Lib Talker: 'Maybe Limbaugh Should Be Executed For Treason'

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On Tuesday, liberal talk radio host Stephanie Miller called Rush Limbaugh's now well-publicized statement about wanting Barack Obama to fail "treasonous," and wondered if he should be executed for saying such a thing.

Miller made this rather provocative comment on CNN's "Larry King Live," and oddly nobody batted an eye or seemed at all put off by it.

Not surprisingly, the topic of discussion between King and his guests -- which other than Miller included the Huffington Post's Arianna Huffington, conservative talk radio host Lars Larson, and GOP strategist Nancy Pfotenhauer -- was all the brouhaha surrounding Limbaugh (video embedded below the fold with partial transcript, relevant section at 1:25, h/t NB reader David Wells):

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LARRY KING, HOST: Nancy, what do you make of hoping for failure. Supposing it worked, and there were maybe some socialistic inclines, but more people went to work and more people had health care? Why would that be bad?

NANCY PFOTENHAUER, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: Well, I think the point is that Rush -- and I agree with him wholeheartedly on this -- believes these policies are antithetical to the American dream, and absolutely the wrong direction for the economy. I would be delighted to challenge the other two panelists on this one. What he has put together in the so-called stimulus package is an embarrassment. You had Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid writing the bill. You've put in 46 billion for 15 programs that OMB already declared ineffective. You have 300 million dollars going for golf carts, for heavens sake. Then turns around and, in a downturn economy, and advocates a tax increase. At the same time, he is making protectionist noises. This is a nasty economic cocktail, and it is going to hurt the American people. And I think that's what Rush Limbaugh has been trying to underscore. And he is exactly right.

KING: If he fails, Stephanie, that will be good?

STEPHANIE MILLER, LIBERAL TALK RADIO HOST: I guess that is what Nancy and her friends want. As long as you have a place to listen Rush on the radio -- if he fails we all fail.

KING: If his policies fail, he fails, right?

MILLER: Exactly. To me that seems treasonous. [...]

KING: Nancy, the problem with all this is does it bring discord? Does it take away from real issues when we get into basically personality stories?

PFOTENHAUER: You know, I think it is a distraction. And I think that's why the Democrats love it and they want to keep it going. I think the Republicans will turn the page, move on, and start really spending their time doing what they should be doing, which is articulating solutions to the problems that we're facing. And, frankly -- and pointing out how what Obama is advocating, the Obama administration is advocating, these aren't new ideas. They have been tried and they have been tried several times and failed. You can point to places like Germany and France that have done almost exactly what the Obama administration is advocating. What you see there is a third lower quality of life. You see lower economic growth. You see higher taxes and you see higher unemployment. So, it's not a recipe for success. It is a recipe for mediocrity at best. That's why Republicans have to step forward and articulate their solutions.

MILLER: You are right, we should stick to the same policies that got us where we are now. I agree with you.

PFOTENHAUER: I think there need to be real changes.

KING: You criticized the Bush policy?

PFOTENHAUER: I did on the record at the time.

MILLER: Nancy, you are right about one thing. We love this episode of Republican. It's delightful and it's not solving any of the serious problems that the country is facing. You know who is it good for? Rush Limbaugh. He loves this attention.

If I could say something tonight that gets me that kind of attention, like maybe Rush Limbaugh should be executed for treason. How about that?

Well, if Miller was saying this to get attention, let's hope her wish comes true.

Regardless, isn't it interesting that nobody seemed shocked by this comment? King completely ignored it and moved on: "Lars, it is true that any kind of -- Rush is a personality -- is enjoying this, isn't he?"

Imagine that.

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Air heads...!

Air heads...!

Of course a liberal would offer execution

as a way of dealing with a talk show host who has the gall to suggest that the Obamameister's plans will hurt the country but no doubt she'd object to someone proposing that all the GITMO prisoners should just be taken out and shot.

This is a test, this is only a test.....

Of the moron Identification Station.....

 Looks like the brain trust here at NewsButtheads have really passed the test.

Miller said; "I wish I could say something controversial that would increase my ratings like....  MAYBE limbaugh should be executed for treason".  

 

Only the pinheads on the right would get all riled up over a non-statement such as this.  But, here you are, more than a week after the joke, STILL whining about it.  

 Either you people lack any real understanding of irony, or you really need to go back to finish your Jr High School educations.  

 

 

 

seems you

self-identify

 

Who are you to tell a successful and consistently interesting satirist what he should or shouldn't do in order to get across the point he's trying to make?

hey Shawn!!!

what do you say ---- troll or no?

 

Who are you to tell a successful and consistently interesting satirist what he should or shouldn't do in order to get across the point he's trying to make?

botg... Sorry for butting

botg...

Sorry for butting in here, but I gotta give my two cents. This one is no troll, simply an asshole. But I call him an asshole with the utmost respect for assholes.

Obama Communism Part 2.

 

 Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/  

CT

no problem i was asking Shawn since he seemed to disagree with BT on her assessment of Icarus

but i must add that the two descriptors (troll and AH) are not exclusive

 

Who are you to tell a successful and consistently interesting satirist what he should or shouldn't do in order to get across the point he's trying to make?

bruce

Yes I would, in the most unfortunate way

He had my vote

i thought you might Shawn

time for sleep

goodnight

 

Who are you to tell a successful and consistently interesting satirist what he should or shouldn't do in order to get across the point he's trying to make?

TF... The real question

TF...

The real question is why are you going back in time here?

Hmmm?

Inquiring minds want to know....after-all, you are below somebody who posted on the 5th..my birthday in fact...and I for one want to put that behind me....lol!

You are  getting to be a regular riot though with your comments...

Troll on...

Worry not...shawn will ask me why I would use that term for you.

Shawn...in case you are even thinking of it...the answer is...

Experience...Intuition...you'd have to be blind not to see that if you have seen any of TF's other posts to-boot.  

Only the pinheads on the

Only the pinheads on the right would get all riled up over a non-statement such as this.  

Really?  And I suppose you "geniuses" on the left proportionally reacted when Ann Coulter "called" John Edwards a "f***ot".

But, here you are, more than a week after the joke, STILL whining about it.  

 Either you people lack any real understanding of irony, or you really need to go back to finish your Jr High School educations.

Actually, dummy, if you were paying attention, you'd have noticed that she posted that comment more than a week ago.  Seems to me that you're the whiner without any grasp of irony.

 

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill

the audacity of our

the audacity of our America-hating democrats

we've had the hangman's noose all set up and ready to go since the buildup of the Iraq war my lefty scum friends - and the line starts here at dear old NB- whenever you get a conscience...

If we were to begin

If we were to begin executing people for treason - Ruch Limbaugh would be far to the rear of the entire New york Times staff in the line of priorities for the noose.  Pinchy Sulzberger would be first in line....

To even suggest executing a

To even suggest executing a citizen on the public airwaves is  extraordinarily dangerous "talk". It ought to be considered as a serious legal matter. This is beneath contempt.

The Government cannot give to anybody anything which the government does not first take from somebody else. Dr. Adrian Rogers

I am offended by her

I am offended by her comments, and I feel that it's racist! I demand an immediate investigation! Oh wait, only they can say that. What if we just started doing that EVERY SINGLE TIME?  Using the absurd to illustrate absurdity. Rush is fond of that, says it all the time. Anyone think that the libs would get the message? Me neither.

Cal, I know what you mean.

Cal, I know what you mean. It's not a fair playing field because the Old Media won't let it be fair. And, no, for sure, the libs would never get the message, They are too far gone.

The Government cannot give to anybody anything which the government does not first take from somebody else. Dr. Adrian Rogers

celator...

 "To even suggest executing a citizen on the public airwaves is  extraordinarily dangerous "talk"."

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I'm glad you mentioned that.  If Rush said that on the air about a liberal, oh Good Lord, can you imagine the fallout?  This was a serious comment, not to be taken lightly or slushed-off.  But this is where it will start:  Small, off-the-cuff comments, here and there, remaining unreported by the MSM.  And then, one day, well...the brownshirts will come, and that's that. 

 

You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.”  -Winston Churchill.

F**K Socialism. -Me.

 

I'm no lawyer, but what

I'm no lawyer, but what Miller said could be construed as inciteful, it would seem to me. Very irresponsible. 

The Government cannot give to anybody anything which the government does not first take from somebody else. Dr. Adrian Rogers

There it is

 "She crossed the line!"

I've seen it here:

Poster 1: A

Poster 2: I think its B

 Poster 1: That because you are a homosexual.

Poster 2 : I'm not a homosexual,  I just think its B!

Poster 1: You like B because its in homosexual

Poster 2: Er, there's no B in homosexual

Poster 1: Ha! Caught you! You would know whats in a homosexual!

Poster 2: You're an idiot

Poster 1: you've crossed the line there bub! I' m getting you banned!

And so it goes - on and on and on...

Beware of a crazy woman throwing a hash pipe.

And the next post should be

 Let me save you the trouble

" Quit whining"

Beware of a crazy woman throwing a hash pipe.

~Fighting with yourself, shawnee?

That's hilarious. Let me know when the pillow fight starts, I'm gonna go make popcorn.

 

Hope and Change= Despair and Socialism

"Shawnee"

  I actually did laugh out loud at the "Quit whining" part.  :o)

~My guess is

He's fighting with BT's cyberghost.

 

Hope and Change= Despair and Socialism

Cyberghost

  I have one of those.  It sneaks online when I am busy and posts things multiple times.  Once it was REALLY restless and, well... you remember. 

Welcome back, straw

Welcome back, straw man.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill

Nwahs: I have civilily

Nwahs:

I have civilily engaged your posts previously, but you have run complaining that I offended you.

So, I guess it is a waste of time debating an issue?

How Did Miller Drift to the Left?

Just curious-Miller's Dad was rather conservative, after all he was Barry Goldwater's running mate in 1964. How did she end up falling so far from the tree?

Probably alienation of

Probably alienation of affections.  I've known of Stephanie Miller since her KFI days in the early/mid 1990s.  They used to run an ad promoting her show where she claimed to be a feminist who would still probably "do you".  She likes to drop those little shock statements because she's starved for attention (she even admits it in this piece).

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill

like all fascists -

like all fascists - indoctrination

my guess is our public "school" system

Miller, Miller, Miller...

 "It's delightful and it's not solving any of the serious problems that the country is facing."

Hello, kettle?  Yeah, this is pot.  Um, I just wanted to call and tell you that you are indeed black.  Yes.  Black, I said.  That's right.  Have a good day.

So,...at what point, exactly, have the liberal Democrats solved any fricking problem our nation is facing right now, other than to manipulate, lie, coerce, whine, panic, cajole, and throw money we don't have at all of our problems, which started when the sub-prime mortgage crisis hit us thanks to Clinton?

It is YOU, you deluded simpleton weak-willed and morally bankrupt liberals who haven't done sh*t to solve our problems.  Let me assure you, New Camelot is a rotting kingdom, your King is a fraud, your representatives are laughably incompetent cannon-fodder, and America is waking up.

Behave yourselves, liberal puppets, before you get a well-deserved smack upside your heads.  There are yet Americans in this great country of ours who see the Big Picture, and are not brainwashed, and who retain the fiery principles of patriotism established so long ago when we rebelled against another King.

 

F**K Socialism.

She's just jealous she

She's just jealous she doesn't have a fraction of the listeners Rush does. She's doing it for publicity.

The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy

WOW!  Libtard/Communists

WOW!  Libtard/Communists sure are intolerant crybabies.

Dissent is a one-way street

Notice how they all employ/advocate the same tactics that they accused President Bush of using.

 

poor steph - shoe's on the

poor steph - shoe's on the bitch's other foot:)

would be more than happy to talk DEATH PENALTY TREASON with ya stephtard

stew in your own sh*t for a long while ya pondscum F'n C

Ever notice

Dumbasses like Miller never seem to mention that congress is in charge of appropriating funds, not the President. Who's been in charge of congress since 2006? Their stupidity is mind boggling.

 

Better to be thought stupid and keep quiet than to open your mouth and remove all doubt!

Dimwitted logic

Let's see now, hmmmmm

Waterboarding terrorists captured on the battlefield -- evil, evil, evil

Calling the president's policies wrong -- evil, evil, evil

Imprisoning the waterboarders -- good, good, good

Executing the person who doesn't agree with the presidents policies -- good, good, good

Are dims dimwitted, or what?

___________________________________ 

The challenge is to follow a consistent plan despite inconsistent prices - Sarah Palin, State of the State of Alaska speech

Just remember,

within the chest of a "progressive" beats the heart of a bloodthirsty despot, yearning for unbridled power.

Agreed, Paul...

" ...within the chest of a "progressive" beats the heart of a bloodthirsty despot, yearning for unbridled power."

-------------------------------

That right there is a perfect example of someone seeing The Big Picture.  This is about power, control, and establishing a Socialist legacy designed to oppresss American generations to come.  Conservatives, pay attention.  Don't underestimate the drive and ambition of these liberals.  Right now they have their backs to the wall, and will fight, bite, claw, spit, and scream.  This is not going to be pretty.

You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.”  -Winston Churchill.

F**K Socialism. -Me.

 

They had better be careful

they are about to wake up a sleeping giant and they do live on the coasts and we know to where the herd of swine ran once the Legion left.

Liberal = Tyrannical

The liberal heart is tyrannical in its very essence. Tyrants always resort to violence against opposition. Just look at how the rhetoric continues to escalate around liberal causes...global warming, social programs, support for "the one", etc. etc. Just look at how much venom is being poured out against conservatives (especially the so-called "religious right") every day by the MSM and leftist politicians. If there is one thing that history teaches it is that when people of this ilk no longer feel threatened by an opposing force, they will do horrible violence against any remaining opposition.

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." Acts 16:31

RUSH is my HERO and I would defend him with my LIFE! ...

... So if anything happens to Rush.  Watch out for ME whoever you are!

That's funny...

...Stephanie, I was thinking the same thing about our current administration.

Clueless Communists

Stephanie Miller actually should be the one tried for treason and executed for spewing anti-American b.s.....

These libtards have no idea how far away from the founder's principles(unless you consider Karl Marx a founding father)they have really gone. You heard them say over and over how Bush "destroyed" the Constitution. At the same time you never hear them claim how Constitutionally oriented they are. Everything under the liberal sun is against the 10th amendment. The Democrat/Socialist/Communist Party is in violation of everything the founding fathers set up. I don't remember Thomas Jefferson writing about the "common good" or income redistribution...

While we're at it

So if what you say is grounds for treason, what should the punishment be for the elected officials who were constantly attempting to demoralize the troops by saying the war in Iraq was lost, accusing them of being war criminals and giving aid and comfort to dictatorial regimes whose stated aim is to destroy the United States?

Or the MSM including

fishwraps and talking heads, alike, that have constantly reported on  activities that end up jeopardizing the troops an/or operatives in harm's way.

"All generalizations are false, including this one.” Mark Twain

Rush execution

I agree with Ms. Miller but let's get in line. Let's execute Rush immediately after we execute Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Dick Durbin, Rahm Emanuel, Hillary Clinton, and first and foremost George Soros. It seems to be, a lowly member of "we the people" that if what the Messiah, B. Hussein Obama, says is true and we are in dire financial straits in this country, why are he and is ilk attacking private citizens and using taxpayer dollars to do it? Let's face it, the voice of the president George Soros, who bought and paid for Barry, is calling the shots. I assert that affirmative action, on the job training is absurd for the president of the Peoples Republic of America and that Obama be recalled. I  further assert tht the financial difficulties we are now facing began on 01/22/2006 when control of congress was seized by the left. They will not be able to blame Bush much longer as the stock market slides into oblivian. REMEMBER THE COLE - IMPEACH OBAMA.

When did the Democrats get

When did the Democrats get mad when everyone said that the surge was a failure...Where are the executions for these treason remarks.. When we are at war and they talk like that that is treason when you talk about a policy to fails thats wishful thinking...

rush away

Rush needs to back off, keep analysing the news and let these moron dig their own political graves.  If any of you "busters" happen to know him could you tell him to take a chill pill (probably the wrong analogy) and stop trying to be our leader. He is focusing the publicity on himself and Obama is getting a free pass on his socializing programs.  Rush is way too polarizing.  Thanks.

Yeah, someone will be sure

Yeah, someone will be sure to tell Rush Limbaugh that "soosan" thinks he's too "polarizing".  I'm sure he'll have many sleepless nights over it, too.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill

fitzfong

  You said what I was trying to figure out how to say... Mine went something like this:

Yes, I will tell him the next time I have lunch with him.  I am sure he will realize it is something he hadn't thought of.

The Truth: Dims and Propagandist Media are Scared

The Republican party is swinging back to its conservative roots and the Dims and the propagandist media are none too happy about it. Every time the Republican party does this it leads to landslide victories.  Think Ronald Reagan in the 80's or the contract with America in the 90's.  That is why we are hearing all kinds of kicking and screaming from them about Rush lately.  If the propagandist media is angry about what the Republicans are doing then it is a good bet that the Republicans are doing the right thing.

Ok Ms. Miller, and just what ...

Ok Ms. Miller, and just what act of treason did Rush Limbaugh commit? Seems to me that the liberals, that kept after Bush, releasing sensitive or even classified information should have been brought up on charges of treason. But hey, you wouldn't even think of going after your liberal friends, would you? Ah, another example of double standards.

Won't these people ever shut up?

Remember folks, Freedom isn't Free. It was bought with the blood and sacrifice of the men and women who are serving and who have served in the U.S. Armed Forces.

For those who fought for it, Freedom has a flavor that the protected will never know.

Also remember folks, that the way to SUPPORT THE TROOPS is to support their mission. Anyone who says that they support the troops but don't support their mission is lying about supporting the troops. And if you want to know, yes I do have a dog in the fight, he is a United States Marine.

 

Why hasn't Stephanie been executed

for the way she talked about GW Bush, the last President?  Maybe along with her buddies Randi Rhodes and Franken.  Just like the way that Geithner exempts himself from paying his fair share of taxes, Stephanie thinks execution is fine now that the shoe is on the other foot and someone is criticizing the mighty BO.  Are all liberal fools, or is it just the stupid ones can't keep their mouths shut? 

"What experience and history teach is this - that people and governments never have learned anything from history, or acted on principles deduced from it."
G. W. F. Hegel

You have to be kidding me

all the complete CRAP you spewed for 8 years while Bush was in office, and you, you, you want to try Rush for treason?!! 

wow.

POC human being.  Your day is coming, and I hope I am here to see it!!

DISSENT IS PATRIOTISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wasn't it?

I have only ever made one prayer to God, a very short one: O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous. And God granted it - Voltaire

Arianna is Lisa Douglas on GreenAcres

"New York is where I'd rahther stay,

I get allergic smelling hay,

I just adore a penthouse view,

Dahling I love you but give me Park Avenue."

Who the hell is Stephanie Miller? Amounts to a gnat on an elephants butt!

Lisa Douglas says...

Ah-Li-Vah!

Media Double Standard Once Again

Rush, a talk show host, says he wants Obama to fail.  The propagandist media goes bananas, twisting his comments, saying that Rush wants America to fail.

Miller, a liberal talk show host, says that people who disagree with her, like Rush Limbaugh, should be executed.  The propagandist media look the other way.

Calling for the death of conservatives seems to be on the rise from the left ever since Obama won the election.  I guess it's time to buy a shot gun and stock up on ammo so I can protect myself from these intolerant monsters.

MILLER SLIME...

Stephanie Miller is doing what all liberals/progressives have being doing, talking tough to "enemies" who are no real threat to them, rather then taking a stand against real enemies who pose a real threat to America. Why go not go after Bush, Cheney, Rush, Wal-Mart, & "Big Oil"? They won't do anything to avenge what is being done. It beats going after radical islamists, gang-banging criminals, whatever, these are people who very well might come after you if you take pot shots at them. Miller is just doing what all lefties do.

 

"The Fairness Doctrine = Jim Crow laws for Conservatives".  Jim Quinn from "Quinn & Rose"

A blast from the past:

Ellen Ratner on Cavuto: "I hope he [Bush] screws up the war so he isn't re-elected".[Vanity]
12/28/02 | Me 

Posted on 12/27/2002 2:15:05 PM by antaresequity

Helen Ratner, Your World with Brenda Buttner sitting in for Niel Cavuto: 

Butner Q: What do you hope happens? [with the war in Iraq] 

With a sadistically cheerful attitude, Ratner responded to Butner...

Ratner A: "I hope he[Bush] messes it up, so he isn't re-elected. 

Butner Amazed Q: What!... 

Ratner A: Begins weak back peddaling effort..

 

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/813088/posts 

Remember that to Democrats,

Remember that to Democrats, everything is relative.  Law?  It's relative to the situation.  So killing unborn children is okay but sending troops to a war where fewer troops die per year than do unborn children per year is wrong.  Money?  Well that's wrong if you're a entrepenuer but okay if you're a corrupt government official wanting to sell a senate seat.  Treason?  Well, treason is relative to the situation, not law, which we already dispelled earlier.  Thus if someone should express that he or she wants a certain prominent official's policies to fail, we can scream "Treason! Treason! Treason!" and demand sift justice (minus the court hearings and the presenting of substantial evidence) regardless of the constitutional definition of treason.  Yet these same people who shout "Treason! Treason! Treason!" can host HBO talk shows where they call for death upon the Republicans or public execution of "religious fanatics".  Remember, my good friends, it's all relative.

proving once again

Without double standards they have no standards at all. 

Tut-tut

I don't think you folks should be insulating Arianna; she's actually a member of the Hungarian Royal Family and that should be respected.

Treason

Jessie R. Hamby      I charge congress with treason. They are the ones who started the downfall. Barney Frank, for one, is the big rat in this.

Hanged....

Another liberal broad who should be hanged to prevent reproduction and the spread of stupidity.

 

Old, Retired and glad of it.

Unknown

Never heard of her.

Oh Stephanie...you will

Oh Stephanie...you will never ever be anywhere close to the numbers Rush has, nor receive any unearned attention....what happened to the leftist loving party...why they are supposed to be kind, gentle spirits, always helping their fellow man,...blah blah blah....

treason

 

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trea·son

   (trzn)
KEY
 

NOUN:

  1. Violation of allegiance toward one's country or
    sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war
    against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
  2. A betrayal of trust or confidence.

 

sounds a lot like what this Administration is doing

Hey, Miller!...

Let me drop a genuine traitor and treasonous wench on you...Jane Fonda!  There are plenty more..how about the "Rev." Jessie Jackson...how is it that there's always a double standard or should I say a sliding standard for the slimy spineless slugs who call themselves Democrats? 

The best response by Jay Nordlinger

 For eight years, we heard nothing but “Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.” Those who did the most to block or undermine President Bush were exalted as the Great Americans, and People. But dare oppose The One (i.e., our 44th president) — and you’re one of the lowest life forms.

Well, nuts to that.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NWYyNjBhNWU2NzQ5ZWNhZThmZGYxY2ZiYmEwNjViMmM=

Well put Jay.  Well put.

"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot

Sometimes when you seek attention you get more than you asked

for. Take for example neo-conservative pro-abortion (first trimester) journalist and author David Frum, President George W. Bush's former speechwriter, who wants to change conservatism to bring more people into the Republican Party.

He wrote an article that described Rush Limbaugh this way:

"With his private plane and his cigars, his history of drug dependency
and his personal bulk, not to mention his tangled marital history, Rush
is a walking stereotype of self-indulgence – exactly the image that
Barack Obama most wants to affix to our philosophy and our party. And
we’re cooperating!"

BIG MISTAKE! Nationally syndicated radio host and author Mark Levin happens to be a friend of Rush Limbaugh, and he lambasted David Frum on his radio show. Frum, a Yale graduate as well as a Harvard Law School graduate, decided to go on Mark Levin's show yesterday (Wednesday, March 4) and debate him.

BIG MISTAKE! Mark Levin tore David Frum up one side and down the other. Here is the audio of that trouncing.

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"We can get women, we can get everybody with a set of core principles that we do not abandon that benefit everybody, regardless the damned color of their skin or their gender!" ~ Rush Limbaugh

Hey RF... Thanks for that

Hey RF...

Thanks for that link...I just happened to miss that segment yesterday, someone else here and I were talking about this regarding Frum, and he putting on his son first...then him calling back...I am looking forward to hearing this after a bit.

Frum's a douche!

Ooooooh, that soundbite made me MAD!!!!!!

Who the hell does Frum think he is?!!!! He's no conservative. He's a spineless wonder and Levin called him on it.

I'm tired of this old party, new party BS. Does Frum realize the Dems have NOT changed their party?!!! Obama is doing exactly what Mondale would have done in 1985 if he beat Reagan!

It's time to show people like Frum the f-ing door and tell them start your own limpwristed party and leave ours alone!

Frum is an ideological

Frum is an ideological coward.  He's so impressed with packaging, language manipulation and phony focus group data that he's lost interest in the product these techniques are designed to promote.  The Democrats won the White House and increased majorities in Congress by marketing socialism as middle class populism.  But lacking the rhetorical abilities to promote conservatism as middle class populism, Frum takes the lazy man's approach...change the product (conservatism) to meet market demand.  Frum, Brooks and Kristol are intellectual lightweights...if they were asked to market Coke, they'd say "make it more like Pepsi".  

 "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill

When the next revolution

When the next revolution takes place (and I hope it is very soon) and it comes time to strap WW II surplus parachutes on the freedom-haters and load them into the planes for the trip over North Korea, Stephanie Miller should be tossed head-first into the cargo hold, right between Bawney Fwank and Keith Olbermann.

-Dave

Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.

LARS just sat there

That is very unlike Lars, he usually picks up on that type of stuff. He must be working too many hours.......

"Government is like a
baby:   An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of
responsibility at the other."

- Ronald Reagan

Of the treasonous names

I have on my list for lynching Rush ain’t one of them.

Thanks for the Mark Levin links R F,  Mr. Frum sounds like he has a crush on obama I think he qualifies as an obamaite as defined at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8 

I can see why the article made Mark mad as he read it’s just sickening brown nosing to the max.

R D

I like your idea about the plane too but a poster at townhall suggested this a few weeks back and in her plan all of them were thrown out of the plane without parachutes.

RD King... Hi...I don't

RD King...

Hi...I don't know if you know this, but if you want when you are replying to RD Helm for example, you can just click the reply button under his post, make your comment and your comment will automatically go underneath his comment...if you are following what I mean here...

Hope I'm not confusing you.  ;-)

RD,

LOL-Yeah, but that wouldn't allow them to enjoy life under North Korea's Dear Leader.

Of course, I figure a rather high percentage of those old chutes will fail, anyway.

-Dave

Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.

Liberals are so intolerant

Liberals are so intolerant of opposing ideas.  You will never hear a conservative advocate the killing of anybody unless maybe it is a child-molestor, a rapist or a serial killer.  But keep your ears open and you will find that liberals are very angry, violent, irrational people.

I've often stated

I've often stated how civil the people here are during disagreements.

Even the poster who challenged me to a duel with pistols ( did happen!), I knew he was civil and would aim for a leg or arm.

Beware of a crazy woman throwing a hash pipe.

I wrote this clown a

I wrote this clown a letter.  How can these people continue to describe themselves as Americans?!

Golf Carts!

Nancy Pfotenhauer said, "Golf carts. They're spending 300 million dollars on golf carts."

Not true, according to FactCheck.org. "It's not true that the bill contains spending for 'golf carts.' It has $300 million to buy fuel-efficient vehicles, some of which may be electric cart-like utility vehicles like those already in use on military bases and at other government facilities."

Source: http://www.factcheck.org/politics/gop_stimulus

So instead of wasting $300

So instead of wasting $300 million of taxpayer's money on a slush fund for golf carts, the federal government is only going to be wasting that taxpayer money on a slush fund that might include golf carts.  Oh, OK.  I feel better now.  Thanks a lot. 

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill

The actual text of the bill is ...

American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009: For capital expenditures and necessary expenses of acquiring motor vehicles with higher fuel economy, including: hybrid vehicles; electric vehicles; and commercially-available, plug-in hybrid vehicles, $300,000,000, to remain available until September 30, 2011.

The "golf cart" accusation probably comes from so-called neighborhood electric vehicles (NEVs), which have been called "stream-lined golf carts". The nickname comes from the fact that some of them resemble golf carts, while others are larger and resemble small cars. They're nothing new to the U.S. government. The Army leases them because they cost a lot less to operate than gas-powered vehicles.

 

A rose by any other name is

A rose by any other name is still $300 million of taxpayer money down the crapper.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill

Perhaps you're convinced

by the fact that the gas-powered fleet of vehicles are being replaced with these cheaper models, so that it saves money in the long run.

 

In any event, the Republican strategist from "Larry King Live" got her info wrong.

Oh, yes, the old "cheaper"

Oh, yes, the old "cheaper" red herring.  Great idea, replace vehicles that don't need replacing by purchasing a bunch of market irrelevant vehicles (a.k.a. toxic assets...how's that for irony?) that should never have been produced in the first place.  By the way, have you noticed that the economic crisis is a short run problem?  This is an earmark...a subsidy.  It's counter stimulus.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill

Yeah, the military has

Yeah, the military has become enamored with the John Deere Gator type vehicle in Afghanstan and Iraq.  Unarmored and capable of being slung loaded under a black hawk they are now in demand.

Oh, they burn gasoline.  So there goes that concept.

Oh, we have also begun using strictly uparmored gear as tactical vehicles due to concerns over casualties.  Oh, THEY also burn even MORE fuel.  But I do not see these in the Obama budget. 

 

In order for something to be

In order for something to be a red herring, it has to be false. In this case, what I've said is not false. The U.S. Army says that an NEV costs them about $450 to power for a year, and a gas-powered vehicle costs them about $1200 to power for a year. They are indeed cheaper. A fact, not a red herring.

 The Republican strategist on "Larry King Live" still got her facts wrong. There are no golf carts in the stimulus bill.

→ Icarus

I thought a "red herring" only had to be capable of diverting attention. 

It has its origin in training foxhounds.

Obama - Change you can bereave in

Doesn't matter

Ping Pong is usually wrong on logical fallacies. I made a joke before and he called it a straw man. He uses straw man so much, I'm thinking he was babysat as a child by a video tape of The Wizard of Oz.

Beware of a crazy woman throwing a hash pipe.

I accurately use "straw

I accurately use "straw man" to describe your tactics because you constantly present straw man arguments.  You make up imaginary and composite enemies to portray yourself as a victim of nonexistent personal attacks.  It's diversionary, borne of an inability to defend indefensible blanket statements with factual support.  You fool nobody.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill

You appear to be right

You appear to be right about the key aspect of a red herring being a diversion. I guess I'm not big on blurting out names of various logical fallacies in conversation, which is kind of absurd anyway. (Not every conversation, even on topics of disagreement, contains logical fallacies, and the absurdity is in seeing such fallacies as common and ever present. I certainly don't use such terms against other people's words lightly.)

Even with the correct definition of red herring, talking about the costs of NEVs relative to gas-powered vehicles is perfectly relevant to the point of the merits of such a spending project. It's no more a red herring than changing the original topic of the thread from the accuracy of the Republican strategist's one description of the project to a more general discussion about the merits of the project, which has already been done and is perfectly legitimate.

You skipped my discussion

You skipped my discussion above.

If properly polled, most troops would in my opinion ask the agovernment cease spending money on the electric vehicles and spend more on the gas powered Gators for essentially the same role.

In my area we have an office that has both types of vehicles.  Without a doubt the Gator is of more use being more rugged, faster, reliable, capable of carrying a larger load over rougher ground.  Can have its power system regenerated at a remote site without having to bring a 30KW generator to the field.  THe batteries last a couple years, then must be replaced while the Gator does its work on the amount a fuel a small motorcycle uses far more effeiciently and largely maint free.

So why doesn't the stimulous simply skip money pumping into the electric vehicles of limited use and pump more into the gas powered fleet? 

THr eason is that the purchase is politically motivated rather than logically motivated.

So, you earmark $300

So, you earmark $300 million to purchase replacement vehicles that each "save" $750 per year in fuel costs.  At what point do you recoup the $300 million?  And by the way, unless all those vehicles are being purchased for the exclusive use of the military (and it can be documented that the military actually needs these vehicles...in other words it's not some inventory drop), using the military as the sole beneficiary of this program is a red herring.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill

I have XM radio...

..and Stepanie Miller has a show on the liberal talk channel. I gave it a listen a while back just for the heck of it and it was lame, obnoxious and totally devoid of any serious intellectual content. Just her, some lame-o side-kick guy who laughs at the appropriate times, and some "wacky" sound effects and jingles.

Like Randy Rhodes, Miller seems like an angry person with some strong personality issues. They both need therapy, not a talk-show.  

Liberals Know All There Is About Treason

Leave it to a moonbat to decry treason charges against actual traitors just to turn around and say a Conservative should be executed for treason because she doesn't like what he says.

Typical liberals, the true traitors.

A nation cannot be free without a free, unbiased media. We are not free.

This fits a pattern

What do such things as the French Reign of Terror, the Bolshevik revolution, the Cultural Revolution, and the killing fields of Cambodia have in common?  How many times have the left taken the reins of power, which eventually led to the deaths of millions? It is therefore no surprise that a leftist would wish to eliminate her political opposition or stating her wish to do so would seem perfectly acceptable to other leftists because that is what leftists have had a long history of doing.  Theirs is a culture of death.  This is why those on the left, instead of being repelled by radical Islam, are being drawn to it for they have much in common.

These liberals are mentally

These liberals are mentally ill, no doubt about it. They think by staying on Rush that the American people won't notice what is really going on. By the way, my FRS retirement fell another $1200 since 12/08. I am sick to my stomach. What the heck are we going to do about it?

I'm Corn-fused!

To dissent is to be treasonous?!? Whoda thunk it. Didn't it used to be that to dissent was to be patriotic?!?

I guess the truth really is fluid or maybe it is just fluid for the lefty loons and Obamanites.

--

In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. From time to time we've been tempted to believe that society has become too complex to be managed by self-rule, that government by an elite group is superior to government for, by, and of the people. Well, if no one among us is capable of governing himself, then who among us has the capacity to govern someone else? All of us together, in and out of government, must bear the burden. The solutions we seek must be equitable, with no one group singled out to pay a higher price. - Ronald Reagan from his first inaugural address

Start with all the foulmouthed libs who protested the Iraq War

Let's do them first.  Then we'll take a poll and see if anyone wants to do the same to Rush.  (Imbeciles)

"Wherever there is a jackboot stomping on a human face there will be a well-heeled Western liberal to explain that the face does, after all, enjoy free health care and 100 percent literacy."

Define treason, Miss

Define treason, Miss Miller. I think perhaps you might find a better candidate to be "executed for treason" than Mr. Limbaugh.

Treason is acting to betray and undermine one's country. Hmmmm...........anybody come to mind???