For several years NewsBusters has been informing readers of Nobel Laureate Al Gore's profit motive as it pertains to his advancement of global warming hysteria.
This included the presentation of a video of the former Vice President disclosing in March 2008 what investments he's personally made in companies that will benefit from any legislation designed to curb carbon dioxide emissions.
This admission garnered virtually no mainstream media coverage from global warming obsessed press members when it was first uncovered last April.
So great is their devotion to this cause that when Gore was asked about his financial interests in pending cap and trade legislation at a recent hearing of the House Energy and Commerce Committee (video embedded right), his heated exchange with a representative from his home state went completely ignored by America's television news divisions until conservative radio host Laura Ingraham and Climate Depot's Marc Morano discussed it on Friday's "O'Reilly Factor" (video and transcript embedded below the fold followed by additional comments on the subject):
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LAURA INGRAHAM, GUEST HOST: In the "Personal Story" segment tonight, it seems that being green does pay big time. Just ask Al Gore. Mr. Global Warming was worth about $2 million or so when he left office in 2001. But after eight years of tirelessly working to save the world, the planet, he is reportedly worth, get this, a whopping $100 million. His financial windfall came up at last week's Capitol Hill hearing.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
REP. MARSHA BLACKBURN, (R) KY: Is the legislation that we are discussing here today -- is that something that you are going to personally benefit from?
AL GORE, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT: If you believe that the reason I have been working on this issue for 30 years is because of greed, you do not know me. I have been willing to put my money where my mouth is. Do you think there is something wrong with being active in business in this country?
BLACKBURN: I am simply asking for clarification of the relationship.
GORE: I am proud of it. I am proud of it.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
INGRAHAM: Did she get the question actually answered? With us now, Marc Morano, he is the executive editor of climatedepot.com. Marc, that was kind of a hot hearing with Al Gore and the congresswoman. Tell us what we need to know about Al Gore's relationship to a business that will seek to profit off of any kind of cap and trade legislation.
MARC MORANO, CLIMATEDEPOT.COM: As you mentioned, Al Gore went from $2 million up to $100 million according to Bloomberg.
INGRAHAM: He did a lot of things, though. Speaking .
MORANO: Speaking, other investments. Absolutely. Yes. I also think he is motivated beyond money. He is an ideologue. He is a committed believer. It is not there he -- it is not fair to say he's doing it for the money. But this is big business in Washington. There are four climate lobbyists for every member of Congress. That's how bad it's gotten.
But Al Gore, she mentioned the law firm Kleiner and Perkins. Al Gore is a partner in a firm which vested $1 billion in 40 different firms. When government mandates come down the road, this is going to increase the company's business and portfolio and the amount of profit, Al Gore, according to Dick Lindsen (ph), one of the scientists at MIT who Al Gore has criticized. Al Gore wants to become the first carbon billionaire. And he is poised to do it. He has the Alliance for Climate Protection. He has his other groups in the U.K., Generation Investment Management. Both of these groups, one has pledged to spend $300 million to promote a climate - promote government policy that will force carbon markets and carbon trading where Al Gore is essentially either a founder or a partner in a whole wide range of groups, including in Chicago and in the U.K., stock market carbon trading, where he is poised to benefit incredibly. As much as he's made now is going to be piker league compared to what he is going to make in five years if all these new carbon trading mandates go through.
INGRAHAM: It reminds me of the GE joint venture that GE is going to be involved with or is involved with that also - GE will make billions perhaps if cap and trade goes through. THE FACTOR has been over this but there should be an advisory on the screen anytime the report on cap and trade because of their interest in the ultimate outcome of the legislation.
Look, I agree with you. Al Gore is -- he was wealthy before. I am not sure that is the motivation. That is not the point here. The point is there is personal interest that he did not want to talk about it for good reason, I think.
MORANO: The promotion of man made climate fear -- Some estimates have been up to 50 billion since 1990 spent for the United Nations foundations. NBC gave Al Gore something like 75 hours free TV time, 75 hours for his live birth concert, I believe it was. There is all kinds of ways he is benefiting.
INGRAHAM: That's still going on?
MORANO: The bottom line is, the money is all on the side of promotion. Exxon Mobil gets excoriated for $19 million allegedly given to skeptical groups. Well, one USDA farm grant of $20 million to study how farm odors contributed to global warming exceeded all the money the largest oil company has ever been accused of getting. This is big business. The environmental groups are just chomping at the bit for what is about to happen. He who controls carbon controls life. It is a bureaucrat's dream to control carbon in Washington.
INGRAHAM: And don't call it cap and trade. Call it global warming tax.
MORANO: Global warming tax. Absolutely.
INGRAHAM: Marc, great to see you.
MORANO: Thank you.
Readers are advised to review Morano's post and transcript of this segment which includes links to all the points he made during his discussion with Ingraham.
With that in mind, it is indeed fascinating that despite the attention Gore gets from his fans in the media whenever he's in front of a camera, this exchange with Blackburn went so ignored.
After all, for the past several years, any time oil executives were dragged in front of Congress to explain why gas prices were so high, the profits of their companies as well as their own personal compensation were always front and center. Ditto when Wall Street bank and brokerage firm executives testified to Congress since the financial crisis began AND when those in the automobile industry were so summoned.
In fact, such pompous and self-aggrandizing attacks on greed and personal financial gain were always guaranteed to make it onto the evening news programs as well as the front pages of newspapers from coast to coast.
Yet, when a former Vice President is asked on Capitol Hill about his personal financial connection to pending legislation, that's not newsworthy.
Why?
Gore's supporters in the press and the liberal blogosphere would defend this omission by claiming he has no personal financial connection, and that therefore makes it a red herring.
This, of course, is absurd, as Gore himself disclosed his investments in March 2008:
AL GORE: There are a lot of great investments you can make. If you are investing in tar sands, or shale oil, then you have a portfolio that is crammed with sub-prime carbon assets. And it is based on an old model. Junkies find veins in their toes when the ones in their arms and their legs collapse. Developing tar sands and coal shale is the equivalent. Here are just a few of the investments I personally think make sense. I have a stake in these so I’ll have a disclaimer there. But geo-thermal concentrating solar, advanced photovoltaics, efficiency, and conservation.
As Gore spoke these words, pictures of electric cars, windmills and solar panels appeared in multiple slides on the screen with company names at the bottom such as Amyris (biofuels), Altra (biofuels), Bloom Energy (solid oxide fuel cells), Mascoma (cellulosic biofuels), GreatPoint Energy (catalytic gasification), Miasole (solar cells), Ausra (utility scale solar panels), GEM (battery operated cars), Smart (electric cars), and AltaRock Energy (geothermal power).
Please bear in mind that he didn't say that his non-profit had a stake in these investments as he told Blackburn on April 24. He said, "I have a stake in these so I’ll have a disclaimer there."
When was he telling the truth: last March in front of a conference in Monterey, California, as he was recommending to attendees how they should invest their money, or when caught off guard by a member of Congress?
Shouldn't so-called journalists have been interested in this, especially given a March 6 article by Bloomberg:
Add it all up, and not only did Gore himself admit last year that he has personal investments in green companies that will benefit from cap and trade legislation, but he apparently has a $35 million investment in "hedge funds and other private partnerships" that invest "in makers of environmentally friendly products."Former U.S. Vice President Al Gore left the White House seven years ago with less than $2 million in assets, including a Virginia home and the family farm in Tennessee. Now he's making enough to put $35 million in hedge funds and other private partnerships.
Gore invested the money with Capricorn Investment Group LLC, a Palo Alto, California, firm that selects the private funds for clients and invests in makers of environmentally friendly products, according to a Feb. 1 securities filing. Capricorn was founded by billionaire Jeffrey Skoll, former president of EBay Inc. and an executive producer of Gore's Oscar-winning documentary film on global warming.
Seems to debunk Gore's claim that his investments in such entities are exclusively through his non-profit organization.
And what of those investments? Should they be exempted from press scrutiny? After all, it's his non-profit. He controls the funds.
Furthermore, by moving any income and/or profits that he makes from his connection to the venture capital firm Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers as well as capital gains from his investments into his non-profit, he completely avoids taxation on them while still retaining complete control.
As I have maintained from my first article concerning this matter, it is not my suggestion that Gore is doing anything wrong. Instead, as the left and their media minions boldly eschew profits and wealth-creation whilst always assuming those involved in such endeavors are doing so illegally and/or immorally, why does the Global-Warmingest-in-Chief get a pass?
For more than six years we've been told by the left and their media minions that former President George W. Bush went to war in Iraq -- risking American lives no less!!! -- to assist his buddies in the oil patch as well as Vice President Dick Cheney's former employer Halliburton.
For more than four years we've been told that oil and gas prices are high because of the greed of executives in that industry. Since the financial crisis began last September, we've been told it was all the fault of greedy bank and brokerage firm executives.
Yet, when legislation that will cost Americans billions nay trillions of dollars is being discussed, the motives of a man that has ADMITTED his investments will benefit are not even remotely questioned by these same anti-capitalist and anti-free market journalists.
Why?
Before answering, consider the following statement Gore made to Blackburn on April 24:
I've been willing to put my money where my mouth is. Do you think there's something run with being active in business in this country? I'm proud of it.
To be sure, I don't think there's anything wrong with someone being active in business in this country. But for years, Democrats and their adoring press have depicted such activities as being greedy, and in the current pro-socialist environment, downright un-American.
With that in mind, I can't for a second imagine oil company or Wall Street executives getting a pass from the media after dismissing a member of Congress with such a comment, and don't understand why Gore did.
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.




















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Noel,I watched this
May 3, 2009 - 15:05 ET by Chris NormanNoel,
I watched this segment (The Factor is always more enjoyable sans O'Reilly). The clip of the congresswoman questioning Gore about his business interest in "cap 'n trade" and his huffy sanctimonious non-answer ("How dare you question my motives?") were, as you would say, "deeeee-licious". They stopped the clip there. I don't know if he ever answered her simple question - or if he could honestly.
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Take me to the Czech Republic.....
May 3, 2009 - 15:17 ET by Texndoc....where their President thinks Al Gore "has a mental problem".
Noel: What frustrates me
May 3, 2009 - 15:28 ET by QueenMumNoel: What frustrates me the most is that the people who really need to know about the truth refuse to watch FNN. (I don't know what they're afraid of. And it's not like FNN isn't polished, contemporary, and well-produced.) And Bill O'Reilly in particular is considered the devil incarnate by those who only listen to what the SlimeStream media tell them. Can we really expect to win the hearts and minds of the left one or two people at a time?
Anyhoo, thanks for the vids and transcript.
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QM,I think one thing
May 3, 2009 - 15:37 ET by Chris NormanQM,
I think one thing about Fox News is that their most prominent hosts are very flamboyant and are easy for liberals to caricature as bad guys. What makes them (to varying degrees) enjoyable for many to watch, turn others off - especially people who may be predisposed not to like them. They can't get around O'Reilly and Hannity to see that the straight news reporting is actually very very good.
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But Chris, how about the
May 3, 2009 - 15:47 ET by QueenMumBut Chris, how about the clowns on MSNBC, for instance? It seems the younger libs would be attracted to the flamboyant style you speak of. Or are you saying that O'Reilly and Hannity are too "in your face" with the conservative message? Actually, I think O'Reilly is much more "fair and "balanced" if you will.
And for the record, I don't care much for Hannity. I know his heart's in the right place. But he often ducks fair debate by interjecting his own repetitious talking points. I find his new show to be more tabloid in style than "H&C" and I don't really like it. Maybe it's a generation gap thing. ;)
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QM, Oh, I absolutely
May 3, 2009 - 16:58 ET by Chris NormanQM,
Oh, I absolutely agree about MSNBC - it's just that liberal aren't going to attack them. Besides, people have already voted with their remotes by switching off that train wreck of a pseudo news network. MSNBC is a self parody of liberal news bias. I'm not really even criticizing Fox News, I'm just making the observation that their most prominent hosts are easy to parody. Someone must like O'Reilly, Hannity, and Beck, seeing how popular they are compared to the other hapless cable news networks.
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what Fox cut from that video clip
May 3, 2009 - 15:47 ET by nicholas nicklebyBesides the Fox News version, I suggest everyone also watch the youtube version that Noel helpfully posted--because Fox cut out a pretty significant chunk of Gore's answer.
Here's the actual exchange between Blackburn and Gore, with what Fox News left out bolded:
I like that, not only did they cut out his direct answer (no, I don't profit, every penny goes back into further non-profit green investments), but they cut out his use of her title (Congresswoman), to make his response to her look even snippier.
For the record, I think Noel has a point, that we should be interested in where the money goes so that we know the whole story--but to try to cut out Gore's direct response, as Fox News did, that's not really going to help tell the whole story.
(Also, I do like how both Morano and Ingraham (mostly) agree that profit isn't really the motive here: Morano notes that Gore is a true ideologue--"I also think he is motivated beyond money"--and Ingraham says "he was wealthy before. I am not sure that is the motivation." And yet, Noel, you put "profit motive" in the headline, even though your witnesses argue against it, even with their edited clip of Gore's testimony--what's that about?)
Gore may be "plowing 100%
May 3, 2009 - 17:09 ET by Chris NormanGore may be "plowing 100% of the money back" into his non-profit organization. However, the fact remains that his personal fortune has shot up dramatically in his years out office. I don't think his part time teaching job at Harvard paid that well. Seeing how he has devoted himself with messianic zealousness to the GW issue he himself practically invented, it does beg the question: will he be profiting directly if the "solution" he is promoting becomes law (heaven help us all)? If he was a Republican, and this issue and solution was seen as a conservative cause, the answer to this question would be demanded and he would be on trial in the media.
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Google, Apple, other investments
May 3, 2009 - 17:20 ET by nicholas nicklebyHi Chris,
The other thing that the Fox News segment left out (although this might just be that they don't know about it, rather than purposefully editing it, as they did with his answer to Blackburn) is that Gore has several other investments that are not directly tied in to his environmental activism. For instance, he's been involved with Google since before they went public; he's a board-member of Apple, Inc; he charges quite a bit for speaking fees (un-related to touring with "An Inconvenient Truth"); he also has a cable company and an asset-management firm.
So, you're right, Chris, Gore has made a lot of money post-2000, but it's not from his green investments--it's mostly from his tech investments. (There's a bad joke in there somewhere, something like "inventing the internet finally paid off.")
Could be. However, I am not
May 3, 2009 - 18:10 ET by Chris NormanCould be. However, I am not nearly as ready as you to blithely take Al Gore's word merely on his say-so.
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chris and nickey
May 3, 2009 - 18:22 ET by botghere's the thing, to a large degree the details are not the relevant aspect of this. What is relevant is the utter lack of of the so-called unbiased journalists investigating what those facts are. If this were Dan Qualye they'd be interviewing his accountant, digging through his tax filings etc.
and we both know it
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botg,I agree - that's
May 3, 2009 - 18:38 ET by Chris Normanbotg,
I agree - that's what I was talking about in my first reply. I said if Gore was a Republican advocating for a conservative solution to what was perceived as a Republican issue - his motivations (and his profits) would be on trial in the media and Congress. Heck, he would have already been declared "guilty" with no chance of proving himself innocent. When someone advances a political/social issue, and he makes a lot of money in the process that can be linked to that issue, his simple denial should not be enough to let the question drop - especially when the "solution" is going to cost the citizenry and the economy untold amounts of money. We're asking that Gore be treated no better or worse than the media (and the Congress) would treat a Republican if he/she were in the same position. After all, it was the Left and the media who questioned Bush/Cheney's connection to oil and the war in Iraq. It was the Left who impugned Dick Cheney's motivations in relation to Haliburton. It was the sanctimonious Al Gore who loudly crucified George W Bush for "betraying his country".
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i agree
May 3, 2009 - 18:41 ET by nicholas nicklebySure, Chris, I think Gore's investments should be made public, and I wouldn't mind some evidence to back up his words.
I was just pointing out that this Fox News report is biased and a little cowardly since they didn't have the guts even to report his words (when he denied the connection).
I admit I'm new to the discussion...
May 3, 2009 - 19:37 ET by Tailgunner...but didn't Fox's omission actually help Gore by minimizing the general tone and hostility of his response to the questioner?
Why would Fox be consciously 'biased' in favor of Gore?
I've heard Fox called a lot of things, but I haven't yet heard 'cowardly'.
Democrats have a corner on the market in that commodity.
NOLO PUGNARE ME OCCIDERE
we're all new--it's a new discussion
May 3, 2009 - 20:18 ET by nicholas nicklebyHey Tailgunner,
As for calling this FNC report cowardly--just to point out, I didn't call Fox News cowardly because I'm not sure who made this edit: it might have been some producer working on his own, or it might have been Ingraham telling the producer what to do, or ... someone else. I don't know who made the decision, but it's a decision that I think is cowardly.
Why do I say that? Someone who had the courage of their convictions would take a look at the evidence and argue with/against it--someone who tampers with the evidence is someone who is afraid that they might be on the wrong side.
As for Ingraham's cut: in the original, Gore gives a clear answer and then says that no one who knew him would think that he's in it for the money; in Ingraham's version, he doesn't give a clear answer. His clear answer isn't particularly hostile--it's a clear answer.
But even if it was hostile, Fox's cut is journalistically suspect since they cut out his actual answer. I mean, if he's being hostile, it's not Fox News' job to make him look good--since they brought up the issue of what his answer was it's their job to report his answer.
Either FNC's editing policy is arguably in need of improvement..
May 3, 2009 - 20:34 ET by Tailgunner...or it's a sinister attempt to make Al Gore look good.
And I have a difficult time believing the latter.
It appears you're more willing to entertain this novel possibility.
Would you stop by Media Matters on the way home and tell them FNC is no longer a right-wing organ for the GOP? Thank you.
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delightful, a new smear
May 3, 2009 - 20:55 ET by nicholas nicklebyhi tg,
I think you maybe didn't read my last paragraph where I talked about how Ingraham's cut doesn't make Gore look better. Watch the videos for yourself, make up your own mind.
I'll be sure to pass on your message to MMA.
'Smear'?
May 3, 2009 - 21:38 ET by TailgunnerI hope I didn't hurt your feelings...well, actually, I'm totally indifferent to the possibility.
My understanding is that Gore came out looking better because of FNC's editing of his Congressional testimony.
Leaving out Gore's claim that he puts 'every penny' into a nonprofit actually helped him retain credibility; an informed viewer (read: regular FNC viewer) would recognize this statement as evasive at least.
It's common knowledge by now (thanks to NB et al) that Gore's personally invested millions in the environmental 'green' industry.
Is it just because Gore's a great guy?
Why should we NOT assume a 'profit motive'?
He wants a return on his investment just like every other businessman. But Gore seems to think it important to hide his likely incredible profits from the public and the media.
And why is every AGW skeptic assumed, by default, to be motivated ONLY by profit...usually by the 'energy industry'?
If you're trying to indict Laura Ingraham and FNC, you're on pretty thin ice as far as I'm concerned.
And if you're trying to use one instance of FNC 'bias', as you claim, to hold up against hundreds of proven, intentional, vicious MSM hit jobs, you're wasting your time...and mine.
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what we can agree on
May 3, 2009 - 18:37 ET by nicholas nicklebybotg,
whatever else we disagree on, I think we can agree that Fox News edited out the bulk of Gore's answer to Congresswoman Blackburn.
Now, you can say that if the situation was reversed then MSNBC would be distorting facts about a Republican--I won't argue with that hypothetical right now.
But that's hardly a defense of what Ingraham did here! To say that you want unbiased reporting is great--I'm right there with you. Let's start with calling this Fox News report what it is: total bs.
I mean, you can say, at the same time, (1) that this Fox News report is bs AND (2) that you want unbiased journalism both from MSNBC and Fox News (and CNN, Time, etc.). Will you join with me on that, botg?
NN,How often, pray
May 3, 2009 - 18:53 ET by Chris NormanNN,
How often, pray tell, does any news show air some polticians comments in their entirety? How long would the segment last? Liberals try to filibuster these discussions when they are on the set - why let them filibuster on tape? Ingraham aired the pertinent Al Gore statements in which he defended himself in the most firm terms. That was fair. Both Ingraham and her guest speculatively granted that Al Gore is motivated by his true beliefs as much as any financial profits he may derive. I think that their treatment of Gore was far more fair than any Republican has ever received on those kangaroo trials on MSNBC, CNN or the other networks - in fact their is no comparison.
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Chris
May 3, 2009 - 18:54 ET by Noel SheppardChris,
Exactly. This is a PATHETIC position on his part, but we're used to that. ns
editing is common--editing out the answer is not
May 3, 2009 - 19:17 ET by nicholas nicklebyChris,
If I asked you a question, ignored your answer, and then told some third party that you didn't really answer me--I would hope that you'd call me on that as bs.
You're right that comments aren't shown in their entirety, but they're also not ignored in their entirety by professional journalists (as opposed to professional BSers). What Ingraham did was basically cut from the question to Gore's final comments, completely cutting out his substantive answer, which was that all the profits go back into the non-profit work.
Let me turn this around: you say that comments don't get shown in their entirety--then why air his final comment ("if you believe...") rather than the substantive part of his answr ("every penny that I have made, I have put right into a non-profit")? That's shoddy journalism, to ignore the actual answer and focus on something else he said that only partly answers the question (and then have the gall to say "Did she get the question actually answered?").
Come on, are you going to argue that that wasn't shoddy journalism?
nn
May 3, 2009 - 18:49 ET by Noel Sheppardnn,
Do me a favor -- stop channeling Media Matters here. After all, they didn't play all of what Blackburn said, either. Does that bother you?
The entire segment was four minutes. Should they have spent over half the time playing the full exchange between Gore and Blackburn RATHER than discussing the exchange?
Furthermore, the point of MY post was that this didn't get covered AT ALL by ANY ONE!!! As is typical, you floated a red herring to distract everyone from the point!!! Adios. ns
I thought you'd call her on her BS
May 3, 2009 - 19:09 ET by nicholas nicklebyOnce again, Noel, I get most of my info from Washington Monthly, not Media Matters.
Now, to your substantive question: should they play the whole thing? No, but they should play the parts that have to do with the subject under discussion. Blackburn asked if he made money from his green investments--Gore said no, it all goes back into non-profit investments.
Ingraham cut the part where he answered, and then asked Morano if we ever got an answer. That's bs--such bs, I'm surprised that you didn't call her on it yourself since you posted the original exchange as well.
And you're right, more people should be talking about this, but the way to get people to investigate the whole story is not by falsifying your side of it. Ingraham could have simply said "Gore says X, but where's the proof?" Once people watch the exchange, see that Ingraham totally whiffed her journalistic integrity--well, who is going to take this seriously now?
I don't think I floated a red-herring, although I like the fish/float combo there (it would have to be a dead herring to float, right?). I just pointed out that if people are going to talk about this--and they should--they shouldn't be falsifying their side of the argument so much.
As to your point about how no one is talking about this, in my original post I said "Noel has a point." We don't have an argument about that--we have an argument about (1) how you seem to take Ingraham's show as a starting point and ignore the fact that she's totally playing with the evidence, and (2) how you titled your piece about Gore's "profit motive" even though both Ingraham and Morano sort of state that there's something besides a profit motive at work here.
Those are my two problems with your post, but I agree with you that possible profits should be investigated. (That was the problem with those military talking-heads on the news who had contracts with various companies.)
nn
May 3, 2009 - 19:31 ET by Noel Sheppardnn,
You're obfuscating again, for whatever Laura played of his response, unless it was in its entirety, you and the shills you get your information from would have claimed it cherry picking.
In the end, Laura aired two sentences of Marsha's question, and five sentences of Gore's answer, but that's not enough for you, is it?
Meanwhile, I included THE ENTIRE video of the exchange in my teaser, didn't I? Hmmm?
As for getting this from Washington Monthly, please provide a link. I don't see anything on this subject there, but I do find your same complaint at MMA: http://mediamatters.org/research/200905010049
As for Marc and Laura's position about Gore's motive, I don't disagree at all: he's an ideologue who's advancing a political agenda to make a lot of money regardless of how it negatively impacts his followers who will end up bearing the brunt of any cap and trade legislation just as the lower and middle classes in Europe are finding out. ns
I didn't argue with you about the original exchange
May 3, 2009 - 20:05 ET by nicholas nicklebyNoel,
I know you put the original video up there--it's in my first post where I noted that you helpfully posted the original video and I suggested people watch both to see how Ingraham skips the important part of Gore's answer. So, that's not an argument we're having.
The argument we're having is that I think Ingraham cut the important part of Gore's answer ("every penny that I have made, I have put right into a non-profit") and you think that she played enough of his answer because she showed 5 sentences (two of which were "I am proud of it. I am proud of it"). Now, I would argue that quantity matters less than quality here: He answered Blackburn's question very succinctly, and Ingraham cut his answer--and it doesn't matter that they gave him 5 sentences, since they cut out the single sentence that would really answer Blackburn's question.
If we don't agree on that, that's fine. Other people might not agree here either, but they deserve to know that Fox News cut out a portion of his response--they should decide for themselves whether it was fair of Ingraham to do so (or if it's fair only because conservatives get smeared all the time--so why shouldn't it be equal opportunity distortion?).
(As for my providing a link, I didn't think I had to since all the info I needed was here (thanks to that video you put up in the teaser), but here's a link to the Washington Monthly article: http://www.washingto... . You'll note that it doesn't say anything about Ingraham, but when I read your post, I remembered this article, and posted what was missing from Ingraham's video. I then Googled a little to find out the information about Gore's Google and Apple investments, which go a way towards explaining why he's done so well in the past 9 years--another fact that the FNC people didn't mention. But, as I've said, that could just be them not knowing, whereas editing the video to leave out his actual answer is a more active sort of distortion.)
every penny i made i put in
May 3, 2009 - 20:10 ET by botgevery penny i made i put in a tax-shelter?
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that's a discussion we could have.
May 3, 2009 - 20:22 ET by nicholas nicklebyhey botg,
that's a discussion we could have, about the possibility that Gore is somehow going to make a profit from his non-profits.
But first, just so I'm clear on this: are you willing to call Ingraham's cut bs? Or do you think it was fair?
nn
May 3, 2009 - 20:35 ET by Noel Sheppardnn,
Well, which do you believe: what Gore told a conference in Monterey, California, when he was advising people what they should invest in, or what he said on national television in front of a Congressional committee? Call me skeptical, but I believe his first answer.
Yet, even this is a smokescreen as I made very clear in my piece. It doesn't matter whether or not he's investing his private funds or funds in his non-profit because it's HIS non-profit. He controls the money. He names his salary. He determines what expenses of his get paid by this entity. Are you REALLY so naive that you think that if you have your own non-profit organization that YOU aren't benefiting from it?
Beyond this, he has claimed in the past that his salary from KPCB goes to his non-profit. However, the REAL money to be made from a VC firm is when privately held companies it is nurturing come public. Gore has NEVER said anything about that, and the media have NEVER questioned him. This could represent hundreds of millions of profit to Gore if cap and trade goes through.
As for how much of Gore's fortune is in Google and Apple stock, according to the December 2007 piece that first exposed Al's net worth as being $100 million, about $36 million was in those stocks: http://www.fastcompa....
Where did the other $63 million increase since he left the White House come from, Nick? At all curious?
Furthermore, even this is a red herring, for the point is how much he will make if cap and trade goes through and all the investments he's made in green companies explode! ns
yes, I am curious, Noel
May 3, 2009 - 20:52 ET by nicholas nicklebyNoel,
I am curious about Gore's money--that's why I agreed with you about how we should have transparency when it comes to what people stand to profit by their testimony (not just testimony to congress, but as talking-heads to the media as well, cf. the military talking head scandal--that not many people talked about).
But that doesn't change the fact that this FNC report did a bad job maintaining its journalistic integrity. You can agree with me on that without giving Gore a pass. Do you agree that FNC played a little too fast and loose with this tape?
I ask because, in fact, I think this FNC report actually hurts your cause more than it helps get your message out--that is, because of the way Ingraham played with the tape, this report is going to be easily dismissed by most people (imho). That is, the left may never listen to FNC, but there's a large number of people who are in the middle who might listen--except, what are they going to hear now? They're going to hear that FNC edited a tape to obscure Gore's answer--and likely, once it's shown that FNC is not entirely to be trusted on this one, they're going to give Gore that pass that you don't want him to get.
I think that making sure journalists do their job even when you agree with them (as you said you did with Morano and Ingraham) is just as important as making sure they do their job when you don't agree with them.
This was my first and main concern with your post. We could argue about the other $63 million, and we could argue about how much he gets paid by his non-profit (if he gets paid), but that would all be speculation until we get that transparency that you and I both want.
But the way to get that transparency is not to muddy the water as Ingraham did by editing that tape.
There, now we have at least 3 water/fish metaphors/cliches in this thread--I think that's enough for one night.
Nick
May 3, 2009 - 21:21 ET by Noel SheppardNick,
I don't know. I had seen MM's complaint about this segment before I started writing my piece, and wasn't really bothered by the editing. After all, it's pretty obviously edited. There's a flash of light between his first sentence and his second making it awfully clear there was an edit. You disagree?
The bottom line is that the shills at MM would have found something in this segment to complain about, because that's what they do -- and that's why I have absolutely no respect for them.
That said, does this hurt "my cause?" Which cause might that be? If you mean telling the truth, as I included the entire exchange between Gore and Blackburn in my teaser, I feel "my cause" is quite safe, thank you very much.
As for who may or may not watch FNC as a result of this, you're kidding, right? Haven't you heard that Fox's ratings continue to skyrocket? You think this editing will interfere with the network's popularity? Interested in some swampland in Florida, Nick? ns
or maybe a brick painted gold? that sounds nice.
May 3, 2009 - 22:20 ET by nicholas nicklebyHey Noel,
I'm more in the market for a bridge, like a really big suspension bridge, somewhere out east. You got any leads on one of those?
As for the FNC edit, I'm not complaining because they snuck in it in, but because they cut the clearest answer to the question that they're examining; if they're examining whether Gore makes money from his investments, they should report that he said no to Blackburn (since that's the clip they had). (And maybe they should go on, as you did here, to look at other answers he's given. But to leave the clearest answer he gave on the cutting-room floor seems like bias to me.)
As for talk of "your cause"--which was a little presumptuous of me, but you'll tell me if I'm wrong, I'm sure--what I meant was not so much about truth-telling in the abstract, but about helping inform voters particularly. That is, you might say that FNC is one of the most trust-worthy news-sources--but here, they've made themselves look less than trust-worthy, which might well result in less people believing what they hear from FNC in the future.
Now, the committed Fox News viewer might not even know or care about the edit; and I think the ratings put FNC at a 2.6m audience, which is a lot of people--but not enough to win a national election all by themselves. In order to win elections, the people who watch and trust FNC are going to need to convince people who don't watch FNC. And the people who don't watch FNC, if they hear about Al Gore's testimony at all, aren't going to hear the FNC version; they'll probably hear a different version, or if they do hear the FNC version, they're also going to hear about how FNC cut the tape--which means that you have a potential voter (as opposed to the left-wing person, who was never a potential voter) who now links FNC with a certain amount of untrustworthiness. So now you have a potential voter who is less likely to believe the FNC.
And if FNC is the best source for trust-worthy news--but many people (who might have trusted them) don't trust them because of the occasional bad move like this one--then people will continue to vote without regard to the good work FNC does in uncovering some news that other networks don't.
(And, of course, there's also no guarantee that the 2.6m who watch actually believe it in the first place.)
Nick
May 3, 2009 - 22:32 ET by Noel SheppardNick,
I think you're overstating things. Dramatically so. How many people do you think are going to hear or read about this edit job? How many Fox viewers read Media Matters? How do you envision people hearing about this interview between a conservative radio host that they may or may not be familiar with and a former communications director for a Senator they've never heard of?
Beyond that, how many folks do you think are REALLY going to be shocked that a news outlet edited a politician's answer?
Honestly, Nick, you're either playing with me for the heck of it, or you need to back away from the chianti. :-)
Something else to consider are the recent polls finding the public not only losing interest in AGW as a serious priority, but also believing media have hyped the heck out of it.
It's time to face facts, Nick -- your side is running out of time on this issue. If cap and trade isn't enacted this year -- and that seems likely -- and temperatures continue to cool -- which also seems likely -- Al Gore is destined to lose A LOT of money, and all the climate alarmists on college payrolls are going to be out of work.
Won't it be glorious? :-) ns
ha!
May 3, 2009 - 23:22 ET by nicholas nicklebyNoel,
I think you're overstating things.
I was actually thinking the same thing. :)
(Oh, and it's not chianti--it's a very dark beer.)
I still think Ingraham made a mistake with the edit they showed of Gore's answer; but I agree with your main point that some transparency is needed in terms of money.
As for whether AGW itself is real, that seems like a whole other kettle of fish (that's 4 fish/water cliches!).
Well, there's some improvement...
May 4, 2009 - 09:45 ET by Tailgunner'I still think Ingraham made a mistake with the edit they showed of Gore's answer...'
Two posts ago it was an Ingraham/Fox/VRWC plot to undermine Saint Albert Gore the Green.
Can we move on to the 'aggravated battery on a deceased equine' cliches now?
NOLO PUGNARE ME OCCIDERE
Al Gore
May 3, 2009 - 23:33 ET by merlin61Noel, I agree with you about Gore's motives. He 's
out to make a lot of money. Why else is he
promoting this global warming and/or climate
change theory. It has been disproved by many,
many scientists that it is not caused by mankind.
He's not the only one, interested in getting ahold
of our money and its going to cost us enormously
in taxation.
Well he may be 'plowing' all profits into a nonprofit...
May 3, 2009 - 19:14 ET by Tailgunner...but according to what I've read, that only makes the earnings tax-exempt...and Gore still has full control.
Plus he can pay himself an outrageous 'salary' with astronomical 'expense accounts' as a 'director' of said nonprofit.
Seems to be a common liberal tax dodge.
NOLO PUGNARE ME OCCIDERE
that's possible Tailgunner...
May 3, 2009 - 19:27 ET by nicholas nicklebyTailgunner, that's a possible scenario (Gore paying himself a handsome salary as a director), and worth looking into--but let's not just assume that it's the case. It might not be. (And also Gore is Chairman of the Board, not the Director.)
(As for Gore having full control of the money there, I think you guys don't understand how non-profits work: basically, they work like companies rather than piggy-banks. Gore can't take money out of the Alliance for Climate Protection to buy himself a big TV. That money is capital for the non-profit to use, not reserve cash for Gore to dip into.)
I'm willing to bet that Gore can launder nonprofit money.
May 3, 2009 - 20:21 ET by TailgunnerNo I'm not an accountant, nor did I sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night...but someone as savvy (and corrupt) as Al Gore surely knows how to move that money as he wants.
After all, who's gonna call him on it?
Another Al (Sharpton) managed to live a lavish lifestyle while avoiding payment of $65,000 damages in the Tawana Brawley affair by pleading poverty.
How did he do it?
NOLO PUGNARE ME OCCIDERE
Tg
May 3, 2009 - 20:38 ET by Noel SheppardTg,
Exactly. There's an astounding amount of corruption involved in private non-profits. He's a saint to the left. Think his non-profit will EVER get audited? He can do whatever he wants with this money, and no one is ever going to say a word. EVER! ns
I personally don't care why
May 3, 2009 - 16:48 ET by MANstreammediaI personally don't care why Al Gore behaves the way he does. He is manipulating government policy (without debate mind you, he is terrified of that sort of thing) to make a profit. I don't care if he thinks he is saving the world.
Waiting for him and the
May 3, 2009 - 17:15 ET by RR GOPWaiting for him and the smelly baseball cap guy to get together and make an explosive (Academy Awards (TM) and Cannes Film Festival winning) documentary on the swine flu crisis and how the Bush/Cheney administration surreptitiously engineered this in order to discredit the new Democratic administration.
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).
It is a new religion
May 3, 2009 - 18:43 ET by sevenHe is a blow hard preacher/evangelist for global warming. fleecing the flock worked for L ron Hubbard and other secular inventors.
The day he respects the planet and is convinced CO@ is the culprit, he will stop pumping out 9,000 lbs of CO2 an hour flying and he will speak against burning CO@ producing ethanol in cars.
Ethanol is the biggest global warming contradiction.
Nothing wrong about putting your money on what you beleive
May 3, 2009 - 18:50 ET by PaarlBUT AL GORE WANTS TO KNEE CAP HIS OPPOSITION/COMPETITION...much like tanya harding did to Nancy Kerrigan years back. Al Gore wants to make money by promoting a lie (man made GW) to the end of the earth and then making it impossible for the competition in energy production (oil/coal and natural gas) to compete on a level playing field. Like the Mafia in NY did to its competition in the trash hauling industry.
Just think ..when cap and trade does come..that extra 3100 per annum that each US household will pay goes straight into Al Gores pocket . This burns me to no end. He is pure evil because this will be costly to the working class that DEMS are supposed to love so dearly
Paarl of Rhodesia
Play Back the C-SPAN Video & Listen Closely...
May 4, 2009 - 14:39 ET by L.N. SmitheeAnyone who remembers the Clinton years knows better than to take Slick or Gore at face value. They both have mastered the art of making a weaselly, loophole-laden statement seem like a sworn oath.
Play back the C-SPAN video - not the edited O'Reilly version - and listen closely. Gore laughs when Kleiner Perkins is mentioned as Blackburn asks this question:
Gore gave one of those trademarked deep sighs that we remember from the 2000 debates against George W. Bush, and admitted briefly he has "invested in" his dream of "a green economy," but then counterattacked, suggesting that Blackburn's question was designed to falsely accuse him of greed.
Blackburn unwisely backed off slightly as Gore's supporters laughed, and then asked her follow-up:
Read carefully his righteously indignant answer, and note the fact they are in the past tense, not the present or future tense:
So what did Gore actually say? He said he has heretofore reinvested any profits in his pet nonprofit educational organization. He did NOT promise that all future profit would be invested in the same way.
I wish I had video tape of then VP Gore at this 1997 press conference. He was being investigated for fundraising for the Democratic National Committee over the phone in his federal office and taking donations for the DNC after a speaking appearance at a Buddhist temple, both violations of campaign laws. He was flanked by his attorney, and repeated seven times that was "no controlling legal authority" preventing the fig leaf measures the DNC devised to make it "legal."
Don't think that Gore wasn't ready for Blackburn's question and was prepared in his own mind to turn it back on her as if his integrity was unquestionable. I wish Blackburn had smacked down his chuckle that "I understand exactly what you're doing, Congresswoman! Everybody here does!" by saying "Please, don't get snippy about it, just listen and answer the question."
"Well, I've got nothing against the press...they wouldn't print it if it wasn't true..." -- Joe Jackson, "Sunday Papers"
I watched this live
May 4, 2009 - 14:52 ET by katainkentsmarmy is a very good description of this snake oil salesman. That's the word my grandmother would have used as she crooked her finger at the television set. The guy trying to sell her detergent that does half the job for double the price - smarmy.
I'm sure he regards this as a long term venture and I am very sure he expects the lasting long term payoff to be huge if he plays all his cards correctly. If he truly believed his own shite he'd be living in a full greened-out spatially frugal home of his own.
lies lies and more lies.
Hold on ‘cause the world will turn if you're ready or not ~ KT Tunstall
Smithee... Bulls-Eye! Ex
May 4, 2009 - 14:54 ET by bigtimerSmithee...
Bulls-Eye!
Excellent, excellent post...I thank you so much.
These dems get away with everything...always..I am sick and tired of it....I watched part of the hearings too, did catch one of my favorites Blackburn with the liar Gore.
No controlling legal authority indeed...he was on the defensive big-time.
We all know what the msm would have done with this soundbite if this had been reversed party wise etc...
Btw..the "don't get snippy about it" line I had forgotten all about, until you reminded me, and I'm still chuckling, that coming from a so-called grown man at the time to-boot...who was really, really wanting to be Prez...man oh man has he ever got even, and he isn't done yet by any means as he fills his bank account at our expense.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Media Matter
May 4, 2009 - 15:28 ET by garcutMedia Matters for America is claiming that Fox News edited the video clip of Gore's Congressional testimony during a May 1 segment “to remove his statements that he donates the money he makes from his climate-related work to a non-profit organization.” The O'Reilly Factor segment featured Climate Depot's executive editor and chief correspondent Marc Morano. (See: The O'Reilly Factor features Climate Depot on Gore's path to become the first 'Carbon Billionaire' )
But Fox News did air the clip earlier in the program of Gore claiming that "every penny" he earns goes to his non-profit.
See this video clip of The O'Reilly Factor's May 1, 2009 show introduction featuring Gore making the "every penny" statement. (Gore clip begins at 30 sec. mark)
In addition, as one report on Gore's finances noted: “So what if [Gore's] giving all his money to the [non-profit] Alliance for Climate Protection. He's the chair!
He gets a tax write-off for donating that money, and then directs where
the money goes.” See Background/Related Links section below for more
details.
I thought liberals were
May 5, 2009 - 23:50 ET by rbosqueI thought liberals were against "greed". I guess if your a Democrat, it's OK.
I cannot understand what
October 21, 2009 - 08:58 ET by JoeAnnaI cannot understand what profit can you have from global warming? How can people even consider something like this...I worked with Trianz company and they helped me to find a purpose in this life and I am glad that I have not become like this mans, willing to destroy the nature in order to get rich.