Believe it or not, global warming is being cited as one of the reasons a US Airways flight landed in New York's Hudson River on Friday.
Media were considering blaming the incident on the Bush administration until it became apparent that as a result of pilot Chesley B. "Sully" Sullenberger's heroic efforts, as well as those of his flight crew, there were no fatalities.
With nothing bad to pin on the current President, the good folks at Time magazine found another predictable culprit (h/t Tom Nelson):
Al Gore should be very proud of himself.Wildlife mitigation is the official term for avoiding accidents like these, and according to the government's latest report on the topic, it's becoming an increasing concern. The report, which was released in June by the Federal Aviation Administration and the U.S. Department of Agriculture, Department of Transportation and Fish and Wildlife Service, found that since 1990, the number of bird strikes has quadrupled, from 1,759 in 1990 to a record 7,666 in 2007. Officials cite a number of possible causes for the increase:
• Most commercial airlines are now replacing older three- and four-engine planes with more-efficient double-engine aircraft. Because these newer engines are quieter, birds are less likely to detect and avoid them. Worse still, fewer engines mean fewer backups should a plane and a flock of birds cross paths.
• While officials use radar and radio collars to track bird populations, habitat destruction and climate change have disrupted migratory patterns.
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Odd, but I would have
January 17, 2009 - 14:32 ET by SpaceManSpiffOdd, but I would have thought someone would have linked the banking collapse with Global Warming before this.
The truth is, the Canada goose population in NY doesn't migrate, so migration patterns have nothing to do with this incident.
SpaceMS , The eco powers that be, transplanted the geese there?
January 17, 2009 - 15:47 ET by upcountrywaterSome body in western Colorado, Thought is would be a good idea to bring a flock of Canadian Geese, to live there...
Now this flock never leaves and are multiplying... They are PESTS... their nick name is: SKY CARP...
Here a goose, there a goose, everywhere another goose. In the early
1960s, federal and state wildlife agencies worked to increase low
Canada goose populations in North America. They were so successful that
numbers increased from just under 250,000 birds in 1970 to more than 2
million in 1996. Now, many of the growing numbers of geese have settled
in urban and suburban areas and are considered pests.
THE ECO KOOKS ARE BRINGING DOWN AIRCRAFT!
FREEDOM
(D)
Global warming is also responsible for me spending
January 17, 2009 - 14:38 ET by JTPway too much on diesel fuel this year cleaning off my driveway from all this snow. Global warming is responsible for my water pipes expanding and bursting. By the way.. all of those 12 pound birds are absent from Michigan this winter that I have seen. Maybe they knew that global warming was going to be pretty bad this year and they moved further south (New York maybe). I think they would have been better off blaming Bush. It would have made more sense.
Solution to the problem: Extend the goose hunting season and allow shooting from the sky scrapers.
"I need more cowbell!" SNL
allow shooting from the sky
January 17, 2009 - 17:14 ET by ThisnThatallow shooting from the sky scrapers
I say, install machine guns on the wings.
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Here's a little light reading for more background...
January 17, 2009 - 14:42 ET byInteresting how they reported on a number of other factors in the article, good link...I did find a lengthy report on Bird migration and climate change as added background information. Of course, it will be scuttled as alarmist propaganda by the deniers of Global Warming.
Odd Job
OJ
January 17, 2009 - 14:44 ET by Noel SheppardOJ,
If you want to continue posting here, you should immediately cease referring to folks that don't believe this nonsense as deniers. This is an offensive epithet that will not be tolerated, and you won't be warned again. ns
Noel... Thanks for
January 17, 2009 - 14:50 ET by Clear thinkerNoel...
Thanks for sticking up for us "realists".
Ecofascists Losing War
Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/
My sincere apologies...
January 17, 2009 - 14:56 ET byDon't want to rock the boat...I'll refrain from labels. If they don't believe in this nonsense, how should I refer to them in a respectful way? Nothing offensive, of course...May I cite Governmental Organizations such as the USGS?
Again my apologies to those I have offended from my comments.
Odd Job
as an add-on...
January 17, 2009 - 14:59 ET byI think it's all over-blown on both sides, anyway...Too much hype and not enough moderate discussions...
Odd Job
OJ
January 17, 2009 - 15:02 ET by Noel SheppardOJ,
Debating is fine. We do it all the time here, and unlike those on the left, encourage opposing views. However, denier has a negative connotation, especially as it is often connected to those that deny the holocaust. ns
Understood.
January 18, 2009 - 10:04 ET byHow about "Mavericks"?
I did find an interesting discussion on this very issue and the genesis of the labeling by Robert Pelke, Jr. I'll respect your request.
Odd Job
OJ
January 17, 2009 - 15:12 ET by shawn228If you got time to know the posters on this site, you will find most of them are very passionate about their beliefs and most will debate you, if you do not bring up the old tired liberal talking points like blood for oil.
Noel is being quite patient with you, the kiss of death is when he says "adieu" :-)
He had my vote
Thanks for the heads up...
January 18, 2009 - 10:11 ET byshawn228,
You got "passionate" right! I'm not sure on the debating aspect, I'd say it's more in line with a swarming attack not much you can do with 10 to 1 odds. "Old tired liberal talking points"? What are some new ones?
Odd Job
Oddjob
January 18, 2009 - 12:04 ET by shawn228This is a conservative site, and you will have to accept that the refs are tilted to the right.
He had my vote
So right...
January 18, 2009 - 12:11 ET byshawn228,
...where's the "Fairness Doctrine" when you need it? That's a joke, people, settle down...I think it's great to have the ability to squelch dissent and censor debating points...freedom of speech be damned in the private sectors of society. Plenty of opposing sites to battle for the hearts and minds of the public masses...it's all about choice.
Odd Job
OddJob
January 18, 2009 - 12:17 ET by shawn228Check out some of my other posts and you will you see that I am not a big fan of the GOP at all.
I have been ragged on for my liberal points of view as well however..
This is my favorite site because the mods on here allow opposing points of view, I truly doubt that you can find another site on the left or right like this one.
He had my vote
Good morning Shawn
January 18, 2009 - 12:29 ET by cocodrieII suppose I am one of your "raggers", but I like your return ragging. Life would be very dull if we were all identicaly made.
I pray all is well with you and yours.
Jesus Loves You
Good morning cocodrie
January 18, 2009 - 12:39 ET by shawn228I don't mind ragging at all, I would like it even better when a certain person can back it up when they call me obtuse ;-) or deliberately avoids a question.
He had my vote
Shawn
January 18, 2009 - 12:51 ET by cocodrieObtuse was merely an opinion that probably deserves a retort of your choice. That was what I thought of your attitude at that time.
I don't believe that some questions merit a response.
People who never disagree are people that are not communicating with one another.
I meant it when I said I pray all is well with you.
Jesus Loves You
Thanks...I will.
January 18, 2009 - 12:32 ET byshawn228,
I'm all over the map when it comes to my views...more independent, less ideologue...life's too short to be too serious, angry, bitter, etc. Having a little fun here and there...nothing but words on a screen in the long run...
Odd Job
nothing but words on a
January 18, 2009 - 12:38 ET by botgnothing but words on a screen
;^ )
tells always tell
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
oddjob
January 18, 2009 - 12:21 ET by botgit is not about squelching debate it's about you not wasting our time with the same old debunked lies.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
How hard is it?
January 18, 2009 - 01:24 ET by G. MayThere are many reasonable alternatives to the intellectually dishonest term "denier". Along with the others already offered, these two come to mind immediately:
- Skeptic
- Critic
I find your inability to use such common words either disingenuous or indicative of poor understanding of the language. Somehow I suspect the former.
All scientists ...
January 18, 2009 - 10:20 ET byG.May,
...are skeptics.
Odd Job
What's overblown is the
January 18, 2009 - 02:27 ET by marvlWhat's overblown is the credence given to thumb sucking idiots like Al Gore. It doesn't take an IQ much above room temperature to figure out that those scientists with any real qualifications to possess an opinion on this topic (e.g., Richard Linden of M.I.T.) typically consider the notion of manmade climate change to be utter nonsense. Personally, I find the term "alarmist" to be a misnomer. They should more properly be termed "morons."
We've been getting so much snow and cold temperatures this winter, and so many low temperature and snowfall records have been broken, that it seems evident that manmade global warming is propelling us into a new ice age. We need to do something about manmade global warming before the world's oceans completely freeze over and the artic ice caps extend to the equator. I am fearful that, if left unchecked, manmade global warming will eventually cause the very air we breath to liquify. Send me money and I will fix this problem.
It's "Lindzen".
January 18, 2009 - 10:15 ET bymarvl,
He's a shill. At least, he's getting paid in a big way.
Odd Job
OddJob
January 18, 2009 - 10:25 ET by choselife3xSo let me see if I've got this straight.
You are a former? Marine (automatic bad@ss qualification) who believes in manmade global warming?
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
As I have said...
January 18, 2009 - 10:53 ET byC3x,
The hype is overblown on both sides of the debate. There needs to be civil discussions on forums like this site...it's a form of educating the masses. The scientific community will always have skeptics. Actually, all scientists are skeptics. The predominant consensus of the scientific community is Global warming is taking place. There is, of course, people who will confuse their local weather with long range climate change forecasts. It's the increase in global temperature and it's possible link to the burning of fossil fuels that has the majority of the scientific community worried. The burning of fossil fuels pumps or releases billions of pounds of CO2 (along with other greenhouse gases) into the atmosphere. Will the extra billions of pounds of CO2 cause irreversible damage to the only planet humans are able to survive? Little changes now are better than huge fixes in the future. Or maybe not?
Odd Job
There is NO 'Consensus' on "Man-Made" Global Warming
January 18, 2009 - 13:48 ET by PopularTechIf you think one exists then please present the scientific survey of scientists proving this.
NO 'Consensus' on "Man-Made" Global Warming
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
What makes you think
January 18, 2009 - 13:45 ET by Blondeyou have arrived here and NOW it's time for debate?
Dude, our world did not begin one week and six days ago when you became a member of NB.
This topic has been debated to death on this board, without your oh, so sage presence. I suggest you read the archives, to "educate your mass(es)".
P.S. A hint. If you don't want to be laughed out of the room....quit posting about "consensus" of whomever agree about AGW.
Please stop the propaganda about Richard Lindzen
January 18, 2009 - 13:37 ET by PopularTechRichard S. Lindzen - MIT's inconvenient scientist
"He's smart. He's an effective debater. No wonder the Steve Schneiders and Al Gores of the world don't want you to hear from him. It's easier to call someone a shill and accuse him of corruption than to debate him on the merits.
Of course Lindzen isn't a fake scientist, he's an inconvenient scientist. No wonder you're not supposed to listen to him."
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
Well, horse feathers
January 19, 2009 - 02:54 ET by marvlMy finger missed the z key. Rats, rats, rats. Darn it, I just knew you were smarter than me.
Odd Job, shills do not become professors at M.I.T. If you had more than a boiled turnip between your ears you would know this. You realize I could put up a website of my own and contradict every point in the page whose link you posted? Indeed, I could put together a webpage "proving" what a demented idiot you are.
Much of the nonsense on your shill site in in the form of a so-called negative proof, a logical fallacy. The author makes use of other fallacious logical constructs. Bottom line is, it's mostly garbage of the hot, steaming, brown variety.
Between Richard Lindzen and James Hansen, I think I'll put my money on Lindzen. Hansen is a known crackpot. As for you, may I suggest you find a few odd jobs to occupy your time? That way, you'll not bother the adults on this site.
More like no Debate on the Subject
January 18, 2009 - 02:45 ET by PopularTechAl Gore refuses to debate...
Czech President Klaus ready to debate Gore on climate change (The Earth Times)
Dennis T. Avery Challenges Al Gore to a Debate (The Heartland Institute)
Lord Christopher Monckton Challenges Al Gore to a Debate (Center for Science and Public Policy)
Ivy League Professor Bets Al Gore $10,000 He’s Wrong About Global Warming (NewsBusters)
Why Won’t Al Gore Debate? (The Heartland Institute)
Will Al Gore Melt? If not, why did he chicken out on an interview? (The Wall Street Journal)
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
How hard is it?
January 17, 2009 - 15:46 ET by CobraMan"If they don't believe in this nonsense, how should I refer to them in a respectful way?"
You could call us "the opposition." You could even refer to us as "others." Both terms indicate someone who doesn't agree with you, or with a different opinions, and without insulting someone.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
I prefer "Non-adherent to
January 17, 2009 - 20:41 ET by BDI prefer "Non-adherent to the religion of Global Warming" myself....
I always liked the term "glomophobe".
January 17, 2009 - 15:19 ET by superconIt makes it seem more bigoted.
Because with a name like Obama... you know it has to be good.
supercon, I like Climate Commie, but Noel won't let me use it.
January 17, 2009 - 20:09 ET by R D HelmToo bad, too, because in OJ's case, it fits perfectly. :-)
-Dave
“Them that’s going get on the wagon. Them that ain’t get out of the way.” -While there is still time.
Try climatesexual....
January 17, 2009 - 20:58 ET by superconit's got a progressive ring to it.
Because with a name like Obama... you know it has to be good.
supercon,
January 18, 2009 - 03:15 ET by R D HelmLOL-That's even better than climate commie.
-Dave
“Them that’s going get on the wagon. Them that ain’t get out of the way.” -While there is still time.
I'm sorry, but your link
January 17, 2009 - 15:09 ET by ThatDudeI'm sorry, but your link doesn't really show proof of anything. It's all conjecture based off of modeling. They start out with the assumption that the globe will warm at an alarming rate and then (falsely) evaluate what effects that might have on global avian populations. Also, shouldn't birds be one of the most adaptable creatures when it comes to changing weather and climate? They have far greater mobility than any land or sea creatures and many are migratory based on the seasons. The canary in the coal mine analogy doesn't quite work aside from the commonality that you're talking about birds. The canaries in the coal mine were trapped and were to be a warning that the air was no longer breathable. Left to their own, they can adapt in order to save themselves, or fail to and die. It's this little thing called natural selection (or does Darwin only matter if you want to say we came from monkeys?). Blaming us on the extinction of animals through climactic attacks is silly.
I've gone on longer than I meant to, but I'd like to make one final point. Stop calling it "climate change." Call it global warming again, because the term climate change is a cop-out that allows any change to be used as proof, when the climate always changes. Politicians, environmentalists, and al gore aren't pretending to create a stable climate, but to prevent or minimalize what they call unprecendented warming caused by us. Stay consistent and call it man-made global warming rather than man-made climate change, because in the end our actions to adapt to rapid heating will be much different than actions against unpredictable weather or possible global cooling.
Climate Change used to be
January 17, 2009 - 15:43 ET by AntiMediaClimate Change used to be called Spring, Summer, Winter and Fall.
In Minnesota
January 17, 2009 - 16:07 ET by CobraManHere in Minnesota we have to seasons: Snow Removal and Mosquito Control, otherwise know as the Icemelt Season and the OFF! Season. (Visit one of our Off! Season Resorts!)
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
Cobra...I hear you! I'm next door in...
January 17, 2009 - 16:12 ET by PrairieSkyNorth Dakota, and we have the same 2 seasons...We're digging out from under almost 5 feet of snow over here!
We do have beautiful (but short) summers and falls though, don't we?
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan~ January 20, 1981
A long, cold winter
January 17, 2009 - 16:16 ET by CobraManA long, cold winter does tend to makes us more observant, and appreciative, of spring and summer, doesn't it?
Fall, on the other hand, is a reminder of the bitter cold days to come.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
Right you are!
January 17, 2009 - 16:23 ET by PrairieSkyWe treasure our springs and summers up here. And even though fall ushers in winter, I think the autumn's up here, for the most part, are really beautiful. Most years we have a period of Indian Summer, that is just wonderful...Warm, sunny days with cobalt blue skies, and cool, crisp nights when you can smell the wood smoke from folks cranking up their indoor fireplaces and outdoor firepits...I love it!
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan~ January 20, 1981
Slightly Jealous
January 18, 2009 - 06:00 ET by thebutlerdiditWell, right now it is pretty dang cold in GA, but I would be willing to do a trade with you guys for a little of that white stuff. It was "snowing" here, earlier this evening, but it was 36 degrees, and it was only floating in the air. Like everyone, this is of course a very cold winder for us, but we have a variety of seasons here. Winter, Winter/Spring, Spring/Summer, {The last 2 usually only last a couple of weeks each}, then Summer, Summer, Summer/Fall, Fall/Winter. The easiest way to figure it out, is that from April-October will mostly be hot.
Bringing the government in to run Wall Street is like saying, "Dad burned the dinner, let's get the dog to cook." PJ O'Rourke
Gee Cobra
January 17, 2009 - 16:46 ET by BlondeMy ex (who was from Eden Prairie) always told me the two seasons in Minnesota were.....winter & road construction.
Ancient History
January 17, 2009 - 18:28 ET by CobraManThat seasonal description is Ancient History as we now continue to repair the roads year round, even AS we remove the snow.
From the MnDOT site:
Note the date! Those poor union workers!
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
How do CANADIAN Geese in the
January 17, 2009 - 16:32 ET by ApacheHow do CANADIAN Geese in the US provide ammo for Global Warming enthusiasts? Seems to me if they were too hot they would move back to Canada. I think the greatest problem the alarmists are having other than the record cold and ten years of cooling is the constant stream of nonsensical declarations by their own proponents that fail to pan out. At some point you guys need to look at how your theory matches up with observed data and all your appeals to authority aren't going to help you deal with what you see. That's a key requirement of science that the alarmists have simply skipped.
→ Build The D&#ned NET!!
January 17, 2009 - 16:40 ET by Cool ArrowAs I indicated in an earlier post this morning, the fault lies with Ducks Unlimited. This seemingly benevolent organization has unwittingly attracted Illegal Canadian geese to fly the routes American Geese just won't fly.
Build a Net!
LOL
January 17, 2009 - 17:04 ET by ApacheBunch of Canadian terrorist aves if you ask me.
Heh.
January 17, 2009 - 18:30 ET by CobraManThat's similar to what I said when I was watching the news last night. When the newscaster mentioned that the birds were Canadian Geese, I exclaimed "Those Damn Canadians!" My wife got a kick out of that one.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
You need to realize that
January 17, 2009 - 17:35 ET by kgYou need to realize that the climate is changing, yesterday, today and tomorrow. The climate has hanged since the beginning of the Earth. Life on Earth adapts to the climate changes. Man does not cause the climate to change. Also man cannot change the climate. While polluting less and taking better care of the Earth is very noble and efforts should be made, it will have no noticeable effect on the climate.
Look at history and the climates life had to endure. Life that couldn't adapt became extinct and other species are born. It is a never ending cycle.
The whole idea behind the global warming theory is to take a snapshot of the climate and spend trillions of dollars not to mention countless man hours to make sure that the climate doesn't waiver from that snapshot. It is ridiculous to even think that is possible. There are too many factors.
CO2 as a cause of global warming is nothing but a scam to generate money.
This comes not from a guy on the street but someone who has studied and worked with climate and weather for close to 50 years.
"Forget change, I want improvement!"
Paper on birds flying into plane engines?
January 17, 2009 - 21:15 ET by PopularTechDo you have a paper showing that due to global warming birds will fly into plane engines? Because any discussion of migration is irrelevant to this basic point.
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
Of course, it will be
January 18, 2009 - 10:59 ET by motherbeltOf course, it will be scuttled as alarmist propaganda by the deniers of Global Warming.
It's interesting that you would claim "deniers" are the ones who scuttle information, when it is the AGW believers who censor the opinions of the scientists who don't share their beliefs.
Bjorn Lomborg is one example (emphasis mine):
AGW supporters are also bringing back the Inquisition, where the power
of the state is used to silence one’s scientific opponents. The case of
Bjorn Lomborg is illustrative. Lomborg is a tenured professor of
mathematics in Denmark. Shortly after his book, “The Skeptical
Environmentalist,” was published by Cambridge University Press, Lomborg
was charged and convicted (later reversed) of scientific fraud for
being critical of the “consensus” view on AGW and other environmental
questions. Had the conviction been upheld, Lomborg would have been
fired.
That the conviction was reversed is irrelevant. The personal an professional costs of contesting such a charge are meant to act as a deterrent to straying from the "accepted" opinion.
Actually...I'm stepping away from labeling...
January 18, 2009 - 12:43 ET bymotherbelt,
Bjorn Lomborg stated in his book...
Interesting, don't cha think? I have to allow you to make up your own mind on what he thinks...
Odd Job
If only the entire
January 17, 2009 - 14:45 ET by Jack BauerIf only the entire contiental US was covered in massive WIND FARMS!
That means giant rotating blades would slice all those geese before they could fly into the engines of commercial airliners.
Wind Farms = a BIRD HOLOCAUST folks.
That's why
January 17, 2009 - 14:55 ET by UpNorthJohn Freakin Kerry and Teddy, I don't remember that bridge. Kennedy didn't want wind farms on Martha's Vineyard, they don't want to see the poor birds fly into the blades. I'm watching the global warming deposit another 4-7inches of snow in my driveway today. Seems we're close to having the second heaviest seasonal snow fall in history here in west Michigan. But, I'm sure the eco-whackos can find an illogical explanation for it.
But, I'm sure the
January 17, 2009 - 15:04 ET by Jack BauerWell, I always blame the ancient native American "Snow God" -- Mucha Icea. Then I sacrifice a wild envirowhacko! Works for me.
Just don't put those
January 17, 2009 - 15:04 ET by MazziJust don't put those wind farms anywhere near the hypocritical limousine liberals. This is classic! http://www.usatoday....
"I would rather be historically accurate than politically correct" ~ My husband's T-Shirt
The best explanation for this comes from the People's Cube
January 17, 2009 - 14:45 ET by DaMavhttp://www.thepeople...
troofer contest
January 17, 2009 - 15:28 ET by TjexciteWe had a troofer contest at work. It was to think of the biggest tinfoil moonbat conspiracy to why this plane when down. This idea came up, even with little helmets and eye scopes to see the target.
If there was even one fatality we would have never thought of the jocularity but hey.
Long live George W. Bush
Troofer contest?
January 17, 2009 - 15:34 ET by Trix RabbitThat's an easy one. It was ALL GW Bush's fault.
The plane went down while GW was reading that book about a pet goat.
Liberal: a power worshipper without power. George Orwell
posted in wrong place =P
January 17, 2009 - 15:04 ET by MazziBlame the Endangered Species act.
January 17, 2009 - 15:11 ET by CobraManIf people MUST place blame, they should place that blame with the Endangered Species Act as the Canadian Geese which brought down the airliner is listed as a PROTECTED species even though that "endangered" species numbers around 5 MILLION birds.
Had the Canadian Geese NOT been listed as an endangered species, hunters would have been allowed to get rid of the damn things around our airports. But, no, they are protected, so now their numbers have risen to the extent that they are the BIGGEST airborne threat to our nation's aviation industry.
This is NOT the first time that Canadian Geese have brought down an aircraft. Most of those "bird strikes' have KILLED people. It's a miracle that this incident didn't kill everyone on board.
What's more important, people's lives or a well populated species that, for no know reason, is listed as ENDANGERED? I guess the stupid birds are more important, right?
So: Geese Fly, People DIE!
Take THAT, envronuts!
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
Do Canadian geese breath
January 17, 2009 - 17:42 ET by ThisnThatDo Canadian geese breath oxygen, and emit CO2? They are the cause of Global Warming. Killing them off will do two things: (1) Save lives, and (2) Earn carbon credits for every hunter that kills them.
In fact, the USAIR pilot has probably just picked up a lifetime of carbon credits. Too bad he had to ditch an airplane in the process, but -- that's what happens in the wacky world of Al Gorites.
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Are eco freaks the solution or are they the problem
January 17, 2009 - 15:35 ET by dbo1 extra molecule of CO2 for every 10,000 molecules didn't bring down the US Airways flight but you have to wonder if a $200,000 earmark by Sen. Schumer (D-NY) in 2004 did. Canadian geese were saved from being slaughtered in favor of a humane way of relocating geese in the NY area.
http://planetgore.na...
dbo
January 17, 2009 - 16:01 ET by BlondeThis is just nuts.
The Department of Agriculture can issue permits to kill these nuisance birds.
Ever notice birds at a landfill? Well, there's a USDA program to keep the birds off the active face of the 'fill because they are a huge vector for disease. So there's a USDA person who hangs out on the 'fill and shoots off firecrackers and shotguns to keep the nuisance birds away. And yeah, sometimes they pop a bird, just to keep them honest.
The same thing would (and does) work at airports....take away the desirable habitat that surrounds an airport, and then set up a "predator".
Almost Impossible
January 17, 2009 - 16:11 ET by CobraMan'The Department of Agriculture can issue permits to kill these nuisance birds."
That is almost impossible as Canadian Geese are listed as a protected species.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
We don't have Canada geese in Florida
January 17, 2009 - 16:48 ET by BlondeBut the Department of Agriculture can permit whatever they want to in this regard.
Dirty little secret.
Florida department, or US
January 17, 2009 - 18:37 ET by CobraManIs that the Florida department, or US?
Not that it matters much, but when the government realizes that "culling" (we call that huntin' up north, ya know) of the birds around the airports are necessary (and yes, we get the nasty little pop-machines here all the time), I'll be found hanging around the runways at the MPS/StPaul International Airport with my trusty 20 gauge and a belt full of birdshot.
Hay, Hunny! Fire up the grill! I brought home the Christmas Goose a little early this year!
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
The again, I don't understand most things
January 17, 2009 - 16:31 ET by dboThis is nuts, is't it!? But at least the government is consistent. :-)
Are they blind?
January 17, 2009 - 15:39 ET by CobraMan"While officials use radar and radio collars to track bird populations, habitat destruction and climate change have disrupted migratory patterns"
Are the people at Time Magazine blind? It is NOT "global warming' that has "disrupted migratory patterns," it is the birds following their migratory instincts and staying where food and water is available, just as they do when there are no humans around.
The Geese that brought down this airliner were NOT migratory in the sense that they were merely "laying over" (no pun intended) on their way to another location. These birds stay in an area the ENTIRE winter season as long as there is open water available for them and an abundant food source, both of which is found in this particular area and all thanks to the human beings who built the cities they are "visiting."
So much for the "experts" at Time Magazine.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
Actually, Noel - it was Al Gore's fault - Quack
January 17, 2009 - 15:42 ET by Gary HallActually, Noel - it was Al Gore's fault - Quack
NBers - while considering the failure of Gore/Clinton on this airline safety issue - don't fear that your mind might veer to the thought of how this disgraceful example of how this Clinton/Gore sell out might have led to 9/11.
July 1996 - PRESIDENT CLINTON: I have asked Vice President Gore to take charge of a commission to review aviation safety, security, and the pace of modernization of the air traffic control system.
“The Gore Commission's final report which will examine the entire government role in aviation is expected in mid 1997.” PBS. Online News Hour SEPTEMBER 3, 1996
‘On Sept. 20, 2001, the Boston Globe broke the story of how the so-called Gore Commission had failed in its mission to address airline safety. The Globe claimed this failure "represents the clearest recent public example of the success that airlines have long had in defeating calls for more oversight." The Globe traced that failure to a series of campaign donations from the airlines to the Democratic National Committee in 1996 ..
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Key word being, "would."
In memory of the thousands who died, because special interest money was more important to Al Gore, than the security of the United States and it's citizens.
But, of course . . .
January 17, 2009 - 15:57 ET by CKA in Red State USACatastrophic anthropogenic global warming and President Bush are reponsible for ALL that ills America and the world, don't you know?
BTW: "Mitigation" simply means to lessen by some unspecificed amount.
I'd think "Wildlife minimization," as it applies to the airspeaces around airports, would be the goal.
But, then, the enviro-wackos would rather see geese migrating than the safety of the humans on airplanes, wouldn't they?
BTW: In yet another reach, where Time connects dots that cannot be, a Time columnist recently panned clean-coal technology to reduce greenhouse gases. The implement? That failure of the sludge pond in Kingston, Tenn.
Thing is, clean-coal technology, as used in the CAGW/GHG context, has NEVER been associated with anything but the emissions out of the stacks of coal-fired power plants.
But, leave it to Time and those of their distorted, Chicken-Little mentality to find cause where none exists or can be attributed.
And they and the eco-religionists wonder why so many people scoff at their arguments?
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January 17, 2009 - 16:36 ET by owlpelletsI spent part of my days in college as a waterfowl guide in the early 70's. Back then, our local goose populations were increasing throughout the Winter. We called it "short stopping.' It was due to the increasing areas that were being farmed and giving the birds a more constant food supply during the winter. They tended to not have to migrate as far South as they had much available feed. Geese are primarily a grazers. With lots of winter wheat being grown and the wind blowing much of the snow from newfields, they had plenty to eat without having to go further South. If these birds have open water and food, they will stay put. There were many articles concerning this, especially in the Central Flyway. Perhaps it may seem different from the New York offices of TIME but they are lazy and more than willing enough to spread this pap without doing real research.
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Don't blame me....I voted for Palin...
they do not migrate as much
January 17, 2009 - 16:50 ET by Interested and concerned CDNthey do not migrate as much because cities and urban areas provide them with enough food.
Quite sure
January 17, 2009 - 17:01 ET by bigtimerQuite sure congress-critters will do something speedy to fix this terrible problem....
Whatever it takes to continue their absurdity...at everyones expense...except of course their lobbying groups/agenda.
Never-ending.
Can't be that the # of flights have quadrupled since 1990?
January 17, 2009 - 17:36 ET by c5thenNo! That can't be the reason. Must be global warming. But then it's also global warming that is the cause of the Hudson river not being all iced over in mid January too, right?
Hey, I got the wrong "CHANGE"!
Alan Keyes / Sarah Palin - 2012
Question
January 17, 2009 - 17:39 ET by Copperhead Ridge• While officials use radar and radio collars to track bird
populations, habitat destruction and climate change have disrupted
migratory patterns.
How does NYC classify in the "habitat destruction" for canada geese?
Are canadas really endangered? I see them by the hundreds near my house in the summer. In the far western end of my state (Kentucky) the Mississippi flyway brings them in by the thousands -- the tens of thousands. I have photos of 50,000 canadas covering the fields and sloughs in Ballard County, Kentucky.
My guess is that there are more "mitigations" between aircraft and birds because there are more birds these days. Watermelons never admit this stuff, but it's the same as road kill. Kentucky's deer population was low in the 1970s, so there were hardly any "mitigations" between automobiles and bambis. Now, those pests practically pile up at the sides of the roads, but there are more deer in this state than when Daniel Boone and Simon Kenton roamed the Dark and Bloody ground.
I got my first deer last year with a 1999 Subaru. The two don't mix well, by the way.
Turkeys have made a comeback here, and now I see a lot of them dead at the side of the highways. Ditto for coyotes. Now, we have mountain lions making a comeback. Old Kentuckians call them "wampus kitties." Black bear are coming back, too, and I've seen them farther west than the Kentucky Department for Fish and Wildlife will admit.
I've had people tell me that they've seen armadillos in Kentucky. That could be a feather in the cap of the warming alarmists, but I have the answer. Kentucky is actually a large producer of cattle, and farmers here often buy steers from Texas and fatten them on our luxurious grasslands. Armadillos get caught in the bottoms of the "opposum belly" cattle trailers and end up in the Bluegrass state.
I know some good ole boys who tangled with an armadillo on their backporch. I thought they had been drinking and were fighting a oppossum until they produced the dead armadillo.
They once closed a highway in west Kentucky because an eagle built a nest in a tree along side the road. I asked someone from Fish and Wildlife, "If the road was such a bother, whey did they build their freakin' nest there?"
Watermelons worship politics and socialism and care little for the environment.
NAw
January 17, 2009 - 18:28 ET by 10ksnookerIt was nothing as complicasted as that. Just a bunch of dumba$$ liberals preventing the chasing away of birds from the airport.
Gotta love this part
January 17, 2009 - 18:43 ET by GregEGotta love this part too...
• To further complicate matters, officials must be careful to identify
which type of bird is struck in each incident, to help biologists
conduct wildlife-management programs without violating laws that
protect endangered species.
Global Warming BS
January 17, 2009 - 18:47 ET by DelsaIn 1980 after taking off from JFK on our way to DC, and climbing through 15000 feet, we were hit by Canadian Geese.
One went through our left wing, one went through the fuselage just forward of the left wing, and the third went through the cockpit windsheild.
Naturally, we made an emergency landing back at JFK and no one was hurt (except the geese). I opened the cockpit door to find glass piled up about a foot and a half high up the back of the cockpit wall. Our pilots had glass cuts (none serious) and glass was even in their underware. ( so I was told)
After getting to the gate an unloading passengers, we walked by the front of the aircraft and the front of the cockpit windsheilt and nose was covered in goose blood. A strange sight to say the least.
1980? NO GLOBAL WARMING! Just geese climing to their crusing altitude in an effort to get the hell out of NY air space and down to Miami.
These global warming freeks are CRAZY and just don't know what the hell they are talking about.
Geese do the same thing every year. They mate for life and return to the same place every year to lay their eggs.
They also can weigh as much as 50 pounds. Graceful yet able to take down a Jet if the two should meet.
Letter campaign
January 17, 2009 - 18:57 ET by reasonsjesterIs there anyway to organize a "STFU" (Some Thing For U) letter writing campaign to these left wing liars? I'm sick of 'em.
Responsibility is the price of freedom. - Elbert Hubbard
Lets get the
January 17, 2009 - 19:04 ET by Delsapost office address and the email address and post it here.
We can each send it to those on our email lists.
Who knows, If they have a server, maybe we van crash it?
My dad once executed an
January 17, 2009 - 20:15 ET by R D HelmMy dad once executed an emergency landing in a (rented) Cessna 150 in a corn field during a snow storm in North Carolina back in the early '70s. The plane was totally destroyed.
I guess he could have told the FAA that the pending ice age caused it (as that was all the rage back then), but they probably would have yanked his pilot's license for being a kook.
-Dave
“Them that’s going get on the wagon. Them that ain’t get out of the way.” -While there is still time.
Dave
January 17, 2009 - 20:31 ET by choselife3xNowadays they'd replace it with a broadcasting license. ;)
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Zing! Good one.
January 17, 2009 - 20:39 ET by SpaceManSpiffZing! Good one.
chose,
January 17, 2009 - 20:52 ET by R D HelmLOL-And Algore probably would have offered him a job, too.
-Dave
“Them that’s going get on the wagon. Them that ain’t get out of the way.” -While there is still time.
RD
January 17, 2009 - 21:11 ET by DelsaIs it too late to file a suit against Canada and the Geese who, were flying in the snow storm and brought down your dad's rented plane?
EPA
January 18, 2009 - 00:25 ET by eveableThe EPA, otherwise known as the Environmental Pillaging Agency, would not allow the damn that would have saved New Orleans from Katrina to be built because it would have endangered fish mating habits, so why would we expect them to care about the lives of humans versus Canadian Geese?
Note: Time to get rid of agencies who care more about fish, animals and birds than humans.
eveable... I would give
January 18, 2009 - 00:51 ET by bigtimereveable...
I would give anything if we could get rid of the EPA.
Nothing but destruction to this country. Nothing.
In oh so many ways, I have posted about it ad nauseam since I have been here....knew it long ago.
Trial lawyers dream.
Enemy within at work.
Nixon may have thought putting this in was good intentions, but like all programs, they are nothing but a bundle of shite...that keep piling up at our expense.
Less LIkely to hear?!?!?!
January 18, 2009 - 05:05 ET by Mike From CanmoreI had to chuckle about birds less likely to hear 2 engines vs. 3 or 4. Headline should read: "Global Warming makes birds deaf!". Should also read "Global Warming Causes Some People to Believe the Crap in this Article"
Another possible cause for at least a portion of the increase may just be MORE STINKIN' PLANES!
Have you ever had to stop
January 19, 2009 - 19:27 ET by ThisnThatHave you ever had to stop on the road for those things? Honk your horn all you want, and they don't hurry up at all. What make's anyone think they would give way just because they heard jet engines?
These writers ought to collect a little bit of emperical evidence before they pump out their trite.
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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber
A very nice article ruined by those 2 words.
January 18, 2009 - 08:52 ET by JWFClimate change
If global warming was indeed true, one would think there would be LESS canadian geese/plane collisions.
Canadian geese would be MORE likely to stay in their natural habitat, the sparsely populated Canadian wilderness, longer. And they would not migrate as far in to the more densely populated United States, and stay for shorter periods.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Actually, the geese
January 18, 2009 - 11:09 ET by motherbeltActually, the geese involved here are permanent residents of the NY area.
They are not migratory birds.
mother -- do they have Green
January 18, 2009 - 12:16 ET by Jack Bauermother -- do they have Green Cards. Or are they "undocumented" geese?
Good evening Jack
January 18, 2009 - 13:14 ET by cocodrieThese were Acadian geese. They were exiled from Nova Scotia just like my people were in 1755. As political refugees they were to be given green caeds.
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Public Service Announcement
January 18, 2009 - 09:08 ET by choselife3xCanada geese are not Canadians. They do not have citizenship. Also, they are very greasy. Do not baste.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.