NB Interview: Ziegler on Clinton, Obama, Palin and 'Media Malpractice'

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Last month NewsBusters introduced readers to John Ziegler, a conservative filmmaker creating a documentary about the astoundingly poor job the press did covering 2008's presidential campaign.

Marvelously entitled "Media Malpractice: How Obama Got Elected and Palin Was Targeted," the movie is set for release on February 23.

I chatted with Ziegler earlier in the week about last year's campaign shenanigans and the film. Some of the highlights include (60-minute audio available here):    

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  • It's really extraordinary what happened to Hillary because the media was all prepared to annoint Hillary Clinton, and I think that's actually what backfired on her. We make a very strong argument in my film that what really occurred here was that because Hillary was presumed to be unbeatable, the media made a conscious decision not to vett Barack Obama because there was no point to do it. I mean, why pointlessly harm a smart, charismatic, liberal black man with a tremendous future? Why do it? You know, there's no point in doing it because he's not going to win anyway. And by elevating him, they knew that they could create some faux drama, and of course help their ratings, 'cause the last thing they wanted was for Hillary Clinton to run away with the thing. They thought they were just going to create some, some you know fake drama and Obama would run a strong second, Hillary would win, and maybe Obama would be her VP and everything would be wonderful. And we even have a quote from a clip from John King of CNN basically saying just that. This is clearly the mindset of the news media. But then a series of events occurred led by MSNBC, and I believe the advent of overnight ratings was critical to this because I think MSNBC was able to see as a third-place network that every time they did a Barack Obama story they got a bump in their numbers. And they would never have been able to know this five or ten years ago. But now we have the technology where they can pinpoint it to the minute. And they're a third-place network, they have nothing to lose, they don't care about their journalistic credibility, so they decide "Hey, let's jump on this bandwagon and ride it for all it's worth."
  • Once this snowball started, the Obama snowball started down the mountain, it was almost impossible to stop because of the nature of the way that the primaries and caucuses are done, and the way that the media works. I actually believe that what Hillary Clinton did in the second-half of that primary season is one of the most remarkable political achievements in history. And that's not hyperbole. That was absolutely amazing what she was able to accomplish in the second-half there. But it was virtually ignored. It is not supposed to, it is never in recorded, what happened is not supposed to occur that was there is a presumption, presumptive nominee that somebody is able to, to, with no money and getting outspent by ridiculous amounts is able to mount a comeback like she was able to. And if the media had not made the unprecedented decision of deciding to go with their favorite candidate over what has always been the Holy Grail of political reporters which was the prospect of a brokered convention, then we would have seen this thing go all the way to Denver. But for the first time in history, the media decided, "You know what, let's not go for the brokered convention. Let's just make sure that our guy limps across the finish line." I mean, this is like a man giving up free sex or a woman giving up free chocolate. I mean, this just doesn't happen. But for Barack Obama, it did.
  • [On why the media went after Sarah Palin] Well, because she was going to be much more of a threat. They only, they only really waste their ammunition on, on people they see as a threat. They don't on people that they don't see as that big a deal. I think very much like the primary season was a perfect storm, I think what happened with Sarah Palin was a perfect storm because you have a situation where the conservative movement isn't energized. You have a brand new person who is extremely engaging, incredibly charismatic, very attractive, hits a grandslam homerun in her convention speech, the polls go through the roof, the McCain-Palin team is now winning. So now you have the media in a situation where their guy is being threatened, his election's being threatened. And the other thing that happened which I think is an important part with regard to the news media. Joe Scarborough of all people really nailed this, and we used this in my film. You know, those first few days of the convention, they tried to destroy her. I mean, they pulled out all the stops. I mean, the bogus story about her affair, the ridiculous story about her not giving birth to Trig, you know, all sorts of lies about her background. There was talk that she was going to be another Eagleton and be kicked off the ticket. And then she hits this grandslam and the media looked like a bunch of idiots.
  • [On why women in the media hate Palin] The last thing that they want, you know, because a lot of these, a lot of women in the media are career women who have given up families, and under this delusion that they can have it all, and they haven't been able to achieve that, and here's a woman who seemingly does have it all. I mean, she's, she's to the extreme. And still able to look great doing it. I mean, it, it really triggered I think a visceral reaction in a lot of mostly women.
  • The Katie Couric interview was used to destroy Sarah Palin's credibility with the independent voters that had been so drawn to her in that first couple of weeks after her announcement as the vice presidential nominee...From my interview with Sarah Palin, one of the more interesting revelations was that Sarah Palin very early on in that interview realized that she was in enemy territory and that Katie Couric did not have her best interest at heart. And the reason why she realized this was that Katie Couric kept on coming back at her time and time again on the issue of abortion. It wasn't just a clarification question. It was clearly an attempt to play a game of gotcha. Just get Sarah Palin to say something extreme on the issue of abortion. We all know where Katie Couric and 99.99 percent of women in the media stand on that issue. And so at that point, I think that Sarah Palin started to feel as if, and I think she acknowledged this, she started to feel as if she was in a game, she started to shut down, she started to become skeptical if not paranoid about every single question, and I think that directly led to for instance the non-answer to the "What do you read" question, which has been totally misunderstood and misrepresented. And I think it led to a hesitancy on a whole series of other questions 'cause now all of a sudden she has to second and third guess everything she's going to say before she says it because she knows, she knows that, that she is in a situation where there are trapdoors everywhere.
  • [On his appearance on "The View," video embedded below] Maybe the most interesting behind the scenes story was that Whoopi Goldberg came to my dressing room well before the show and spent about 20 minutes with me. Was incredibly nice. Very open-minded. She expressed a real interest in seeing the film. And for better or for worse I think that may have bought me some slack with her that she realized I was not some sort of raving nutjob. And, so I think she was pretty fair with me. Now, Joy Behar is, just like Sarah Palin is everything that conservatives will hope that she would be, Joy Behar is exactly in my brief experience with here exactly everything that conservatives would presume her to be in the negative. She's an idiot, I frankly think she's a bit of a b***h, and I think she, you know, I don't think she has any clue about what the facts are. As a matter of fact, if she was able to come up with a way for people to look at food the way that she looks at facts she never would have had to work for Jenny Craig for all those years, I mean, 'cause she'd have the greatest weight-loss program in history. I mean, she just doesn't care about facts. 

  • [On his satellite radio interview with Barbara Walters, audio embedded in image to the right] She acknowledged I'd say three or four very important points almost like a confessional. I mean, she admits that, one, that "The View" is liberally biased, which I guess is not earth-shattering news. But she also admits that "The View" was far too sweet on Obama in her interview with him.

Great stuff, John. We look forward to the release of "Media Malpractice" next Monday, as well as your interview on the "Today" show.

Good luck.

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.


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I can't wait to watch it! 

I can't wait to watch it!   

Me - "The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years - the cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil."

God Bless John....

For wading into that snarling school of liberal idiot pirannahs.

"What you can not enforce, do not command" -Sophocles-

Alaska has a TWO YEAR SURPLUS

imagine the fear that strikes in the Democrats hearts.

I heard that Norto but couldn't find a link

I was ransacking Governor Palin's website for the budget numbers but what I saw I couldn't make heads or tails of.  I did understand that she has ratcheted back spending so as not to suck it down too quickly.  Can you provide a link?

"What you can not enforce, do not command" -Sophocles-

Oh, I found it.

5 BILLION DOLLARS??????  And the legislature is apparently squabbling about her ideas to pre-fund education 3 years out and pay off the unfunded teachers pension.  5 BILLION DOLLAR SURPLUS!!!!!!!!  AND WE DIDN'T PUT THIS WOMAN IN OFFICE???????

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/325207.html

"What you can not enforce, do not command" -Sophocles-

And one last thought....

Indeed it has to suck being the Governor.  All that money is sitting around and everyone has their damn hand out.  And in truth, I'm sure that a lot of people make a good case but making all those decisions about what to fund, what to not fund....sheesh that would suck. 

And Obama has this kind of experience in making these decisions?

 "WE GOT THE WRONG CHANGE"   -Palin/Whoever 2012

"What you can not enforce, do not command" -Sophocles-

And your article is a year

And your article is a year old.  In case you haven't been paying attention, times have changed.

That's right, guttermouth

Times have changed, and the fund is now up to 6.8 billion. What a differece a year makes!

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities
of Citizens in the several States.

The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

In my recent post here, I

In my recent post here, I linked to an AP story that indicates:

1. "The state has socked away $1 billion in an education fund for the next school year and education officials say another $1 billion is expected go into the fund this year for future use. More billions went into state savings as well, Palin said."

2. "The state currently has $6.6 billion in its constitutional budget reserve fund that it could tap into. A few billion dollars more also is available from other pockets, said Juneau economist Gregg Erickson, a longtime Alaska budget watcher. Given Alaska's robust reserves, the state is well-prepared to weather the next two years, Erickson said."

Gov. Palin is a winner, through and through!

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“Nobody believes what the mainstream media says now anyway.  Except the uneducated, the illiterate, and the uninformed -- which, sadly, is a fairly large number” ~ Rush Limbaugh

Here you go

actually

Its called the Alaska Constitutional Budget Reserve.  It has approximately a value of 6.8 billion and was setup to "buffer against swings in oil prices and revenues"  This year will, apparently be the first time it has to be dipped into since 2003.  While Alaska seems to have some budget shortfalls they appear to be a lot more fiscally responsible than some states.

Thank you

I was about to say gutter, if you weren't such a dumbass lib, that Alaska has funds and resources to counter its shortfall unlike California which is having to squeeze its citizen's nuts.  Why don't you go back to KOS?

 

"What you can not enforce, do not command" -Sophocles-

Whoopi forgot about Michelle's "Proud of my Country" speech

I was hoping John would have said it when Whoopi was saying that Sarah 'put her family out there' and were therefore fair game.  But what did Michelle mah Belle do during her speech?  But she's off limits?

Unfortunately, hate makes for good media.  If everyone is sitting around agreeing with each other, it gets dull.  Which explains probably why the View is having these contentious shows.  Good ratings.

"What you can not enforce, do not command" -Sophocles-

How about a party of friends to watch it

I think we should do coffee clatches and watch it. That will drive the media nuts.

Hope it hits number one and stays there for a year!

On the list - waiting for my copy

Color me blue ---- strike that, red, with envy, Noel. Great stuff. Belongs on the coffee table. (;~> gary

On the side bar - I disagree to a point; my sense from eary on, was that the MSM was always wanting to go with Obama - but stuck with Hillary as the sure bet until they were convinced that he could carry the day (with their help). When that day arrived, with nary a blink, they turned on Hillary and went all the way over to Obama. Only in the end, once he had shored all up, did the MSM suddenly forgot all that had happened; suddenly the love was back for Hillary (and what's his face.) (;~ 

 

Media

I agree with just about everything you said except, I don't believe it was about ratings. Much of the media has a hard left agenda. They took a huge gamble and so far they've gotten away it, I say so far because thanks to people like yourselves the truth will get out eventually. The gamble, was losing their presumed honesty, and credibility they were willing to do it for this agenda, not ratings. 

Media

Time foe a class action lawsuit.

Can't wait to watch it.

Can't wait to watch it. Palin's common sense approach to politics is a breath of fresh air.  Gonna be nice to think of her minus the McCain-guy.

Give me a Break Palin Bombed those interviews on her own

The Couric interview was ALL Palin's fault. First she cannot answer a simple question:

Sarah Palin Can't Name a Newspaper She Reads (Video)

Then when she talks to Fox she now reads The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal and the Economist:

Palin Claims She Reads 'The Economist' (Video)

Which is total BS, there is no way she reads the Economist.

Then in the Ziegler interview she reads Alaskan Newspapers, USA Today and the The New York Times.

What happened to The Wall Street Journal and the Economist? Did she forget so soon? Give me a break, Ziegler should give it up he just help prove my point. Palin bomber those interviews, forget the rest of it, the interviews were all her fault. Do you really think Fred Thompson, Rudy Giuliani or Mitt Romney would have bombed those interviews? Not a chance. Palin didn't know the material and was unqualified. Not to mention that she refused to prep for them just makes the whole thing more laughable.

O'Reilly: Palin refused interview preparation for Katie Couric (Video)

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Sorry, pt - but had it been me in the seat

I would have told Katie to take a hike and stood up and left the studio!  The disgusting manner of questioning was totally unacceptable and I understood immediately why she didn't answer the questions.  It was as if she wanted to know what you rubes read in the two-holer way out there in Alaska...No way - and the same with 'looking down his nose' and 'dangling his damn shoe' Gibson.  CONDESCENDING is too light a term to use! 

I still think the McCain gal (Wallace) formerly with CBS set her up for this interview - and was also the tattletale at the end of the campaign. 

I'd like to see how well they would run the state of Alaska - or any other state!

It is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue. ~ Sam Adams

Give me a break, it was all her fault

Right and I would have said The Wall Street Journal, except Palin doesn't read that, she reads left-wing publications like the worthless NYT. Disgusting manner of questioning? What newspaper do you read? LMAO! Palin bombed of epic proportions and she has no one to blame but herself.

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PT, you have become every bit as unhinged as Al Gore

Now that I think about it, Al appears to be more grounded than you are.

-Dave

Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.

Exposing the Flip-Flop Palin is Unhinged?

Are the facts to hard to accept? 

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No, just your brainless liberal bleating of leftwing platitudes

That have been disproven time and time again liberal dirtbag.

"What you can not enforce, do not command" -Sophocles-

"This sure would be a better world without the liberals" -Unk-

I'm a Liberal?

Then why would I never vote for a Democrat? Your "logic" escapes me.

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Doen't this Popular Tech guy write for the far left Daily Kos?

I could be mistaken, but his anti-Palin rants seem almost identical to the rants I have read at the Daily Kos.

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Opportunities are never lost;
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Nobody believes what the mainstream media says now anyway.  Except the uneducated, the illiterate, and the uninformed -- which, sadly, is a fairly large number” ~ Rush Limbaugh

Um... No

The Daily Kos is website for neo-marxists.

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Sorry. My

Sorry. My mistake.

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“The left -- you people, you Democrats -- you are creating a monster that you will not be able to control forever.  You will ultimately regret what you are doing just like the media will ultimately regret its sacrifice of reason, its abandonment of its primary purpose.” ~ Rush Limbaugh

Pop, don't hold back

Pop, don't hold back.  Tell us what you REALLY think about Palin.

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of Citizens in the several States.

The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

She is unqualified

The same as I have always thought.

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Far more qualified than Barr

She's far more qualified than Barr.  What was his percentages again?  Oh, that's right less than 1 percent. You sure picked a winner there, Pop.  So excuse me if I don't pay much attention to who you feel is "qualified" for office.  Your track record is a bit, shall we say, abysmal!

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities
of Citizens in the several States.

The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

Bob Barr was much more qualified than Palin

Bob Barr

Age: 60

Religion:
- Methodist

Education:
- B.A. International Affairs, University of Southern California, 1970
- M.A. International Affairs, George Washington University, 1972
- J.D. Georgetown University Law Center, 1977

Political Experience:
- Chairman, Republican Party, Georgia, 1985-1986
- U.S. Representative, Georgia, 1995-2003
- House Manager, Impeachment Proceedings of President Clinton, U.S. House of Representatives, 1998

Committees:
- Head, Public Corruption Subcommittee, United States Attorney General, 1987-1988
- Chairman, Judiciary Subcommittee on Commercial and Administration Law, U.S. House of Representatives
- Vice-Chairman, Oversight and Government Reform Committee, U.S. House of Representatives
- Senior Member, Judiciary Committee, U.S. House of Representatives
- Member, Financial Services Committee, U.S. House of Representatives
- Member, Oversight and Government Reform Committee, U.S. House of Representatives
- Member, Constitution Project's Liberty and Security Initiative
- Member, Libertarian National Committee, 2006-2008

Professional Experience:
- Analyst, Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), 1971-1978
- Anti-Drug Coordinator, Southeastern United States, U.S. Justice Department, 1986-1990
- U.S. Attorney (Appointed by President Reagan), Northern District of Georgia, 1986-1990
- President, Southeastern Legal Foundation, 1990-1991
- Attorney, 1978-1986, 1991-1994
- Board of Directors, National Rifle Association (NRA), 1997-Present
- Advisor, Long-Term Strategy Project for Preserving Security and Democratic Freedoms in the War on Terrorism, Harvard University, 2003-2005
- Chairman, American Conservative Union: '21st Century Privacy and Freedom Center, 2003-2008
- Board of Directors, Patrick Henry Center, 2003-Present
- Attorney, Edwin Marger LLC, 2003-Present
- CEO, Liberty Strategies LLC, 2003-Present
- Chairman, Patriots to Restore Checks and Balances, 2005-Present
- Adjunct Professor, Kennesaw State University, 2008-Present

Accomplishments:
- Renaming National Airport for Ronald Reagan
- Authored The Defense of Marriage Act
- Introduced Resolution H. RES. 304 to Impeach Bill Clinton

 

Sarah Palin

Age: 44

Religion:
- Pentecostal

Education:
- Attended, Hawaii Pacific University, 1982
- Attended, North Idaho College, 1983-1984
- Attended, University of Idaho, 1984-1985
- Attended, Matanuska-Susitna College, 1985
- B.S. Journalism, University of Idaho, 1987

Political Experience:
- Former Council Member, Wasilla City Council, Alaska, 1992-1996
- Former Mayor, Wasilla City, Alaska, 1996-2002 (pop: 7,028) (Votes: 909)
- Failed Candidate, Lieutenant Governor, Alaska, 2002
- Resigned, Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, 2003-2004
- Governor, Alaska, 2006-present (2 years) (pop: 670,053) (0.002% of the U.S. population)

Professional Experience:
- First Place, Miss Wasilla Beauty Contest, 1984
- Second Place, Miss Alaska Pageant, 1984
- Television Sports Reporter, 1987-1989
- Director, Ted Stevens Excellence in Public Service, Inc., 2003-2007 

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PT, why don't you tell us the real reason Bob Barr...

...is, in your mind, more qualified than Gov. Palin.

It's because he is a man, and Gov. Palin isn't.

Right?

-Dave

Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.

Give us the real reason you did not support Hillary Clinton

Is this why you did not support Hillary Clinton? She was a woman?

So if anyone finds Sarah Palin unqualified and on the wrong side of issues they don't like women?  ROFLMAO!

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PT gets award!!

you win this bumper sticker  made just for you

The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts

No, Hillary Klinton is a filthy corrupt liar like her husband

Like her cattle futures trade, like the Rose law firm billing records, like Whitewater...and on and on and on.....

What 'dirt' do libs think they have on Palin?  Some made up ethics scandal in firing an incompetent boob of a Public Safety Director because he wouldn't get rid of a police officer proven to drive drunk on duty, who tasered his son and shot wildlife from his police cruiser.

Keep failing PT, you're doing a good job at it.

 

"What you can not enforce, do not command" -Sophocles-

No Dirt just the facts

Bailout:
Sarah Palin: Bailout or Great Depression. Choose. (U.S. News and World Report)

Bridge to Nowhere:
The Pathological Lie of Sarah Palin (Video)
Palin backed 'bridge to nowhere' in 2006 (USA Today)
Palin "bridge to nowhere" line angers many Alaskans (Reuters)
Palin touts stance on 'Bridge to Nowhere,' doesn't note flip-flop (Anchorage Daily News)
ADN: "Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?"
PALIN: "Yes." - (Anchorage Daily News, 2006)

Earmarks:
Alaska 1st, Ariz. last in pork spending (USA Today)
Palin used system she now opposes (Los Angeles Times)
Palin's earmark requests: more per person than any other state (The Seattle Times)
Palin's Project List Totals $453 Million (The Wall Street Journal)
Palin's Small Alaska Town Secured Big Federal Funds (The Washington Post)
- As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million.

Fiscal Policy:
Spending rose in Palin's Alaska administrations (USA Today)
- In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. (ADN)
- Palin, who portrays herself as a fiscal conservative, racked up nearly $20 million in long-term debt as mayor of Wasilla. (POLITICO)

Global Warming:
Biden, Palin in complete agreement: Carbon caps are coming (The Industry Standard)
MODERATOR: "...do you support capping carbon emissions?"
PALIN: "I do. I do." (Transcript)

Illegal Immigrations:
Palin: I support a path to citizenship for illegals (Hot Air)

Taxes:
Alaska Raises Tax On Oil Profits To 25% (CBS News, November 17, 2007)
Alaska Gov. Palin signs bill to hike oil tax (Reuters, December 19, 2007)
Palin owes thousands in Back Taxes (Anchorage Daily News)

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PopTech wrong on Palin's Illegal Immegration stand too

Illegal Immigrations:
Palin: I support a path to citizenship for illegals (Hot Air

You dishonestly leave out the fact that this "path" of her involves having all illegal aliens go to the back of the line before re-entering.

It's right there in your story.  You, like the MSM, phrase the headline in such a way as to make it sound like something other than what it is.

 

 

"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media."  -- Lowell Ponte

What the John McCain Plan?

ROFLMAO! Are you now defending John McCain's illegal immigration plan?

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I'll be waiting in

I'll be waiting in anticipation for the links comparing other politicians like Romney, Brewer, Sebelius, Kulongoski among others, and their state budget, earmarks and tax policies with Palin.

Perhaps they aren't handy depending on one's politics...

 

"I don't have time for this. You all can continue your co-dependency posts and make yourselves feel all chummy... Frankly, you all don't represent where America is going and you might as well get used to it."

--The Dooper

Once again PT....

Please take note of Alaska's immense surplus which is more than capable of absorbing the budget shortfall.

She terminated the bridge to nowhere. 

You are intellectually dishonest.

"What you can not enforce, do not command" -Sophocles-

Yes she was for the bridge before she was against it

We have established that. I may be one of the few people left here who is intellectually honest.

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"I may be one of the few

"I may be one of the few people left here who is intellectually honest."

I may be one of the few people left here who is intellectually deficient.

There, fixed it for ya.  :-)

-Dave

Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.

Nope

Yeah, PT, I knew I scored a bulls-eye with that one

Put it right in the old 10 ring, too.  :-)

Got any links stored up that will tell us how unqualified Margaret Thatcher was? Golda Meir?

-Dave

Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.

Thatcher read Hayek

I respected Thatcher she understood economics.

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"I respected Thatcher she

"I respected Thatcher she understood economics."

So does Gov. Palin.

-Dave

Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.

Palin is an economic illiterate

Biden, Palin in complete agreement: Carbon caps are coming (The Industry Standard)
MODERATOR: "...do you support capping carbon emissions?"
PALIN: "I do. I do." (Transcript)

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The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts

Yawn

PT, I hope you are saving up your money...

...because I think your dues are going to be called in soon:

http://myiq2xu.files...

-Dave

Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.

Typical

Smear Artist. You have no integrity.

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Up your shaft, troll.

You have some nerve pointing your spindly finger at ANYONE on this blog and accusing them of being either a smear artist or lacking in integrity.

-Dave

Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.

Spindly?

More like very solid. RD, you cannot debate anything and instead just keep trying to smear me. Smear artists like you are a dime a dozen, you smear to make up for your intellectual short comings.

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"...you smear to make up

"...you smear to make up for your intellectual short comings" 

Didn't you just smear him? That was a rhetorical question. You probably thinks it a fact he's stupid, and therefore okay. That approach is pretty typical in these forums.

 

"No I have the facts"

--The resident Joe Friday 

Hey! Who ordered all this SPAM ?

Hey!  Who ordered all this SPAM ?

 

"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media."  -- Lowell Ponte

I love PT SPAM. It's so

I love PT SPAM. It's so good! It has many many smells, but mainly it tastes like dog crap.

 

"I don't have time for this. You all can continue your co-dependency posts and make yourselves feel all chummy... Frankly, you all don't represent where America is going and you might as well get used to it."

--The Dooper

PopTech

And the relevance of this is . . . ?   (i.e. - So what ?)

 

"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media."  -- Lowell Ponte

Relevance? LMAO

"The Katie Couric interview was used to destroy Sarah Palin's credibility with the independent voters that had been so drawn to her in that first couple of weeks after her announcement as the vice presidential nominee..."

It is directly relevant. Palin destroyed herself, I am so sick and tired of the excuses that it is everyone else's fault but her own.

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I other words, it is only

I other words, it is only relevant to those who depend upon Couric to tell them what to think.

I saw Palin's interviews with Kudlow, Gretta, and Beck and I can make up my own mind.

 

"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media."  -- Lowell Ponte

Palin's Epic Fail

A true test of a candidate is not how they handle the softball interviews.

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Softball interviews?

You mean like Obama being asked by Williams how he feels tonight and how his family would be proud?  Yeah that's a real hardball question.

libs like PT = Epic FAIL

"What you can not enforce, do not command" -Sophocles-

Yes Softball Interviews

Like that. Thanks again for proving my point! Keep calling me a "lib" it only makes your comments even more laughable.

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I have a great site for you PT...

It's called MrCranky and it's filled with a bunch of liberal dumbasses like yourself....knock yourself out.

"What you can not enforce, do not command" -Sophocles-

Good one

Since I am not a liberal why would I go to a liberal site? Are you confused?

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well PT the lib

seeing as how you spread lib bias PDS, why do you come here?

btw, your continual spreading the lib lies makes you an honorary lib

The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts

"Since I am not a

"Since I am not a liberal...?"

Maybe not, but you definitely construct your arguments as if you were a lefty.

-Dave

Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.

~Dave

He's not the only one. He's not even the worst one.....
And at least he is inadvertently amusing. Sort of.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

Chose

There are still a few conservative posters on this site that want to make this the right version of KOS and do nothing but name call and point fingers, but most of those posters rarely post now, because they rather be somewhere where there is no disenting point of view.

He had my vote

~Shawn

I'll argue with you all day just to listen to that sweet Canuck accent....

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

Your hot eh? He had my

Your hot eh? ;-)

He had my vote

Not that this is related to

Not that this is related to the current thread, but McCain has shown me he has at least some sense by criticizing and opposing Porkulus as the wasteful expansion of government that it really is.  I did not vote for him because he is not really a conservative, but I'm beginning to think you did a good thing by voting for him.

I can honestly say.....

In two years that is the nicest thing you have ever said to me.

He had my vote

Uh-oh...I think you just

Uh-oh...I think you just bought yourself another two years of bashing.

Jer

Actually, I can't recall

Actually, I can't recall that I have had much to say to you good or bad.  Most of the threads you post on are not issues that I care to debate.  There are others perfectly well capable of debating the conservative POV on those therads and you tend to be the closest thing to an actual moderate that exists, so I usually stay out of it.

Have you really been posting here two years?   I tend to think of you as a relative newcomer.

Newcomer?

Ouch :-0

Good night. 

He had my vote

In other words, shawn, in

In other words, shawn, in NL's world you're just a tree falling in a distant forest.

Jer

I'd rather put it in a

I'd rather put it in a different light:  Shawn seldom takes positions I care to debate.  Despite labeling himself as a 'liberal', his positions are to the right of mainstream liberal feeling in America today.

~Wow

You can tell from there? *preening*

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

Dayem, Shawn,

LOL-You are getting almost as bad as me.

Almost.  :-)

-Dave

Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.

Dave

I can still stay crude things because I am lesser Liberal anyway. You gotta set a squeeky clean image to preserve your conservative credentials :-)

He had my vote

Shawn,

squeeky clean image? Me?

ROFLMAO! Hell, I lost that way back when I was 14.

In fact, a certain neighborhood girl's father (and its okay now, because the laws were way different back then, and the statute has run now, anyway) threatened to use me for human target practice.

-With a 30-30 rifle, no less.

I mean, my "credentials" could have pretty well been blown off.  :-O

-Dave

Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.

~Well, Dave

You have an eternal advantage. You were my FIRST, after all.....*blushing furiously*
"Surely you haven't forgotten" she murmured shyly.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

That's what you told

That's what you told me!

Jer

~Jer

Had to sink the hook somehow...*shrug*

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

Yeah, but Dave's a bottom

Yeah, but Dave's a bottom feeder.  I thought I was...well...you know...prize catch.

Jer

Jer,

"Yeah, but Dave's a bottom feeder. "

LOL-Gee, thanks.

-Dave

Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.

R D...

Oops....Didn't realize you had surfaced.

Jer

Jer,

LOL.

-Dave

Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.

~Technically

Dave caught me.
He sent me my first buddy request. Swept me off my feet with that sweet southern drawl...
Next thing you know, he's gone and there's a dozen other people knocking at my door. He musta spread the word I was easy or sumthin.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

hey choose

dont forget about me I think there was post of mine yesterday as I gently spoke to PT that caught your glance 

"America is on the Short Bus to Socialism"

~Why dark, what..what are

You doing here? She stammered.
(one at a time now, please. There are back issues of Guns & Ammo in the waiting room)

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

I saw it too, dark...

I saw it too, dark...didn't say anything.  Hoped it was just some harmless flirting.  Then I noticed she was sweet-talking Blazer the other day.

Jer

 thanks I am glad for a

 thanks I am glad for a witness .....i thought possibly I was imagining her glance .. my way with words arent what they use to be, I can still occassionaly even in my advanced years twist the knife and I am glad Close noticed ;)

"America is on the Short Bus to Socialism"

I know what you mean,

I know what you mean, buddy.  Anything besides Guns & Ammo to read while we're sitting out here?

Jer

~If ye can catch me

Ye can have me....
Night, night lads!

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

At this rate I'll

At this rate I'll probably catch ye in bed with Pop Tech.

Jer

~Jer

A girl's gotta draw the line somewhere! *shuddering*

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

~The boyo could wile the birds

From the bushes with his blarneyin. Faith and begorah, if he didn't swate talk me with tha Gaelic.
Nothin' parsonal, ye'll be unnerstandin' me laddies.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

Well, if you're turned on

Well, if you're turned on by the sight of sawtooth gravy and molasses dribbling into a guy's beard, then...he's all yours, sweetheart.

Jer

~GASP

I guess that wasn't Dave....SOB!!

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

It's not about that....

It's about the fact that PT here is claiming that Palin has no experience at all especially compared to wonderboy Bob Barr.  And yet as with Obama, good ol' Bob DOESN'T HAVE EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE.  You know, that making budgets thing, etc etc. 

And how many times must one point out that in this day where state governments, especially lib central blue states like California are BEGGING for bailout funds, Alaska is weathering this storm because of her FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.  That quality isn't important to you as a citizen?  It's damn important to me.

"What you can not enforce, do not command" -Sophocles-

Yes he does...

Bob Barr

- Chairman, Republican Party, Georgia, 1985-1986
- President, Southeastern Legal Foundation, 1990-1991
- Board of Directors, National Rifle Association (NRA), 1997-Present
- Chairman, American Conservative Union: '21st Century Privacy and Freedom Center, 2003-2008
- Board of Directors, Patrick Henry Center, 2003-Present
- CEO, Liberty Strategies LLC, 2003-Present
- Chairman, Patriots to Restore Checks and Balances, 2005-Present

Alaska is flush with oil money thanks to Gov. Palin jacking up taxes:

Alaska Raises Tax On Oil Profits To 25% (CBS News, November 17, 2007)
Alaska Gov. Palin signs bill to hike oil tax (Reuters, December 19, 2007)

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Bob Barr - LOSER!!!!!

 

Only received 511,324 votes. Basically the State of Wyoming voted for him.

 Gov. Palin, more experiance than Bob Barr and more people VOTED FOR HER and that other guy.

 

Go ahead and spam away with your links. You have never put forth a valid argument, you just post links and your head bobs up and down like those dogs on the car dashboard.

Chose,

"And at least he is inadvertently amusing. Sort of."

Yeah, and intentionally annoying, mostly.  :-(

I'd prefer to have Leon back, because at least he was truly entertaining.  :-)

-Dave

Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.

Dave

what makes you think Leon isn't back?

The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts

botg,

Good point.

-Dave

Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.

~After having a classless

Queen follow me around sneering about my children and implying that I have fantasies about gay men, Pop has been downgraded to just amusing.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

Hell, PT, cavemen constructing their arguments with facts...

...would be news to you.

-Dave

Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.

Dave

PopT is immune to the Truthbat.

He apparently lives in his own little universe of fict and facts.

 

J,

I think its time to put away the Truthbat...in favor of the cast iron Truth fry pan.

:-)

-Dave

Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.

Thanks, d.

My cast iron skillet is reserved for really GOOD stuff. 

I wouldn't waste it on something so mundane as PT.

Do you suppose a Clue Bat might work?

 

J,

Actually, I think a industrial-sized clue enema would be the best course of action in this case, but I ain't goin' anywhere near that.  :-O

-Dave

Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.

All my arguments are fact based

Why do you think I have so many sources. I only deal in facts. Unfortunately for you these are facts you do not want to deal with.

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you have so many sources

 You have so many sources because you are obsessive compulsive and highly anal rententitive .. or you are an enlightened super being not of this earth ... those are my 2 choices

"America is on the Short Bus to Socialism"

Dark,

LOL-I am going for the former.

-Dave

Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.

That doesn't change the facts

"obsessive compulsive and highly anal rententitive"

Yes to a degree but it does not change the facts (which are sourced).

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What meds are you taking? I

What meds are you taking? I like Lexipro and Dexedrine to balance me out. It could help you out too. Think about it.

"No I have the facts"

--The resident Joe Friday 

no the facts don't change

but your ability or inability to incorporate new information and come to a realization of the truth of the facts can be severely hampered once you are compulsively committed to a side.

this leads to upholding 'facts' that are not accurate while dismissing facts that are accurate

The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts

PT.s PDS is what is left out. he thinks T . Palin's businesses

net worth 1.2 million is a joke.

Palin this week characterized herself as “an everyday, working-class
American” who knows how it feels when the stock market takes a hit.

Ohh hell no he will not include it in his "factual"  BIAS lists

pURPLe pINKy

Todd Palin's Professional Experience is very real

But it has nothing to do with his wife. I find it pathetic she is trying to take credit for his businesses.

Why would I include an irrelevant link about Todd Palin's wealth? Or an emotional quote about "feelings" what is this some sort of liberal argument?

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PT sez ," But it has nothing to do with his wife"

NOTHING??? they are MARRIED!!!!!

You HOSE this site WITH TRILLIONS OF PIXELS  of liberal PDS links.

Look up FAMILY BUSINESS will ya.

pURPLe pINKy ain't squat  anyone can do about it.

Wow, my hubby thinks I am a large credit for his business

I must inform him ASAP that by me helping him build it up, as SP has done for Todd, and helping to do work for him, has not made me a part of it. Maybe he needs to take me off the legal paperwork as COO. I will let the poor unenlightened fool know.

 Hey, PT, If Barr runs again, are you willing to put on short shorts and a cropped tight tee and be the Barr Boy with the crush on him? He can use all the help he can get, and he probably would really appreciate all of your dedication.

 

All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden?  P.J. O' Rourke

Unfortunately for you, no

Unfortunately for you, no ones buying your facts. You have, however, created a lot of support for Palin on this forum. 

"No I have the facts"

--The resident Joe Friday 

What color is the sky in your world? It looks Blue in ours

Ri-i-i-i-i-ight . . . 

. . . because Kudlow is such a pushover.

And for that matter, so are Greta and Beck.

 

"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media."  -- Lowell Ponte

LMAO, Kudlow, Greta and Beck are all right of center

Kudlow writes in NRO, Greta and Beck are on FOX News. ROFLMAO!

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Would you like some syrup with your ROFLS ?

Would you like some syrup with your ROFLS ?

Greta and Beck came from CNN.  Duh!

 

"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media."  -- Lowell Ponte

Glenn Beck a liberal?

Are you serious? Greta is a centrist if anything she is certainly not a progressive socialist.

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Oh!  So Greta is a

Oh!  So Greta is a centrist now?

I thought you were trying to imply that she was a Conservative?  That's what I was guessing from why you would bother to mention the network she currently works for.

So, since this centrist had a good interview with Palin, we can all rest assured that GOVERNOR Palin is qualified for National Office.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Now, go post something that contradicts one of your previous statements!

 

"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media."  -- Lowell Ponte

Softball Interviews vs Hardball ones

Doing well in the softball interviews is meaningless and Greta was a softball interview.

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Greta Van Sustern-Registered Democrat

Washington insider, member of Church of Scientology. Not a centrist.

 

All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden?  P.J. O' Rourke

tbdi

Greta's party affiliation is and has been common knowledge.  On what do you base your conclusion she's not a centrist?

Jer

Jer

 I will give you that. I know in the past she held some pretty liberal views, but it is possible that she has gone more centrist over the years. She is getting older, after all, and most people do tend to get more sensible as they age, unfortunately not enough, but perhaps being with her friends on Fox that are Repubs and some centrists, she has mellowed. Maybe her old feminist hippie ideals have fallen away to some degree. Too bad it hasn't happened to others. Regardless of her personal views and religious? views, I like Greta. She is a very fair interviewer for the most part, and tries to do a good job. As for her party affiliation being common knowledge, tell that to the libs on the nutty lefty sites. They all think because she works at Fox, and genuinely likes Palin, that she is a rabid right-winger. They have no sense that people can actually be of different political persuasions, and possibly do a good job keeping their views out. Unlike Maddow, Matthews, Olby, Shuster, Sawyer, Couric Lauer, etc., etc.

 

All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden?  P.J. O' Rourke

PT actually believes that Katie isn't a liberal left shill

Admit it PT, you have dreams that Bathtub Boy is going to come and ravage you in the night.

"What you can not enforce, do not command" -Sophocles-

Of course Katie is a left wing shill

She is also an idiot which makes the interview that much worse as ANY competent candidate could handle her.

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~IGNORE THE OCD PDS FREAK

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

hey cl3x

how the heck are ya tonight?

The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts

~I'm trying to find a fire hydrant

Before this thread turns to a charred wasteland.

Why are all a y'all pecking the deformed cockerel, anyway?

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

good luck in your

good luck in your search

The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts

~Let's just abandon the thread

And leave Pop to spin in circles, picking at himself and gibbering.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

I wonder when the mastheads

I wonder when the mastheads will take away his stick. How many threads have been derailed now? This week I think there have been four.

 

"No I have the facts"

--The resident Joe Friday 

~Well, I really can't

Come down on the guy for that right now, seeing as how I derailed one myself on Monday! *slight blush, big grin..*

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

As long as it was a good

As long as it was a good derailment. 

"No I have the facts"

--The resident Joe Friday 

~Eminently satisfying

No PM's, contrary? Too bad, you're missin' out....

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

PT, spoken like a true lib

Let's compare...Alaska....not in need of bailout funds, budget surplus....the liberal Petri dish California...begging to suck on the bailout tit.

So I suppose Palin's just another one of those dumb country hicks that doesn't know what she's doing huh?

I completely love it when a lib cites left wing proven partisan distortionists to make a point.  I say, try again, using a CREDIBLE source of news this time.

"What you can not enforce, do not command" -Sophocles-

Spoken like a true clueless Partisan

First of all I am not a liberal, I have never voted for a Democratic Candidate for any office in my life. I am a Conservative Libertarian.

Lets compare Alaska:

Alaska 1st, Ariz. last in pork spending (USA Today)
Palin used system she now opposes (Los Angeles Times)
Palin's earmark requests: more per person than any other state (The Seattle Times)
Palin's Project List Totals $453 Million (The Wall Street Journal)
Palin's Small Alaska Town Secured Big Federal Funds (The Washington Post)
Spending rose in Palin's Alaska administrations (USA Today)

Alaska Raises Tax On Oil Profits To 25% (CBS News, November 17, 2007)
Alaska Gov. Palin signs bill to hike oil tax (Reuters, December 19, 2007)

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Ronald Reagan didn't have

Ronald Reagan didn't have much more experience when HE became President.  He was governor of California, Palin is governor of Alaska.  Ronald Reagan was an actor prior to entering politics.  Palin was a beauty contestant.  President Reagan turned out to be one hell of a President.  I would hate to think we chose somebody else just because Reagan had been an actor or because he had only been a governor.

Ronald Reagan has MUCH more experience than Palin

Ronald Reagan:

Age: 70 (When Elected President)

Religion:
- Presbyterian

Education:
- B.A. Economics and Sociology, Eureka College, 1932
- L.H.D., Eureka College, 1957

Professional Experience:
- Radio Broadcaster, 1932-1937
- Second Lieutenant, United States Army Reserve, 1935-1942
- Actor and Executive, 1937-1964
- Captain, United States Army Air Force, 1942-1945
- Board of Directors, Screen Actors Guild, 1946-1960
- Vice President, Screen Actors Guild, 1946
- President, Screen Actors Guild, 1947-1951, 1959
- Board of Directors, Motion Picture Industry Council, 1948-1958
- President, Motion Picture Industry Council, 1949-1950

Political Experience:
- Governor, California, 1966-1974 (pop: 19,953,134) (8 years)

He also had a good understanding of economics. Palin has the typical populist mentality.

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Was Reagan running for Vice-President?

Was Reagan running for Vice-President?

Oh that's right, he wasn't !

 

Add ignorance of history to the list . . . 

No more qualified candidates were

And the most important qualification of the VP is to be ready to assume POTUS if needed, Palin is unqualified to do that.

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You mean like Root?

You mean like Wayne Allyn Root?  Now that was a man qualified for office, NOT! Palin is a thousand times more qualified than Root.  Even you have to agree with that.  But I've yet to see you posting a resume on Root here.  Why is that, Pop?

Come on, Pop.  Put Root's resume up against Palin's and let's see who's better qualified to take over as POTUS.  

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities
of Citizens in the several States.

The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

AT LEAST THERE'S NO ARGUING

AT LEAST THERE'S NO ARGUING THAT PALIN IS WAY MORE QUALIFIED FOR POTUS THAN OBAMA IS - EVEN FOR VP LET ALONE POTUS

LMAO! What is up with

LMAO!

What is up with that. You are the craziest person I have ever met on this forum. LMAO! The posts you come up with really make me laugh. Keep up the good work.

 

"I don't have time for this. You all can continue your co-dependency posts and make yourselves feel all chummy... Frankly, you all don't represent where America is going and you might as well get used to it."

--The Dooper

Yes, and which state is not begging for bailout funds PT????

I'll give you a hint, it's not California.

Maybe you and your lib buddies could learn a thing or two about balancing budgets from the 'country hick'

And I'll tell you again.  Don't cite USA Today, LA Times or the WaPo to me as sources.  They've been reduced to garbage tabloids a long time ago, smear merchants and rumor rags, not actual fit sources of news reporting.  Their respectability as real journalistic outfits died ages ago when they decided to crawl into bed with Mr. "I'm not a Socialist" Cokebama.

"What you can not enforce, do not command" -Sophocles-

PopTech

Alaska Raises Tax On Oil Profits To 25% (CBS News, November 17, 2007)
Alaska Gov. Palin signs bill to hike oil tax (Reuters, December 19, 2007

 

Now, you have been falsely criticising Palin for "raising taxes" on the oil
companies when Alaska changed from PPT (Petroleum Profits Tax) to ACES
(Alaska's Clear and Equitable Share).  You bleat that remark over
and over and leave out why the change occured: "the Petroleum Profits Tax that was passed in 2006 with the support of legislators who have since been indicted on bribery charges in an FBI probe that promises to extend to other legislators" (emphasis mine) Remember way back I told you she changed this because under the old tax system "the fix was in" ?

You also leave out the how open the public discussion about the new tax was.

Have some self-respect and be intellectually honest with yourself.

Nope Palin raised Oil Taxes

It was her tax plan:

Senate votes to raise oil tax rate to 22.5% (Anchorage Daily News, April 25, 2006)
Palin offers oil tax plan for session in Juneau (Anchorage Daily News, September 5, 2007)

She signed the bill and raised oil taxes, those are the facts:

Alaska Raises Tax On Oil Profits To 25% (CBS News, November 17, 2007)
Alaska Gov. Palin signs bill to hike oil tax (Reuters, December 19, 2007)

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Have fun storming the castle

It amazes me how you can completely ignore facts contrary to your PDS.

No I have the facts

Best post yet

LMAOROTFCTLMAO!!!!!!!

Joe Friday maam, just the facts please.

This has earned sig status.

"I don't have time for this. You all can continue your co-dependency posts and make yourselves feel all chummy... Frankly, you all don't represent where America is going and you might as well get used to it."

--The Dooper

The facts, PT?

Rueters? CBS? WSJ? LAT? And my personal favorite, Wikkipinheadia?

Yeah, reliable sources all, those are.

Next thing ya know, you'll be citing Kos, D.U., Huffpo and KCNA as sources.

-Dave

Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.

I don't use Wikipedia

I'm surprised you didn't mention the Bridge to Nowhere...

Because a person by your viewpoint can't critically compare and re-evaluate.  Palin terminated the bridge to nowhere.  So by your logic, she should be condemned forever.  We actually had slavery in this country too, but I guess we should all be hung and shot because we changed our minds about that.  But don't let that get in the way of your 5 minutes hate.

"What you can not enforce, do not command" -Sophocles-

ROFLMAO! The Bridge to Nowhere? Are you Serious?

You are like a goldmine

The Pathological Lie of Sarah Palin (Video)
Palin backed 'bridge to nowhere' in 2006 (USA Today)
Palin "bridge to nowhere" line angers many Alaskans (Reuters)
Palin touts stance on 'Bridge to Nowhere,' doesn't note flip-flop (Anchorage Daily News)
ADN: "Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?"
PALIN: "Yes." - (Anchorage Daily News, 2006)

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LEAD BOTTOM

And the hits from the MSM keep coming. I love the way things are put in context. It's like reading headlines from newspapers as they are thrown from a kid's bike. Do you ask the question why anymore?

 

"I don't have time for this. You all can continue your co-dependency posts and make yourselves feel all chummy... Frankly, you all don't represent where America is going and you might as well get used to it."

--The Dooper

A Brat with a BB gun

"It's like reading headlines from newspapers as they are thrown from a kid's bike."

When it comes to Palin and public office, Pop acts like a little brat armed with a BB gun who's trying to pop everyone's balloon because he doesn't have one of his own.

How'd that Barr/Root ticket work out for you, Pop?

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities
of Citizens in the several States.

The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

Sarah Palin is a FIRST CLASS Woman & Governor!

I agree that women in the media and political world who have CHOSEN to ignore the natural instincts of 'family' and 'motherhood' in favor of careers are insanely jealous of her.  She is living proof that you don't have to throw your desires for a family 'under the bus' in order to succeed. 

She most certainly did not deserve the contemptuous treatment by Charlie Gibson, Katie Couric or the scurrying reporters trying their best to dig up 'something' 'anything' in every corner of Alaska.  I hold the msm, from the top anchors on down to the cub reporters, as well as all liberal press in such low regard because of the way they treated this woman.

I wish her well - and hope she will continue to run the state of Alaska successfully for many years to come.  There will always be time for a national run later in life - but only IF she so chooses!  Were I in her shoes, I'd continue to show the rest of the United States 'how to run a state effectively' and stay right there - enjoying governing people who still have the values on which our country was founded while allowing her family to live amidst the positive lifestyle and extraordinary beauty of Alaska!   

What's the old saying...'be careful what you wish for' - when you have it all, who needs Washington?  I don't think she will ever be treated with respect by the media or political insiders.  As for the rest of us 'plain folks' - she will always be welcome! 

I'm looking forward to seeing this movie...and we'll try to find it the first week to help with the first week statistics.  We enjoyed An American Carol and at the end of that movie, the audience (yes, even in Massachusetts!) stood up and applauded.  Conservatives are starved for movies that will give us hope.  The liberal Hollywood set is determined to send us nothing but negative 'Hate America' films.

It is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue. ~ Sam Adams

Thanks Noel for the

Thanks Noel for the heads-up on this one. This should be a refreshing look at Sarah, and I hope without any bias. Just tell it like it is, and let the truth fall where it should. Something tells me that Sarah will do just fine and dandy!

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Thank You

Thank for the interview with John Zielger.  It was very informative and now I can't wait for the documentary to be released on DVD so I can add to my collection.

 

Thanks again.

 

Unfortunately this thread will now be hijacked by a certain individual.

As a Los Angeles-area

As a Los Angeles-area resident, I was an avid listener of John Ziegler and his sidekick Leah Brandon when he was at KFI 640 radio in Los Angeles. You could always count on John to tell it like it was. 

I was saddened when he left KFI, and am happy that he has reestablished himself as a filmmaker. However, I don't believe John is a "conservative" filmmaker. He used to say that he was a libertarian, rather than a conservative.

You can read about his experience at KFI, and the backstabbing that went on there here.

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I think he claimed to be

I think he claimed to be "more libertarian than conservative, more conservative than liberal and more cynical and skeptical than anything else".

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Exactly!

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