A cartoon using the bizarre story of a recently killed pet chimpanzee to depict how terrible the just-enacted economic stimulus package is has drawn the ire of media outlets around the world.
Appearing in Wednesday's New York Post, the cartoon (full version available here) shows police officers shooting a chimpanzee with one commenting, "They'll have to find someone else to write the next stimulus bill."
For those missing the reference, a pet chimpanzee was shot to death by police in Connecticut earlier this week when it mysteriously attacked a friend of the owner's.
Media aren't laughing:
- At its most benign, the cartoon suggests that the stimulus bill was so bad, monkeys may as well have written it. Others believe it compares the president to a rabid chimp. Either way, the incorporation of violence and (on a darker level) race into politics is bound to be controversial. Perhaps that's what Delonas wanted. -- Huffington Post
- But the caption cast the cartoon in a more sinister light. "They'll have to find someone else to write the next stimulus bill," it read, prompting accusations that the Post was peddling a longstanding racist slur by portraying president Barack Obama, who signed the bill into law yesterday, as an ape. -- UK Guardian
- A prominent New York newspaper has been accused of racism over a cartoon comparing the administration of Barack Obama to a mad chimpanzee. -- UK Telegraph
- A political cartoon appearing on p. 12 of the New York Post on Wednesday and on its Web site likens the author of the stimulus bill, perhaps a racial reference to President Barack Obama, with a rabid chimpanzee. In the cartoon, two policemen holding guns stand over the dead, bleeding body of the ape (a nod to the chimp that attacked a woman earlier this week in Stamford, Conn., before it was killed). -- E&P
- NY cartoon appears to link Obama to dead chimp -- AP
It's certainly going to be interesting to watch how this gets played on television in the next 24 hours, especially by MSNBC.
That said, what do you think? Is this cartoon over the top or a good satire given all the attention the Post has paid to the chimp story?
Before answering, here's what Post Editor-in-Chief Col Allan said: "The cartoon is a clear parody of a current news event, to wit the shooting of a violent chimpanzee in Connecticut. It broadly mocks Washington's efforts to revive the economy."
Bonus questions: If Obama was white, would media be so upset? Or what if Bush was still President, and he signed porkulus, would there be any outrage over this?
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As I said elsewhere, it was
February 18, 2009 - 18:01 ET by balboaAs I said elsewhere, it was a poor decision by the cartoonist, but I don't know that it makes him racist. Just "zany," "ballsy," "cutting edge," blah blah blah.
I'm sure he knew darn well the attention this would get him.
→ Agreed
February 18, 2009 - 18:05 ET by Cool ArrowI can't get inside the guy's head, but he should have seen the possible controversy.
Yes. All the things said
February 18, 2009 - 18:11 ET by danboYes. All the things said about W were just political comentary.
This is different.
The paper should appologize to all chimps for associating them with democRATS.
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Tasteless, not racist, and
February 19, 2009 - 07:09 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsTasteless, not racist, and not even funny, poor monkey. Could have done better with a 'Stimulus bill, so easy a caveman could write it' type cartoon. Now, can I still call Obama Chimpy McDumbo?
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Stimulus writer(s)
February 19, 2009 - 13:26 ET by texasborngrannyIf memory serves, O didn't wright, uh write, the stimulus... that was done by nancy (i got to go to italy) pelosi and h reid. Wright? oops, did it again. Right?
→ Way to go Post
February 18, 2009 - 18:02 ET by Cool ArrowI think the cartoon and caption are in bad taste from a political standpoint.
The chimp story as a standalone is nothing to joke about either.
wow
February 18, 2009 - 18:03 ET by scotthThe moment I saw the cartoon(before see the outrage of the left,) I thought of the chimp being killed in Connecticut. Didn't take much thinking. The cops shot a 'rabid' chimp who wrote the stimulus bill.
People who WANT to see racism will ALWAYS see racism.
"People who WANT to see
February 18, 2009 - 18:13 ET by MichelleC"People who WANT to see racism will ALWAYS see racism."
Bingo! While the cartoon may be in somewhat bad taste considering the recent attack by a chimpanzee, there are those of us who think the stimulus was written by monkeys. I'll admit it did make me chuckle.
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That's the point dingbat...
February 19, 2009 - 04:05 ET by ImAllRightThink this one through smart one, you said,
"While the cartoon may be in somewhat bad taste considering the recent attack by a chimpanzee, there are those of us who think the stimulus was written by monkeys. "
And let's see..."monkey" has been a term to negatively describe black people for ohhhh about 70-80 years now, and many would say that this new socialist bill was "written" (enacted, advertised by, spoken about) by Barack Obama.
Talk about missing the point.
Some of you truly are just an embarrassment to all of us.
With that said, I don't think its blatant racism, just obvious stoooopidityityity.
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Talk about missing the point
February 19, 2009 - 04:22 ET by cocodrieTalk about missing the point
Get off the left-wing racist bus and enjoy the cartoon. Try to enjoy life a little.
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""monkey" has been a term
February 19, 2009 - 11:40 ET by Cortillaen""monkey" has been a term to negatively describe black people for ohhhh about 70-80 years now"
That's news to me. I've never seen or heard "monkey" or "ape" used in reference to skin color. Attitude and body shape, yes, but not skin color. I get the impression that this particular metaphor died out of popular knowledge some decades ago, thereby failing to intrude on the cartoonist's awareness, and the media is trying to revive it just to make a spectacle out of nothing.
www.daybydaycartoon.... Proving that conservative comedy is very real.
"With your mind as high as Mt. Fuji you can see all things clearly. And you can see all the forces that shape events; not just the things near to you." - Miyamoto Musashi
→ Monkey metaphor
February 19, 2009 - 11:50 ET by Cool ArrowDoes this mean we can make "coon" jokes now?
How long since you last heard the word "kike"?
Let's just let it all hang out, and play like we have absolutely no clue what all the fuss is about.
I don't think it's outside the scope of conservative thought to realize there are some terms that are offensive to ethnic groups. When that line is crossed, however unknowingly, an apology is in order.
For crying out loud!!!
February 19, 2009 - 12:10 ET by mizflame98You know, racism isn't going to die if we always perceive some racist bent in everything. Maybe the next time this cartoonist gets an idea he should have this website at the ready for fear of unintentionally insulting someone. Trust me, it looks like almost every word in the english language can be considered racist per the website.
"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot
CA
February 19, 2009 - 12:10 ET by BlondeI really can't get all hot and bothered about this "monkey business".
Really, it was fine for the left to carry on about Chimpy Bush McHitler, etc. for eight years, but this is off limits? Sauce for the goose, and all that.
Some people are just too easily offended, or make it a point to be offended (Sharpton, et. al.). Get over it already (and I won't even get into Holder, sheesh!).
The cartoon is spot-on, particularly in light of the recent news. I suppose had there been an outbreak of amoebic dysintary he could have used an amoeba to good effect, too. Those dolts in Congress could certainly be called amoebas. One cell, no brain.
Oh Cool...you and your
February 19, 2009 - 12:11 ET by JasonCOh Cool...you and your common sense.
I think it is absolutely
February 19, 2009 - 13:32 ET by CortillaenI think it is absolutely outside the scope of rational thought to feel any need to apologize for someone misinterpreting your statement. In fact, I find it idiotic. If we are to permanently stigmatize words or images because they have at some time been used in a derogatory manner, we'll be apologizing to someone every other sentence.
Look, my take is the same principle I live by: I don't go out of my way to avoid offending someone any more than I go out of my way to offend them, and if they feel offended by something I said, that's their problem, not mine. If this cartoonist was simply going for the "mad chimp in the news + legislation so bad a monkey could have written it" angle, then there is nothing for which to apologize. If someone perceives an unintended racial slur, they need to have a proctologist remove that stick. I refuse to condemn anything on the basis of "some people find it offensive" so long as any perceived slight was not the purpose. There are several good examples of where that road leads.
If, on the other hand, there was admitted intent to use a slur, an apology is certainly in order, albeit not compulsory. If the cartoonist says that he intended to draw a parallel between Obama and the chimp relating to some old, racist metaphor (rather than, say, "one of the thousand monkeys on a thousand typewriters" or some such), then he should apologize or face career-damaging public opinion.
For the moment, it appears that the media has decided they know this cartoonist's motives, and entirely too many people are jumping on the lynching bandwagon. Until someone can show me evidence or an admission that the cartoonist intended a racial slur, I give him the benefit of the doubt. Innocent until proven guilty and all that...
www.daybydaycartoon.... Proving that conservative comedy is very real.
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→ Try this cortillaen
February 19, 2009 - 15:36 ET by Cool ArrowI'll borrow from "American Graffiti"
Suppose you're at your high school reunion having a conversation with a good-looking woman you went to school with. Just as your wife walks within earshot you're saying to the woman "I don't see Mike Hunt anywhere"
It's possible your wife might get upset, misunderstanding what was said and what she understood.
If you think it's not necessary to say "I'm sorry honey, I graduated with Mike. I didn't mean what you heard"
If you don't think that would be necessary, we live in different worlds.
And BTW, I did go to school with an individual with that name.
CA
February 19, 2009 - 17:46 ET by Noel SheppardCA,
That wasn't "American Graffiti." It was "Porky's." :-) ns
Unfortunately, you're
February 19, 2009 - 18:34 ET by CortillaenUnfortunately, you're saying one thing and giving an example of two. I find the "I'm sorry honey" part completely unnecessary. Explaining what was actually said, however, is certainly is in your best interest. There's a considerable difference between explaining the reality of a situation and apologizing for a fantasy.
www.daybydaycartoon.... Proving that conservative comedy is very real.
"With your mind as high as Mt. Fuji you can see all things clearly. And you can see all the forces that shape events; not just the things near to you." - Miyamoto Musashi
→ I disagree cort
February 20, 2009 - 08:41 ET by Cool ArrowIf you'll scroll up, my comment was;
When that line is crossed, however unknowingly,
Now, let's dig up the definition of apology.
apology: An acknowledgment expressing regret or asking pardon for a fault or offense.
Was somebody offended? Yes. Does the definition demand the offense be intended? No.
You insult me with
February 20, 2009 - 14:53 ET by CortillaenYou insult me with incorrect "you misread"s and utterly irrelevant definition games. By your reasoning, you should now apologize to me, no? Then I will take offense to your apology, requiring you to apologize again, and so on ad nauseum. Allowing the "offended" to decide when apology is needed is moronic at best.
You see, I draw the line between reality and fantasy. I will not apologize to someone because they made a mistake (or engage in self-delusion) and believe in something that is false. That is their own problem, not mine. Likewise, I do not find it incumbent upon anyone else to act differently.
Put as simply as possible, if an insult was real, it demands an apology, but if the insult was imagined, explanation serves better. The definition of an apology enters into the equation nowhere.
The question is "When is an apology needed?" My answer is, "When there was an insult." Your answer appears to be, "Whenever someone feels insulted." It's the classic rational vs.emotional situation, and I'm on the side of reason, mon ami.
www.daybydaycartoon.... Proving that conservative comedy is very real.
"With your mind as high as Mt. Fuji you can see all things clearly. And you can see all the forces that shape events; not just the things near to you." - Miyamoto Musashi
→ I'm sorry cort
February 20, 2009 - 14:56 ET by Cool ArrowI didn't mean to insult you, but I'm sorry you took it that way.
There. You get your apology, and I win the debate.
You know, it's odd... you
February 20, 2009 - 15:49 ET by CortillaenYou know, it's odd... you aren't one of the people I expected to be using this line against: Claiming victory rather than addressing points is a sign of inability to do so.
If you honestly thought I was demanding an apology, you've utterly missed the point. Anyway, I'll take your refusal/inability to address anything beyond my first two sentences as the acknowledgment of everything else, including that your position is one of emotion instead of rational thought.
That said, this isn't a debate that can be won or lost as there is no right or wrong in the situation beyond that decided in each individual's mind. If you want to hold to an emotional position, I have no means to assail that. Likewise, using emotional anecdotes to try my position born of reason is equally futile. The only victory to be had is mine in making clear the source for each of our positions. Reason can succeed only when there is clarity, but emotionalism thrives on chaos.
You can keep your phantom victory.
www.daybydaycartoon.... Proving that conservative comedy is very real.
"With your mind as high as Mt. Fuji you can see all things clearly. And you can see all the forces that shape events; not just the things near to you." - Miyamoto Musashi
→ That's incongruous
February 20, 2009 - 18:59 ET by Cool ArrowYou feel insulted when I don't think I insulted you.
This is proof there's more to insults than intent.
At this point, I think it's something you should deal with?
In the world I grew up in, the reference to blacks as chimps and monkeys, though not prevalent, is certainly known.
If you are telling me you don't remember Howard Cosell's reference to Alvin Garrett (Wash Redskins) as "that little monkey", and the uproar that followed, that's fine. But the references, and resultant indignation, really did, and do, happen.
And you can keep my heartfelt apology.
The best part...
February 18, 2009 - 18:12 ET by mizflame98...about this cartoon is not the cartoon itself, but the ignorant responses from the media as well as the ignorant comments from Al Sharpton or any other dolt that left responses on the Huff Po.
Quick civics lesson:
Obama didn't write the stimulus bill, Rep. David Obey sponsored the bill and the 9 cosponsors are:
Barney Frank (Most likely to resemble a mad ape, IMO)
George Miller
Charles Rangel
Edolphus Towns
Henry Waxman
Bart Gordon
James Oberstar
John Spratt
Nydia Velazquez
Their staff put this craptastic bill together. If anything, that chimp represents the monkeys in congress that wrote the bill.
As usual, if you have a dissenting opinion or if anyone creates a political cartoon that goes against The One's philosophy, then it's racism. Liberals are not only ignorant, but they're predictable.
"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot
Great civic lesson
February 18, 2009 - 18:12 ET by ArminiusThe posters at the Huffington Post could use another: Criticizing Democrats is not treason. Many of the HP posters are essentially calling for another Sedition Act.
And their faux indignation
February 18, 2009 - 18:15 ET by danboAnd their faux indignation rings hollow.
When Brinkley quipped that Clinton never had an original thought in his life. The media went nuts. But when W was in....
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~That was the first thing
February 18, 2009 - 18:28 ET by choselife3xI thought. It never occurred to me that the cartoonist was referring to Obama. Obama didn't write the bill.
Wasn't Bush repeatedly called something like 'Chimpy McHitler' or something similar?
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
True...
February 19, 2009 - 04:10 ET by ImAllRightBO did not write the bill, but he was the standard for anytime the bill was trotted out in front of the public. He was the main force behind it.
Either the cartoonist had a total brain fart or he/she is not too bright.
I'm going with the former and assuming that he/she did not consider that Obama was in effect the spokesperson who "wrote" the bill.
I understand where the outrage is coming from, and to a degree it is just.
However, I'm not one to jump on that bandwagon and I'll chalk this up to an innocent yet VERY stupid mistake.
"Democracy is worth dying for, because it's the most deeply honorable form of government ever devised by man." - Ronald Reagan
I'm sure I could do some
February 19, 2009 - 08:37 ET by JasonCI'm sure I could do some Googling and find references to Chimpy McHitler by random DK and DU posters, so please don't bother doing so for me, but up until now, I have never encountered anybody using that name for Bush other than angry conservatives accusing liberals of doing so.
JC
February 19, 2009 - 10:44 ET by Noel SheppardJC,
Are you joking? "Chimpy McHitler" gets 1330 Google hits INCLUDING its own section at Wonkette: http://wonkette.com/tag/chimpy-mchitler-dept. ns
You should have quit while
February 19, 2009 - 11:29 ET by Roger the ShrubberYou should have quit while you thought you were ahead.
Yep.
Should have.
RTS and NS, Wait, Rog,
February 19, 2009 - 11:45 ET by JasonCRTS and NS,
Wait, Rog, when would that have been?
As I said, I don't deny that representations like that are out there. Created by...whom, exactly? Malcontents with too much time on their hands, just like the DK and DU posters I mentioned. Those are not images that I would expect to see published and tacitly endorsed by a major media outlet, not even one as hacky and lowbrow as the Post.
Anyway, I guess my not having seen those before is just a testament to my commitment to only patronize high quality political websites.
I have never encountered
February 19, 2009 - 12:50 ET by Roger the ShrubberI have never encountered anybody using that name for Bush other than angry conservatives accusing liberals of doing so.
Your words, Sparky, not mine. You can't even hold your own on a crappy, low-quality political website like this. do you honestly think you can play with the high-quailty ones?
You have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting. You may go now.
Great civics lesson
February 18, 2009 - 19:44 ET by AnotherMikeNow tell me how many people who read a tabloid magazine with Jennifer Aniston on the cover actually know who wrote the spending bill...
The point is that however you feel about it, Obama has taken ownership of the bill, to where he held a media event in Denver to sign it publicly. The majority of the world associates the president with the bill, especially when it's criticized.
I get the point you're trying to make, but come on... Just admit the guy was trying to be controversial by using a thinly-veiled racist joke. It's not just the 'far left' that's calling attention to this in protest.
Oh Puleeze!
February 18, 2009 - 20:19 ET by mizflame98It doesn't matter how many tabloid readers know who wrote a spending bill. If the MSM was doing their job instead of stirring up gossip, then the cartoon would be a non-racial issue.
I can't admit that this cartoonist was trying to be controversial by using a thinly-vieled racist joke because there is no evidence that was his intention. I'm not a mind reader and neither are you, but unlike you I don't automatically assume someone is racist. I tend to give people the benifit of the doubt.
Now, I would really be interested to find out who else besides the far left is calling attention to this and having a fit about it. Let me know when you have a chance please.
Thanks.
"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot
Puleeze?
February 18, 2009 - 20:44 ET by AnotherMikeThe intention of an illustrator is to convey a message by, in this case, one stand-alone image in The New York Post... Which had to go through at least a couple of editors before it went to print. To say it wasn't intentional is naive.
I'm not assuming he's a racist. I'm saying this was a racial joke, which can be funny, in my opinion. Not black or white or any other race specifically, but in general. I'm not even saying this didn't make me laugh, in that groaner-joke way. But it was a racial joke. Find it funny or not, it was.
And what possible media outlet would you give as an example that doesn't lean one way or the other? I site examples and you call them biased... This IS NewsBusters.
Ok,
February 18, 2009 - 20:53 ET by mizflame98You're assuming what the message might be. Like I said, I'm giving this guy the benifit of the doubt here. There is no proof that this was suppose to be a racial joke. To say that this was intentionally a racist joke is quite foolish.
Now, I have to say that your last paragraph made absolutely no sense so I'm just going to let that one go.
"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot
And there's no proof "The
February 18, 2009 - 21:33 ET by AnotherMikeAnd there's no proof "The Family Circle" is comedic in nature.
I'm bored too.
Cheers
It's not a racist joke
February 18, 2009 - 21:57 ET by mgschietJust look at the way it's worded. It doesn't say who'll "sign" the next stimulus bill. It asks who will "write" the next bill. People just want to see racism. But if you actually read the cartoon for what it says...
mizflame
February 20, 2009 - 20:36 ET by BO STINKSSpot on! Making assumptions that someone is a racist is a HUGE indicator that the one ASSuming isn't too bright. They one who always assumes racism, can't seem to think very deeply beyond their own skewed perceptions and prejudices. Methinks they do protest too much!
"If your cause is just, if your principles are pure & if your conduct is prudent you need not fear the multitude of opposing hosts." John Witherspoon
Don't Forget...
February 21, 2009 - 09:31 ET by Wildcatter1980...who the Speaker of the House is...Nancy Pelosi-D, CA.
--
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. From time to time we've been tempted to believe that society has become too complex to be managed by self-rule, that government by an elite group is superior to government for, by, and of the people. Well, if no one among us is capable of governing himself, then who among us has the capacity to govern someone else? All of us together, in and out of government, must bear the burden. The solutions we seek must be equitable, with no one group singled out to pay a higher price. - Ronald Reagan from his first inaugural address
Well, excuuuuuuse me,
February 18, 2009 - 18:07 ET by Jarhead68...but I cannot see how this can be interpreted as a parody of a current news event. What does a maniacal chimp being killed by the cops have to do with the Porkulus bill? Why even mention the stimulus in that cartoon? Where'd the author come up with that lame idea? It's really insulting to all chimps to compare them to The Fraudulent One. Racist? Maybe, maybe not.
→ Good point Jarhead
February 18, 2009 - 18:11 ET by Cool ArrowThe square peg meets round hole essence of it draws one to look for other imagery.
I'm pretty sold on the cartoonist having looked for some kind of connection between the Obama administration and chimps.
I don't like it.
Much ado about nothing
February 18, 2009 - 18:09 ET by ArminiusIt's my understanding that Nancy Pelosi and other far-left Democrats in Congress, and not Obama, wrote the so-called stimulus bill. Therefore, how can the cartoon be a reference to Obama?
Reportedly, the chimpanzee may have had Lyme disease and, therefore, he had a deteriorated mental state. The cartoon is clearly referring to the growing perception that the so-called stimulus bill could have only been written by people in a similar state of mind.
This is going to be the Left's template for the next four years. Any criticism or perceived criticism of the Messiah is going to be met with cries of racism from his media myrmidons.
Still, the use of a monkey
February 18, 2009 - 19:43 ET by balboaStill, the use of a monkey to draw comparisons to a bill a black president is involved with...that's just asking for trouble.
And as I said, I'm sure he knew it and that's why he did it.
Bal, Barack Obama is not
February 18, 2009 - 19:49 ET by reality vs libsBal, Barack Obama is not black. period.
"Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong."
Calvin Coolidge
[groan] Fine, anyone who's
February 18, 2009 - 20:12 ET by balboa[groan]
Fine, anyone who's _partially_ black. Happy, pappy?
Ignorance
February 18, 2009 - 20:39 ET by ArminiusFirst, a chimpanzee is an ape, not a monkey. And, once again, Obama did not write the so-called stimulus bill.
That doesn't change
February 19, 2009 - 10:40 ET by balboaThat doesn't change anything.
§ Thanks Noel!! Political Censorship??
February 18, 2009 - 18:11 ET by TheSterBefore the Libs here go NUTS like on Huffpost and MSNBC, lets remember the "Outrage" they felt when Cartoons of Condi Rice depicting her as a Parrot with Big Lips, etc.
As you read this....there are Boycotts against the NY Post...
...a Rally and Protest is scheduled for Thursday...
...Al Sharpton is ALL OVER this...
...the LIBS are already linking this to the GOP and Fox News ( Rupert Murdock )...Shocking!!!
Is this a shot across the bow of any criticism of Obama??? I think so!!!
Ster.
My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.
The gauntlet has been thrown down.
February 18, 2009 - 18:22 ET by mizflame98The NY Post isn't backing down on this one:
In a statement, Post Editor-in-Chief Col Allan said: "The cartoon is a clear parody of a current news event, to wit the shooting of a violent chimpanzee in Connecticut. It broadly mocks Washington's efforts to revive the economy. Again, Al Sharpton reveals himself as nothing more than a publicity opportunist."
Waiting for Rev. Al's reply...
"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot
§ Miz...Sheister is going NUTS!!
February 18, 2009 - 18:35 ET by TheSterHe has Sam Stein of Huffpost and Baratunde Thurston of JackandJillPolitics.com on YELLING about Racism!!!
Shocking!!
Al Sharpton has been on MSNBC at least TWICE and CNN once already!!
Ster.
My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.
Ster... Would you expect
February 18, 2009 - 18:39 ET by bigtimerSter...
Would you expect anything else form CNN and msnbc?
Jackson and Sharpton the two biggest hustlers there are, are really someone to draw to.
I swear..if any of the repubs back down over this, as if IT IS racist...I am going to scream.
Enough is enough with this.
§ Bt...I'm Gonna "Twitter" Sheister!!!
February 18, 2009 - 18:44 ET by TheSterI know it will be a waste of time but it will be a good way to practice my CRAPPY typing speed...and POUND some LIBS at the same time!!!
Ster.
My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.
Ster...Go for IT!!
February 18, 2009 - 18:45 ET by bigtimerSter...Go for IT!!
I saw this earlier and
February 18, 2009 - 18:13 ET by bigtimerI saw this earlier and laughed out loud...leave it to the left to make something racist and sinister out of this...they are and have been attempting to control any political cartoon...unless it is one of their own that they agree with...
Anyone remember the cartoons of Condi?
Talk about horrendous.
I took this as I thought was intended, monkeys wrote the Strangulation Bill...and that is exactly what the bill is doing to our freedom and the free market...
BT: Anyone remember the
February 18, 2009 - 19:27 ET by general companyBT: Anyone remember the cartoons of Condi?
Perfect parody BT, that was a clear comparison and nothing from these leaches.
Media aren't laughing:
Good,
* At its most benign, the cartoon suggests that the stimulus bill was so bad, monkeys may as well have written it. Others believe it compares the president to a rabid chimp.
It is an outstanding example of how we are represented. And no it isn't racist either.
Bonus questions: If Obama was white, would media be so upset? Or what if Bush was still President, and he signed porkulus, would there be any outrage over this?
They would be to busy laughing to notice any double standard. Best part about this whole story, more folks probably saw it because of the righteous indignation then saw it in the Post.
It was a shame about the chimp and the poor woman who it mauled, just a shame, I am sad for both of them.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Hi gc... Anybody with a
February 18, 2009 - 19:39 ET by bigtimerHi gc...
Anybody with a heart felt for the whole horrible situation with the chimp, owner and of course her friend... I'm just tired of all the constant racist this and racist that...this is intentional...and it gets old.
That never once entered my mind...I see where some on the left already have their talking points in about this...they do not want to make the point about the absurdity of the leftist clowns that wrote and crammed this 1000 page or so bill down our throats...instead they intentionally miss they point of the cartoon and make it all about racism.
This being in the NYP of course had nothing to do with this sudden outrage.
Oh well, I am getting used to this.
what if Bush was compared to a chimp?
February 18, 2009 - 18:14 ET by katainkentlike this? or... this? or wait... what if someone made a whole website about it?
*crickets*
This is Racism
February 18, 2009 - 18:38 ET by bradbenj5952That last site did it for me. I'm offended now. As a white guy, I deeply resent being likened to an ape. This is racism...racism...I tell ya. </sarcasm off> This is the principle problem with liberals...their minds never really matured past the 2nd grade level...and now they are in charge!
"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." Acts 16:31
Yes
February 18, 2009 - 19:18 ET by txcoKatain----you nailed it...I guess it's not so funny when your chimpanzee is getting gored!!!
Wow KandK
February 18, 2009 - 19:36 ET by general companyDid you notice this link on the chimp site, bet you buisiness has just screeched to a halt
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
LOL-Hey, don't look at me...
February 18, 2009 - 18:17 ET by R D Helm...all I suggested yesterday was that the people who wrote that hidious bill be covered with molasses and staked to a huge fire ant hill. :-)
And no, I don't think that bill was written by a chimp, as a chimp is nowhere near evil enough to have come up with something that horrible.
No, that bill was written by the daughter of Satan himself. :-^)
-Dave
Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.
The criticism is justified
February 18, 2009 - 18:19 ET by JasonCThe criticism is justified and has been, for the most part, even-handedly dispensed. What possible connection is there to be made between the chimp and the signing of the bill. The very blatant implication is that Obama should be associated with the dead animal. Really...is there any other way to read this?
And no, it would not be the same if this was done about Bush - it would be equally irreverent and non sequiturish, but it would not have the deeply racist undertone that it does now.
Let me answer this real quick.
February 18, 2009 - 18:30 ET by mizflame98The very blatant implication is that Obama should be associated with the dead animal. Really...is there any other way to read this?
Yes there is. Since Obama didn't write the bill, it's silly to read into it that the dead chimp represents Obama. If it would represent anyone it would be Congressman Obey.
"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot
Oh please. Obama is
February 18, 2009 - 20:20 ET by JasonCOh please. Obama is obviously linked with this bill more than anyone else. It would be like comparing a dead monkey to the decision to invade Iraq and claiming it's not about Bush.
Are you for real?
February 18, 2009 - 20:25 ET by mizflame98That has to be the dumbest analogy yet. Listen, just because people are too ignorant to realize that a president doesn't write bills but members of congress doesn't make this a racist cartoon.
"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot
How many times did liberals
February 18, 2009 - 20:35 ET by mostlymoderateHow many times did liberals compare Bush to a little monkey? Therefore, obviously monkey's are not synonymous to black's, right? Or is it ok to say Bush looks like a monkey but Obama doesn't? When clearly, one of them has those big ears that stick out? Political correctness needs to die.
Complaining of racism has NOTHING to do with having your feelings hurt and has EVERYTHING to do with asserting privilege and power. Black 'leaders' like Sharpton feed on this stuff and don't have a job if they don't create racism.
→ OK
February 18, 2009 - 20:39 ET by Cool ArrowExcept there's never been any widespread claim by blacks that whites are a lower life form.
I see a distinction.
Yeah, and unfortunately we
February 18, 2009 - 20:48 ET by mostlymoderateYeah, and unfortunately we will never get passed it. Never. Even though you and I probably never see race as being relevant to anything in our daily lives.
→ I see it moderate
February 18, 2009 - 20:55 ET by Cool ArrowIn my own life, I have to ask myself if I'm being too hard on Henrietta Hughes because she fills completely, a stereotype I've been conditioned to accept as the consummate Welfare Mother.
A 37 yr. old son, whom she still takes care of, disability payments, sold property in 2005 for $45,000, and lost her house anyway?
Yes, I'd be lying if I said there aren't stereotypes I struggle with.
the funny thing about stereotypes...
February 18, 2009 - 20:59 ET by mizflame98...they usually have a grain of truth to them.
"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot
→ Maybe so
February 18, 2009 - 21:04 ET by Cool ArrowBut the Dufus white boy working at McDonalds was there standing before Obama begging for stuff he didn't deserve either.
I could have gone off on a rant abouyt him, but hit Henrietta instead.
Well...
February 18, 2009 - 21:13 ET by mizflame98Dufus white boy has a job, wasn't supporting a grown unemployed kid with a college degree, and as far as we know he doesn't have a reoccuring habit of sponging off the system.
Actually, dufus also fits into a stereotype. He's 19, a college student, and a guy; so he's the clueless college kid.
"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot
→ Grant you that
February 18, 2009 - 21:23 ET by Cool ArrowSo on to the white woman mouthing "I love you Barack" as the President gave Henrietta a hug.
Spike Lee might call it "Jungle Fever".
See, what I just did? I prefaced (and attempted to legitimize) my snarky remark with a clear reference to a black man's film.
I might ask myself why I find it necessary to seek cover.
I might have witheld this observation except I think it's somehow (though I'm not sure how) important.
Oh, I can get snarkier.
February 18, 2009 - 21:38 ET by mizflame98That white woman mouthing I love you, Barack is having one of those sexual fantasies that was printed in the NY Times. You know, imagining Obama as Mandingo or something.
"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot
oooooh, that image makes me...
February 18, 2009 - 21:49 ET by clinging to my guns and my religion...need to seek out my toilet bowl!!
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
LMAO!!!
February 18, 2009 - 22:17 ET by mizflame98I'm the master of gross!!!
"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot
Not to mention mizflame,
February 18, 2009 - 21:55 ET by BlazerNot to mention mizflame, that woman that was mouthing I love you Barack is also the same type of woman that Obama claimed he had much disdain for in Dreams Of My Father. She would no doubt, like he claimed his mother was, attracted to the color of the man, but not the man. His mother was totally tantalized and obsessed with the movie Black Orpheus.
The movie was considered exotic because it was filmed in Brazil, but it
was written and directed by a white Frenchmen. The result was sentimental
and, to some modern eyes, patronizing. Years later Obama saw the film
with his mother and thought about walking out"I suddenly realized," he wrote in his memoir, Dreams
from My Father, "that the depiction of childlike blacks I was now
seeing on the screen ... was what my mother had carried with her to
Hawaii all those years before, a reflection of the simple fantasies
that had been forbidden to a white middle-class girl from Kansas, the
promise of another life, warm, sensual, exotic, different."...
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
That's It Exactly!!
February 18, 2009 - 22:19 ET by mizflame98I almost forgot about that part. I was so pissed off when I read that. My husband thought I was posessed. I just wanted to cuss him out for thinking of his mother as some woman that hooked up with his dad simply because she wanted to experience some dark lovin'.
"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot
I just wanted to cuss him
February 18, 2009 - 22:29 ET by BlazerI just wanted to cuss him out for thinking of his mother as some woman
that hooked up with his dad simply because she wanted to experience
some dark lovin'.
Some dark lovin', some Indonesian lovin' , either way, even Obama saw his mother as someone who was sexually enthralled and attacted to skin tone, but not the character or the substance of the individual, and it really disgusted him.
Maybe this is the one conservative trait of The One.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
that's the most ironic statement i've read in quite some time!
February 18, 2009 - 22:33 ET by clinging to my guns and my religion"...sexually enthralled and attacted to skin tone, but not the character or the substance of the individual, and it really disgusted him."
wow!!!
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
Not really,...... if you
February 18, 2009 - 22:45 ET by BlazerNot really,...... if you think about it.. How many times did you just have to have that Pinto or Gremlin just because it was painted candy-apple-red or had racing stripes.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
~No matter which way
February 18, 2009 - 22:42 ET by choselife3xYou slice it, his mother was MESSED UP. And messed up people are drawn to OTHER messed up people. Then they mess their kids up.
And some 60 million messed up people voted him into office.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
no doubt!
February 18, 2009 - 22:48 ET by clinging to my guns and my religionfunny, he wasn't so disgusted by her messed-up behavior that it prevented him from exploiting that same type of behavior in millions of others in order to get himself elected!
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
~Clinging
February 18, 2009 - 23:04 ET by choselife3xEzzzactly!!
What a manipulative, power-hungry opportunist.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
he's an opportunist who's willing to throw...
February 18, 2009 - 23:14 ET by clinging to my guns and my religion...everyone, including his own mother and grandparents under the bus. you know what they say about buses, though: "there'll be another one along in five minutes." i only hope we can hold on until the bus with his name on it rolls up the street!
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
I think it's more than that.
February 18, 2009 - 22:47 ET by mizflame98He came off as really upset because he's a black man surrounded by white relatives. How can you be a legitimate angry black man (who really had nothing to be angry about) when your not emersed in the black experience. When he was a community organizer, he hid his backgroud because he knew that he wouldn't fit in with the other blacks in the projects. He try to hide his upbringing from the other millitant blacks when he was in Occidental for the same reason. He was ashamed to be half white and he lashed out and talked badly about his grandparents who raised him & his mother who helped raise him.
"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot
mizflame, I think your
February 18, 2009 - 23:06 ET by Blazermizflame, I think your missing it here. He's mullatto. Not hard to deduce he's half white with his features at all. In America it's a trait of a lot of the African American community through inbreeding since this countries inception.
However, it is not in Africa, and Obama senior was a Pan-African communist and racial purist, that believed the whole of Africa could attain a marxist Meccah that could rival the U.S.S.R or China.
Historically African's frown on and are murderous or rebellious to racially impure black's. One only has to look at Rwanda or Liberia or Obama's own cousin, Raila Odinga in Kenya or Mugabe's assault on the whites in his country to know this is true.
Obama's problem is that in his mind he is not racially pure. He doesn't know which group, blacks or whites he should identify with, but what he does wish is that he was one or the other, not both at the same time.
He is not a man that strives to his own expectations and is pleased by what he want's to be, but allows hmself to be twisted and contorted into what other's expect him to be.
In a way, i feel sorry for him. In a way.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
White boy? Not sure how "white bread" ol' Julio is.....
February 19, 2009 - 07:06 ET by thebutlerdiditi'm thinking South of the Border, myself. Funny thing about this cartoon, the guy who does them seems to be equal opportunity "offensive." He draws those who lean toward a homosexual bent with limp wrists, and wearing a tutu from the waist down. I checked to see if a few black conservatives that are in the biz had made any comments on the story, but didn't find anything. One seemed to thing it a non-story. Who exactly was offended? Black people, or white people for them? Or just the Justice Bros and HuffPo?
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
Feeling the need to perpetuate the stereotype
February 19, 2009 - 07:19 ET by thebutlerdiditThis lovely event took place in my home state of Bama. The name of this city is Montgomery. It has an extremely racist "nickname." It begins with the letters mon--- town. It has been called that for as long as I can remember. My grandfather told me that even called it that when he was a boy.
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/02/18/video-the-disgraceful-yet-hypnotic-alabama-high-school-basketbrawl/
I call it an embarassment.
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
Who gets to decide when we
February 19, 2009 - 08:29 ET by JasonCWho gets to decide when we should be "past it", when it becomes unacceptable for these issues to be raised ever again?
This reminds me of how some people take umbrage at young black men's use of the word n----r in casual conversation. I mean, the word is a relic of slavery and oppression perpetrated by white peopl, yet it's somehow our place to say "OK, enough of that word now, if making us uncomfortable; and besides, it's not fair you guys can use it and we can't"?
And...
February 19, 2009 - 11:47 ET by mizflame98Why shouldn't we take umbrage when only a select portion of our society gets to use an offensive word? There is nothing empowering for blacks to call each other that word while condemning whites for using the same word. If that word is so bad that it can't be fully spelled out or said without offending others, then the word should not be used.
"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot
Why shouldn't we take
February 19, 2009 - 12:16 ET by JasonCWhy shouldn't we take umbrage when only a select portion of our society gets to use an offensive word?
Just plain old historical/cultural reality, really. But no, wait, you can say it. No one's stopping you. But I'm sure you're fully aware of the likely socio-political consequences.
There is nothing empowering for blacks to call each other that word while condemning whites for using the same word.
Well, I think that's highly arguable. Lots of black scholars have written on this; Randall Kennedy's essay is generally the standard starting point: http://www.jstor.org...
And we can take as obvious evidence that many black people do indeed find it empowering to reclaim the word. And my point is that if (some) black people find it empowering and appropriate, it is hardly up to white people - that is, the group responsible for the insidious meaning of the term in the first place - to say "Ok, that's enough of that now."
So,
February 19, 2009 - 12:37 ET by mizflame98Just because a black scholar says it's OK for blacks to use the word then everyone else has no right to say the contrary? Who made these particular black scholars the voice of wisdom on offensive language? Also, what makes you think that it's only whites that take offense at that word? You act that since whites in the past used the word, then whites today who had nothing to do with said word has no right to be offended by it. That's poppycock!
"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot
I don't know if you
February 19, 2009 - 13:27 ET by JasonCI don't know if you actually read the article, but it's not about any particular black scholar conferring approval or disapproval on its usage; it's about treating it as something more complex, something that, indeed, carries highly different meanings depending on the speaker and the context.
White people have all the right in the world to find its usage offensive. But I don't think they're in a position to say that black people shouldn't use it if they so choose because they (the white people) don't believe it's empowering.
mizflame98, you have to realize that the left believes Obama...
February 18, 2009 - 20:34 ET by R D Helm...actually wrote that lunacy, or at the very least realize that illusion must be maintained for the legions of the dumbMasses who were tricked into voting for this imposter, anyway.
Hell, I doubt he even knows what is in it.
-Dave
Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.
LOL!
February 18, 2009 - 20:40 ET by mizflame98Hell, I doubt he even knows what is in it.
Which makes the fact that he staked claim for this craptastic bill all the more delicious.
"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot
Leave it to you
February 18, 2009 - 18:33 ET by bigtimerLeave it to you JasonC...you just cannot help yourself.
...and where you when it came to the various cartoons of Condi...eh?
Btw...in my opinion, and mine only, that was the furthest thing from my mind...that horrendous socialist bill was packed together by a bunch of jack-asses..if the cartoon wanted to us the chimp because it was relevant to what has been in the news the last two days to make their point, how in the hell can you use racism in this..unless you are searching high and low to bring up racism as an issue to Divide, Screech...and Conquer.
Not all accusations of
February 18, 2009 - 20:29 ET by JasonCNot all accusations of racism are shrill and unfounded. I posit that this cartoon compares Obama to a primate. You are free to disagree. But if we take my position, for the sake of argument, then we must involve the very problematic historic fact of racist ideology that compared black people to monkeys and other such less-evolved human ancestors.
Please produce for me, if you're going to raise this issue, a comic in which former Sec. of State Rice is likened to a monkey.
JasonC, This took about 30 sec to find, STFU
February 18, 2009 - 21:22 ET by upcountrywaterPlease produce for me, if you're going to raise this issue, a comic in which former Sec. of State Rice is likened to a monkey.
pURPLe pINKy
bless your heart, water
February 18, 2009 - 21:33 ET by clinging to my guns and my religionbut i think you wasted your thirty seconds. he won't get it, and even if he does, he'll try to make it seem like it's not what it is.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
ctmg... Bingo!
February 18, 2009 - 23:17 ET by bigtimerctmg...
Bingo!
Well obviously it would
February 19, 2009 - 08:33 ET by JasonCWell obviously it would have been prudent of me to specify "...in an American newspaper", since we're dealing with an insidious racial stereotype and its roots in 19th-century American culture. Seemed like a given to me, but I guess you have to choose your words carefully.
But go ahead and gloat; you found a cartoon in a Palestinian paper suggesting Condi is pregnant with a monkey. Well done.
"Step away from the kool-aid Jason!"
February 18, 2009 - 20:00 ET by RpeggioWhy do Liberals phrase their opinions in such a way that if you don't agree with them, you are either stupid or a racist? Jason, that's SO tired man. Life is much more beautiful and fun to live if you see the blue skies and good things around you, not pessimistic digging for racism. It devalues real racism when you do that.
I didn't see the Chimp as Obama until I read your comment....we all know Pelosi and the other Dems drafted the bill, Obama was inexplicably absent and uninvolved in it's creation, which was a mistake because Pelosi is the Dictionary definition of Partisan hack! And she may very well sandbag his entire Presidency if he doesn't reel them in. He wants to be bipartisan and Pelosi and team realize they have the numbers in the House and don't have to cross the aisle. Wake up and lighten up jason.
Why do Liberals phrase
February 18, 2009 - 20:28 ET by JasonCWhy do Liberals phrase their opinions in such a way that if you don't
agree with them, you are either stupid or a racist? Jason, that's SO
tired man.
How am I doing this? Noel very specifically asked for our opinion on whether this would be different in the context of a Bush parody. My comment on the matter was a direct response to that. And indeed, it is, in my very humble opinion, a poor argumentative strategy to excuse this comic by invoking a hypothetical about the shoe being on the other foot. Finally, it's just so precious how reductively and blithely you claim that phrasing opinions as such is a strictly liberal trait. You must not read the message boards here on NB that often if you think conservatives are immune from this.
Pe
They have all gone ape!
February 18, 2009 - 18:33 ET by bradbenj5952First of all, any thinking person knows that Obama did not write this bill. Second, this bill resembles what an out-of-control ape might write. Therefore, it has no racial connotation and it is clear now that we can expect the left-wing-media to apply racially charged criticism to any satire contrived about this administration. Why is it that they cannot get over the fact that Obama is not completely white? Do they have a problem with his skin color?
"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." Acts 16:31
It's always racism
February 18, 2009 - 18:34 ET by 10ksnookerIt's always racism ...
You know when I see Obama, I think of a chimp swinging through the trees blowing dollar bills out his butt, yelling I can help, I can help, I can ...
Is that racism too? So what about chimpy Bush?
I've thought of Obama as
February 18, 2009 - 18:48 ET by SickofLibsI've thought of Obama as more of an orangutan; thoughtful, peaceful, graceful and somehow more introspective than a chimp.
<sarc off>
What utter BS.
SoL, yea and both " hang" in Indonesia.
February 18, 2009 - 22:31 ET by upcountrywaterpURPLe pINKy
Of course, of course...
February 18, 2009 - 18:38 ET by dborschjr68Of course the left thinks the right believes all black people are chimps. Duh. They NEED to believe this or else their race hustlers wouldn't have jobs. As to Al Sharpton, I remember when he was a nobody in Michigan, brought up on charges of child abuse at a church camp he ran.
And also, as it has been noted, Mr. Obama did not write this spending package. Yawn, booooring, liberal puppets, find something else to whine about.
Oh, how about when you guys parodied Michael Steele with "black face" paint, and referred to him as a "house nigg*r". How soon they forget that...
"Liberate tutume ex inferis, liberal puppets." Me.
BooYah!!!
February 18, 2009 - 18:42 ET by mizflame98You are so correct.
"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot
The left also referred
February 18, 2009 - 18:43 ET by bigtimerThe left also referred Powell as a House-ni--er if memory serves me right.
sharpton and his cronies...
February 18, 2009 - 20:54 ET by clinging to my guns and my religion...have to stay busy inventing issues, else they would fade into the oblivion to which they rightfully belong.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
Old Story
February 18, 2009 - 18:45 ET by slickwillie2001President Bush was called a chimp and even drawn as a chimp many many times by the far left and that had nothing to do with race. Turnabout may offend those that believe in the messiah, but it is fair.
But I suggest that what the artist was referring to might have been the old analogy of a monkey at a typewriter, given long enough, typing up one of Shakespeare's plays. It's used to describe infinity, and sometimes by the creation/evolution debaters. The monkey's first thousand pages of practice may be less harmful to our country than the POS bill that was passed.
slick... How soon they
February 18, 2009 - 18:53 ET by bigtimerslick...
How soon they forget when convenient...what hypocrites they are.
No agenda here is there.
I remember all the chimp references to Bush too...nary a word from them.
what hypocrites they
February 18, 2009 - 19:42 ET by dbowhat hypocrites they are
Seems to me the people making the most noise on this are the same people that were giving Obama a pass on his "lipstick on a pig" comment when he was obviously referring to Sarah Palin.
Hey dbo... The 'lipstick
February 18, 2009 - 19:51 ET by bigtimerHey dbo...
The 'lipstick on a pig' ordeal is a great point you make here!
Nope..no hypocrisy whatsoever.
Oh please. Two obvious
February 18, 2009 - 19:01 ET by Jack BauerOh please. Two obvious points
#1 Obama did not "write" the bill. The "authors" of the monstrosity were Reid and Pelosi. In fact, one of Rush Limbaugh's main themes recently is how detatched Obama has been from the whole process, being as he left it to those two simians in the zoo.
#2 Which animal has the left spent the past EIGHT years comparing President Bush to -- oh yeah a frackin' MONKEY. President McChimpy I believe was a fave of the foul mouthed marxists.
I doubt its racism
February 18, 2009 - 18:54 ET by nwahsBut it is extremely poor taste. The situation with the chimp was tragic on many levels, and I think its bad taste to use it for any type of parody.
I can think of so many things that offer a better comparison of bumbling animals to congress. This one is just stupid, a stretch, and a little cruel.
nwahs: I'm inclined to
February 18, 2009 - 19:09 ET by QueenMumnwahs: I'm inclined to agree. Poor taste at this moment in time. It's not about the chimp per se. But about those who were mauled. Although I do think the owner of the chimp was a complete fool.
Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of the tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. - Ayn Rand
Exactly
February 18, 2009 - 19:18 ET by nwahsIt might not be perfectly rational for humans to form bonds with animals, but its a common fact. Sometimes human blur the boundaries and start treating the animal like a human and these types of horrific incidents occur. But no one was acting out of malice. Perhaps they acted out of ignorance. Its an extremely recent tragedy, and I don't see its place in parody.
nwahs: Anyone who has had a
February 18, 2009 - 19:41 ET by QueenMumnwahs: Anyone who has had a chimp in their house for as long as this owner did, knows perfectly well what they're dealing with. This wasn't a matter of someone taking in a little puppy and not realizing it would grow into a pit bull. I'm sorry that she has to live with the consquences of her stupidity.
Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of the tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. - Ayn Rand
So you think there was malice
February 18, 2009 - 21:26 ET by nwahsSo you think there was some type of malice here? Had the chimp attacked people in the past? Don't get me wrong. I know animals can get unpredictable in a heartbeat. But some people with an animal that has been well behaved their whole life, forget that. I've seen incidents where lap dogs have severely bitten their owners in the face out of the blue. The owner "kissed" Snuggles a thousand times, and one time Snuggles spooked. Unless evidence shows otherwise, I think this caught the owner completely by surprise. She actually stabbed the chimp with a knife to try to get it off her friend.
And the general sat and the lines on the map
Moved from side to side.
QM -- poor taste.
February 18, 2009 - 19:18 ET by Jack BauerQM -- poor taste. True.
But for political catoonists, isn't "poor taste" sort of the job? Anyone ever seen Hogarth's 18th Century eviceration of pf the British classes. It ain't pretty!
Good evening Jack
February 18, 2009 - 19:25 ET by cocodrieYou of all people should know, political humor aimed at democrats is poor taste but humor aimed at republicans is great literature.
Jesus Loves You
Jack: Maybe I'm seeing this
February 18, 2009 - 19:37 ET by QueenMumJack: Maybe I'm seeing this from a different angle. Political cartoons are one thing. Unfortunately, this particular cartoon ended up taking on a separate meaning from what was intended.
Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of the tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. - Ayn Rand
The Huffington Post quote
February 18, 2009 - 18:57 ET by Icarusis a good summary of the situation. At its most benign, the Post cartoon is saying the stimulus bill was put together by crazy chimps. However, at its worst, it's horribly racist.
On your bonus question, it's not really a productive question to ask what the reaction would be if Obama were white or if Bush were still President. Obama's not white, and depicting blacks as primates has a long racist history. There's no racist equivalent that whites have had to deal with.
Isn't it pretty disgraceful
February 18, 2009 - 19:07 ET by Jack BauerIsn't it pretty disgraceful for a leftwing blog to immediately associate a cartoon picture of a monkey to the President of the United States?
Everyone know that CONGRESS wrote the Bill, and Obama merely signed it. So for leftists to try to imply that the monkey is Obama, is well, disgusting and racist.
Exactly right
February 18, 2009 - 19:11 ET by bigtimerExactly right Jack...
Anyone with a brain knows they are intentionally looking for a method to their continuing madness, in my opinion...this is never ending.
I am so sick of this and all of the hypocrisy from the left.
Editorial cartoons ...
February 18, 2009 - 19:18 ET by Icarus... are by nature vague and open to interpretation, so no, it isn't disgraceful for someone to immediately associate the cartoon monkey as the POTUS or anybody else.
I think the Post cartoonist believed it to be a benign commentary on the stimulus bill, but I also believe that people should take responsibility for their artistic work being interpreted in a certain way. That's a pretty big principle to live by, but it's the best principle. If your cartoon gets called racist by someone, you should acknowledge that negative view of your cartoon.
I THINK my point is ...
February 18, 2009 - 19:26 ET by Jack BauerI THINK my point is ...
yeah, I just reread to make sure, and it is...
is that it was leftist shills of the Puffington who saw monkey and thought Obama. Because when I saw the cartoon, I didn't think it was supposed to be Obama. I think it's a Freudian slip, as the jargon goes.
Now when someone immediately sees cartoon monkey -- must be a blackman, I think that's uh-- probably racist.
I find that interesting. Athough not surprising because leftists are obsessed with race and sex -- oh and abortion and involuntary euthanasia.
sometimes a monkey is just a monkey
February 18, 2009 - 19:30 ET by katainkentseriously! I saw this and I thought of the "Million Monkey with a million typewriters" quote in reference to congress... most specifically Pelosi, Reid, Schumer... My personal fav - Jim McDermott because he's the local head tax chimp. If this cartoon is cruel to anyone its the owner of said monkey.
→ True kata
February 18, 2009 - 19:40 ET by Cool ArrowAnd sometimes a banana is just a banana.
Unless it's in a Public School classroom.
That appears to just be
February 18, 2009 - 19:29 ET by Icarusthe knowledge that people have of the whole sorid history of blacks being depicted as primates.
In that case, what a pity
February 18, 2009 - 19:41 ET by Jack BauerIn that case, what a pity the leftist scum on the Daily Kos, DHummies, et al spent the past eight years calling the last President a primate.
They really should have been more sensitive to comparing ANY people to primates because of the whole desensitizing issue.
I suppose it like the whole "n" word thing, where some African-Americans who use the vile word themselves, are oddly offended when it seeps into the popular culture
But then, as I said, I didn't see monkey and think blackman. Unlike those on the left, it seems.
No, not "in that case".
February 18, 2009 - 19:47 ET by IcarusBecause there is no equivalent to the racist history of blacks being compared to primates. People calling Bush a monkey may themeselves be insensitive, offensive, and a little crazy, but it's not the same thing as the racial pejorative that is the topic of this post.
You are clearly being
February 19, 2009 - 02:31 ET by Jack BauerYou are clearly being obtuse. And the topic of the post is why Leftist see monkey and think blackman. Rather like you.
Tell me,why do you see monkey and thninks black man. You must be racist.
Like I said ...
February 18, 2009 - 19:37 ET by Icarus... if artistic works get interpreted as racist (which they have in the past, without the interpretors themselves being racist), then the artist should acknowledge that interpretation.
A question Icarus...
February 18, 2009 - 19:51 ET by HillbillyKingIf the artist must acknowledge others interpretation of their work, THEN shouldn't those others have to acknowledge the orginial intent of the work?
Just wondering.
If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
Don Marquis 1878-1937
I have an answer HillbillyKing
February 18, 2009 - 20:05 ET by IcarusIf the artist must acknowledge others interpretation of their work, THEN shouldn't those others have to acknowledge the orginial intent of the work?
Of course those others should acknowledge the original intent. The others still have the right to doubt or not believe the artist when he or she says what the original intent was, however. As such, the controversy over the Post cartoon is one of perceived intent.
Jack, Isn't it ironic
February 18, 2009 - 19:40 ET by Trix RabbitJack,
Isn't it ironic that the Obamatron's example of a great President, Abraham Lincoln was ridiculed by democrats with the same vitriol they aimed at GW as:
1) similar to lower primates.
2) a liar and a tyrant.
3) trampling on the Constitution.
4) censorship and manipulation.
5) dividing the nation.
6) an uninspiring public speaker.
For the MSM: In your pomp and all your glory, you're a poorer man than me. As you lick the boots of death born out of fear.
Ian Anderson "Wind up"
Shrubber hearts Sondrak....
February 18, 2009 - 20:56 ET by Roger the ShrubberShrubber hearts Sondrak....
Trix,
February 18, 2009 - 21:13 ET by R D HelmLOL-When it came to their treatment of Bush, they were just upholding a time-honored tradition. :-)
-Dave
Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.
That's
February 18, 2009 - 19:25 ET by danboThat's BS.
Limited Disclosure: I used to belong to the Sierra Club untill they went crazier. Worse of all, I was bribed by Exxon with free New Orleans Saints glasses with fill ups in the 70's.
Elaborate please.
February 18, 2009 - 19:30 ET by IcarusElaborate please.
You have no more of an idea
February 18, 2009 - 20:12 ET by danboYou have no more of an idea of the race, the ethnicity, history or the life experiences of the people here than I or anyone else. To use such a broad brush to paint everyone who disagrees is itself racist.
Limited Disclosure: I used to belong to the Sierra Club untill they went crazier. Worse of all, I was bribed by Exxon with free New Orleans Saints glasses with fill ups in the 70's.
I didn't associate any
February 18, 2009 - 19:25 ET by MidAmericaI didn't associate any racial theme to the cartoon when I read it. I was thinking along the lines of the monkey and typewriter theorem. No way do I believe obama wrote the porkulus bill. He was just the salesman.
Obamamedia is up in arms to
February 18, 2009 - 19:34 ET by d1carterObamamedia is up in arms to defend their man. And so it goes...
Chimps
February 18, 2009 - 19:38 ET by nkviking75Bonus questions: If Obama was white, would media be so upset? Or what if Bush was still President, and he signed porkulus, would there be any outrage over this?
Since Bush was routinely called childish names like "Chimpy McHitler", most cartoonists would have labelled the chimp "Bush".
I also think Obama uses his surrogates to take advantage of opportunities to play the race card to silence his critics.
IMHO, there's nothing racist about the cartoon. It may even relate to the famous line that if enough chimps with enough typewriters were given enough time, eventuallly one would type a Shakespeare play.
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
Only racists race-bait......
February 18, 2009 - 19:43 ET by HillbillyKingTherefore, anyone makin this out to be a racist thing is.....yep a racist.
Now, Mr. Sheppard as to your questions:
Smart and Good satire by Sean Delonas. Who, as we can see, is not afraid to push the envelope.(Oh, btw, where was Sharpton on that one, huh?)
IF President Obama was completely Caucasian(remember, he's bi-racial, not really black) he wouldn't be President. Nuff said.
The outrage over former President Bush being depicted as a monkey is well documented. So, yes, there would be outrage.
As an aside, take the time to check out Delonas's other works for the Post(there's a function at the bottom of his cartoons that allow viewers to select his past cartoons),they're pretty good. IMHO that is.
If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
Don Marquis 1878-1937
Yeah ...
February 18, 2009 - 19:56 ET by Icarus"Only racists race-bait... Therefore, anyone makin this out to be a racist thing is .... yep a racist"
... I don't think so. If this logic if further drawn out, then no one can call anything racist.
The reason I don't think this is racist
February 18, 2009 - 20:06 ET by nwahsThe caption implies the chimp is the author of the stimulus package. Its common knowledge, Obama is not the author and Congress is the author. The chimp is Congress.
That said, its in extremely poor taste as this chimp incident is an ongoing tragedy for at least 2 families. In fact for The New York Post not to acknowledge the impact this crassness will have on those families is inexcusable.
This is the contamination of conservatism with "dittoism." With "dittoism" you can be as ugly and cruel as you want - as long as it sells. Basically its political porn.
Definitions are useful...
February 18, 2009 - 20:46 ET by HillbillyKingWhen making statements.
Race -Baiting: the making of verbal attacks against members of a racial group
Racist: 1
:
a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and
capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority
of a particular race
2
: racial prejudice or discrimination
So, I think my original statement:
"Only racists race-bait....Therefore, anyone makin this out to be a racist thing is.....yep a racist."
is correct and logically sound.
As an aside Icarus, thanks for the reponse to my above(up the thread) question.
If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
Don Marquis 1878-1937
I don't know about that, Icarus
February 18, 2009 - 21:26 ET by R D HelmI have lived my entire 44+ years in the Atlanta area.
There are people in this town who can turn the act of merely mowing one's lawn into a racial issue.
Oh, and be sure not to fly too close to the sun. LOL.
-Dave
Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.
I'm watching on of these tabloid shows
February 18, 2009 - 19:45 ET by nwahsI'm watching one of those tabloid shows, and they are replaying the 911 call. Whatever the point, if you hear this heart wrenching 911 call, you have to think the cartoonist could have found something better to parody. This is just plain wrong, and not because of racism, but because of decency.
It is sad. Sad that that demented old lady went
February 19, 2009 - 07:38 ET by thebutlerdiditagainst all common sense rules, and treated a wild primate as a son. She is responsible for the fact her friend is near death. Obviously, she is an idiot or nuts. Or both. Dear Obama, the chimp had even taken her car out and driven on the road several times. It is a wonder it hadn't killed someone long before this. The height of irresponsibility. I don't care how lonely you are, or how much you enjoy snuggling in bed and drinking wine, the damn thing was a chimp with the strength of 10 men. Someone should have ended this love story long ago, if she wasn't capable of making sane decisions. Kind of like the nuts with the python that was squeezing to death the 3 yr old a few weeks ago. Hopefully CPS took the kid away from these useless twits.
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
Comparing Dems to Chimpanzees, that's cruel to Chimpanzees!
February 18, 2009 - 19:52 ET by RpeggioMy problem with the cartoon is that it's cruel to the Chimp to compare Chimpanzees to Liberal Democrats.
Chimps just want bananas, Dems want my money and my children's money and my children's children's money...
I think this is a case of
February 18, 2009 - 19:54 ET by BlazerI think this is a case of p.c. run amok. Obama didn't write the current stimulus bill, he only signed off on it. The artist is referring to the monkees in Congress who wrote it and passed it in both houses.
I can see where this would be sensitive given to who our current president is, but I also say screw it, p.c. is one of the reasons we are in the boondoggle we find ourselves in now. Not to mention, how many times was Bush compared to a Chimp during his eight yr. tenure? Chimpy McBush-Hitler anyone?
Of course Bush was neither African-American nor a Chimpanzee, but it didn't stop the left from making a reference to at least one of em'. That reference being that Bush was an un-intelligent bumbling monkey, which is the comparison the artist is trying to make with Congress here.
Call a spade, a spade as I say, no pun intended. The only group I see who should be outraged here are our fellow Hominadae family member's who should be outraged that they are even being compared to our current politician's who posses alot less intelligence than they.
Not to mention being politically-correct never, ever got a conservative anywhere.They'll be called a racist or a nazi on just about any policy position they take anyway.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Monkey see, monkey doo-doo.
February 18, 2009 - 19:58 ET by CrashI don't know what the cartoonist was getting at, I just looked at it and thought ... "Huh?"
My question is, what insecurity do black folks have that any reference to apes has to be an overt attempt at bigotry? According to men of science we share 98% of our DNA with monkeys. Regardless, the question should be, why wasn't the MSM angered over the blatantly obvious racially charged political cartoons of Secretary Rice and Michael Steele?
"A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an argument." Hilmar von Campe
and what about Clarence
February 18, 2009 - 20:03 ET by MidAmericaand what about Clarence Thomas? This poor man has been under siege by the racist Left ever since his nomination to the Supreme Court because he was 'uppity' and would not bend his head and shuffle before his Leftist masters.
I accept either or
February 18, 2009 - 20:13 ET by RD KingAt its most benign, the cartoon suggests that the stimulus bill was so bad, monkeys may as well have written it. Others believe it compares the president to a rabid chimp. RD
I swear, I had to read the
February 18, 2009 - 20:23 ET by RousseI swear, I had to read the whole thing to figure out what was so horrible about this cartoon. Thin skinned huh.
That it was somehow a slam against Obama was the VERY LAST thing I thought about. Obviously, it meant that a bunch of monkey in Congress wrote this mess. The joke is that monkeys are MUCH smarter than the congresscritters who cobbled this abomination.
Barry didn't write it, what idiots
February 18, 2009 - 20:28 ET by political mavenThat monkey Pelosi and ape Reid did-white apes!
Presidents sign bills, Congress writes them.The cartoon was refering to writing it, not signing it.
The press is demented....seriously.
§ ALERT!!! Sharpton on Olby!!! SHOCKING!!!
February 18, 2009 - 20:36 ET by TheSterItem #4.
Violence!!! Racism!!! Murdock is a Racist!!!
Thus...so is the GOP and FOX News!!!
Hmmmm...SHOCKING!!!
Ster.
My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.
§ ALERT!!! Sharpton on
February 18, 2009 - 20:48 ET by Blazer§ ALERT!!! Sharpton on Olby!!! SHOCKING!!!
So I guess we now know Keith is a bottom. I alway's knew it.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
UPDATE!!! Sharpton Marching on NY Post Thursday!!
February 18, 2009 - 20:44 ET by TheSterHehehehe!!!
This should be FUN to watch!!!
Ster.
My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.
Ah, to live in the Victorian era...
February 18, 2009 - 21:03 ET by mizflame98This is when the NY Post needs to bring back the use of chamber pots.
"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot
Ster... Oh big deal, just
February 18, 2009 - 21:51 ET by bigtimerSter...
Oh big deal, just how much attention does he really think he is going to get from this...it is going to do the reverse with most people, they will just click the channels...which most likely will be CNN, msnbc and Fox somewhat.
Like I posted somewhere else, a lot of the brouhaha is because this was in the Post...how dare they criticize the leftists Stimuli Bill (as I heard Sharpton call it...which cracked me up laughing) with some humor...we must take the point of the cartoon and turn it into a racist issue...instead of discussing the real issue that I thought was intended.
I know some see it differently...but this was made a huge issue because of Rupert Murdoch and a paper that is making it in NY city.
You left-wing loonies
February 18, 2009 - 20:44 ET by cocodrieYou left-wing loonies remind me of the fainting women in the old movies.
Jesus Loves You
Or at a Obama rally.
February 18, 2009 - 21:43 ET by Dan DiegoOr at a Obama rally.
The cartoon was about congress
February 18, 2009 - 21:27 ET by clubchamp6We all know the Big O (sorry Oscar Robertson) cannot write anything by himself ( William Ayers). He had the abortion lover right it for him.
I seem to remember they did not have a problem with the racist cartoons of Condi.
http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/11/20/racist-cartoons-of-condoleezza-rice/
Hey I had a dream about a monkey does that make me racist?
Linking two big news stories
February 18, 2009 - 21:41 ET by Dan DiegoLinking two big news stories is of course racist to the racists.
Delonas
February 18, 2009 - 22:50 ET by slickwillie2001I looked through three or four months of his cartoons, and generally what he does is link two news stories. He's very regional, so if you aren't a New Yorker you might not catch on to some of them. He's also very tough on both parties and the old media, and showed President Bush in a chimp-like drawing only a month ago, as he was often caricatured. Animals appear in his cartoons often.
Both parties and a lot of people probably get upset with him regularly. I think that makes his day.
I remember plenty of times
February 18, 2009 - 22:48 ET by jistincaseI remember plenty of times when the strip non sequitor had that chimp character that looked a lot like Bush. Didn't see Al getting all worked up over that one. No racist thing to see here move along. I looked at it and had a good laugh and it didn't enter into my mind about it being racist just a crazy ape that wrote this porkulous bill
DR. John
February 18, 2009 - 22:58 ET by cocodrieThe Monkey speaks his mind.
Three monkeys sat in a coconut tree.
Disscussing things as they are said to be
said one to the other, now listen you two
There is a certain rumour that can't be true
That man descended from our noble race
The very idea is a big disgrace
No monkey ever deserted his wife
Nor her baby and ruined her life
yeah...the Monkey speaks his mind.
And you never known a mother monk
To leave her baby causing it to plunk
Nor pass them on to one another
Til they scaecely know who was their mother
Yeah...the monkey speaks his mind
And another thing you will never see
A monkey build a fence around a coconut tree
and let all the coconuts go to waste
Forbidding all other monkeys to come and taste
Now if I build a fence around this tree
Starvation will force you to steal from me
Yeah...The monkey speaks his mind
Here's another thing a monkey won't do
Go out at night and get on a stew
Or use a gun or a club or a knife
To take another monkey"s life
Yeah man descended the worthless bun
But, my God brothers from us he did not come
Yeah...the monkey speaks his mind
Dr John
Jesus Loves You
The Truth?
February 18, 2009 - 23:14 ET by Anniee451This is what I really think: http://purelypolitics.blogspot.com/2009/02/of-cabbages-and-chimps.html
I liked it....
February 19, 2009 - 03:18 ET by HillbillyKinggood blog and good post Anniee.
Btw, he does act like a gibbon, don't he? ;-)
If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
Don Marquis 1878-1937
This bogus outrage by the
February 18, 2009 - 23:46 ET by SvenThis bogus outrage by the Drive-bys is pathetic!
Hmmm, I can't seem to remember the Drive-bys being upset when certain cartoons depicted Condi Rice in a very slanderous, stereotypical fasion, and most recently the depiction of RNC Michael Steele as Sambo.
So drive-bys, please take your phony outrage and stick it strait up your arses!
I'm offended.
February 19, 2009 - 00:45 ET by JWFThe 2 guys in the cartoon being FORCED to clean up a mess made by the writer of the stimulus bill are white.
Why is it ALWAYS the white guys that have to come in and clean up the mess created by others. Why can't it be white guys that are accepting welfare while not having to get a job in the new stimulus bill.
Why can't it be white guys that get to work on the building the new highways that are being built with money from the new stimulus bill.
Why can't it be white guys that work with ACORN to agitate for anarchy in communities with money from the stimulus bill.
Why can't it be whites guys that get gas money for their car, free money to pay for their mortgage, or an escape from the 5 year stint at mcdonalds despite their being an ubergoob.
Why do white guys always have to represent law and order.
Why do white guys always have to be the ant, and why does government want to steal from the ant and give to the grasshopper so the grasshopper can continue his party.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Your Answer, JWF
February 19, 2009 - 08:28 ET by dvdaughtryWhite has lost its moral authority in society.
Shelby Steele articulates it very well.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
→ Maybe dvd
February 19, 2009 - 15:23 ET by Cool ArrowAssuming there is a class of individuals over whom whites should have authority.
That is not his
February 20, 2009 - 09:41 ET by dvdaughtryThat is not his point.
The thesis of the book is White has lost all moral standing and Black has accepted being a victim. Thus, both contributing to the situation we have in our society.
Obviously he explains it better than I can summarize. It's worth the read.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
Contrived Outrage
February 19, 2009 - 01:54 ET by reasonsjesterDeleted double-post. A delete function might help assuage this nuisance for readers. Just a friendly suggestion.
Contrived Outrage
February 19, 2009 - 01:52 ET by reasonsjesterI can't imagine many people reacting to the cartoon without thinking that it is about the chimp who got shot and the stimulus package being out of control. The 800-lb. gorilla is the left's own racism, that is wielded as a cudgel anytime anyone dares criticize anything related in any way to Barack Obama.
The media has gone from a critical component of a functional "democracy" to a defender of government actions, no matter how ludicrous or wrong-headed, because of a cult of personality.
I do recall the left casting many aspersions that Bush was a monkey (See "Bush or Chimp?"for one clear case from 2000).
Responsibility is the price of freedom. - Elbert Hubbard
Obama looks more like a
February 19, 2009 - 02:35 ET by SlicksterObama looks more like a chimp than Bush ever could.
Maybe Eric Holder Can Use This Cartoon as an Opportunity
February 19, 2009 - 06:03 ET by CBrauto engage a few citizens (aka "cowards") in a discussion about race? Perhaps then, some good can come from a deranged ape getting gunned down by police.
Made me chuckle... I was
February 19, 2009 - 06:06 ET by RR GOPMade me chuckle...
I was thinking of Congressmen and Present Obama didn't even connect with me on that until I read some posts here about how the MSM/PC crowd would get into a lather over the race thing...as usual.
A really tragic thing...disfigured woman, dead animal, very sad.
One of the 24% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 89% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.
The Great and Merciful O
February 19, 2009 - 06:16 ET by Ruths husband BenThe Great and Merciful O didn't write the stimulus package (giving him deniability come re-election season). The chimp would be Pelosi.
"They look like PEOPLE!" were the words of a 5 year old ...
February 19, 2009 - 06:44 ET by Jayke... little girl I took to the Natural History Museum this weekend. She said this as we strolled through their primate exhibit.I said, "Yes they do look like people, but more importantly, some people ACT LIKE MONKEYS". We talked about the movie "Night at the Museum" and the little monkey named Dexter who PEED on Ben Stiller. "BAD MONKEY!" she quoted and we laughed. A monkey will also throw POOP at you! Just like our FAUX-PREZ. He and his MONKEY buddies in Washington are THROWING POOP at the almost 60 MILLION Americans that did not vote for them. I sure would like to be able to force them to EAT THEIR OWN POOP! No, I didn't include the part about BARRKY in my talk with the little girl.
Chimp Cartoon and The Obamessiah
February 19, 2009 - 07:35 ET by GeneralAlI watched an interview with a bunch of guys in a barbershop on Chicago's south side last night. To a man they claimed this cartoon was racist and was a flashback to the days of being compared to apes. If these guys would spend less time talking about sports and rap, they might observe a few things. One of them used the phrase "Rocket Scientist" in arriving at his opinion. Well Mr. Rocket Scientist, if you had paid attention to all the debate about the stimulus bill and the news around the dead chimp, you too could discern the message. The bill was not written by your Obammesiah, it was written by Congress. Secondly, they went on a rampage to put it together. Those of us in opposition to this would say it severely lacks intelligent design to its structure. In others words a bunch of apes or even "cavemen" could have put it together. If these guys paid attention to the details instead of waiting for their Obamessiah to pay for their house and fill their gas tanks, they might have gotten the message. Furthermore, their guy has now ascended to the highest office in the land. Critiscism comes with power. These guys had no problem laughing at the rascist cartoons abour Condi Rice and Clarence Thomas. It shows there "Stupid" hypocrisy!
GeneralAl: You put your
February 19, 2009 - 11:50 ET by QueenMumGeneralAl: You put your finger on a point I wanted to make. The likes of Sharpton count on the fact that the guys in the barbershop in Chicago don't understand how the whole thing works. To them, Obama runs the government now and everything that's done is accomplished by his signing of a document. He's making good on as many campaign promises as he can in order to promote this idea and the Dims in Congress are willing stooges.
Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of the tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. - Ayn Rand
Just Can't Poke Fun of Obama
February 19, 2009 - 09:13 ET by sguild2Wow...seems like there are a lot of posters suffering from white guilt...just like the late night hosts. This cartoon is clearly saying that the stimulus bill was so poorly written (with nobody having read the thing) that it must have been drafted by monkeys. The circus has taken over Washington. If people want to see racism, then they will do so. If you believe that we are a nation of "cowards" and inherently racist...then this cartoon controversy is for you.
Pelosi (and Reid) wrote the bill
February 19, 2009 - 09:13 ET by ekslibImagine the outrage if the cartoonist had taken the obvious next step and had drawn a Pelosi hairdo on the chimp!!
Imagine the hubbub if the
February 19, 2009 - 09:53 ET by Roger the ShrubberImagine the hubbub if the chimp blinked 1,000 times a minute!
OUTRAGE!
Hustle & Flow
February 19, 2009 - 10:22 ET by CrashIt's hard out there for a chimp!
"A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an argument." Hilmar von Campe
I guess our comrades on the
February 19, 2009 - 10:00 ET by Roger the ShrubberI guess our comrades on the Left have so very few outlets to vent their constant rage these days, since Chimpy McHitler is out of office (there it is, that damn monkey reference again! I am SUCH a hatemonger!)
This has nothing to do with race at all (pardon if this has already been discussed. I grew weary of all the hair-pulled, teeth-gnashed, holier-than-thou preachings on this thread...)
We are now all One
February 19, 2009 - 10:44 ET by QueenMumDoes anyone know what time the Dear Leader will be holding his press conference to answer questions about this? I'm sure the Great Uniter will be able to defuse the anger, no?
Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of the tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. - Ayn Rand
Now I'm just waiting for...
February 19, 2009 - 11:04 ET by szampNow I'm just waiting for them to call for the beheading of the cartoonist.
In addition to Noel’s closing questions…
February 19, 2009 - 14:24 ET by needleHere is another question: What was the media’s reaction to Muslims wildly rioting on account of the Danish cartoons? Answers may vary, my answer is: Privately most the media types in principle definitely disapproved of the Muslims' violent overreaction, but were quiet about it because they are cowards and not willing to put themselves “out there” and stand against those they have tacitly sided with for a long time. The rest of the media types have so completely sold their souls in support of Islamists that they actually quietly approved of whatever the Hell Islamists do; but they also are cowards, and afraid to declare their support for the Islamists’ insane behavior. In any case we all noticed that they said practically nothing.
I should add here that I do not believe that a single media type can internally even comprehend what it is to be a Muslim, to say absolutely nothing about actually being a Muslim. Notice while they support anything Muslims do, there is NEVER a Muslim reading the news on NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, NPR, or CNN.
It used to be that Castro was the Liberals’ proxy for defecating upon their country and their society. Any time Castro did or said something provocative they would rush to his defense, and write puff pieces on him.
But Castro is now a spent old man. There is now Hugo Chavez alright, and sometimes he serves a similar purpose. (Let us not forget Hillary made a special trip to kiss his ring some years ago as a gesture to affirm her Liberal bona fides; but later when Hugo made a particularly gauche remark at the UN at Bush's expense, Hillary chastized Hugo. Poor Hugo, I imagine he was really confused.) But Liberals have now seized upon Muslims for their proxy. If ever a particular Muslim, Saddam Hussein for example, goes a bit too far, they can at least for a while distance themselves from that particular Muslim, while still affirming the rest. Hamas clearly went way too far last year, but Israel was still portrayed in the media as the aggressor.
It is perfectly clear that Liberal hate the US and Christians, and sneer at Democracy; whenever they feign otherwise, they are lying.
Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.
The dead chimp is Congress,
February 19, 2009 - 14:33 ET by semolina_filcherThe dead chimp is Congress, the author of the biggest spending bill of our time. More to the point, the dead chimp depicts Democrats who hijacked and derailed our economy, the same bunch of losers who, by a whiff of the mighty pen of Obama, plunged this country deeper into the abyss.
As for the leftists crying foul and racism, FU all.... Reverend Al can protest all he wants, that publicity opportunist.
RE: New York Post's Dead Chimp Cartoon Draws Media Ire
February 19, 2009 - 15:20 ET by Edward L. DaleyApparently leftists aren't intelligent enough to understand that Barack Obama DIDN'T WRITE THE STIMULUS BILL, and in fact he hasn't even read it! Certain members of CONGRESS wrote various parts of it and then bound those parts together at the last minute before voting on it. The cartoon in question isn't about Obama or racism, it's about Democrat Congressmen who behave like irrational subhumans.
Reptilians are outraged!!!!
February 19, 2009 - 15:29 ET by Roscoe MendagoI wonder if Sharpton would have been as incensed if the "monkey" had been a snake? A snake more closely resembles Democrat politicians especially the "community organizing", "poverty pimp" variety.