Chris Matthews Grills Ari Fleischer Like an Enemy of the State

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I'm not sure I've ever witnessed a more disgraceful performance by a so-called journalist than what transpired on Wednesday's "Hardball." 

In fact, from the moment MSNBC's Chris Matthews introduced his guest, former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer, the "Hardball" host went on the attack as if he was interviewing an enemy of the state.

Potentially most disgraceful - even beyond how rudely he treated a former member of the White House and a fellow American - was how Matthews made no pretense concerning his apparent affiliation and undying support for Barack Obama and the Party in power.

Viewers were given a clue early on when Matthews asked, "Doesn`t the economy that you left the country when your party left the country in our hands...?"

Yes, he really said "our hands." He also said, "Let me ask you about the financial crisis which we inherited." But that's just the beginning (video embedded below the fold along with full transcript, h/t NBer bigtimer):

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CHRIS MATTHEWS, HOST: But first we begin with the campaign by former aides to President Bush to defend his legacy. Ari Fleischer was the White House -- Ari, what a smiling face to have back on our show! Thank you, sir.

ARI FLEISCHER, FORMER BUSH WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: Thank you, Chris.

MATTHEWS: What brings you back? Is this the return from Elba? Is this the 100 days of Napoleon`s return from Crawford? What is going on with this network of former Bushies -- current Bushies, I should say -- singing the old song?

FLEISCHER: Well, Chris, I`m here because you invited me to be here.

MATTHEWS: Oh, yes. OK. I appreciate that. But isn`t there a lot of you out there -- I called them the "band of Bushies" -- who are out there trying to remind us of how good he really was?

FLEISCHER: Well, there, of course, is a number of people who believe in George Bush, believe in his policies and believe he helped contribute to a stronger, better America, where we haven`t been hit since September 11. But what happens after you leave office, Chris -- and you know this very well -- is there are a lot of cable shows and a lot of people are still interested in your opinions. And I`m always pleased if I can go on and talk -- mostly, it`s talking contemporaneously about what`s happening with President Obama and just my take on events. And along the way, there are inevitable comparisons or insights you can deliver about what I saw when I was there working for President Bush. I`m proud to say what I think.

MATTHEWS: Well, let`s talk about the change in parties which occurred last year in November. You`re as aware of politics as anybody around. You speak about it. You think about it. You write about it. It seems to me there were two reasons why Barack Obama was elected president. First of all, he won the primaries because he was totally against the war in Iraq. He won the general because the economy sucked.

Now, to put it bluntly, what`s wrong about that? Doesn`t the war still stand as a mistake, as an unpopular war? Doesn`t the economy that you left the country when your party left the country in our hands terrible and worthy of a change of parties? What`s really changed since November?

Imagine that. Matthews wasn't even pretending to be impartial. The economy was left in "our hands." Nice job, Chris. But there was much more: 

(CROSSTALK)

FLEISCHER: I don`t think a lot has changed in terms of what you just described. And I would agree with your overall political assessment. It was in part because of Iraq and in large part because of the economy that Barack Obama won.

Having said that, I also think Barack Obama should say thank you every day that he inherited a world without Saddam Hussein in it. Imagine how much worse the Middle East would be if Saddam and his sons were still in charge of that country and how much worse human rights would be in that region of the world.

So it`s not as simple as just saying that one factor contributed to an election. That`s absolutely true in the politics of it. But now that he`s governing it`s a lot more complicated, isn`t it. Take today...

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: ... the war in Iraq?

FLEISCHER: Hold on a second, Chris. Take today.

MATTHEWS: ... Ahmadinejad, who doesn`t have a buffer in the region...

FLEISCHER: Chris, today he issued his first signing statement...

MATTHEWS: Right.

FLEISCHER: ... where he put the exact same things that George Bush did in signing statements...

MATTHEWS: OK.

FLEISCHER: ... that you and others criticized George Bush for. My point is that governing is a lot more complicated than mere politics. And I can point that out when I have the ability to compare what happened under George Bush`s watch to Barack Obama`s watch. It`s a lot of nuance and a lot of context.

MATTHEWS: Well, we had the national debt grow from $5.7 when you guys came in to $10.9 when you left. And many Republicans who now speak very loudly on this subject say the reason is that that man we`re looking at right now, your boss for those years, President George W. Bush, never vetoed a single spending bill. He opened the door, the flood gates, to huge spending.

Interesting. So, Matthews was opposed to "huge spending" then, but doesn't mind it now?

FLEISCHER: Well, actually, the spending on domestic...

MATTHEWS: Isn`t this true?

FLEISCHER: Chris, the spending on domestic discretionary and non- homeland security went up by 1.3 percent a year. What happened was entitlement spending, because of prescription drugs for seniors, and then defense military homeland security went way up, then you had the recession of 2001, which we inherited. That`s all that contributed to it.

Critics will point to the tax cuts. I remind people that the tax cuts led to a record-breaking 55 months of economic growth and job creation. We`ve never in this country had 55 straight months of job creation. We had that under President Bush before the bank failures of September.

MATTHEWS: Are you proud of the economic record of George W. Bush?

FLEISCHER: You know, I think he came in with a recession, he left with a recession...

MATTHEWS: No, really. Are you proud of it? Is it something to brag about?

FLEISCHER: Chris, it`s not a simple one-word answer. I`m not proud of the way...

MATTHEWS: Yes, well, the way we judge success is what you left behind. The way we judge success in life is if you have a campfire as a Boy Scout and you say -- you`re told, Leave it better than when you found it. Did you leave the economy better than you found it?

Interesting question, Chris. Would you care to ask it of Bill Clinton? After all, he inherited an economy that was growing, and left with a stock market plummeting, and a recession beginning. But I digress:

FLEISCHER: Look, I think when people look back on the Bush years...

MATTHEWS: Isn`t that a fair standard?

FLEISCHER: ... the one thing people are going to remember the most is that he kept us safe. We have not been attacked against since September 11. The second is, as I said, Barack Obama should be thankful that he`s inherited a world without Saddam Hussein in it. The third part...

MATTHEWS: Yes, but we were attacked on your watch. If you start getting into who was attacked when, we suffered the worst domestic calamity in history on your watch. If you get into this whose watch was good, you guys blew it.

Astounding dishonesty here, for even Matthews is aware that Osama bin Laden declared war on the United States during Bill Clinton's watch, and was preparing 9/11 for years. I guess Matthews forgot all the attacks on American interests during the '90s.

FLEISCHER: Chris, I...

MATTHEWS: I don`t know if you can do it that way.

FLEISCHER: Chris, how dare you?

MATTHEWS: But how can you say...

(CROSSTALK)

FLEISCHER: Chris, if we get attacked again -- if we get attacked again, are you going to say we got attacked on Barack Obama`s watch? We got attacked by terrorists.

MATTHEWS: No, no. I`m using the word the way...

FLEISCHER: That`s who`s to blame for it, Chris.

MATTHEWS: ... you`re using it. You`re saying...

FLEISCHER: And I think what you just did is shameful.

MATTHEWS: No, no. I think...

FLEISCHER: I just said that we can all be proud...

MATTHEWS: It`s not shameful to say...

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: You were bragging about the fact that we weren`t hit after 9/11.

(CROSSTALK)

FLEISCHER: ... proud that we haven`t been attacked since September 11.

MATTHEWS: You`re bragging about the fact we weren`t hit...

FLEISCHER: That`s exactly right.

MATTHEWS: How can you brag about...

Why is it wrong to brag about the fact that we haven't been attacked since 9/11? Isn't the primary function of a president to defend the nation? We're now approaching eight years since that awful day. Shouldn't we be proud of that?

FLEISCHER: That`s what people are going to remember about President Bush`s administration.

MATTHEWS: Well, they don`t remember that because his popularity went down to about one of the lowest in American history. He`s down near the bottom of American presidents because people believe that he didn`t do a good job as president. Let`s go back to your standard. I`m not saying...

(CROSSTALK)

FLEISCHER: ... people who look at substance. You`re in the former category.

MATTHEWS: Ari -- Ari, you can`t set up a standard and then not live by it. If the standard is, We didn`t get hit...

FLEISCHER: Who is talking?

MATTHEWS: What?

FLEISCHER: Who`s talking?

MATTHEWS: If you set up a standard...

FLEISCHER: Set up a standard and not live by it, Chris Matthews?

MATTHEWS: Yes.

FLEISCHER: You know, Chris, I don`t recall you saying that James Carville, Paul Begala, those people, shouldn`t be on the air defending their boss, but here you are questioning why people like me would be out there saying things about my boss.

MATTHEWS: Well, because...

FLEISCHER: It`s not a slam-dunk, Chris. There are two sides to every issue.

MATTHEWS: OK. Good. Fair enough. Fair enough.

FLEISCHER: And I get to present that side.

MATTHEWS: OK, give me the argument that you can make again on a couple of fronts. The Iraq war -- back when we got into the war, you admitted that the evidence presented by the president wasn`t fair, that the argument that we were facing a nuclear threat, about the yellowcake from Africa and the purchase of it supposedly from -- by Saddam Hussein, you said wasn`t true. Your words were, That information turned out to be incorrect. You questioned the president`s case for the war, I didn`t.

Are you happy to defend the way Katrina was handled after you left the administration? Are you generally happy with the economic record of the Bush administration? These are broad questions. I think I`m being fair.

FLEISCHER: And my point...

MATTHEWS: And by the way, nobody was tougher...

FLEISCHER: My point to you...

MATTHEWS: Nobody on television was tougher...

FLEISCHER: ... back, Chris, is that we have not been...

MATTHEWS: ... on President -- nobody was tougher on President Clinton than I was, and you know it. So don`t accuse me...

Nobody was tougher on Clinton than Chris Matthews? He actually said that with a straight face.

(CROSSTALK)

FLEISCHER: No, I think a lot of people were tougher than you. You were tough on President Clinton, on his ethics and his morality.

MATTHEWS: Don`t say I haven`t been tough.

FLEISCHER: Chris, you were tough on...

MATTHEWS: Don`t say I haven`t been tough.

FLEISCHER: You were tough on his ethics and morality. How couldn`t you be?

MATTHEWS: Well...

FLEISCHER: But as for President Bush, yes, I am proud of the fact we have not been attacked since September 11, and a lot of people deserve credit for it...

MATTHEWS: OK.

FLEISCHER: ... President Bush included. And despite the fact that we were wrong about whether Saddam had WMD because Saddam lied about it and everybody, included Bill Clinton, believed he had WMD, I believe we are all better off and Barack Obama is better off because Saddam Hussein is no longer in this world or in this Middle East creating more trouble.

MATTHEWS: OK. Suppose...

FLEISCHER: And he should be thankful for that.

MATTHEWS: Let me ask you this question as a partisan question. Suppose you knew that a Democratic president had...

FLEISCHER: What else do you ask?

MATTHEWS: ... had gotten a presidential memo, a daily presidential briefing that said, al Qaeda to attack within the United States, and three or four weeks later, they did and killed 3,000 of us. Would you hold that against the incumbent Democratic president, if you knew he was warned directly of an attack coming and then it came with nothing stopping it? Would you say that he was shameful, might be a word you`d use?

FLEISCHER: Chris, first of all, wasn`t warned directly. It was one of those vague warnings about al Qaeda wants to attack in the United States.

MATTHEWS: Inside the United States.

FLEISCHER: Well, is that a surprise to...

MATTHEWS: It was delivered to the president in person...

FLEISCHER: Sure.

MATTHEWS: ... in a daily intelligence briefing. And what did he do with that intelligence?

FLEISCHER: Chris, and this is the real world. This is what`s mind- numbingly frustrating about...

MATTHEWS: See, I`m just asking you how you...

FLEISCHER: Chris...

MATTHEWS: ... would use it politically.

FLEISCHER: Chris, do you ever not interrupt your guests, or is that all you`d like to do?

(Readers are advised that there was laughter in the studio when Fleischer said this.)

Now, here`s the answer to your question, if you would let me answer it. One of the frustrating parts that the presidency - - and Barack Obama is going to find this -- is that intelligence reports are mind-numbingly frustrating. You get a report saying al Qaeda is determined to attack in the United States. Well, that`s not a surprise. Of course they are. It doesn`t say where. It doesn`t say when. It doesn`t say how.

So if you get a report like that, what do you do? Do you shut down shipping to the United States? Do you shut down air traffic in the United States? How long do you do these things? Do you shut down immigration to the United States? If you don`t know the hows, the whens and the wheres, you`re very limited in what practical steps you can take.

So if Barack Obama were to receive something like that, I would not do what you did. I would not be critical of the incumbent president. I would say this is part of the reality of how hard it is to govern in a world of terrorism and that I wish President Obama tremendous success in stopping terrorists who come here. I wouldn`t put the blame on his shoulders. I put the blame on the shoulders of the terrorists who tried to attack us.

MATTHEWS: Let me ask you to review, as you were playing defense here, and properly so. The president`s economic record left this country with a financial crisis like we don`t even know the bottom of yet. Is that the responsibility of the administration that left office January 20th or not?

FLEISCHER: Chris, there`s no question the administration -- the Bush administration left behind a bad recession for President Obama, just as we inherited a mild recession from President Clinton. As a result of the Bush tax cuts, the 2001 recession was very short, very shallow, and it was followed then by, as I said, record-breaking job creation.

MATTHEWS: Right.

FLEISCHER: What I`m worried about now is I think President Obama has taken a very tough, bad situation that he did inherit, but I think all his spending is making it worse. That`s what troubles me. You listen to Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker of the House, today say that we need a second stimulus. Well, that`s acknowledgement that the first one is a failure. This is what troubles me.

MATTHEWS: OK.

FLEISCHER: We`re pouring good money after bad, and I don`t think Barack Obama has got it under control. We`re still waiting to hear the specifics of his banking policies from his Treasury secretary on what`s going to fix the banks. The Treasury secretary made an announcement three weeks ago with no substance and no details, and we`re still waiting.

MATTHEWS: OK.. Let me ask you about the financial crisis which we inherited. Let me ask you another question. Do you believe that the administration made an honest case in taking us to war with Iraq? An honest case.

WE INHERITED? Who's "we," Chris? Astounding.

FLEISCHER: Yes. Yes.

MATTHEWS: Even though you corrected the record afterwards and said that they made a dishonest argument that we faced a nuclear threat.

FLEISCHER: Chris, how disingenuous are you? You can just roll back the tape...

MATTHEWS: I`m just quoting you!

FLEISCHER: ... in this interview. Chris, I said we were wrong. I didn`t say we were dishonest. Dishonest is your word, Chris Matthews. We were wrong.

MATTHEWS: Well, how did it happen...

FLEISCHER: But Bill Clinton was wrong...

MATTHEWS: ... if it wasn`t done on purpose?

FLEISCHER: It was an intelligence mistake. We were all wrong.

MATTHEWS: OK.

FLEISCHER: The United States was wrong. The United Nations was wrong. Egypt was wrong. Israel was wrong. Bill Clinton was wrong. George Bush was wrong.

MATTHEWS: OK.

FLEISCHER: And don`t forget the CIA director under George Bush was the same CIA director, a Democrat, under Bill Clinton. Now, Chris, you`re in a responsible position...

MATTHEWS: The problem is you told us...

FLEISCHER: ... doing what you do. When you confuse...

MATTHEWS: ... this was a mistake. You told us this stuff...

FLEISCHER: ... getting something wrong with being dishonest, shame on you.

MATTHEWS: ... was all wrong. But Ari, you probably got in a lot of trouble for telling the truth back then by saying it was an inaccurate claim, an incorrect claim. You did so courageously...

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: ... and you did so after we got into the war. Unfortunately...

FLEISCHER: George Bush said the same thing. He said the intelligence was wrong.

MATTHEWS: OK. Most Americans...

(CROSSTALK)

FLEISCHER: And then he had a commission study why the intelligence was wrong so future presidents could benefit from changing the intelligence structure.

MATTHEWS: Let me go back to where we started...

FLEISCHER: That`s what you`re supposed to do when you make a mistake.

MATTHEWS: ... before we started quibbling here. One of the main reasons why this president...

FLEISCHER: It`s not a quibble. It`s fundamental.

MATTHEWS: One of the main reasons...

FLEISCHER: What`s troublesome is why you would twist my words. When I said we were wrong, you said I acknowledged we were dishonest. Chris, that reveals a lot about you and how you...

MATTHEWS: Let`s go over it again.

FLEISCHER: ... cover (ph) the guests that come on your show...

MATTHEWS: You believe -- do you believe...

FLEISCHER: ... when you twist people`s words like that. You shouldn`t do that.

MATTHEWS: Just a minute. Thanks for the -- for the correction. Let me ask you this. Do you believe that you know for sure that those words were not confected to win the case for the war, that we went into that war with people who really wanted to push the evidence harder than they should have, that they were reckless in making claims that couldn`t be proven afterwards, as you admitted?

FLEISCHER: Well, given the fact...

MATTHEWS: Were they reckless claims?

FLEISCHER: Given the fact that Bill Clinton also said that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, biological and or chemical...

MATTHEWS: No, nuclear weapons.

FLEISCHER: No.

MATTHEWS: Nuclear.

FLEISCHER: Nobody ever said he had...

MATTHEWS: You guys claimed nuclear.

FLEISCHER: ... nuclear except -- no, Chris, we didn`t. Dick Cheney made a mistake on one Sunday show and said nuclear and then he took it back. That`s the only time anybody ever said that.

MATTHEWS: Over and over again...

FLEISCHER: We were fearful -- we were fearful...

MATTHEWS: ... Condi Rice and the rest of you...

FLEISCHER: We were fearful he would try to develop them.

MATTHEWS: ... said if we didn`t go to war with Iraq -- over and over again, we heard if we didn`t go to war with Iraq, if we waited to hear evidence further, we would be -- we would suffer a mushroom cloud -- Condi Rice. The vice president went on "Meet the Press" and other programs again and again and again, threatening this country...

FLEISCHER: Once.

MATTHEWS: ... if we didn`t go to war with Iraq, we`d suffer a nuclear threat from them. There was evidence presented by your administration there was some sort of delivery vehicle that could deliver a nuclear weapon to this continent. That`s what you guys claimed. That`s how you got the middle-of-the-road people to back the war. And now you backpedal. Afterwards, you admit it was incorrect. Well, other people have different observations about how hard you pushed. But you pushed to get us in the war, and now you`re backing out of it. Now you`re coming back and saying, well, you were right even though you took it back.

FLEISCHER: Chris, we always said that we didn`t want to let a smoking gun turn into a mushroom cloud.

MATTHEWS: What did that mean?

FLEISCHER: We never knew whether he had -- we always said he does not have nuclear. I repeatedly said that. But he was determined to try to acquire it, just as he was determined to acquire biological and chemical.

MATTHEWS: Right.

FLEISCHER: And it`s wrong for you to say that what we said was wrong, when we acknowledged the intelligence was wrong, but then the inspectors who went over there after the war did report that Saddam had an active intelligence program to acquire biological and chemical weapons. He never stopped working on them.

MATTHEWS: Yes. The problem is, you...

FLEISCHER: We were wrong that he had them. We weren`t wrong that he was trying to obtain them. And that`s why I believe, Chris, to this very day that we should all be grateful that we`ve inherited...

MATTHEWS: Well...

FLEISCHER: ... that Barack Obama has inherited a world without Saddam in it.

MATTHEWS: OK, well, that`s...

FLEISCHER: The sanctions were full of loopholes. He ultimately would have had them. We were wrong when we said he had them, but it was only a matter of time, Chris.

MATTHEWS: And now we face Ahmadinejad in Iran with no buffer in the region, no threat to his power, no counter-power to him. He`s all alone over there as a main threat to our country and to other countries in the region because we removed the only check on his power, which was Saddam Hussein. That`s just as legitimate a strategic argument as the one you just made.

But what you cannot continue to argue is there was any justification for saying there was a mushroom cloud facing us if we didn`t go to war quickly. It was an argument for a quick rush to war, to jam us into the war as quickly as possible with the threat of a nuclear attack on this country. It was made very effectively. I was there at the time, Ari. I was challenging it at the time. And only afterwards did you say it wasn`t a correct fact.

FLEISCHER: Chris, I repeatedly said from the podium -- and you can find the tape and roll it for your audience -- that Saddam does not have nuclear. We said he would try to obtain nuclear, and that`s what we believed.

MATTHEWS: Right.

FLEISCHER: We do know that he was trying to obtain biological and chemical. As for your argument about Ahmadinejad, you know, there are some people who believe in the legitimacy of dictator versus dictator and that`s how you have a balance of power around the world.

MATTHEWS: Right.

FLEISCHER: I can`t dispute that that is one strain of foreign policy. But when I look at it on balance, I`d much rather not have Saddam in the world. I`d much rather have Libya without its nuclear weapons, much rather have Syria without its nuclear weapons it was developing.

MATTHEWS: That would be an argument...

FLEISCHER: Three nations, two of which were trying to develop...

MATTHEWS: That would be...

FLEISCHER: ... nuclear no longer have done so under George Bush`s watch. I believe that`s made for a much more safe and secure Middle East.

MATTHEWS: Well, the truly frightening...

FLEISCHER: Iran is the last remaining big problem.

MATTHEWS: ... argument you have just made -- the truly frightening argument you just made is anybody in the world we don`t like is worthy of a war to take them out of power. And I don`t believe that`s a justifiable argument morally, politically, geopolitically or other. If we don`t like...

FLEISCHER: Was there a war against Libya?

MATTHEWS: ... a world leader, and there are a lot of them we don`t like...

(CROSSTALK)

FLEISCHER: Chris, yes or no. Was there a war against Libya? The answer is no and Libya no longer has nuclear weapons. They turned them in. They dismantled their program. Was there a war against Syria? The answer is no.

MATTHEWS: But your argument is that because...

FLEISCHER: Israel went in and surgically removed...

MATTHEWS: ... we didn`t like Saddam Hussein, we should have gone to war with him. That`s your argument, not mine.

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: Ari, agree to disagree.

FLEISCHER: ... and I believe this still today. And of course, you and I disagree with it. But after September 11, having been hit once, how could we take a chance that Saddam might not strike again? And that`s the threat that has been removed, and I think we`re all safer with that threat being removed.

MATTHEWS: OK. And I am glad-

FLEISCHER: And I`m proud to take that argument.

MATTHEWS: ... that we no longer have an administration that uses that kind of argument. Thank you very much, Ari Fleischer. And the American people are happier, too. They are, I can assure you. We don`t like that thinking anymore in this country.

Coming up...

FLEISCHER: Well, Chris, we all know where you stand.

MATTHEWS: And you, as well, sir. Thank you for coming on.

FLEISCHER: Thank you, Chris.

MATTHEWS: I mean it.

Astounding. Now Chris Matthews thinks he's speaking for the entire nation.

Is that journalism?

Of course, that's a rhetorical question, for nothing about this interview from the moment it began could be so labeled.

I'm frankly stunned by Matthews' performance -- how about you?

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It Was Lovely

I watched it as it happened and I was hoping it would be here tonight.  Ari Fleischer was courteous and composed and Chris Matthews was losing it.  At one point Mr. Matthews had no response whatsoever to one of Fleischer's zingers and there was dead air for ten seconds or so.  To cut the silence, Chris Matthews then said, "What?"


exactly

I agree. Fleischer got the best of Matthews. But Matthews' behavior was stunning (as Noel put it), even by Matthews' poor standards. Maybe others have commented, but the video on this is worth watching. Fleischer at one point knocks Matthews for not letting him finish a question, and Matthews' own stagehands laugh at him. It was quite a spectacle.

Stunning

Ari did not give Matthews an inch of room and called him out at every misstep.

What it showed was that Matthews is not a journalist like Ari is and can not stand up to his own worlds and positions - or stand up to the treatment he is so famous for.

At one point Matthews seemed confused and near tears and looking for help or the clock to end this.

What are the chances Olbermann and Maddow will invite Ari on his show?

 

obama inherited this

obama inherited this recession from the democrat-controlled congress - who inherited a very healthy economy from Republican control and then promptly crashed it into a ball of flames - and now obama is pouring gas on the fire

of course: 

FLEISCHER: What`s troublesome is why you would twist my words. When I said we were wrong, you said I acknowledged we were dishonest. Chris, that reveals a lot about you and how you...

who's worst prez ever now?!!

Feischer Did Well

I was fortuante enough to see the interview live. I thougth Fleischer handled himself well. The only meat to Matthews argument was that the Administrations use of the term "mushroom cloud" implied that Saddam had nuclear weapons.  Fleischer was quick to point out that he said over and over that Saddam did not have nuclear weapons.

Matthews is a very angry man.  I hope Fleischer is well paid to appear with him.

Owned

Hey Chrissy, don't mess with the Zohan. You got butt raped on your own show, and it wasn't from Obama, which you would have loved ,huh?

Game, set, match,

Game, set, match, Fleischer!

It was evident from the very first exchange what Matthews intent was, and that Fleischer wasn't about to let him get away with it...

(emphasis mine)

MATTHEWS: What brings you back? Is this the return from Elba? Is
this the 100 days of Napoleon`s return from Crawford? What is going on
with this network of former Bushies -- current Bushies, I should say --
singing the old song?

FLEISCHER: Well, Chris, I`m here because you invited me to be here.

And it was all downhill from there....

I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson

Who cares what Matthews says..or..Notice anything missing?

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"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."

Thomas Jefferson

Very good news

Doesn't Glenn Beck compete directly with Matthews?

I saw the Ari/Chrissie video on another site and Ari should be a regular on the show.  Might boost ratings from above 247 people watching.  As pointed out on HotAir, it was funny that when Ari asked Matthews if he ever does not interrupt his guest that even the stagehands couldn't hold back laughter.

time slots

Re:  "Doesn't Glenn Beck compete directly with Matthews?"

Yes , they share the same time slot and Beck is killing Matthews. I can't remember exactly but I think Matthews pulls in about 200,000 viewers.

Editing...I did some digging and was not able to pin down Matthew's ratings but it was interesting to read numerous lefty reports about Beck's falling numbers at CNN . I'm sure we'll hear all about Beck's new success and Matthew's falling numbers real soon..............

sound of crickets

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"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."

Thomas Jefferson

Andante

My post here has a link to Matthews' ratings.

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“The left -- you people, you Democrats -- you are creating a monster that you will not be able to control forever.  You will ultimately regret what you are doing just like the media will ultimately regret its sacrifice of reason, its abandonment of its primary purpose.” ~ Rush Limbaugh

per mediabistro's tvnewser

On Tuesday March 10, Matthews at 5:00 had 119,000 viewers in the 25 to 54 age group. Total viewers were 630,000. This compares to Beck, on Fox at the same time, 662,000, 25 to 54 and total viewers 2,331,000.

Also Matthews just took a 60% pay cut from 5 mill to 2 mill a year to continue his show.

Note

Last month Olberdummy was at 1,485,000. Now he is at 928,000 a 33.6% drop. He may need a stimulus package soon.

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"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."

Thomas Jefferson

Adante... One thing about

Adante...

One thing about it...the good news for us taxpayers, if they Bath-Tub Boy ever got counted in the Stimulus package, it would only be the price of a couple of thumb-tacks...at Wal-Mart price to-boot!

Tingles

"...if the Bath-Tub Boy ever got counted in the Stimulus package..."

I think Nancy has already arranged for Olberdummy to get stimulated by rubbing some tingle off Matthew's leg.

I gotta stop this; the visual is making me sick. Good night :)

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"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."

Thomas Jefferson

Andante... Good night...have

Andante...

Good night...have a good one, at least you have me smirking.

Catch ya later.

I tried to watch it.

I could only take a minute or two.

Chris Matthews is  nothing but a spokesperson for the Obama administration and MSNBC is nothing more than a PR firm for the White House and the DNC.They are peddlers of lies.

They are no longer a news organization as if they ever were.

 

Because with a name like Obama... you know it has to be good.

§ NOEL...Interview Ari Fleischer!!!

I have now seen Ari go Toe-to-Toe with Shyster and Crissy...and TOAST them.

Can you get an Interview with him?

I also heard you are blogging for  Foxnews.com ???

Can you give us a Link??  I'm looking around now.

Did you Post about it...How do you like it??

Ster.

My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.

Ster

§ Noel...Thanks!! Please take note...

Can you watch the Video again and LISTEN for Matthews to GRUNT, EXHALE, and SNIF into the MIC while Ari is talking.

Seriously....

I watched this 2 times.  LISTEN, Record, and put into a SOUND file....

I'll use it as a RING TONE!!!

Ster.

My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.

I LOL'd...oh man, I lol'd

Seriously, that may be the best thing I have seen all year - Chris "Thriller" Matthews getting intellectually body-slammed on his own show.  I was CHEERING watching this replay.  Chris' only good point is about how the fall of Iraq led to the rise of Iran - but even that is not completely true, as the rise of Iran was also influenced by factors such as Russian arms and oil trade (look at the pipeline that runs out of the northwest corner of Iran...I personally believe that to be the reason for the Georgian invasion - our pipeline there was bombed in the first three days), as well as a moderate amount of Chinese trade. 

Iran did not simply rise because there was no Iraq.  So Matthews is still an abject failure :)

Make no mistake!

Make no mistake! There will be a day of reckoning for Chris Matthews and he will weep bitter tears. Words cannot describe the blot on humanity that bears the name "Chris Matthews." It is like swallowing vomit to listen to him. I don't know how Ari Fleischer managed to get through the interview. It makes me sick to my stomach.

the economy?

The Dems ran THE Congress in 2007 and 2008.
Biden and Obama voted for these budgets in the Senate
 both years, as part of THE majority party.
B and O were sucking up fannie donations as well.

The Dems were THE major contributors to the state of the economy in 2009.  These partisans trying to rewrite history are shameful.

Thank You Noel.

Thank You Noel.

§ Bt, Noel...Note how Matthews denegrated DENNY's??

The Into to the "Show"...

Matthews makes fun of a fundraiser of Regular People at a Denny's for Gov. Palin.  They make 3,000 dollars.  He makes FUN of IT!!

Sound a little....

...wait for it...

ELETIST???

Ster.

My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.

Nothing new here

Chris is a first class idiot. Chris being a partisan hack is like the sun rising every day. I've come to expect it.

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Looks to me like Chris

Looks to me like Chris Matthews might be trying to position himself to replace the hideously incompetent, but supremely entertaining Robert Gibbs, whose days as spokesmouth for the Organizer I still maintain are numbered.

The huge cut in pay notwithstanding, of course.

Besides, Chris did say he was willing to do whatever to make sure that the Organizer's "presidency" was a success, did he not? Not even two months into it, the former Chicago street agitator's "presidency" appears to me to be on life support.

Time to step up to the plate, Chris.

-Dave

This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.

Matthews

That was a performance, all right. And for the record, Fleischer cleaned his clock. Contrast this with Tim Russert. Russert always did the same thing that Matthews did here. Russert would take a quote from the guest's past, and hold it up for all to see, where the guest had said something that "seems to contradict" what he's saying now.

But the glaring difference is that Russert would give the guest a chance to defend himself.

Matthews is afraid to allow the guest to defend himself, because he's afraid that the guest might destroy the accusation. Case in point - the mushroom cloud. Matthews has been peddling the idea that Bush was frightening everyone about mushroom clouds and nuclear disaster. But when Fleischer correctly demolished that, Matthews was desperate to hold onto it. That's why Matthews interrupts ... he's afraid of the answer.

I don't like that tactic from any of them. O'Reilly and Hannity do the same thing, and I can't stand it. Let the guest talk. After all, my two favorite interviewers were WFBuckley and Tim Russert. More often than not, Buckley and Russert would allow the guest to hang themselves.

KC... Yep...I posted

KC...

Yep...I posted about this right after it happened somewhere today, I watched it live and let Noel know about it right off, before the show was over...it was something to behold...

This is the secomd time Ari cleaned his clock, with such firm grace.

It was priceless...all of it, and unless others really listen to it all, they aren't going to know what they missed. 

Ari should have asked...

Chris, what color is the sky in your world? I'm starting to wonder how these bitter people (Matthews et. al) get themselves out bed in the morning, it must take a great deal of mental and physical energy to be so hate filled and bitter. Wow.

 

"Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but the democrats believe every day is April 15." Ronald Reagan

Yeah I totally agree

Matthews was being a total Jerk. I hate guys like that, why did Fleisher even agree to be on.

On a side note.

FLEISCHER: ... President Bush included. And despite the fact that we
were wrong about whether Saddam had WMD
because Saddam lied about it
and everybody, included Bill Clinton, believed he had WMD, I believe we
are all better off and Barack Obama is better off because Saddam
Hussein is no longer in this world or in this Middle East creating more
trouble.

Both BD and cocodrie seem to think it is a media lie that  it is the official stance of the Bush administration that we were wrong about Saddam having WMD.  I hope this proves them wrong.

 

He had my vote

shawn... Take your side

shawn...

Take your side note back to the thread where you have this on-going matter going on with BD and coco, instead of trying to derail the thread.

Btw...Ari, creamed Matthews, that is what this is about.

Period.

...and now that makes twice Ari has done this...I wonder just how many more times he will have him on as a guest, if he is smart, or his handlers are, they will do so a lot more.

Nothing like sacrifing Matthews for ratings...which he will do gladly....'pick me...pick me!

bt

I feel what I said was relevent, because many here not just those two posters, feel this adminstrations stance is we found WMD.

While the fact that we did find wmd might be true, it sure is not the Bush administrations position on it.

I also agree with you, Ari was cool, and Matthews looked like a whiny leftist that got his a$$ handed to him.

He had my vote

§ Shawn228...We AGREE!!

WOW...It was a Great SMACK DOWN!!

Listen for Mathews SNIFF and BLOW into the MIC while Ari was talking!!!  I watched it 2 times.

What do you think?

...If you can get the video...let me know.

Ster.

My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.

Advice

Take this to The Woodshed, shawn.   

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Lol Unsane

If you of all people think I am derailing the topic, I must really be out  of line ;-)

I am dropping it as of now,unless one of them brings it up k?

He had my vote

Whine

If you of all people think I am derailing the topic, I must really be out  of line ;-)  Yet another incessant whine that is borne primarily by your refusal to read/think critically.

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

§ BT!!! LOL!!

I'm Posting the Same thing!!

U type faster than me!!

Ster.

My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.

Evening Ster... Well,

Evening Ster...

Well, heck, I may try to get that job you want if I do that...lol.

Did you watch all of this today, like you usually catch?

If not, do so when you can.

§ BT...I watch NEWS all DAY!! Yeah...Need a Hobby.

I'm looking into Belly Button Lint Collecting.

I will make a Lint Statue of the Saint Obama.

Ster.

My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.

Spending

Noel, I just wanted to clarify Chris's spending beliefs as I see them. It stimulates the economy when a Democrat spends but if a Republican spends, it is harmful. Makes perfect sense, right?

fleisher

I am less stunned by tingle-up-my-leg's performance, as I am proud of Ari. This is his third (to my knowledge) appearance on MSNBC, and he performed stunningly well once again, calling TUML out personally time and time again. This is a spokesman for the  right who really needs to be seen all over the media spectrum.

I agree

MATTHEWS: What brings you back? Is this the return from Elba? Is this the 100 days of Napoleon`s return from Crawford? What is going on with this network of former Bushies -- current Bushies, I should say -- singing the old song?

FLEISCHER: Well, Chris, I`m here because you invited me to be here.

 

++++++++

 

Fleisher controlled from the first answer.   

Td... What tickled me was

Td...

What tickled me was when he said something like (paraphrasing) ....

..."Do you always have to interrupt your guests before we can answer?"

Priceless!

Matthew shut-up for a few..     ;-)

Prepare to unleash hell! We're going to war.

And it is about time. We have have waited 30 years.

 And now we face Ahmadinejad in Iran with no buffer in the region, no threat to his power, no counter-power to him. He`s all alone over there as a main threat to our country and to other countries in the region... 

 You heard it here folks. Yellow stain Matthews said it here. Said it now. Said it before the ENTIRE PLANET.

 Iran is the MAIN THREAT to our country.

 We are going in. This is Matthews war!

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

I watched the interview

I even read the transcripts and didn't see anything "Disgraceful" on Matthews' side of the interview.  What was disgusting was fleischer's attempt to re-write history, lie, obsfucate and propagandize the incompetent bush administration.  

 It's high time a 'Talking Head' called one of the bush propagandists on their moronic claim that "bush kept us safe....AFTER 9/11"!  

 As if the 3000 people murdered on bush's watch were little more than a little "whoopsie".  

 Had the bush people made terror a priority from the begining, they could have stopped the attacks.  Instead, they figured if Clinton was doing something, they would do the opposite.  And, in this case, they put terror on the back-burner.  in fact, cheney never even met with his terror team until AFTER we were hit.  

 But then, that was the bush administration, never where they were needed....

 

 

 

 

Terror on the back burner?

I suppose Bill Clinton had terror on the front burner when the FBI and CIA had Jamie Gorelick's wall of silence built between them.  IMHO, 9-11 happened on Clinton's watch.

What about the first WTC attack?

So I take it the first WTC attack happened on George H. W. Bush's watch?

Jer

Missing

The democratic underground is missing one of its idiots. 


Oh goody...another

Oh goody...another troll.

Golly gee Freeman, at least try to capitalize the first letter of bush if you didn't want to be so transparent.

Then again....I'm quite sure you did.

You would do well to read and learn from a user named Sterling here...he is the best.

Best of the luck to ya...heheheee.. 

The Freeman is a Single Dad

The Freeman is a Single Dad and a Photographer who hates bush.

§ Freeman...Cut and Paste Much??

I just read those talking points on....

...wait for it...

MediaMatters, ThinkProgress...and KOS.

How Do I Know??

I'm Registered on all 3.

Ster.

My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.

The Monday Morning QB

Sounds like Monday Morning QBing to me.

You know, freeman, we could have done something to stop the 9/11/01 terrorist attacks between 20 January 2001 and 10 September 2001.  BUT...

The resulting loss of civil liberties you would have had to suffer WOULD HAVE YOU SCREAMING BLOODY MURDER.  (Conspiracies of 20 people are a real PITA to break up.)  Let's face it.  Bush cannot win under ANY circumstances.   

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Unsane... It was a

Unsane...

It was a problem Clinton faced also.  When he pushed for legislation to enable the tracking of terrorist funding, Congressional Republicans [and some Democrats] blocked it on grounds it was too intrusive.

Jer

Intelligence informed us

Intelligence informed us long ago that the WTC attacks had been in the planning stages for FIVE YEARS. So, four years of setting the stage during the Clinton years followed by an attack in GW's first year. I suppose this means that EVERYTHING that happens on Obama's watch is Obama's baby. Stock market, unemployment, business collapsing, housing crisis....it's all yours Barry, its happening on your watch.

Check out the NB blogs and

Check out the NB blogs and threads.  Obama is already being blamed for it, and he's been in office less than two months.

Jer

Well, I'll speak for myself

I've been against the bailouts from the beginning, and I argued against them even when Bush was in charge. To be clear, when Bush announced the first TARP, he said that it goes against all of his principles. At which point, I screamed at the TV, "then don't do it!" The moment you agree to something that goes against your principles is the moment of surrender.

Allow me to recommend a philosopher named Jon Elster. I think he's at Columbia now. I read him a lot during grad school, because he's written a lot about the subject of rational choice. Anyway, in the past couple of years, Elster has become disenchanted with the whole notion of rational choice. People don't choose rationally, and Elster has begun to reflect on why.

I honestly believe that this entire economic crisis, and especially the muddled attempts to deal with it, validate everything Elster says. In some ways, I think Elster is the "John the Baptist" of collective rationality - or better yet, collective irrationality.

The slam against Obama is that he's handcuffing us to the Paulson approach, while he's spending trillions elsewhere. Little of it is rational. It's almost all being done, forgive the pun, based on hope.

Stock Markets and His Majesty The Shahinshah

While the stock market began to head south under Bush, it should be noted that it REALLY began to crash and burn under His Majesty The Shahinshah.

Once the investment community saw He was elected, it no longer was a selloff kicked off by the "credit crunch" and lower earnings.  Instead, they realized that He was to take office with a Congress populated with people who, like Him, have a deep, visceral, intense hatred for any human being who dares make a single penny above Per Capita Income.

So, when the producers, the investors, and entrepreneurs saw that the people voted in The Shahinshah, they immediately knew they would be targets.  How to de-target themselves?  Sell. 

In essence, the response to the rise of the Socialist Shahinshah on the stock market is a very simple one: "Screw it.  it's been fun.  Bye."  So yes, a good chunk of the stock market slide can be laid at the feet of His Majesty The Shahinshah. 

But then, He doesn't care about the stock market because it is not indicative of how the economy is going.  It is like a poll, He says.  And, He says, now is a good time to get in because of the profits to earnings ratio.  Whatever the hell that is.   

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

As if the 3000 people

As if the 3000 people murdered on bush's watch were little more than a little "whoopsie".

What a disgusting cretin you are. Why it's as if you wanted 3000 people murdered just so you could score a pathetic little "whoopsie."

Obama Amends The Constitution
Check out the poster @ Hollycrud checker-outers

~Ooh..look

New lib. A Loobie. Says he was in the Navy and he's a single dad. Hmmmm..

 

Hope and Change= Despair and Socialism

§ FLEISCHER SMOKED MATTHEWS. PERIOD.

We need Republican's on MSNBC that have GUTS. 

PAT and JOE???  That's IT!!

Ari is doing GREAT!!

Ster.

My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.

Ann Coulter

her book "Treason" addresses all of this.  Maybe Matthews should interview her next.  After he recovers from this beating, of course.

"MATTHEWS: Yes, but we were

"MATTHEWS: Yes, but we were attacked on your watch. If you start getting into who was attacked when, we suffered the worst domestic calamity in history on your watch. If you get into this whose watch was good, you guys blew it."

Let's see if Matthews is as "objective" as he claims.  I don't think he is, but if he is then he may want to question how much FDR knew about the attack on Pearl Harbor. 

Here is a website that questions how FDR let Admiral Kimmel take the heat, but claims FDR knew.  I'm not saying FDR knew, but if Matthews wants to be objective and give Fleisher a hard time, he had better realize some poeple think FDR knew about the attack on Pearl Harbor.

From the link below.

"The US had decoded Japanese radio message traffic informing of the impending attack. Admiral Kimmel has said he believes that those who knew of this message traffic knew a war with Japan was inevitable, and therefore chose to withhold it. He charges that those who knew included the president, his key cabinet officials, and the senior military leadership in Washington. He has further charged that these men did not tell the military commanders in Hawaii because they feared these commanders might take action to deter the attack."

 

"It is clear today that, among those responsible for the Japanese attack, first must be President Roosevelt himself. ."

http://www.talkingproud.us/HistoryKimmelShort.html

 

Then from the book review for Scapegoats: A Defense of Kimmel and Short at Pearl Harbor by Edward L. Beach

http://www.fff.org/freedom/1095g.asp

 

Then here is a website that I think looks at the myths about Pearl Harbor pretty well.

http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/myths/index.html

 

And from a document from that link.

"Page 161

 

clearly outlining the trends that were hastening us into war with Japan.

 

At approximately 10:00 o'clock p.m. on December 6, 1941, and more than

15 hours before the attack at Pearl Harbor, G-2 delivered to the office

of the War Plans Division and to the office of the Chief of Staff of the

Army information which indicated very emphatically that war with Japan

was a certainty and that the beginning of such was in the immediate

future.   The officers to whom this information was delivered were told

of its importance and impressed with the necessity of getting it into

the hands of those who could act, the Chief of Staff of the Army and

Chief of the War Plans Division.

 

On the following morning December 7 at about 8:30 a.m. other information

reached the office of G-2, vital in its nature and indicating an almost

immediate break in relations between the United States and Japan. 

Colonel Bratton, Chief, Far Eastern Section, G-2, attempted to reach the

Chief of Staff of the Army in order that he might be informed of the

receipt of this message.  He discovered that the General was horseback

riding.  Finally and at approximately 11:25 a.m. the Chief of Staff

reached his office and received this information.  General Miles, then

G-2 of War Department, appeared at about the same time.  A conference

was held between these two officers and General Gerow of the War Plans

Division who himself had come to the Office of the Chief of Staff. 

Those hours when Bratton was attempting to reach someone who could take

action in matters of this importance and the passing without effective

action having been taken prevented this critical information from

reaching General Short in time to be of value to him.

 

 

 

 

Page 162

 

About noon a message was hastily dispatched to overseas department

commanders including Short in the Hawaiian Department.  This message

which had been discussed elsewhere in this report, came into Short's

possession after the attack had been completed."

http://ibiblio.org/pha/pha/army/chap_3c.html#138

 

It appears the Americans had broken Japanese codes and knew an attack was coming, but I don't think they knew when or where. It appears Kimmel was made to be the scapegoat, and unfairly treated.

 

 

 

Carl... Thank you.

Carl...

Thank you.

Well it is on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04sLOdF6MWA

Please dont post any comments to the sensitive Chrissy fans.

I am sick to death of these partisan hacks playing word games.

  Matthews plays word games with a war we are still involved in. 4000 men & women haved payed the ultimate sacrifice in the war Matthews is using for political points.

  In the meantime, I have posted links to this video before back in October.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAW_yK1ZoEw

 I go to watch it again tonight and I see this posted in the comments.

this video was made by spc. jason bogar 2nd platoon chosen company. mostly made up of vids from 2nd plt chosen and battle company. he was one of 9 in second platoon chosen killed on july 13. miss you brother.

Here is an account of what happened.

http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=56237

 I am angry. I am tired. I am sick of people like Matthews using the war in Iraq & Afghanistan for political hit points.

 We put up with Saddam's crap for 11 years. Congress authorised the use of force in Oct 2002. He had another 5 months to bug out.

  We were right to go in. We were right to stay and leave something better. 4000 men and women did not sacrifice their lives for this country FOR A MISTAKE. Stop the political hack word games.

  We have one CinC that started the war in Afghanistan. Now we have a new CinC that is running it. His political affiliation does not matter. Only one thing matters. Finish the job and start using the word victory so Spc Bogars' death will mean something.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/dave-pierre/2008/10/19/lats-brooks-obamas-point-correct-saying-our-troops-just-air-raiding-kil#comment-751749

I abhor this type of

I abhor this type of "interview".  It reminds me of one of the blowhard charlatan O'Reilly's "the spin stops here" interrogations which consists of his talking over and bullying the guest.  His audience seems to approve however.

Jer

Gee Jer... Lets take it

Gee Jer...

Lets take it back to Matthews vs. Ari, where this thread belongs...how do you think Matthews audience rates this performance?

Well, bt...

I would hope as unfavorably as I did, but probably not.

Jer

Uh-Oh Jer...whoa

Uh-Oh Jer...whoa there...wait a second here...we agree!

....Something is wrong with this picture!!!

Good place as any to say nighty-night...early morning tomorow.

 

Bye, bye...baby

Bye, bye...baby doll.

Jer

Tingles' inappropriate behavior

Just more reason to hate Tingles.  NB did a piece on this, but y'all need a reminder, I suspect.

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

President Bush’s biggest

President Bush’s biggest mistake was allowing Ari Fleischer to slip away….. only to be replaced by Scott McClellan.

maggieq... YEP! You said

maggieq...

YEP!

You said a mouthful.

Let's be honest.  It was a

Let's be honest.  It was a lose/lose situation for Bush.  He loses if he chooses to battle the terrorists and the economy slips and he loses if he chose not to battle the terrorists and we were attacked again.  Bush did what he had to do an unfortunately, to keep the American people safe, he will have to take the heat forever.  Democrats would have blamed him either way.

 

GWB was a far more

GWB was a far more effective president than most have given him credit for.  People like Mattews love to point to Bush's low approval ratings, while the media and their Dem friends are mostly responsible for those ratings.  They misrepresented most of everything related to Bush.  They blamed a hurricane on him; they blamed 9/11 on him; they called him a liar without any evidence; and they created an image of the man that is simply not true. 

I will always contend that if GWB were a Democrat, and everything else remained identical--from the Iraq War to Katrina to tax cuts to 9/11--the Democrat version of Bush would have left office with relatively high approval ratings and the general respect of the media.  A Democrat Bush would never have been crucified for trying to keep the country safe and he would have never been questioned for "warrantless wiretapping" of terrorist calls.  Katrina would have been portrayed completely differently by the media; it would have been cast as just a horrible tragedy with little blame pointed at the president.  The media would have been cheering the strong economy for most of the decade and would have been more likely to direct the blame for the crash where it belongs.  A Democrat President Bush would have gone down as a fairly successful president overall.

GWB is classified as a "failure" because there is an "R" after his name.

 

The most successful war America has ever waged is quickly becoming President Obama's war on capitalism.

You nailed it my friend...

Thanks to the internet and talk radio we know the truth.  Hopefully, someday in the not too distant future, the MSM will return to reporting the news in a "fair and balanced" way and stop being a mouthpiece for the Democrat Party, but don't hold your breathe.  Jim Webster

Thanks for documenting this, but those who are regulars here

at NewsBusters are not surprised. The blog articles at NewsBusters are filled with Matthews' asinine behavior, as well as the other nuts at KOSMSNBC. Nevertheless, Matthews performance was disgraceful.

What is surprising is that reasonable people, such as Ari Fleischer, would continue to go on Matthews' show or on MSNBC for that matter. Matthews obnoxious behavior certainly should not have been a surprise to Ari Fleischer. 

This is the type of interview we can continue to expect from that network, whose executives have unfortunately and unwisely made the decision that since FoxNews has garnered the viewers on the right, center and moderate left, the only viewers remaining for them to cater to are those on the extreme fringe of the far left.

It seems that GE/NBC executives have taken a page from a quote attributed incorrectly to Horace Greeley and directed their employees to "Go Left Young Man (and Women), Go Left." Matthews behaved as repugnant as any far-left reporter would behave when interviewing, as Noel rightfully indicated, the enemy.  

The leftist blogs, such as the Huffington Post, are already celebrating this confrontation: "Among the notable whoppers: Fleischer claimed that Obama should thank his predecessor for "inherit[ing] a world without Saddam in it." They also celebrated Matthews interview with Fleischer back in May, 2008 when Scott McClellan the traitor's book was published.

As for Ari Fleischer, he is a tough cookie, and was able to parry Matthews attacks whenever he was able to get a word in. 

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Chrissy, Chrissy, Chrissy

That was the most difficult 16 minutes - ever!  

Listening to Matthews' under-the-breath sighs, grumblings, rumblings, and snickers was too much.  Seriously, this guy should seriously consider therapy and prescription medication.  Something is very, very wrong with this fellow.  He hears a clearly made statement, not more than twenty words in length, and spins it into something so completely devoid of the original thought, something so wildly unfamiliar and psychotic in rephrase, I am at a loss to understand how he calculates his mental manipulations.  Unless is it solely pure hatred speaking.

MATTHEWS: Yes, well, the way we judge success is what you left behind. The way we judge success in life is if you have a campfire as a Boy Scout and you say -- you`re told, Leave it better than when you found it. Did you leave the economy better than you found it?

From the Boston Globe:

Video (3:34)

Grim Proving Ground for Obama's Housing Policy

The candidate endorsed subsidies for private entrepreneurs to build low-income units. But, while he garnered support from developers, many projects in his former district have fallen into disrepair.

By Binyamin Appelbaum
Globe Staff / June 27, 2008

CHICAGO - The squat brick buildings of Grove Parc Plaza, in a dense neighborhood that Barack Obama represented for eight years as a state senator, hold 504 apartments subsidized by the federal government for people who can't afford to live anywhere else.

But it's not safe to live here.

About 99 of the units are vacant, many rendered uninhabitable by unfixed problems, such as collapsed roofs and fire damage. Mice scamper through the halls. Battered mailboxes hang open. Sewage backs up into kitchen sinks. In 2006, federal inspectors graded the condition of the complex an 11 on a 100-point scale - a score so bad the buildings now face demolition.

Grove Parc has become a symbol for some in Chicago of the broader failures of giving public subsidies to private companies to build and manage affordable housing - an approach strongly backed by Obama as the best replacement for public housing.

As a state senator, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee coauthored an Illinois law creating a new pool of tax credits for developers. As a US senator, he pressed for increased federal subsidies. And as a presidential candidate, he has campaigned on a promise to create an Affordable Housing Trust Fund that could give developers an estimated $500 million a year.

But a Globe review found that thousands of apartments across Chicago that had been built with local, state, and federal subsidies - including several hundred in Obama's former district - deteriorated so completely that they were no longer habitable.

Grove Parc and several other prominent failures were developed and managed by Obama's close friends and political supporters. Those people profited from the subsidies even as many of Obama's constituents suffered. Tenants lost their homes; surrounding neighborhoods were blighted.

Some of the residents of Grove Parc say they are angry that Obama did not notice their plight. The development straddles the boundary of Obama's state Senate district. Many of the tenants have been his constituents for more than a decade.

"No one should have to live like this, and no one did anything about it," said Cynthia Ashley, who has lived at Grove Parc since 1994.

[...].

Judge THAT, Matthews.  Judge THAT.  Your President left these neighborhoods inhabitable.  I'll repeat that for you, Chrissy, I could hear your heavy, disrespectful, under-your-breath rumblings of exasperation...  INHABITABLE.

So, using your standard, Chrissy Boy, Obama is a rife, complete, and utter failure.  How could you have possible voted for this loser to be Commander-in-Chief when he did, successfully, through his inane plans and projects, complete lack of economic acumen, and irrational need for personal glory drove these neighborhoods into the ground in less time than he will be in office (Obama will NEVER be reelected)?

Explain it, Chrissy.  We're waiting.

Thanks for the link, Bond.

Thanks for the link, Bond. The full article makes for very interesting reading. It's mind-boggling how BHO keeps getting away with waltzing from one failed endeavor to another. And no one in the MsM has bothered to delve into the miserable history of the Community Organize-In-Chief.

Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of the tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. - Ayn Rand

"MATTHEWS: Let me ask you

"MATTHEWS: Let me ask you this question as a partisan question. Suppose you knew that a Democratic president had...

FLEISCHER: What else do you ask?

MATTHEWS:
... had gotten a presidential memo, a daily presidential briefing that
said, al Qaeda to attack within the United States"

A democrat did....President Bill Clinton. The pdb in question that Bush received was virtually identical to one received by Clinton, in 1998 I believe, not to mention war being declared on this country by Osama with several attacks carried out against us before he left office.

 "MATTHEWS: ... Ahmadinejad, who doesn`t have a buffer in the region..."

Riiiiiight....Saddam was a buffer, but the most powerful military in the world being next door isn't. Gotcha, Chris. Although, technically, you're probably right now, with the new appeaser in chief as president.

And since when do democrats give a damn about spending?

Man, I despise this pig.....scratch that, that's an insult to pigs...I despise this...thing. I almost hope that he ods on insulin for his blatant dishonesty, and the damage he and his kind have done to this country.

Almost....

 

Inherited?

 

I inherited my dads looks, but do you see me taking a sledgehammer to my face every morning? No

"There is not in all America a more dangerous trait than the deification of mere smartness unaccompanied by any sense of moral responsibility."

Letting the Marines decide

Chris says "But isn`t there a lot of you out there -- I called them the "band of Bushies" -- who are out there trying to remind us of how good he really was?"

I want to repeat the link provided by DoktorFrankin in an ealier thread, showing how much the Marines loved President Bush. Does this answer your question, Chris?

Chris Mathews and MSNBC -- an Inconvenient Untruth.

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The challenge is to follow a consistent plan despite inconsistent prices - Sarah Palin, State of the State of Alaska speech

Chrissy Matthews

So! We don't think that way anymore! Nope! We'll just sit down with all our enemies and kiss their behinds! We'll beg them not to attack us and promise to be nice. We'll even pay them. I thought The Telepromter Messiah was a man of religion? Time and again in the Old Testament, God told his children to destroy his enemies. Chrissy has the audacity to ambush Ari and never let him finish a response! Where is "Give 'em Hell, Zell" when you need him? I remember Chrissy trying that nonsense with Zell Miller and losing! This just goes to show the determination of the left to hold a death grip on power in America. We need to be twice as determined to defeat them and we certainly cannot count on the RINOS to help. We have to purge our ranks of them as well. McCain's daughter is out there trashing Ann Coulter and expressing a desire to move the GOP to the center. Does she not know that that is precisely what her old man did? Ari Fleischer represents a danger to Chrissy and his pals because if given the chance, he will refute once and for all the lies perpitrated by the Communist left the last eight years. The only way Chrissy can do this is to interrupt and distort words.I have to admit, Ari didn't take much crap and eventually slugged it out with his female opponent. Perhaps thats why he held back in the beginning!

WOW!

Ari Fleischer is brilliant! This is one the best interviews I have seen in a long time. He absolutely destroyed Matthews.

Hey Chrissy Mat

And the American people are happier, too. They are, I can assure you. We don`t like that thinking anymore in this country.

 Are these the people you are talking about? 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

That beady-eyed little

That beady-eyed little piece of s*** should not assume that he speaks for me.  I am not happier that komrade obama is president and I hope he is impeached and removed from office before he screws things up more.  I think crissy would get his best ratings if he'd just go hug a suicide bomber.

 

obama's notion of bi-partisanship is telling conservatives to shut up and do what he wants.

It's surprising that Chris didn't wipe his nose on his sleeve

He was producing much more phlegm and spittle than usual.

ODE TO CHRIS or Eau d'Chris?

Chris Matthews will rarely make sense,
Perhaps 'cause his brain is too tense.
As he spews forth ridiculous gaffes,
He spits and he giggles and laughs.
His guests sit FAR back, in defense.

 

Ari was very fortunate that he was not in Chris' studio.

Can someone explain...

With the crappy ratings this guy gets and the fact that he has loss all journalistic responsibility, how he stays on the air?

I used to watch him to laugh at him, now I find myself bitter.  He is the poster child for a liberal.  Complete know it all who thinks he knows whats better for me...I hate democrats...I really do.

That is the type of response

all Republicans shoud be giving to these idiots.  Stop letting these partisan hacks control the discussion and twist the truth.  Good job by Ari

As Bernie Goldberg said,

As Bernie Goldberg said, Chris Matthews is just a Hooker for the left.  I think Bernie was being kind because Chris is actually a Whore.

Ari Fleischer should be named "Person of the Year".  I wish Ari would have been in the studio w/ that Creature.  I would have loved to have seen Fleischer punch him in the face.

What an A-hole Matthews is....and a Whore.

Look, Matthews is just

Look, Matthews is just trying to appease his audience; there's nothing stunning here.  He's a liberal and libs are, generally, classless and illogical.  Nobody in their right mind gives Matthews one ounce of credibility.  (When was the last time Matthews blamed anything on a Democrat?)  What is more astounding to me is that anyone from Bush's Administration would even go on this loser's show.  What is there to gain by trying to match wits with the witless? 

 

The most successful war America has ever waged is quickly becoming President Obama's war on capitalism.

Well,

It's "good" to see that journalists haven't really lost their "killer instinct". 

All that venom pointed towards Bush and anyone who would dare defend him while he was President has now been re-directed towards....Bush and anyone who would dare defend him and his legacy.

Because you know, you can't attack BHO because we are in the "new era" where Barrack "Must Succeed"..... 

Ari

Thank  you Ari for being a man in front of the boy... I have great respect for your ability in face of the Goat.

chrissys tingle down his leg

Hey chrissy, why is there a wet spot under your chair?? I guess tingles travel down hill when you pee yourself!!!!!!

 

The ratings are out for cable news...

and according to the Drudge Report, Fox as usual leads the pack.  Also rans include Maddow, Olbermann and Grace.  Funny, I don't see "Tingles" mentioned at all.  Wonder why?  Could it be because the only ones who watch his show are his friends, family, a handful of Drones and Monitors from NewsBusters?  Jim Webster

Chrissy Matthews=douchebag

Chrissy Matthews=douchebag

Chris Matthews should be exiled from the U.S.

I'd give anything for the opportunity to spit in Chris Matthew's piggy face. I have not forgotten that on Sept. 12, 2001 Pres. G.W. Bush promised America that defending our country from terrorism would be the primary focus of his administration. And he kept that promise. The fact that Matthews can't find even a scintilla of gratitude in his so-called heart, because he continues to be obsessed with destroying Pres. Bush, makes me furious that today in America someone can actually get payed for spewing what amounts to propaganda for the enemy.

Ari was great. It was delightful to see the periods of time that Matthews was obviously so taken aback that he could do nothing more than repeat the same talking points - as if he could cover up his stupidity by doing so.

Note to Chris Matthews: You don't speak for this American.

Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of the tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. - Ayn Rand

QM... That is exactly

QM...

That is exactly what I found so delicious....Matthews being silenced for a few seconds here and there, like you said, taken aback...it was a site to see, I loved it all...so glad I caught it live for a change, since I am just now being able to stand to watch these shows anymore...but when I saw it was Ari...in the words of Mark Levin...

....Boy Howdy!

This is twice Ari has cleaned his clock, with class.

You are right...he doesn't speak for this american either...the dems all say that....as if it is a given.

...NOT!

Creaton

Its one thing for Chris matthews to have a differnt view point, but when someone hears your viewpoint,as Chris heard Ari's, then openly and dishonestly distorts the viewpoint in front of Ari...not only is the person distorting shown to be a fool, but a dishonorable person. Im sure there are folks out there coming down on both sides of this interview, but here is something that is indisputable, if you were on the pro-Chris Matthews side, you had to check your ethics at the door to get there. Clearly Chris Matthews is a dishonorable citizen. We have all sorts of low lifes in our country (naturally)crooks, murderors, rapists, traitors and dishonorable creatons...they all deserve the same treatment from society, they should be locked up and shunned. Im embarrassed to say Chris Matthews is an American. Im even more embarrassed to KNOW, that a dishonorable person like Chris Matthews once, somehow served this nation in Government. We must keep these disgusting, self serving egotists out. I wont shed a tear the day this guy goes to meet his maker (which judging by his physical appearance wont be long), and you can be sure Chris will not try that crap on his maker..either way, this dude is toast...really skeevy kind of guy. Im surprised him and Olbermann dont get along..they are cut from the same filthy toilet paper.

Anyone who respects

Anyone who respects journalism should boycott Olberman and Mathews.  No conservative or republican should cry about how they are treated on that show. 

 

At least Olberaman knows he is a biased entertainer.  Mathews is toooooo stupid to know he is biased.

buddy: It's really rather

buddy: It's really rather curious that Fleischer got tapped for a Matthews interview. Ari has always been consistent and cool under fire. Matthews was clearly outwitted and made to look the fool. His closing comments amounted to nothing more than childish pique at having been soundly bested by a real professional.

Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of the tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. - Ayn Rand

1998 PDD [Clinton's] Bin Laden preparing to .. attacks in the US

Suppose - why suppose?

MATTHEWS:  Suppose you knew that a Democratic president had .. had gotten a presidential memo, a daily presidential briefing that said, al Qaeda to attack within the United States..

Suppose? We did Chris Matthews:

PDD received by Pres Clinton, Dec. 4th, 1998

Subject: Bin Laden preparing to ... attacks in the US

It says that in 1998, the plans were fully completed .. just on hold..

I don't remember any orange or red warning to the public.

What the Republican's can't do - Ari is doing great here - but the Bush administration just did not communicate needed history - and the MSM had no interest in it, anyway.

(;~/ gary 

 

Hi Gary... That is what I

Hi Gary...

That is what I found so frustrating with the Bush administration too...he needed to use the bully-pulpit more often and with vigor...he just never did it, when he did attempt to make a point on something very relevant to what was going on at the time, which was seldom...he always lacked the vigor needed, he was immediately ignored by the msm, they went on with their other stories if it was during the day...it was infuriating what the leftist got away with, and the msm complied...of course.

Hey bt.. indeed

..Ari does better here than any single member of the Bush admin. that I can remember.. but just the same.. rebuttals with the facts were so few and far between - that how could he even come up with them off the cuff. The country should know all this material - should have been fully disclosed and openly discussed by all. Read my next one -- on the "nuclur" threat ... hee hee. gary

Gary... You have no idea

Gary...

You have no idea how much I wished Ari was running the RNC...since he isn't, I hope he runs for something!

We need him!

This is the second time now I have had the luck to catch him live creaming people with such class it has been a thing of beauty to behold...since it is such a rarity from the repub side of the aisle...unfortunately.

Now I am on to your other post...   ;-)

The sad Matthews case

I don't understand what Matthews has done to himself in a career sense. At one time, maybe twelve or fifteen years ago, he was widely respected as a journalist. He could have taken over as news anchor when someone like Dan Rather retired. He was as respected as Russert. Now he's just a clown, not much different from any of the current crop of political-comedians. Doesn't he have a mentor, or a father, or a media-connected wife that could have straightened him out? It's sad in a way.

Iraq - the nuclear threat.. so says the Democrats

MATTHEWS: Even though you corrected the record afterwards and said that they made a dishonest argument that we faced a nuclear threat.

The short of this, is that the Bush administration made no more of a hyped up call over the "nuclear" threat from Saddam, than did the Clinton administration - but as Noel says - I digress. Hee hee.

Let's roll the tape - from Hardball - right in front of your face, Chris Matthews, and.. some heavy hitters still believed it

Nov. 7, 2005 Senator Carl Levin (D) of Michigan, a member of the Intelligence Committee

- look there was plenty of evidence that Saddam had nuclear weapons, by the way.  That is not in dispute.  There is plenty of evidence of that.

And what did you do Matthews? Change the subject..

Clinton admin. ..to kill everyone on Earth..

FLEISCHER: Chris, we always said that we didn`t want to let a smoking gun turn into a mushroom cloud.

MATTHEWS: What did that mean?

Ask Bill Clinton, Chris: 

Pres. Clinton in 1998

"Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors. Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world. Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms..

The more I read that, I begin to suspect that President Bush may have actually plagiarized Bill Clinton - now there is something Bush could be charged with!

How about ole Al?

-- Al Gore, Dec. 16, 1998  --"If you allow someone like Saddam Hussein to get nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, chemical weapons, biological weapons, how many people is he going to kill with such weapons? He's already demonstrated a willingness to use these weapons. He poison-gassed his own people. He used poison gas and other weapons of mass destruction against his neighbors. This man has no compunction about killing lots and lots of people."

Just saying...

And the almost man, Sec. Bill Richardson (Energy secretaries - they know about this sort of thing)?

Gov. Bill Richardson (D-NM):  "The Threat Of Nuclear Proliferation Is One Of The Big Challenges That We Have Now, Especially By States That Have Nuclear Weapons, Outlaw States Like Iraq." (ABC's "Good Morning America," 5/29/98)

Besides who cares about the potential of nukes, when they already have the ability to kill every human being on earth:

Defense Secretary William S. Cohen November 25, 1997:Cohen details threats posed by Baghdad ..Iraq has secretly stockpiled enough deadly poison gas to kill everyone on Earth despite nearly seven years of international inspections..

Sure sounds like the time for diplomacy and inspections was coming to an end, does it not? gary 

Gary... Your post says it

Gary...

Your post says it all...word for word. 

Oh my, the hypocrisy runs deep....the river of filthy sludge is never-ending with the left.

What Matthews (and Fleischer) are forgetting...

...is the fact that Iraq WAS NOT a WMD-free zone.  Investors Business Daily did an editorial last July discussing how 550 metric tons of Yellowcake Uranium had been shipped to Canada for disposal.  Before that, FOX did a piece in 2006 in which Fmr. Sen. Santorum of PA released de-classified information which discussed 500 chemical weapons containing sarin nerve agent.  If those are not WMD, I don't know what is.  Why has NOBODY called the anti-Bush crowd out on this?