It's been a question discussed by liberal bloggers for years, and the creator of "Star Wars" has finally settled it once and for all:
Former Vice President Dick Cheney is Emperor Palpatine, and former President George W. Bush is Darth Vader.
Phew...glad that's settled.
So reports New York Times columnist -- as well as Bush/Cheney hater extraordinaire -- Maureen Dowd (h/t Big Hollywood):
[George] Lucas, the creator of “Star Wars,” had told me that I had gotten Dick Cheney completely wrong, that Cheney was no Darth Vader. I felt awful. Had I been too hard on Vice?Lucas explained politely as I listened contritely. Anakin Skywalker is a promising young man who is turned to the dark side by an older politician and becomes Darth Vader. “George Bush is Darth Vader,” he said. “Cheney is the emperor.”
I was relieved. In “Star Wars” terms, Dick Cheney was more evil than Darth Vader. I hadn’t been hard enough on Vice!
Lucas was on his way to Europe and didn’t have time to elaborate in person. But he sent me this message confirming our conversation: “You know, Darth Vader is really a kid from the desert planet near Crawford, and the true evil of the universe is the emperor who pulls all the strings.”
That's some hard-hitting journalism, Mo! Thanks for sharing.
Have you considered the possibility that George Soros is the true evil of the universe pulling all the strings, and his apprentice is a kid from Kenya/Hawaii/Chicago?
I'm just asking.
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noel,
April 20, 2009 - 10:12 ET by larry on LIbullseye!
Talk about revisionist history!!
April 20, 2009 - 10:15 ET by BlondeGosh, the original Star Wars was written in what, 1979?
Besides, it's become a pop culture determined thing, Darth Cheney....the creater of Vader be damned.
I even named my laptop after Darth Cheney, so Lucas (and his BDS) is just plain wrong.
I hope he fails, too.
1977 -- and it's been downhill from there
April 20, 2009 - 14:26 ET by lotrBy his own reasoning, Lucas is Darth Vader -- the promising young filmmaker who put forth a creative, clever and exciting new film in 1977, but, because of its great boxoffice success, was shortly after seduced by the Dark $ide, which then began his slow descent into banal, preachy, corporate-product-line "$agas."
Hummmm
April 20, 2009 - 10:16 ET by AuH2oHummmm
I guess that would make O, Jar Jar Binks
That's what I thought
April 20, 2009 - 11:11 ET by MidAmericaThat's what I thought of also. One of the comments to Jar Jar by Obi Wan Kenobi was "the ability to speak does not make you intelligent".
Jar Jar Binks at least had a small brain.
April 20, 2009 - 12:29 ET by Delsahad feelings, and was NOT self Obsorbed!
SOBama is the Chancelor!
At least that is how I see it?
Jar Jar was lovable. But then I'lm a girl.
Jar Jar Binks at least had a small brain.
April 20, 2009 - 12:32 ET by Delsahad feelings, and was NOT self Obsorbed!
SOBama is the Chancelor!
At least that is how I see it?
Jar Jar was lovable. But then I'lm a girl.
Jar Jar Binks at least had a small brain.
April 20, 2009 - 12:36 ET by Delsahad feelings, and was NOT self Obsorbed! SOBama is the Chancelor! At least that is how I see it? Jar Jar was lovable.
But then I'lm just a girl.
Re Hummm
April 20, 2009 - 13:13 ET by slickwillie2001And that would make Michelle a shaved Wookie I guess.
Mo can't say anything bad
April 20, 2009 - 10:24 ET by SeashellMo can't say anything bad about the O so she relies on Bush-bashing. (It's getting old now Mo!) You need some new material.
you know,
April 20, 2009 - 10:27 ET by In ExcessI've never, ever heard that before! Never!!
yeah....Jar Jar......
April 20, 2009 - 21:34 ET by pantryman...with them great big old ears......
I still say the big O looks like a taxi with all four doors open.....
Noel, apparently you read
April 20, 2009 - 10:33 ET by mandrakeNoel, apparently you read the NYT on sunday and find lots of things in it that annoy you. Here's a thought..don't do it!
BTW, love the the photoshop work..too funny!
Couldn't be furthter from the truth
April 20, 2009 - 10:43 ET by QuinnrastaJayk Quinn
Funny it was the Emperor that exploited the misfortune of young Skywalker to create Darth Vader for his own gain...sounds more like democrats that exploits minorities and other groups to get what they want.
The Jedi's were a religious order that protected the Republic through force when necessary and democracy, not through one emperor.The one man rule is that of communists and socialists(Cuba, Venezuela,North korea, democrat) They might want re-evaluate their position!
The Force wasn't all it was cracked up to be
April 20, 2009 - 10:51 ET by KC MulvilleWhat good was The Force? I mean, after all, the Jedi Temple was a block away from Senator Palpatine for years, and the Jedi never suspected the guy. Wasn't it silly to imagine all these Jedi mystics straining hard to discover the threat, and it was down the street! And, as we found out at the end of the last movie, the soon-to-be emperor carried a lightsaber with him. He was packing heat, for crying out loud! They didn't need The Force to catch the emperor; they just needed a metal scanner. So really, can't we admit that The Force was pretty much useless?
Another thing about the Force: how could the mind-reading Jedi masters miss the fact that Padme was carrying twins? Again, they didn't need a mysterious and mystical voodoo - they just needed a sonogram.
So I can't get upset that anyone who "believes" in the Force would misunderstand Bush and Cheney, not to mention politics in general.
metal detectors and
April 20, 2009 - 11:05 ET by seaniepmetal detectors and sonograms weren't invented yet, it was a long time ago remember?
I hate the New York Times more than it hates the US Military
It's a shame...
April 20, 2009 - 11:08 ET by HeavyChevyI was not aware that Mr. Lucas drunk from the same Kool-Aid fountain like every other Hollywood weirdo. Sad.
Moving along I agree KC with that level of evil from the senator the Jedi should have been on him like a bloodhound chasing an escaped convict.
Jedi were not mystics nor
April 20, 2009 - 12:05 ET by ApacheJedi were not mystics nor did they cling to their "ancient religion" and light sabers. The "force" was a result of Midi-chlorians. Something that all the jedi knew in the prequel but seemed to have forgotten by the original three. It is odd that everyone spent all their time building a clone army and robots soldiers instead of trying to figure out how to shove more Midi-chlorians into people and make more Jedi or Siths. Maybe if Lucus spent less time trying to make the parable relate to some screwed up political ideology he could have directed more time at making the plots line up with the original and creating prequels that didn't suck.
The Jedi Strikes Out
April 20, 2009 - 10:56 ET by rammingspeedGeorge Lucas is a stupid limousine liberal who wouldn't recognize true evil even as it was sawing off his head with a dull knife. He ruins his works by ascribing these horrible attributes to George Bush and Dick Cheney. Hollywood's current spokespeople are not only burning themselves down with their insane political analyses, they are also discrediting themselves with the ridiculous, stupid movies they've been puking out of late.
And Maureen Dowd! Ol' MoDo can be counted on to scour for the scum and express it in her usual inane way.
You've caught us
April 20, 2009 - 11:00 ET by williams411Great job, newsbusters. Yep, you've caught us...george soros is running everything lol. In fact, I hear he's gonna be getting his hands on newsbusters pretty soon lol. Jeeze, can't you guys come up with any new smears? The whole ayers/wright/soros/muslim thing is getting old...and it didn't seem to work out so well for you guys in the last election.
Trix are for kids, fox is for fools
The whole
April 20, 2009 - 11:12 ET by SeashellThe whole ayers/wright/soros/muslim thing is getting old...and it
didn't seem to work out so well for you guys in the last election.
Only because the media didn't tell the truth about Obama's relatioinship with these guys. The whole "Apology Tour" is right out of the Rev. Wright" playbook.
Shameful.
LOL!!!
April 20, 2009 - 11:26 ET by williams411Yeah, the media totally didn't cover the william ayers/reverend wright thing lol.
Trix are for kids, fox is for fools
No, it was hardly
April 20, 2009 - 11:32 ET by SeashellNo, it was hardly covered. You know good and well if the situation had been reversed and McCain hung around with David Duke type characters the media coverage would have been non-stop to this day.
Sorry William, but this is a losing arguement for you if you are trying to make one.
Keep Telling Yourself That
April 21, 2009 - 08:50 ET by williams411Yeah, no news channel ever covered the william ayers/reverend wright thing LOL!!! Speaking of mcsame, it turns out that he was best friends with G. Gordon Liddy...that guy who was involved with the watergate scandal. It's funny though, I don't remember faux news mentioning anything about that...or any news channel for that matter...hmm, thats odd.
Trix are for kids, fox is for fools
Obama continues to
April 21, 2009 - 13:23 ET by general companyhang out with scumbags, he has appointed every nut job he can find. He is inventing this czar thing so they wont have to go through a confermation process. You must of stepped on that brain cell you dropped Williams.
How can you even pretend to know anything, when it is painfully obvious you dont. Not even the liberals here will back up jack you say.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Wiiliams411
April 20, 2009 - 11:22 ET by rexdraconimHow's that government education working out for you?
Enjoy your bowl of Trix. Nap time after.....
"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H
"I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...everytime!" -me<
Pretty Well
April 20, 2009 - 11:28 ET by williams411Considering I got my degree and have a well paying job, I'd say the government education went pretty well for me. I know the whole idea of education is scary for some conservatives, but you guys should try it sometime.
Trix are for kids, fox is for fools
Williams411
April 20, 2009 - 11:52 ET by rexdraconimGlad to here it. It is always nice to hear from someone who shows that getting through government education doesn't require that one either be able to think or read.
It is also good to know that there are companies out there who don't hold being stupid and/or ignorant against you. Everyone should have a job that is good for their self-esteem. It is good that you have found a place where no one holds your disability against you.
Did you pay for your college, on your own? Go to a government funded college? Do you work in a government subsidized field?
Are you a net-taxpayer or a net-tax receiver? Think about it...if you can. Apply that fine government education....
Too bad your government education (programming) was so thorough that you have no idea that conservatives can be very well educated, too. We just don't like the social engineering part.
Looking at your body of work here to date, I can see why you think your government education is working out....
That is what they told you to think.....right after you drank the magic kool-aid at snack time.
"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H
"I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...everytime!" -me<
rexdraconim...
April 20, 2009 - 11:58 ET by dborschjr68After reading your posts in which you bring to task anyone who comes here in the liberal posture, I am so glad I am an American Patriot and on your side.
You have such a fascinating and inspiring way of making your thoughts known. I am always impressed. And you do it without any sense of condescension or dismissal.
I'm a fan.
Long Live the Republic.
De Oppresso Liber.
"Some of My Best Friends are Liberals"
April 20, 2009 - 13:13 ET by rexdraconimOf course, only about three of them here would be. You have to have a bit of class and a modicum of self-respect to be my friend
I just can't abide the "talking point," "bumper sticker" liberal Leftist Trolls....
As the Lady says...
We need a better class of Troll around here. ( I would do the copyright thing but I don't know that trick. Sorry, B.)
The Study has produced a principle I would like to share...
CARL: Constant, Annoying, Ridiculing, Liberal
The CARL principle is named in honor of the finest example of the patronizing, drunken, immoral and unstable Leftist jack@ss I have ever had the misfortune of having at a dinner party.
Thanks for being a fan! I am here all week....
"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H
"I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...everytime!" -me<
personal attack
April 20, 2009 - 18:24 ET by m1xramDidn't you do the same thing with Ragamuffin? Questioning a person's education to start a fight is something I would expect to hear about from the Huffington or Daily Kos. Please stop.
Liberal messages are easy enough to repsond to. See Seashell's responses above or how candance responded to Rag.
m1xram
April 20, 2009 - 18:39 ET by rexdraconimYou make a good point. Today is my first day of pushing back on Trolls using their own techniques, something I have, myself questioned.
I could link you to my own typical post, but I don't know if you would even care. I could also link you to places when at least one of the others has turn troll tactics back on a Troll.,
Do you really care, or are you Trolling me with this response? It is an important question.
Taking to Trolls what Trolls do will not be an everyday occurence, for me. If your are honest enough, check it out. See the record and try to understand.
I am glad you are ready to defend the type of person who never fails to look down upon and treat poorly, people who disagree. Where have you been everytime a Troll dumps all over someone being open and polite, not to mention intellectually and directly honest in return?
It will be interesting additional data for the Study. When is it okay to useTroll tactics back? When is it not? Who is the arbiter of such? Why do people make assumptions when they could read and learn more?
Always plenty of data.
"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H
"I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...everytime!" -me<
not productive
April 21, 2009 - 05:02 ET by m1xramNo, I not trying to start anything, was only hoping to change gears. I'm not interested in using troll tactics on trolls.
I did look up your pervious posts and yes you have changed tactics recently. Liked the Study As to the Comparative Lack of Manners...
Good luck with the change.
UPDATE: You were right about the trolls. It was disappointing to see the one on other thread mentioned before.
M1xram
April 21, 2009 - 09:53 ET by rexdraconimI am definitely not changing tactics as a permanent thing. One day of using Troll on Troll is enough for me.
I am a lot more comfortable and feel a lot less icky to just do what I know is right, just like a conservative should. I cannot see why anyone would post that way day in and day out. I understand when a person has had enough and chooses the "Churchill" route or when they are hitting a retread troll because they are a retread. I just know that it is not for me.
You haven't "started" anything and I really do appreciate the honest response. And than you for the nice words, they are always welcome.
In addition to not liking the "Troll way," I also agree that it is not productive. I will not be able to get a single Troll to listen or look inward, but I can get message out more clearly to the audience in my normal way.
Have a good day m1xram and my luck follow where you may travel.
***Note*** This is to the Trolls: Yesterday, you were treated as you treat others. You did not like it very much. If there is an honest one among you, you might consider how it is to be treated like that everyday. I will not treat any of you like that again; that is not who I am or want to be. Can you say the same?
"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H
"I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...everytime!" -me<
Using troll on troll tactics is usually the right call.
April 21, 2009 - 13:11 ET by pahuberMaking them some kind of pet like some have on this site is self defeating.
Pahuber
April 21, 2009 - 13:28 ET by rexdraconimI get your point and I have seen some effectiveness in that approach, under the right conditions. I think it is particularly effective when done under the Churchill Principle.
It is not a tactic that I, myself, feel comfortable with. I tried it, it was easy enough and aggravated the Trolls. But it may have lessened my audience effectiveness, and that is what is important, here, the conservative message.
On the other hand, the audience may have loved it. I haven't seen the ratings yet. Still, the Troll bashing made me feel too much like Garofalo and who wants to be that! Ick!
I also agree that making pets of Trolls most likely ends with the Troll biting you, anyway. And think of all the Troll poo you have to cleanup; it doesn't even compost well. Trolls are basically useless, much like an Obama flavored lollipop.
Troll on Troll is not for everyone, but works for some. To each his own, so to speak.
There is more than one way to bash a Troll, after all.
"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H
"I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...everytime!" -me<
Still, the Troll bashing
April 21, 2009 - 13:48 ET by sherylsimsStill, the Troll bashing made me feel too much like Garofalo and who wants to be that! Ick!
Greasy?
sherylsims
April 21, 2009 - 14:04 ET by rexdraconimGreasy? Yes.
Ugly? That, too.
Petty? Just like Garofalo, yes.
Like you hear all the time, "Don't wrestle with pigs. You get dirty and the pig likes it."
For the sake of experiment, I wrestled with the pigs. It was dirty and they liked it. Just confirming data already gathered.
I don't know if the Leftists and Trolls actually feel any revulsion at their behavior, but walking in their dirty sandals for a day makes me want to take a shower.
Continuously.
For a week.
Maybe longer.
Trolls....ugh with a capital UGH and ick with a capital ICK!
"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H
"I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...everytime!" -me<
Rex
April 21, 2009 - 14:11 ET by sherylsimsI agree that those are some smelly shoes to try to fill. While it is entertaining to watch a troll get a smack-down, it isn't nearly as fulfilling as a well thought-out breakdown of their arguments and tactics. (Like you did further down this thread). That was brilliant and artistic and I may even bookmark it for future reference. It is like you are INSIDE their HEADS and understand them!!! :o)
I may start a fan club or something.
~Humorous mocking is fun
April 21, 2009 - 14:19 ET by choselife3xThat high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel.
It is indeed. And
April 21, 2009 - 14:34 ET by sherylsimsIt is indeed. And nobody is better at it than YOU!
I will need to get a bulk discount rate for the fan club materials!
~Pahuber
April 21, 2009 - 13:38 ET by choselife3xI'm going to say this once. Slowly.
Jer is not a troll. I do not agree with him politically, but that does not mean I will disrespect him. He treats other people with respect and he gets it in return from decent people. He is a long-time member in good standing and if you defame him again I (and many others) will go to the mat for him.
That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel.
Jer is a Gentleman
April 21, 2009 - 13:53 ET by rexdraconimI completely agree, CL3X. Jer is good people and definitely not a Troll.
He can come over to my house as an honored guest, anytime. He is a classy person.
Does anyone think Jer is a Troll?
"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H
"I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...everytime!" -me<
Jer
April 21, 2009 - 14:28 ET by KC MulvilleJer is a lawyer, and he can be zealous in defense. That's how he gets paid, and I'll bet he was trained that way. (Me, I like that kind of thing.) Don't take it personally if he "attacks" because in his world, it's attack or lose.
My experience of Jer is that if you treat him with respect, you will be treated with respect in return. But if you get personal on him ... run as fast as you can. I make very sure that I don't pop off at him; I like my eyebrows the way they are. Mind you, I usually disagree with him. He's a liberal and I'm a conservative. But just because he's utterly wrong on so many things ... :-) ... doesn't mean he's a troll.
Besides, without Jer and balboa (just to name two respectful critics among others), this site would just be an echo chamber. We need those guys. I'd ask to leave them alone. They're not hurting anyone, and in my opinion, they make this place more fun.
KC Mulville
April 21, 2009 - 14:59 ET by rexdraconimI think your assessment of Jer is spot-on.
Let me also say at this time, how much I have enjoyed and admired your scholarly take on things and your penchant for seeing the philosophy behind the issues.
I hope one of these days to have a chance to collaborate philosophically or at least just shoot the breeze about thinking matters with you.
You, KC Mulville, certainly have a fan in me.
"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H
"I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...everytime!" -me<
Thanks
April 21, 2009 - 15:20 ET by KC MulvilleLook forward to it.
Of course, I must remind everyone that I happily steal all of your thoughts and pretend they were mine all along. That way, everyone thinks I'm a bright guy, but you've done all the work. It's intellectual theft, but if you're going to keep letting me get away with it, I figure you deserve what you get!
Thanks again, rexdraconim.
Agree
April 21, 2009 - 15:33 ET by lotrJer is no troll. The only derogatory thing I can say about him is that he dares to give liberals a good name through rational, respectful discourse in "enemy territory."
"Let's wrap him up, alright?" -- Keith Olbermann
WRONG Jer choses whom to be trollish with, sort of a 1/2 troll
April 21, 2009 - 14:02 ET by upcountrywaterA 1/2 troll is like being 1/2 pregnant...ain't no such thing.
P.R.I.N.T. Money 30 sec YT
~Jer
April 21, 2009 - 14:46 ET by choselife3xLikes to drop a line in the water every now and then to see what rises. As do I. :-) The difference is that he argues his points respectfully and does not stoop to personal attacks. I'll argue with someone all day if s/he stays on point and doesn't get nasty while s/he bleeds out. *grin*
LOL!!!
April 21, 2009 - 08:45 ET by williams411LOL!!!, oh msn...sorry, this post just had me rolling on the floor. Typical GOP response "education is bad...college brainwashes you" lol. No wonder the GOP is in the woods. Yeah, you keep going with that "education is bad" idea, it'll work wonders for the GOP. Hell, it's already working out great for you guys.
Trix are for kids, fox is for fools
For the Benefit of the Audience
April 21, 2009 - 11:20 ET by rexdraconimSince the Troll bashing was a one day event, you won't see that today. Instead we are going to examine the words of a liberal, dare I say it, Troll.
Williams411 posted the following:
LOL!!!
April 21, 2009 - 09:45 ET by williams411
LOL!!!, oh msn...sorry, this post just had me rolling on the floor.
Typical GOP response "education is bad...college brainwashes you" lol.
No wonder the GOP is in the woods. Yeah, you keep going with that
"education is bad" idea, it'll work wonders for the GOP. Hell, it's
already working out great for you guys.
Trix are for kids, fox is for fools
Lets examine this post. He has written this in response to, admitted, Troll bashing. It is typical of not only his usual post, but also of CARL Principle Leftist posts in general.I encourage all who read this to check out the body of work of both this poster and williams411. It should make for interesting contrast.
For the purposes of brief disclosure: I have an extensive college education. Furthermore I am an avid reader. I also like the "backwoods." I sort of like the "front woods," too. Really, I like the "woods" in general. All Williams411 quotes will be italicized.
Onto the analysis.
LOL!!! Please Note the ever present Dismissive Liberal Laugh, or the DLL. Liberals and Leftist employ this patronizing tactic to show how they are just so superior and what an opponent has said is just so stupid that they just can't help themselves. In fact, though, it shows exactly the opposite. By employing this tactic they actually give you the hint that they will be saying something false, misleading and/or unsubstantiated. Remember not to take the DLL personal, as it is a standard weapon and tactic of the Left and can be easily dismissed and ignored.
oh msn[sic]...sorry, this post just had me rolling on the floor. Hear we see the extension of the DLL by means of the insincere use and miss use of the word "sorry." Expect that a lot when coping with Leftists; they say the word yet have no idea what it means. It is a tactic and may be dismissed immediately or considered simple rudeness. The rest of the statement, "this post just had me rolling on the floor" is simple Manic Leftist Derision and is typically disingenuous. We are to believe that the Leftist actually did this? I think not. MLD, like DLL is all about the Leftist trying to show their superiority to an opponent by appearing uncontrollably amused. It is not necessary to be offended by this crude display and the MLD can also be dismissed as lacking content.
Typical GOP response "education is bad...college brainwashes you" lol Here we see the Leftist attempt at their argument. Note the initial assertion, "typical GOP response," followed by the false quote "'education is bad...college brainwashes'". Please note the follow-up DLL of "lol." Let's deconstruct. There has been no position of the GOP or quote of the GOP to support the Leftist assertions noted. Specifically, the poster williams411 is referring to places a high value on education at every level. Furthermore, the same poster did not zero-in on "college" until williams411 responded. The objection to government education raised is one of questioning the use of education for social engineering and the ineffectiveness of government education to deliver as advertised. There are also objections to various funding issues at taxpayer expense. There is absolutely no objection to quality education on the part of the poster or the GOP. The Leftist has failed to make any honest or reasonable, legitimate point, and as such, this can be dismissed as null content, perhaps even an extension of MLD.
No wonder the GOP is in the woods Here we see an example of continued MLD and a mis-characterization of a false premise. we see an attempt of clever word connection and multiple word meanings with the use of "woods." The GOP losses can be linked to education, not in the direct but in the indirect. The government education establishment, the dumbing-down of the electorate and the poor cognitive tools provided by government education at all levels created an atmosphere conducive to the emotionalism and false logic of the Leftist. There are also other factors, but the false assertion, relative to topic and content, by williams411 can be relegated to the Used Talking Point Refuse Bin, or the UTPRB.
Yeah, you keep going with that "education is bad" idea, it'll work wonders for the GOP By now I think that the audience can recognize the Leftist use of MLD, false assertion, false quote and issue mis-characterization. To say that this portion of williams411's post is irrelevant would be obvious, at the very least.
Hell, it's already working out great for you guys. Once again, we see that the post cannot extend much beyond the realm of MLD. This would also seem to be an attempt at a personal jab, which williams411 does not make very effectively.
While this particular post of williams411 has at it roots, some origination with things others have posted, it is important to note that it amounted to almost nothing meaningful. The only substantial content of the examined post is a good lesson for the audience.
Remember to look for all those little things the Leftist try to use in place of substance, it will help you to quickly see through their tactics. Also, it is important not to take what a Leftist say too much to heart, as a lie is beneath notice and the truth cannot insult. Leftists rarely have the truth in them; they are more comfortable with lies.
For those interested in the use of Troll tactics on Trolls, I will offer this: I tried it for a day. To be as deliberately rude as Leftists is more trouble than it is worth. I highly recommend either ignoring the Trolls or using them as a "teachable moment." They will be nasty, they will be unpleasant, they will never honestly engage you.
You will never get respect from a Troll, you will never change their mind, you will never directly accomplish anything. You will, however, be able to show the contrast between Leftists and conservatives , for the benefit of others.
Don't expect too much from Trolls, certainly not what you would expect in quality from a fellow conservative or even the honest Liberals we have here.
A Troll is, after all, a Troll.
"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H
"I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...everytime!" -me<
Rex
April 21, 2009 - 13:31 ET by sherylsimsWow. That was amazing. Sad part is, I bet the government-schooled troll didn't even have the attention span to finish reading it. I did though. Because I was NOT schooled by government schools. My parents cared enough to pay lots of money to get me a REAL education. Sure doesn't make any sense though, since they were lifelong republicans I am just now finding out that they must not have thought education was very important. (Also, they didn't live in the backwoods either.) Hmm. I better try to figure this out.
Good For You
April 21, 2009 - 14:57 ET by williams411It's nice to know that mommy and daddy were able to send you to private school...however, most americans don't have a rich mommy and daddy to send them to a private school...away from those evil "government schools" lol.
Trix are for kids, fox is for fools.
Another "Teachable Moment"
April 21, 2009 - 15:43 ET by rexdraconimOnce again, we have the opportunity to take a look at a Leftist post, and once again it is from williams411. We see several of the Leftist tactics we discussed earlier and perhaps a few more. The post we are examining is this gem:
Good For You
April 21, 2009 - 15:57 ET by williams411
It's nice to know that mommy and daddy were able to send you to
private school...however, most americans don't have a rich mommy and
daddy to send them to a private school...away from those evil
"government schools" lol.
Trix are for kids, fox is for fools.
Once again, the williams411 quotes will be italicized. This Leftist post was in response to one by a poster named sherylsims, just above. These matters are acknowledged and observed as disclosure.
Good for you The title of the Leftist post. AS the body of content following the title is in tone, one of attack and MLD, we can clearly see, after scrutiny, that the Leftist means anything but, in fact, "good for you." Be careful never to allow the typical Leftist dis-ingenuousness to throw you off. They will often say something positive and then follow it up with an explanation to the opposite. This is a similar tactic to the Disingenuous Liberal Apology or DLA.
It's nice to know that mommy and daddy were able to send you to private school The opening of the Leftist post's body of content follows a common Leftist ploy. Williams411 starts off with the disingenuous "It's nice" and immediately proceeds into a false assertion, patronizing in tone and empty of content. We can see the marks of MLD at work here. Sherylsims never referred to her parents by the words "mommy and daddy." This is a false construction and a mis-characterization by the Leftist. Easily seen by the observer is the obvious lack of traction and content in this opening remark. A tip for those of you dealing with your typical CARL Principle type Leftist: look to the subject and opening remark for clues as to tone and content. By this opening remark we can be nearly certain that the Leftist response will be of minimal intellectual value.
however, most americans don't have a rich mommy and daddy to send them to a private school The next part of williams411 makes assertions and assumptions, not out of reason or data, but in the interest pf promoting a world view with a false premise. There is, once again, ample MLD. At no point did sherylsims say that her parents were rich, she simply stated that they had spent a lot of money on her education. As an education at a private school can be achieved with means other than money, the Leftist's assertion is no more than agenda driven and may be dismissed out of hand. Class Warfare is a typical tactic of the Leftist and is an invalid premise as it is perpetrated on their behalf, not that of their opponents. A person could attempt a debating point concerning school vouchers for education improvement, school accountability or merit based education compensation but these will nearly always fall on deaf ears when coping with a Leftist. If you choose to bring these up, please do so for the benefit of the audience, not because you think the Leftist is actually paying attention.
away from those evil "government schools" A clear case of MLD and the false assertion and false quoting tactic of the Leftist. This portion of williams411 post shows clearly the intellectual dishonesty of the CARL type Leftist. It has no factual standing, is irrelevant to what sherylsims posted and is nothing more than a thinly veiled vilification of others. It may be dismissed with little more than a glance. There is nothing new or intelligent to be found in the quote. The Leftist has repeated a previous false assertion and mis-characterization without substantiating either.
lol. At the end of the content, we see the trademark Leftist tactic, DLL. The use of the Dismissive Liberal Laugh again shows us that williams411has failed in an attempt to make substantial progress in the discussion and is trying, once again, to establish the typical Leftist air of patronizing superiority over those who disagree with them. When a Leftist uses the DLL, it is a sure sign that they have lost their position. It is important to remember not to take the DLL personally or seriously. It is no more than a tactic for those who are incapable of greater discussion.
Once again, we have had a "teachable moment" into the ways and words of the CARL Principle Leftist. we have also seen how weak, intellectually, some Leftists and many Trolls are.
"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H
"I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...everytime!" -me<
Wow!!!
April 21, 2009 - 16:22 ET by williams411I didn't know I had become so famous on this site. Man, I need to post comments on GOP sites more often. Well, this has definetly been a "teachable moment" for me into the ways and words of the GOP "government is bad, liberals are evil" crowd.
Trix are for kids, fox is for fools
Williams
April 21, 2009 - 16:33 ET by sherylsimsYou really seem to enjoy the attention for your outrageous remarks, thats for sure. Famous is a bit of a stretch. If fame is what you are after, try the double post 32 times method. That is what did it for me. (But since I already did that you will probably have to stick to your own trollish claim to fame. Sorry)
Another Quick Lesson
April 21, 2009 - 16:57 ET by rexdraconimWe have yet another in a long line of inane Leftist posts from which to learn from. The thing to do now is to take what we have learned and apply it to the best posts of williams411. Another poster took the time to compile some of this Leftist's key posts. I recommend viewing them, here. This collection of williams411 quotes give a tremendous insight into the Leftist mindset.
Another great option for further study is of course to check here for where williams411 has commented and what those comments were. It provides many more "teachable moments."
I will make an examination of this Leftist post by williams411:
Wow!!!
April 21, 2009 - 17:22 ET by williams411
I didn't know I had become so famous on this site. Man, I need to post
comments on GOP sites more often. Well, this has definetly been a
"teachable moment" for me into the ways and words of the GOP
"government is bad, liberals are evil" crowd.
Trix are for kids, fox is for fools
We will keep this one short and simply look at the entirety of the comment. As always, any williams411 quotes will be italicized.
The things that are most obvious about this post are the dis-ingenuousness, the mis-characterization of the GOP position and the attempt at patronizing condescension. There is also more than a little MLD. The subject "Wow" alone is enough to show us that the Leftist will fail to place honest content in the body of their post.
We can also see by length of post and common errors, as well as other factors, that williams411 posts almost as an emotional reflex, common in Leftists and subtle at times. Look carefully at Leftist posts. Notice the moving from subject to subject, the inability to form anything more than a false "bumper sticker" analysis and the feeble attempt at turning the tables. All of these things, and many more can indicate to posters and audience alike that the position and feelings about something being espoused upon by a Leftist are an expression of flailing inferiority when confronted with cogent response.
You can also study several other Leftists who have been with us recently and find many of the same patterns and ending up grasping at straws. When confronted with reason or intellectual capability, the CARL Principle Leftist has no defense as their positions they hold are a result of their programming, and they are unable to formulate a response beyond the emotional reflex.
Much can be learned from the Leftists, in terms of their tactics and response, if one takes the time to apply a few simple concepts and keys of understanding. Do not count on actually furthering your knowledge of a subject based on the posts of a CARL type Leftist as they will usually have little more than innuendo or snide opinions in their response.
As a recreational exercise, I urge the audience to take a williams411 response, at random, and replace another of their responses, also randomly. It is a lot of fun and you will also see that each exchanged response will be as validly topical (i.e. not very) and similar in construction. Try it, you won't be disappointed. You can apply this exercise to Leftists in general as well, as it is a measure of Troll-ness, among other things.
Remember, for the Leftist it is not about the merit of an issue, it is about how they react to it with their programmed feelings.
"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H
"I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...everytime!" -me<
Just to clarify
April 21, 2009 - 16:19 ET by sherylsimsMy "mommy and daddy" were NOT rich. However they considered education a high priority and were willing to sacrifice in order for us to have a good one. That was the point that you missed in my earlier post. And the REASON not everyone is able to afford a "luxury" like a good education is because the government took over education and then proceded to replace actual learning with all the pc crap and nonsense that passes for education now.
Yep...
April 21, 2009 - 16:25 ET by williams411it's all because the evil government took over the educational system. How dare the government try to provide an important service to its citizens like education or healthcare.
Trix are for kids, fox is for fools
Yes, how dare they
April 21, 2009 - 16:29 ET by sherylsimsYes, how dare they really! When the free market system could do it so much more effectively.
The Free Market
April 21, 2009 - 17:00 ET by williams411Ahh, the good old free market. Yep, lets leave everything up to them...the free market will fix everything up for us. Well, since we'll put the free market in place then I guess we won't need a form of government anymore, huh? Lets just have anarchy.
Trix are for kids, fox is for fools.
Sure, you have to go all
April 21, 2009 - 17:07 ET by sherylsimsSure, you have to go all the way to anarchy. No balance at all. Just straight over to anarchy. That makes perfect sense.
I know selective amnesia is a new-liberal char trait, but....
April 21, 2009 - 18:44 ET by lotrPresident and Mrs. Obama are currently sending their two children to a privileged private school in DC. Why is that? Actions speak far louder than words.
Oh, and for what it's worth, I attended public school. There was no way my parents could afford a private school. Fortunately for me, however, it was a conservative school (not atypical at one time) -- that means it was focused on rigorous classical subjects, dedicated to genuine academic excellence, and undiluted with PC drivel. Sadly, this is not typically the case anymore. Thus, it's not the government, it's the new-liberalism that emerged from the privileged and prosperous 1950s that has caused us to go soft.
"Let's wrap him up, alright?" -- Keith Olbermann
Good For You
April 21, 2009 - 15:01 ET by williams411I'm glad to hear that yor parents were able to send you to a private school. However, most americans don't have a rich mommy and daddy that can send them to a private school and away from those evil "government schools" lol.
Trix are for kids, fox is for fools
Good For You
April 21, 2009 - 15:01 ET by williams411I'm glad to hear that yor parents were able to send you to a private school. However, most americans don't have a rich mommy and daddy that can send them to a private school and away from those evil "government schools" lol.
Trix are for kids, fox is for fools
Good For You
April 21, 2009 - 15:02 ET by williams411I'm glad to hear that yor parents were able to send you to a private school. However, most americans don't have a rich mommy and daddy that can send them to a private school and away from those evil "government schools" lol.
Trix are for kids, fox is for fools
Good For You
April 21, 2009 - 15:02 ET by williams411I'm glad to hear that yor parents were able to send you to a private school. However, most americans don't have a rich mommy and daddy that can send them to a private school and away from those evil "government schools" lol.
Trix are for kids, fox is for fools
Good For You
April 21, 2009 - 15:02 ET by williams411I'm glad to hear that yor parents were able to send you to a private school. However, most americans don't have a rich mommy and daddy that can send them to a private school and away from those evil "government schools" lol.
Trix are for kids, fox is for fools
You Know...
April 21, 2009 - 16:15 ET by williams411It would make it a lot easier to post comments if NB spent less time bashing liberals and more time on a website that worked...oh well.
Trix are for kids, fox is for fools.
Snide and Bitter?
April 20, 2009 - 12:07 ET by StumpieSnide and bitter lil people are really the thorn in the side of the average Joe. Yes, I'm referring to you.
So instead of telling the truth, maybe we should lie, cheat and steal such as you and yours? DAMN that truth is getting old, yeah mix it up, let's lie like our existing President and the majority in Congress, that'll make it better!
Just because the majority of government indoctrinated, oops I mean 'educated' people can't descerne truth from fiction or fact does not mean we stop telling the truth about the Socialist Facist guy that's in the Presidents office now.
Unfortunetely, the only way these people will learn is the hard way.....
oh
April 20, 2009 - 12:22 ET by RowaneOh, go soothe yourself.
I'm sick of this stupid screed.
George Lucas...
April 20, 2009 - 11:19 ET by AgentAmericanis responsible for the proliferation of virgins in their 30s and 40s...all male.
Gene Roddenberry has done the same.
2010: A GOP Hill
That being said, Lucas
April 20, 2009 - 13:05 ET by StewMcKinThat being said, Lucas should be a savior to many of those on this site who are against premarital sex.
The New York Times
April 20, 2009 - 11:27 ET by VinncyGThey are rapidly becoming the "National Lampoon" of the mainstream media. On slow days they make stuff up as long as it's anti-republican or anti-conservative.
Anyone who subscribes to this worthless has been of a (Newspaper?) or wastes their companies money advertising in this non-entity really needs to think seriously of seeing someone professionally, because your going off the deep end quick.
You can join the clueless stockholders, who still can't figure out why they are losing their investment. It's called a lack of FAIRNESS AN BALANCED REPORTING, just in case they can't figure it out.
Obi-wan, the Republican
April 20, 2009 - 11:39 ET by EmrysAnd here I thought that Obi-wan was talking about liberals when he said "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." Maybe he just meant the New York Times?
Those who are destroying the Republic must be publicly shamed. -- PublicPillory http://www.publicpillory.blogspot.com/
Williams411
April 20, 2009 - 11:42 ET by VinncyGAnd if you actually use that supposed brain of yours, you would at least start questioning your loyalty to your idol. The writing has always been there, all you have to do is EDUCATE yourself.
Dick Cheney is a Conservative...
April 20, 2009 - 11:59 ET by jawebster1If he had total influence over George Bush, we would have cut spending in addition to cutting taxes. Also, and this is very important, if Cheney had total control over George Bush, his friend "Scooter" Libby would have gotten a full and complete pardon instead of just having his sentence commuted. I really do hate today's main-stream media for constantly lying to the American people.* Thank God for Rush and "talk radio", for Brent Bozell and "the internet" and for Hannity and "Fox News" or we'd never know the actual truth. Jim Webster
*It is okay to hate evil. Lying in order to deceive and corrupt is pure unadulterated evil! Hating Bush is evil because Bush is not evil and everyone except the stupid and uninformed know it. Harry "the war is lost" Reid is an example of someone who is evil!
Total Control
April 20, 2009 - 12:07 ET by Sergeant ROCKThat's an astute observation. I believe those that had 'control' were his advisors, etc.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
I have only one thing to say,
April 20, 2009 - 12:19 ET by DelsaLONG LIVE THE EMPEROR !
I'll take Vader Any Day
April 20, 2009 - 12:27 ET by Peter-in-NYCUp until the death star thing what really was so bad about Vader and the Emperor? I could argue that Vader and the Emperor didn't actually order anything or any planet destroyed. That was an order from the rogue Grand Moff Tarken (he must be attorney general Gonzales in these people's minds).
Really all Vader wanted was some order. But like liberals, the rebels want chaos. They think disorder is somehow better. Way to go.
Always seemed to me that the
April 20, 2009 - 13:28 ET by onelove4891Always seemed to me that the empire, with their large central government, vying for universal government, were more liberal than conservative! So Obama is darth and Gore would be the emperor..
If there is one thing about Dowd,
April 20, 2009 - 13:37 ET by bianchi_bocconeShe has always shown the GOP as more manly then the dems. She has always shown the Dems to be weak and effeminate in her writings.
Ciao,
B.Boccone
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate." -D.Alighieri
And he knew this in 1980?
April 20, 2009 - 16:08 ET by SlyrrJust asking. He'd never even heard of GW Bush or Cheney before 2000 I bet. He probably didn't even know Bush 41 had any kids.
What else can he say since everyone agrees that his 'prequel trilogy' was 8 hours of concentrated misery drilled into the forebrain, and that the whole confused lot of it should be declared non-canon?
obama is jar jar binks!
April 20, 2009 - 16:55 ET by right of wayi like lucas. i just saw the biography channel do a piece on him. he seems down to earth, but, to call both our former president, and vice president evil is way out of line. why not blame al-qaeda for dragging us into the middle east. we didn't want to go, (proof postive with bush senior), but we had to go so we would not seem weak, which is what obama is doing so well with appeasement. neville chamberlian must be glowing in his grave with glee. i guess that makes obama jar jar binks! i appolgize if someone else made this comparison already, i just read the article and didn't read the comments.
"O" as Jar Jar Binks?
April 20, 2009 - 18:51 ET by lkoturOkey Dey!
Mesa know all about economy. Mesa spend money on economy.
Mesa save economy. Mesa so smart! Mesa also propose the Grand army of the Republic. Mesa a tool for those that want to kill us.
Mesa brought ruin to the Republic.
Mesa helped our enemies. Mesa friend to our enemies.
Okey Dey!
Yea, I could see it!
I love the ORGINAL Star Wars
April 20, 2009 - 19:08 ET by jgarciaI love the ORGINAL Star Wars movies, and then something happen, fame and money went to G. Lucas’s head….. for the next three are just plain junked up with movie tricks with nothing to show for it……….. the orginal 3 where then redone with stupid add ins……… He lost the meaning of the first three; his lack of faith is disturbing……. What if the democracy we thought we were serving no longer exists, and the Republic has become the very evil we've been fighting to destroy? PADME AMIDALA, Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith Something for the left to think about…….
Darth Vader, and the Emporer
April 27, 2009 - 08:54 ET by grumpyoldbAnd that would make B.O. JarJar Binx retarded kid brother....