Very frightening, I think, what the media was able to get away with this go round.
So said Alaska Governor Sarah Palin at the beginning of John Ziegler's must-see documentary "Media Malpractice: How Obama Got Elected and Palin Was Targeted."
After a nicely spliced introduction that included many of the disgraceful moments NewsBusters reported throughout the campaign, just before the opening credits rolled, Palin ominously stated, "This is for the sake of our democracy that there is fairness in this other branch of government if you will called media."
So true, and yet what Ziegler masterfully demonstrated to his viewers was that democracy and fairness were not on the minds of most press members when the campaign began in 2007.
Convinced Hillary Clinton was a cinch to win the Democrat presidential nomination, they chose to not bother scrutinizing Barack Obama in any fashion thereby giving him a pass maybe no other national candidate in history has ever been afforded.
At the same time, frontrunner Clinton was challenged on every misstep. When she erred in an October 2007 debate question concerning drivers licenses for illegal aliens, the press pounced.
Two weeks later when Obama made a similar mistake, so-called journalists didn't care.
Nor did they challenge the junior senator from Illinois about his claims he had worked tirelessly for lobbying reform as they conveniently forgot how Obama was excoriated by John McCain in February 2006 for being a fraud on the issue.
Sadly, such acts of amnesia were quite common during the campaign, and when the junior senator from Illinois shocked the world by winning the Iowa caucus, "this was all the media needed to transform Obama the candidate from mere mortal to merely God-like."
But the metamorphosis wasn't complete until the media took former President Bill Clinton's "fairytale" comments about the junior senator from Illinois' Iraq war position totally out of context thereby discrediting the country's "first black president" as racist in order to prop up its "second."
This according to Ziegler opened a floodgate of black support for Obama. More importantly, "The media had made it clear: they were dumping the Clintons for a newer, younger, hotter love."
So strong was their devotion that even when Hillary scratched and clawed her way back into the race thereby making a brokered convention in Denver a real possibility -- something that should have delighted real journalists beyond their wildest imaginations!!! -- the Obama-loving media did its best to force the junior senator from New York out of the race.
With that accomplished, the next goal was to tear to shreds John McCain's running mate, who though a successful career woman and mother of five, didn't come close to representing the media elite's vision of a modern, liberated female.
Such attacks took center stage right after Palin's powerful speech at the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minnesota, when NBC's Brian Williams read on air from Joe Klein's Swampland blog:
I hope my colleagues, meaning his colleagues in the news media, stand strong in this case. It's important for the public to know Palin raised taxes as governor, supported the Bridge to Nowhere before she opposed it, pursued pork-barrel projects as mayor, tried to ban books at the local library, and thinks the war in Iraq is quote a task from God. The attempts by the McCain campaign to bully us into not reporting such things are not only stupidly aggressive but unprofessional in the extreme.
Palin responded: "Well, I think that was a call to action...Action to dig up whatever could be dug up and spun erroneously."
And, sadly, she was right, for the war was on now, and the press were going to do anything to take this woman down in order to preserve their dream of an Obama White House.
In the end, while the news media were indeed successful in getting their candidate elected president, they did so in a fashion that has tremendously damaged the journalism industry as well as their own continually diminishing credibility.
This is the lasting point of "Media Malpractice" which should be mandatory viewing at journalism schools from coast to coast as well as a must-see for anyone still questioning how today's press have totally abdicated impartiality for political advocacy.
As Ziegler marvelously stated as the film moved to a close:
This is not about President Obama. This is all about the unprecedented and dangerous media coverage that led to his election, and likely lead to his re-election. Our republic was founded on the concept that our electorate must be informed, and our elections be fair. As you have just seen, the evidence is overwhelming that our media has let us down in nearly every respect. If the grotesque display that we witnessed in 2008 does not provoke a backlash against this obvious reality, we may have just reached the point of no return.
Quite fittingly, Ziegler gave Palin the last word:
I believe that once the public understands that this isn't good for democracy what has just taken place, I think there will be enough public pressure put on those in the media to just be fair. Report objectively. Get back to the who, what, when, where, and why. You want to be a commentator? There is a role for that also, but not in hard news sources to be believed via objective reporting. We got to get back to that or I think we're in a world of hurt.
Hear, hear!
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.
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Here we gooooo.
May 2, 2009 - 19:06 ET by Cool ArrowOK, I'll start. It's true. The media attacked Sarah Palin because she was a woman who didn't get where she was by hanging onto her hubby's coattails.
Wait for it....
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Hear Hear,
May 2, 2009 - 19:21 ET by boomerconAbsolutely, CA. I began thinking of the list, and after, Pelosi, Clinton, and...well, I just quit in disgust.
And it's sooo paradoxical, if they are to be believed to actually have a position, it would be in favor of women like Palin. I guess crucifixion of the very best among us is back in.
I think they attacked Palin
May 2, 2009 - 19:56 ET by KStormI think they attacked Palin because she exposed the fact that you don't need a Harvard degree to govern well. The pride of intellect that comes with an Ivy League degree is well established in the media.
"Ivy Leagure" has nothing to do with it
May 2, 2009 - 20:03 ET by PopularTechThe class warfare rhetoric of an "Ivy League" education has nothing to do with it. It has to do with RELEVANT education. Something she does not have.
Sarah Palin
Education:
- Attended, University of Hawaii at Hilo, 1982
- Attended, Hawaii Pacific University, 1982
- Attended, North Idaho Community College, 1983
- Attended, University of Idaho, 1984-1985
- Attended, Matanuska-Susitna Community College, 1985
- B.S. Journalism, University of Idaho, 1987
Obama: "Cap & Trade Will Cause Electricity Rates To Skyrocket"
→ Thanks, PT
May 2, 2009 - 20:07 ET by Cool ArrowYou're nothing, if not predictable.
When I said "wait for it. . . " I knew we wouldn't wait long.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
pt only proves for us that
May 2, 2009 - 23:56 ET by TruthMongerpt only proves for us that she wasn't "educated" (indoctrinated) to become a useful liberal or POT-SMOKING PORNO-LOVING NEO-LIBERTARIAN idiot...
I'm on board with that
government is the communists capitalism
What about education
May 3, 2009 - 11:09 ET by HumblepieNo where does the constitution state you must have a college degree, much less one in political science or world affairs to run for president. I find that the most successful people are those that are able to combine their background and good old common sense. Education is fine, but, must not be the major factor.
Unlike Obama, Gov. Palin has a established track record as a Mayor and now Governor. Who cares if her degree is in journalism. Ronald Reagan studied economics and sociology at Eureka College. It all boils down to their conviction and beliefs.
Individuals in position and power surround themselves with advisor's who help provide insightful information on certain problems. A truly remarkable leader will employ individuals with opposite views to see both sides to make decisions. Anyone seeing that in the current administration?
We are being governed by a second rate lawyer. His only background is as a community activist.
Quick! The gene pool needs more chlorine.
How is that "Relevant"?
May 3, 2009 - 16:00 ET by nofateAnd your point is that her ecucation is not "relevant"??? What would be relevant in your exalted, PDS world?
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
michaelyon-online.com
And just yesterday
May 2, 2009 - 19:10 ET by 10ksnookerWe find that the White House was offering the dissident stakeholders in Chrysler the same treatment as Joe the Plumber got.
Obama is petty and
May 2, 2009 - 19:15 ET by ThisnThatObama is petty and emotional. I commented on that during last year's campaign. But McCain and his keystone cops campaign bunch never did try to take advantage of that.
___________________________________
The challenge is to follow a consistent plan despite inconsistent prices - Sarah Palin, State of the State of Alaska speech
Obama is petty and
May 2, 2009 - 19:54 ET by motherbeltObama is petty and emotional.
That he is.
What kind of President goes out and makes fun of citizens who are exercising their right to protest and bring their grievances to the government's attention?
While researching to find the exact words he used, I came across this posting by Kim Priestap at Wizbang.
Kim says When you watch the video, pay close attention to the tension in his
face and the tone of his voice when he talks about the tea party
protesters and "certain news channels."
Not only is the tension in his face, he resorts to that dismissive handwaving he has used before when belittling those who criticized him. And notice that he says he is happy to have a conversation about reducing the costs of health care and saving Social Security....which is NOT what the TEA protests were about.
They might say "Wow, that sucks!" But at least they'll say "Wow!" -Duff Goldman, the Ace of Cakes
motherbelt
May 2, 2009 - 20:00 ET by sherylsimsAnd notice that he says he is happy to have a conversation about reducing the costs of health care and saving Social Security....which is NOT what the TEA protests were about.
Yes, and also, what are the chances he would EVER have any conversation with ANYONE who would disagree with him since he won't even have anyone asking any honest questions in his press conferences? The likelihood of ANY of the Tea Party protesters getting to have a conversation with him about anything is less than zero.
mb... You hit the nail on
May 2, 2009 - 20:06 ET by bigtimermb...
You hit the nail on the head.
Another lying line he uses all the time is "I'd be happy to have a conversation" BS...I am sick and tired of it and so are plenty of others who can see right through that empty-suit of his and directly to his other puppet-master (s)...
New-flash: 'Walks on Water'...your dog-paddling is about to commence ...and it will...soon enough...the next election is not that far off politically speaking...you and your 24/7 Komrades would do well to pay attention to the 'Tea Parties'...if you don't it is at all of your own perils....and I am including the RINOs as well.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Right on, motherbelt
May 3, 2009 - 17:13 ET by QueenMum"And notice that he says he is happy to have a conversation about
reducing the costs of health care and saving Social Security....which
is NOT what the TEA protests were about"
This is an obvious political tactic designed to catch the ear of older Americans. And nothing new. From this starting point, Obama can suggest that the TEA Party movement wants to "take away your Social Security and Medicare". Watch for propoganda making this very claim as soon as the Obama camp can put together and edit just the right video clips.
Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of the tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. - Ayn Rand
→ Great observation
May 2, 2009 - 19:16 ET by Cool ArrowInvestors who have the legal right to demand repayment of their investments based on established law are painted as villians by Administration and Media alike.
Another pile-on the begging masses are more than eager to watch.
What happened to Sarah Palin was a perfect proving ground for Obama's steamroller.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
CA
May 3, 2009 - 03:46 ET by well99Next thing you will expect is to get paid for work.Some people.I dont have a degree from Harvard but I always thought people invested to make a profit.I could be wrong.
Re Chrysler
May 2, 2009 - 19:16 ET by slickwillie2001That's the way of the Chicago dem/mafia machine. It's the only politics that el Presidente knows.
I hope Palin runs for
May 2, 2009 - 19:12 ET by ThisnThatI hope Palin runs for president. Win or lose, she won't pander the press, the Rinos, or anyone else.
And she'll take it right to the dims. I don't see any other Republican who will do this.
___________________________________
The challenge is to follow a consistent plan despite inconsistent prices - Sarah Palin, State of the State of Alaska speech
Sarah Palin
May 2, 2009 - 19:15 ET by Free StinkerOne of the main reasons the MSM hates Palin?
She helped bring the GOP back to life
Even though you will never see this in the MSM, the facts are: Governor Sarah Palin isn't confused about Africa, and Foxnews isn't still standing by the story, she didn't "raise" taxes on the Oil companies, she does not support amnesty for illegal immigration, she hasn't been failing to pay her taxes, and she does not support the Bailout.
She did cancel the infamous "Bridge to Nowhere" (Even Alaska Democrats have admitted it), she did cut Earmark requests by $350 million, she is a lifetime Member of the NRA, she is tough on crime, she did sell that stupid Jet, she does cut waste from the state budget, she does like to save, she is liked by The Club For Growth, she opposes junk science, she is willing to stand up to the bureacracy . . .
. . . and a 2009 poll says that: Republicans Want GOP to Be Like Palin
**Free Stinker
May 2, 2009 - 19:21 ET by pelicanmarshI don't have a dog in this fight since I am an Independent, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Gov. Palin is a scary threat to the Democrats.
Either she is a complete moron that the MSM loves to mock, or she is a brilliant woman who the MSM mocks due to fear. Whichever the case, when the MSM bares its teeth to anyone, I tend to think that that anyone is worth paying attention to.
Your links were awesome, by the way.
sup pelican
May 2, 2009 - 19:33 ET by candanceEither she is a complete moron that the MSM loves to mock, or she is a brilliant woman who the MSM mocks due to fear.
The choice is indeed one or the other. Each of us has to decide for ourselves.
Indeed not.
May 2, 2009 - 21:05 ET by JerIndeed not.
Jer
Jer, that's all you have to
May 3, 2009 - 07:06 ET by bretzysdudeJer, that's all you have to say? And you call ME a troll?
bretzsydude...Back up your claim, son, or butt out.
May 3, 2009 - 15:42 ET by JerI believe the only one of us who has called the other a "troll" has been you calling me one. I have NEVER called you a troll. Back up your claim, son, or butt out.
Jer
You implied that I was a
May 3, 2009 - 16:15 ET by bretzysdudeYou implied that I was a troll with a previous comment. Nice try.
In other words, bretzysdude, you decided to lie
May 3, 2009 - 17:03 ET by JerFacts:
a.) You have explicitly called me a troll
b.) I have never called you a troll
c.) You concluded from a previous comment of mine that I secretly believe you are a troll also, so
You decided to lie in your earlier post. Just admit you lied, son, and move along before you dig your hole any deeper.
Jer
this is silly
May 3, 2009 - 22:00 ET by candanceJer is a center-lefty who can sometimes annoy us, but he is not a troll. The word troll *is* very much overused around here.
Implying that someone is a troll is open to interpretation. We would have the to see the quote to decide how strong the suggestion is.
Jer, calling someone a liar doesn't quite become you.
There is already enough nonsense on Noel's thread here. What say we drop this personal duel for another time.
candance
May 3, 2009 - 22:41 ET by Noel Sheppardcandance,
Hear, hear!
I work my tail off to bring you folks the best content on the Internet, and besides some whack-job ruining it with his ongoing PDS, another fight breaks out over why he was banned, and who's a troll!!!
Anybody care to discuss the articles and ideas being presented at NB anymore, or do we need to put you all in time out? :-) ns
**Noel Sheppard
May 3, 2009 - 22:49 ET by pelicanmarshWait- if you put people into time outs, does that constitute torture? I would just hate to see Nancy Pelosi or Shepard Smith come after ya for that, Mr. Sheppard.
Real eyes realize real lies. Machine Head
<post edited because I misspelled Mr. Smith's first name>
pm
May 3, 2009 - 22:50 ET by Noel Sheppardpm,
Only if I place a caterpillar in your room. If not, time outs do NOT constitute torture. I've got memos from high falutin lawyers to prove it!!! ns
For the record, I did not
May 4, 2009 - 09:35 ET by bretzysdudeFor the record, I did not lie as Jer is claiming on this whole thing, and I'll stand by on that. However, Noel's absolutely right that I carried it too far by making this way OT. So I will drop it, and will behave myself much better.
You have called me a
May 4, 2009 - 12:42 ET by JerYou have called me a "troll". Contrary to your assertion, I have never called you a "troll". At least have the guts to admit you were wrong. If you want to move it to the woodshed, that's fine.
Jer
→ Caterpillars
May 4, 2009 - 09:47 ET by Cool ArrowCaterpillars? Hah!
They'll Monarch butterflies migrating to Mexico before I'll talk.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Noel...
May 3, 2009 - 23:38 ET by JerNoel...
a.) To reiterate what I have stated in the past, you do a superb job with your excellent contributions to NewsBusters;
b.) I certainly didn't intend to make a federal case over Pop Tech's banning. It did seem that he was allowed wide latitude as long as it supported an NB position, but the identical--albeit anti-Palin--behavior got him banned. That said, I am truly sorry it became a distraction and disruption in the current thread.
c.) I don't expect the staff, mods, management, or any other members or posters to defend me against unwarranted personal attacks. I do, however, reserve the right to defend myself.
All the best...
Jer
Jer
May 3, 2009 - 23:59 ET by Noel SheppardJer,
I was just joshing with candance -- mostly. :-)
You have to admit, these threads can devolve away from the point awfully quick. 'Tis quite frustrating, really. Consider how you'd feel if you spent hours putting together a review of someone's work -- which entailed watching John's DVD twice, the second time rather slowly to be able to transcribe certain sections -- only to have the comments section turn into a foodfight.
I'm just hoping John read my review before this all started, and didn't witness the silliness.
That said, this piece was linked by Breitbart's Big Hollywood, which means a lot of non-NBers did see the foodfight if they ventured beneath the article. Doesn't it make us look very good in front of strangers, does it? ns
I see your point, Noel,
May 4, 2009 - 00:17 ET by JerI see your point, Noel, and it's a valid one. If it's any consolation, I think the quality of your presentation can be judged on the merits within the four corners of your article irrespective of the silliness which make take place farther down the thread.
Jer
Just a minute, candance...
May 3, 2009 - 23:20 ET by JerJust a minute, candance...
You know, I have tried my very best for nearly two years now to behave in a fair, respectful and courteous manner toward others here at NB. I never ever initiate name-calling. I enjoy light-hearted banter and also serious, constructive debates. But a few here spoil the experience. I have been called, without any justification or provocation, "shitbag", "fairy", "troll", "moron", "jerk" (countless times), "idiot", "fool", "stupid", "baby killer" and more. For months bretszysdude has followed me from thread to thread simply to insert snide responses to my posts, and then earlier in this thread he posts a whopping falsehood about me. I expose his lie, point out that he lied, and you call me out for doing so.
What gives?
That is because the truth
May 2, 2009 - 21:13 ET by Scuba DudeThat is because the truth is usually awesome.
"The wrOng ONE was elected"
the true story free
May 2, 2009 - 19:29 ET by botgthe true story free actually in context?
=== holds the perimeter looking for pop tech's usual smear-spam ===
"Outside of a dog a book is man's best friend,------------inside a dog it's too dark to read" ---Groucho
Context - it does the truth
May 2, 2009 - 19:32 ET by Free StinkerContext - it does the truth good.
"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media." -- Lowell Ponte
Sarah Palin Facts (not spin and propaganda)
May 2, 2009 - 19:47 ET by PopularTechFox News: Palin didn't know Africa was a continent (Video)
FACT: Fox News has not refuted the story.
FACT: Palin did raise Oil Taxes. The previous limit was 22.5% before Palin submitted her new tax plan which raised them to 25%:
Senate votes to raise oil tax rate to 22.5% (Anchorage Daily News, April 25, 2006)
Palin offers oil tax plan for session in Juneau (Anchorage Daily News, September 5, 2007)
Alaska Raises Tax On Oil Profits To 25% (CBS News, November 17, 2007)
Alaska Gov. Palin signs bill to hike oil tax (Reuters, December 19, 2007)
FACT: Palin supported the John McCain plan for "amnesty":
Palin: "I support a path to citizenship for illegals" (Hot Air)
FACT: Palin does owe back taxes:
Palin owes thousands in Back Taxes (Anchorage Daily News)
Palin Now Owes Taxes on Payments for Nights at Home, State Rules (The Washington Post)
FACT: She supported the Bailout:
Sarah Palin: Bailout or Great Depression. Choose (U.S. News and World Report)
FACT: Palin cancelled the Bridge after she campaigned to have it built and kept the money for it anyway:
Palin's Bridge Claim Sinks (Video) (CBS News)
The Pathological Lie of Sarah Palin (Video)
Palin: "NOWHERE ALASKA - 99901"
Palin backed 'bridge to nowhere' in 2006 (USA Today)
Palin "bridge to nowhere" line angers many Alaskans (Reuters)
Palin touts stance on 'Bridge to Nowhere,' doesn't note flip-flop (Anchorage Daily News)
Record Contradicts Palin's 'Bridge' Claims (The Wall Street Journal)
ADN: "Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?"
PALIN: "Yes." - (Anchorage Daily News, 2006)
Palin hung on to 'bridge to nowhere' funds (United Press International)
Palin Administration Still Pursuing ‘Nowhere’ Project (Pro Publica)
FACT: Palin did take Earmarks:
Alaska 1st, Ariz. last in pork spending (USA Today)
Palin Admits Backing Earmarks (The Washington Post)
Palin used system she now opposes (Los Angeles Times)
Palin's earmark requests: more per person than any other state (The Seattle Times)
Palin's Project List Totals $453 Million (The Wall Street Journal)
Palin's Small Alaska Town Secured Big Federal Funds (The Washington Post)
Setting The Record: Palin's Earmarks (CBS News)
FACT: Palin supports Capping Carbon Emissions:
Palin acknowledges global-warming threat (The Seattle Times)
Biden, Palin in complete agreement: Carbon caps are coming (The Industry Standard)
MODERATOR: "...do you support capping carbon emissions?"
PALIN: "I do. I do." (Transcript)
STATE OF ALASKA OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR: ADMINISTRATIVE ORDER NO. 238
"I, Sarah Palin, Governor of the State of Alaska, under the authority of art. III, secs. 1 and 24 of the Alaska Constitution establish the Alaska Climate Change Sub-Cabinet to advise the Office of the Governor on the preparation and implementation of an Alaska climate change strategy.
10. the opportunities to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from Alaska sources.
12. the opportunities to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from the operations of Alaska state government;
13. the opportunities for Alaska to participate in carbon-trading markets, including the offering of carbon sequestration."
Looks like Free's lies are absolutely destroyed and debunked.
Obama: "Cap & Trade Will Cause Electricity Rates To Skyrocket"
the spam
May 2, 2009 - 19:57 ET by botgand PT bs right on cue
The Facts
May 2, 2009 - 20:04 ET by PopularTechAll fully sourced, right on cue. You can keep trying to spin the truth but the facts don't lie.
Obama: "Cap & Trade Will Cause Electricity Rates To Skyrocket"
→ Just can't help yourself
May 2, 2009 - 20:09 ET by Cool ArrowIf the woman ain't hangin onto the coattails of the man, you really get threatene, don't you?
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
That makes no sense
May 2, 2009 - 20:14 ET by PopularTechbut your constant smears to try and make me out to be some women hater and not someone who is anti-affirmative action and wants the most qualified person chosen is getting old.
Obama: "Cap & Trade Will Cause Electricity Rates To Skyrocket"
→ Wow Pavlov Tech
May 2, 2009 - 20:20 ET by Cool ArrowWhy don't you start your own website.
Call it Stopthesmears
Oh yeah, there already is one by that name.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Can't handle the truth?
May 2, 2009 - 20:21 ET by PopularTechCool are you afraid of the truth? So Sad.
Obama: "Cap & Trade Will Cause Electricity Rates To Skyrocket"
you wouldn't know the truth
May 2, 2009 - 20:25 ET by botgyou wouldn't know the truth is it were butter there fabio-tech
"Outside of a dog a book is man's best friend,------------inside a dog it's too dark to read" ---Groucho
→ Good one
May 2, 2009 - 20:32 ET by Cool ArrowI can't believe it's not Pavlov.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
PT, why don't you just call
May 3, 2009 - 07:08 ET by bretzysdudePT, why don't you just call him a troll since he disagrees with you.
→ Not my MO
May 3, 2009 - 07:41 ET by Cool ArrowI'm not sure I agree with the broad-based difinition of "troll".
I can usually come up with something more descriptive that fits the immediate situation, hence, Pavlov's Tech.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Point of order here
May 3, 2009 - 11:40 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonPT, nobody would ever try to make you out to be anything other then what you prove to be with every post.
If dissention is 'getting old' then stop dissenting.
Your choice.
oh yeah, I have some cheese for sale, ya need some?
http://gjresult.com
the fact is pop
May 2, 2009 - 20:12 ET by botgthat you are the rainman except even he learned that KMART sucks while you will never leave your misogyny behind
"Outside of a dog a book is man's best friend,------------inside a dog it's too dark to read" ---Groucho
The smears continue
May 2, 2009 - 20:15 ET by PopularTechSo free's constant propaganda to defend her is normal behavior but my fully sourced facts are some disorder? Interesting how dishonest you are about the truth.
Obama: "Cap & Trade Will Cause Electricity Rates To Skyrocket"
PT, How about, some FULLY SOURCED FACTS
May 3, 2009 - 15:07 ET by upcountrywaterYour BIAS is here for all to see. Add these links to your LIST.
Gov. Sarah Palin, 2 term mayor
Before serving as governor, Sarah was the mayor of Wasilla for two terms ... again, defeating the incumbent!
All of these qualities contribute to make Governor Palin a great leader.
In fact, she is a gifted leader. It comes naturally to her ... and
people naturally gravitate toward her. She engenders trust in people
... and she lives up to that trust!
She has taken on the Establishment ... challenged a corrupt political system ... and enacted a strong ethics reform law.
She took on the sitting Republican governor with whom she disagreed ... and she won.
In the general election, she took on a former two-term, Democratic governor.
And she won! Put simply ... Sarah is a leader and a winner!
Sarah is also the Commander in Chief of the Alaska National Guard.
She can be entrusted with our national security, because she already is.
That is TODAY RIGHT NOW... PT .
TODAY RIGHT NOW SHE IS.... Governor of Alaska.
Governor Sarah Palin. She is a terrific
individual ... and an outstanding governor. Sarah is a person with
proven leadership skills, and strong moral character.
SOO PT going to add these links?
So free's constant propaganda to defend her is normal behavior but my
fully sourced facts are some disorder? Interesting how dishonest you
are about the truth.
PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREEEEACH...PT
Reagan VS 0bama
upcountry
May 3, 2009 - 15:14 ET by botgPT is gone, we need only address the articles now
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
PT the A--hole
May 3, 2009 - 03:59 ET by Lord ErondGarbage biased partisan news outlets aren't sources. You fail yet again moron.
"They'll know we were right in the end"
-Harry Potter, The Order of the Phoenix-
Yup, on cue with the links
May 2, 2009 - 20:11 ET by Scuba DudeYup, on cue with the links that tie back to some of the same biased sources that Newsbusters is combating.
And notice he can never verbally back up his hatred of Gov Palin in his own words? All he ever does is post links. Heck, I am sure I can link back to sites that would support any outlandish theory out there.
"The wrOng ONE was elected"
palin-wapner
May 2, 2009 - 20:14 ET by botgpalin-wapner
palin-wapner
palin-wapner
palin-wapner
palin-wapner
palin-wapner
palin-wapner
palin-wapner
"i am pop-dreck and i approve this message"
That doesn't make any sense
May 2, 2009 - 20:19 ET by PopularTechSince I don't hate Gov Palin, why would I state a lie like you did in my own words?
Obama: "Cap & Trade Will Cause Electricity Rates To Skyrocket"
no one said you hate her.
May 2, 2009 - 21:16 ET by puredmashiewe said you fear her.
swing hard in case you hit it.
Spam
May 2, 2009 - 20:14 ET by rexdraconimI am actually one of those people who really likes Spam. I don't want it everyday, but I like it on occasion and enjoy it!
I like fried Spam, and Spam and eggs. Add a tortilla to the mix....hmmmmm. I think Spam is great for camping and hunting, at least until you get some real meat....
Why, oh why must Spam be a pejorative? I tis such a tasty and amusing food product...
Now, Smeet... Smeet is nasty.....make fun of Smeet....or one of the other Spam knock-offs. Just not good ol' Spam....
"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H
"I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...every time!" -me
Interesting
May 2, 2009 - 20:20 ET by PopularTechSo Free's propaganda links are not spam but my factual ones are? Interesting.
Obama: "Cap & Trade Will Cause Electricity Rates To Skyrocket"
I Was Replying to botg, Above
May 2, 2009 - 20:42 ET by rexdraconimI was just lamenting that Spam, which is a food product I like on occasion, is used as a pejorative denoting worthless content.
I don't think Spam is worthless. I think it is good with eggs...and tortillas, fried over a campfire while hunting.
While I am defending things, I also think that people are being unfair when comparing Michelle Obama to Klingons. I think Klingons are way more trust worthy than she is.
I also object to her being compared to a Wookie.
So, subject of my previous comment notwithstanding, I never said your comments and posts were Spam. I just defended Spam.
Sorry I don;t have any links to me eating Spam or enjoying it...but I have this link.
I would ROFLMAO, but I do not roll on the floor while I laugh my @ss off...I usually just chuckle. Occasionally I will laugh so hard I can't breath, but I don't know the short talk for that...perhaps...LSHICB...doesn't roll off the tounge....
I will have to just chuckle, this time....
"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H
"I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...every time!" -me
→ rex
May 2, 2009 - 20:46 ET by Cool Arrowanymore, Pop just just "LMAOTICBINBSFMN"
"LAUGHING MY A$$ OFF TILL I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S NOT BUTTER SQUIRTS FROM MY NOSE"
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
ha ha cool
May 2, 2009 - 20:49 ET by candanceI love it.
Double ha ha
May 2, 2009 - 21:01 ET by BlondePopT is now the official "aunt in the attic" at NB.
I hope he fails, too.
→ WOW! JUST WOW!
May 2, 2009 - 21:39 ET by Cool ArrowAccess Denied?
I always hoped the predictable hijacking would get old.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
**Blonde
May 2, 2009 - 21:45 ET by pelicanmarshI'm slightly confused.
True enough, PT's disgust with Gov. Palin was predictable and borderline psycho, (how many links can one man have?), but did he ever use profanity directed at another poster, or threaten another poster?
Curious.
Pop's apparent removal
May 2, 2009 - 21:54 ET by candanceWhile I am always said to see someone get booted, in pop's case I confess to not being very sympathetic.
This is the guy who called Bristol Palin a 'whore' and accused other members of being 'brain damaged.' This recent performance, believe it or not, is pop's version of being relaxed.
I do not feel the need to defend PopTech being removed. If you have any more questions, feel free to contact the author of this article for more information.
Don't be confused
May 2, 2009 - 22:00 ET by BlondeIt may take you a while, but if you are really interested.....do a search on the f*bomb. The real word, of course.
I'm sure it will take a while, but it should be worth your efforts, if your curiosity is overwhelming.
I hope he fails, too.
**Blonde
May 3, 2009 - 15:59 ET by pelicanmarshI did a NB search for the f*bomb word.
Yikes! Too much info, even for me!
pelicanmarsh, Yea he cussed out some folks here.
May 3, 2009 - 15:19 ET by upcountrywaterSome banned poster called him POPPED, man did he hate that.
So many posts ago, so far away.
ALOHA PT..Only your AGW and COAL DATA will be missed.. And now that's all linkable.
Reagan VS 0bama
Rex~
May 2, 2009 - 21:26 ET by Georgia GirlI found your Spamminess very amusing. :)
Somebody please clue me in -- I clicked on "Popular Tech," and he's already been booted off. It was so weird because I was reading his comments and thinking: "Wow, this guy is just asking for it..." And then POOF -- he was nuked. I am stopping short of believing my mind controlled that. ;)
But seriously, who was that masked man? He sounded so familar to me (maybe it's because all the junky hits on Palin sound the same to me).
wow GG
May 2, 2009 - 21:34 ET by botgyou should have done that sooner
;^ )
"Outside of a dog a book is man's best friend,------------inside a dog it's too dark to read" ---Groucho
GG
May 2, 2009 - 21:35 ET by rexdraconimThat was weird, for sure.
PopTech was like a fixture around here...
As to Spamminess....I must take the underdog in these fights, speak for the unspeakable.
Spam is a valuable piece of Americana...
"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H
"I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...everytime!" -me<
Guys~
May 2, 2009 - 21:51 ET by Georgia GirlOK, you guys are really freaking me out! I thought everybody would know exactly why he was just booted. Even odder, I hardly every click on somebody to see their bio. Dang, did I cause some sort of malfunction? I'm so terrible with the computer. ^_^
**Georgia Girl
May 2, 2009 - 21:53 ET by pelicanmarshYeah, about that whole "clicking on someone's bio"...um, please don't click on mine, ever, because I like it here at NB, and I kinda wanna stay for a while...
Pelican~
May 2, 2009 - 22:00 ET by Georgia GirlReally strange, huh? Who knew I had this "Magic Button" on my computer. I would never have guessed. OK, no clicking on yours. Ya'll just let me know if there's somebody's bio I should click on. ;)
[In all seriousness, I'm scared to do that again.]
have no fears GG
May 2, 2009 - 22:06 ET by botgclick anyone you like
poppie has been spamming all things Palin for way too long, i guess a mod got fed up with it.
"Outside of a dog a book is man's best friend,------------inside a dog it's too dark to read" ---Groucho
And when he wasn't spamming
May 3, 2009 - 06:08 ET by motherbeltAnd when he wasn't spamming Palin he was spamming something else. Had a whole libarary of links ready to c/p at a moment's notice, interrupting threads with comments that ran to 8 inches long. I've been scrolling past them for 2 years!
I have seen him warned in threads not to post the same thing again.
I guess the editors here finally had their fill.
They might say "Wow, that sucks!" But at least they'll say "Wow!" -Duff Goldman, the Ace of Cakes
Hey there Georgia
May 2, 2009 - 22:16 ET by Scuba DudeHey there Georgia Girl!!
Feel free to click on my bio. I have not changed it since I joined NB lo those many months ago just before the election.
"The wrOng ONE was elected"
Scuba~
May 2, 2009 - 22:28 ET by Georgia GirlI know it's silly, but there is no way I'm doing that. It will take me days -- maybe weeks -- to summon the courage...and when I finally do, I'll probably test it out first on somebody I don't particularly like!
C'mon, I double dog dare
May 3, 2009 - 11:17 ET by Scuba DudeC'mon, I double dog dare you to click on my bio!! ; )
"The wrOng ONE was elected"
Scuba~double-dog dare...
May 3, 2009 - 12:23 ET by Georgia GirlPalms sweaty. Seriously, cannot do it! I'm scrolling down now, to see if Rex reappeared on here...because yesterday, shortly after I responded back to him, then he was quiet. Somebody click his bio for me!
When I said I was "dangerous" with a computer, I really did not mean this way. :)
Don't worry Georgia Girl,
May 3, 2009 - 12:54 ET by Scuba DudeDon't worry Georgia Girl, Rex is ok and safe. : )
It is safe to click on our bio's.
**POOF** "what the heck happened? Where am I?"
"The wrOng ONE was elected"
Scuba~
May 3, 2009 - 13:11 ET by Georgia GirlDon't even joke about it!
If you really have that
May 3, 2009 - 13:14 ET by Free StinkerIf you really have that power, I have a short list of names I would like you to click on.
well GG
May 2, 2009 - 22:01 ET by candancePop has been put in "time out" several times in the past. Not quite sure if he has been completely booted or just on probation.
But rest easy, it was not your fault.
GG
May 2, 2009 - 22:04 ET by rexdraconimDon't worry about clicking on a bio...that won't do it.
You can click on my Bio anytime, there is never-changing, honest info there all the time. I think that the Bio is a good thing for straight-forward folks.
I am not worried about you giving me the accidental boot. ;)
"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H
"I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...every time!" -me
Rex~
May 2, 2009 - 22:21 ET by Georgia GirlI believe you, but what a coincidence, huh?
By the way, I want to make a note here that when I posted to Rex (above) about his "spamminess," that was in reference to him making a joke about the food product Spam. I'm just a tiny bit paranoid now, and there's no way we're losing Rex! ^_^
→ Georgia
May 2, 2009 - 22:02 ET by Cool ArrowIt's got to be frustrating when one of our contributing writers puts together a piece, and knows, before s/he posts it that it will get sidetracked and hijacked, and the hoped-for discussion on the merits of the work will not occur.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
exactly cool
May 2, 2009 - 22:08 ET by candanceRemember that one day when the Open Thread talking point was "anything except Sarah Palin." It is always the same thing going in circles.
(And yes GG, feel free to click on my bio any time as well. I must warn you, though, it's pretty boring - the same thing has been up there for almost a year now.)
Good evening Georgia
May 2, 2009 - 22:23 ET by cocodrieRelax. The only way to cause trouble with or for Pop Tech is to mention Gov. Sarah Palin's name.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Cocodrie~
May 2, 2009 - 22:30 ET by Georgia GirlApparently this was his page to close out on then. *_*
Well, Actually...
May 3, 2009 - 16:40 ET by nofatethe subject of CRA caused a little bit of a stir, even after he stated that he thought very highly of the opinions of Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams. When presented with evidence that they had weighed in opposite to his theme, he used one line out of lengthy Williams comments to, in his mind, I guess, debunk our arguments.
Another instance I can think of, relating to AGW, I put up some references, replying to a commenter named Steve, relating to CO2 being a non-driver of climate, the role of cosmic rays as a driver of climate change, and other links. and PT jumped in and informed me "If you want references, I've compiled over 10,000.... ". So, without referencing the source of many of his references, especially when it comes to Palin or CRA, I just replied that I like to stick to things I've read or am in the process of reading. His reply?...
Right. Like I've got time to read every article he puts up! Other than some of the Kossacks who come on here, PT is one of the most arrogant commenters we have here. But, I think he serves a good purpose, i.e. keeping the rest of us aware of where we do not want to sink. If he has been sending stuff that curses people, though, he should go. That is no ones fault but his own. Even most of the Kossacks know better than that, obnoxious as they are.
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
michaelyon-online.com
just give it up Pop
May 2, 2009 - 20:04 ET by candanceYour very first link is to a old story that got retracted.
So much for spreading lies.
But hey, at least you still have your career modeling on the cover of Harlequin novels.
Tell the professional cheerleader we all said hello.
It was never retracted
May 2, 2009 - 20:10 ET by PopularTechProve that Fox News retracted the story and Carl Cameron denied it.
Carl Cameron: "There was great concern in the McCain campaign that Sarah Palin lacked a degree of knowledgeability necessary to be a running mate, a vice president, and a heartbeat away from the presidency. We are told by folks that she didn’t know what countries were in NAFTA - the North American Free Trade Agreement. That'd be Canada, the U.S., and Mexico. We’re told that she didn’t understand that Africa was a continent, rather than a series - a country just in itself. A whole host of questions that caused serious problems about her knowledgeability."
Obama: "Cap & Trade Will Cause Electricity Rates To Skyrocket"
→ Love it
May 2, 2009 - 20:11 ET by Cool ArrowLove the way you've successfully minimalized yourself, all by yourself.
Nothing, if not predictable.
Pavlov's Tech.
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Prove it
May 2, 2009 - 20:16 ET by PopularTechCome on cool prove me wrong. It should be so easy yet no one has been able to do it.
Obama: "Cap & Trade Will Cause Electricity Rates To Skyrocket"
→ Ah yes
May 2, 2009 - 20:26 ET by Cool ArrowWe've come a long way from Jan. 08, when your were defending Mitt Romney's $50 buck abortions.
Nobody listens to you anymore. Never did, really because you've never done anything buyt flood the place with links.
No individual thought, just a lot of cut&pasting.
Granted, you're now a two trick pony, but all your AGW links are so repetitive, nobody even bothers to click on them anymore.
And at the drop of Sarah Palin's name, we collectively roll our eyes and say in unison, "Here comes Pavlov's Tech."
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
sorry pop
May 2, 2009 - 20:15 ET by candanceIf MSNBC and the NY Times both retract a potential embarrassment about Sarah Palin, I really don't care if Campaign Carl Cameron refuses to retract his gushing account of it.
For those who believe, no proof is required. For those who do not, no proof is enough.
Now go hop in that shiny convertible and tell that cheerleader we said hello.
Totally clueless
May 2, 2009 - 20:18 ET by PopularTechThey retracted that the "source" was Eisenstadt, the story by Cameron has never been retracted.
Obama: "Cap & Trade Will Cause Electricity Rates To Skyrocket"
since Eisenstadt was fictitious
May 2, 2009 - 20:23 ET by botgwas the real 'source' the easter bunny or bozo-the-clown?
"Outside of a dog a book is man's best friend,------------inside a dog it's too dark to read" ---Groucho
Poppie, the facts are: The
May 2, 2009 - 21:03 ET by Free StinkerPoppie, the facts are:
Now, some people keep stating the story is true, quoting this statement, seen at Foxnews: "While
Palin has denied that she mistook Africa for a country, the veracity of
that report was not put in question by the revelation that Eisenstadt
is a phony."
This sounds very cut-and-dried, doesn't it? Let us look further at the
story. It was posted at Foxnews.com, but is actually an AP story
written by DAVID BAUDER, an AP Television Writer. This same quote can
also be found at USATODAY; again from the same AP story.
Follow that? This is an AP story, reprinted at Foxnews.com, not a
Foxnews story. The inaccurate claim that Foxnews is standing by the
story rests on the fact that they reprinted this AP story. The writer,
David Bauder, is one whose accuracy is highly suspect. A 2005 quote
about Mr. Bauder states that: "Now
it appears that David Bauder may be added to the AP’s own rogues’
gallery of reporters who wilfully or lazily inject bias into their
stories." (source)
The year is 2005. Notice that? This is the man's reputation some
three years before this phoney Palin/Africa story comes along.
So, where does this leave us? With a phoney story, made by a
non-existant person, from a non-existant think-tank, retracted by The
New York Times and MSNBC, and the only support still remaining about "the veracity of that report" is from a guy known to be biased.
Carl Cameron's Story
May 3, 2009 - 00:07 ET by nandrelliIt may be way too late for this, but I just have to throw my two-cents worth in here.
From what I see (that PT posted), Cameron NEVER SAID that Palin didn't know Africa was a country, etc. He said he was TOLD that Palin didn't know Africa was a country, etc.
There is nothing for Cameron/Fox to retract. To retract that story would mean that Cameron was never told those things, that he had made the whole thing up himself (and since his name isn't Jason Blair and he doesn't work for the New York Times, it is unlikely he would have done that).
So PT's claim that Fox never retracted Cameron's story, while true, is just nonsensical, in that it doesn't address anything pertinent to the truth of the claims in the story (which have been debunked in other places).
I had a director once who had his beliefs on how things should be done and that was it, evidence to the contrary be damned. His motto (which we made up for him) was "I have my opinion, don't try to confuse me with the facts".
Sounds a lot like PT to me.
Wow - this was easy... a
May 2, 2009 - 20:37 ET by MazziWow - this was easy... a quick google search found this:
http://www.foxnews.c...
"David Shuster, an anchor for
the cable news network, said on air Monday that Martin Eisenstadt, a
McCain policy adviser, had come forth and identified himself as the
source of a Fox News Channel story saying Palin had mistakenly believed
Africa was a country instead of a continent."
That's pretty much a retraction, wouldn't ya say? Are the rest of your BS links so easy to bust? Probably, lol.. but I don't have time to play your little games.
"I would rather be historically accurate than politically correct" ~ My husband's T-Shirt
→ Who would know Mazzi?
May 2, 2009 - 20:42 ET by Cool ArrowI seriously doubt anybody clicks on his links anymore. They could be links to a Pastafarian cult for all I care.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
So I presume you don't want
May 2, 2009 - 21:35 ET by SlyrrSo I presume you don't want to see this movie? Because it upsets your collection of anti-palin links?
WHERE TO START?
May 3, 2009 - 07:51 ET by captcwewPopular Tech- You have entirely too much time on your hands. Either you are news-junkie with an incredible capacity of recollection, rely on websites such as: snopes.com or as I stated, have too much time on your hands to research snippets of news headers on Governor Palin.
No disrespect to you but your tenor indicates that you have an axe to grind. With an obvious penchant for politics you should concentrate your energy with a political base that is not nationalizing car manufacturers, banks, health care, etc.
If you have not; I recommend watching John Ziegler's MEDIA MALPRACTICE. There is absolutely no bias in his research, pure and simple. Thanks for the read.
Hillary
May 2, 2009 - 19:42 ET by slickwillie2001What happened to the Clintons in the campaign is an interesting lesson for them and anyone else on how fickle the media can be. It would be fascinating to sit down and talk with them honestly about the campaign and Obama. What was the big surprise that they didn't use? What did they think about Obama's nationality issues? Why didn't they use the Jeremiah Wright story?
Of course that's not going to happen. If the Bamster continues to fumble, will Hillary challenge him in a democratic primary in 2011?
How fickle the msm can be
May 2, 2009 - 20:27 ET by bigtimerHow fickle the msm can be indeed sw...but remember, Soros and his various groups has a lot of control over that over the years, hand in hand with Hillary from the beginning of all of the backroom dealing with the leftist connections in the msm, internet etc. including Hollywood...Rahm's brother has huge connections there too...
Nice circle they have going, including all the pols they own...nothing like whose hiding the knife.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
I accidently got stuck on a
May 2, 2009 - 21:21 ET by DingbatI accidently got stuck on a CBS Katie program and was amazed: everything was "President Obama"...yet for the last 8 years it has been "Bush".
Are Americans really this dumb? They elected this doofus so I guess the question is answered. BTW: nice $540 shoes Michelle [gag]
→ Back on track.
May 2, 2009 - 21:54 ET by Cool ArrowRegardless of how we feel individually about Palin's qualifications, I think it's safe to say a separate standard was set for Gov. Palin.
We just saw the Feministas go scratching and clawing at Miss California in ways we didn't think possible.
We're seeing a pattern of hatred from the left that should be a wakeup to us all.
Women, it seems, aren't really allowed their own opinions, are they?
We live in Texas. My daughter doesn't go through the same hazing as these women did. But she realizes there are places in the US where she would have to keep her mouth shut or some wierdo with an agenda might trash her for fun.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Whoever @ NB finally booted PopTech, I owe you a beer, or five.
May 2, 2009 - 22:08 ET by R D HelmLOL-And when I get a new job, I'll be more than happy to buy them for you, too!
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
→ Dave
May 2, 2009 - 22:21 ET by Cool ArrowI'll pray that you get a job this week.
Better than the one you left.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Cool,
May 2, 2009 - 23:46 ET by R D HelmThanks.
Had an interiview last Wed. for a $25/hr, 3-year contract mapping gig.
If that doesn't fly, I may have to relocate to Texas.
LOL-Hopefully before they snatch my car. :-O
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
Wellllllll...
May 3, 2009 - 09:01 ET by RukusFrom what I read, GG clicked on his bio and, well, Pop went poof! Coincedence? Probably. But since she's a Georgia Girl I think a round 'o brews would be nice. ; ) Best of luck on the job my friend! : )
Gary
All the oil is in Texas and the dipsticks are in D.C.!
Ruk~
May 3, 2009 - 12:30 ET by Georgia GirlAw, shucks -- it was nothin'...and I like Miller Lite, thanks! :) It was a freaky coincidence, but too funny...however, please see my comment above, to Scuba Dude. Where is Rex? Seriously, tell me he's still on here.
Rex~
May 3, 2009 - 12:37 ET by botgis in Colorado
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
botg~
May 3, 2009 - 12:40 ET by Georgia GirlWhat a relief.
[I have a Magic Button, and I am afraid to use it.]
;)
georgia
May 3, 2009 - 12:58 ET by botgit was PTs time just a coincidence really
sent you a buddy request
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
botg~
May 3, 2009 - 13:16 ET by Georgia GirlWill look for it. Consider yourself one of my buddies. Thanks! :)
GG,
May 3, 2009 - 20:11 ET by R D HelmLOL-You have no idea how many times I wish I had had a button that would shoot PopTech straight to Mars.
And he is as big of a PITA over at HotAir as he is here, although I think they have blocked him from posting links.
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
RD~
May 3, 2009 - 20:38 ET by Georgia GirlYou just let me know if you need me to press the ole button for you. ;)
On a serious note, I'm really sorry to hear you have been out of work. Here's hoping you get a break soon. Glad you're here. :)
GG
May 3, 2009 - 12:52 ET by rexdraconimRex is still here. Here at NB and here in CO.
Click away, click away.... My bio ain't leaving and it ain't changing!
Miller Lite is NOT beer; it is swill.
Have a Guinness...or at least a Rolling Rock...
I am going to miss PT for the week he will be gone (most likely)...I finally had a link, too. I held a wake for him, perhaps I shoud share the eulogy...
But he really isn't dead....check out his master link. I didn't find this, it is the work of others....if it ain't PT....it sure should be...
And, in honor of PT, for old time's sake....
ROFLMAO!!!!
"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H
"I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...everytime!" -me<
Rex~
May 3, 2009 - 13:08 ET by Georgia GirlGood to see you!!!
Rex~bottle better
May 6, 2009 - 14:57 ET by Georgia GirlDelayed reaction...
Swill? You must have had it out of a can, not a bottle. ;) Any other kind tastes too strong to me.
And just so I am not totally off-topic on here, the left goes after Palin in an attempt to get conservative values off the stage. It makes them too nervous. They wouldn't go on the attack like they do if she was no threat to them.
Thanks, Ruk
May 3, 2009 - 20:07 ET by R D HelmYeah, its been a rough year.
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
Pop Tech Is A Wacko
May 2, 2009 - 22:37 ET by BW222I have never seen this moron on a thread that wasn't about Sarah Palin.
Apparently this nub-job has no other purpose in his sad life other than to troll NB, HotAir, etc. looking for Sarah Palin threads. What a loser.
I've got to wonder where Pop Tech was the night Sarah Palin's church was torched because this guy is sick enough ....
BW222
→ Tru dat BW222
May 2, 2009 - 22:53 ET by Cool ArrowAnd he isn't alone in having an inexplicable disdain for the Governor.
Strange, that's the subject of the piece Noel put together for us.
There seems to be something threatening about a self-made woman that teases out the most vicious of responses from some individuals and groups.
Gov. Palin went into politics to get rid of corruption. She did a pretty good job, for all I can tell.
And heavens!! Did she really use the weight of her position as Governor to try to get a child torturer/wife beater off the Cop force? I like to think I'd do the same.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Apparently "link spamming"
May 2, 2009 - 22:45 ET by JerApparently "link spamming" debunking global warming or liberal/socialist economics is welcomed, but if it is anti-Palin it gets one booted. Interesting.
Jer
I thought this thread was on
May 2, 2009 - 23:02 ET by contraryI thought this thread was on the Zeigler movie of media's Bias towards Obama, against Conservative positions? Why do we care about who gets booted for not following the rules?
"No I have the facts"
--The resident Joe Friday
Well, let's check that out, contrary.
May 2, 2009 - 23:11 ET by JerWell, let's check that out, contrary.
Governor Palin is pictured on the cover of Zeigler's "Media Malpractice".
Governor Palin is the first individual referred to in the body of the blog.
Governor Palin is mentioned several times throughout the blog.
Pop Tech's initial post was a reply to someone else posting about Governor Palin.
Any more thoughts?
Jer
→ Yeah!
May 2, 2009 - 23:24 ET by Cool ArrowHe's nothing, if not predictable.
I thought his first post was trashing Sarah Palin's college record.
Quick, Jer. Without googling it, tell me where Nancy Pelosi went to college.
I rest my case.
OUCH. this could be messy.
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Re Where Pelosi [or Palin]
May 3, 2009 - 00:05 ET by JerRe Where Pelosi [or Palin] attended college:
Don't know. Don't care.
Jer
→ Thanks, Jer
May 3, 2009 - 00:14 ET by Cool ArrowNeither do I. That's the point.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
jer
May 2, 2009 - 23:20 ET by botgpoppie has been derailing threads for months with his anti-palin spam and you well know it
Acting stupid does not become you Jer
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
Gosh, maybe this explains it, botg...
May 3, 2009 - 00:26 ET by JerA couple of days ago someone said I looked stupid...today you say I'm acting stupid.
Have you ever considered the fact that just maybe I am stupid?
Jer
→ Of course Jer
May 3, 2009 - 00:32 ET by Cool ArrowWhat do you think we are? Stupid?
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→ It's a joke Jer
May 3, 2009 - 00:33 ET by Cool ArrowA joke!!!
Sometimes I just cain't hep myself
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I...I...er...I dunno. I'm
May 3, 2009 - 00:36 ET by JerI...I...er...I dunno. I'm drawing a blank. Don't ask such hard questions.
Jer
Did you not understand my
May 2, 2009 - 23:24 ET by contraryDid you not understand my questions?
"No I have the facts"
--The resident Joe Friday
Absolutely. Did you not
May 2, 2009 - 23:31 ET by JerAbsolutely understood them. Did you not understand my reply?
Jer
No I do not. My first
May 2, 2009 - 23:46 ET by contraryNo I do not.
My first question: I thought this thread was on the Zeigler movie of media's Bias towards Obama, against Conservative positions?
You did not answer this. It is either a yes or no question, but hopefully returns posters to the original point of the blog which is to discuss the media's role in government.
My second question: Why do we care about who gets booted for not following the rules?
This is a rhetorical question. You decided to talk about the popular tech's booting, which is why I asked the first question.
"No I have the facts"
--The resident Joe Friday
contrary... See my
May 2, 2009 - 23:53 ET by Jercontrary...
See my further responses below. Let's move on.
Jer
At Last!
May 2, 2009 - 23:56 ET by contraryEr...
Ah..
That was the WHOLE POINT of my initial reply to you.
"No I have the facts"
--The resident Joe Friday
→ Jer
May 2, 2009 - 23:13 ET by Cool ArrowIt's been a long time since I've had a knock-down, drag-out, slugfest with PT.
I don't know why I bothered with it tonight, but I did.
It was the "here we go again" on a subject I'm interested in, not because Sarah Palin is a political figure, but because Sarah Palin and recently Miss California, were attacked by a supposedly feminist-sensitive group of left-wing doubletalkers.
Last night that Feldt person (allegedly a feminist) threw out some nonsense about Miss California's breast augmentation as a barb to Laura Ingraham.
I'm tired of the left claiming they give a crap about women's rights when we all know there is only one issue the left cares about when it comes to women.
And those who don't participate in that sacrament will be held up to public ridicule by those supposed "feminists".
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Cool... I agree with you
May 2, 2009 - 23:18 ET by JerCool...
I agree with you about Miss California, her breasts, Feldt, and feminist-sensitive groups. I also happen to disagree with Pop Tech about Palin (and most everything else). However, what does any of that have to do with his being banned?
Jer
He is banned and I am happy
May 2, 2009 - 23:31 ET by Scuba DudeHe is banned and I am happy that he is. Can you say straw that broke the camels back? : )
Now, I for one am looking to have the Media Malpractice dvd added to my collection. I am PO'd at how the MSM has thrown away any semblance of ethics in their treatment of Gov Palin, the Tea Party's and now Miss California. Enough is Enough!!
"The wrOng ONE was elected"
→ I don't know, Jer
May 2, 2009 - 23:34 ET by Cool ArrowI don't know for sure, but I do know if I'd just spent a couple of hours putting together a piece for this blog, as Noel did, and knew in advance it was going to turn into yet another "PT hates Sarah Palin and has the links to prove it", I think I might be fed up this time, or the last time, or the next time, ore somesuch.
I'm therefore, trying to put something in each of my posts to steer this thread back to its intended discourse.
I care how women are treated, and I see way too much misogyny hiding behind "qualifications"
This will sound biased, because it is, but I've come to expect to see women hated back in line by the left, but PT is a constant reminder to me that the same sentiments exist on my side of the aisle as well.
And it sickens me.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Okay Cool...I do understand
May 2, 2009 - 23:50 ET by JerOkay Cool...I do understand the exasperation. But it just seems to me that as long as the "trigger" for a link dump by Pop was Al Gore, Global Warming, Obamanomics, etc. it was tolerated--even encouraged--whether it was thread derailment or not. But if the trigger was Palin, he was immediately persona non grata and swarmed by an outraged army of NBers.
Anyway, I won't belabor the point. Not my call.
Jer
Jer
May 3, 2009 - 01:13 ET by MrShyYou have a point there, about a mild double standard.
But he really ratcheted it up some 5-10 fold for Palin. Part of that being his push-back of us, but still, it was a lot more saturation when she was the topic vs. GW (which came in second), Gore and Obama. Really, I believe, outside of Palin, he only did link spamming on Global Warming, but not nearly as much or as stacked/lengthy.
You're the next contestant on...
THE MESSIAH IS... LEFT !!
Shy...Look, I'm over
May 3, 2009 - 02:03 ET by JerShy...
Look, I'm over it. But, for the record, the Global Warming linking was far and away in first place, with Palin a distant second. Also scroll down the thread on the blog which Noel posted about Gore earlier today. You'll see what I mean. [And I hadn't even noticed that particular instance until after I had posted on this thread.]
Jer
edit. One caveat: I wasn't around for a good portion of late last summer and fall--when the campaigns were in high gear--so there may have been a number of Palin threads which I missed.
PopTech
May 3, 2009 - 12:45 ET by QueenMumAgree with you Jer. I'm sorry to see PopTech gone. There seems to be little tolerance here for anti-Palin sentiment coming from any camp. The "outraged army" usually chose to take PopTech on and further derail the subject. I'd rather see the powers-that-be move that portion of the thread to another venue or post a warning and and then delete the entire sidebar. JMO
Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of the tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. - Ayn Rand
Queenmum
May 3, 2009 - 12:53 ET by Free StinkerNo wonder you like Poptech. You're distorting the facts about him just like he does about Palin.
People did not dislike Poopie because he was anti-Palin. People disliked him for his spam links, and in the case a Palin, spam links that were completely out of context, and links to the very same biased sources Newsbusters exists to fight.
The "Sarah Palin did not know where Africa is" story should be proof alone. He still pushed that as the truth, even after it was *retracted* and the only AP story still backing it as "true" was written by a highly biased "reporter".
Of course *you* would defend him.
Ha! Thanks for the
May 3, 2009 - 13:17 ET by QueenMumHa! Thanks for the clarification, Stinker. (Edited to add content) It was not my intention to distort the facts. To be honest, I didn't make it a habit to bother pursuing PopTech's links. I've pretty much heard it all before. I can see that in some ways PopTech was a problem child. But look at the rest of this thread. How much of it did he produce and how much of it amounts to piling on?
And didn't his "errors" provoke discussion? I don't see anything wrong with having the opportunity to debunk someone like Pop Tech in a public forum. JMO I defer to the powers-that-be. I presume that warnings were issued prior to his "exile".
Love and kisses,
Q.M. :)
Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of the tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. - Ayn Rand
Queenmum
May 3, 2009 - 13:20 ET by Free StinkerI don't see anything wrong with having the opportunity to debunk someone like Pop Tech in a public forum.
The stuff has been debunked before. It's not new material.
right and done repeatedly
May 3, 2009 - 13:30 ET by botg--i am sure PT had warning, he was, after all, banned before for trollish behavior.
As for me i would always ridicule him and not even touch upon his bull and thus validate that it had any merit. I don't see where just because some lie has been spread a hundred times before we should just ignore it? There may be new users who are reading it for the first time and don't get that it is out of context. But, enough, he's gone let's get back to the issues....
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
botg: You've put it into
May 3, 2009 - 13:43 ET by QueenMumbotg: You've put it into terms I can better understand. (No offense, Stinker.) I guess there has to be a limit on how often a dead horse gets kicked. And I should give the "management" more credit for giving PopTech more than enough rope. (Forgive the mixed metaphors. Need to stop for lunch.)
Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of the tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. - Ayn Rand
And I should give the
May 3, 2009 - 14:03 ET by botgAnd I should give the "management" more credit for giving PopTech more than enough rope.
totally agreed they have been more than patient
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
Stinker: Is it wrong to
May 3, 2009 - 13:33 ET by QueenMumStinker: Is it wrong to consider that there may be new "viewers" to the site who haven't seen the material or the debunk? I understand the frustration of those who are regular participants. Let's say someone came here for the first time when this thread was started. Would they understand the piling on? Or might they make the assumption that certain opposing views are not tolerated? Seriously. I understand that those who run this site know better than I how they want it to look. I'm just expressing my opinion. And I'll leave it at that.
Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of the tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. - Ayn Rand
Queenmum
May 3, 2009 - 13:37 ET by Free StinkerIs it wrong to consider that there may be new "viewers" to the site who haven't seen the material or the debunk?
Yeah, let's keep posting the same 3+ paragraphs of biased links, just in case new people along who want waste hours of their time debunking PopTech, before they finally realize that the facts do not matter to him.
Sorry QM, but he has a point...
May 3, 2009 - 14:10 ET by TASS71...you cannot couch your reactions based upon an unknown, they must be based off of reliable, repeatable, preferably recent, results.
Personally, I have never even looked at any of PT's AGW links, but I do know that the bandwagon on AGW bears remarkable similarities to the precedent's campaign.
*Edit* Oops I think I may have gotten into a battle between blatant trolls and their "let's all get along" sockpuppets. 'scuuuu-uuuse me!
However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results. - Sir Winston Churchill
TASS: That's okay. No need
May 3, 2009 - 14:34 ET by QueenMumTASS: That's okay. No need to apologize. But do you think my comments on Pop Tech will be going into my "permanent record"?
Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of the tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. - Ayn Rand
Permanent record~
May 3, 2009 - 15:01 ET by Georgia GirlWith every word we type, we each create our own permanent record. :)
→ Deleted
May 3, 2009 - 15:09 ET by Cool ArrowPermanently!
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~We've talked about this, QM
May 3, 2009 - 15:03 ET by choselife3xStop using Free's name in a disrespectful fashion unless you want the favor returned.
That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel.
???
May 4, 2009 - 12:31 ET by RESTLESS 1Queenie is not disrespecting Free Stinker. She has called him "stinker" for short for as long as I have been here. I've never seen Free take any offense to it.
This battle you two have going is even more annoying than PT was.
"This liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
QueenMum, Although I very
May 3, 2009 - 14:13 ET by hydrodynDMQueenMum,
Although I very much agree with your point about provoking discussion, PT was a person who actually argued (in another post) that if you have a PhD in physics and smoke pot, you're still a weak minded, brain damaged moron.
Personally, I think the guy had issues.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if he had been warned by the staff here about posting the same links over and over and he just ignored those warnings.
my two cents
May 3, 2009 - 14:57 ET by candanceFirst of all, if a new reader is truly interested in pop's lies, all they had to do was check out Free's pre-emptive links and all the other debunking that was done. It also falls right in line with the point of this article - a movie showing how the MSM lied about her - and here comes someone linking to all of those same exact lies. If people are interested in Zeigler's film, they'll know what pop was doing right off the bat.
Secondly, if we should all be concerned about debunking things for new readers, let's open the floodgate for all of the others who accuse Republicans of being racist and spread lies about Fox News and then *every single thread* here can be spent arguing with those who hate conservatives.
You debunk people to a certain point...but then if they show back up two days later repeating the stuff like nothing ever happened, then they are simply a lost cause.
There are lots of respected people here who criticize Palin. In fact one of my favorite NBers has all kinds of complaints about her. But when you're posting gossip and smears, that doesn't count as normal criticism.
It seems that the only people defending Pop are the ones who conveniently dislike his critics.
thanks Noel
May 2, 2009 - 23:28 ET by botgthis indeed does sound like a must see movie
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
PopTech will be back, probably by Wednesday.
May 2, 2009 - 23:55 ET by R D HelmHe, unlike me, apparently has nine NB lives, and he is only up to # 3.
I didn't get even ONE.
And I bet he gets to keep is original screen name, too.
But no, I'm not BITTER.
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
I just want to say that
May 3, 2009 - 00:40 ET by shawn228Pot is good for you. Palin is a good mother, Palin is not the reason McCAin lost.
Huh? What? Whats that sound?
Yes, it is lovely silence :-)
He had my vote
→ Shawn
May 3, 2009 - 00:53 ET by Cool ArrowHow about a round of ROFLMAO for old times sake?
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ROFLMAO!!!!
May 3, 2009 - 00:58 ET by shawn228You stupid Palin supporters don't know what you are talking about, and I got 100 links from the msm that I amd going to spam over and over to prove my point.
Now if you will excuse me I am going to find a link to learn how to get to second base with my ex Eagle cheerleader imaginary girlfriend.
He had my vote
shawn
May 3, 2009 - 01:21 ET by MrShyThat link was, er, below the belt. Really.
You're the next contestant on...
THE MESSIAH IS... LEFT !!
Sorry shy
May 3, 2009 - 01:39 ET by shawn228Your right, that was over the line. If PT was not a total a$$ most of the time, I would feel more remorse.
He had my vote
ROFL.!
May 3, 2009 - 06:16 ET by motherbeltOMG shawn.....you are sick! LOL
I think you have way too much time on your hand- s
They might say "Wow, that sucks!" But at least they'll say "Wow!" -Duff Goldman, the Ace of Cakes
Motherbelt
May 3, 2009 - 10:03 ET by shawn228If I had a do over, I would not have linked that. I was just pretty happy that we would have to hear from a certain someone for a while.
Noel has a great thread, and I should have know better than to hijack it.
He had my vote
→ Shawn
May 3, 2009 - 11:23 ET by Cool ArrowNo big deal. He'll have plenty of time for such activities now.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Time to Revive this Thread
May 3, 2009 - 09:32 ET by BlondeWithout the nonesense. Because it is an excellent, excellent piece of work.
Friday night, Laura was subbing for BOR, and had on the "feminist" author Feldt...who proceeded to try to Palinize Ms. Prejean. Naturally, Laura wasn't buying any of it, and pulled what I call a Zeigler on her....laughing (Laura went so far as to clap at the liberal antics, and actually gave her a thumbs up), while throwing the liberal's own stupid words and erroneous statements back in her face.
This is a tactic John Zeigler used, to great effect, with that other "independent" media leftist, David Shuster. Twice, in fact. I hunted these videos down and watched them again.
These three clips, IMO, are a beautiful microcosm of the bias in the media, and the blatant tactics they continue to use to further their leftist agenda(s), and their candidate/leader, BHO.
Thanks, NS. For another great piece, this time, without the noise.
I hope he fails, too.
yes this movie is worth the publicity
May 3, 2009 - 09:45 ET by botgand Noel's excellent article deserves comment without the nonsense. (Something i tried above)
The movie goes to the core of Newsbusters raison d'etre
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
Blonde, Thanks for
May 3, 2009 - 10:39 ET by Scuba DudeBlonde,
Thanks for posting the clip of Laura talking to that "feminist". I missed it that night and am sorry that I did. And it was refreshing to see the two Ziegler/Schuster encounters. In my opinion Ziegler eviscerated Schuster. Schuster comes across to me as a walking talking point. When and if MSNBC goes under I wonder if any network would hire Schuster?
Can't wait go get the Media Malpractice dvd.
"The wrOng ONE was elected"
botg & Scuba
May 3, 2009 - 10:53 ET by BlondeYes....those clips absolutely put a point on Left Wing Media Bias.
I truly wish Fox would lose Shep at the 7:00 hour and put on Laura and John Zeigler together. Let them interview leftists like Colmes, Shuster, Gregory, et. al. IMO, their tactic of just laughing at the liberal's idiotic assertion (in this Shuster's case, always framing the question from the left) and deconstructing the stupidity, is the perfect way to go. Ann Coulter, while I love her razor sharp wit, is just too sarcastic for most viewers.
I think Zeigler & Laura's style would really open up the eyes of many "independents" who believe conservatives are mean.
I hope he fails, too.
Amen to the Shep
May 4, 2009 - 16:17 ET by ThisnThatAmen to the Shep recommendation. He's a funny guy, and can think well on his feet -- but his irrational hard-left turns are infuriating.
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The challenge is to follow a consistent plan despite inconsistent prices - Sarah Palin, State of the State of Alaska speech
Blonde
May 4, 2009 - 09:59 ET by nofateI'm a little late to this party, but thanks for those links, especially the one of Laura making mincemeat of that "feminist" hack. I love the way Laura handles herself.
Also, thanks for trying to get this thread back on track. There are many of us out here that try to comment relevantly about the blog posts put up by the journalists here at NewsBusters who are really part of the movement doing the job the mainstream media used to do. But often the comments get lost in what reminds me of barroom chatter. Not complaining, just saying what is, often it is very entertaining, as in the above brawl. There oughta be a way of moving the off topic stuff off to the side, though. Don't know if that's possible, just thinking out loud.
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
michaelyon-online.com
Glad you liked, nofate
May 4, 2009 - 10:10 ET by BlondeFunny you should say that..."barroom chatter"....I would have called it a food fight.
You make an excellent point, however....even Noel commented above that it is frustrating when these threads go so badly off topic after he's worked so hard to create a great blog post.
I suggest we go back to an old standby, thought up by our friend Mean Gene Dr. Love, to wit: "Take it to the Woodshed". This could be used by any and all posters as a cue to kindly quit derailing the current thread, no insult intended (we all tend to go off topic and often that leads to even more interesting discussions).
Agree about the Laura video, I liked it so much I posted it twice...along with the Zeigler vids, before NS put up this piece. I truly love their sublime debate tactic(s) for liberal dolts.
I hope he fails, too.
Not to keep dragging it back...
May 3, 2009 - 13:48 ET by TASS71...but, does anyone else also post/read over at hotair.com? They just booted one of their worst trolls in the last few days too. Just curious if someone found a link between the two trolls (sockpuppetry?) and both got axed within a few short days of each other... maybe I am looking too hard for a conspiracy...
However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results. - Sir Winston Churchill
Noel
May 4, 2009 - 10:57 ET by nofateYou may rest assured that many, many of us appreciate what you are doing. Your efforts on many subjects continue to inform us of how our freedoms are being attacked on a daily basis. I cannot spend as much time here as I would like due to other necessities, like earning a living and spending time doing chores, etc. Therefore, as I think I've stated before, it is amazing to me how you, Blumer, Huston, and everyone else manages to accomplish what you do. Every time I see one of your posts, I know that it is a well researched piece of work. The chatter that often sidetracks the main subject of a blog just seems to be the nature of the beast, it seems to happen on any site, and, IMO, even more so on the progressive sites. I guess the point is, don't let the occasional food fight discourage you that no one is listening. We are, and for those of us that don't have the time to dig for this stuff every day, we need you to give us the info and links to the truth that you give us on a routine basis. If I haven't been able to get the news for several days, which happens often, I can get on NewsBusters and get caught up, on both sides of the issue, BTW, in an hour or so on many of the subjects of the last few days. That cannot even be accomplished on FNC, they are too focused on the story of the hour, or day, whatever. NewsBusters has become my "newspaper" of choice. Keep up the good work.
And, while I am sucking up :-), a couple of more points. I saw you on TV, FNC I think(?), several weeks ago, and thought you did a good job. Mrs. nofate knew who you were because I've had her read so many of your articles, and called me to watch. There are so many times I'm on here reading, but not commenting, as that is time consuming. I think it must be the same for many others, as it is impossible to read all comments following every article that appears. I do well just to keep up with the main page articles, clicking over to read the full article at times, reading through the comments even less. Just know that you have a lot of followers that would sorely miss you if you weren't here, and that try to follow your posts in other publications, when someone let's us know they are there.
Your grasp of many subjects, along with the ability to get to the "nub" of the matter, is appreciated. A particular subject, for me is your expertise in the AGW/Environmentalism area. The articles you write, as well as the comments by some of your more thoughtful and informed readers, have become a jumping off point for further reading for me and, I'm sure, many others. I admire the way you and other commenters are able to stick to the fine points of the particular debate point in progress. I find myself extremely frustrated by the whole thing, as my own reading has led me to the point where these "CO2 drives climate change" advocates are nothing more than idiots, or worse, political hacks. Informed reading has taken me to other causes of climate change like water vapour, the sun, sunspots, solar wind, and cosmic rays. Also, the inevitability of climate change, can't the AGW crowd understand that we are actually in the warm part of a cool cycle in the overall picture of the earth's life? And that we are destined to descend into another ice age? And man has anything to do with any of it? Can't they see we are just along for the ride? That if the earth or the solar system or the galaxy decided to hiccup, we'd be toast, just like the dinosaurs? CO2 is so de rigueur, it angers me that people can't wake up to the futility of using it as a driver of climate. And then there's the debunking of people like Monckton, Singer, Svensmark and others that we have learned about here. And the elevation of insufferable political hacks like Gore and Hansen.
Oh, well, not to go on here. The point is to thank you for a job well done. We love you man :-)
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
michaelyon-online.com
So....um, I was just...sort
May 4, 2009 - 11:03 ET by TheGingermanSo....um, I was just...sort of...you know...wondering, would you go to the prom with me?
No
May 4, 2009 - 11:07 ET by nofateWhy, are you gay? You're barking up the wrong tree, dude.
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
michaelyon-online.com
double
May 4, 2009 - 11:11 ET by TheGingermandouble
Ha no, I was just reading
May 4, 2009 - 11:10 ET by TheGingermanHa no, I was just reading between the lines and letting everyone know what your above post was really trying to say...
It Ends Here
May 4, 2009 - 11:24 ET by nofateYou are a waste of valuable time and bandwidth. No further comment.
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
michaelyon-online.com
Ha, sorry but your post had
May 4, 2009 - 11:28 ET by TheGingermanHa, sorry but your post had me cracking up.
I just kept picturing Ben Stiller asking that girl to prom in Something About Mary, except in my mind you were Stiller and the girl was Noel.
Too funny. You have to admit your post was pretty heavy on the man love.
I have a hard time
May 4, 2009 - 11:02 ET by TheGingermanI have a hard time believing that anyone could actually push Ziegler as a reputable source.
He's proved himself to be nuts time and time again.
The fundamental problem with his argument is how he defines attacks on Palin.
The right routinely viewed routine fact finding as attacks. It was bizarre and it skews their perception hugely.
The simple fact was, Palin was not properly vetted, and she suffered because of that. She had many skeletons in her closet that were ripe for the end of the election coverage. Blame McCain, don't blame the media for doing research on a largely unknown figure.
Popular Tech Lives
May 4, 2009 - 11:06 ET by nofateYou're kidding, right? No, I didn't think so. All done with you.
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
michaelyon-online.com
I'm hardly PopTech, I just
May 4, 2009 - 11:12 ET by TheGingermanI'm hardly PopTech, I just find it bizarre that people think reporters investigating Palin's laundry list of issues constitutes an attack.
Lke they did research on Obama?
May 4, 2009 - 11:12 ET by BlondeRiiiiight.
Keep drinking the kool-aid Ginger, um, PopII.
I hope he fails, too.
Oh I am certainly
May 4, 2009 - 11:14 ET by TheGingermanOh I am certainly anti-Palin, but Pop I am not.
Don't have nearly the time or dedication to make long, insane lists of links. Truly disturbing behavior.
I just believe Palin got crushed because she deserved to be crushed.
She is a weak candidate and was an impulse, reactionary pick by the McCain camp in a last minute attempt to counter Barry's wild popularity.
Sorry.
May 4, 2009 - 11:20 ET by BlondeI'm not going to derail Noel's thread, for a third rate troll like you.
We really need a better class of troll, here. ©
I hope he fails, too.
Blonde
May 4, 2009 - 11:42 ET by rexdraconimOn a nastalgic note:
This Palin thread has just passed 200 comments. It hearkens me back to the heady days of PopTech and his "ROFLMAO!!!!"
This happens at a time when our loss is still too fresh, the wound too raw....
Why must this Troll do this at such a difficult time?
(I am a defender of food, not a fighter of food.)
"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H
"I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...every time!" -me
rex
May 4, 2009 - 11:48 ET by nofateYou should have been here when Hater was around. I think he holds the record for the speed with which he could derail a thread, and the number of times doing it.
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
michaelyon-online.com
Ginger is just reflecting
May 4, 2009 - 16:25 ET by ThisnThatGinger is just reflecting his fear of a person like Palin.
The left is really, really afraid of her, and seek to destroy before she becomes even more capable.
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The challenge is to follow a consistent plan despite inconsistent prices - Sarah Palin, State of the State of Alaska speech
Oh and as to your subject
May 4, 2009 - 11:17 ET by TheGingermanOh and as to your subject line.
Reporters did do research on Obama. Wright and Ayers were fair game. The problem for Obama opponents was that they released and emphasized this information too early in the game.
By the time the election hit the final leg, nobody cared anymore about his shady past.
→ Yeah. Ginger
May 4, 2009 - 11:20 ET by Cool ArrowAnd while he was a candidate, John Edwards was fully vetted by the Press, right?
Unsourced rumor about sexual liasson involving John McCain? NYT prints it
Sourced allegation of a sexual liasson and cocaine use involving Barack Obama in the back of a limo? NYT doesn't make a peep.
There's a difference between a rumor and an allegation, but I'm sure, for purely political reasons, you wouldn't understand it.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
As soon as the Edwards
May 4, 2009 - 11:22 ET by TheGingermanAs soon as the Edwards story was verified, the media was all over it.
I give them some leeway for not immediately printing an Enquirer story.
The Obama limo story was so obviously a fabrication. I can't even believe you are still hanging onto that joke of a story. They call that desperately wishful thinking.
Aside from Andrew Sullivan and the Palin-Trig conspiracy, everything the Mainstream Media printed about Palin was true.
→ No, Gingerman
May 4, 2009 - 11:32 ET by Cool ArrowThe story lagged in the verification because the MSM was not investigating. National Enquirer broke the story because the MSM wouldn't bother looking into it.
Contrast that with the army of reporters flooding into Alaska interviewing school board members for dirt on Palin.
They tried for days to create a story, and came back waving proof she didn't like wife beating, gun waving, drunken, law enforcement officers.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Cool, Are you really
May 4, 2009 - 11:35 ET by TheGingermanCool,
Are you really pretending you don't understand why Palin was such big news? (Not to mention, all the news they found was true.)
If you ran a news outlet, wouldn't you have sent an army of reporters to Alaska to find anything and everything out about a last minute, unknown Vice Presidential pick?
Come on. It makes perfect sense.
→ Gingerman
May 4, 2009 - 11:48 ET by Cool ArrowAre you really pretending you don't understand John Edwards, as a Presidential candidate, and later as a possible Attorney General pick, was such big news? (Not to mention, all the news the National Enquirer found was true.)
If I ran a news outlet, I would not have published a rumor about John McCain's sex life simply from rumor. Furthermore, I would not have published the Obama as homosexual story either.
But once the Times decided to go with the McCain rumor, they expose themselves as two-faced if they don't go with the Obama allegation.
Once again, I understand why you are acting dull in your understanding of the parallel.
Ginger
May 4, 2009 - 18:25 ET by MrShyHow do you not see the embarrassing irony of all of your righteous claims against Palin, and how those slings and arrows bounce right back at you some 5-10 fold with regards to the complete nothing that is Obama, along with his joke of a VP?
Like Cool points out, Edwards was a sick, miserable human being and the media didn't want to touch it, even after it was fully outed by the National Enquirer.
Biden is a 100% phony politician who is both a gaffe-prone idiot AND, worse, a man who lies about stuff with impunity, but the media never wants to touch any of that.
Obama has the biggest closet of creeps he's been closely tied to over the years, and a myriad of unanswered questions about his background and how he rose in the most filthy political environment of Chicago/IL politics. But, again and alas, the media tried extremely hard, at every turn, to not touch any of it -- and disposed of any stuff that did make it through as quickly as possible.
You're the next contestant on...
THE MESSIAH IS... LEFT !!
Why is it so hard for you
May 4, 2009 - 18:29 ET by TheGingermanWhy is it so hard for you to view Palin from an independent lens?
Even if everything you say above about Edwards and Obama is true (which a dubious claim), how does that change the fact that Palin was a bad candidate with a myriad of problems who was exposed as a fraud by a media simply doing it's job?
As for Biden, every gaffe is well-represented in the media. I'm not sure why you brought him up.
→ Shy
May 4, 2009 - 18:31 ET by Cool ArrowIf you didn't watch FOX today, you wouldn't know proceedings have commenced to charge Edwards with misappropriation in diverting campaign funds to his kept woman.
I'm not holding my breath waiting for the MSM to carry it.
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Cool
May 4, 2009 - 11:28 ET by nofateThis is just another attempt, by another PDS kook, to derail the thread. The slander is enough to make the blood boil. These freaks need to be shunned.
BTW, I thought you did a good job with PT, above.
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
michaelyon-online.com
Please explain how pointing
May 4, 2009 - 11:32 ET by TheGingermanPlease explain how pointing out that Palin was all for the Bridge To Nowhere long before she was against it is an attack?
She lied and got called out. The most bizarre part of the whole story was that she continued to lie even after her claim had been put to bed.
I actually feel bad for people who think that Palin has a future in national politics.
→ This is news?
May 4, 2009 - 11:40 ET by Cool ArrowPlease explain how Barack Obama's devotion to unrestricted abortion is not genocide against the black race.
I may understand why you're for it, I figure you for a white liberal.
If you were honest about it, as a liberal, you'd demand quotas.
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Not sure what this has to do
May 4, 2009 - 11:42 ET by TheGingermanNot sure what this has to do with anything.
→ Weak defense
May 4, 2009 - 12:42 ET by Cool ArrowThere are two explanations for that post. Neither of them paint you in a very flattering light.
To the first: Get real!
To the second: Sorry Ginger, I can't type slow enough to make you understand.
Wow, Ginger! You realize I just implied you favor genocide because you're a white liberal, and you're "Not sure what this has to do with anything"?
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Obama isn't for
May 4, 2009 - 18:30 ET by balboaObama isn't for "unrestricted abortion" in order to commit genocide, is he? And there are other races that take advantage of those services, aren't there?
→ Right bal
May 4, 2009 - 18:48 ET by Cool ArrowI'd love to hear the explanations as to why blacks require more abortions per capita than whites.
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I could make guesses as to
May 4, 2009 - 18:51 ET by balboaI could make guesses as to why they _have_ more abortions, not why they _require_ them.
But again, there's nothing to suggest that Obama is making access to abortions easier because he wants to wipe out the black population.
→ OK
May 4, 2009 - 19:05 ET by Cool ArrowSo since they don't "require" them, but have them anyway, you're implying "convenience".
I'm not sure that's better, but I'll go along if you say it's more accurate.
And as far as the other point, it's a statistic our President should be aware of by day 105. Good thing he saved all of us from the Swine Flu.
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Please explain why the
May 4, 2009 - 11:50 ET by Scuba DudePlease explain why the media has not been all over Bambi for:
1. Occidental College records – Not released
2. Columbia College records – Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper – “not available”
4. Harvard College records – Not released
5. Selective Service Registration – Not released
6. Medical records – Not released
7. Illinois State Senate records – “not available”
8. Illinois State Senate schedule – “not available”
9. Law practice client list – Not released
10. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate – Not released
11. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth – Not released
12. Harvard Law Review articles published – None
13. University of Chicago scholarly articles - None
And you say Gov Palin wasn't vetted? Step away from the kool-aid.
"The wrOng ONE was elected"
sure ginger
May 4, 2009 - 12:21 ET by candanceYou're totally right. She's a successful and popular governor, wife of a successful businessman, and independent thinker who is not afraid of confronting corrupt Republicans.
But a pregnant daughter and a DUI from 20 years ago was more pressing than all that. No no no, lefties don't peddle in trailer park gossip at all.
Jeremiah Wright became a story only after Sean Hannity pushed it, and then the media "covered" it by defending Wright, giving him sympathetic interviews on PBS, and inviting him to speak at the National Press Club. The media "covered" Bill Ayers by painting it as a Republican smear. They "covered" his ties to terrorists by saying it was undercover racism from Republicans.
Sarah Palin prayed for God's will in Iraq, and she was a radical theocrat. Obama prayed for God to use him in the exact same way, and he was just a humble man who wanted to do the right thing.
Palin fans were constantly portrayed as racist, angry, Bible thumping zealots who would plot to kill Obama if he won the election. Many of Obama's fans, who actually *were* angry zealots and *had* plotted to kill people, didn't have anything to do with Obama himself.
Everything Palin did was racism in code words, trailer trash in a designer dress, a walking set of boobs without a clue. Poor Obama was the victim of smears, a martyr of racism, a misunderstood mind who was too intellectual for his own good. His mistakes were simple gaffes. His condescending tone was a result of superior knowledge. His fumbles were but gentle reminders that our messiah is still human.
Don't sit there and tell me the vetting was the same.
**candance
May 4, 2009 - 12:26 ET by pelicanmarsh"Everything Palin did was racism in code words, trailer trash in a
designer dress, a walking set of boobs without a clue. Poor Obama was
the victim of smears, a martyr of racism, a misunderstood mind who was
too intellectual for his own good. His mistakes were simple gaffes. His
condescending tone was a result of superior knowledge. His fumbles were
but gentle reminders that our messiah is still human."
WOW.
Brilliantly said.
Real eyes realize real lies. Machine Head
**
May 4, 2009 - 22:17 ET by Scuba Dude"The wrOng ONE was elected"
→ candance
May 4, 2009 - 12:29 ET by Cool ArrowI don't think Ginger could seriously attempt a refutation of your post.
Good stuff.
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Candance
May 4, 2009 - 12:34 ET by shawn228The liberal media were out to get Palin and were very biased against her, I don't disagree there.
Again, I want to stress that her interviews were disasters and I am glad some of the NB community admit that. She came across as someone that was unsure of herself and those clips got millions of hits on Youtube.
I know you are sceptical of polls but don't forget McCain was up in the polls after the Convention and Palin re-engergized the base. After the interviews her popularity started dropping and became late night fodder. I am convinced if she held her own and came across as someone like Megyn Kelly, McCAin might be POTUS right now.
He had my vote
well shawn
May 4, 2009 - 13:10 ET by candanceAs you know, I've agreed with you about some of that in the past. I was in the small minority here who criticized her for stalling about abortion clinic bombers being terrorists.
I still put most of the blame for that on McCain's people. They coached her to the point that she was wound too tight. The terse looking woman who spoke to Katie Couric was not the same person from the RNC convention. After the Couric fiasco is when we started getting rumors about her "going rogue" and blowing off the coaching. Then after the loss, we conveniently heard that she was so stupid she didn't know basic geography. It was obvious - Republican operatives were blaming her for McCain's loss.
We will never know if the interviews were the real cause or not, because the bailout nonsense started quickly thereafter and McCain sunk his own ship.
Candance, Palin is
May 4, 2009 - 16:51 ET by TheGingermanCandance,
Palin is mediocre at best and while she claimed to fight the old boy network, we found soon after her nomination that that was hardly the case. She was all talk and no substance.
Of course Palin's pregnant umarried teen daughter was big news. Americans love human interest stories. Why do you think tabloids continue to sell like gang-busters? People love it. It has nothing to do with left or right. It has to do with the fact that many many many Americans (esp. stay at home moms) love juicy, virulent gossip. I can't explain it, but then again I don't watch Oprah, Maury, or Springer.
Furthermore, it's wild that she claimed to be a wholesome, highly involved mother, yet her daughter was busy getting busy. This was covered b/c it was interesting. Amazingly interesting. I see no liberal bias here.
Sarah Palin was a wacky religious nut and she got called out for it. The video of her church in action was disturbing, even for most Christians. Sorry. Her prayer for God's will in Iraq merely served to further people's impression that she was super weird Christian. It's good to know, frankly, I don't want people making decisions based on God's will, I want them making decisions based on facts and information. As the election showed, most Americans agree with me.
Palin was a walking set of boobs? Please. I loved her whining about sexism. The best part was the people doing the most whining (FOXNEWS) made the same 'sexist' attacks against Hillary during the Dem Primary that they were crying about with Palin. So funny. John Stewart put that to bed with a side by side montage that put those talking heads to shame.
Sarah Palin was not smart. At all. Not even a little bit. Sure she got crushed for being stupid. She is stupid. Spin the interviews any way you want, the fact of the matter is that she came off as a total dope. Polls tanked after the Couric interview. She claimed she was railroaded. Please. Most absurd claim ever.
Palin is a nobody. All it took was minor research to expose her for the fraud that she is. You can talk about DUIs and pregnant daughters but those were just peripheral stories. The meat of the movement against her came from cold, hard, facts.
She was for the Bridge To Nowhere, she hired a lobbyist to obtain earmarks from Ted Stevens (hardly fighting the old boy network), her campaigns were funded heavily by big oil, she supports teaching Creationism (ha), she served as Director for Ted Steven's 527, Troopergate, she thought the founding fathers wrote the pledege of allegiance, she said Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were too expensive for the taxpayers (despite the fact that these companies aren't taxypayer funded).......the list goes on and on.
I just mentioned a few.
Furthermore, since the election she's managed to lose even more popularity. It's incredible but the more she does, the less people like her.
Sarah Palin was nothing more than a handful of slogans that upon minimal inquiry were shown to be completely bunk. She was a phony and that's why she lost.
Blame the media all you want, but the facts are the facts. Palin was a hoax and the media exposed her as such.
As a result, there is no reason to even compare her to Obama. At all. They aren't even in the same ball park.
Thank you Pop2
May 4, 2009 - 16:54 ET by BlondeWhere's your Justin Timberlake bio pic?
I hope he fails, too.
Fair Enough. That's the
May 4, 2009 - 17:10 ET by TheGingermanFair Enough.
That's the last all say.
I just can't believe that people actually believe there was no substance to the stories reported by the media. Those findings were tested again and again, and each time they came back valid.
Case in point, Bridge To Nowhere. That's all you have to say to render Ziegler's crusade irrelevant.
Well, and the outdated VHS-style cover isn't helping him any.
Ginger
May 4, 2009 - 17:46 ET by MrShy"Palin was a hoax and the media exposed her as such."
First off, the liberal agenda-driven media systematically created a straw-man hoax of Palin.
Secondly, Obama was/is *THE BIGGEST* hoax perpetrated on the masses in the history of mankind. Let me repeat this, because it bears repeating:
*THE BIGGEST* hoax perpetrated on the masses in the history of mankind.
And, as this site, it's writers, and it's members have all painstakingly worked to expose, the media deliberately did not lift a finger to expose the man, all the while rushing to his defense with scandal/suspicion after scandal/suspicion.
"Those findings were tested again and again, and each time they came back valid."
Those findings were tested again and again by the liberal agenda-driven media, and each time they came back valid from that same liberal agenda-driven media.
You're the biggest sucker out there, Ginger. But you seem happy and content with yourself. Well, I'm told it's a blissful existence for your type. Sometimes I wish I was more of a simpleton and not so capable of sniffing out obvious b.s. when I see it (i.e., Obama, Clintons, Biden, etc.) and obvious real, good people when I see it (Palin being a shining example.)
You're the next contestant on...
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Soooo, did she didn't
May 4, 2009 - 18:12 ET by TheGingermanSoooo, did she didn't support the Bridge To Nowhere well before she was against it?
Your post merely repeats the liberal bias argument. You don't challenge a single flaw in her candidacy that I listed above that warranted heavy media coverage.
→ OK, she did
May 4, 2009 - 18:19 ET by Cool ArrowShe did say something good about the Bridge to nowhere before she decided the money could be better spent elsewhere.
So, yes, she did show support early on for the Bridge.
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She didn't just show support
May 4, 2009 - 18:22 ET by TheGingermanShe didn't just show support early. She supported it until the bitter end when it became a symbol of wasteful spending.
POP2, Cut and paste much?
May 4, 2009 - 20:55 ET by upcountrywaterI thought of gleeping some of PT's science, data links..
Never ever thought of gleeping his personal GOVERNOR SARAH PALIN (fill in the expletive here) sort of sound alike comments.
Wow dude, you sure are getting blown around the wind mill park.
Feelings over science is where you shine.
Where si-fi is real. In the world of a non pandemic swine flue.
You have a lot to gloat for..Like a public tax that get's me a 50% high school drop out rate, and a 2nd. 0bama term, guaranteed.
Reagan VS 0bama
wait!
May 4, 2009 - 17:05 ET by katainkentI think there's room for more stereotyping in your post. Lemme get a shoehorn. Stay right there.
Hold on ‘cause the world will turn if you're ready or not ~ KT Tunstall
Show me one stereotype in
May 4, 2009 - 17:13 ET by TheGingermanShow me one stereotype in my entire post.
A direct quote will do.
direct quote
May 4, 2009 - 17:16 ET by katainkent(esp. stay at home moms) love juicy, virulent gossip.
Hold on ‘cause the world will turn if you're ready or not ~ KT Tunstall
→ kata
May 4, 2009 - 17:34 ET by Cool ArrowTo Gingerman, that's not a stereotype. That's his reality.
He learned it from the feminists whom he thanks for allowing him to pass through the birth canal.
Stockholm syndrome.
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Well somebody's buying it
May 4, 2009 - 18:15 ET by TheGingermanWell somebody's buying it and there's a reason they put them right next to the super market check out line...
oh, so
May 4, 2009 - 19:35 ET by katainkentnow you're saying only stay at home moms shop for food?
Hold on ‘cause the world will turn if you're ready or not ~ KT Tunstall
Not exclusively, but
May 4, 2009 - 19:49 ET by TheGingermanNot exclusively, but predominantly. As I said, the supermarkets put them there for a reason.
Oprah's huge too. Wonder why?
→ As it turns out
May 4, 2009 - 17:06 ET by Cool ArrowFreddie and Fannie are, and were, too expensive for the taxpayers.
It really doesn't take an in-depth understanding of economics.
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How so?
May 4, 2009 - 17:13 ET by TheGingermanHow so?
→ Never mind Ginger
May 4, 2009 - 17:26 ET by Cool ArrowYou allowed my implication that you support genocide to stand, so I'll assume you have no argument with the assessment.
Now you're feigning ignorance of how the TARP is funneled into saving Freddie and Fannie.
You're really not aware the AIG bailout is directly related to F&F underwriting loans to people who had neither the collateral nor the wherewithal to own a home?
You win. I can't debate you when your best defense is ignorance.
Done with you.
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I have no idea what you are
May 4, 2009 - 18:19 ET by TheGingermanI have no idea what you are talking about with regard to genocide.
If you're referring to your earlier, nonsensical post, then I'm sorry, I still don't get it or its relevance to Ziegler / Palin.
How is TARP funneled to Freddie and Fannie exactly?
→ Same comeback
May 4, 2009 - 18:26 ET by Cool ArrowI told you feigning ignorance doesn't exactly paint you in a favorable light. That is true
And I said I'm done with you and your dumb trout comeback. That wasn't exactly true, obviously.
But it is now.
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I would take everything this
May 4, 2009 - 18:33 ET by balboaI would take everything this guy says with a huge grain of salt, just as anyone here would of anything Olbermann or Matthews said. This guy has an agenda, so it's usually safe to say he's going to skew any findings to support that agenda.
Palin was propped up to be this plain-speakin' new leader of the right...except she had a pregnant teenage daughter, and was for extravagant spending before she was against it when it started to look bad. That seems pretty fair.
bal
May 4, 2009 - 18:50 ET by botgso you've seen the movie then?
what particulars should we suspect?
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
Haven't seen it. But if
May 4, 2009 - 18:53 ET by balboaHaven't seen it. But if someone told you to take a Michael Moore movie at face value, would you? No. Same here.
so Bal
May 4, 2009 - 18:57 ET by botgyou have other Zeigler movies to base that judgement on?
See Mikie has a track record.......
now on to your particulars......
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
→ Easy pickings
May 4, 2009 - 18:56 ET by Cool ArrowJoe Biden - For decades Biden has been at the forefront of the war on drugs,
supporting new prohibitions against methamphetamine, Ecstasy, steroids
used by athletes, and other new drugs as they became popular.
Well, at least nothing is said in that clip about cocaine. That would make him a hypocrite becdause his daughter used cocaine, huh?
Bal, I honestly can't believe you'd jump in with a "Let's trash Bristol" crowd.
Please don't judge my parents for the things I've done. Those were my mistakes.
I didn't trash Bristol.And
May 4, 2009 - 19:06 ET by balboaI didn't trash Bristol.And those are two different things, IMO. Drug use by someone's adult daughter who's not living under Joe's roof anymore versus a teenage daughter who gets pregnant.
→ Sorry bal
May 4, 2009 - 19:13 ET by Cool ArrowMy parents taught me differently, but my first "experience"happened while I was still in High School, before I moved out.
There really isn't a difference.
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Not in genergal, no.
May 4, 2009 - 19:24 ET by balboaNot in genergal, no. BUT...you're not running for office for the party that claims the moral high ground, not the candidate that's supposed to stand for all the things your party believes the left doesn't stand for.
→ Say what?
May 4, 2009 - 19:27 ET by Cool ArrowSo Joe Biden really wasn't at the forefront of the War On Drugs?
That's not something he really stood for?
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He was. It was.
May 4, 2009 - 19:32 ET by balboaHe was.
It was.
→ OK, thanks
May 4, 2009 - 19:41 ET by Cool ArrowSo if the Press was really doing their job, they'd be going after Biden because of his daughter's drug use.
I disagree, but you're welcome to your opinion.
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I think there's a difference
May 4, 2009 - 19:43 ET by balboaI think there's a difference in a choice a daughter makes as a minor living at home vs. a choice a daughter allegedly makes several years after moving out and living on their own for quite some time.
Cool...
May 4, 2009 - 20:05 ET by JerSo...you're saying "abstinence only" doesn't necessarily work?
Jer
→ Yes, Jer
May 4, 2009 - 20:08 ET by Cool ArrowI hope that isn't a news flash.
Is there a State that currently teaches "abstinence only"?
I don't know, but I'd be surprised.
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Biden's daughter was only made an issue
July 4, 2009 - 05:52 ET by TheHistorianBiden's daughter was only made an issue of after she was out of the house when Biden was running a campaign. I can't find the references, but my recollection is that it was known that she was doing drugs in high school when Joe ran for President last time. So if she was, that makes it the same thing, doesn't it? Except that the media was complicit in covering up Joe's "two-facedness" because he is a liberal.
Absinence works every time it is tried. Unfortunately, Bristol forgot that. But to sit around and say abstinence never works is an excuse that you don't believe that teen-agers can be taught to think with their heads rather than their sex organs. And THAT is not true. What has happened is that liberals have taken away the societal pressure to say no to ANYTHING from pre-marital sex to cheating in school and then say that the system won't work.
I remember when there was such a thing as a black family as a common occurrence. After the Johnson war on black families (called the war on poverty), the single black mother, grandmother, and great-grandmother being a family and all under 40 seems to be pretty prevalent to me, and has come about thanks to liberal "do-gooders"...
"What experience and history teach is
this - that people and governments never have learned anything from history,
or acted on principles deduced from it."
G. W. F. Hegel
The media is afraid
July 4, 2009 - 05:40 ET by TheHistorianI have come to the conclusion that the media is NOT post-racial, so they can't be hard on the black guy like they can men, women, etc who are all equal. They are afraid that they will damage his "opportunity" by badmouthing it. That is why they treat not just Obama this way, but also also treat Jesse Jackson, Sharpton, Nagin, "Cold Cash" Jefferson, Powell, and all other blacks with kid gloves. They also have extended that same fear to Hispanics, al a Sotomayor.
Oops, I forgot about the lousy treatment that they have given Steele, Rice, Blackwell, Clarence Thomas, Soule, Williams, Estevez, etc. I guess I have to say it is only black and Hispanic liberals of which they are afraid. I guess it proves that Conservatism is post-racial.
"What experience and history teach is
this - that people and governments never have learned anything from history,
or acted on principles deduced from it."
G. W. F. Hegel