Global Warming Caused US Airways Plane to Land in Hudson River

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Believe it or not, global warming is being cited as one of the reasons a US Airways flight landed in New York's Hudson River on Friday.

Media were considering blaming the incident on the Bush administration until it became apparent that as a result of pilot Chesley B. "Sully" Sullenberger's heroic efforts, as well as those of his flight crew, there were no fatalities.

With nothing bad to pin on the current President, the good folks at Time magazine found another predictable culprit (h/t Tom Nelson):

Wildlife mitigation is the official term for avoiding accidents like these, and according to the government's latest report on the topic, it's becoming an increasing concern. The report, which was released in June by the Federal Aviation Administration and the U.S. Department of Agriculture, Department of Transportation and Fish and Wildlife Service, found that since 1990, the number of bird strikes has quadrupled, from 1,759 in 1990 to a record 7,666 in 2007. Officials cite a number of possible causes for the increase:

• Most commercial airlines are now replacing older three- and four-engine planes with more-efficient double-engine aircraft. Because these newer engines are quieter, birds are less likely to detect and avoid them. Worse still, fewer engines mean fewer backups should a plane and a flock of birds cross paths.

• While officials use radar and radio collars to track bird populations, habitat destruction and climate change have disrupted migratory patterns.
Al Gore should be very proud of himself.

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Odd, but I would have

Odd, but I would have thought someone would have linked the banking collapse with Global Warming before this.

The truth is, the Canada goose population in NY doesn't migrate, so migration patterns have nothing to do with this incident.

SpaceMS , The eco powers that be, transplanted the geese there?

Some body in western Colorado, Thought is would be a good idea to bring a flock of Canadian Geese, to live there... 

Now this flock never leaves and are multiplying... They are PESTS... their nick name is: SKY CARP...

Here a goose, there a goose, everywhere another goose. In the early
1960s, federal and state wildlife agencies worked to increase low
Canada goose populations in North America. They were so successful that
numbers increased from just under 250,000 birds in 1970 to more than 2
million in 1996. Now, many of the growing numbers of geese have settled
in urban and suburban areas and are considered pests.

THE ECO KOOKS ARE BRINGING DOWN AIRCRAFT!

FREEDOM

(D)

 

Global warming is also responsible for me spending

way too much on diesel fuel this year cleaning off my driveway from all this snow. Global warming is responsible for my water pipes expanding and bursting. By the way.. all of those 12 pound birds are absent from Michigan this winter that I have seen. Maybe they knew that global warming was going to be pretty bad this year and they moved further south (New York maybe). I think they would have been better off blaming Bush. It would have made more sense.

Solution to the problem: Extend the goose hunting season and allow shooting from the sky scrapers. 

"I need more cowbell!" SNL

allow shooting from the sky

allow shooting from the sky scrapers

I say, install machine guns on the wings.

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Here's a little light reading for more background...

Interesting how they reported on a number of other factors in the article, good link...I did find a lengthy report on Bird migration and climate change as added background information. Of course, it will be scuttled as alarmist propaganda by the deniers of Global Warming.

Odd Job

OJ

OJ,

If you want to continue posting here, you should immediately cease referring to folks that don't believe this nonsense as deniers. This is an offensive epithet that will not be tolerated, and you won't be warned again.  ns

Noel... Thanks for

Noel...

Thanks for sticking up for us "realists".

Ecofascists Losing War

 

 Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/  

My sincere apologies...

Don't want to rock the boat...I'll refrain from labels. If they don't believe in this nonsense, how should I refer to them in a respectful way? Nothing offensive, of course...May I cite Governmental Organizations such as the USGS

Again my apologies to those I have offended from my comments.

Odd Job

as an add-on...

I think it's all over-blown on both sides, anyway...Too much hype and not enough moderate discussions...

Odd Job

OJ

OJ,

Debating is fine. We do it all the time here, and unlike those on the left, encourage opposing views. However, denier has a negative connotation, especially as it is often connected to those that deny the holocaust.   ns

Understood.

How about "Mavericks"?

I did find an interesting discussion on this very issue and the genesis of the labeling by Robert Pelke, Jr. I'll respect your request.

Odd Job

OJ

If you got time to know the posters on this site, you will find most of them are very passionate about their beliefs and most will debate you, if you do not bring up the old tired liberal talking points like blood for oil.

Noel is being quite patient with you, the kiss of death is when he says "adieu" :-)

He had my vote

Thanks for the heads up...

shawn228,

You got "passionate" right! I'm not sure on the debating aspect, I'd say it's more in line with a swarming attack not much you can do with 10 to 1 odds. "Old tired liberal talking points"? What are some new ones? 

Odd Job

Oddjob

This is a conservative site, and you will have to accept that the refs are tilted to the right.

 

He had my vote

So right...

shawn228,

...where's the "Fairness Doctrine" when you need it? That's a joke, people, settle down...I think it's great to have the ability to squelch dissent and censor debating points...freedom of speech be damned in the private sectors of society. Plenty of opposing sites to battle for the hearts and minds of the public masses...it's all about choice.

Odd Job

OddJob

Check out some of my other posts and you will you see that I am not a big fan of the GOP at all.

I have been ragged on for my liberal points of view as well however..

This is my favorite site because the mods on here allow opposing points of view, I truly doubt that you can find another site on the left or right like this one.

He had my vote

Good morning Shawn

II suppose I am one of your "raggers", but I like your return ragging. Life would be very dull if we were all identicaly made.

I pray all is well with you and yours.

Jesus Loves You

Good morning cocodrie

I don't mind ragging at all,  I would like it even better when a certain person can back it up when they call me obtuse ;-)  or deliberately avoids a question.

He had my vote

Shawn

Obtuse was merely an opinion that probably deserves a retort of your choice. That was what I thought of your attitude at that time.

I don't believe that some questions merit a response.

People who never disagree are people that are not communicating with one another.

I meant it when I said I pray all is well with you.

Jesus Loves You

Thanks...I will.

shawn228,

I'm all over the map when it comes to my views...more independent, less ideologue...life's too short to be too serious, angry, bitter, etc. Having a little fun here and there...nothing but words on a screen in the long run...

Odd Job

nothing but words on a

nothing but words on a screen

;^ )

tells always tell

The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts

oddjob

it is not about squelching debate it's about you not wasting our time with the same old debunked lies.   

The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts

How hard is it?

There are many reasonable alternatives to the intellectually dishonest term "denier".  Along with the others already offered, these two come to mind immediately:

- Skeptic

- Critic

I find your inability to use such common words either disingenuous or indicative of poor understanding of the language.  Somehow I suspect the former.

All scientists ...

G.May,

...are skeptics.

Odd Job

What's overblown is the

What's overblown is the credence given to thumb sucking idiots like Al Gore.  It doesn't take an IQ much above room temperature to figure out that those scientists with any real qualifications to possess an opinion on this topic (e.g., Richard Linden of M.I.T.) typically consider the notion of manmade climate change to be utter nonsense.  Personally, I find the term "alarmist" to be a misnomer.  They should more properly be termed "morons."

We've been getting so much snow and cold temperatures this winter, and so many low temperature and snowfall records have been broken, that it seems evident that manmade global warming is propelling us into a new ice age.  We need to do something about manmade global warming before the world's oceans completely freeze over and the artic ice caps extend to the equator.  I am fearful that, if left unchecked, manmade global warming will eventually cause the very air we breath to liquify.  Send me money and I will fix this problem.

It's "Lindzen".

marvl,

He's a shill. At least, he's getting paid in a big way.

Odd Job

OddJob

So let me see if I've got this straight.
You are a former? Marine (automatic bad@ss qualification) who believes in manmade global warming?

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

As I have said...

C3x,

The hype is overblown on both sides of the debate. There needs to be civil discussions on forums like this site...it's a form of educating the masses. The scientific community will always have skeptics. Actually, all scientists are skeptics. The predominant consensus of the scientific community is Global warming is taking place. There is, of course, people who will confuse their local weather with long range climate change forecasts. It's the increase in global temperature and it's possible link to the burning of fossil fuels that has the majority of the scientific community worried. The burning of fossil fuels pumps or releases billions of pounds of CO2 (along with other greenhouse gases) into the atmosphere.  Will the extra billions of pounds of CO2 cause irreversible damage to the only planet humans are able to survive? Little changes now are better than huge fixes in the future. Or maybe not? 

Odd Job

There is NO 'Consensus' on "Man-Made" Global Warming

If you think one exists then please present the scientific survey of scientists proving this.

NO 'Consensus' on "Man-Made" Global Warming

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

What makes you think

you have arrived here and NOW it's time for debate?

Dude, our world did not begin one week and six days ago when you became a member of NB.

This topic has been debated to death on this board, without your oh, so sage presence.  I suggest you read the archives, to "educate your mass(es)".

P.S.  A hint.  If you don't want to be laughed out of the room....quit posting about "consensus" of whomever agree about AGW.

 

Please stop the propaganda about Richard Lindzen

Richard S. Lindzen - MIT's inconvenient scientist

"He's smart. He's an effective debater. No wonder the Steve Schneiders and Al Gores of the world don't want you to hear from him. It's easier to call someone a shill and accuse him of corruption than to debate him on the merits.

Of course Lindzen isn't a fake scientist, he's an inconvenient scientist. No wonder you're not supposed to listen to him."

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

Well, horse feathers

My finger missed the z key.  Rats, rats, rats.  Darn it, I just knew you were smarter than me.

Odd Job, shills do not become professors at M.I.T.  If you had more than a boiled turnip between your ears you would know this.  You realize I could put up a website of my own and contradict every point in the page whose link you posted?  Indeed, I could put together a webpage "proving" what a demented idiot you are.

Much of the nonsense on your shill site in in the form of a so-called negative proof, a logical fallacy.  The author makes use of other fallacious logical constructs.  Bottom line is, it's mostly garbage of the hot, steaming, brown variety.

Between Richard Lindzen and James Hansen, I think I'll put my money on Lindzen.  Hansen is a known crackpot.  As for you, may I suggest you find a few odd jobs to occupy your time?  That way, you'll not bother the adults on this site.

How hard is it?

"If they don't believe in this nonsense, how should I refer to them in a respectful way?"

You could call us "the opposition."  You could even refer to us as "others."  Both terms indicate someone who doesn't agree with you, or with a different opinions, and without insulting someone.

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

I prefer "Non-adherent to

I prefer "Non-adherent to the religion of Global Warming" myself....

I always liked the term "glomophobe".

It makes it seem more bigoted.

Because with a name like Obama... you know it has to be good.

supercon, I like Climate Commie, but Noel won't let me use it.

Too bad, too, because in OJ's case, it fits perfectly.  :-)

-Dave

“Them that’s going get on the wagon. Them that ain’t get out of the way.” -While there is still time.

Try climatesexual....

it's got a progressive ring to it.

 

Because with a name like Obama... you know it has to be good.

supercon,

LOL-That's even better than climate commie.

-Dave

“Them that’s going get on the wagon. Them that ain’t get out of the way.” -While there is still time.

I'm sorry, but your link

I'm sorry, but your link doesn't really show proof of anything.  It's all conjecture based off of modeling.  They start out with the assumption that the globe will warm at an alarming rate and then (falsely) evaluate what effects that might have on global avian populations.  Also, shouldn't birds be one of the most adaptable creatures when it comes to changing weather and climate?  They have far greater mobility than any land or sea creatures and many are migratory based on the seasons.  The canary in the coal mine analogy doesn't quite work aside from the commonality that you're talking about birds.  The canaries in the coal mine were trapped and were to be a warning that the air was no longer breathable.  Left to their own, they can adapt in order to save themselves, or fail to and die.  It's this little thing called natural selection (or does Darwin only matter if you want to say we came from monkeys?).  Blaming us on the extinction of animals through climactic attacks is silly. 

I've gone on longer than I meant to, but I'd like to make one final point.  Stop calling it "climate change."  Call it global warming again, because the term climate change is a cop-out that allows any change to be used as proof, when the climate always changes.  Politicians, environmentalists, and al gore aren't pretending to create a stable climate, but to prevent or minimalize what they call unprecendented warming caused by us.  Stay consistent and call it man-made global warming rather than man-made climate change, because in the end our actions to adapt to rapid heating will be much different than actions against unpredictable weather or possible global cooling.

Climate Change used to be

Climate Change used to be called Spring, Summer, Winter and Fall.

In Minnesota

Here in Minnesota we have to seasons:  Snow Removal and Mosquito Control, otherwise know as the Icemelt Season and the OFF! Season. (Visit one of our Off! Season Resorts!)

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

Cobra...I hear you! I'm next door in...

North Dakota, and we have the same 2 seasons...We're digging out from under almost 5 feet of snow over here!

We do have beautiful (but short) summers and falls though, don't we?

 "...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan~ January 20, 1981

A long, cold winter

A long, cold winter does tend to makes us more observant, and appreciative, of spring and summer, doesn't it?

Fall, on the other hand, is a reminder of the bitter cold days to come.

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

Right you are!

We treasure our springs and summers up here. And even though fall ushers in winter, I think the autumn's up here, for the most part, are really beautiful. Most years we have a period of Indian Summer, that is just wonderful...Warm, sunny days with cobalt blue skies, and cool, crisp nights when you can smell the wood smoke from folks cranking up their indoor fireplaces and outdoor firepits...I love it! 

"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan~ January 20, 1981

Slightly Jealous

Well, right now it is pretty dang cold in GA, but I would be willing to do a trade with you guys for a little of that white stuff. It was "snowing" here, earlier this evening, but it was 36 degrees, and it was only floating in the air. Like everyone, this is of course a very cold winder for us, but we have a variety of seasons here. Winter, Winter/Spring, Spring/Summer, {The last 2 usually only last a couple of weeks each}, then Summer, Summer, Summer/Fall, Fall/Winter. The easiest way to figure it out, is that from April-October will mostly be hot.

 

Bringing the government in to run Wall Street is like saying, "Dad burned the dinner, let's get the dog to cook." PJ O'Rourke

Gee Cobra

My ex (who was from Eden Prairie) always told me the two seasons in Minnesota were.....winter & road construction. 

 

 

Ancient History

That seasonal description is Ancient History as we now continue to repair the roads year round, even AS we remove the snow.

From the MnDOT site: 

US 53 northbound: from I-35 to St Louis County Road 54
bridge maintenance operations, width limit in effect, roadway reduced to one lane Width limit 10 ' 0 " — starting 8:00 AM, 01/20/09 until January 23 

Note the date!  Those poor union workers!

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

How do CANADIAN Geese in the

How do CANADIAN Geese in the US provide ammo for Global Warming enthusiasts? Seems to me if they were too hot they would move back to Canada. I think the greatest problem the alarmists are having other than the record cold and ten years of cooling is the constant stream of nonsensical declarations by their own proponents that fail to pan out. At some point you guys need to look at how your theory matches up with observed data and all your appeals to authority aren't going to help you deal with what you see. That's a key requirement of science that the alarmists have simply skipped.

→ Build The D&#ned NET!!

As I indicated in an earlier post this morning, the fault lies with Ducks Unlimited.  This seemingly benevolent organization has unwittingly attracted Illegal Canadian geese to fly the routes American Geese just won't fly.

Build a Net!

  • LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

LOL

Bunch of Canadian terrorist aves if you ask me.

Heh.

That's similar to what I said when I was watching the news last night.  When the newscaster mentioned that the birds were Canadian Geese, I exclaimed  "Those Damn Canadians!" My wife got a kick out of that one.

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

You need to realize that

You need to realize that the climate is changing, yesterday, today and tomorrow. The climate has hanged since the beginning of the Earth. Life on Earth adapts to the climate changes. Man does not cause the climate to change. Also man cannot change the climate. While polluting less and taking better care of the Earth is very noble and efforts should be made, it will have no noticeable effect on the climate.

Look at history and the climates life had to endure. Life that couldn't adapt became extinct and other species are born. It is a never ending cycle.

The whole idea behind the global warming theory is to take a snapshot of the climate and spend trillions of dollars not to mention countless man hours to make sure that the climate doesn't waiver from that snapshot. It is ridiculous to even think that is possible. There are too many factors.

CO2 as a cause of global warming is nothing but a scam to generate money.

This comes not from a guy on the street but someone who has studied and worked with climate and weather for close to 50 years.

 

"Forget change, I want improvement!"

Paper on birds flying into plane engines?

Do you have a paper showing that due to global warming birds will fly into plane engines? Because any discussion of migration is irrelevant to this basic point.

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

Of course, it will be

Of course, it will be scuttled as alarmist propaganda by the deniers of Global Warming.

It's interesting that you would claim "deniers" are the ones who scuttle information, when it is the AGW believers who censor the opinions of the scientists who don't share their beliefs.

Bjorn Lomborg is one example (emphasis mine):

AGW supporters are also bringing back the Inquisition, where the power
of the state is used to silence one’s scientific opponents. The case of
Bjorn Lomborg is illustrative. Lomborg is a tenured professor of
mathematics in Denmark. Shortly after his book, “The Skeptical
Environmentalist,” was published by Cambridge University Press, Lomborg
was charged and convicted (later reversed) of scientific fraud for
being critical of the “consensus” view on AGW and other environmental
questions. Had the conviction been upheld, Lomborg would have been
fired.

That the conviction was reversed is irrelevant.  The personal an professional costs of contesting such a charge are meant to act as a deterrent to straying from the "accepted" opinion.


Actually...I'm stepping away from labeling...

motherbelt,

Bjorn Lomborg stated in his book...

 

We will not lose our forests; we will not run out of
energy, raw
materials, or water. We have reduced atmospheric pollution in the
cities of the developed world and have good reason to believe that this
will also be achieved in the developing world. Our oceans have not been
defiled, our rivers have become cleaner and support more life. ... Nor
is waste a particularly big problem. ... The problem of the ozone layer
has been more or less solved. The current outlook on the development of
global warming does not indicate a catastrophe. ... And, finally, our
chemical worries and fear of pesticides are misplaced and
counterproductive.

Interesting, don't cha think? I have to allow you to make up your own mind on what he thinks...

Odd Job

If only the entire

If only the entire contiental US was covered in massive WIND FARMS!

That means giant rotating blades would slice all those geese before they could fly into the engines of commercial airliners.

Wind Farms = a BIRD HOLOCAUST folks.

"The nature of an ideology is not determined by majority vote—but by logic... The logic of environmentalism leads to a society without technology... even if various environmentalists would deny this." Ayn Rand, 1971

That's why

John Freakin Kerry and Teddy, I don't remember that bridge. Kennedy didn't want wind farms on Martha's Vineyard, they don't want to see the poor birds fly into the blades.  I'm watching the global warming deposit another 4-7inches of snow in my driveway today.  Seems we're close to having the second heaviest seasonal snow fall in history here in west Michigan.  But, I'm sure the eco-whackos can find an illogical explanation for it. 

But, I'm sure the

But, I'm sure the eco-whackos can find an illogical explanation for it.

Well, I always blame the ancient native American "Snow God" -- Mucha Icea. Then I sacrifice a wild envirowhacko! Works for me.

"The nature of an ideology is not determined by majority vote—but by logic... The logic of environmentalism leads to a society without technology... even if various environmentalists would deny this." Ayn Rand, 1971

  Just don't put those

 

Just don't put those wind farms anywhere near the hypocritical limousine liberals. This is classic! http://www.usatoday....

 

"I would rather be historically accurate than politically correct" ~ My husband's T-Shirt

troofer contest

We had a troofer contest at work. It was to think of the biggest tinfoil moonbat conspiracy to why this plane when down. This idea came up, even with little helmets and eye scopes to see the target.

If there was even one fatality we would have never thought of the jocularity but hey.

Long live George W. Bush

Troofer contest?

That's an easy one.  It was ALL GW Bush's fault.

The plane went down while GW was reading that book about a pet goat.

Liberal: a power worshipper without power. George Orwell

posted in wrong place =P


Blame the Endangered Species act.

If people MUST place blame, they should place that blame with the Endangered Species Act as the Canadian Geese which brought down the airliner is listed as a PROTECTED species even though that "endangered" species numbers around 5 MILLION birds.

Had the Canadian Geese NOT been listed as an endangered species, hunters would have been allowed to get rid of the damn things around our airports.  But, no, they are protected, so now their numbers have risen to the extent that they are the BIGGEST airborne threat to our nation's aviation industry.

This is NOT the first time that Canadian Geese have brought down an aircraft.  Most of those "bird strikes' have KILLED people.  It's a miracle that this incident didn't kill everyone on board.

What's more important, people's lives or a well populated species that, for no know reason, is listed as ENDANGERED? I guess the stupid birds are more important, right? 

So: Geese Fly, People DIE!

Take THAT, envronuts!

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

Do Canadian geese breath

Do Canadian geese breath oxygen, and emit CO2? They are the cause of Global Warming. Killing them off will do two things: (1) Save lives, and (2) Earn carbon credits for every hunter that kills them.

In fact, the USAIR pilot has probably just picked up a lifetime of carbon credits. Too bad he had to ditch an airplane in the process, but -- that's what happens in the wacky world of Al Gorites.

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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber

Are eco freaks the solution or are they the problem

1 extra molecule of CO2 for every 10,000 molecules didn't bring down the US Airways flight but you have to wonder if a $200,000 earmark by Sen. Schumer (D-NY) in 2004 did. Canadian geese were saved from being slaughtered in favor of a humane way of relocating geese in the NY area.

http://planetgore.na...

dbo

This is just nuts.

The Department of Agriculture can issue permits to kill these nuisance birds.

Ever notice birds at a landfill?  Well, there's a USDA program to keep the birds off the active face of the 'fill because they are a huge vector for disease.  So there's a USDA person who hangs out on the 'fill and shoots off firecrackers and shotguns to keep the nuisance birds away.  And yeah, sometimes they pop a bird, just to keep them honest.

The same thing would (and does) work at airports....take away the desirable habitat that surrounds an airport, and then set up a "predator".

 

Almost Impossible

'The Department of Agriculture can issue permits to kill these nuisance birds."

That is almost impossible as Canadian Geese are listed as a protected species.

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

We don't have Canada geese in Florida

But the Department of Agriculture can permit whatever they want to in this regard.

Dirty little secret.

 

 

Florida department, or US

Is that the Florida department, or US?

Not that it matters much, but when the government realizes that "culling" (we call that huntin' up north, ya know) of the birds around the airports are necessary (and yes, we get the nasty little pop-machines here all the time), I'll be found hanging around the runways at  the MPS/StPaul International Airport with my trusty 20 gauge and a belt full of birdshot.  

 

Hay, Hunny! Fire up the grill!  I brought home the Christmas Goose a little early this year!

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

The again, I don't understand most things

This is nuts, is't it!? But at least the government is consistent. :-)

Are they blind?

"While officials use radar and radio collars to track bird populations, habitat destruction and climate change have disrupted migratory patterns"

Are the people at Time Magazine blind?  It is NOT "global warming' that has "disrupted migratory patterns," it is the birds following their migratory instincts and staying where food and water is available, just as they do when there are no humans around.

The Geese that brought down this airliner were NOT migratory in the sense that they were merely "laying over" (no pun intended) on their way to another location.  These birds stay in an area the ENTIRE winter season as long as there is open water available for them and an abundant food source, both of which is found in this particular area and all thanks to the human beings who built the cities they are "visiting."

So much for the "experts" at Time Magazine.

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

Actually, Noel - it was Al Gore's fault - Quack

Actually, Noel - it was Al Gore's fault - Quack

NBers - while considering the failure of Gore/Clinton on this airline safety issue - don't fear that your mind might veer to the thought of how this disgraceful example of how this Clinton/Gore sell out might have led to 9/11.

July 1996 - PRESIDENT CLINTON: I have asked Vice President Gore to take charge of a commission to review aviation safety, security, and the pace of modernization of the air traffic control system.

“The Gore Commission's final report which will examine the entire government role in aviation is expected in mid 1997.” PBS. Online News Hour SEPTEMBER 3, 1996

‘On Sept. 20, 2001, the Boston Globe broke the story of how the so-called Gore Commission had failed in its mission to address airline safety. The Globe claimed this failure "represents the clearest recent public example of the success that airlines have long had in defeating calls for more oversight." The Globe traced that failure to a series of campaign donations from the airlines to the Democratic National Committee in 1996 ..

A bit more…

But within days, according to an insider on the commission, the airline industry jumped all over Gore. As a result, 10 days later, Gore sent a letter to airline lobbyist Carol Hallett promising that the commission's findings would not result in any loss of revenue.

In what can only be seen as a pure political payoff, the Democratic National Committee received $40,000 from TWA the next day. Within two weeks, Northwest, United and American Airlines ponied up another $55,000 for the 1996 campaign.

But the money trail didn't stop there. In the next two months leading up to the November elections, American Airlines donated $250,000 to the Democrats. United donated $100,000 to the DNC. Northwestern put $53,000 more into the kitty.

Following the election, in January, Gore floated a draft final report that eliminated all security measures from the commission's findings, according to the insider. Two commission members balked, as did CIA Director John Deutch. How Gore aborted air safety

More:

Mr. Gore said his commission would also recommend these measures:

*A ''vulnerability assessment'' at every commercial airport in the country.

*Increased numbers of bomb-sniffing dogs.

*Better screening and training of the workers who examine bags, and more frequent tests of their work.

*Screening, including fingerprint checks, of airline and airport employees coming in contact with planes.

Also included is training of airport security personnel in ''high risk'' airports abroad.

Key word being, "would."

In memory of the thousands who died, because special interest money was more important to Al Gore, than the security of the United States and it's citizens.

But, of course . . .

Catastrophic anthropogenic global warming and President Bush are reponsible for ALL that ills America and the world, don't you know?

BTW: "Mitigation" simply means to lessen by some unspecificed amount.

I'd think "Wildlife minimization," as it applies to the airspeaces around airports, would be the goal.

But, then, the enviro-wackos would rather see geese migrating than the safety of the humans on airplanes, wouldn't they?

BTW: In yet another reach, where Time connects dots that cannot be, a Time columnist recently panned clean-coal technology to reduce greenhouse gases. The implement? That failure of the sludge pond in Kingston, Tenn.

Thing is, clean-coal technology, as used in the CAGW/GHG context, has NEVER been associated with anything but the emissions out of the stacks of coal-fired power plants.

But, leave it to Time and those of their distorted, Chicken-Little mentality to find cause where none exists or can be attributed.

And they and the eco-religionists wonder why so many people scoff at their arguments?

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I spent part of my days in college as a waterfowl guide in the early 70's. Back then, our local goose populations were increasing throughout the Winter.  We called it "short stopping.'  It was due to the increasing areas that were being farmed and giving the birds a more constant food supply during the winter.  They tended to not have to migrate as far South as they had much available feed.  Geese are primarily a grazers.  With lots of winter wheat being grown and the wind blowing much of the snow from newfields, they had plenty to eat without having to go further South.  If these birds have open water and food, they will stay put. There were many articles concerning this, especially in the Central Flyway.  Perhaps it may seem different from the New York offices of TIME but they are lazy and more than willing enough to spread this pap without doing real research.

 

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Don't blame me....I voted for Palin...

they do not migrate as much

they do not migrate as much because cities and urban areas provide them with enough food.

 

 

Quite sure

Quite sure congress-critters will do something speedy to fix this terrible problem....

Whatever it takes to continue their absurdity...at everyones expense...except of course their lobbying groups/agenda.

Never-ending.

Can't be that the # of flights have quadrupled since 1990?

No! That can't be the reason. Must be global warming. But then it's also global warming that is the cause of the Hudson river not being all iced over in mid January too, right?

 

Hey, I got the wrong "CHANGE"!

Alan Keyes / Sarah Palin - 2012

Question

• While officials use radar and radio collars to track bird
populations, habitat destruction and climate change have disrupted
migratory patterns.

 

How does NYC classify in the "habitat destruction" for canada geese?

Are canadas really endangered? I see them by the hundreds near my house in the summer. In the far western end of my state (Kentucky) the Mississippi flyway brings them in by the thousands -- the tens of thousands. I have photos of 50,000 canadas covering the fields and sloughs in Ballard County, Kentucky.

My guess is that there are more "mitigations" between aircraft and birds because there are more birds these days. Watermelons never admit this stuff, but it's the same as road kill. Kentucky's deer population was low in the 1970s, so there were hardly any "mitigations" between automobiles and bambis. Now, those pests practically pile up at the sides of the roads, but there are more deer in this state than when Daniel Boone and Simon Kenton roamed the Dark and Bloody ground.

I got my first deer last year with a 1999 Subaru. The two don't mix well, by the way.

Turkeys have made a comeback here, and now I see a lot of them dead at the side of the highways. Ditto for coyotes. Now, we have mountain lions making a comeback. Old Kentuckians call them "wampus kitties." Black bear are coming back, too, and I've seen them farther west than the Kentucky Department for Fish and Wildlife will admit.

I've had people tell me that they've seen armadillos in Kentucky. That could be a feather in the cap of the warming alarmists, but I have the answer. Kentucky is actually a large producer of cattle, and farmers here often buy steers from Texas and fatten them on our luxurious grasslands. Armadillos get caught in the bottoms of the "opposum belly" cattle trailers and end up in the Bluegrass state.

I know some good ole boys who tangled with an armadillo on their backporch. I thought they had been drinking and were fighting a oppossum until they produced the dead armadillo.

They once closed a highway in west Kentucky because an eagle built a nest in a tree along side the road. I asked someone from Fish and Wildlife, "If the road was such a bother, whey did they build their freakin' nest there?"

Watermelons worship politics and socialism and care little for the environment.

NAw

It was nothing as complicasted as that. Just a bunch of dumba$$ liberals preventing the chasing away of birds from the airport.

Gotta love this part

Gotta love this part too...

• To further complicate matters, officials must be careful to identify
which type of bird is struck in each incident, to help biologists
conduct wildlife-management programs without violating laws that
protect endangered species.

Global Warming BS

In 1980 after taking off from JFK on our way to DC, and climbing through 15000 feet, we were hit by Canadian Geese.

One went through our left wing, one went through the fuselage just forward of the left wing, and the third went through the cockpit windsheild.

Naturally, we made an emergency landing back at JFK and no one was hurt (except the geese). I opened the cockpit door to find glass piled up about a foot and a half high up the back of the cockpit wall. Our pilots had glass cuts (none serious) and glass was even in their underware. ( so I was told)

After getting to the gate an unloading passengers, we walked by the front of the aircraft and the front of the cockpit windsheilt and nose was covered in goose blood. A strange sight to say the least.

1980? NO GLOBAL WARMING! Just geese climing to their crusing altitude in an effort to get the hell out of NY air space and down to Miami.

These global warming freeks are CRAZY and just don't know what the hell they are talking about.

Geese do the same thing every year. They mate for life and return to the same place every year to lay their eggs.

They also can weigh as much as 50 pounds. Graceful yet able to take down a Jet if the two should meet.

Letter campaign

Is there anyway to organize a "STFU" (Some Thing For U) letter writing campaign to these left wing liars? I'm sick of 'em.

Responsibility is the price of freedom. - Elbert Hubbard

Lets get the

post office address and the email address and post it here.

We can each send it to those on our email lists.

Who knows, If they have a server, maybe we van crash it? 

My dad once executed an

My dad once executed an emergency landing in a (rented) Cessna 150 in a corn field during a snow storm in North Carolina back in the early '70s. The plane was totally destroyed.

I guess he could have told the FAA that the pending ice age caused it (as that was all the rage back then), but they probably would have yanked his pilot's license for being a kook.

-Dave

“Them that’s going get on the wagon. Them that ain’t get out of the way.” -While there is still time.

Dave

Nowadays they'd replace it with a broadcasting license. ;)

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

Zing!  Good one.

Zing!  Good one.

chose,

LOL-And Algore probably would have offered him a job, too.

-Dave

“Them that’s going get on the wagon. Them that ain’t get out of the way.” -While there is still time.

RD

Is it too late to file a suit against Canada and the Geese who, were flying in the snow storm and brought down your dad's rented plane?

 

EPA

The EPA, otherwise known as the Environmental Pillaging Agency, would not allow the damn that would have saved New Orleans from Katrina to be built because it would have endangered fish mating habits, so why would we expect them to care about the lives of humans versus Canadian Geese?

 Note: Time to get rid of agencies who care more about fish, animals and birds than humans.

eveable... I would give

eveable...

I would give anything if we could get rid of the EPA.

Nothing but destruction to this country. Nothing.

In oh so many ways, I have posted about it ad nauseam since I have been here....knew it long ago.

Trial lawyers dream.

Enemy within at work.

Nixon may have thought putting this in was good intentions, but like all programs, they are nothing but a bundle of shite...that keep piling up at our expense.

Less LIkely to hear?!?!?!

I had to chuckle about birds less likely to hear 2 engines vs. 3 or 4. Headline should read: "Global Warming makes birds deaf!". Should also read "Global Warming Causes Some People to Believe the Crap in this Article"

Another possible cause for at least a portion of the increase may just be MORE STINKIN' PLANES!

Have you ever had to stop

Have you ever had to stop on the road for those things? Honk your horn all you want, and they don't hurry up at all. What make's anyone think they would give way just because they heard jet engines?

These writers ought to collect a little bit of emperical evidence before they pump out their trite.

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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber

A very nice article ruined by those 2 words.

  Climate change 

  If global warming was indeed true, one would think there would be LESS canadian geese/plane collisions.

   Canadian geese would be MORE likely to stay in their natural habitat, the sparsely populated Canadian wilderness, longer. And they would not migrate as far in to the more densely populated United States, and stay for shorter periods. 

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

Actually, the geese

Actually, the geese involved here are permanent residents of the NY area. 

They are not migratory birds.

mother -- do they have Green

mother -- do they have Green Cards. Or are they "undocumented" geese?

"The nature of an ideology is not determined by majority vote—but by logic... The logic of environmentalism leads to a society without technology... even if various environmentalists would deny this." Ayn Rand, 1971

Good evening Jack

These were Acadian geese. They were exiled from Nova Scotia just like my people were in 1755. As political refugees they were to be given green caeds.

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Public Service Announcement

Canada geese are not Canadians. They do not have citizenship. Also, they are very greasy. Do not baste.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.