Democrat Strategist Defends Obamanomics With...Reaganomics?

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Democrat strategist Bob Shrum on Sunday not only praised Reaganomics, but used it as an example as why Americans should be patient in allowing President Obama's stimulus plan to take effect.

During the panel discussion on Sunday's "Meet the Press," host David Gregory asked his guests, "Why shouldn't the Republicans, who certainly spent a long time spending a lot of government money and under whose watch the economy took the turn that it did, why shouldn't there be more patience from the Republican aisle?"

Shrum amazingly offered the following answer (readers are advised to prepare for an alternate reality):

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Look, this--Reagan went through this.  Reagan went through this in 1981 and, in fact, his approval rating, by the way, at this time was exactly the same as Obama's is today.  And...And Republicans, Republicans stayed with him.  They stayed despite the difficulties in the mid-term elections.  They got to 1983, the recovery came; so did morning in America and so did the confirmation of the Reagan era.  The real challenge here is for Democrats.  Are they going to stick with the president?  Are they going to get wobbly?  Are they going to get afraid?

Wow. So, in one paragraph, the man who worked for the presidential campaigns of Michael Dukakis, Al Gore, and John Kerry not only agreed that Reagan's economic policies resulted in a recovery, but used it as an example of why folks should be patient in letting Obama's policies work.

Sadly, no one present noticed this odd turn of events, nor did they point out to Shrum that the crux of Reaganomics was lower taxes and relaxed regulations.

By contrast, Obamanomics to date has been a mixture of higher taxes and tighter regulations.

As such, those waiting for that to stimulate growth might be waiting a very, very long time.

On a related note, before Shrum got to answer, NBC's Andrea Mitchell made her pitch as to why Obamanomics has worked:

[U]nemployment is a lagging indicator. There has been a decline in the rate of unemployment.  That's the, the immediate fix. 

Yes, unemployment is a lagging indicator, but you think she used that to defend President Bush when he was in office and the press were regularly talking about a jobless recovery?

Remember the good old days when the Bush recovery was just beginning? The Labor Department would announce employers added 70,000 jobs to their payrolls, and folks like Mitchell would complain that this wasn't enough to keep up with the growth in the labor force.

Now, the economy loses 467,000 jobs in June, and Mitchell is not only talking about unemployment being a lagging indicator, but also claiming a slowing in the rate of unemployment is an economic fix.

Boy...what a difference an "O" makes.

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Why does anybody ask this

Why does anybody ask this guy anything? He is 0-how many presidential campaigns. He is an expert on losing.  

Semper suprene nitens

North Carolina now has the worst government money can buy. 

I don't understand it

I don't understand it either--and like so many democrats, Shrumm and truth are strangers.

Liberalism is a convenient lie.

How Come?

You have to give Obama credit for one thing, he didn't pick Shrum for his campaign manager.  With a thought process like his, you can see why.  Too bad he didn't, if he had we'd probably have a President McCain and Vice-president Palin today.

Election 2008-God's way of showing us that elections count.  

Listening to liberals

Should make any rational thinking person's ears hurt.

And the amazing thing is

And the amazing thing is that they believe their own blather! 

Next Democrat talking point: Obama more Reagan than Reagan!

I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows.  -Bart Simpson

 

Of course he's more Reagan

Of course he's more Reagan than Reagan; he's more Catholic than the Pope.  And you can know that's true because a Kennedy said so.

/sarc

mb, I suppose it's a

mb,

I suppose it's a matter of when not being able to defend the polcies, they just "bravely" repeat the talking points. However, they do sound silly after a while. Kirsten Powers on Fox has been repeating the mantra, "It's only been six months! It's only been six months!". In 2011, she'll be able to say, "It's only been thirty-six months! It's only been thirty-six months!"

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

That drove me nuts when I

That drove me nuts when I saw her doing that a few nights back.

I detest the endless daily talking points the left always have....everywhere!

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

And get this AP report

And get this AP report today on Obama's Op-Ed in the WaPo. Un-Be-Lievable!

Recovery to take years, not months.

This is why the stimulus bill had to be passed in 7 days -- without anyone reading it, and loaded with pork -- so that we can wait years for it to take effect?

"It was, from the start, a two-year program, and it will steadily save and create jobs as it ramps up over this summer and fall."

I'm afraid that any job left in America will be touted by Obama as "his -- he saved it". What a crock. He's planting the seeds now for not taking the blame if all our jobs go overseas as a result of his piss-poor policies.

And the worst of all

The public has said in polls that it was willing to give Obama time to deal with the economic mess he inherited from President George W. Bush

Obama did not inherit an economic mess from President Bush. Instead, that mess was caused by liberal Congressional Dims. How many years are we going to hear this panty-waiste blame his ineptness on President Bush?

___________________________________ 

An optimist thinks that the glass is 1/2 full; a pessimist 1/2 empty; a realist thinks the glass is twice a big as it needs to be

TnT... We're going to

TnT...

We're going to hear it until we are ready to pull our hair out...at least until after the next Presidential election...and lord knows that is a lot of days yet....thousands.

It hurts just thinking about it.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

IMO, all we are going to

IMO, all we are going to hear is how much worse it would have been had he done nothing.

I can't imagine it being any worse...nothing has turned yet in spite of it, and in years we would recover no matter what! If he did absolutely nothing else, the economy would eventually recover on its own. I just don't know why Presidents  think they can "manage" an economy in the hundreds of trillions of dollars as if it were one business.

Every day this President shows what a greenhorn he is....Bob Tyrell was right...he doesn't have a clue.....

Right now I'm remembering Rumsfeld saying there are things that you don't know that you don't know......

I think he was prescient. He wasn't talking about Obama but he might as well have been.

I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows.  -Bart Simpson

 

What a refreshing

What a refreshing refresher...I loved that when he said that...and right you are...it fits O and all going on to a tee.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

When I read that his

When I read that his recovery plan was going to take years not months I breathed a sigh of relief, I thought it was all supposed to happen now. But now that I know its years down the road I am not worried anymore.

/sarc off

How often, before the vote

How often, before the vote and since, have we heard "from the start, it was a 2 year program?"  Seems to me, not at all.  I guess when it's apparent how STUPID it is, they gotta make up some crap.  They had no problem claiming the surge failed in Iraq, after only 3 weeks from the day of the announcement though.  Bunch of fools, and many American sheeple just as much so to continue to back his idiotic and dangerous ways.

rickl... You beat me to

rickl...

You beat me to the punch...exactly where I was going to go myslef, that is exactly what I told my husband this morning when he came on with his babblin' BS...as usual, I was laughing so hard in between it all, I finally couldn't take anymore tears were coming to my eyes...I clicked it....not worth the side-ache.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

And why does Fox keep

And why does Fox keep having that blowhard loser Bob Beckel on Hannity and America's NewsRoom? He's like Shrum, always picking the decrepit horse and then helping them lose. 

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

Chris... I guess it's the

Chris...

I guess it's the Fair and Balanced thing...I usually try to tune him out....there is somebody else he keeps having on that drives me nuts too...can't remember which side of the party they were on either...oops, now I remember...Al Sharpton.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Al Sharpton - America's

Al Sharpton - America's favorite African American con man and charlatan. Why does Fox insist on keeping that clown's - er - career - resurrected? He should have been forced to climb back under a rock after Tawana Brawley and he were exposed.

But everytime I hear Beckel trying to bully other people in the discussion or mocking their answers, I want to climb through the screen and do damage. He thinks he's a tough guy, but he's just an obnoxious loser.

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

Schrum Is O-for

You beat me to it. The man is a loser from top to bottom, but then the leftists/statists/progressives love losers, don't they? (Think Jimmah Cahtah.)

These losers are invited on the state-run news media shows because they are "reliable" as in spouting the proper talking points, etc. Otherwise, why have them on at all?

--

We already have term limits. They are called elections. We can & should vote out those who do not represent & serve us! - Me

 

My sister, though not very

My sister, though not very poltically interested, usually votes conservative. Yesterday, I found out she actually likes Obama. When I criticized his economic policies she said, "I like him and am willing to give him a chance to see if his programs work". I answered, "If you knew someone at work (she's a nurse) was doing something in a way you knew, from experience, would be dangerous to the patients health, would you let them continue doing it without saying anything, just because you liked the person?". She said, "Well, no..." I said, "Well, I know from experience his policies won't work and will harm us, so why should I wait to see if, somehow they will help this time? That's like waiting to see if a huge dose of arsenic will somehow cure cancer."

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

Lol Chris... ...and then

Lol Chris...

...and then what?

At least you gave her something to ponder on....eh?

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

bt, Right. I didn't

bt,

Right. I didn't convince her, but I could tell she was thinking about something that she had never questioned before. I tell you, that man has a bad effect on some normally rational people. 

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

Chris... Right you

Chris...

Right you are...we have some in our families too...not many though.

I see what you mean about being surprised though when it came to your normally conservative sis...now that would surprise me if that happened to a person who was usually conservative and liked/defended O...especially a family member.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

bt,Like I said, she's

bt,

Like I said, she's not too interested in politics. I think she votes more out of habit, rather than any ideological commitment. She's also more emotional, so, after thinking about it, I am sure she was swayed by the hype and maybe her friends, all who are mostly liberal. She just moved from CA to NM, so I must begin the deprogramming before my brother pulls her even further into the cult. Otherwise, they'll be clinking the glasses of KoolAid before too long...

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

Oh boy...never thought of

Oh boy...never thought of that...boy oh boy you've got your hands full dontcha...you are going to have to be busy that way when you get the chance.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

My brother values his TV

My brother values his TV too much to have Keith Olbermann on when I happen to come over around 6:00 PM. I hear the channel changing as soon as he hears me open the door. :) 

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

Chris...you don't know how

Chris...you don't know how much I am laughing right this moment, I can just see it...and wonder what your brother mutters when he has to change that channel...hehehee

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

bt, :I'm glad that the

bt,

:I'm glad that the ongoing battle between me - valiant conservative crusader - and my brother - the focus of evil in the American Southwest, is somewhat good for laughs. :)

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

"would you let

"would you let them continue doing it without saying anything, just because you liked the person?""

Or to give them chance to see if it works, lol? If Obama decided to bring back slavery, I wonder how many of these folks would be saying "let's give him a chance and see if it works"?

Hehehe...now that is a

Hehehe...now that is a delicious point you put out there ckc.

We all know the answer to that too.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

ckc,To all of those who

ckc,

To all of those who say the dumb thing, "Let's give his 'stimulus' plan a chance to see if it works", I say, "You tell me when a very liberal economic plan ever worked and why you think it worked". Then, I sit back and wait to pounce.

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

history has shown on

history has shown on numerous occasions that it does not work. 2012 is lookin good for us conservatives.

It is far better to be three hours early than one minute late.

He'd only do that if he and

He'd only do that if he and his Lib cronies could profit from it in some way.

When you think about it,

When you think about it, his policies are, in a way, going to make us, at least, economic slaves to the government - dependent on the "master" for mercy.

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

We are all Obama's slaves

We are all Obama's slaves now. Thank God he is a one termer.

DC... He's just gotta' be

DC...

He's just gotta' be a one termer...and we had better gain seats in '10 to gain power if possible in one of the chambers ...if we don't, I don't even want to think of the rest of the damage that will be done.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Btw....I heard Andreeaaaa

Btw....I heard Andreeaaaa Mitchell also...I jsut shook my head...I asked my husband if all these people really believe what they are saying at times, they've been in such an agenda driven life, some of them most of their adulthood, that at times I think they truly are living in a delusional world.

I love your line ns ....What a difference an "O" makes is priceless here...or anywhere for that matter.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

So an illegal alien muslim

usurps the whitehouse, doe the exact opposite of what the greatest President in my lifetime did and you expect me to have patience while Iv'e lost my job, my income and stand to lose my home because of affirmative action muslimism poltical correctness. Welllllll excuse me but you, the mule you rode in on, osama obama and all his muslim brethren can kiss my big fat white and shiny American ...... and go to ......

And besides that ....YOU.

Sigh...

Whomever said "If you're not Liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not Conservative when you're 35, you have no brain" probably did not realize just how many ways that sentence is true. I think currently, it can best be described in the level of maturity between contemporary Democrats and Conservative republicans. It seems to me that the drumbeats of "we won" and "it took eight years to get here" are not unlike the grade school playground arguments of "it's my ball" and "stop touching me!"

I hate when adolescents are in charge...

Oh, and using the Obama administration economic policy of "we won", this guy Scrum (or whatever his name is) should really just go away. 

Quote

Winston Churchill said that.

If you are twenty and a conservative, you have no heart. If you are thirty and a liberal, you have no brain.

It is far better to be three hours early than one minute late.

We'd all better hope Shrum ends up running Obama's 2012 campaign

It just might be the only hope we have left.

-Dave

"Obama's health care 'reform' plan is to blow up the building in order to fix a leak in the roof." - <a href="http://www.hermanc

Dave... He'd NEVER hire

Dave...

He'd NEVER hire Shrum...heck, don't know if anybody will anymore...except the leftist msm when they need a pretend to be know-it-all winner of some sort for a fill in....'bout all he's good for anymore...and as we all know in the real world, they are losing $$$ when they pay him.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Bob Shrum's talent is being

Bob Shrum's talent is being able to talk glibly but seemingly authoritatively on issues, making observations and comparisons that seem to make sense but are full of holes.

He is a walking talking example of how to interview for a job successfully before your boss realizes you are incompetent.

He used the example of Reagan without crediting Reagan or noting that Obama is doing the exact opposite, as an illustration to embarrass the "partisan" Republicans into giving Obama the same chance they gave Reagan.

Since the liberal media is intellectually dishonest and agrees with him, and Obama's agenda, it probably never entered into Gregory's mind that Obama and Reagan were polar opposites economically, and if it did, he would never persue that flaw in Shrum's ill-conceived and flimsy argument.

metaphorsbwithu

He is a walking talking

He is a walking talking example of how to interview for a job successfully before your boss realizes you are incompetent.

That is the perfect analogy for him.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Lagging Indicator

Andrew_M_Garland

Falling down drunk is a lagging indicator of excessive drinking.

Team Obama claims that our increasing unemployment is a lagging indicator of Bush's policies.

Actually, it lags the disastrous housing policy of the Democrats, and the disastrous so-called stimulus policy of Obama. And it lags the anouncements of more spending and higher taxes on everything, including energy.

The country is still drinking, so it is falling down drunk, and Obama-Reid-Pelosi is pouring in the booze as we lay there semi-conscious.

We Guarantee It
The government is guaranteeing us into poverty. The story of the housing and economic crisis. Politicians discovered a loophole in government finances. They could borrow as much as they wanted, off budget and without debate, by granting guarantees.

Yep...we're already in such

Yep...we're already in such deep shite the wader boots need to come out...and yet they are wanting another Stimulus Bill...it is beyond belief to me.

Where in the world does this end?

Plus Rangels newest plan, taxing a heck of a lot to the people who make 250,000 or more, just great, talk about job losses, small businesses going under...etc.

Btw...Rangel should be behind bars....yet he is still head of the Ways and Means...some in this country are stark raving mad it seems.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

It gets even better...

Obama's people estimate the health care overhaul to cost $1T-$2T (which means we can safely double this figure at least to get the true cost, not accounting for interest on borrowed money or the effects of inflation).  But it's estimated that even the huge tax hike on the "rich" that the House wants to fund this monstrosity would only generate $500B ($0.5T) over the next 10 years.  Which makes a tax hike on the middle class inevitable. 

 I'll give you a second to lift your jaw off the floor over the prospect of The One breaking a central campaign promise.   But according to Bob Beckel it's OK to break your promises after you've been elected.  Keep that in the back of your mind when the next Republican POTUS is elected.

Didn't Obie

tell us that he didn't pay attention to the stock market, because that was  a lagging indicator?  Seems I remember that, when the market tanked.  Now, the unemployment created and fostered by no-stimulus is the fault of Bush?  BDS is alive and well.  Next, it'll be kangaroo courts for the Bush NSC team, and occaisional CIA field officers.  Got to take the people's minds off the lack of jobs, Cap N Tax and health care. 

.... I was and am still

.... I was and am still perfectly willing to sit back with lower taxes and relaxed regulations to wait for the economy to recover. As soon as the current administration implements that plan. However, as the current course we are on involves higher taxes, increased government and tighter regulations all to the tune of possibly destroying the free market as we know it. Then I am afraid I have no patience for a recovery that is only going to occur in a mentally unstable fantasy of self congratulation and personal greed.

You know things are going downhill fast for the current administration if they are starting to use Reagan comparisions now.

Snappy... Your last lines

Snappy...

Your last lines summed it all up in a nutshell.

Perfectly.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Reaganomics is a short term

Reaganomics is a short term solution, just ask George H.W. Bush. Reganomics is why Bush one wasn't reelected, 'read my lips, no new taxes' but because of Reganomics he had to raise taxes. Bush one approval rating was above 80 percent after the Gulf war, then he had to raise taxes because of Reganomics.

 When they say this is the worst economy in 26 years that was the beginning of Reagan's administration. It will be probaly another year or two before the economy returns to normal.

24enak, you are truly an uneducated moron of the first order

GHWB, a LIBERAL republican, caved in to pressure by the dimlibs to raise taxes, even though it wasn't necessary, and ultimately did more harm than good to the economy.

Under Ronald Reagan, and specifically because of the tax cuts he forced through a recalcitrant congress, government revenues actually DOUBLED in a six year period.

No dembulb-o-crat has ever come close to doing that.

As for this economy returning to normal in two years, that's total crap. As long as Obama remains in the WH, and the dems remain in control of congress, and things continue as they are going, there isn't going to be an economic recovery.

In case you haven't noticed, Obama & Co. are doing exactly the same WRONG things that FDR did, only on a far larger scale.

I hate to break it to you government-school types, but FDR's economy-killing polices only deepened the Depression, and had nothing whatsoever to do with getting us out of it.

Unless something else comes along as it did during the Depression (WW II) to pull us out of where we are heading economically (the bottom of the toilet), it is going to take at least two decades to undo the hideous (and quite possibly FATAL) damage Obama and his minions are doing to our nation's economy.

You cannot blow $12 trillion (that we do not even have) out the door as Obama has now and expect an economic recovery to come along. Ain't gonna happen.

Do you have any concept of just how much money $12 trillion even is? In a good year, TOTAL GOVERNMENT TAX RECEIPTS are only about $1.5 trillion. As of now, they are down nearly 40%, and are probably headed down far further.

All your hero Obama has managed to do is bankrupt this nation, and even now is rapidly moving to de-capitalize the private sector.

Without a vibrant, growing private sector (which Obama is currently destroying), no economic recovery is even possible. Even Obama knows this, but people like you are still deluded into believing he is actually trying to improve the economy.

He isn't.

-Dave

"Obama's health care 'reform' plan is to blow up the building in order to fix a leak in the roof." -

24enak, you are truly an uneducated moron of the first order

Thank you R D, every point you made is simply the truth and it is known to hurt some peoples feelings, about the only thing you left off saying is that from day one of the obama campaign WE told YOU so.

So now they can learn the hard way.

RD King,

I am so tired of saying "We Told You So" when it comes to Obama and what he is currently doing to America that I can't even bring myself to type it anymore.

If the stoopid American sheeple had just put down there G#* D*&@ People Magazines, turned off American f'ing Idol and Entertainment Tonight, and had troubled themselves to spend a couple of hours of their time on the internet doing some even rudimentary research back when Obama announced his candidacy, there is a chance we wouldn't be in this hideous situation.

Albeit a decidedly small one.

It's sad to think we are going to literally lose our country because of brain-dead morons like 24enak.

Why people this mind-numbingly stupid are allowed anywhere near a voting booth is utterly beyond me.

As Neal Boortz likes to say, we need to get the dregs off the voting rolls.

-Dave

"Obama's health care 'reform' plan is to blow up the building in order to fix a leak in the roof." -

R D, I agree about these no nothing voters

last week there was a post at American Thinker that said that the obama voters were beginning to relaize that he was not making good on his promises and it upset them. I posted that they either didn't listen to him from day one of his campaign or they are IDIOTS, because he promised to destroy our economy (cap and tax and obamacare) and he is doing exactly what he promised. That is supported by his statement that the stimulus is working just like he expected it to, we are losing jobs at the fastest rate I'm pretty sure than ever before.

I believe these people are most likely IDIOTS.

It is obvious...

...you know nothing about what happened economically during the Reagan years. Revenue DOUBLED during the Reagan years so your claim about GWB having to raise taxes to offset "Reaganomics" is either a deliberate lie or spoken in ignorance. GWB rasied taxes because he was a closet liberal. Reagan's budget proposals were a full 25% less than what Democrat controlled Congress eventually approved. Less than 5% of GDP went towards defense spending while entitlement spending rose to nearly 10% of GDP.

And therein lies the problem...

because no one teaches history anymore.  Or if it is, it's the history of how white males are responsible for all the evils of the world since the time of the Founding Fathers.  For example, I'd love to know just how much history of the Cold War, relatively recent history, is even taught competently in American classrooms today and what lessons were learned from that period of time.

 I remember there being an interview with Charles Kesler over at National Review Online on the topic of learning from history.  The narrator asks, with obvious exasperation, how given the history of free market capitalism versus socialist central planning and all the economic experience we've obtained with both these systems over the past century, why is the obvious superiority of capitalism even a question anymore?  How many times must socialist economic policies falter and collapse before people get the point?  Kesler referred to a tactical answer, and I think this is partially what he had in mind.  Liberal infiltration of the educational system is so complete that history isn't taught, and the lessons of the past are never learned by the next generation.

....Just ask yourself or do

....Just ask yourself or do a search for how many times over the last few months we have heard that this great experiment "Capitalism" and the "Free Market" have failed and its time to abandon them for something that works. Then your question which you know already, will be rhetorical.

 For a truly great perspective on how things should be taught, pick up a copy of "The 5000 year leap...Principles of Freedom 101"

which leads me to another element of

the "tactical answer" alluded to by Kesler, which is the MSM.  It's high time for conservatives to acknowledge that 60s liberalism has succeeded beyond even their own expectations and has culminated with Obama.  As it stands now, conservatives are facing a nearly insurmountable tactical disadvantage.  Liberals completely control the dissemination of information (MSM) and how children and young people learn that information (schools and universities).  Discrediting the MSM is absolutely crucial.  As much as we celebrate the growth of new media and the financial problems of the old media, the truth is that most people who vote still get their news from cable news and nightly network news (not to mention the Daily Show).  Reigning in the MSM is key.

Unfortunatly I agree with

Unfortunatly I agree with you. I am constantly having to re-educate my kids when they come home from school...considerably less since I have re-located but it still happens to a degree.

Snappy I'm happy to say my

Snappy I'm happy to say my daughter is now giving me examples of bias at school.  This is because we don't have as many frank discussions about sex as liberals have, we have frank discussions about politics, taxes, and what politicians do.  This is what we have to do because the examples she gives me of bias are kind of scarey in that I don't think a lot of kids realize the indoctrination they get at school

Rad... They

Rad...

They don't.

We've worked slowly with our kids over the years, it's worked so far, but unless parents pay attention, it goes right on by with the indoctrination they receive....college years for me were the worst with my son, he is finally seeing the light.

Life and time does that to a person...nothing like experience in the real world to wake one up with a brain that works and starts questioning.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Does Barack Obama actually want an Economic Recovery?

Barack Obama supporters can only be certain about things they DO NOT understand - everything else makes them indecisive and blind ideologues.

Everyone who still Supports Barack Obama or those who 'ObamaHope' that the economy will somehow recover, are all making the same basic mistake about Barack Obama.

They 'Feel' or think Barack Obama wants an economic recovery, before he finalizes his plans.

Many like Colin Powell, think Barack Obama is simply attempting too much at once, because of inexperience, naivety or possibly even lack of knowledge.

Many Barack Obama supporters think that the economic initiatives of Barack Obama or continuing those attempted by George Bush or a combination will somehow result in an economic recovery.

That thinking couldn’t be further from the Truth.

Barack Obama has effectively blocked anything that might help the economy or reduce unemployment and fueled anything that hurts the economy or raises unemployment.

ObamaCare that has popular support will probably be the death knell of the American economic system, with massive borrowing and spending, tightly coupled with higher taxes and inflation.

A Marxist/Socialist totalitarian Government with Barack Obama as ‘Supreme Leader’ is the goal.

The only ones NOT recognizing this appear to be most Americans.

"Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez said on Tuesday that he and Cuban ally Fidel Castro risk being more conservative than U.S. President Barack Obama as Washington prepares to take control of General Motors Corp.

During one of Chavez's customary lectures on the "curse" of capitalism and the bonanzas of socialism, the Venezuelan leader made reference to GM's bankruptcy filing....

"Hey, Obama has just nationalized nothing more and nothing less than General Motors.”

I'm so fvcking sick of

I'm so fvcking sick of hearing the lie/ignorant observation of how the economic downturn happened "under Bush's watch". 

The congress controls the budget, the regulating, and the spending, and henceforth it controls the government's influence on the economy.  The president can talk, propose, and pontificate all he wants, but in the end, it's congress. 

This happened on the watch of the Democrat majority in congress.  It happened under the helmsmanship of financial criminals like Frank, Dodd, and Rangel, all of whom make Bernie Madoff seem like he was running a shell game in a back alley by comparison.  And these very same Democrats are still in power and still responsible for the direction of the economy.

And they are still just as guilty now as they were 2 years ago.

GMay... Right you

GMay...

Right you are...and some of the very critters you named hold chairs in various committees that write these laws and are voted out of conference etc.

It's insulting.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Obama is a prime example of Liberal 'Progressive Insanity

Most humans try to understand complex systems and/or problems by using 'High Level Abstraction', or reducing each problem and/or system to the fewest components, so that each individual component may be analyzed and examined, bringing about an understanding of the complex problems or systems by their basic foundation or basic structure.

Barack Obama and Liberals use 'Low Level Abstraction' increasing the problems or systems to the highest number of components and then before any analysis begins, they begin to add components and then wait and see what happens before they begin to repeat the process.

The end result of the Barack Obama and Liberal approach, is that everything is now so confusing that NO one can understand the problems or systems - NOT even them.

This seems more of a method of Marxist thinking - an attempt to understand things as they are in complexity or will become in even more complexity, rather than some attempt to actually design or understand an existing system.

Notice Barack Obama and Liberals always want to add these components, by contending they are critical to any type of success, without anyone even reading or debating the components and then Obama explicitly or implicitly states that the new component or mix of components will be examined later.

Barack Obama and Liberals then term this 'Progress' and this becomes the underlying foundation of 'Liberal Progressives' (Liberalism).

RG... Wow. Nail on

RG...

Wow.

Nail on head.

I love how you write...let alone think.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Reagan went through this in

Reagan went through this in 1981?  I thought this was the worst since the Great Depression?  I guess whichever claim works best for whichever conversation eh?

Anyway, Reagan went thru a deep recession..........and what were his policies to get out of it?  The opposite of the current Socialist-in-Chief.  Obama wants more government.  Reagan wanted government smaller and out of people's way.  Obama wants to tax the piss out of anyone making over X dollars (the day and the issue changes the X).  Reagan cut the burden of taxes wherever possible.

Don't even compare Socialism/Communism/Fascism with the Capitalism of Reaganomics.  We emerged in 1983 a stronger, less tax burdened people.  We'll emerge (despite Obama, not because of) from Obamanomics, but as we're seeing, it will be at the expense of our liberties and the Constitution.  Obama is slowing the emergence and will continue to do so as he digs deeper for his utopian idea of no more American greatness the world has looked up to for decades.

"why shouldn't there be

"why shouldn't there be more patience from the Republican aisle"

Because the policies that Obama is pursuing are already known from prior experience to be a FAILURE.   No amount of time will cause them to succeed.  The policies Reagan adopted have been shown by prior experince to be successful.

 Shrum acts like we have no data about the the likely outcome of Obama's policy.  There is no doubt about the outcome.  Keynsian solutions have been tried in the past and have failed in the past.

If someone is poisoning your

If someone is poisoning your food so you die slowly and you know it, just be patient.

I seem to remember the big

I seem to remember the big thing was Trickle Down Economics doesnt work and will not from all the talking heads.  And the only way things are to get better is more taxes.  It seemed to me that everyone was saying it only benefited the rich, some tired old cliche huh but it works, and when was teh common man going to get his.

So when is teh common man going to get his in this economy?  I say he will never get it, especially if he voted for Duh One.

Reagan's Popularity

 
Reagan's popularity nosedived like Obama's is also what I remember.  But what I also remember was the constant negative drumbeat by the media to help it go down.  Also,the big spenders were still the same Democrats that are the big spenders today.  No change there.

Now they are in the O's corner, and his popularity is going down.  Maybe it means that the media don't really have an effect, or it may mean if they do that O's popularity would REALLY be hosed if it weren't for their constant plugging.  I believe the latter.

"What experience and history teach is
this - that people and governments never have learned anything from history,
or acted on principles deduced from it."


G. W. F. Hegel

or it may mean if they do

or it may mean if they do that O's popularity would REALLY be hosed if it weren't for their constant plugging.

I believe if the truth were to come out that Duh One would tank like a meteor hitting the moon.  The bias and press covering him is just as we predicted when President Bush was in office.  And they said it was just because he was in the Presidency.

Typical Liberal.

Doesn't understand (wnat to admit) that their are right answers and wrong answers to problems. He thinks that any "solution" is just as good as another. That's why it's so important that democrats "stick with the President". That's the lesson that he took away from the Reagan era. Not the economic or the foreign policy or the domestic policy lessons. Nope. In his mind the most important thing was that the republicans "stuck with Reagan. He apparently doesn't even understand or wish to admit WHY they stuck with him.

Throw 'da bums out!

no one re-elected who voted for socialism or debt

www.loyaltoliberty.com

The 2008 Detroit Lions of

The 2008 Detroit Lions of Presidential campaign management has spoken.  React accordingly.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best