Although most media members used the occasion of Mark Felt's death on December 18 to praise the former FBI official better known as "Deep Throat," George Friedman of the geopolitical intelligence organization Stratfor warned readers about journalists becoming "tools of various factions in political disputes" as well as "the relationship between security and intelligence organizations and governments in a Democratic society."
As Friedman indicated, Felt is a pop hero to media members across the fruited plain.
The Associated Press called him an "inspiration to a generation of investigative journalists" the day after his death. The Washington Post wrote days later, "Without a single byline he inspired thousands and thousands of campus misfits to get journalism degrees."
Unlike an adoring press that's always interested in the next gotcha story regardless of the consequences, Friedman, ever the concerned citizen looking out for America's national security interests, didn't write about Felt's role in the Watergate scandal with such glowing praise (emphasis added throughout, h/t many NBers):
In reality, the revelation of who Felt was raised serious questions about the accomplishments of [Washington Post writers Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein], the actual price we all pay for journalistic ethics, and how for many years we did not know a critical dimension of the Watergate crisis. At a time when newspapers are in financial crisis and journalism is facing serious existential issues, Watergate always has been held up as a symbol of what journalism means for a democracy, revealing truths that others were unwilling to uncover and grapple with. There is truth to this vision of journalism, but there is also a deep ambiguity, all built around Felt’s role. This is therefore not an excursion into ancient history, but a consideration of two things. The first is how journalists become tools of various factions in political disputes. The second is the relationship between security and intelligence organizations and governments in a Democratic society.
Friedman then shared some history about Felt, and how just before the Watergate scandal broke, he believed he was in line to replace the just-deceased J. Edgar Hoover as Director of the FBI. But then President Richard Nixon appointed L. Patrick Gray instead:
Felt saw Gray’s selection as an unwelcome politicization of the FBI (by placing it under direct presidential control), an assault on the traditions created by Hoover and an insult to his memory, and a massive personal disappointment. Felt was thus a disgruntled employee at the highest level. He was also a senior official in an organization that traditionally had protected its interests in predictable ways. (By then formally the No. 2 figure in FBI, Felt effectively controlled the agency given Gray’s inexperience and outsider status.)...Felt, who himself was later convicted and pardoned for illegal wiretaps and break-ins, was not nearly as appalled by Nixon’s crimes as by Nixon’s decision to pass him over as head of the FBI. He merely set Hoover’s playbook in motion.
Woodward and Bernstein were on the city desk of The Washington Post at the time. They were young (29 and 28), inexperienced and hungry. We do not know why Felt decided to use them as his conduit for leaks, but we would guess he sought these three characteristics — as well as a newspaper with sufficient gravitas to gain notice. Felt obviously knew the two had been assigned to a local burglary, and he decided to leak what he knew to lead them where he wanted them to go. He used his knowledge to guide, and therefore control, their investigation.
Yet, something lost in all the coverage of the Watergate scandal was why Deep Throat knew so much about Nixon:
For Felt to have been able to guide and control the young reporters’ investigation, he needed to know a great deal of what the White House had done, going back quite far. He could not possibly have known all this simply through his personal investigations. His knowledge covered too many people, too many operations, and too much money in too many places simply to have been the product of one of his side hobbies. The only way Felt could have the knowledge he did was if the FBI had been systematically spying on the White House, on the Committee to Re-elect the President and on all of the other elements involved in Watergate. Felt was not simply feeding information to Woodward and Bernstein; he was using the intelligence product emanating from a section of the FBI to shape The Washington Post’s coverage.
Scary stuff, don't you think? But there's more:
Instead of passing what he knew to professional prosecutors at the Justice Department — or if he did not trust them, to the House Judiciary Committee charged with investigating presidential wrongdoing — Felt chose to leak the information to The Washington Post. He bet, or knew, that Post editor Ben Bradlee would allow Woodward and Bernstein to play the role Felt had selected for them. Woodward, Bernstein and Bradlee all knew who Deep Throat was. They worked with the operational head of the FBI to destroy Nixon, and then protected Felt and the FBI until Felt came forward.
Friedman made it clear that he believed Nixon to be "guilty as sin of more things than were ever proven." Yet, there was a bigger story in this scandal that the Post at the time, and virtually every media outlet in the world since, conveniently ignored:
The FBI was carrying out espionage against the president of the United States, not for any later prosecution of Nixon for a specific crime (the spying had to have been going on well before the break-in), but to increase the FBI’s control over Nixon. Woodward, Bernstein and above all, Bradlee, knew what was going on. Woodward and Bernstein might have been young and naive, but Bradlee was an old Washington hand who knew exactly who Felt was, knew the FBI playbook and understood that Felt could not have played the role he did without a focused FBI operation against the president. Bradlee knew perfectly well that Woodward and Bernstein were not breaking the story, but were having it spoon-fed to them by a master. He knew that the president of the United States, guilty or not, was being destroyed by Hoover’s jilted heir. [...]
This was not a lone whistle-blower being protected by a courageous news organization; rather, it was a news organization being used by the FBI against the president, and a news organization that knew perfectly well that it was being used against the president. Protecting Deep Throat concealed not only an individual, but also the story of the FBI’s role in destroying Nixon.
Disturbing, don't you think, especially given all the leaks that have come from various intelligence sources in the past five years in order to discredit the Bush administration:
Absent any widespread reconsideration of the Post’s actions during Watergate in the three years since Felt’s identity became known, the press in Washington continues to serve as a conduit for leaks of secret information. They publish this information while protecting the leakers, and therefore the leakers’ motives. Rather than being a venue for the neutral reporting of events, journalism thus becomes the arena in which political power plays are executed. What appears to be enterprising journalism is in fact a symbiotic relationship between journalists and government factions. It may be the best path journalists have for acquiring secrets, but it creates a very partial record of events — especially since the origin of a leak frequently is much more important to the public than the leak itself.
Friedman makes an amazing point: a top official of the FBI was involved in spying on the White House, and leaking his findings to a press outlet for his own personal reasons. Isn't that a story in itself, one potentially much larger than a president covering up a burglary?
As Friedman pointed out in his conclusion: "The rest of the story involves the source’s motivation, and frequently that motivation is more important than the information provided. Understanding a source’s motivation is essential both to good intelligence and to journalism."
Indeed. But in the case of Deep Throat and Watergate, the outlet which broke this story -- and virtually every media member since! -- didn't care about the leaker's motivation. They only cared about the story.
And therein lies a truly disturbing problem not just for journalism but also for national security. That media members today don't understand this represents a grave threat to our society.
How many of the folks at the Post or the New York Times that have written stories about terrorist detention centers or terrorist surveillance in recent years have done so with information coming directly from enemies of the president?
Maybe more important, as mainstream media outlets shrink, and competition for gotcha stories increases, how much easier is it getting for folks to use press members as political tools?
Makes it hard to sleep at night, doesn't it?
Readers are encouraged to review Friedman's entire piece.
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.





















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Consider the Source
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 11:50 ET by mattm"The rest of the story involves the source’s motivation..."
IMO this is the centerpoint of the story. Felt and the Libtard press had political motives in bringing Nixon down...if Ted Kennedy had been the president...well we know...
Woodward & Bernstein:
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 12:11 ET by HockeyKidWoodward & Bernstein: poster boys for Useful Idiots.
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
Agenda Driven Press
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 12:37 ET by nofateGlad you guys got on this. But, as we all know, this is nothing new for the two largest agenda setting daily print publications in the country. The NYT did the Pentagon Papers, and has been involved in several leaks to world terror organizations via it's news pages. The WaPo also has it's own special terrorist connection:
WashPost Publisher Admitted Media Leak To Blame for Marine Barracks Bombing
I keep putting this up because I don't wan't people to ever forget what we are dealing with when it comes to the long march. The press is responsible for the Beirut Marine barracks bombing in my view. And note that they reserve the right to do it again, via "unintended consequences", if they deem it necessary. "We didn't bomb that barracks. But the people's need to know took precedence." What people? Subversive bastards, all of them. Putting the country's best interests at risk on a daily basis.
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
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The True Nature of Journalism
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 12:53 ET by UtherpendThis shows that the MSM is more concerned with making money, making themselves out to be superstars and not concerned with the true nature of the issues at hand. All that matters is what helps them and their ilk more.
After all Nixon finally broke the back of the corrupt FBI that Hoover set up to black mail and intimidate public and private citizans alike. But never mind that, since he is a Republican the Dems would rather have another Putin in charge of the FBI.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you."
Republicans Bad!
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 13:00 ET by nofateMr. Pendragon: "since he is a Republican the Dems would rather have another Putin in charge of the FBI."
You sure got that right. Damn the country, nuke the Republican. Kennedy, Johnson, Clinton, FDR, you name it, they've all done the same or worse but could you imagine the press going after a lib this way? History proves the answer is no.
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
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Thanks for posting this, NS
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 12:55 ET by BlondeThere are a couple of posters here whose links I always click....two of them (BD and nofate) linked the Stratfor article in the last several days. What I'm saying is I've had a few days to think about this....and I've gone round and round and came back to my original thought:
The implication(s) of the media's non-attention to the motivation of Deep Throat is absolutely stunning. And there's no doubt in my mind that it's motivated by self-interest....as always, "follow the money" (power).
First, if you asked a hundred people who Deep Throat was, they'd know he was the Watergate leaker, but I'd imagine only ten would know his name. Of those ten, I'd imagine maybe two would know that he was in the FBI, and maybe one would know that he was in line for the throne, so to speak.
Secondly, J. Edgar Hoover ran the FBI and its predecessor for almost fifty years, he'd amassed huge power, and Tolson, his second in command, was variously reported to be his companion/lover. Felt was a product of this very FBI, so certainly he was complicit in all of Hoover's dirty tricks. There's no doubt in my mind that Hoover very probably blackmailed (or tried to) presidents before Nixon.
Back to Watergate. The career bureaucrat takes down a sitting President, in a purposeful way, aided and abetted by two dumb kids and a not-so-dumb Ben Bradlee. The hippies and liberals are delighted. Enter Robert Redford....and a cinematic retelling of the tale, lionizing the brave/bold reporters & editor now becomes "fact" for the majority of the American populace.
The media sees how powerful they might be, if only they control the flow of information. And the journalistic paradigm is forever altered...including a generation of journalists who believe they are crusaders, a la Woodward & Bernstien. And probably 95% of the population never even twigs to the fact that journalism is no longer about facts, rather it's now about shaping the story. They drink the media kool-aid, many never knowing (or caring?) about the bias and the reason(s) for it.
Deep Throat was absolutely right about one thing...."follow the money". Because money and power is what it is always about. No wonder the media ignored this story, and have their knickers in such a twist over the internet and bloggers. Because they see the reins of money and power slipping through their fingers.
So Spot On
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 13:08 ET by nofateExcellent points. "The implication(s) of the media's non-attention to the motivation of Deep Throat is absolutely stunning."
"The career bureaucrat takes down a sitting President, in a purposeful way, aided and abetted by two dumb kids and a not-so-dumb Ben Bradlee." (my emphasis- see link re: Katherine Graham above)
"The media sees how powerful they might be, if only they control the flow of information."
The long march continues with the press leading the zombie hordes in tow.
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
michaelyon-online.com
Thanks.
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 13:26 ET by BlondeI like your long march with zombie hordes in tow. So true.
It never ceases to amaze me that when I get into a discussion with people about current (or not so current) events, almost every single misconception/liberal lie always gets attributed by said uninformed person to "hearing it on the news".
It doesn't matter what the topic is, global warming (but the polar bears are dying and the ice caps are melting!) or Bush lied about WMD or whatever. I don't know whether people are too stupid or too lazy to care, or to find things out for themselves.
I wish I could figure out a way to light the thought bulb for people, to make them see the world around them with their own eyes instead of letting the media filter it for them. Maddening. Totally maddening.
Zombie Hordes
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 13:39 ET by nofate"I wish I could figure out a way to light the thought bulb for people, to make them see the world around them with their own eyes instead of letting the media filter it for them. Maddening. Totally maddening."
Amen, Blonde. I'm sure many of us can attest, it is true for our own families. It's like living inside the set of "Shaun of the Dead". We keep waiting for the relief columns to show up and save us from the insane people surrounding us.
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
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Zombie Hordes Minus Two
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 13:51 ET by BlondeIn the past year, I have finally(!!!) been able to get my own mother to see the light about the media....no more Charlie Gibson in my house...and another friend to give up her belief in Global Warming.
So all is not lost...but it's a tough and slow fight.
I just really wish this spot-on story about Deep Throat would make it into general public's consciousness...but alas, I know I'm asking too much.
Blonde: I agree about the
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 16:59 ET by BDBlonde:
I agree about the desire to get the issue into the consciousness of the American people.
I for example, dream of the day when a journo who is not bound by the dictims of "Professional Courtesy" decides it would make a fascinating story to find out how the FBI leadership obviously conducted unauthorized surveillance of the nations executive and how the news of that surveillance was covered up by Woodstein, Bernwood, and their boss at the Washington Post.
I would LOVE to have someone corner Bob Woodward during a book tour somewhere and ask the obvous questions about why they felt it more valuable to uncover a petty political campaign prank in comparison to cover up the story with far reaching effects, notably the fact that the nations leading law enforcement agencies services were being used to destroy the chief executive.
Hell, we can't get the press to cover the pranks of the Obama campaign adequately (When did Barack know, and when did he know about his friends at Acorn? Was there a coverup?) yet they ceaselessly covered Watergate even theough their own analysis said Nixon had no part in the initial break in.
Hell, we get hours of stories on US surveillance of terrorists in enough detail to make the techniques used immediately obselescent, but we cannot get a single question of the WaPo staff about how Mark Felt collected his intelligence on the Nixon Administration?
I guess it is news only when it is politically expedient for political allies of the left.
Even Better Zombies
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 20:01 ET by nofateI've got a better scenario: Charlton Heston in "Omega Man".
I wish I could report the same success. My brother in law's mother told me "I just lost all respect for you". Why? I had the audacity to open my mouth and announce after a long diatribe on her part, that I thought that George Bush was an honorable and honest man who truly cared about the troops who had to go in harm's way. One down.
My mom is hard of hearing and doesn't like hearing aids. Whenever she comes to spend a few days, Mrs. nofate and I are treated to a steady diet of CBS, ABC, NBC, and last but certainly not least to her, MSNBC. Her heroes are the former Peter Jennings and the currently braindead Chris Matthews, Keith Overbite, Katie Couric, Matt Lauer, etc. And it is LOUD! My penance for having led a misspent youth during the early 70's.
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
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Blonde. wow..
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 13:30 ET by Gary HallStill waiting for those front page stories about a Chinese shallow throat leaker - you know the little fellow who leaked all that information to the press about why James Riady was in the Clinton White House all the time.
.. Caught a replay of Huckabee interviewing Oliver Stone, last night. Stone was declaring that he changed from Republican to Democrat because of the Vietnam war. He had to be nudged to remember LBJ's role in Vietnam, but still insisted that it was because of Nixon that more US servicemen died in Nam.
A recent interview of Gary Trudeau (Doonsbury) revealed the same immediate scorn and blame of Nixon for Vietnam, and for the deaths - with no instant recall of LBJ's role.
My wife asked a class of Jr. High kids (after one raised the issue of Nixon); "how many of you blame President Nixon for Vietnam." Reaction? A broad showing of hands, with a couple of "Don't knows." She asked, "What about President Johnson - LBJ?" They looked confused - perplexed as to what that was about. Note: my wife is a RN (NICU), was a special event.
Let the record show that Nixon did promise to end the war. The end was ugly, indeed, but he did end it. Nixon started bringing home troops immediately upon taking office, and continued that process until the end. A rough estimate here is that 36,000 troops died while LBJ was president and continued to escalate the war, and 22,000 more died under Nixon, while he was winding it down.
I continue to find that most educators I run into feel have the same misinformed view as does Stone. Our media has little inclination to set any record straight.
gary
Gary
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 13:47 ET by BlondeIt's not polite to read my mind like that. First you have to (yet again!) bring up more facts....then you go mind reading.
I actually considered mentioning the anti-war liberal bias myth of Vietnam being Nixon's war....and also mentioning Oliver Stone mythology in recasting the history of the last 30 years, LOL.
The problem is that people believe what they hear and see, and don't bother to read up on the actual history, which is crazy to me, as it's easier to find out about everything in this age of the internet.
Seriously, how hard is it to look up a fact? Those of us here do it all the time. It takes about ten seconds.
Maybe it's just me. I read a good story...for instance, Winds of War, which I know is set in an historic time. But...it's fiction. However certain incidents set me off....so I read the four volume biography by Pogue of George Catlett Mashall. Or I see Out of Africa, for the fiftieth time, and decide to look up Isak Dinesen....and find out it is a true story, more or less, Denys Finch-Hatton was the second son of an Earl, did have an affair with Karen Blixen, but only after she divorced her lover's brother-husband. And the house in the movie was real.
But somehow even recent history becomes made up...Vietnam was Nixon's war, and Colonel Kurtz was a war criminal, or a hero, take your pick.
well, Blonde..
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 14:13 ET by Gary HallWell, Blonde.. so I did. But on the other hand, you did it again too. Like a comfy ole favorite bicycle - I can always count on you. hee hee.
I must confess.. I was deeply tweaked recently by an old friend, a recently retired HS principal, who came on strong with the Nixon/Vietnam War thing - a few months back during a worthless chat on politics (Palin - Bush's war mongering - you know). It took a couple of follow up calls, e-mails to convince her that LBJ was even involved in Nam; the actual history, the illegal actions of LBJ, the escalation vs the withdrawl phase will not be resolved. The friendship is damaged. My brilliant effort to find comfort by suggesting, "hey look - we start to believe what we hear over and over again (from the media) - so you got caught up in this trap. You're an educator; use this enlightenment to help others, " fell on disbelieving ears. NB is more important than ever. (;~> gary
Sad.
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 14:20 ET by BlondeTruly. I'm sorry about your friend.
And once again, LBJ gets off scott free....I can picture that vulgar man sitting over his Tuesday lunch picking targets for the B-52's.
Riiiiight...that didn't happen, it wasn't in an Oliver Stone movie.
Blonde: The press has
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 17:05 ET by BDBlonde:
The press has always depictged the war about three years late.
For instance, in 1967 the press depicted the war as a primarily a fight between the US forces and the Viet Cong when by then the fighting was largely between US forces and NVA regulars who had infiltrated from the north starting in 1964/65.
THe depict LBJ as simply having AF basecamps operating instead of the largest build up in Post WWII era. They then credit Nixon with the huge buildup when in fact he began the Vietnamization withdrawels the left demanded.
Stone et al are all incompetants with no historical mindframe. I doubt Stone even knew where he was in Vietnam with his poor understanding.
Tet Was a U.S. Victory
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 19:39 ET by nofateBut you'd never know it. Thank god we had liberal mouthpieces like Walter Cronkite to come on TV and announce to the president that the war was lost. It was convenient for Uncle HoHo and Vo Nyen Giap (sp?- whatever) too. They thought they had lost for sure until uncle Walter jumped in and let them know the public would be giving up and our objective media would be leading the charge. Khe Sahn didn't go too well for them either, but they had Uncle Walter and his media allies to help them recover. Subversive bastards.
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
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nofate... Amen to your
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 19:57 ET by bigtimernofate...
Amen to your post...I remember this also.
Plus we recently have had the oh so Fearless Leader Reid try the same tactic using the msm, as if they weren't bad enough.
I'll throw in Murtha, Kerry, McDermott and others too.
Treasonous traitors all in my book.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Headline: Iraq??? What's That?
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 20:08 ET by nofateSee the blog late this eve. about how they have pulled out all of their full time "reporters" because there's no blood and guts to report. It's become too positive an environment for them to work in. Subversive bastards.
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
michaelyon-online.com
Yeah, I read it...posted
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 20:39 ET by bigtimerYeah, I read it...posted there too nofate...like I said, or I think I said among other things...despicable.
It really is beyond contempt...they are not happy unless they can work with the enemy with their news reports....within and without.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Good evening nofate
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 19:58 ET by cocodrieDon't forget the MSM announcements of troop movements and deployments well ahead of time so that the NVA could prepare.
Good old Hanoi Jane did her share and was helped later by Hanoi John. Wouldn't want those two not to get the credit they deserve.
Yup
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 20:06 ET by nofateThey all did their part. And now they consider themselves heroes for it. Puke...Retch! Then they went and pulled all funding in '76(?), causing the Cambodian genocide, and somehow got it all blamed on the Republicans! Subversive bastards.
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
michaelyon-online.com
It was during LBJ's
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 16:14 ET by Scuba DudeIt was during LBJ's administration that the amount of American casualties INCREASED, with 1968, the year before Nixon took office, that we recorded the highest number of KIA and WIA.
http://www.rjsmith.com/kia_tbl.html
The immediate issue - shield law
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 12:57 ET by KC MulvilleThis is why a journalist shield law would be a disaster. Until now, the Constitution's protection of a journalist is identical with a private citizen's. The first amendment protection of the press is the same protection as any other citizen's. With a shield law, however, the press would be treated differently under the law. That would be a constitutional crime, from which we would never recover.
It would also hand over the government to the federal bureaucracy. It would give effective power to the political sharks and partisan hacks that infest Washington. The Roman Curia and Communist party state would pale in comparison to the mindless, self-serving bureaucracy - because those bureaucracies had access to pennies compared to the billions the American bureaucracy would control.
The shield law cannot pass.
McLame Slobbering to Pass This
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 13:15 ET by nofateI bet McLame is slobbering to pass this just like he did the incumbent retention act that banned political speech 60 days prior to an election. That already handed the press enormous influence. In the meantime, he'll just keep rocking the bus back and forth over Governor Palin. Thanks for your service, Senator, but you're now an ass. Can I say that???
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
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Drudge - should be all the inspiration investigative journalists
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 13:02 ET by Gary Hall"inspiration to a generation of investigative journalists" Drudge - should be all the inspiration investigative journalists require. It's so simple - it's right in front of their eyes each and every day. What is most telling is the absolute lack of curiosity most of our mainstream journalists (and media outlets, in general) have, in investigating the intriguing news bits that cross their desk. If either it's not good for Democrats, or bad for Republicans, then there is no interest. (;~/ gary
Lewinski Spiked
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 13:12 ET by nofateDrudge was curious about a Michael Isikoff(sp?)-Newsweek story that got spiked. It was all about the Monica Lewinski thing. Just a little thing. But it made Drudge.
Aside: one of the reasons, among many, that I have a problem with Bill O'Reilly's motivations, is that I heard him call Drudge a "slimeball" on the air one night. Really, Bill?
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
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nofate
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 13:30 ET by BlondeThis will make you laugh....while looking up how long J. Edgar had actually been the director of the FBI, (and granted, I was being lazy and hit Wiki)....I found that Hoover used to call those he loathed....wait for it....
PINHEADS!
Hoover was noted as sometimes being capricious in his leadership; he frequently fired FBI agents by singling out those who he thought "looked stupid like truck drivers" or he considered to be "pinheads."
Blonde, Really? Pinheads?
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 15:16 ET by thebutlerdiditBlonde, Really? Pinheads? That's rich! I love it! I was just talking with my 19 yr old son about Frost/Nixon last nite. I was explaining to him how the interview was not even that big of a deal at the time, but Ron Howard has blown it up as if it is the enlightenment. It was intended as a "gotcha" interview, where Frost got Nixon to tell all, but if you go back and see the old interviews, it is obvious that Nixon tells nothing, and appears to be the one more in control. I am only 42, so I didn't see it originally, of course, but I have asked about a dozen people that were adults at the time, was this a big deal? They have all told me, either they didn't see it, didn't remember it, or it was just a tiny blip. So why the movie? Because according to "Opie" it reminds him of Bush! That it is just like our situation with Bush lying and covering things up now, and that we need someone to do what Frost did. Funny, Frost's career kinda went down after the interview, but Nixon was advisor to 4 Presidents after. I never thought I would despise Opie.
tbdi
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 15:41 ET by BlondeWell, if you trust Wiki, yes. It was footnoted to an actual book, so I'd imagine there's some basis in fact. It's amusing, yes?
I was a kid and don't remember the Frost interview either. The movie trailer looked boring to me, and I don't go in for the character assasination movies, regardless of the director.
Sad about Ron Howard, he's generally a great story teller, I loved Apollo 13 (how can you have viewers on the edge of their seats even though they know the ending?), and I really liked Backdraft, too.
Nixon is a sad case, after being publicly humiliated out of his office, he never did regain the stature he probably deserved. Too bad Jimmuh didn't suffer the same fate...which would keep his meddlesome opinions back on the peanut farm. But if a Hoover acolyte was able to bring down a President, who else knows what Hoover actually accomplished without being found out. Scary, huh?
Hoover Secret Service?
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 23:48 ET by nofateBlonde, I don't know if you are familiar with the novels of W.E.B. Griffin, but he is one of my favorites. Excerpt from his site:
Maybe some of the current or former members of the military can comment on this, but to me, having never been in the military, he seems to be the real deal. I know his books are great reads. My favorite is the remarkable series, "The Corps", all about the Marines just prior to and during WWII. It is full of colorful characters such as Jack NMI Stecher, the "NMI" standing for "no middle initial". I don't remember when I first got started on Griffin, but "The Corps" was what got me started. He pre-dated Clancy by many years, but without all the high tech stuff.
What got me started here is that in "The Corps", there are scenes that take place in the White House in which Hoover is portrayed as being what many have accused him of, i.e. manipulative and always trying to get dirt on people in order to hold power over them. But Griffin also portrays him as having met his match in FDR and Wild Bill Donovan. Don't know if it is true, as this is, after all fiction, but it is entertaining to read.
And yes it is scary to know that there are probably people still there in Washington that may have power similar to that wielded by Hoover, Tolson, Felt and Bradley. And it also makes me wonder: what did Katherine Graham know, when did she know it, and why did she not let the public's "right to know" guide the flow of news? Because Nixon was Republican? That's all it takes to subvert the democratic process, right? Bunch of subversive bastards.
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
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Nicely done, Noel.
Mon, 12/29/2008 - 22:19 ET by R D Helm"Without a single byline he inspired thousands and thousands of campus misfits to get journalism degrees."
And it has been to our everlasting detriment as a nation that most of these academic "misfits" did not choose to remain firmly ensconced in their respective courses of study, be it sociology, international relations, women's studies, basket-weaving, nose-picking, or whatever academic path they abandoned in order to go into journalism and "change the world."
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I had long thought I was pretty up on Watergate and its myriad implications for our country. I have to confess, to a degree I am embarrassed to admit, that I pretty much had bought in to the whole idea that the Watergate reporting by the Washington Post was purely motivated by a desire to protect our country from rogue elements of our own government and thus "save democracy." Yes, I was naive.
Despite the subsequent actions of Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein in the years since, I pretty much maintained the belief that they had acted with the purest of motives in writing the stories that eventually resulted in the resignation of a president. After all, I had seen the movie many years ago, and had allowed myself to be somewhat caught up in the hype.
That is a hard thing for me to admit, as I usually view events taking place in this world, both past and present, with a decidedly skeptical eye. However, as there was no information around at the time to counter the conventional wisdom, other than the rantings of a few members of the perpetual conspiracy community, I gave it no further thought to speak of.
I had just passed the four-month mark of my tenth year on this planet the day Nixon resigned. At that time, most of my idle thoughts consisted of how I was going to position my hundreds of little green army men for the next all-out WW II battle against my brother's equally impressive force of plastic soldiers, which was to be carried out in the living room the next time it rained. If not that, I would be conjuring up ways I was going to go about making my sister's life a living hell. Girls still had cooties then, even my sister's friends.
I don't know, perhaps as the years passed, I lost interest in the whole sorry Watergate episode for a time. I have only the vaguest memory of watching Nixon saying goodbye and then walking to that waiting Marine helicopter for that last flight to wherever. I also remember watching Gerald Ford being sworn in as Nixon's successor, but that is about it.
As I later regained some interest in Watergate and began reading about it, it was all pretty much along the standard, conventional-widom story line. Watergate was a burglary, Nixon tried to cover it up, Nixon was a crook, Nixon was impeached, Nixon resigned from office in disgrace, and that was that.
I do remember, over the course of my readings, developing a certain amount of respect for G. Gordon Liddy, as he steadfastly refused to talk, even to save his own hide, as well as developing a parallel loathing for John Dean, who fibbed on his boss to save his own butt from a long stint in the slammer. For some reason I didn't really appreciate at the time, what Dean did always struck me as cowardly. It does to this day.
I read still more about it as time moved along, but there were never really any earth-shattering revelations. It was always slightly different versions of what was essentially the same sad story.
Even when Mark Felt came out a few years ago and admitted he was "Deep Throat," I knew then he was FBI, but I did not know he had been passed over by Nixon for the top job in that agency. Perhaps growing up watching the old FBI TV series had left me somewhat jaded, that despite later having read about the excesses of J. Edgar Hoover.
Even after Filegate, and the sincere feeling I developed that that pile of files on Clinton's "enemies" could not have gotten out the door without the knowledge of someone way up high in the FBI, and despite having read everything Tom Clancy had yet put to paper, I never really made the Felt-FBI-Wapo connection.
Until yesterday.
All I can say is, Wow!
-Dave
It's a Big Club
Tue, 12/30/2008 - 00:52 ET by nofate"Even after Filegate, and the sincere feeling I developed that that pile of files on Clinton's "enemies" could not have gotten out the door without the knowledge of someone way up high in the FBI, and despite having read everything Tom Clancy had yet put to paper, I never really made the Felt-FBI-Wapo connection."
RD: don't feel bad. I was about 23 at the time and I can remember watching that blowhard, Sam Ervin, and thinking, "Yeah! Nail that lying bastard Nixon to the wall!" By the time I was 30, I voted for Reagan and have been learning since. But I had no idea that a rogue FBI man with a grudge against Nixon was using the willing services of the Washington Post. Willing in the sense that it allowed the WaPo (Graham(?) and Bradley) to portray Woodstein and Bernward (to borrow BD's pronunciation) as heroes digging up the criminal activities of a supposed scoundrel president who just happened to be Republican. I think a lot of us didn't know, that's why Noel gave a nod to "many N/Bers". There were probably several of us "alerting" the staff to Friedman's essay.
As to your thought that "that pile of files on Clinton's "enemies" could not have gotten out the door without the knowledge of someone way up high in the FBI", I agree. But the difference is that Clinton was a democrat and at the time the press was in love with him. There was an FBI agent named Gary Aldrich who wrote about some of the stuff that was going on in the Clinton White House. Don't know his true motivations, but you know he and others had to be reporting on what was going on there. Someone knew.
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
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