in the area this year, I am not BBQ outside for the first time in many years.
I have only seen it this bad twice, and one of the years was way back when I was a waitress on the Flathead lake, you'd take platters of steak to people on the balcony, and the yellow jackets would descend in on them in huge numbers.
Nobody left though...and I kept on truckin'. ;-)
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Yellow Jackets due to
August 2, 2009 - 17:28 ET by DelsaGlobal Warming. lol
"here's my thinking.
August 2, 2009 - 20:31 ET by ckc1227"here's my thinking. obama's black. i think we all know that."
Funny, I thought he was half black.
"now i'm not saying his race makes him immune to criticism, but shouldn't we at least temper that with better-chosen words?"
Well, what should we call a radical, socialist/marxist, terrorist sympathizer?
"shouldn't there be at least some price when we don't chose our words wisely?"
Sounds like a job for a newly created czar.
Clearly the concept of freedom escapes you. I'm not surprised.
I wouldn't even agree if
August 2, 2009 - 17:50 ET by MazziI wouldn't even agree if Beck used a racial slur. In most cases of hosts making immflamatory comments, it is the PUBLIC who cries for their censure. In this case, it is another talking head.
The networks have to decide from a business point if the comments made by the offensive host are a problem or not, and make their decision based on that. It rarely has anything to do with ACTUAL offense by the power-that-be, but instead is based on the voices of the people who pay the bills (the viewers).
So, no. And H-E-double hockeystick NO. Beck should not be fired no matter what he says, so long as it is not illegal or against some contractual standard - UNLESS the management feels that his public is unhappy.
How hard is that to understand? The same is true for Rush and Letterman and even Oblerwhiner. WE have the right to demand that any of them be fired. Whether the network listens or not is up to them. Whether we continue to watch or not is up to us.
"I would rather be historically accurate than politically correct" ~ My husband's T-Shirt
cat1
August 2, 2009 - 14:50 ET by MrShyHow A) dumb are you? or, if you're not dumb, and no, I don't think you are, B) intellectually dishonest are you stubbornly trying to be with this whole matter?
Beck never SAID anything deplorable, offensive or racist ABOUT/TOWARD Obama. He simply is putting out there -- and for very plausible and valid reasons which we here constantly make available to you -- that Obama might very will be a racist.
Arg.
Beck did not say something stupid. He said something based on a lot of facts we now have about this president.
Kanye, btw, IS a paid member of the media. NEWS media? No. Is Beck? Also, no. Do what Kanye and Beck say both hold sway with their listeners/watchers when they publicly make comments? You bet. What Kanye said was also on a huge, nationally-televised stage at the time.
Please, it's in the NB tagline. We are about not just news media, but mainstream MEDIA being liberally biased as a whole and dangerously shaping how this country looks at politics and issues. This CNN example is one of them, and a strong one at that. And, apparently, one that's not obvious only to someone who has partisan blinders on, like yourself.
Lastly, see what someone else just pointed out above:
BTW what should of happend to all of the loons that host shows who suggested the same of Bush/Palin and others on the Right...every single day?
Well, cat1? Where's your defense for all of that? Olbermann, Matthews, et al, are disgusting on almost a nightly basis either calling out Bush (in the past) or GOP'ers now with a whole host of "stupid" accusations. What should their punishment be?
here is a direct
August 2, 2009 - 15:01 ET by cathartic1here is a direct quote:
Beck: This president has exposed himself as a guy, over and over and over again, who has a deep-seated hatred for white people, or the white culture, I don't know what it is.
that does not say that he thinks or that he feels that the president may have issues with race. he is literally saying that president has a hatred for white-people. that's his opinion - fine. should people have a problem with it? sure, just like people here didn't have a lot of respect for kanye.
as for question, i answered that above. i don't have msnbc, but the same should apply to olbermann as well.
hmm well let's see
August 2, 2009 - 15:12 ET by candanceMy grandmother is a typical white person...
I don't know what happened, but that cop acted stupidly...
Affirmative action hasn't gone far enough.....
Quote from Obama's memoir: That's just how white folks will do you.
Beck certainly has enough material to make his case.
"...should people have a
August 2, 2009 - 15:23 ET by Chris Norman"...should people have a problem with it? sure"
But you originally said there should be some kind of punishment for Beck - like being suspended. Are you saying if some people have problems with a TV commentators opinions, the commentator should be punished? What about the idea if you don't like someone's opinions you can switch the channel or even organize a boycott - if you feel that strongly about it. Or are you just talking about conservative commentators - with Olbermann and the fact you don't have MSNBC thrown in there to make yourself look even-handed? Under your standards, would there be any show left on television? It sounds suspiciously like you don't approve of free speech, when it involves criticism of Obama.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
well maybe i'm too much of
August 2, 2009 - 15:41 ET by cathartic1well maybe i'm too much of an idealist...
but to your points, couldn't the exact same argument be made about olbermann? i will grant you that absolutely no one would go that far to defend him.
it's not that i have a problems with free speech or with criticising any president, republican or democratic. i keep thinking about that whole notion of yelling "fire" in a crowded theater: there is a point when there is a public interest that needs to be protected. at what point are you engaging in slander?
honestly, i don't think you can really say what you want anymore, at least not without consequences. for example, if i were to say "jesus is gay", you better believe there will be consequences. not from the government per the 1st amendment, but by individuals. (and seriously, that's just an example, please don't lose your mind - see, even by typing it there are consequences...)
cat1 - it's odd that you have so little intellectual
August 2, 2009 - 15:26 ET by BO STINKScuriosity. If I heard someone say that about the leader of a country, I would certainly investigate matters. Find out the basis on which Beck is making his presumptions. But, sure as there is a heaven and a hell, you will not do that.
Your lack of curiosity indicates not only a lack of honesty, but also a lack of intelligence.
"The preservation of the sacred faith of liberty & the destiny of the republican model of gov't. are justly considered deeply...finally, staked on the experiment entrusted to the American people."G. Washington's 1st inaugural address
well, i don't know about
August 2, 2009 - 15:48 ET by cathartic1well, i don't know about that. there's a theory that 9/11 was an inside job by the bush admin. i've never investigated that. and odds are, i'm not going to. why? because it's effing crazy, that's why.
so when people say that this prez has a deep seated hatred for white people, and then i look at his cabinet standing behind him (for example), how much digging am i really going to do? trust me, they are bigger issues....
cat1 - I doubt you complimented Bush for his diverse cabinet.
August 2, 2009 - 16:00 ET by BO STINKSI agree with some others, your second para. sound suspiciously like "i have friends who are _______."
Haven't you read BO's two ghost written books? Aren't you a good little 'bot? That's all one has to do, read his own output. That is more than enough.
Of course it wouldn't hurt for you to look at his behavior as well as his words. There is PLENTY of evidence for his racism in this very website. But I am also beginning to believe you are a plant from a commie organization. I am going to go out on a limb and say you are probably with ACORN.
well you're right on a few
August 2, 2009 - 16:14 ET by cathartic1well you're right on a few things (i haven't read his books, and i honestly don't have an interest and it does sound like "i know black people"). but even still, does that make it irrelevant?
and you're horribly, horribly wrong on that last part. sorry. no acorn, no commie organization.
"no commie
August 2, 2009 - 20:22 ET by ckc1227"no commie organization."
Aren't you a democrat?
One tiny problem....Kanye
August 2, 2009 - 20:20 ET by ckc1227One tiny problem....Kanye didn't exactly have anything to back it up, did he? Kanye's reasoning is limited to the fact that black people suffered during a natural disaster. Obama actually has a history of racist behavior. Oh wait, I know....he's only ACTING racist, lol.
Again, we don't live in a vacuum. Just because two different people call someone racist doesn't mean both are right, or if one is wrong, then other one has to be wrong too. I know you guys believe in moral equivalence and all, but geez.
cat1.2
August 2, 2009 - 14:29 ET by MrShyAnd now, I will diverge just a bit, because it's so frustrating to me how you can be so blind, and so apologetic for both the MSM and this president.
THINGS OUR LAST 2 PRESIDENTS HAVE DONE OR SAID TO RAISE RED FLAGS ABOUT THEIR POSSIBLE RACISM:
Obama --
Bush --
i'm blind? then let me do
August 2, 2009 - 14:33 ET by cathartic1i'm blind? then let me do some correcting:
1) he didn't call the cop or the department "stupid". he called their actions stupid. was his response stupid? sure, but the distinction is just as important.
2) his gramma. a "typical white person". hmm. okay, that one is harder to defend, although one could argue that the context is important, that is, she's just any person you would see on the street. ya, it sounds better without the "white" part in it.
3) the pastor thing. hoo boy. 20 years, huh? are you sure that that's all that happened there? just 20 years of rampant anti-americanism? non-stop? were you there for all 20 years?
as for bush... yeah, i would agree. nothing racist about him at all. i agree with the money that he sent to africa and aids research, i just hope it was well spent and not wasted on corruption. which makes kanye's comments even more stupid.
cat1
August 2, 2009 - 15:02 ET by MrShyThanks. That did not appear to be any sort of correction. To me and all here you admitted that, yeah, yer bein' kinda blind here with all of this.
To my points about Obama and our valid "concerns" about him, you either admitted that one was hard to defend, one might have been, well, "stupid", and the third... well, aw shucks, none of us were there so how can we know for SURE. Wright is a punk, there's no debating that. Correct? Did you not see how belligerently he acted and talked in his 15 minutes of fame follow-up appearances after it all broke? He also called Obama a traitor, of sorts. And yes, 20 years of going, what, every week, let's factor in? Think about how much was said, cat1. 52 weeks X 20. That's over 1,000 sermons, cat1.
But you want to give Obama the benefit of the doubt for the 1,000 or so times he went, sitting there for an hour or two, still, because, well, he always seems pretty honest and with a good amount of integrity. (/sarc)
Then, you agree that Bush never had anything that would implicate him as even remotely racist. And, if anything, actually CARED.
And you close with Kanye indeed saying something quite stupid. Deplorable, even, in many smart minds. Beck's, on the other hand, was far from that.
Regarding #3
August 2, 2009 - 15:18 ET by jdlybrandHoo boy. It would require the willing suspension of disbelief to think that in the twenty YEARS Obama attended that 'church', Rev. Wright only spewed anti-American and racist (US of KKK) comments ONE time; and that just HAPPENED to be the ONE Sunday Obama did not attend services? Do pigs fly where you Live? That was a stupidly submitted comment on your part.
"What a revoltin' development this is!"
Chester Riley
okay. then prove me
August 2, 2009 - 17:17 ET by cathartic1okay. then prove me wrong.
while you're doing that, i will find the photo of don rumsfeld and saddam hussein shaking hands that PROVES that they were in cahoots the whole time.
oh, and another thing: there
August 2, 2009 - 17:26 ET by cathartic1oh, and another thing: there was a cop fired for calling gates a jungle monkey. since he's been a cop for two years, it must therefore stand that all cops are racist right? how can you be a cop for two years with this racist and not be influenced?
"oh, and another thing:
August 2, 2009 - 20:03 ET by ckc1227"oh, and another thing: there was a cop fired for calling gates a jungle monkey.
since he's been a cop for two years, it must therefore stand that all
cops are racist right? how can you be a cop for two years with this
racist and not be influenced?"
Are you a moron or what? I'm being serious.
Indeed
August 2, 2009 - 20:14 ET by Free StinkerCath-a-troll must be a moron.
And watch, next time a bigot shows up at Newsbusters (remember Seejay, or seeno53 ?) cath-a-troll will be missing in action while the rest of us work to get the bigot banned.
ckc & Free
August 2, 2009 - 20:28 ET by MrShy"while you're doing that, i will find the photo of don rumsfeld and saddam hussein shaking hands that PROVES that they were in cahoots the whole time."
Skanky, old, cobweb-collected irrelevant leftist talking point clean-up on Aisle 4...
That's in, "4 cryin' out loud.... you're bringing up the Saddam-Rumsfeld handshake from decades ago?"
We were supplying Saddam with weapons you know!
August 2, 2009 - 20:31 ET by Free StinkerThey have a 25 year old pic of Saddam shaking hands with Rumsfeld, yet they can't seem to name a single weapons systems that Saddam Hussein's Iraq possessed.
It's great fun to bring that little tidbit up.
Liberal: "We were supplying Saddam with weapons you know!"
Me: "Name one weapons systems they got from us. Just one."
Liberal: "%$#! YOU XSSHXLE !!"
Free
August 2, 2009 - 20:37 ET by MrShyHaha....
Liberal: "%$#! YOU XSSHXLE !!"
Followed up, of course, with continued eloquence, like:
"You're living in your extreme right wing echo chamber and it's BULLS#%T. I'm a SMART M#THERF@!%R..."
(like what my cousin said to me moments before he unfriended me a second time on facebook :))
Don't mess with liberals! :p
He unfriended you
August 2, 2009 - 20:38 ET by Free StinkerHe unfriended you twice?
Two accounts, or re-friended then un-friended?
Free, same account...
August 2, 2009 - 20:46 ET by MrShyHe had anough during (or just after) the '08 elections, unfriended me... some months later asked to be friends again. Once again, a mild joke about Palin was too much for him after a brief debate. He "warned" me he'll do it again in an email. After a few days, maybe seeing my status's, he'd had enough... he unfriended me again.
He likes to be tolerant and embrace all points of view, naturally. :)
EDIT: his private email warning actually came after I just broached him on Sotomayer and some article about "white men", so more a thing about the culture of reverse racism.... THAT seemed to really put him over the edge. :p I also sent this to him since HE first snarked about how I probably react to "wise latina", or something...
Sorry to hear that.
August 2, 2009 - 20:54 ET by Free StinkerSorry to hear that.
i was making a sarcastic
August 2, 2009 - 21:37 ET by cathartic1i was making a sarcastic point about guilt by association on both of those points. they were ridiculous on purpose...
Oooh, you is so smart.
August 2, 2009 - 23:02 ET by bretzysdudeOooh, you is so smart.
Meanwhile, back at Fox News, Beck is chorteling...
August 2, 2009 - 13:35 ET by wnaegele...over his 120% jump in the last ratings report. Break out the lederhosen!
wna... Bingo! Doubling
August 2, 2009 - 13:40 ET by bigtimerwna...
Bingo!
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Go Glenn!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 2, 2009 - 15:24 ET by Andrew H.Go Glenn!!!!!!!!!!!!! He's right.
Obama has a race issue he made all by himself.
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
For God's sake
August 2, 2009 - 13:35 ET by jdlybrandWhy don't they just do away with the word part of the definition of a racist in the dictionary and put a picture of a white guy in it's place? Not sure how much more of this crap I can take. That damn vein is sticking out on my forehead again.
"What a revoltin' development this is!"
Chester Riley
Don't forget
August 2, 2009 - 13:36 ET by StarAZ1) Every time "race" gets into something, Obama is somehow involved or consulted or is somehow in the middle.
2) He was raised by a "typical white person." That wasn't a very nice way to label his doting grandmother.
3) His wife's senior thesis was about how whites treat African-Americans or something along those lines.
4) Many people voted for him because of he is bi-racial.
.
don't forget New Hampshire, either
August 2, 2009 - 20:05 ET by RayRayObama and Hillary were tied in the primaries, and even lots of blacks were supporting Hillary. But after Obama's loss in NH, black radicals fanned out across every tv discussion show to say that the whites were "racist", and that was supposedly why Obama lost there - although the previous polls had show him tied with Hillary in NH.
The result: once the Obama gang had openly portrayed themselves as the victim of whitey, mostly all blacks (and white reverse-racists) lined up behind Obama, and he then owned the nomination.
The spinoff of ultra-irony followed: in a rare moment of truth-telling, Bill Clinton said that blacks will vote for their fellow black. For that, he was called a "racist", while blacks were indeed now voting >95% for the brutha.
In one of Jesse Jackson's rare moments of truth-telling many years previous, he'd said that he gets alarmed when being followed on the street in DC by young black males, for fear of crime. None of the media referred to that when Obama back-stabbed the grandma who raised him, because she felt (very reasonably) the same way that Jesse did.
Wipe Your Chin Kurtz!!!
August 2, 2009 - 13:36 ET by flyingmonkeyObama talked disparagingly about white people in his book, he called his own grandmother a typical white person and he attended a racist church for over 20 years calling his pastor a father figure. What does Kurtz need, Somebody to hit him in the head with a hammer?
Political correctness should not supercede the truth?
Hit him in the head
August 2, 2009 - 14:16 ET by jdlybrandNow there's an idea!
"What a revoltin' development this is!"
Chester Riley
Truthtellers will be fired now.
August 2, 2009 - 13:42 ET by WorriedDissenters of Obama's are racists so anyone pointing out where the racism stems from will be silenced.
Kurtz wants Obama to take a cue from Chavez who just shut down 34 radio stations.
OBAMA'S RATIONED HEALTHCARE BILL IS BAD FOR YOUR HEALTH.
Kurtz, piling on...
August 2, 2009 - 13:47 ET by BKeyserI know this is virtually a rhetorical comment, but I still fail to understand why race makes anything more significant. Would Kurtz be saying this if Beck called him an 'idiot' in lieu of a racist? And if so, simply because its Obama, his bias would be glaring given the media's treatment of the last President.
Beck didn't call Obama a racist term, signifying his own racism, so why should he be fired? What if Beck called him a... here it comes... 'smoker'! Uuuugggghhhh! That's a term the left truly hates. Or how about a 'bastard'? Or a 'liar'? These are also true.
Obama called a white police officer or the entire department for which he works, 'stupid', admittedly without the facts, solely in defense of a black man. If the races were reversed in every instance, would his statements been considered 'racist'? Without question...
Obama IS a racist.
August 2, 2009 - 13:45 ET by ArchConservativeI think everyone at MsNBC needs to be fired. I think everyone at CNN needs to be fired. I think that when you go to a house of worship for 30 years that teaches hate, that is the product you become. Obama IS Rev Wright. He is a hatemonger.
You support the troops by supporting the mission! If you don't support the mission, have the guts to say you don't support the troops.
Obama: Not my President. Ever.
Arch's comments seem a little extreme but...
August 2, 2009 - 20:57 ET by timothe...there is one important consideration about the Rev. Wright situation almost everyone ignores.
If Obama went to that church for 20 years, then at some point, he took his family with him to church. His wife and his children were intentionally exposed to the teachings of Rev. Wright week after week after week. What kind of man would do that?
Only a man who truly believes what the Rev. says. There is no other answer. And that's the scary part.
Contempt prior to investigation is ignorance.
A few Black people/countries/continents knew the heart of Bush
August 2, 2009 - 13:49 ET by Gary HallA few Black people/countries/continents knew the heart of Bush:
The obvious effort it took for the entire national MSM to hide such voices from the American people served only to promote their view of racial division where it does not exist for the purpose of their personal biased agendas.
(;~/ gary
Great stuff Gary
August 2, 2009 - 21:05 ET by general companyI am going to need e-mail notices for your post,,,,seriously.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
The left has goals, one of
August 2, 2009 - 13:55 ET by MrSnugglesThe left has goals, one of those goals is getting every Fox news host fired. They simply wait until something comes up that they can sensationalize, this is one of those instances.
I agree with Beck
August 2, 2009 - 13:56 ET by Edward CropperI do believe when you look at all the things the President and his wife have
said about race over the years and even of late it would be difficult for a
rational person not to come to the conclusion that they both are racists. They
both have demonstrated a hostel attitude toward white people and sat under nut
case Wright for twenty years.That alone should tell you something.
I think almost all black people have racists tendencies when the chips are on
the table. I do not say this with malice at all. I am old enough to remember the
indignities black people were subjected to day in and day out even in a so
called integrated city like Cincinnati the area I grew up in.
Denied access to movie theatres and other entertainment venues for years
simply because they were people of color.
Blacks were also befriended and defended by many whites of all social levels,
so they can't throw all of us in the same hole, but to some extent I can
understand their feelings.
This in no way justifies a President of our country holding on to actions of
the past and acting like some to bit punk in his true feeling toward whites.
Obviously Racist
August 2, 2009 - 13:58 ET by slickwillie2001"White folks greed runs a world in need." The Bamster said that and he believes it, and it is obviously a racist statement. That makes him a racist. QED.
reverse racism rules everything
August 2, 2009 - 13:58 ET by RayRayGlenn Beck is one of the very few who has the courage to correctly label Obama as the racist that he is. Michelle Malkin is another.
One day, hopefully soon, Beck will devote an entire show to exposing the hypocrisies and double standards of politically correct reverse-bigotry, which is the truly dominant bigotry in this country.
It looks like Noel Sheppard is no wimp, either. Bravo.
Hello People!!
August 2, 2009 - 14:24 ET by seanyriver24First, most of these idiots in the media live in lilly white multi-millionaire homes or co-ops from the city or suburbs..Secondly,If they care about the plight of minorities they should resign their jobs and demand a minority take it..Don"t hold your pee-pee or boobies..Please remember that they make up less than one-fifth of this country..Go after the advertising and companies that support them..It does work..
HMMMMM
August 2, 2009 - 14:06 ET by rick007Better yet Impeach the "O" for calling the police stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We have been told that
August 2, 2009 - 14:20 ET by MidAmericaWe have been told that in order for a person to be considered racist the racist must have power over the oppressed. This we were told is why whites could be racists but blacks could not be. But in this situation who has more power, a talk show host or the President of the United States?
This from here....
Dr. Jane Rhodes, Dean for the study of Race and Ethnicity at Macalaster College in St. Paul, claims that racism requires a power function to be true racism: "It is not enough to be intolerant of someone or dislike them, you need the ability to oppress them or control them by denying them housing or employment," said Rhodes.
Actually
August 2, 2009 - 14:19 ET by StarAZBeck has gone back in the campaign and found instances where the president said health care "reform" would help blacks more than whites, same for ecnomic "recovery" (or redistribution or whatever it's called these days). There may be a so-called "black agenda" morphing out of the mists one of these days. So we better get rid of Glenn now--he's so mean to ACORN, anyhow.
Maybe it's not just words
August 2, 2009 - 14:22 ET by StarAZMaybe we need a new term like race-conscious, race-involved, or race-referent.
Star... Plus this week
August 2, 2009 - 14:32 ET by bigtimerStar...
Plus this week Beck really got into all the previous, and still connections with Obama etc....he is digging and opening peoples eyes....plus he said he will be writing a book about all of this...which I am looking forward to.
The enemy within fear Beck, they want to silence him, via their own so-called Fairness Doctrine.
Here is a great link full of information he was talking about, I found it months ago, it starts at part 2, part 1 is at the bottom of the thread, which is naturally where people should start, there are links inside that are rich with info., it's a keeper to read on your own time, but it an eye-opener.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Talking about Acorn
August 2, 2009 - 14:47 ET by general companyI just got back from the gocery, as we were walking out of the store I noticed a SUV parking in the handycap parking with "register to vote here" written on all 3 of the back windows in large bold letters. So I approched the vehical as they were getting out and asked them if I could register, they claimed they were out of forms. When I asked them who was sponcering the drive they said, they could not tell me, I asked if it was acorn, they looked at each other and started mumbleing. By then a few other folks were kinda listening in, so I asked, is that why you wont let me register? They said they were in a hurry, I asked them do you have any information for me about reregistering? No, we cant help you. I asked, what are all of those boxes of forms in the back, no info about voting there? They walked into the store, and I thanked them for all of their assistance. I also mentioned maybe they should not advertise if they are not able to help.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
There's a local talk radio
August 2, 2009 - 14:23 ET by Kat Outta the BagThere's a local talk radio host in my area who is very liberal and was whining about Beck's comments the other day as I was driving home from work. Funny, he didn't have a problem when people were labeling Bush as racist, among other things. Man, these people have a terrible memory problem...or is that a selective memory problem?
CNN was fired from my home...
August 2, 2009 - 14:25 ET by Mike Bratton...a long time ago.
And from what I've seen, the same can be said for a lot of American homes.
--Mike
www.thebrattonreport...
Beck!!
August 2, 2009 - 14:30 ET by seanyriver24Wasn't it Cnn that fired Beck and now they see his ratings have sky_rocketed and they are a bit JEALOUS?Howard Kurtz and these cronies are on. because who they know, not because they are intelligent and smart..We are the majority not them..
s24... I don't think CNN
August 2, 2009 - 14:41 ET by bigtimers24...
I don't think CNN fired him, Fox had a better offer, plus less pressure I would imagine.
Anyway, I have never heard he was fired.
Would be great if they could get Dobbs....I don't agree with him on everything, but it would put a smile on my face, for more reasons than one.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Yep,
August 2, 2009 - 14:30 ET by general companyYou can add mslsd, cbs, abc, nbc, and pbs news.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
newsbusters..
August 2, 2009 - 14:40 ET by seanyriver24We could sit here till the cows come and explain Katrina and the left-wing position on this terrible tragedy..However,we need to expose the corruption of the media and show their malice for the truth..Find where these people live..It is easy..Google does are work..How Ironic, that a leftist site gives us all the goodies we need in exposing that these people live in LILLY White neighborhoods..This does include black journalists..I remember hearing Sharpton say one day that he can"t be a racist, because of where he lives..The irony is delicious..
Speaking of CNN... Here
August 2, 2009 - 14:38 ET by bigtimerSpeaking of CNN...
Here is a new National Voter Card I heard about this morning watching some of Kurtz....I hope other conservatives take the time to vote.
If anyone goes in and votes on these 10 questions I would be curious to know if when it gets to question 8 if your vote stays stuck on the previous vote result you picked, question 7, mine did and I'm furious...I'm wondering if this is intentional.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
>>>BT?
August 2, 2009 - 14:49 ET by BKeyserWhat is up with North Dakota?
I don't know, but you can
August 2, 2009 - 15:01 ET by bigtimerI don't know, but you can move your mouse and point to any state without clicking, and they will show you the results so far, which seem to be a C so far, naturally dontcha know...lol.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Re CNN Poll
August 2, 2009 - 15:10 ET by slickwillie2001Ugly and slow cantankerous code, but it worked okay for me.
Some brutal data there. I didn't notice the numbers polled, but no one looks too happy about anything. The worst result is on the media itself!
Thanks slick... I must
August 2, 2009 - 15:14 ET by bigtimerThanks slick...
I must have done something wrong, anyway, the only question was about the repub congress that I didn't give an F or D to and it stayed stuck on D.....oh well... it is what it is, I just thought it was weird.
I think I gave Shrillary a C...just for the heck of it.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
confusing
August 2, 2009 - 14:36 ET by IckMan that has to be the most confusing article I have ever read here. Needs parts converted to actual video or something.
Kurtz Hurts?
August 2, 2009 - 15:04 ET by BarkerOh come on Kurtz, who in this day and age hasn't been called a racist?
But the truth hurts; and guilty dogs bark...
Beck should have added 'Fascist' to the mix.
Racist:
August 2, 2009 - 14:47 ET by 1uncle1uncle: NoBama should stick to the teleprompter. Speaker on the spur of the moment is much more likely to be an honest expression of beliefs. Going to a church that preached hating whitey for 20 years should have been enough proof also. Spending so much taxes on special interest groups like government healthcare, is further proof. The stimulus money went to them. Our taxes paid for the birth and maintainance of millions of demorats, we should pay for their health and I wouldn't mind if they would stop breeding them. I feel like we owe it. We have always gone to same schools in most states and in the southern ones for 3 generations, Get an education. Get equal. Get off welfare.
glenn beck, then.......
August 2, 2009 - 14:51 ET by powhitemalethe msm is making their call for the fairness doctrine afterall, obama promised. "there is nothing wrong with being a white, conservative, man!" - powhitemale
This is the way it works
August 2, 2009 - 15:09 ET by silentsoulI am a white man that lives in the South, so that makes me racist no matter what I say or do. It is just the way we are seen down here. Now people are getting to see what we deal with all the time if you are a white man you are Racist and there is nothing that you can say or do to prove to these people that they are the true Racist because they hate me just because I am white.
Noel....I see from your bio that you are not an attorney. Well,
August 2, 2009 - 15:38 ET by Rush Fanyou certainly play one here at NewsBusters, as you have made a comprehensive and compelling case for CNN's and Howard Kurtz's hypocrisy. Sadly it is neither the first time nor the last. As Rush is fond of saying: liberalism is hypocrisy and much worse..."
I have voiced my concern regarding this double standard by contacting Howard Kurtz using the forms at both the Washington Post, and CNN. I included the links to Noel Sheppard's post. Perhaps with the overwhelming evidence of hypocrisy, Kurtz will come forth with a mea culpa. I'm not holding my breathe.
Perhaps Howard Kurtz should consider leaving journalism, and moving to a profession that better suits him: doing blow drys, manicures, pedicures, and body waxing at the ready-made named Howard Kurtz Salon.
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“They have plunged to such depths of incompetence and unprofessionalism and ignorance, it's actually hard for me to come up with accurate words to describe what has happened to them,…” ~ Rush Limbaugh on the media
Great video; What every white person should know!
August 2, 2009 - 15:44 ET by Solrac7A friend sent me this video and commentary.
http://nicedoggie.net/index.php/archives/2234
I am tired of being a scape goat for every race baiter and black racist including our president. Past time for white people to assert ourselves. I have tried to have black friends but the rewards that you would expect in a friendship, generally speaking, are not their. Everybody is so "sensitive".
My family came from Germany, Denmark and Ireland in the late 1800's and moved to Minnesota. My GG Grandfather fought in the Civil war on the Union side. My Dad claims, in his knee jerk response, I am a racist, but, he has never had a black friend or a black person that he has invited over to his home. He lost out on promotions in the fire service due to affirmative action, and complained about it, yet promotes a liberal agenda and supports "The One" one hundred percent. Is this the definition of insanity? Like Chris Rock says "I'm tired of it!".
that was a great article
August 2, 2009 - 16:24 ET by sarainitalythanks for linking.
Solrac7..... Thanks for the link and the videos. I noticed that
August 2, 2009 - 20:38 ET by Rush Fanthe link to the second video was removed by YouTube with this notification: This video has been removed due to terms of use violation.
Is Google (owner of YouTube) covering for President Obama?
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"Barack Obama's demeanor belies the fact that he is who he is. You would never think he's an extremist unless you took seriously who his mentors were." ~ Rush Limbaugh
To
August 2, 2009 - 16:07 ET by jessieHTo Howard Kurtz: " If CNN hasn't fired you for being an idiot, why should Glenn Beck be fired for acting like one. I watch Beck every day. He's entertaining and insightfull. More than I can say about you......"
Howie should be fired for
August 2, 2009 - 16:34 ET by Delsabeing stupid!
Glen Beck should be applauded for NOT giving up his right to free speech and experssion!
It IS what it IS!
Is it Cathartic or Catheter?
August 2, 2009 - 17:12 ET by DelsaEither way, your tube is BENT!
Delsa, it's Cat Hair Tick
August 2, 2009 - 17:15 ET by R D Helm:-)
-Dave
Actually, Beck should be, in
August 2, 2009 - 17:14 ET by nadadhimmiActually, Beck should be, in the eyes of Dems, horribly tortured, and then killed for his Heresy. How dare he question Lord god Barak?
Catheter aka cat hair tick
August 2, 2009 - 17:24 ET by Delsabent and backing up.
Ouch time.
Obama as a Rasist?
August 2, 2009 - 17:28 ET by hwm98264hwm982xx
…President Obama was reacting on his basic instincts when calling the cop’s action ‘stupid’; i.e. whenever there is any encounter between a black man and a white officer, it is always logically and inherently “racial profiling”. Therefore, the white officer is at fault and must be a racist and acting stupidly.
…President Obama is exposed again on this one and there is no weaseling out of this. He wanted the beer fest for the video/media coverage that resulted; hopefully absolving him of his negative consequences. But the negative consequences will be long lasting.…This incident had nothing to do with racial profiling by a white cop, in spite of President Obama and minorities trying to capitalize on it, and to make it so. ...I always marvel why Asians are NEVER included with the other minority groups. The Asians have much greater language and cultural differences than any of the other minority groups. Why do they not qualify for the special treatment and benefits plus the media and political attention/promotion?
why not Asians?
August 2, 2009 - 20:24 ET by RayRaybecause generally they work hard and obey the rules. Plus, the blacks hate them. I remember roughly a dozen years ago when blacks rioted outside Asian owned stores in black neighborhoods, carrying signs that said, "get out of OUR neighborhoods".
The media reaction was along the lines of "we need to understand black concerns".
You might like this, by Ying Ma from 11 yrs ago:
"Black racism: the hate that dare not speak its name"
http://74.125.47.132...
(Naturally, she was subsequently called a "racist" because of exposing black racism.)
You'll also instantly see the background of the reflexive use of "Ching Chong" by Shaq, who was punished for his use of the racial slur with... zero consequences, of course.
Way Too Much Transcript
August 2, 2009 - 17:28 ET by CaringwhiteguyI wore out my finger just scrolling down. Ouch! :-)
I will take the heat Mr. Sheppard
August 2, 2009 - 17:54 ET by JWFIf you don't want to be labeled a racist, don't make racist statements.
President Obama: ... I don’t know all the facts. ... I guess the Cambridge police acted stupidly ... a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcing disproportionately. That’s just a fact... the fact that blacks and Hispanics are picked up more frequently, and oftentime for no cause, casts suspicion
He does not have all the facts and makes a judgement based on an outside history.
racism : 2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
prejudice: 2 a (1): preconceived judgment or opinion (2): an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b: an instance of such judgment or opinion c: an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics
Sounds racist to me.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
" "If you don't want to be
August 2, 2009 - 19:41 ET by ckc1227" "If you don't want to be labeled a racist, don't make racist statements."
And don't sit in a racist church for 20 years.
The real question is; Is
August 2, 2009 - 18:35 ET by billbThe real question is; Is Kurtz really that stupid?
he's not stupid at all
August 2, 2009 - 20:11 ET by RayRayhe knows full well that white reverse-racists will get rewarded in their media careers. Couric was on the way out until she joined the Obama campaign.
Btw, unprincipled Charlie Gibson on Monday will criticize stimulus pork in, of all states, ALASKA!
And he is arrogant beyond belief
August 2, 2009 - 19:18 ET by FormerMarineOfficerwww.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/07/obamas_revealing_body_language.html
Kanye's comment was
August 2, 2009 - 21:08 ET by balboaKanye's comment was craziness, but it's hard to compare it to Beck because Kanye isn't on a news show, doesn't have to report to an editorial or executive staff.
Should Beck be fired? No, of course not. He's a mess or really trying for ratings, but he shouldn't be fired.
I remember hearing
August 2, 2009 - 21:26 ET by Delsablack leaders say, "Blacks can't be racist because we have no power."
Thanks Congressman!
Re power
August 2, 2009 - 22:00 ET by slickwillie2001I've heard that; such hogwash. Look at Gates and Crowley. Gates has Harvard behind him, as well as the foppish Governor of Mass, and the President. Crowley has the Chief of Police who has stuck his neck out for him, and not much else. The situation is perfectly reversed, yet still to the bleeding hearts, they see racism. Some go so far as to say that because there are white people involved, there's racism.
We are approaching a state where everything we do wrt to blacks is racist, and in the end it will all fall apart because if everything is racist, nothing is racist.
What does Eric Holder say?
August 2, 2009 - 22:18 ET by pbthinkerDid anyone ask Howard how do you start a conversation about race? It's no wonder Eric Holder thinks we're cowards, if Beck thinks Obama made his statement because he's racist, that is the start of the conversation. Obama could have come back and said he wasn't.
Howard Kurtz, of all people, should recognize that, looking at the big picture, this all stems from the free ride Obama got during the election. There were questions about his sitting in Reverend Wright's church for 20 years. There were questions about Michelle's comment that she wasn't proud of her country, before Barack got nominated. There were questions about Michelle saying that America was a downright mean country. Now there's a questions why Obama, without the facts, would say the Cambridge Police acted "stupidly". Rather than ask those questions or put all of those little things together, as Beck did, we have Howard asking if Beck should be fired. I know Obama was elected. Did we throw out the first amendment once that happened?
Why would someone analyzing media even think of asking if Glenn Beck should be fired. Hell if Olberman can stay on, Glenn Beck should certainly be able to stay on. Any and all conversations, about the words said and treatment of President Obama, should be compared with the treatment George Bush, and more recently Sarah Palin, have received from Cable News. If you look at these things through that prism, things will look amazingly different.
Election 2008-God's way of showing us that elections count.
I found the blog of the carthartic1 troll.
August 3, 2009 - 00:06 ET by JWFhttp://jmtame.posterous.com/capitalization-is-obsolete
it's name is jared tame. it loves e e cummings. it has sister named rosie o'donnell that has problems with capitalization too.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
First, I would have been
August 3, 2009 - 03:31 ET by mostlymoderateFirst, I would have been embarrassed to have Kanye West representing "my" people because the guy can't even speak properly. Second, Obama has shown himself to be racist. There is no way Sotomayer was the best choice for the Supreme Court, she simply fills an affirmative action "vacancy" in Obama's mind. Also, he mouthed off about some police officers who put their ass's on the line everyday and labeled them stupid without knowing any of the facts about the situation. He said race wasn't going to be a part of his campaign or Presidency and he as brought it up on multiple occasions. I think he despises white people too. I think he despises democracy and I think he despises the capitalist system that built this country to what it is today. I think he despises the same people that made it possible to get where he is today. I don't see any black presidents in Europe or anywhere else in the Western, civilized world. Do you? He forgets how great America is, the way it is. I don't need his socialism. :(
Beck's the only one out
August 3, 2009 - 04:58 ET by RR GOPBeck's the only one out there (even on Fox News) who is really trying to nail down the fact that these "progressives" are actually an odd assortment of Communists and self-promoting crooks.
I look for him to get more heat put on him as time goes on.
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).
wow, I forgot how ignorant Kanye West sounds
August 3, 2009 - 06:02 ET by spmcintyreI see why he does not get speaking engagements anymore, even Chris Tucker looked a little disturbed when they cut to him, Mike Meyers, probably would have left the stage, if he was not being a profesional...
...how about we have a recall vote on Senator/Congressperson so and so....
1st Amendment?
August 3, 2009 - 07:17 ET by lareeHoward Kurtz would like to take out the competition? That AMERICAN Free Speech thingy is always getting in the way.
CNN Communist News Network, we won't report because we will decide what you will think for you.
You seem to give this guy
August 3, 2009 - 15:59 ET by buddycYou seem to give this guy some respect. He should change his name to Howard Putz. He should never be allowed to judge the media's prejudice. He is partisan hack.
You seem to give this guy
August 3, 2009 - 15:59 ET by buddycYou seem to give this guy some respect. He should change his name to Howard Putz. He should never be allowed to judge the media's prejudice. He is partisan hack.