It seems a metaphysical certitude that in the wake of Colin Powell's appearance on "Face the Nation" Sunday, most media outlets will pay great attention to the former Secretary of State's response to what Dick Cheney and Rush Limbaugh have said about his questionable Party allegiance.
Here are some of the early headlines:
- Powell Still a Republican, Despite Party Differences -- New York Times
- Powell to Republicans: Listen to moderates, too -- Associated Press
- Powell Takes on Cheney, Limbaugh in Battle for Republican Party -- Bloomberg
COLIN POWELL: And one point I have to make. It really comes out of the things that have been written lately. That is in the first year after 9/11, we did everything we could to stop the possibility of another 9/11. We put in place the PATRIOT Act. We used enhanced interrogation techniques. I shut down for the most part the visa system until we could fix it. But after about a year-and-a-half when it looked like things were relatively secure and we were doing a better job, then we started to relax the visa system once we fixed it because we can't keep moving in that direction with putting people in jail forever without resolving their cases. We're not letting people come to our country.So it was natural to start shifting back to our more normal ways of doing business and dealing with the rest of the world after we had achieved a level of security.
We are more secure. I mean, my Republican friends sort of get mad when I say we need government. People want effective, responsible government. Republicans have not cut much government even though talk about limited government and cutting government. We created the Department of Homeland Security. Needed. We created the Transportation Security Agency that guards our terminals where people go in and out. Needed. We created a director of national intelligence. Needed. The American people want to see a FEMA that takes care of us in hurricanes and tornadoes. The American people want to see federal regulators making sure we never get into the kind of financial problem we had last year. And we're working our way out of it.
So there is a need for government. What the American people want not just slogans, limited government. They want effective government. Government that works and just as much as we need. But if we need it, let's have it.
BOB SCHIEFFER, HOST: All right. Let me ask you this. The former vice president said he had no regrets about the methods that were used including waterboarding. He actually authorized it. He says they may have saved thousands of lives. I want to ask you two questions. Do you agree with that? That these techniques were effective?
And number two, when did you know about this business, general?
POWELL: When we started to examine these techniques I was in some meetings where they were discussed.
POWELL: I was not privy to the memos that were being written or the legal opinions that were being written.
I think it was unfortunate but we had a system that kept that in a very compartmented manner. And so I was apart that these enhanced interrogation techniques were being considered. And they were judged not to be torture at the time.
And when you were facing the possibility of a 9/11, you had to give some -- some flexibility to the CIA. But it was under the Bush administration that they stopped using these techniques back in 19 -- in 2003.
So obviously the CIA did not feel that we had anybody else in our custody that would need to have these techniques used. And as a result...
SCHIEFFER: Do you think they were effective?
POWELL: ... they haven't been used -- I have no idea. I hear that they were. I hear that they weren't. You see people from the FBI who come out and say, we got all of that information before any of that was done. I cannot answer that question.
And the problem is, I don't know what I don't know.
SCHIEFFER: Let me just ask you this. Jan Crawford Greenburg of ABC News reported last year that the top people in the administration, you, the secretary of state, the secretary of defense, the national security adviser, were actually brought in to meetings in the White House where these things were outlined. But you're saying you don't know -- at those meetings you're saying that nothing was (INAUDIBLE)?
POWELL: They were outlined. We were aware that these techniques were being discussed. And we were aware that legal opinions were being given that said they met the standard of the law.
But over time, now that we look at it, it's easy now in the cold light of day to look back and say, you shouldn't have done any of that. But as Mr. Cheney has said very, very often, as has President Bush and all of us, if we had another attack like 9/11, say on 9/11 a year later, nobody would have forgiven us for not doing everything we could.
And the CIA thought we needed those kinds of techniques but now we see that these are not appropriate.
Will that segment get much attention, or be overshadowed by the Powell-Cheney-Limbaugh conflict?
After all, what Powell said Sunday is that the Bush administration after 9/11 did what it thought was necessary to prevent another terrorist attack. More than that, if they hadn't, and there had been a recurrence, "nobody would have forgiven us for not doing everything we could."
And therein lies what the Left and their media minions continue to ignore about this issue: the former Administration did what it felt it needed to do to protect us, and castigating them for doing so now is absurd.
An online aggregator called All Headline News has noticed the importance of what Powell said late in this segment:
Powell did defend the Bush administration for using harsh interrogation methods against detainees following the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. He said the unprecedented nature of the attacks forced the administration to explore unique options.
Will mainstream press outlets also see the significance of this, and if they do, how will they report it?
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But Powell did say that
May 24, 2009 - 14:53 ET by ConservativeRexBut Powell did say that Rush would not get his wish, and that VP Cheney was mis-informed "I am still a Republican". To that I add, BS. He's no better then Specter. Everything he said after what he did about Cheney and Rush makes everything else moot. He still doesn't get it, we prefer Cheney and Rush over Bush. What the hell, nobody is listening anyway. Keep running and backing the RINO's and we'll be the worse for it.
I'm about done with these soft sided republican's anyway.
I said before that Powell
May 24, 2009 - 15:13 ET by motherbeltI said before that Powell is still a Republican the same way the Pelosi, Biden, Kennedy and Kerry say they are still Catholics. They just don't want to give up the name. That's all.
Why the heck didn't Schieffer ask him which Republican stands he actually agrees with? Or, who he would like to see run against Obama in 2012?
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
yes -
May 24, 2009 - 15:30 ET by katainkentTwo questions I certainly would have wanted answers to! Defining position/platform and not just name brand. Powell holds a lot of power if he retains the GOP tag. If he sheds it, he becomes just another Specter. I don't think Powell will put himself in position to answer those questions, either. The two party system continues to live but only in name. (Right now it's essentially Dem and Dem-lite.)
These are sad, sad choices for a fiscal conservative such as myself.
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Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past - George Orwell - 1984
"Listen to moderates"? What
May 24, 2009 - 15:22 ET by Chris Norman"Listen to moderates"? What are they saying? What are they proposing? They don't have any ideas of their own - they just react off of (mainly) conservative ideas: "That's going too far..." or liberal ideas: "That's spending a little too much". With moderates, it's not what they are, it's by their definition, what they are not. Moderates don't get counted much because they don't stand for much of anything. What was once said about Oakland is true about moderates: there's no "there" there.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Powell
May 24, 2009 - 15:22 ET by ThisisMattThree points:
Powell didn't say he voted for Dole or Nixon. He made clear his vote in 60, 64, 76, 80, 84, 88, 92, 2000, 2004, and 2008. Dole and Nixon represented the type of Republicans he says he prefers (strong on military with liberal social opinions).
Powell only provides the Republican party an asset if he actively supports Republican candates through the next Presidential election, and repeal his support, early, for Obama.
I listened to Powell's reasons for supporting Obama. It was based on his personal opinion developed over the last couple of months. Not on policy matters. He disagreed with Palin and McCain's early weakness on the banking crisis. He knew McCain for 25 years and based his decision on the last 2 months. Ouch. The pain is in the logic.
What leader of the
May 24, 2009 - 19:26 ET by ThisnThatWhat leader of the Republican party votes for the top of the Dim party during a presidential election? Powell is not a Republican, simply based upon that fact alone. Every day citizens can vote for the opposite party -- but not the Republican leadership. That's just not done.
And Powell would not get this type of attention if he announced he was a Democrat. The MSM wouldn't be able to play their "moderate republican" card anymore, and would lose all interest in Powell.
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Liberals constantly demand that we accept a glaring falsehood as truth; Obama's elimination of the word "terror" will make terrorist acts less terrifying
Powell being used
May 25, 2009 - 06:13 ET by motherbeltAnd Powell would not get this type of attention if he announced he was
a Democrat. The MSM wouldn't be able to play their "moderate
republican" card anymore, and would lose all interest in Powell.
Damn skippy! You hit the nail on the head, T!
The Democrat Party has no need for another "spokesman."
But as a "moderate Republican" he fits their bill nicely.
Now who's "using" the black guy?
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
X
May 24, 2009 - 15:36 ET by serfer62If powell wasn't black he'd be a major in supply, the Iraqis would have been freed18 years ago and Scooter libby would not have had a trail.
Of course he won't switch parties, he saw what happened to spector
What defines a Republican?
May 24, 2009 - 15:37 ET by KC MulvilleThe Republican Party put out a platform. Nobody agrees with all of it. Obviously, if you agree with none of it, you can't possibly be a Republican. So the issue is how much of it you agree with.
And this is where Powell is in pure double-speak:
You can't say that you support the majority of the platform and that makes you Republican, but when the election happened, you tossed aside those considerations and voted for the best man. In this country, we vote for people, not policies. If he isn't satisfied with the policies and prefers to vote for people regardless of party, it's hard to see what makes him a Republican.
This is military-bureaucratic double-speak. I think Powell doesn't even realize how much he's contradicting himself.
Hey Noel...thank you for
May 24, 2009 - 15:46 ET by bigtimerHey Noel...thank you for having this here....
After I mentioned in your blog post about clicking it to this show when I didn't want to listen to Maher, I found the exact points you made more than interesting, I have some of this jotted down from this morning that I was going to mention later here today after I was through baking....which I am now...plus I was going to look for the link to the show also.
Anyway....this is very important....and like I told my husband, I wonder if anybody in the msm is going to catch this and make much points needed with these harsh techniques...that he knew all about himself, and sounds to me he very well approved of.
Anyway....so glad this is here...now I will have to wait a few days to see if anything comes of this.
Shieffer did a good job today in my opinion.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Does General Powell really
May 24, 2009 - 15:56 ET by maggieqpublicDoes General Powell really not know how to pronounce Rush Limbaugh’s last name?
Hi maggie... As
May 24, 2009 - 16:11 ET by bigtimerHi maggie...
As articulate as he usually is...he must know...it drove me nuts when he kept pronouncing his name as Limbow.
In my eyes it was intentional.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Hi BT... thought so....
May 24, 2009 - 16:24 ET by maggieqpublicHi BT... thought so.... neener, neener, neener, says the General.
Yahoo headline
May 24, 2009 - 16:13 ET by Dave PierreYahoo headline, Sun., 5/24/09, 2pm PDT:
"Refutes"? Ugh.
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DP... ...and that is how
May 24, 2009 - 16:24 ET by bigtimerDP...
...and that is how the talking heads will attempt to portray this too...ignoring the very words Powell said of course.
Reminds me of the circling of the wagons for Pelosi!
They never stop, ever.
The only ones that can stop this bull are the repubs who will speak out now...I'm sick of the silence...while these people get away with this all.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
At this point, Powell could
May 24, 2009 - 16:32 ET by fitzfongAt this point, Powell could say "grass is green", and I'm going to verify first. He has no credibility.
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill
Quickly becoming nobody
May 24, 2009 - 17:18 ET by slickwillie2001Folks, at one time Powell had the world in his hands. Both parties were terrified of him, he could have had either party's Presidential nomination had he made a half-hearted stab at it. He was likely offered the VP slot more than once. How many people could ever have done that? He used the wife excuse at one time, but I just no longer believe that. He could have easily won any vacant Senate seat since, had he run. His reluctance to actually do anything serious has pissed away untold political capital that he can never get back. In the history of politics has anyone ever done this?
sw...
May 24, 2009 - 17:23 ET by bigtimerNobody I can think of right off-hand.
You make some good points, I remember him using the wife excuse also...does make one ponder about all of this when you put it like you have.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Powell is essentially a
May 24, 2009 - 20:46 ET by fitzfongPowell is essentially a myth packaged as a legend...a PR creation. He cultivated an incredible reputation, but nobody could ever explain why. We were simply expected to accept his "greatness" as a given, and many did. Turns out his credentials are a house of cards.
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill
Are we going to see stories
May 24, 2009 - 17:21 ET by KevroyAre we going to see stories from the MSM concerning how Powell is creating divisivness in the GOP and Republicans just want him to shut up and go away?
Kevroy... LOL..yeah...when
May 24, 2009 - 17:28 ET by bigtimerKevroy...
LOL..yeah...when pigs fly!
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Powell the Cretin
May 24, 2009 - 19:50 ET by slickwillie2001Here's a nice shot at Powell, re the Plame case: Powell the Cretin: http://spectator.org
I'm still burned over what Fitz did to Libby.
I don't want to kick Powell
May 24, 2009 - 20:07 ET by buddycI don't want to kick Powell out of the Republican party. I just don't want to be in the same party he is in. So Colin just make up your fricking mind. Be a Republican or be a democrat so I can join the other party.
I call Powell a LIAR for him to say he is a republican. He is a racists first before he is a member of any party.
Colin what is the "we" bull$t?
→ Don't worry, buddyc
May 24, 2009 - 20:14 ET by Cool ArrowTwo, three days, he fall off by himself.
Sometime in the future, the historians of the day...
May 24, 2009 - 20:45 ET by R D Helm...(and that is assuming the earth hasn't degenerated into a spherical Islamo-fascist wasteland) will be digging around looking for the things that ultimately brought about the demise of the greatest nation that ever existed.
I believe there will be two things that will figure most prominently in their findings:
1) Will be a piece of legislation that was actually a constitutional amendment.
2) Will be a person's name.
The constitutional amendment will be the 16th.
The name will be that of Barack Hussein Obama's.
Colin Powell turned his back on his supposed party and endorsed Barack Hussein Obama for POTUS.
At the end of the day, whether it was done for racial reasons, or some other reason, really doesn't matter, as I believe Obama is doing so much damage to this nation so rapidly that we are probably going to lose our status as the preeminent world power before he leaves office, and could very well lose far more than that.
Colin Powell has no business in the Republican Party, and neither do a whole lot of other people, particularly those who support any part of the Obama agenda.
Obama is hell bent on bringing about a for-real "post American" world. No sane, right-thinking American who truly believes in freedom and liberty should want to have any part in that.
-Dave
Agreed Dave
May 24, 2009 - 20:55 ET by BKeyserAt times I wish "The Conservative Party" would emerge, leaving behind those only principled enough to say what is needed to get, and then stay, elected. Yes, damage will be done if the GOP splits, almost guaranteeing that the Democrats will continue their dominance- at least for the short term. But, they will do so much damage to this country that eventually our party will emerge, taking the high road, and convincing the pitchfork-carrying voters to peacefully vote the GOP and Dems out of office, and fill its halls with Conservatives- true small-government, low taxes, freedom-loving Americans. Until then, the GOP will continue giving cover to the Democrats and the Socialist agenda of President Soros.
Conservative
May 25, 2009 - 07:11 ET by GeneralAlI agree BK! I think the Conservatives and Libertarians should unite against these RINOS and Commiecrats! Eventually intelligent thinking people will see the difference and decide. The name Republican has too much baggage to carry thanks to the MSM and the country club members!
If we ran as a combined Conservatarian Party, we would be truly representing our values!
What does Colin Powell stand for?
May 24, 2009 - 21:38 ET by metaphorsbwithuI'm pretty clear on what Powell is against, right wing "extremists". I'm just confused about what he actually stands for. Didn't he endorse a "left-wing" extremist instead of the moderate Republican from his own Party?
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Sorry Powell but it's called free speech
May 24, 2009 - 22:11 ET by Lord ErondYou're entitled to be a RINO and Limbaugh is entitled to call you out on it. Sorry you don't like it but TS.
"Let him who would move the world, first move himself." -Socrates
"We sit together, the mountain and I, until only the mountain remains." -Li Po
"SCHIEFFER: Do you think
May 25, 2009 - 04:32 ET by jdhawk"SCHIEFFER: Do you think they were effective?
POWELL: ... they
haven't been used -- I have no idea. I hear that they were. I hear that
they weren't. You see people from the FBI who come out and say, we got
all of that information before any of that was done. I cannot answer
that question."
This just doesn't wash. Powell, as former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Secretary of State could easily have found out if, in fact, these techniques worked or not. If he wanted to, if could just pick up the phone and get the answer. He certainly knew it would come up in this interview. It just goes beyond reason that he doesn't know and is just not curious.
Earlier, he stated that the enhanced interrogation techniques were not considered torture at the time. If it was compartmented and he wasn't read in, then how does he know this?
Also, correct me if I am wrong, but he states, "But it was under the Bush administration that they stopped using these techniques back in 19 -- in 2003." This is SIGNIFICANT. He is stating that these techniques that haven't been used in SIX years? How does he know that they haven't been used in six years, but doesn't know their effectiveness?
He must think that we are stupid as he is . . .
Sad About Powell
May 25, 2009 - 06:57 ET by GeneralAlAll of this interview with "The General" is hot air! He dances around all the talk about enhanced interrogation and refuses to acknowledge whether it worked or not! he makes it clear throughout that though he was among them, he was not one of them!
POWELL: When we started to examine these techniques I was in some meetings where they were discussed.
POWELL: I was not privy to the memos that were being written or the legal opinions that were being written.
Yup! Don't blame me whatever you do!
Furthermore, I love the way he refers to Obama as "The better candidate!" That may be true General, but what about a better President? Oh yes, I forgot! Obama has a state of the art teleprompter to think for him!
Rockefeller Republican
May 25, 2009 - 14:57 ET by ScottyDogColin Powell belongs to the same elitist wing of the RNC that gave us John McCain and Specter. It was because of these people that I no longer call myself a republican but I am still a conservative. As Ronald Reagan said, the Republican Party left me I did not leave the RNC.
Colin Powell voted for Barry Soetoro because like him he is an affirmative action baby. Powell voted for him based on his race only. He has no conservative principles and is an inside the beltway one world order elitist.
I hope the RNC door does hit him in his ass and he can take people like the McCain's with him.