Although historians have debated the issue for decades, Jon Stewart has no question about this controversial matter: former President Harry S. Truman is a war criminal for dropping the atomic bomb on Hiroshima in 1945.
Such was discussed on Tuesday's "The Daily Show" with the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies' Clifford May in a lively exchange about interrogation procedures.
Although it was not aired on Tuesday due to the length of their extraordinary conversation, the entire interview was posted at Comedy Central's website in two parts (video part II embedded below the fold, relevant section at 5:40, h/t Hot Air):
The Daily Show With Jon Stewart M - Th 11p / 10c Cliff May Unedited Interview Pt. 2
Daily Show
Full EpisodesEconomic Crisis First 100 Days JON STEWART: I try and draw the line where our country has drawn it for 200 years.
CLIFFORD MAY: Do you think in World War II we did not inflict pain and suffering on suspects in the war in Japan?
STEWART: I would hope we didn't waterboard people. I would hope we didn't...
MAY: We did do Hiroshima. Do you think, do you think Truman is a war criminal for that?
STEWART: Yeah.
MAY: You do?
STEWART: Yeah.
MAY: Okay. This is a, this is a...
STEWART: Here's what I think of the atom bombs. I think if you dropped an atom bomb fifteen miles offshore and you said, "The next one's coming and hitting you," then I would think it's okay. To drop it on a city, and kill a hundred thousand people. Yeah. I think that's criminal.
Of course, as May pointed out later, at stake for both countries was a prolonged war that might have been responsible for far more deaths potentially into the millions on both sides. What wasn't discussed was how the Truman administration apparently entertained a threatening trial run offshore, but this was scrapped due to a number of concerns including the possibility that one or both of the bombs mightn't have worked and that Japan mightn't have surrendered even if the offshore explosion transpired.
This after all was a new science never tested in combat conditions. As such, what if the offshore explosion had worked, but failed to evoke a Japanese surrender followed by the second bomb NOT going off? Then, the successful explosion did nothing, and the war continues.
This ongoing moral debate aside, regardless of whether one feels Truman should have done something other than what he did, calling him a war criminal 64 years later is just pathetic.
That said, these unedited interviews are well worth your time, so much so that May admitted at the end that it was the best televised discussion he's had on this issue to date (part I below):
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I can't stomach listening
April 30, 2009 - 16:32 ET by bigtimerI can't stomach listening to one word Stewert has to stay...maybe later...we all know what leftist, agenda-filled, whiz-bang he is....nothing like undeserved attention...that he always craves.
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I will bet the bank
April 30, 2009 - 22:07 ET by doug1950that if Jon's little narrow ass was one the men that would have take the beaches and slog their way through mainland Japan and Okinawa he would feel a little diffently. These pencil necked geeks all think they know more than those that actually do the fighting and dying while they stand around talking about it at their Hollywood cocktail parties. Jon would not make a pimple on the butt of a real American warrior.
Stationed in Okinawa 3 years. 'lil johnny needs to visit the
May 1, 2009 - 12:13 ET by pahubermemorial there that is dedicated to the thousands of our men and locals & everyone else that died during the war for this one island.
God bless the Atomic Bomb!
hmmmm
April 30, 2009 - 22:25 ET by klchadwick"Jon Stewart: Truman's a War Criminal for Bombing Hiroshima"....and John Stewart is a Criminal for producing this drivel.....
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Clueless
April 30, 2009 - 16:32 ET by StogieGuyIf we had people like Jon Leibovitz running things back in 1945, most of us would be speaking German and his descendants wouldn't even exist. And the governor of Alaska would be a Japanese guy.
Clearly, this guy doesn't know or understand history. Dropping those bombs saved an untold number of lives (versus an invasion of Japan) and demonstrated such horror that nobody else has done it in the past 64 years - even though many could have.
What's scary is how many generation Y dingbats get their news from this clown.
What may be lost on these
April 30, 2009 - 16:51 ET by jdhawkWhat may be lost on these two clowns is that many more enemy lives were lost fire bombing Japanese and German cities than were lost using the atom bombs. It was the "shock and awe" to use a modern term that shook the Japanese into the reality that their cause was lost and their emperor may actually have it wrong - remember he was treated as if and was thought as a god by the Japanese people.
Regarding a possible demonstration, we only had two atom bombs at the time and it would have taken many months to manufacture more. Should a demonstration not worked, we would have been down to one. If that did not work, we would have had to continue the war for some time while we readied more bombs. Of course, the next step in the war was the invasion of their main island. It is estimated that it would have cost 500,000 lives to do so.
The best thing that could have happened did happen. We got unconditional surrender and transformed the two warring nations into democracy and our allies.
Regarding torture, if an enemy combatant was not in uniform during WWII - in other words was spying - they were shot dead as soon as was practical, but only after field interrogation was applied. Hint: field interrogation did not involve caterpillars . . .
Stewart & history
April 30, 2009 - 17:25 ET by Galvanic"What may be lost on these two clowns is that many more enemy lives were lost fire bombing Japanese and German cities than were lost using the atom bombs."
I'm pretty sure Stewart would label the fire-bombings as criminal acts, too.
Stewart is the kind who calls the fire department to extinguish his burning home and save his family, then after the fire is out, condemns them for getting water in his basement.
Do ANY Dems read History, or just regurgitate what they're told?
May 1, 2009 - 02:12 ET by HippopaulimusActually, the estimate was 1 million, on both sides!
People tend to forget the Russians were fighting the majority of the Germans when we invaded Europe. Japan was to be our own little party, and all the casualties with it.
Containing the Island would have only resulted in starving millions of Japanese...the military always gets the first supplies. And it wasn't Hirihito that was holding out, but the military leaders, who were actually running the country. Also, the American people would never have stood for sitting and waiting another year or two, for Japan to surrender.
Japan was trying to start a nuclear program, but did not have anywhere near the resources or time. Once the German program was destroyed, we intercepted the shipment of Hard Water from the Germans to the Japanese.
Also, the bombs were dropped quickly to give the impression that we had a stockpile, not only to the Japanese, but also to the Russians. We had , finally, realized, at that point, that the Russians were not to be trusted.This did have an effect on slowing Russian aggression, particularly in that theater.
The only ones saying we shouldn't have dropped the bombs are libtards, who never, no matter what topic, or how many times they are disproven, let a protest subject go. The years immediately following the war, when the whole situation came to light, it was agreed, By Both Sides, that the correct decisions were made, by the USA. AND MILLIONS OF LIVES, ON BOTH SIDES WERE SAVED!
White - does not mean racist
Heterosexual - does not mean homophobic
Male - does not mean sexist
Moral relativism at its finest
April 30, 2009 - 16:35 ET by G. MayBecause everyone knows it's far more humane to kill people from regular fire instead of nuclear fire, to rip their flesh from little bits of metal flying at high speeds instead of instantly incinerating them, or cause massive trauma from multiple concussion explosions instead of one big one.
Yes, bayonetting or shooting them or bashing them over the heads with rifle butts is imminently more sanitary to the horrors of a nuclear bomb.
Lying awake screaming and dying from wounds received from more traditional death dealing devices is more preferable to lying awake screaming and dying from wounds received from a nuclear blast.
What were we thinking?
There is evidence
April 30, 2009 - 16:41 ET by Jackrvthat Japan was close to having a bomb of their own.
A possible use would have been to put it near the invasion force and set it off.
Jack Van Nostrand
No evidence of Japanise A-Bomb
April 30, 2009 - 17:07 ET by Kingfish17Please show me some credible evidence of Japan being anywhere close to developing an atomic bomb. Everything I have ever studied about WWII has led me to believe the opposite. I have an open mind and if I am misinformed I'd love to know differently.
This book
April 30, 2009 - 17:32 ET by JackrvJapan's Secret War, Japan's race against time to build it's own A bomb by Robert K. Wilcox. Copyright 1995
There was even a show on the history channel about Japan's efforts.
Jack Van Nostrand
Thanks
April 30, 2009 - 17:39 ET by Kingfish17I'll give those books a look. I know that Japan had a program to build an atomic weapon, but from everything I've read or seen, that program was a dismal failure and no where close to even getting off the ground. Maybe these books will demonstrate otherwise.
The failure of their program, however, was something that the United States could not rely on.
Hideki Yukawa was brilliant
April 30, 2009 - 18:12 ET by RR GOPHideki Yukawa was brilliant nuclear physicist and was working in Japan through World War II. However, Japan's ability to produce a nuclear weapon seems to have lagged well behind even Nazi Germany's. Consider the enormous amount of resources and energy the U.S. spent on the Manhattan Project-Japan simply did not have those resources. I'm not sure they had even the theoretical concept of The Bomb.
Even Germany had top nuclear physicists such as Hahn, Strassman, the Noddacks and Werner Heisenberg, but after the war it was confirmed that Heisenberg's team could not have operated a controlled nuclear fission reaction and had no concept of the atomic bomb. I suspect that the Allies were actually well aware of that during the war, but perhaps thought it better not to take chances.
As for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I don't think it was necessary to bomb them, either. The Japanese islands could have been quarantined as their navy and air forces were decimated and they did not have anywhere near enough domestic resources to be a threat.
But, consider what it would have taken to root out the Japanese Imperial armies on mainland Asia if no surrender was forthcoming.
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).
The first order of business in Olympic/Coronet
April 30, 2009 - 23:39 ET by UnsanePeople who whine about Hiroshima and Nagasaki should review Operations Olympic and Coronet sometime.
First order of business: nerve gas the landing grounds.
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tired of liberal
May 1, 2009 - 08:44 ET by stunnedtired of liberal lies
Good Post but you seem to believe that a blockade (quarantine) of Japan would have ended the threat of Japan. What would have happened to the tens of thousands of POW's and civilians starving in camps all throughout southeast asia and China and what about the millions living under Japanese occupation? The Japanese military authority would have happily starved prisoners and millions of their own people during a blockade. The costs of the war had nearly exhausted the US already and and we could not have kept it up for long or kept the hundreds of thousands of draftees in service for years waiting for Japan to surrender. The bloody truth of war is the decisive victory leads to lasting peace and bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (225 thousand dead) less than died during the fire bombing of Toyko (250 thousand dead in May 1945) saved millions of lives and lead to a REAL peace that spared millions of more lives. Also the dirty little secret is that the unconditional surrender also lead to the demise of the military authority in Japan and lead to a Democratic government imposed on it by the US which improved the lives the nearly one billion Japanese born since the end of the war.
FDR and firebombing Tokyo - 100K killed
April 30, 2009 - 16:42 ET by Gary HallFrom a piece posted at Common Dreams:
Naturally, President Roosevelt is not mentioned in the piece.
And for Stewart, and the rest of that "blame America first" crowd, the atomic bomb was developed under the direction of FDR. Truman didn't know of the program, until after he became president. Does anyone question that FDR would not have used the bomb?
Had FDR lived a bit longer, would the left be so quick to paint him in this same aura of darkness? I think not.
If we want to focus on the horrors of the era, then let's keep the focus on the horrors perpetrated by the Japanese on human civilization. From the hundreds of thousands the Japanese murdered (pure genocide) in China, to the horrific treatment of POW's to this story in today's news, South Korea's wartime sex slaves: Hoping for closure at the end of their lives - the issue of using the bomb is an interesting discussion - nothing more; the issue of historical importance is the sickness of the Japanese Imperialistic Empire - and what they dished out on humanity.
The progressive documentary film producer and director, Ken Burns, in his recent massive project on WWII, had something to offer to the Stewarts of the world. Burns, in reflecting back on the year's long effort in making the documentary, expressed that when he began, he assumed that when he got to the end of the story and presented the twin atomic bombings that it would be in the light of how Stewart sees it, however, after living with the survivors of the war, in the Pacific and elsewhere, and hearing and experiencing the terror that we were confronted with, and what our troops were confronted with, that by the time he got to the end of the project, he realized that he was in no position to judge the decisions that others were forced to make some 60 years before his time.
Some people grow up - others never do.
gary
even former Japanese soldiers don't blame America
April 30, 2009 - 16:53 ET by UndercoverConservativeMy best friend was fortunate enough to be in Hawaii and due to his pilot-connection friends was able to attend an anniversary meeting between the pilots that flew Bockscar and Enola Gay on those nuclear runs.
Japanese soldiers and pilots *apologized* to the American pilots, for their Empire's disgrace that forced these pilots to have to drop the bombs, and to have to deal with the deaths that weighed on their consciences.
it wasn't until very recently that it was "okay" to blame America for the bombs in culture there. But since we were doing it ourselves, and since "Blame America" is so "trendy" of course it became a refrain carried among secondary school students and attention mongerers.
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Mostly agree with you, Gary...
May 1, 2009 - 00:23 ET by JerMostly agree with you, Gary...but for the sake of clarification, are you suggesting FDR would or would not have authorized the use of atomic bombs?
Jer
Jer.. Jer.. Jer.. Mostly agree?
May 1, 2009 - 00:58 ET by Gary HallFor the record, I said:
I can't imagine that you disagreed with anything I said here - truely, I don't.. (;~> gary
Gary... I can read what
May 1, 2009 - 01:05 ET by JerGary...
I can read what you wrote. I just wanted to establish that you indeed believe FDR would have used the bomb. It was a little unclear.
Jer
Jer..
May 1, 2009 - 13:21 ET by Gary HallYes, I believe he would have. I don't know that he would have, but I believe that he would have. I wonder if anyone did a national poll in the moment? My sneaky feeling is, that if a poll had been conducted the day before the first bomb was dropped, and the public was told what Truman knew at the time, that it would have been one of the most lopsided polls in history.
A quick reality check for (of) the left. A dear friend of ours - a bit older - well educated (PhD) - a teacher (HS) - like so many more of the far left progressive folks - spews hatred at the that bombing that ended WWII - spews hatred about Darfur - about how we treat Cuba - etc. Recently, I asked him, at the appropriate moment, how he felt about the Rape of Nanking. He said, "What?" In another conversation, at the appropriate moment, I asked him how he felt about the 3 1/2 million who died in the DR Congo between 1997 and the end of the Clinton term - just after Clinton said, "Never Again," in that horrific civil war (which included numerous genocides), and he said, "What?" I asked him how he felt about Bush's historic Aids and malaria initiative in Africa, etc., and he said, "it's bullshit - nothing but propaganda." I said, I heard they've saved more than a million lives - and he says, "where do you read that crap?"
There are tens of millions of Americans, and others in the world, who are well read (they think), and who are completely ignorant of what goes on in the world. I blame the MSM. (;~/ gary
Gary... Your friend was
May 1, 2009 - 15:54 ET by JerGary...
Your friend was not well-educated. [In what field of study was his doctorate?] I--and every liberal friend I have--know about the Japanese atocities in Nanking. I am familiar with and have read portions of Chang's book "The Rape of Nanking" (she committed suicide a couple of years ago) which is the authoritative source on the subject.
Clinton would have been impeached by the Congressional Republicans if he had intervened in Rwanda.
Also, Bush's magnificent efforts in Africa are well-known and have been praised by the left. In fact, I read a very positive article about them at HuffPo.
Jer
I was very saddened to read
May 1, 2009 - 17:07 ET by BDI was very saddened to read of the suicide of that author.
Wrongo Jer,
May 1, 2009 - 17:47 ET by IamTinmanOne article in Huffpo does not any level of approval make. Most of the liberals I have discussed this with were clueless about the Bush aids initiatives in Africa and refused to believe the respect which he is held in there.
There is a very well written article by David Corn explaining Clintons lack of action regarding Rwanda at http://www.thenation.com/blogs/capitalgames/1353
The reason pure and simple was that Clinton had just gotten thoroughly embarrassed in Somalia and didn't want to repeat it.
Maybe you hang out with a
May 1, 2009 - 18:02 ET by JerMaybe you hang out with a bunch of idiot liberals, Tinman. The ones I associate with are pretty smart.
Can you name me the international initiatives/interventions by Clinton which won broad conservative support. They were screaming for him to withdraw from Somalia the very next day after the "Black Hawk Down" tragedy. Not Haiti...not Kosovo...not Bosnia...not his attempt to blow bin Laden to bits...not his bombing of Iraq.
Jer
→ I missed it
May 1, 2009 - 18:09 ET by Cool ArrowI don't remember the Conservatives begging Bill Clinton to cut and run in Somalia.
I don't even remember a big outcry from the right demanding American troops not be forced to wear UN uniforms.
I don't even remember the right complaining much when Bill Clinton sent Cruise missiles into a country (Iraq) with whom we were not at war.
I do remember some outcry over bombing an aspirin factory in Sudan.
It's hard to talk when you're teabagging - Anderson Cooper
IamTinman
May 1, 2009 - 18:40 ET by Gary HallYou know it's very interesting, indeed. The mainstream national media reads the progressive left - they relate to the progressive left - but they keep most of what is said on the progressive left out of the national discussion. The MSM will quote and/or pound the public with almost any critque offered up by voices on the right when they critque the Republicans, but this same MSM will seldom allow their broad audience to hear the critque from the far left of the Democrats.
With that in mind - yea, that was a good piece by Corn from the left on Clinton and Rwanda. Here's another on Rwanda:
Bystanders to Genocide by Samatha Power. She was Obama's international advisor, until she called Hillary a "monster" last summer. I think she's back in the loop again now.
And on the HIV/Aids record by President Bill Clinton, while president, here's what David Corn had to say. He is not alone, in the view.
It's a no-brainer to understand that not a soul in the national media has any interest - never did - in asking Bill Clinton who as president turned his back on:
HIV/Aids in Africa and the rest of the 3rd world
On the suffering people of Afghanistan, when the Taliban were rendering genocide on them in the late 90's conquest.
On the suffering millions in the DR Congo, Sierra Leone, the Ivory Coast, Angola, and Liberia - while he was busy trying to promise, "Never Again."
The American people for leaving them with a crashing economy, resulting in a dissapearing budget surplus, and stoking the fire for the Housing Bubble which would cause even much more pain than his dot.com era of greed and fraud.
The black community who according to the Rev. Wright he screwed, just as he did Monica Lewinski.
Good night and good luck - world.
(;~/ gary
Jer..
May 1, 2009 - 18:18 ET by Gary HallJer... Yes there has been bits of positive bits scattered in the press on teh Bush effort -- almost all seemingly reluctantly printed. Several have been forced by yours truely.
On the other hand - we still get this general and broadly accepted view by way too many. This, a Mercury News editorial from Nov., 2008:
Now, here we are talking about completely loosing the ethics of context. Bush's funding passed out over 2.2 billion condoms in Africa from 2004 thru 2008. The Mercury News knows what they are doing here. So does the activist left:
See: Too little, too late - How many times is Bill Clinton going to apologize to Africa?
Well, Gary, I regret
May 1, 2009 - 18:28 ET by JerWell, Gary, I regret statements like the one you have quoted. But when bloggers at HuffPo and lefty commentators like Eleanor Clift and others are praising Bush's African initiatives, I think it may be inappropriate to tar the entire "activist left".
Jer
Jer..
May 1, 2009 - 18:55 ET by Gary HallYou are exhausting! The problem Jer, is it's not isolated - it was most everywhere - and it never stopped coming. (can you imagine Larry King, et all, inviting President Bush on for a special on how much he accomplished on this issue?
Yes, as I noted, a few here and there have sort of set some of the record straight, but usually even there they continued to misrepresent much of the effort. There just is not any love for anything that Bush, or any R does in the world, by the left.
If one was to survey the public.. well hey, Newsweek did it for us:
In Newsweek's May 15, 2006, special feature cover issue, "AIDS at 25," which received a National Magazine Award for best single-topic issue, they somehow managed to throw in the standard "attack President Ronald Reagan" in the opening paragraphs (few ever miss that one, do they?) and managed to award a special section, written by the man himself, Bill Clinton (who used the "I" word 26 times in one piece). Clinton even got the full page 8 X 10 black and white glossy portrait of himself thrown in.
However, in this entire special issue dedicated to the topic, Newsweek managed to leave out a single section (should have been on the cover) - no, they left out even a single paragraph about the largest and most successful international HIV/Aids effort ever conducted - President Bush's massive PEPFAR program.
Actually, in all fairness, in this entire issue dedicated to the history of and treatment of HIV/Aids, in the very back pages, page 86 if I remember correctly, there was a foot note about the President's [Bush] historic plan. It noted, "Only 3% of Americans know that the Bush administration has more than doubled** U.S. Spending to combat HIV/Aids in Developing countries.”
Really? Only 3% know of it - by golly, I wonder why? Guess they did not do a very good job of sharing the news. Perhaps MSNBC and CNN and the networks should have treated Bush - on the issue - like they did Clinton for his efforts (after he left the WH?)
**(For the record, Bush far more than doubled aid (you got that wrong as well) to Africa to combat Aids - and, he significantly helped turn the corner in the battle, with many saying he saved over a million lives so far) In 2006, even the Bush hating LA Times wrote in an editorial, "U.S. spending on the disease overseas has risen more than tenfold under Bush." Shh - remember, you're non-partisan (You simply hide and or lie about the truth). But I note, even in that piece, they did the usual attack on how to much was on abstinence - gee a whopping 6.7% was directed there. I'd bet that part alone was more than Clinton directed in total towards the pandemic in Africa while he was president. On the other hand, Clinton was great for the diamond mining business in Africa - Blood Diamond business, that is.
Gary... I'll try to find
May 1, 2009 - 19:04 ET by JerGary...
I'll try to find the article. Not to toot my own horn, but I made mention of Bush's praiseworthy efforts in Africa months ago. If Newsweek failed to recognize them, that is indeed a shame.
Bush far more than doubled aid (you got that wrong as well) to Africa to combat Aids...
Huh? I got what wrong?
Jer
Two words come to mind,
April 30, 2009 - 16:43 ET by winston smithTwo words come to mind, blithering and fool. I think he's trying to out self-embarrass Odormann. Some people should not be allowed in front of a camera
StogieGuy has a point. A
April 30, 2009 - 16:44 ET by ConservativeRexStogieGuy has a point.
A conservative casualty estimate for American troops ranges from one million to one and a half million, if we had not dropped those bombs. Plus, an addtional three to three and a half years more of fighting.
This has taken the fight out of the Japanese for sixty plus years as well. And this from a culture that lived for battle for a millenia.
It is obvious what they have turned into. Where people like Stewart would have sat back and cried 'ain't it awful' for the last sixty years, the Japanese made a model for the rest of the world .
Why stop at Truman, let’s
April 30, 2009 - 17:20 ET by ForeverOnTheRightWhy stop at Truman, (should be FDR), their are many more real and alledged war crimes commited throughout American history, heck the world for that matter. Besides as others here have pointed out if the bomb had not been droped how many people would have died. Stewart is and idiot!
Lincoln and Slave Buyout vs Civil War
April 30, 2009 - 17:23 ET by Kingfish17I've heard some theories being tossed around that it would have been "cheaper" for the U.S Governement to buyout all the existing slaves and set them free, then to have launched the "War of Northern Agression".
For a nice little anger
April 30, 2009 - 16:55 ET by G. MayFor a nice little anger inducing experience, visit the peace park museum in Hiroshima sometime. You'll have a difficult time finding the cause for the events leading up to the bombing and when you do, it's a simple paragraph in a very inconspicuous place among the rest of the not-so-thinly veiled implied criticism of the U.S. decision to use the weapons. You'd think the decision was made in a vacuum.
It's highlighted by the ironic fact that Hiroshima is a very large and prosperous modern Japanese city that has directly benefitted from American aid since the end of WWII and a strong American presence in the region ever since.
I was livid when I walked out.
tired of liberal lies The
May 1, 2009 - 09:12 ET by stunnedtired of liberal lies
The Peace Park in Hiroshima is a JOKE, it exists to allow the Japanese to feel sorry for themselves for surrendering and to make Americans feel guilty for winning. The REAL war memorials in Tokyo include the names of officers in charge of the Batan Death March, the rape of Nanking and Manila and human experimentation on POWs. The museum was often used by peace-niks as a symbol to attack the US and to demand unilateral disarmenment and surrender during the cold war (no such demands ever made of the Soviet Union by the way). Today textbooks in Japan continue to censure the attrocities committed by the Japanese Army during the war. No memorials exist in Japan for the millions who were tortured and died in the war at the hands of the Imperial Japanese Army in its war of expansion (1 million at least in China alone). Mourning the passing of one of the bloodiest of governments of the twentieth century is obscene.
Truth about peace park
May 1, 2009 - 10:52 ET by SouthwestJStunned, I would bet money you've never been to the Peace park based on your comments. I know a lot about Nukes and WWII, I'm in the military, and I was there in Feb. I was curious if it would be whitewashed like other Japanese war memorials that never mention Japan's culpability in any wars. Here's what I found.
There is a part that mentions Japanese aggression and how it led to a lot of WWII. It's on the 2nd floor near the globe with nuke numbers. I was very surprised to see anything about Japan's responsibility in WWII.
What was whitewashed was why we used the bomb. The brochure and the plaque on the wall mentioned justifying the cost of the manhattan project and lessening Soviet influence in Asia. It also mentioned that Japan was weak by this time. It *did not* mention at all the cost of invading the Japanese main islands.
The museum is for the abolishment of nuclear weapons and war in general. I thought it might be a hippie love fest tugging at the heartstrings to get everyone to hate war (or the US), but I think it was pretty well done without being over the top. There were a few factual errors, but they got most things scientifically correct.
I'm sure they've had anti-US or anti-war protests there that were hippie love fests, but the museum itself overall gives a pretty fair treatment of the US, Japan and WWII.
SouthwestJ
Well then you would lose
May 1, 2009 - 12:57 ET by G. MayWell then you would lose your bet. I'm glad you know alot about nukes and WWII. Good for you. I'm thankful for your military service. However, your military service is irrelevant to the discussion, as is your knowledge of WWII and nukes. I felt no need to mention my own 20 years of Marine Corps experience or my own knowledge of nukes and WWII as that also happens to be irrelevant to the discussion.
Perhaps they have made some welcome adjustments to the museum since my visit in 1996 as a young Sergeant of Marines. As of the time of my visit, the overall theme was very apologetic toward Japan and failed to highlight Japanese aggression. I didn't say the information wasn't there, but what I did say was that compared to the rest of the critical nature of the "conclusions" drawn all over the rest of the museum, the Japanese culpability is muted and inconspicuous. The dropping of the bombs didn't happen in a vacuum which is the distinct overall impression the museum gave in 1996.
Relatively speaking, it's almost criminal in its intellectual dishonesty in how critical it is toward the U.S. and how much it fails to highlight about Japan's criminal actions.
It's the same in Germany
May 1, 2009 - 13:05 ET by BlondeOr was, when I was there (an interesting week, as the Wall was coming down).
I remember standing in a refurbished Church, that had photos of the bombed out version of the city, and not one word about the why of WWII. It was very bizarre.
I was never happier than when the jet left the ground and I was on my way home.
I hope he fails, too.
I watched the clip up to the Truman comment
April 30, 2009 - 17:18 ET by Kingfish17I had to stop watching after that. I couldn't subject myself to any more of Stewart.
How can anybody sit in Stewart's studio audience and not feel ripped off. This is not a comedy show, it's a bad rip off of the old Crossfire show, minus the intellegence.
Stewart gave himself an out though when discussing Truman as a war criminal. He said that Truman had to be temporarily insane, because it was a war, and in war, everyone is temporarily insane.
Where, my man Bal to defend
April 30, 2009 - 17:15 ET by Roger the ShrubberWhere, my man Bal to defend cable television's brightest mind?
Hi, Rog! I actually don't
April 30, 2009 - 19:08 ET by balboaHi, Rog! I actually don't agree with Stewart. So nyaah. :-)
Well, I am glad Stewart
May 1, 2009 - 08:01 ET by Roger the ShrubberWell, I am glad Stewart apologized, because he made himself sound rather stupid and uninformed and not a student of history with that comment.
You, on the other hand, can not be accused of being those :)
BTW, I tried to watch our favorite actress last night in "The Other Boleyn Girl". Wow. Train wreck city! She did out-act the crap out of Drew Barrymore, Jr, though.
Which
May 1, 2009 - 19:22 ET by TailgunnerWhich time?
NOLO PUGNARE ME OCCIDERE
Rog, Stewart is cable TV's brightest mind?
April 30, 2009 - 22:23 ET by R D HelmLOL-Damn, no wonder I avoid it like the plague.
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
I'm seething with anger over this...................
April 30, 2009 - 17:31 ET by BEGRUNTDumba$$ Stewart....my father would have been one of those killed if the bomb hadn't been dropped.....friggin idiot. Stewart...Historical MORON!!!
"And let's have no displays of indignation......if we've told lies, you've told half lies, and a man, who lies like me, merely hides the truth, but a man who tells half lies, has forgotten where he put it"
Dryden.........Lawrence of Arabia
Beg... What's sickening is
April 30, 2009 - 17:38 ET by bigtimerBeg...
What's sickening is he will be a special guest on Larry King Amost Alive with this kind of rhetoric....again.
...or do I have him mixed up with Maher...either way, both the same.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Once again proving that liberals are not capable of defending us
April 30, 2009 - 17:32 ET by ArchConservativeI want this coward, Jon Stewart, to talk to any surviving WWII veterans or their families. I want him to tell them that Truman is a war criminal. These heroes and their children will tell this idiot that Truman's actions saved millions of American lives (and in reality, hundreds of thousands of Japanese). All members of the armed forces in August 1945 were saying their prayers that they would not have to attack the mainland. The island-to-island fighting in the Pacific was some of the most brutal combat seen during the war and by all accounts, it would have much worse if there was fighting on mainland Japan.
Jon Stewart is a person who is lucky enough that he has never had to sacrafice a damned thing in his privledged little life. If he was in a boat in the Pacific fall of '45, he would have kissed Harry Truman on the mouth for saving his ass.
You support the troops by supporting the mission! If you don't support the mission, have the guts to say you don't support the troops.
Obama: Not my President. Ever.
Well said. Stewart has no
April 30, 2009 - 17:36 ET by Radical1979Well said. Stewart has no idea of the situation in WWII. The reason the second atomic bomb was dropped was because the military controlling Japan wouldn't surrender after Hiroshima.
I think Stewart should do some research before he opens his mouth. Better yet, keep that mouth shut.
What is telling is
April 30, 2009 - 17:41 ET by eaglewingz08What is telling is Stewart's (Liebowitz') slur against war and by extension warriors, that it's temporary insanity. Tell that to the hundreds of millions of peoples the USA liberated in WWI and WWII. If Truman had the bomb and didn't use it and the public found out he had a weapon that could have ended the war in three days but chose instead an invasion costing a million US lives and a million or more Japanese lives, plus the invasion would have allowed more Soviet influence in East Asia, Japan and Korea, due to the expanded time frame for victory, Truman would have been justifiably impeached. Was the firebombing of Dresden and other Nazi cities a more preferable outcome. Should we not have taken steps to break the enemy's spirit and willingness to fight. Stewart's morals are the self righteous morals of the backbencher without power. He doesn't have to be accountable for his pronouncements but LA would have had a Ground Zero as well had Stewart's morality been in place during the years 2001-2004.
Cliff May let Stewart off way too easy. Stewart's contention that the US is bound to treaties against parties who haven't signed them is non sensical. We have a NAFTA treaty with Canada and Mexico, which is hated by liberals like Stewart. Perhaps May should have stated, if Jon believes that treaties are enforceable by non parties against the US, doesn't that mean that the US has to offer the same treatment to all 190 countries in the world that are provided for in NAFTA?
Just watching Stewart spin in his chair about that would have been worth it.
Thnaks President Truman
April 30, 2009 - 17:42 ET by vanbill64 years ago I was a young man--a Marine--who was fighting on Okinawa. My squad was kia/mia in just a few days of fighting--fighting that still torments my dreams all these years latter. At the end of the battle--I saw Japanese civilians jump to their deaths rather then risk surrender to us. All of us who survived Iwo and Okinawa knew we were living on borrowed time if we had to invade the home Islands of Japan. President Truman saved our lives by dropping the bomb. All of us who would have been in the assault boats in the fall of 1945 were spared an early death by the wisdom of Harry S.Truman .I was able to come home-go to school--make something of myself--marry a woman I loved from the second we met,till the day she left this life--have a family that I could not love more or be prouder of.I've lived long enough to comb grey hair--and all thanks to President Truman--God rest his soul.
Jon Stewart never spent a second in an assault boat, never saw what a well placed Jap 60 mm could do to a pal, never crossed open ground under fire to save a pal--in short he never put his life on the line--President Truman did--and by doing so he saved my life and untold millions of other lives. War criminal--how the hell would a self absorbed little schmuck like Stewart know the first thing about war.
van
April 30, 2009 - 18:05 ET by Noel Sheppardvan,
Hear, hear!
Thank you for your service to our country as well as for coming home safely and raising what I must imagine are wonderful kids and grandkids. ns
Thank you for your
April 30, 2009 - 18:13 ET by Radical1979Thank you for your service. I'm grateful to you and all our military, but I know the soldiers in the Pacific sacrficied and suffered greatly for us.
**vanbill
April 30, 2009 - 18:21 ET by pelicanmarshYou truly were the Greatest Generation.
I know the number of WWII Vets is dwindling, and to see you here on NB is a privilege and an honor. You are esteemed in my House.
Thank you, vanbill, for your selfless service at a time in history when our nation needed you most. Many, many thanks.
vanbill I ditto all posts
April 30, 2009 - 18:27 ET by bigtimervanbill I ditto all posts above.
Our gratitude is sent...
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Semper Fi vanbill- thank God
April 30, 2009 - 18:59 ET by BKeyserSemper Fi vanbill- thank God for you and our beloved Corps.
Thank you!
April 30, 2009 - 19:17 ET by StogieGuyVanbill, your words about this mean so much because you were there and you lived through the war. And, my words cannot express enough in the way of gratitude to you and to your fellow troops! I had a uncle who was captured on Guam and he was around long enough that I could learn a little about his experience there. It was a lot rougher than having a little water splashed in his face, that's for sure! You guys are the real thing and we owe all that we have to your generation and your hard work and sacrifices.
Ironically, dropping those bombs and causing the surrender is the best thing that could have happened to Japan too. Having had the opportunity to visit there (55 years after the war ended), I saw a hard-working, well grounded nation filled with people who were thankful for our help and guidance in getting them back on their feet. Now, they are one of our most loyal friends. If that doesn't demonstrate how well we executed the war and subsequent recovery, nothing can.
It's so easy for a spoiled little dirtbag like Jon Stewart to whine about how "bad" it was to drop the bombs, but he is a know-nothing idiot. So easy to talk about how we should have done this and that from an easy chair in his well-guarded and luxourious studios. Had he been there for 30 seconds, I have no doubt he would have soiled himself and cried like a little French girl before BEGGING Truman to do something to stop the way. That is the way that Steward (Liebowitz) and those of his ilk behave. They have no honor, but lots to say about everything. I only wish that we could have the opportunity to see you set him straight!
Thanks again to you sir!
SG
Thank YOU, vanbill...
April 30, 2009 - 19:30 ET by JerWell said! Truman's decision very likely saved my dad's life, too. [Of course I wouldn't be around to torment NB, but I think the trade-off was probably worth it.] :-)
Jer
Jer,
April 30, 2009 - 21:50 ET by R D HelmActually, if Truman (and God bless the man) hadn't made the decision he did, I imagine a whole bunch of us wouldn't be around now.
I'm glad your dad didn't have to participate in what would have been the worst wholesale slaughter in recorded history.
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
Truman vs Stewart
April 30, 2009 - 19:50 ET by misterbillVan, first and foremost, thank you. Thank you for risking your life so I could grow up free and happy in our great country. The men and women of your time are my everlasting heroes.
My dad was at DDay then sent to the Pacific. (Navy). My brother was a Marine in the Pacific. Thanks to Harry Truman's decision, they both came home and lived productive lives, loved and loving. I am a Korean vet. Iwas pissed when Truman stopped MacArthur form going into Manchuria. I was young, scared witless, but I thought it would provide an end to saber rattling and the fact that--probably-- more Americans were killed by the Chinese than by the North Koreans. I was surpriesed because as young as I was, I thought Harry had the biggest pair of just about any president except maybe Lincoln.
I was and will remain to my death, grateful to the little guy from Lamar, Mo. who saved my family with his difficult decision.
Stewart may want to research and find that not only were the lives of the military that would be sent to Japan saved, but his timely behavior put an end to the daily beheading of American and Allied prisoners working in the mines in Japan. As they saw the end approaching, fanatical diehard Japanese military were killing hundreds each day.
Screw John Stewart. I accuse, try and find him guilty of treason to America and all the a**h***s who watch him too.
Semper Fi marine. We owe you!!!!
Well said, misterbill.
April 30, 2009 - 22:01 ET by R D HelmAs always. :-)
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
Ditto misterb....and
April 30, 2009 - 22:05 ET by bigtimerDitto misterb....and Amen.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
I cannot...
April 30, 2009 - 20:53 ET by Iowa Boy...add any more than you have VB. All I can say is, thank you, from the bottom of my heart for my freedom.
"Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain." Official Motto of the State of Iowa
Semper Fi Marine
April 30, 2009 - 21:28 ET by R D HelmAs the son of a Marine who fought in Korea, God bless you, sir, and thank you for your service to all of us.
We are deeply honored that you decided to join our little group, and we hope to hear more from you in the days ahead.
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
my goodness.
April 30, 2009 - 22:12 ET by puredmashieyour comments certainly put things in perspective.
there was a day when calculations were done with slide rules, and laser-guided smart bombs didn't exist. in fact, the acronym laser didn't exist back then: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser
war was horrible, as it is today, but on a scale almost unimaginable today to twits like jon stewart. and it's patriots like you who fought to protect his right to make a complete a$$ of himself.
swing hard in case you hit it.
Hat tip to vanbill
April 30, 2009 - 22:23 ET by UnsaneI may be a veteran myself...but as far as I am concerned, it is YOU guys who did the heavy lifting and allowed me the opportunity to live in, and defend, this great nation when the time came.
Please accept a hat tip from me for your service to the United States of America! I will forever be in awe of your achievements and sacrifices in our country's darkest hours.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
tired of liberal
May 1, 2009 - 09:35 ET by stunnedtired of liberal lies
Thank you for your service!!! Lefty idiots like Stewart are always willing to let others, especially soldiers, to Serve and Die for their precious ideals as long as they are not called upon to risk their own superior butts. Life is cheap to these schmucks. God bless you and yours friends who served and especially those who laid down their lives so that all of us could live free.
First, a smart salute to
May 1, 2009 - 15:30 ET by NL207First, a smart salute to you, Marine.
I must conclude you were in 4th or 5th, since you went on to Okinawa. My late father was in 3MARDIV on Iwo Jima. He never once mentioned the name, Iwo Jima, during his life. I only learned of it when I executed his will. It was on his discharge and he had requested and received a Corps burial. For my father to have done this, it cannot have been anything other than hell on earth.
One thing I am certain of, he believed 100% that the only reason he survived the war was the atomic bombing of Japan. he shared your opinion on this point.
I share your opinion about this miserable little twerp, Stewart. He has no clue what it is like to have his life on the line in the line of duty. I'd like to see the little bast*** take a trap sometime. I wouldn't want to do his laundry afterwards.
You're a better man than I, Marine. God bless.
May 1, 2009 - 19:16 ET by TailgunnerStewart would never put his life on the line for anything.
Like a typical liberal, he'd put YOURS on the line.
Stewart's still dealing with PTSD from that terrible day when he broke a fingernail AND got a paper cut in the SAME DAY.
Hasn't been the same since.
NOLO PUGNARE ME OCCIDERE
Three points
April 30, 2009 - 17:43 ET by KC MulvilleFirst Point
All moral dilemmas involve a conflict of values. The trick is not to choose one and destroy the others, but to maximize both. If one value can't exist in the presence of another, then we choose between them. But that only works if you can't have one with the other. That's not the case with harsh interrogation. We can have both, and so we should.
To claim that we shouldn't employ harsh interrogation techniques, harsh to any degree in any circumstance, is simply to deny the value of self-preservation. It's moral grandstanding. It absolutizes a value, pretending to treasure a noble virtue, but in the process it destroys a different noble value.
Second Point
Stewart needs to be clear on the treaties. The Geneva Convention does not apply at all, because the prisoners in questions were not soldiers and were not defined under any other convention. The Geneva Conventions recognize that you can treat different classes of prisoner differently; they just didn't specify what class a terrorist falls under.
The UN treaty on torture, however, would apply, regardless of who was being interrogated. However, there is a question whether any practices at Guantanamo crossed that line. The problem with the UN treaty is that torture isn't a specific practice; instead, the word "torture" refers to a range of possible practices, and the range has no precise definition. The language claims that toture is defined as "severe" pain; but the word "severe" is relative. There is no absolute definition.
Third Point
You can't criminalize the actions of others simply because you wouldn't have done them. If a government follows an established procedure, the law gives them the benefit of a doubt. The government officers can't be prosecuted just because others would have done things differently.
That has a glaring exception, though. A process won't protect you if the act you're contemplating is already illegal. It doesn't matter how many official memoes and signoffs there were, and whether they followed an official checklist ... if they used the procedure to commit an illegal act, the process doesn't cover them.
There's the basic problem in this situation. The US government followed an official procedure, and the act in question wasn't already illegal. The language may have suggested that the act might have been wrong, and opponents may be screaming that (of course!) the actions were wrong, but unless there's specific language to define where the act crossed the line, it isn't illegal.
That's why, like a Supreme Court case, the proper legal response is to more clearly define what makes the behavior improper; but as for the people who engaged in the act while no definition exists, you have to give them the benefit of the doubt. So, feel free to agree that waterboarding falls under the definition of torture, but you can't prosecute the people who did it before your definition was agreed to.
The problem Stewert and
April 30, 2009 - 17:46 ET by MidAmericaThe problem Stewert and other obamaphiles have is they have to redefine what a dominant male is so that obama doesn't look like the lightweight that he is. One way to do this is to 'criminalize' anything more aggressive than what little barry is able to do. Obama is the Pee Wee Herman of American Presidents.
perhaps
April 30, 2009 - 21:23 ET by RowanePerhaps you give him too much credit. More like the Beavis of American presidents, I think.
Obama the Pee Wee
May 1, 2009 - 00:35 ET by Fair Taxes for AllObama the Pee Wee
JOHN STEWART - HERO OF THE BETA MALES
April 30, 2009 - 18:06 ET by SgthulkaThis isn't an interview, it's a monologue with a guest seated in front of a studio audience.
Ever notice how they don't camera-pan the audience? That's because it would show that it's nothing but NYC area college kids and high schoolers. And that would deminish their clapping approval of every Stewart diatribe.
I cannot get over this
April 30, 2009 - 18:09 ET by Radical1979I cannot get over this story. When I think of all the atrocities committed by the Japanese during WWII, the atomic bombs were mild. The men, women, and children of China were brutally killed, women raped until they died, as well as little girls. Japanese soldiers fired directly upon medics to increase enemy losses and dedmoralize Americans. There was the Bataan Death March, the torture of prisoners, and the total disregard for human life. Other countries would have made Japan suffer a hell of a lot more than two atomic bombs.
Lastly, we were at war. War is breaking things and killing people. The good guys won so the stupid guys like Stewart could live well.
Atrocities
May 1, 2009 - 09:28 ET by EllisWyattI was going to say the same thing if nobody else did. The elites never talk about things like the Rape of Nanking or the Baatan Death March and so forth. No, only America draws their ire.
If you're not outraged at the media, you haven't been paying attention.
Jon Stewart, let's see the color of yer insides?
April 30, 2009 - 18:13 ET by Joe BlogsI wonder if snarky Jon Stewart knows anything about Unit 731, the Japanese army medical research unit that carried out germ warfare and surgery experiments on both civilian and military prisoners.
Here is some testimony from a Japanese farmer who got conscripted into this unit. Now, imagine if you will that the prisoner is Jon Stewart:
"I cut him open from the chest to the stomach and he screamed terribly
and his face was all twisted in agony. He made this unimaginable sound, he
was screaming so horribly. But then finally he stopped. This was all in a
day's work for the surgeons, but it really left an impression on me because
it was my first time."
Yeah. Uh, huh. I totally agree that Truman is a War Criminal.
More on Asia
April 30, 2009 - 23:25 ET by UnsaneI wonder if Jon Stewart knows about the "comfort women", why other Asian nations watch Japan very warily to this day, etc...
Just a hunch I have from living in Asia, but I don't think too many in Korea, and China, and points south have a whole hell a lot of sympathy for the Japanese...
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Unsane: You are correct,
May 1, 2009 - 07:40 ET by BDUnsane:
You are correct, the actions of Japan hisotriclaly have weighed much more heavily than the actions of any of the continental countries in the region.
South Korea is not currently in persuit of nuclear weapons even though North Korea has some and CHina has a large stockpile. Both have invaded the south and remain foes.
Yet the day Japan gets one, you will see EVERYONE in Seoul clamouring for their own nukes.
'comfort women' ... I
May 1, 2009 - 15:54 ET by NL207'comfort women' ... I believe the official designation for these cadres were 'Special Naval Consolation Units'. One thing the Japanese were and still are most excellent at: constructing euphemisims.
Another charming little euphemism...
May 1, 2009 - 19:07 ET by Tailgunner...'Joy Divisions'.
NOLO PUGNARE ME OCCIDERE
Stewart...
April 30, 2009 - 18:19 ET by AgentAmericanA loud STFU. Scoreboard USA in WW2.
2010: A GOP Hill
Sorry, but I have always
April 30, 2009 - 18:21 ET by mostlymoderateSorry, but I have always despised this piece of trash, Stewart, just as much as Bill Maher or Olbermann. The three of them should visit Somalia in a boat.
STEWART: Here's what I
April 30, 2009 - 18:26 ET by Jack BauerErr, pardon me for stating the bleedin' obvious historical fact: the Japanese DID NOT SURRENDER UNCONDITIONALLY after the first A-Bomb was dropped on a city killing thousands.
So how exactly would nuking THE OCEAN persuade the Japanese to capitulate unconditionally when nuking people didn't do it first time?
Jon Stewart -- as uninformed as he is unfunny.
Japan surrendered 6 days
April 30, 2009 - 18:34 ET by StewMcKinJapan surrendered 6 days after the bombing of Nagasaki, which was 3 days after the bombing of Hiroshima.
I know. “In a time of
April 30, 2009 - 18:40 ET by Jack BauerI know.
Jack, you are correct, as the Japs surrendered three days...
April 30, 2009 - 22:07 ET by R D Helmafter the second A-bomb was dropped, and then only VERY reluctantly.
Many in the Japanese High Command wished to fight to the last Japanese child, and came right close to convincing Hirohito to do just that.
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
Dave and Jack
April 30, 2009 - 22:17 ET by botgnot to mention they DIDN'T HAVE A THIRD BOMB READY it would have taken many months to complete.
btw my dad was in a sub off the coast of Japan, there would have been many more casualties in an invasion of Japan than caused by the two bombs
"Outside of a dog a book is man's best friend,------------inside a dog it's too dark to read" ---Groucho
botg -- kudos to your Dad!
May 1, 2009 - 06:45 ET by Jack Bauerbotg -- kudos to your Dad! I salute his service.
The thing to remmeber about champagne socialists like Stewart is this:
He couldn't care less about American military deaths at the hands of the most despicable, cruel, inhuman enemy the US has ever defeated. The whole Japanese military was a war crime. Period.
Thousands more young Americans could have died. Stewart only cares about the enemy.
RD, good thing too, we were out of A-bombs.
April 30, 2009 - 22:19 ET by upcountrywaterWe only made 3 of them, 100% success rate.
Thanks to the bowing OAF, that 65 year old technology, will come back and bite us in the ass.
Reagan VS 0bama
um....
April 30, 2009 - 18:27 ET by candanceSomeone needs to remind Steward that Truman was a Democrat.
candance--
April 30, 2009 - 19:54 ET by misterbill"Someone needs to remind Steward that Truman was a Democrat."
Candance, so were my father and brother,l but I loved them so much, I forgave them.
PS So was I--then I learned to read and find the truth......
misterbill, so does this man.
April 30, 2009 - 22:08 ET by upcountrywaterZell Miller
Reagan VS 0bama
ucw,
April 30, 2009 - 22:29 ET by R D HelmBoth Truman and Zell were dems long before that once great party was taken over by the wussified, candy-ass surrender monkeys in 1968.
Sad, that was.
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
STEWART: "I think if you
April 30, 2009 - 18:31 ET by MudhenSTEWART: "I think if you dropped
an atom bomb fifteen miles offshore..."
We did something like that you maroon, It was called Hiroshima and they still didn't surrender. After Nagasaki they realized it was only a matter of time before Toyko and their emperor would have ended up as fused glass. I guess he's never read anything about Olympic or Coronet or read anything about the battle of Okinawa. Just how many Japanese citizens would have died if we had invaded instead?
Did anyone on the left ever take Science, Math, History or Economics in school? They leave me doubting every day.
Don't you know that liberals
April 30, 2009 - 18:42 ET by StewMcKinDon't you know that liberals are excused from those classes? Liberal schools teach environmentalism, how-to-be-a-hollywood-elite, and 101 ways to piss off conservatives.
Jon
April 30, 2009 - 18:31 ET by NorthCoasterYou need to study your history before you talk.
This is the consequence of
April 30, 2009 - 18:39 ET by gueinThis is the consequence of backing yourself into an ideological corner during the Bush administration. You begin to think illogically in many other areas as well. Stewart's reasoning exists in the land of theory, having never been put in the difficult position of responsibility.
For BO and his followers,
April 30, 2009 - 18:41 ET by d1carterFor BO and his followers, all history started with BO's election.
Ha ha!
April 30, 2009 - 18:49 ET by sloerideNothing can be funnier than Monday morning-quarterbacking one of the heaviest dilemmas of all time! I get giggly thinking about it! Truman was so the stupid. And bad! Didn't he know some self-loathing dofus would make fun of him and call him names?
heh
April 30, 2009 - 19:53 ET by katainkentMaybe MSNBC can hire this guy next.
I love to help the helpless but I'm not gonna help the clueless ~Dennis Miller
Moron
April 30, 2009 - 20:50 ET by JarheadSEMER-FI
Well John I hope to GOD none of your family is caught by those SOB's like Pearl was. If you don't know that name he was the guy whos head was taken off by those SOB'S. And you just want to give the more rights than our boys will get if they are caught by them then **** you and anyone who thinks like you. Lets see you idiots pick up a gun and go protect us cause more and more people like me won't allow anymore of our famlies to defend people like you in the future. Maybe when it hits home again as in 9/11 you may wake up they want us all dead and they don't give a shit how they do it.
Well we are talking about a
April 30, 2009 - 20:54 ET by maxvoltWell we are talking about a guy who lacks the personal charcter to use his REAL name, maybe because he is ashamed of who his parents were..in any case it shows a total lack of moral fiber and character that a person would sell out his own family, so he could become rich in...hollywood...pathetic John Lebowitz..aka "stewart". If he was my kid i would disown the materialistic creep. Come to think about it, maybe my view of abortion is wrong...in thgis case. PS my uncle was killed by the Japanese, so John can stick it up his phony arse!
Stewart is an idiot, and
April 30, 2009 - 21:07 ET by R D HelmStewart is an idiot, and hasn’t a clue as to what he is talking about.
Anyone who knows anything at all about the increased fighting intensity of the Japanese as our forces got nearer and nearer to Japan knows what our soldiers would have been facing had an invasion of the Japanese home islands been undertaken.
Iwo Jima was considered a part of Japan, and look at how long it took to subdue that island.
It was [initially] estimated that Operation Olympic (the original code name for allied invasion of the Japanese home islands) would have resulted in between 1.7 and 4 million U.S. casualties alone, and they expected 400,000 to 800,000 of those casualties to be actual deaths.
As more secret intercepts were gathered (and thank GOD they were), it was soon discovered that the planners had seriously underestimated the actual strength of Japanese defenses, and the casualties would have been much, much higher, and the war could have gone on for another two to three years.
It would have been the largest blood bath in history, one I doubt the American people, already weary after four long years of war, would have tolerated.
As for the Japanese, they were far from pure as the wind-driven snow:
http://www.hawaii.ed...
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
Hey thanks Dave... I just
April 30, 2009 - 21:08 ET by bigtimerHey thanks Dave...
I just knew you would come along with a great post with links regarding this jack-ass Stewert...I saw where BOR already made a fool of him earlier on his show.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
bt,
April 30, 2009 - 21:18 ET by R D HelmActually, I boogered up the link, and am trying to fix it.
Damn, how embarrassing.
Yeah, fixed it:
http://www.hawaii.ed...
LOL-Dayem I'm good. :-^)
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
Dave... LOL...you'll get
April 30, 2009 - 21:19 ET by bigtimerDave...
LOL...you'll get 'er fixed.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
I'll tell you what a REAL
April 30, 2009 - 21:06 ET by nadadhimmiI'll tell you what a REAL racist, murdering war criminal President would have done in 1945. Not dropped the bomb and not killed 150,000 peole in two cities. He would have proceeded with Operation Olympic-Coronet, and used superior American firepower to kill in battle at least 2 million Imperial soldiers and probably 5-10 million civilians as they moved up to defend the homeland against the invaders. At least 250,000 Americans would have died in the victory too. John Stewart is an, uneducated, biased, America hating Goddamn fucking idiot that doesn't know his brown nose from Obama's ass.
Jon-boy advises Pres. Truman
April 30, 2009 - 21:30 ET by lotrJON-BOY: Here's what I think of the atom bombs. I think if you dropped an atom bomb fifteen miles offshore and you said, 'The next one's coming and hitting you', then I would think it's okay.
PRES. TRUMAN: Well, gosh, why didn't I or any of my military advisors think of that?!! Your an F-ing genius, Jon. But don't you think that PETA might then come with a law suit -- just think of all that beautiful aquatic life, the sea horses, the dolphins, the humpback whales, the plankton....
JON-BOY: Pysch! I'm just a comedian! I really think we should just end this charade, surrender and, like, just get stoned. Peace out dude. <audience laugh track>
Give Jon-boy credit, though -- Truman was Democrat.
"Let's wrap him up, alright?" -- Keith Olbermann
Time to spoof Stewart and
April 30, 2009 - 21:29 ET by RogerCfromSDTime to spoof Stewart and Colburn.We need a show with someone who parodies their views, and reflects how asinine it is to get your info and opinions from political hacks.
A nation cannot be free without a free, unbiased media. We are not free.
Spoof
May 1, 2009 - 08:42 ET by NorthCoasterI can see it now............ The faux Stewart and Coburn sitting facing each other, a la Hannity and Colmes, with this difference, they pump each other up to greater and greater farcical comments about the subject at hand.........Kind of a "Mad TV" approach. They can have a contest with faux political figues representing Obama, Biden and Dennis Kucinich for the character who best symbolizes the show. Alfred E. Neuman was the mascot for Mad Magazine and years ago and in Cleveland, posters of Dennis as Mayor, appeared looking like Alfred with the caption "What Me Worry?" under his characature..............Faux Dennis, would be a regular panelist who would treat us to the latest soporific about how great things will be once Obama has "remade" America. his sign off would be something along the lines of "This is Dennis signing off from Washington. What me worry?"
stewart assumes truman knew what that bomb would do.
April 30, 2009 - 21:42 ET by puredmashiewe didn't have satellite tv, or 24/7 network news. we had people who had to take still photographs and assess damage. and we also had a president who knew that if we didn't use that bomb we would have had to have done to all of japan what we had done to dresden, reduce it to rubble. instead of killing those civilians all at once they would have been killed one at a time, some by conventional bombing, others by soldiers on the ground - many of whom would have died themselves. so it would have the exact same outcome, but with many thousands of dead american soldiers.
that was the choice truman had to make, and that's why he made the decision he made - twice.
swing hard in case you hit it.
Stewart retracts Truman comment
April 30, 2009 - 22:06 ET by balboaStewart just retracted saying Truman was a war criminal. He basically said that, in reflection, it was a stupid thing to say.I know no one here will care, but just thought I'd share that.
just saw this as well
April 30, 2009 - 22:15 ET by mom_rox(just took me longer to get to my computer ;)
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When he goes off script,
April 30, 2009 - 23:58 ET by fitzfongWhen he goes off script, you can tell what a lightweight he really is. I think May caught him flush mid-bluster and Stewart found himself cornered in front of a live audience. At that point, Stewart had to make a choice: back off and look weak, or let it ride hoping it would blow over. The belated apology suggests it didn't. I doubt he'll be dipping his toes in that lake for a while.
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill
Re off script
May 1, 2009 - 00:16 ET by slickwillie2001Stewart is a teleprompter-reader like our President. He uses the same hitech LCD kind that the Bamster does, and as a result we don't know if he has a clue. He certainly does have an excellent staff of researchers and comedy writers to back him up and write his lines. He has the home-court advantage, his large staff, a script, and a friendly liberal audience that worships him.
He gets to plan the questions, so he can set his ambushes and game the possible responses and counterattacks. If the situation were reversed, most of his guests would smack him around like a cat playing with a caught mouse.
I'd like to see him grovel...
May 1, 2009 - 12:05 ET by lotr...the way those on the right unfortunate enough to make dumb remarks are made to. But I won't hold my breath on that one.
So, Jon-boy actually "reflects"? Based upon his predisposition to run off at the mouth without forethought, I wouldn't have guessed it. Anybody notice how utterly self-righteous limousine-liberals are?
Of course it was a stupid thing to say. It was downright idiotic, in fact. The fact that he let it fly anyway reveals something about his inner character and taking false premises to utterly illogical conclusions.
Glad to hear he recanted, but sorry, the damage (the insult to American bravery in fighting a just war against tyrannical aggression overseas) has been done. While the pop-media may not take notice, mark our words, a large number of us out there do pay attention, without their leave.
"Let's wrap him up, alright?" -- Keith Olbermann
Send Mr. Stewart to Korea
April 30, 2009 - 22:18 ET by UnsaneMethinks Mr. Stewart needs to go to South Korea and carefully tour the Independence Hall. And he should do this on the day WE call V-J Day. The Koreans call this Liberation Day. There IS a reason for that he might be too history deficient to figure out.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Pearls before swine.
May 1, 2009 - 18:58 ET by TailgunnerPearls before swine.
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If moral smugness were money Stewart could pay off the national
May 1, 2009 - 00:25 ET by snaggletoothieStewart is very right that this is about who we are. I am an American who wants America protected. Stewart is a Manhattanite who still doesn't realize that the hell that engulfs Afghanistan and Pakistan can touch him and his family. His lack of perspective makes his opinion on this puerile and insignificant.
If moral smugness were money Stewart could pay off the national debt.
st... Pow...Right in the
May 1, 2009 - 00:30 ET by bigtimerst...
Pow...Right in the Kisser!
That was a great last line!!
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Not only did dropping the
May 1, 2009 - 01:52 ET by CooltomNot only did dropping the atomic bombs save a few million lives taht would have been lost in the invasion of Japan, it has saved untold millions since by making big war between superpowers impossible. For instance the Soviet Union would have committed nuclear sucide if it had invaded Western Europe in the 1950s.
BTW, we also dodged a bullet by FDR replacing Henry Wallace with Truman in 1944. Wallace wouldn't have dropped the bomb unless Stalin ordered him to. But then Uncle Joe would have loved to see the U.S. weakened and distracted by three more years of war.
Why Truman Dropped the Bomb
May 1, 2009 - 06:27 ET by GregAhttp://www.weeklysta...
Never like John Stewart,
May 1, 2009 - 10:02 ET by wiwfNever like John Stewart, and this just icing on the cake.
The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy
little johnny boy stewart
May 1, 2009 - 10:32 ET by east tennessee johnSo Stewart(his professional name)thinks liberal Truman was a criminal for dropping 2 atomic bombs on Japan, who attacked us, who we had been fighting since 12-07-41, who had vowed, because of their belief system to fight to the death to protect their homeland,evidence of which we experienced on Iwo Jima and Okinowa, where it was estimated we would iccur an additional 1,000,000 casualities for an already war weary nation, could have been his father or grandfather,says 64 years later in no context whatsoever other than being a parrot for the assholes who richly benefit from our freedoms and attack anyone who is willing to do the sometimes nasty shit to preserve it. Grow up little boy, grow up.
I forgot yesterday--
May 1, 2009 - 17:18 ET by misterbillGarofalo you, Lebowitz!!!!
Stewart's apology puts liberals in a dilemma...
May 1, 2009 - 18:48 ET by Tailgunner...if Truman's not a war criminal anymore for nuking hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians, even after losing FEWER US lives in the Pearl Harbor attacks than on 9/11, and even though, as they claim, the war was basically 'won'...
...then how come the Bush Administration ARE 'war criminals' for waterboarding THREE terrorists, thus gathering key intelligence that saved thousands of lives?
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I don't understand the moralizing over using nuclear bombs.
There sure as hell wasn't any moralizing over anything else in that theater...on either side.
NOLO PUGNARE ME OCCIDERE