Why Can't 'Eco-Conscious' Liberals Clean Up After Themselves?

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For decades, a consistent media theme has been that liberals are far more concerned about the environment than conservatives.

If such is the case, why did the folks attending Barack Obama's inauguration on Tuesday treat our nation's capital like a toilet?

Consider the picture to your right as well as the embedded video below while you formulate an answer: 

According to WBALTV.com, our nation's capital was a disaster area after Tuesday's festivities:

Inaugural revelers are lucky they didn't get fined for littering.

As crowds cleared the city Tuesday, their trash covered the National Mall and Washington Monument grounds after President Barack Obama's inauguration.

They left behind plastic bottles, newspapers, food wrappers, gloves and American flags they had been waving. Trash bins overflowed with items people tossed.

Poll after poll finds liberals far more willing to accept Al Gore's myth concerning man-made global warming:
Fifty-nine percent (59%) of Democrats blame global warming on human activity, compared to 21% percent of Republicans.

Maybe liberals believe man is destroying the planet from firsthand experience.

On the other hand, if liberals in the media really were concerned about the environment like they keep telling us, shouldn't there have been a great deal of coverage regarding this issue?

Or is pollution not a problem when caused by folks supporting your agenda?

Exit question: Is this what inauguration attendees thought Obama meant when he said we needed a new era of responsibility? 

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.


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Flags on the Ground...

...Tossed away by revelers after they had no more use for them.

How fitting for a group of Liberals - Use whatever you need and then leave it for someone else to clean up. A foreshadowing of the future...

That's right.  No personal

That's right.  No personal responsibility.

They Were Warned By Their Own

Looked through some related videos on YouTube and found a group called Litter Free Inauguration 2009. They produced a video after the crowd at Obama's election night speech did the very same thing to Chicago. The mess was so bad it took into the next day to get the roads open.

Pay close attention to the plea at the end of the video. "Let's show we are ready for change..."

Yeah, you showed them all right... Classic!

Link is here

After the television cameras

After the television cameras shut down, they didn't have any more use for the American flags. The liberals are always crying that "How dare you say I'm not patriotic. Look, I'm proud of my nation's flag." Once they're done with their photo-op, they throw the flag away because it's so inconvienent to carry around anymore. I'll bet you didn't see any pictures of the Savior Obama lying on the ground anywhere. To them, a picture of Obama is much more important and patriotic than that darn flag!!!
What a bunch of idiots.
If I remember correctly, isn't this what happened after the Democratic Convention..trash bags full of the American flags that the people threw away. A leopard never changes its spots.

It is shameful that our

It is shameful that our National Mall and Washington Monument grounds were trashed like this.  It just speaks to the character of the people that were there.

Hypocrites all of them! 

So how many used....

 

How many used an empty water bottle and left it, or just used the ground they were standing on instead of going to the nearest porta potty?

Years of experience taught me to not expect better....

"How many used an empty

"How many used an empty water bottle and left it, or just used the ground they were standing on instead of going to the nearest porta potty?"
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SeaShell

You are definitely NOT going to win the 2009 UNITY Award with that kind of talk.  Shame!

If someone is going to pay...

...for their house, college tuition, health care, and gas, surely there will be someone to pick up after them.

Garbage In/Garbage Out

Their environmental agenda has nothing to do with the environment at all.  It deals strictly with control.  Oh by the way, they would just say all of that trash was left by uncaring Republicans/Conservatives.

Well.

This will make excellent ammo against the trolls who come in and say that the heartless conservatives enjoy spewing garbage all over the landscape. 

And we know, this wasn't the only bad behavior on the part of the attendees. 

Pigs

If such is the case, why did the folks attending Barack Obama's
inauguration on Tuesday treat our nation's capital like a toilet?

Because they are pigs, expecting someone else to clean up their filthy messes?   That sounds about right, on many levels.  I wonder how many muggings took place during Obama-Rama.

Yes, they are pigs. And now they expect the "help" to clean up.

What a revelation of those who elected the 44th president of our country.

Their attitudes, which Barack Hussein Obama and his thugs/thugettes in the advocacy/adversary medis helped uncork in the past two years or so, indicate how very arrogant and hostile they are.

 As for the flags? Hey, flags were for waving on Inagural Day--and that day alone--for Obama, didn't you know?

And as for personal responsibility? That's not in the dictionary that any Democrat, liberal or leftist reads, if she or he can read.

Mike76

''Because they are pigs, expecting someone else to clean up their filthy messes?''

Just what in the heck do you think the Civilian Corp is for?  That is, for stuff other than busting heads to get people ''thinking right''?

And the thefts and/or muggings will be reported as much as Hussein's past was during the campaign.  REMEMBER PEOPLE - There are simply NO negatives about Hussein and Michy.  Case closed.

Garbage In/Garbage Out

That place should have looked like DisneyLand after the libs left.  Instead it looked like Tornado Alley.

FUEM

Reminds me of how Alice Kramden described their apartment to Ralph:

''This place looks like Yucca Flats after the blast!''

These clowns are the HOPE for the newly remade America?  I want a re-vote.

 

Doktor Disgusted

Satellite Image of Inauguration

Take a look at the below satellite image of the inauguration... a cool birds eye view of the crowds.

http://tinyurl.com/8x5bma

http://politicsofdestruction.com

New Go To Site

Bob, that last link did not link to a picture, FYI.  But that's OK!  What it did do was link to an awesome site I was unaware of which went into my favorites right away.  To any newer NB'ers looking for a place to start reading conservative blogs, this site (edit: courtesy of bobtheman) would be an excellent first stop.  Some of them, Noonan and Weekly Standard for example, I consider to be a little squishy but the feed on the main blogs is very good.

While there I found this little gem from Sweetness and Light showing the NYT and Thomas L. Friedman letting it all hang out now that Obama is in:

  "Radical in the White House";   By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN, January 21, 2009

"...we need to write some new history — one that will reboot, revive and reinvigorate America. That, for me, was the essence of Obama’s inaugural speech and I hope we — and he — are really up to it.
Indeed, dare I say, I hope Obama really has been palling around all these years with that old Chicago radical Bill Ayers. I hope Obama really is a closet radical...It is a moment for radical departures from business as usual in so many areas...ordinary times, the energy and dynamism of American life reside in the economy and society, and people view government with suspicion or indifference. But in times of national crisis, Americans look to government to solve fundamental problems that affect them directly. These are the times when presidents can do big things. These moments are rare. But they offer the occasion for the kind of leadership that can recast the political landscape, and redefine the terms of political argument for a generation.”
In the 1930s, the Great Depression enabled Franklin Roosevelt to launch the New Deal and redefine the role of the federal government, he added, while in the 1960s, the assassination of John F. Kennedy and “the moral ferment of the civil rights movement” enabled Lyndon Johnson to enact his Great Society agenda, including Medicare, the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act.

“These presidencies did more than enact new laws and programs,” concluded Sandel. “They rewrote the social contract, and redefined what it means to be a citizen. Obama’s moment, and his presidency, could be that consequential.”

George W. Bush completely squandered his post-9/11 moment to summon the country to a dramatic new rebuilding at home. This has left us in some very deep holes. These holes — and the broad awareness that we are at the bottom of them — is what makes this a radical moment, calling for radical departures from business as usual, led by Washington"

The author then points out that Friedman is, as Obama and Hillary have done for years, echoing Saul Alinsky in "Rules for Radicals":

"Any revolutionary change must be preceded by a passive, affirmative, non-challenging attitude toward change among the mass of our people. They must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless in the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and chance the future. This acceptance is the reformation essential to any revolution."

Note that I took excerpts from S&L's bolded portions of the article.  The bolding in the above is mine.  And the MSM has done it's job in creating "a passive, affirmative, non-challenging attitude" and helping make the masses "feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless in the prevailing system".

Obama is a "Red Diaper Baby" and I fear for what this country will be like a generation ahead.  We can't give up.

"The future is not set.  There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."

michaelyon-online.com

  Thanks nofate... not

 

Thanks nofate... not sure why the pic didn't work. Appreciate the nod on my site. I originally set it up for myself and friends to keep track of coverage during the election cycle... we'll keep it updated with new and relevent feeds... thanks again. 

http://politicsofdestruction.com

Good Job

I didn't know it was your site.  You've done a good job setting it up.  I liked having all those feeds on one page.  I've got my Yahoo! home page set up with feeds from CNS, Heritage, NRO, IBD Editorials and a lot of the same ones on your page, but I have to scroll through a loooonnng page to look at them all and it gets laborious.  I also noticed that Politics of Destruction continuously updates.  Love that sub-title:  "Conservative Carbon Footprints".  Oh, yeah!  One of my ultimate goals is to own a Toyota Sequoia or Cadillac Escalade before I die.  Hopefully in full gas guzzler mode, before they ram an all hybrid product line down our throats.  Good luck on your site, bob.

"The future is not set.  There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."

michaelyon-online.com

liberalspeak defined

The left has given us another glimpse into their dictionary.

patriotism - (n) a warm and fuzzy feeling conjured up when a Democrat wins something.

No pride in their country or each other, no care for the appearance of their capital city, no use for a flag other than to wave it at Obama. It means nothing more than waving a yellow towel at a Steelers game or painting your face blue to watch the Tar Heels play.

Oh yeah, we're all in this together, we all must sacrifice, we all must lift each other up - but that janitor guy can clean up this mess. A very fitting analogy for the way they treat politics in general. 

 

I'm a typical white person.

What was Missing in that Picture

Anyone else notice what was absent from the huge expanse that was filled with millions and millions of people,according to the MSM? 

Trash Cans

You have hordes of people coming into a public area and you don't put out massive amount sof trash recepticles? I suppose this is the type of organization we can expect in the next 4 years.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you."

One thing to consider...

....is with the Secret Service and all the other law enforcement agencies so paranoid over security (remember, even manhole covers are welded shut on occasions like this), they could've told DC to forget about putting any containers anywhere outside of the security zone since they could be used to hide bombs.

Doesn't excuse the deliberate trashing of the city, I'm just saying.

Good Point

'Course the alternative would be to hide your device in a port 'a potty.  Thousands of port 'a potties. 

"The future is not set.  There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."

michaelyon-online.com

Doesn't explain this

That Secret Service exuse doesn't explain this: "Trash was also strewn throughout the Metro subways and other avenues of transportation."  You can't tell me that the Secret Service removed ALL of the trash bins across the entire city.  I'm just saying.

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

they can't take it with them?

Thye brought it in (full water bottles, bags of food, etc.)....why couldn't they take the empty bags/containers/bottles out???

Totally besides the point on whether or not there were trash containers....I do not throw my trash on the ground just because there is not a trash can nearby.....

Potties

"you don't put out massive amount sof trash recepticles?"

Nope.  Just port 'a potties- thousands of port 'a potties. 

"The future is not set.  There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."

michaelyon-online.com

Any comparative study

How much trash was left after the 2 Bush inauguration events, or perhaps, more comparably, Reagan inauguration events?

How much trash would be expected normally for the given size of the crowd that attended the event?

Just curious...

comparative study?

Wait, you mean when Bush got sworn into office there were "millions" of people lining the streets of DC, overtaking the national mall, watching the show from big screen TVs? There was a "new tone" in Washington about being more responsible and doing more to help your country? There was a massive push from those revelers to stop producing SUVs and plastic bottles because they were killing the planet?

Try again.

 

I'm a typical white person.

Whoa Candance

I'm on your side.

But you know, it doesn't hurt to get the facts.  More power to us.

I haven't looked into the answers myself.  But I'd be interested to know.  Perhaps this liberal crowd was no worse than your typical inauguration crowd?  Or maybe worse?  Or better, and if it was better, how much better, or worse, etc?

It helps to have a relative baseline from which to measure a situation before coming to a judgement.  I'd like to believe this curiosity was what made me a conservative.

Please, don't club me for asking a question.

I googled it.

I can not find a single article complaining about the garbage left at Bush's or Reagan's inaugurations.  Believe me, I tried.

Perfect Demotivator for the Obama Administration

http://www.despair.com/government.html

While there is no excuse

While there is no excuse for leaving the capital looking like a landfill, let's not assume that every person there was necessarily part of the eco-movement.  Isn't it rather likely that there were plenty of genuinely environmentally conscious people there who DID clean up there trash; others who did so simply because it's the civilized, courteous thing to do; and still others who either just didn't care or are into the whole eco thing because it's trendy?

I like to think I would fall into the second of these four categories.  The Green Movement has never been central to my liberal politics - I generally steer away from those message boards - but I really like to think I wouldn't have left my sh!t strewn about the Mall.

So while the garbage that was left behind is a disappointin (disgraceful, even) denouement to a monumental event, I'm not quite prepared to read hypocrisy into it just yet.

Being from the West

I always poke a 13 gallon trash bag in my pocket before attending events where there will be lots of people.

It takes no time, no space, and adds no weight, but it always leaves full.

 The only 'excuse' is "I'm too stupid and lazy to plan ahead and clean the areas I used when I leave".

I wouldn't argue with any

I wouldn't argue with any of that.  Just pointing out that 1) There were probably plenty of people who WERE courteous and responsible and 2) I can't agree with the hypocrisy label because it assumes that any Obama supporter is also automatically an "eco-fascist."

Your 13-gallon bag in the pocket idea is very smart.  I will have to remember that next time I'm in a similar situation.  Although, being slightly agoraphobic, I do try to avoid crowds of that size. 

Jason, here is why I

Jason, here is why I respectfully disagree with you - it can be summed up in 2 words: Earth Day.

Out of line, Jason.

I too am algoraphobic, but you have no reason to call him a coward because of his size. He is trying to slave the planet you know.  :)

 

No representation, without taxation!

Jason

I agree with you that Obama supporters aren't automatically eco-nuts. And I'm sure not everyone in that crowd just dumped their trash on the ground.

People who are drawn to the Democrat Party are either the 'looking for a handout' type, who don't have any sense of personal responsibility; or they are the 'government should cure society's ills' type who generally pick up their own trash, but make excuses for those who don't. (and think the people who pick up their own trash should also be forced to pick up after those who don't)

I have NEVER dropped anything on the ground. I carry whatever I have till I find a trash can. I have participated in many stream cleaning projects, I compost and recycle. (yes, PT, I know, recycling is BS) I plant trees, grow and reintroduce native wildflowers, and provide nest boxes for bluebirds. I find it annoying to hear lib talking heads sneer that conservatives don't care about the environment. Complete BS.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

Choose Life?

Are you a crunchy con?

Perfect Demotivator for the Obama Administration

http://www.despair.com/government.html

Mizflame

That book sounds hilarious! (I think Birkenstocks are HIDEOUS, and hippies are UGLY) :-O
I'm a horticulturist who narrowly escaped being an ornithologist.
I think your average hunting/camping con is much more environmentally aware than your average city dweller lib. (and no, I'm not a country girl, unfortunately)

Also, an attitude of personal responsibility leads to good decision making in every aspect of life.
That's why lying cheaters do NOT make good political leaders. Next time I hear a lib say that a dishonest personal life doesn't carry over to public life I'm going to scream.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

Right on!

I can understand where you're comming from. I was raised in a big city in a blue state and now I live in a small millitary town in a red state.  I found a place where I feel I fit in nicely.  If it wasn't for my allergies I think I would spend a lot more time in the yard starting a garden.

Perfect Demotivator for the Obama Administration

http://www.despair.com/government.html

Mizflame

If you ever do, PM me, it's my specialty.
I love babies, plants, horses and troll stompin'.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

Good morning Jason

I personally witness the trash from Mardi Gras every year. The trash on the street is an indication of the bad attitude and habits of ALL Americans. Trash is thrown on the ground right next to a trash can.

Sadly, "someone else will clean it" is the prevailing attitude of most people. There are no excuses for ANYONE.

Jesus Loves You

They weren't all tree huggers

I'm going to assume that a sizable portion of that crowd was black and working class black people are not your typical eco-fanatics.

As for other inaugurations, Bush II had around 400,000 in 2005.

http://www.thedctraveler.com/new-poll-predict-the-number-of-attendees-at-the-inauguration/

Trash??

I don't know the amount of disposable solid trash, but after reading what Lowery and Obama's poet had to say, it is clear the amount of trash talk was far greater than the "none" at Bush's inauguration.

 

Sorry for asking a question!

My goodness!  Why am I the punching bag suddenly?

The Point Is

Because you've missed Noel's point slightly, which is the hypocrisy of these folks going around brainwashing everyone they can, including children in their classrooms, about how we should all respect and CLEAN UP mother earf.  And they have a major event where they could set a good example and what do they leave? 

"The future is not set.  There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."

michaelyon-online.com

Nofate

Surely the teachers didn't expect the children to do the cleaning up?  That's the government's job, right?

Nope

That's the janitors job.  This leaves room for Obama to create thousands of new janitorial jobs.  We have uncovered a new crisis which must be have a new trash czar with an agency of his own and at least a billion dollars to fund a study of the crisis :-)

avenar, I checked your bio and there's not much there.  Please tell me you see the hypocrisy in this??? 

"The future is not set.  There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."

michaelyon-online.com

Nofate, On the Contrary

Given these premises:

1. Human race is destroying the earth with trash

2. Big Government is the solution to all problems

3. People are clueless and helpless victims, and can't even think ahead of time about how to dispose of their trash properly, much less figure out their mortgages.

I think the inaguration trash gave Obama the needed mandate to 'rule'.  Don't you think?

Let's not use such a broad brush

Even though people such as Gore and other high profile libs are calling for massive and punitive reductions in peoples so-called carbon foot print, I don't think the average democrat voter shares the sentiment to the same degree.

According to the poll Joel linked 59% of dems believe in AGW. Same poll also says that of the electorate as a whole only 41% believe in AGW.

What some people here are assuming is that a belief in AGW also means that person is automatically a tree hugger who wants to ban the internal combustion engine.

Not to mention that AGW is supposedly caused by human produced CO2 and other emissions, not by litter or garbage dumps.

It's mixing apples and oranges.

These people are just lower class who don't feel they should have to clean up after themselves. Their view on what's causing the planet to warm has nothing to do with it.

That Dog Won't Hunt

"Even though people such as Gore and other high profile libs are calling for massive and punitive reductions in peoples so-called carbon foot print, I don't think the average democrat voter shares the sentiment to the same degree." 

But they keep voting them in.  By their passivity and lack of initiative to find the truth, they are as guilty as if they had instituted these policies themselves.  Go to any mainstream media outlet: newspaper, magazine, school supplies and teaching aids, Hollywood movies, you name it, the message is the same:  the U.S. is the bad guy and the country has gotten where it is because the WASPs have kept all the others under their boot.  Horsehockey.

It is similar with the muslims.  We keep hearing how Islam has been "hijacked" by radicals.  I would contend that it has been that way since the founding.  It was a part of the founding.  And, unless the "average" muslim who harbors no ill will to his fellow other religionists becomes willing to stand up and say "enough!" of this senseless hatred and anti-semitism and killing, they are just as guilty as their radical leaders and fighters.  They continue to support them financially which is tacit agreement.

The libs also support vast arrays of "charitable" and other financial networks that further the progressive agenda.  An agenda that is not much different than socialism other than in name.  Just because they don't necessarily agree is not enough.  They need to show their disagreement with their pocketbooks and their votes.

"The future is not set.  There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."

michaelyon-online.com

Good grief

Has Gore and company (or Obama for that matter) actually enacted anything that would make life difficult for the average dem as far as environmental regulations? NO!

And I would suggest you start trying to look at people as individuals instead of assigning them blame because of any group affiliation.

Has it crossed your mind that maybe, just maybe, people ( and in this case mostly black people) vote democrat for something other than their enviromental stance?

Most people arent single issue voters.

" They need to show their disagreement with their pocketbooks and their votes. "

Why? Because you say so? I may not agree with everything a certain republican stands for but that doesn't mean I shouldn't vote for him. I may agree with his other positions more strongly or find that the ones I do agree with outweigh the ones I don't. Isn't that how most informed voters do it?

"And, unless the "average" muslim who harbors no ill will to his fellow other religionists becomes willing to stand up and say "enough!" of this senseless hatred and anti-semitism and killing, they are just as guilty as their radical leaders and fighters.  They continue to support them financially which is tacit agreement. "

So any catholic who didn't say the same about the IRA was just as guilty as their leaders and fighters?

See how stupid it sounds when you insist on looking no further than someones religious, cultural, or ethnic affiliations?

There's a word for that and we both know what it is.

mvf

So any catholic who didn't say the same about the IRA was just as guilty as their leaders and fighters?"

You are actually making my point.  There were many in the Northern Ireland/Belfast areas who did stand up against the killing, both Catholic and Protestant.  Many paid with their lives for doing so.

The analogy between modern day liberals (actually progressives, as they are certainly not classical liberals, they have just adopted the label) works due to the overarching claims to moral superiority that each uses to achieve its ultimate goals.  The Catholic church has come a long way from that.  Where are the liberal questioners of Obama?  Why is it that Wright, Ayers etc. were almost exclusively discussed in the alternative media and dismissed by the MSM as a diversion?  Why do the muslims routinely use tactics like homicide bombing?- because it is taught to them as a part of their religion daily.  The religion has not progressed to the point where they are able to dismiss the idea of killing those who disagree with them.  If you believe that that is "stupid" you should do a little reading.  It is easily found, and nothing new.  But due to the efforts of the MSM to omit this information, it is unkown to most Americans.  Check out the intro to the Al Qaeda manual:

 

To those champions who avowed the truth day and night......Andwrote with their blood and sufferings these phrases...

-*-The confrontation that we are calling for with the apostateregimes does not know Socratic debates...,

Platonic ideals..., nor Aristotelian diplomacy. But it knows the dialogue of bullets, the ideals of assassination, bombing, and destruction, and the diplomacy of the cannon and machine-gun.

***... Islamic governments have never and will never be established through peaceful solutions and cooperative councils. They are

established as they [always] have been

by pen and gun

by word and bullet

by tongue and teeth

I am all for looking past "someones religious, cultural, or ethnic affiliations" and seeing them as Americans.  But the left won't let us do that, as Rev. Lowry emphasized during his little "prayer" on the steps of the capital.  As Tom Brokaw so eloquently put it to all the rednecks and racists(conveniently forgetting that the deocrat party was the party in power prior to the civil war, and during most of the Jim Crow shenanigans of the south.), "Take that".  Wonderful.

"Has it crossed your mind that maybe, just maybe, people ( and in this case mostly black people) vote democrat for something other than their enviromental stance?"

Has it crossed your mind that the vast majority of voters who elected Obama were white?  Did they do right?  Or are they supposed to fade away into the night?  Do you know that up until Kennedy, the majority of blacks voted Republican?  That single parent households have skyrocketed since they started voting democrat?  They have been bought off and the professional race baiters like Jackson & Sharpton work hard to make sure they are fed the democrat line.  What has the democrat party done for blacks?  There is not one other "cultural" demographic I am aware of in this country that has not picked itself up, gotten over past injustices, and gone on to improve it's condition in this country.  The greatness of this country is that groups of people can do that for themselves, assimilate and prosper.  But the racemongers in the democrat party refuse to allow that to happen.

"The future is not set.  There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."

michaelyon-online.com

A lot of what you say is true.

But that still doesn't give you carte blanche to indict entire segments of the population because of their views don't mirror yours.

Not to mention most of what you are arguing is waaaaaaay off topic. You keep trying to make a point by extension and digression.

Plenty of people have stood up against terrorism in Iraq, namely by joining the security forces.

I can't think of a bombing that has been committed on our soil since 9/11. So apparently the overwhelming majority of american muslims don't agree with the "cause" and methods of some other practitioners of their religion. But according to you they are still guilty. B.S.

"I am all for looking past "someones religious, cultural, or ethnic affiliations" and seeing them as Americans.  But the left won't let us do that,"

What a weak cop out. So you are going to engage in the same behavior because some other people with whom you disagree do it.That's a hell of a way to be a critical thinker. Although I suppose it is much easier to just lump people together and assign them all the same characteristics. You know, "those people".

It is plainly evident that you believe the world falls into two distinct groups. Those that think and act like you and those that don't.

And yeah, my point was that most black people vote democrat for the reasons you listed. By which I was pointing out that it has nothing to do with some liberals environmentalism or what they feel causes global warming.

So if you have anything that actually refutes my main points:

1. All people in a given religious, cultural, and ethnic group are indivuals and are not guilty of anything by belonging to said group. 

2. Working class black people don't give a **** about far left environmental causes.

3. AGW has nothing to do with littering.

But feel free to keep following your preduj.. oops I mean your view of things.

Cheers. It's beer thirty.

mvf

My original note:

Nope
January 22, 2009 - 12:08 ET by nofate
That's the janitors job.  This leaves room for Obama to create thousands of new janitorial jobs.  We have uncovered a new crisis which must be have a new trash czar with an agency of his own and at least a billion dollars to fund a study of the crisis :-)

avenar, I checked your bio and there's not much there.  Please tell me you see the hypocrisy in this??? 

To which you jumped in and replied:

Let's not use such a broad brush
January 22, 2009 - 12:27 ET by mvfreeman
Even though people such as Gore and other high profile libs are calling for massive and punitive reductions in peoples so-called carbon foot print, I don't think the average democrat voter shares the sentiment to the same degree.

According to the poll Joel linked 59% of dems believe in AGW. Same poll also says that of the electorate as a whole only 41% believe in AGW.

What some people here are assuming is that a belief in AGW also means that person is automatically a tree hugger who wants to ban the internal combustion engine.

Not to mention that AGW is supposedly caused by human produced CO2 and other emissions, not by litter or garbage dumps.

It's mixing apples and oranges.

These people are just lower class who don't feel they should have to clean up after themselves. Their view on what's causing the planet to warm has nothing to do with it.

Please note that my original note, to which you replied, was a tongue in cheek, humorous, satirical comment.  Even though your reply had nothing to do with my comment, I decided to engage you in debate.  In each of my replies I made analogies apropos to the discussion you initiated, because, again, your original reply to me had nothing to do with what I had written.  I also checked my replies closely and I don't believe I attacked you personally in any way.  So what followed was an attempt by me to continue the debate, while ignoring your denigrating personal comments, i.e.:

And I would suggest you start trying to look at people as individuals instead of assigning them blame because of any group affiliation.
Has it crossed your mind...
See how stupid it sounds when you insist on looking no further than someones religious, cultural, or ethnic affiliations?

There's a word for that and we both know what it is.
But that still doesn't give you carte blanche to indict entire segments of the population because of their views don't mirror yours.

Not to mention most of what you are arguing is waaaaaaay off topic. You keep trying to make a point by extension and digression.
What a weak cop out. So you are going to engage in the same behavior because some other people with whom you disagree do it.That's a hell of a way to be a critical thinker. Although I suppose it is much easier to just lump people together and assign them all the same characteristics. You know, "those people".

It is plainly evident that you believe the world falls into two distinct groups. Those that think and act like you and those that don't
But feel free to keep following your preduj.. oops I mean your view of things.

So in the course of this so-called debate, you have accused me of being stupid, prejudiced, unable to see people as individuals, wandering about in search of a thought, and copping out.  I would suggest, without sinking to your level, I hope, that you are guilty of all those things you accuse me of but are unable to see it because you are blinded by your inablility to see people as anything but part of a group that either fits your "good" category or your "bad" category.  Being conservative, well, we both know where that puts me in your view.  One of "those" people.

Pardon me while I extend and digress, but my analogy stands:

Democrats are to al Qaeda what the voters who voted into office the socialist Obama are to muslims that do not stand up and fight against the killing and hatred that is endemic to that religion.  Progressivism/socialism has become intertwined with the political power structure in this country, just as Islam is intertwined with the political establishments of the countries in which it is entrenced.  And as far as "believing that the world falls into two distinct groups.  Those that act like you and those that don't", you're right if you are talking about those that don't believe in individual freedom and responsibility vs. those that don't.  The progressive and muslim view is similar here also:  both believe that the state needs to be supreme- everything flows from the state, people belong to the state, and everything they own.  There is no true private property, only state property which we are allowed to use as the state sees fit.  And that goes against the grain for me.  I believe, like the founders, that if government is kept at bay, the private sector will flourish.  Government is the problem, not the solution.  And when government is kept in check, tyranny is held at bay.  Let government run amok, as it is attempting to do at present and you get a trampling of the rights of individuals.

And that's all I have to say to you.  This debate is over.

"The future is not set.  There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."

michaelyon-online.com

Just for clarification...

"Even though your reply had nothing to do with my comment"

My reply was to this comment:

"Please tell me you see the hypocrisy in this??? "

Good day.

Trash Czar

That's it!  I'm calling Obama for my new job, Trash Czar.

Now, this is slightly off topic, but I read this yesterday about a janitor....great stuff!  A short read, but well worth the few minutes it takes.

A Janitor's 10 Lessons in Leadership.

 

darn you JJ !!!

dont post links like that without the required Mascara Damage Alert !!! 

Oh and you owe me half a box of kleenex too !!!

Great stuff, eh Miss C?

I was thinking of sending it to Urby.  A leader can be anywhere.

Just goes to show that everyone deserves respect.

Sorry I forgot the Kleenex alert...I'll make it up to you.

 

Thank you Blonde

It's not off topic. We wouldn't get to learn about Mr. Crawford at any other news site.

Jesus Loves You

Cocodrie

I found that linked over at the excellent Blackfive site.

Where, it seems, it was reported that The One skipped the Innaugural Ball where there were 48 holders of the MOH in attendance, perhaps even Mr. Crawford.   Nothing like dissing our nations heros.

It's a site I visit regularly...and a hint, before you read Uber Pig's "Ask an Infantryman"....put anything spillable far away from your keyboard...the responses usually have me on the floor.   

 

Thanks for Blackfive

I'll be visiting there often. Jesus Loves You

Damn, Jackie!

That's going out in the e-mail.  PT needs to read that and then tell us again how grown men can't get an occasional tear in the eye.  What an amazing man.  What an amazing story. 

"The future is not set.  There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."

michaelyon-online.com

Hey nofate

You gave me the perfect segue.

Glad you enjoyed it.

 

 

Thank you

Linking to it as we speak.

Darn it Blonde--

You need to warn folks-- this old man has a lump in his throat that will take hours to go away.

I am not a person easily given to hero worship. I always remember my Dad saying that all men put their pants on one leg at a time. (I once challenged that, but that's a story for another day.) In spite of that I am very inclined to give deep respect to those who don the uniform of our country and great love for those who paid the supreme price.

Thank you for a wonderful story.

misterbill

I got 2 "darn its" for failing to put up a Kleenex alert.  Abject apologies.

It's such a fine story.  I thought of you, too, hoping that you'd see it.  I remember telling you about my uncle's town sending all of the vets to the WWII memorial.

I'm so glad you enjoyed it, as I did.

 

 

Blonde--

What is brack's plan for all our boys and girls in uniform when he brings them home?? He cannot put them back in their old jobs if they do not exist.

No matter what anyone thinks of the war, our troops lived up to their oath to our country and deserve the best. It is quite possible based on Brack's actions over the next few months that he may need a few thousand more Secret Service men.

Quite so

I doubt they'll want to join his "civilian" corps.

But mb, don't let it get you down.  We've been through rough patches before, we'll get through the Obama administration.

 

double standards

Avenar asks, "My goodness!  Why am I the punching bag suddenly?"

The point of the article is that liberals are the ones who are constantly crying about "saving the planet" and just look at the pig-sty they made of the nations capitol. It's kind of hypocriticial, don't you think? 

On another note, here's a liberal complaint about Bush "blowing" 50 million dollars in the 2005 inaugeration:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/jan/09/usa.theobserver

From the article, this is rich:

Many observers say it is all too much. 'We have elected a President who
seems to have quite a monarchical role. It is a bit of a coronation,'
said Larry Haas, a former official in Bill Clinton's White House.

Priceless.  Yes, they are talking about Bush.  Funny, I don't recall any liberal complaints about "blowing" 170 million dollars for the Obama-Rama.  

 

 

Mike

I am acutely aware of the double standard.

I am also aware that the liberals can look at this and use it as evidence of the inability of the populus to keep the environment clean without government intervention.  Individuals are incapable to get it done.  It has to be done by the government.

I am looking for a case and point where, indeed, it IS possible for individuals to get this accomplished without the meddling of the government.

I cannot believe I have to defend myself on NB.  This is the first.

reply to avenar

Well, I wasn't trying to attack you, but I did think you missed the point of the article. I can see your point, avenar.

Thank you Mike!

What a relief!

Case and Point

"I am looking for a case and point where, indeed, it IS possible for individuals to get this accomplished without the meddling of the
government
."

Case and Point:  It's volunteers who are cleaning up that mess, not the Government.  The government isn't requiring people to assist, they doing that on their own

Here's a good question: If Obama cares SO MUCH for the environment, then why didn't he issue an Executive Order requiring government employees to assist in the clean-up, like he did for the freezing of employee pay?

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

Cobra

How do you know it's not in the writing as we speak, a bill to appoint a Trash Czar with 30 gizilion-dollar budget, just in time to get passed right along with the women pay class action lawsuit and mandate for a nationalized US Bank?

It's possible...

... but I doubt it. It's more likely a Green Earth Bill will be created that will punish the National Parks Service for failing to provide enough trash receptacles.

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

avenar--

Good heavens man--not directed at you--directed at words spoken at the inauguration. Ignorant and inappropriate in my opinion.

 

But I ain't no paragon of rectitude!!!!

We are not your google monkies.

  You have a question, LOOK IT UP!

  It takes like six keystrokes. You want to make a counter argument, don't expect me to do your RESEARCH! 

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

Why? I's not in their consciousness. It never has been.

And it won't be, unless the Democrats, liberals and leftists pass soem law having a regulation.

But, then, enforcement's always a you-know-what, especially among the entitled and unruly,

You have a point...

But it's more about race and class and not ideology. At least in this instance, since a majority of the crowd appeared to be black.

Working class black people have never been a part of the enviromental movement in a meaningful way.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/33mkab0wxlabr24u/

Think about it. Every time we see the eco-nuts protesting who do you see on tv: white, twenty-something, hippie wannabes.

What about the planes!

I was waiting for some nice panoramic shots of the 600+ private jets that had landed in the DC area for the immaculation. Apparently the airports were having problems finding space to park them all. I didn't see a word of this in the old media however.

You are missing the point

This is an example of those immediate infrastrucure needs that the economic stimulus program can bring immediate relief to the american needs for employment.

 

An once we have mandatory volunteer marches to honor the Great Leader, we'll even have more garbage to pick up.

\sarc

Trash Hurlers

One difference between the Obama Inauguration garbage and Bush Inauguration garbage is that libs were hurling garbage in, rather than just dropping it, as they got water cannoned and pepper sprayed.  So it seems as if they are always leaving garbage.  Well, what you see is what you get

 http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/inauguration_protest_pepperspray.htm

It wasn't just the Americans in 2005

Liberals worldwide seem to have an affinity for trashing everything.

ROME —  Italian riot police used tear gas Saturday against anti-Bush demonstrators who donned face masks in defiance of a police order and threw bottles and other objects, disrupting an anti-globalization demonstration that was ending in the capital's ancient center.

Link

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

At least we know what all those new government jobs are....

....going to be.... Cleaning up after the liberals who trash everything they touch. Figures--it takes a liberal to make a mess, then crow about creating the jobs required to clean it up.

Noel--a possible answer, though vulgar

"If such is the case, why did the folks attending Barack Obama's inauguration on Tuesday treat our nation's capital like a toilet?"

 

...because of all the crap that has come out of there ?????

Crazy

This is crazy not the littering of the national mall by hypocritical liberals; but at the end of the video where the girl said, “lots of litter”- I knew that girl! She is from my same hometown…that nuts!

Liberals want to create


Liberals want to create a "nanny state" where the government takes care of all God's little children.  I guess they expect Mommy to pick up after them.

The real story...

They probably left their garbage behing intentionally to blame it on the Right to Lifers who are rallying there today...

follywood taught them to leave their mess

 

The Day The Earth Stood Still, ended with a carpet of lifeless 'civilization eating bugs' over vast tracts of land.

Obviously, the conservatives will be required to clean up that mess, left by liberals in the movie industry.

Most likely, the exhaust emissions from all that heavy equipment and trucks required to haul it off will cause more environmental damage than the movie did.

 

BUT HEY!!!  It wuz for a good cause, right?

This actually helps liberal causes

Because this illustrates that the citizenry in general are unable to take responsibility for their own actions.  Heck, they could not even endeavor to walk to the nearest trash can to dump their soda bottles.

Hence, this is exactly why we need President Obama and his big government.  President Obama will quadruple DC garbage management team.  He will outlaw coke bottles and newspapers.  He will add 100,000 trash cans to the Capitol. He will put $3 trillion in garbage reduction research at Harvard.  And he will invest $4 gizillion in the education of garbage awareness for college students.

Pigs will be pigs

Apparently, trash cans were removed for security reasons.  And pigs will be pigs.  Folks should take out what they brought in.  Isn't that the rule in national parks?

Practice, "Yes We Can . . . Pick Up Our Trash." 

Trash can were available

Trash can were available, they just filled up quickly, even 2 day before the inauguration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHw2oo3COro

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

Great video--

I just watched the video.  Neat that these two guys wanted to make sure that visitors didn't trash the national mall. 

It's unfortunate that the folks who came to Washington littered so egregiously. I understand there were not enough trash cans for security reasons--but come on folks--when in a national park do you look for a trash can?  Nope.  You carry out your litter.  That's a no-brainer.  I'm glad these two guys tried to get folks to pick up after themselves.  And it's very telling about how folks who were having orgasms over Obama (their savior) didn't bother to clean up after themselves.  Pigs.  Pigs.  Pigs.  

I live in a beautiful neighbhorhood that has a large park in it.  And on weekends when the park fills up with people having picnics, we can tell who the pigs were--because they leave their trash everywhere.  It's pathetic.  Pathetic.  

Do they live like this all the time? Lacking respect for themselves in this way?  This is the only reason I can think that they would then lack the respect it takes to not trash another person's property.  Or to trash the city's property.  Or in the case of this week in Washington, to trash the national mall.  Geez.  Pigs.  Typical loser, liberal, whining, victim Democrats.  Typical. I'm sick of it.

It's not just in Washington, it's everywhere.  Lack of respect for one's self carries out into a lack of respect for others, and for society.

Lack of pride in your own property carries over into a lack of pride in the property of others.  This is typical.

Self-hate begats hate for others.   

Here's a good quote

Here's a good quote: "People left behind a lot of trash. A lot of it was the vendors along the parade route, too,” Hobson said. “They left behind Obama hats, Obama bags, Obama socks."

Link

Obama socks?

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

Seagulls

I'm sure that even the Seagulls were awed by the amount of trash.

 Any Pledgers out there who pledged to clean up after themselves? Ashton, Demi, Beuller?

Hypocrisy...

..Thy name is lib.

Liberals are used to others doing their work

Liberals are accustomed to having others do their work for them.  Their attitude is, "Oh, this is someone else's job".  The attitude of entitlement was overflowing at the inaugural on Tuesday.  We all might as well get used to it.  On another note, salutes go to Newsbusters!  It appears the staff at Newsbusters kept up with all of the over-the-top biased reporting.  Thank you!

Responsibility is above their pay grade...

...especially the ones on welfare.

Woodstock

I remember Woodstock. All the "environmentalists", lovers of the earth, polluting the land and the water and then walking away from the mess, expecting someone else to clean it up. This was the beginning of modern "liberal" hypocrisy. Look at the pollution caused by this $200000000 "liberal" party on tuesday, while millions are out of work. Corporate jets and limos littering the scene. Plastic bottles and bags, crap everywhere. And the next day, like spoiled teens who'll never face reality, they go right back to spewing how they will "change the world". Modern "liberalism" is an ego-driven, self-centered, pathetic ideology which, ironically,  will  "change the world"--- by destroying it. 

 

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

"while millions are out of

"while millions are out of work. Corporate jets and limos littering the scene. Plastic bottles and bags, crap everywhere. And the next day, like spoiled teens who'll never face reality, they go right back to spewing how they will "change the world" "

Rush was talking about all the private jets at Reagan.  I'm pretty sure I heard him say they had to close down a runway to accomodate them all.  I wonder if they are all paying for dispensation to the high priest of carbon offsets Algore?  Just a thought:  I wonder how long it will take them to re-name Reagan??  That's got to be a thorn in the side of all those filthy rich do nothing- Ooops!-do gooder libs.  They're probably blasting their senators and congressmen right now about the injustice of having to park their Gulfstreams and Lears at an airport named after the king of the decade of greed!  LOL!

"The future is not set.  There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."

michaelyon-online.com

TRASH WE CAN!!

They didn't clean up the Mall because everyone thought they were doing exactly what that slimy Sophist(3) up on the pulpit wanted them to do. Didn't y'all here the indoctrination chant of "TRASH WE CAN! TRASH WE CAN! " reverberating around the grounds of the Mall?

The ascendancy of the Sophist is complete. 

As many have said, "It's gonna get a whole lot worse before it gets any better."

 

If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love youBut if you really make them think, they'll hate you.

Don Marquis 1878-1937

They bought Litter

They bought Litter Offsets.

Limited Disclosure:  I used to belong to the Sierra Club untill they went crazier. Worse of all, I was bribed by Exxon with free New Orleans Saints glasses with fill ups in the 70's.

Every HUGE event has trash.

As a side note-

The mass of humanity overwhelmed the paltry amount of trash receptacles. Did Security keep the number down to a minimum? A number of the eco-conscious did pick up after themselves. The extra trash left behind the HUGE event was picked up by professional cleaning crews. It's not as if the conservatives were a cleaner bunch at Bush's 2005 Inauguration...just a lot fewer of them to clean up after. 

As an eyewitness to the event, it wasn't as bad as depicted and seemed to be VERY well attended. I was able to get around quite easily.

FYI-I noticed no sacred eggs were thrown at the President while he walked along the parade route. No need to clean up the Limo this time.

Odd Job

Yawn.

*Waits patiently for an Oddjob response that does not invariably end being a "George Bush did it, too!" excuse...*

Blonde, where are you?

Here, Rog.

We need a better class of troll, here. ©

Better?

Oddjob---

You really should change your tag to Snowjob.

 

                    or--if you are white

 

from another thread by Reich change it to Nojob.

Dan's Bake Sale

Back in 1992, I went to a conservative event sponsored by Rush Limbaugh called Dan's Bake Sale. Over 75,000 people showed up. But when everyone left, the area was virtually devoid of litter. In fact, most events I've been to that were related to conservatives always seemed to be cleaner.

 It's quite easy to figure out. Conservatives are typically more self-governing and disciplined, while liberals depend on government or other people to "take care of them", including, apparently, picking up the trash.

It's because they are liberals!

As liberals they are concerned about the enviroment, however since they are liberals they don't want to actually do anything for themselves, they have to rely on the government to pick up their trash.

unbelievable.

personal responsibilty - 0.

"part of what I'm hoping to introduce as the next president is a new ethic of responsibility" - [President] B. Obama

Today the Mall, tomorrow the Nation

Check out the once great country of Venezuela

So much for: If you pack it in, pack it out

FREEDOM

(D)

 

Great link. Isn't he

Great link.

Isn't he their hero? 

Limited Disclosure:  I used to belong to the Sierra Club untill they went crazier. Worse of all, I was bribed by Exxon with free New Orleans Saints glasses with fill ups in the 70's.

upcountry

How very, very sad.

Socialism at it's best...

Spent a year living in Russia, in a city about 100 outside of Moscow.

Their beautiful parks looked just the same as the "after" pictures in the Venezuela film. 

So much for the success of many years of socialism.

v

The trash wasn't the result

The trash wasn't the result of green Obama supporters and democrats attending the inauguration but the result of evil neocons in the crowd dropping this litter in order to try to embarass the supporters of the incoming administration, together with covert Mossad agents who photoshopped photos of the Capitol to libel the clean earth democrat masses.

On a different note, why should we believe that dems in general are clean earthers or respect anything, given how they discarded and abused Old Glory during their convention? If you are willing to trash the Flag on the floor of the Dem Convention and send them to the garbage, why would the discarding of bottles, trash, etc, be of any more concern to democraps?

 

P.J. O'Rourke's

conservative grandmother always used to say "Nobody was ever so poor that they couldn't pick up their own yard." 

Since Bush attended the

Since Bush attended the event it's his fault, probably dumped it all from the helo on his way out to humiliate the "1".

They didn't clean up after themselves at Woodstock, either.

And have you ever seen the piles of refuse they leave lying around after an Earth Day event? Or how about after one of their touchy-feel-good "we are greener than you" concert events?

Remember, with these people, it is always "Do as we say, not a we do."

 

-Dave

“Them that’s going get on the wagon. Them that ain’t get out of the way.” -While there is still time.

Trash cans removed for

Trash cans removed for security reasons?

So what?  I would've thought the tree huggers would have brought string bags in which to deposit their refuse...how shocking that they didn't!  Oh, that's right...'conservation' is really for everyone else.

Funny...us Fascist Nazi Imperialist pigs in the Army were taught to leave an area cleaner than the way we found it.  Shoot, I still pick up after other people where I work and sometimes even in public.

One of the 24% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 89% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.

What a sad constituency...

Funny thing, the same people who burn down their cities when things don't go their way, show similar responsibility on the national mall.  Of course, I'm a racist for making that observation. 

 

MSM = PR firm for the Democrat Party

unkeeaf

Keen observation.. Trash is as trash does_____________-!

These guys cleaned up after themselves...

http://throughtheveil.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/stand-in-the-gap.jpg

This is typical of liberals in the media and those Democrats who inflate their importance and influance. When the Promisekeepers march happened in 1998 it was the first march in history that Filled the Mall (750,000 when full) OVERFLOWED the side street areas next to the mall and filled greater than a thrid of the elipse around the washington Monument. Now, the Liberals pushed the Million Man (Myth) March as having over a million men. It clearly did not. And when you look at the aerial photo's its clear. The Promise Keepers march was the largest in history. Later...there were even a lot of lies about the number of women who shoed up for the Abortion Rights march. The reason for the lying on this is clear...it means power of influance. If that many show up its meaningful so their numbers MUST be large or else their reason for the march is diminnished.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://throughtheveil.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/stand-in-the-gap.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2082528/posts&usg=__X39lgnMOJEfpsV1QqYM9-jE4H-o=&h=1077&w=801&sz=214&hl=en&start=15&um=1&tbnid=pnmtBkRm2z2VJM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=112&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpromise%2Bkeepers%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN

 

v

  • October 4, 1997, a million men "stood in the gap" for GOD
  • January 20, 2009, less than a million "stood in the trash" for their god...

I'd really like to get a dig in on the left

but immense amounts of trash are very common after large special events on the mall especially the 4th of July. I recall that there was a huge mess after the Pope's visit but a later and very large evangelical event with several hundred thousand participants was very clean with no trash on the ground. 

Change: When the winds of change blow hard enough, the most trivial of things can become deadly projectiles. From a Poster

Couple of answers: dirty

Couple of answers: dirty hippies & people used to living in these kind of surroundings.  It they don't like what I write (the truth) then change.

You may not believe this....

But the website of NEO-NAZI Hal Turner covered this.  Of course it was in his own way. 

LANGUAGE ALERT!!!!!!!!! 

Want the PLAIN truth and no spin?  Listen to The Plains Radio Network online.  It's like nothing you've ever heard. 

www.plainsradio.com

Language Alert?

That's putting it mildly.

A disgusting site.

 

No representation, without taxation!

Interesting

Hal Turner, his readers, and at least some of the liberals arguing on this thread, seem to agree that the mess was caused by blacks. That is, as far as liberals ever just come out and just SAY something, but it seems to be their point.

I find that interesting.

 

What do you expect?

From the hordes of 'give it to me for free, I deserve it' Obamites swooning over the big B.O. and his glorious ascension into the White House, how could you expect anything different?  Someone else will take care of their filth -- someone who needs to pay them pennance for their heretofore atrocious treatment by the heartless conservatives who claim the audacity to expect personal accountability.  As for the flag?  They have about as much use for it as Mr. Obama - a token for the sake of the media to be discarded when the cameras aren't looking.

Why do you empower the people you believe did this?

Question:

Why do you empower the people you believe did this? Why do you purchase goods from them, allow them to be your sales person when buying a car, home and so on, allow them to be your insurance agent...etc? Why? You can complain or you can empower YOURSELVES. You do have some choices that the government cannot dictate you must make and those choices are very, very, very powerful and impacting...if you will make them.

Reality is the good friend of the strong and perception is the cruel master of the weak.

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