Have you noticed that whenever a liberal media member discusses budget deficits he or she always blames tax cuts and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Yet, spending on items referred to under the broad category of Human Resources -- which, by the way, represents 64 percent of our current expenditures!!! -- is always completely ignored.
Such was the case Tuesday when the Associated Press published an article placing all the blame for our current budget deficits on the Bush tax cuts as well as the wars our nation is waging (h/t Jeff Poor):
The government recorded surpluses in the fiscal years 1998 through 2001. But that all changed once Bush was in office a year. Saddled with costs from the Sept. 11 attacks plus the tax cuts he pushed through Congress, Bush took the $127 billion surplus he inherited from former President Bill Clinton and turned it into a $159 billion deficit the following year. Then wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and more tax cuts swelled it to $413 billion in 2004, a record until $454.8 billion for the fiscal 2008 year that ended Sept. 30.
First, isn't it interesting that there was no mention of a recession in the early part of this decade which certainly reduced tax revenues? The author also chose to ignore the non-recurring component of the 2000 and 2001 receipts inflated by capital gains taxes on stock sales.
This is an issue liberal media members always conveniently sidestep even though the Congressional Budget Office has regularly issued reports concerning this matter, including one on December 20, 2002:
Stock market-sensitive components of revenue are a comparatively small fraction of total receipts. But they appear to have played a big role in the run-up of receipts relative to GDP in the late 1990s. And while there is little hard evidence as yet, they probably also played a major part in the fall in receipts of the past two years.
A CBO report a few months earlier estimated capital gains taxes added over $120 billion to revenues in 2000 alone. How much did this drop in 2002 as stocks suffered their worst year in many decades? Might this have had something to do with the $172 billion drop in tax receipts from 2000 to 2002?
Unfortunately, such matters are never brought into this equation by liberal media members, nor are specific data in the budget that go counter to their agenda.
For instance, although spending on national defense did increase by $151 billion from FY 2001 to FY 2004, spending on Human Resources rose by $291 billion.
As such, wouldn't the AP be MUCH MORE ACCURATE if it stated, "Then wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as a huge increase in spending on things such as education, training, employment, social services, health, medicare, income security, and social security swelled the budget deficit to $413 billion in 2004, a record until $454.8 billion for the fiscal 2008 year that ended Sept. 30."
After all, from FY 2001 to FY 2004, spending on "Education, training, employment, and social services" rose by $30 billion; spending on "Health" rose by $68 billion; spending on Medicare rose by $62 billion; spending on "Income security" rose by $62 billion; spending on Social Security rose by $63 billion. This is a total of $285 billion, or fully 69 percent of the FY 2004 deficit!
Didn't any of these increases play a factor in our nation's budget growing by $430 billion from FY 2001 to FY 2004? Or was the $151 billion increase to defend our nation the sole culprit?
Apparently, in the eyes of the AP, 151 is bigger than 285.
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From an e-mail I got from a friend:
November 26, 2008 - 12:39 ET by mattmToo often recently, we hear suggestions that this President and the Republican party have fallen prey to the sort of carefree spending for which Democrats have always been known.
Republicans shouldn't acknowledge and/or admit to reckless deficit spending under GWB in an unqualified manner as though he were a careless and unnecessarily big spender.
In so doing they overlook four major expenditures which were made that were unique during this President's tenure in office:
1. 9/11
2. Hurricane Katrina
3. Iraq & Afghanistan
4. Implementation of our domestic security/homeland protection program
Previous Administrations did not have to fund such budget busters and let's hope that similar emergencies don't arise in the future.
These expenditures were not made carelessly or frivolously but out of necessity in a responsible, statesmanlike fashion.
Also, let's not ever forget that Congress drafted the legislation required and sent it to the Oval Office for signature and approval.
Conservatives, in particular, should make it a point to vigorously defend the expenditures rather than capitulating to baseless and ill founded attacks from the media and other left wing mouthpieces.
noel, i think you should reread the article you've slammed
November 27, 2008 - 07:48 ET by abeautifulpersonbefore george bush's ineptitude was mentioned, James Horney is prominently quoted:
"We can't sustain a system that bleeds billions of taxpayer dollars on programs that have outlived their usefulness or exist solely because of the power of politicians, lobbyists or interest groups. We simply can't afford it."
no mention of war and actually refers to your points.
when bush is mentioned, the FIRST thing pointed out is 9-11:
"...all changed once Bush was in office a year. Saddled with costs from the Sept. 11 attacks plus the tax cuts he pushed through Congress, Bush took the $127 billion surplus he inherited from former President Bill Clinton..."
but ultimately, the BUCK stops here. making excuses for george bush is laughable. however he (MIS)managed it, he turned the budget surplus and its momentum into a disaster.
sure katrina happened. in large part because bush hired his idiot friend not to take care of business.
sure this financial situation was developing prior. but its the job of the president to identify and head off such problems. doing nothing is doing wrong.
in many cases an ounce of prevention could have averted so many problems. but the #1 guy proved he wasn't up the job. rationalizing the entire mess (which is the culmination of many poorly handled messes), is a ridicules reach. blaming it on liberals is an even greater reach.
Over and over again with the left wing lies
November 27, 2008 - 08:00 ET by PopularTechKatrina happened because those who failed to evacuate were idiots, the mayor and governor absolutely incompetent.
The only thing the president can do to help the economy is to cut spending and taxes.
Economic Depressions: Their Cause and Cure (Murray N. Rothbard, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Economics)
What preventive measures would you take, oh failure of all things economical?
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the levies broke because people didn't leave their homes?
November 27, 2008 - 08:12 ET by abeautifulpersoni WATCHED the warnings from experts about the decaying infrastructure as katrina headed for the coastline. it was yet another example of lack of maintenance.
blaming the mayor for the all the problems?
i'd love for bush to stand up and blame the mayor and those who didn't evacuate. that would be priceless.
Were the people of New Orleans told to Evacuate?
November 27, 2008 - 08:16 ET by PopularTechLook you can defend stupid people and spin stupidity into victims with the brainwashed people you associate with but it does not work here.
I would blame those who did not evacuate but the truth is too much for the average idiot to accept. Just make excuses and blame Bush, it makes life easier on the ignorant.
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help me out here
November 27, 2008 - 08:30 ET by abeautifulpersonhow does SOME people not leaving their homes (what percentage was that?) tie into the levies breaking, thus flooding huge areas of the city; causing widespread destruction.
how was the destruction of residential homes, businesses and commercial property the result of people not evacuating?
how was the cost of bridges and infrastructure requiring repair and replacement the result of people not evacuating?
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4200/is_/ai_n16010962
why did brownie quit, since he was doing 'a heck of a job'?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO2xi0uLnj8
Better question
November 27, 2008 - 08:52 ET by PopularTechWhy do stupid people live below sea-level, exposed on the coast in hurricane alley? Why do they not accept the risk of living this way? Why is that the responsibility of the federal government and the tax payer who does not live like this?
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dodge and weave
November 29, 2008 - 17:25 ET by abeautifulpersonPT, don't you have 40 links to post right about now?
why don't you answer the question.
Because you are ignorant.
November 30, 2008 - 11:02 ET by JWFAnd most of your aguments are logical fallacies. In fact, you may be responsible for several new categories of logical fallacies.
The latest being the combination of the Ad Ignorantiam fallacy and the Straw man fallacy.
The actions of peoples decision to stay in their homes or evacuate from an oncoming hurricane have nothing to do with the abilites of man made structures. Only an idiot and a liar would try to equate the two.
Also, it is called PUNCUATION idiot. You presumably took 12 years of english along with the rest of us. USE IT.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
old argument
November 27, 2008 - 09:06 ET by AgnosticCould the federal government have responded better? Of course but the truth is that anything that could have made a real difference would have had to have been done long in advance. Federal money for the levies was done on a matching program but the local governments had other priorities and that is fine but they need to live with the consequences of those decisions. Infrastructure budgeting was constantly being moved from one budget to another as most local governments do in accordance to the decisions made by local politicians.
This event, while tragic in many ways, was used as a PR tool by the media to attack the administration. From 10K dead, no-bid contracts, murder in the dome, etc..., the stories poored out with out proof and not enough honest assessments were ever made.
Why were the homes
November 27, 2008 - 10:04 ET by BDWhy were the homes destroyed in Alabama and Mississippi already being rebuilt while New Orleans stands there looking for someone else to do the work?
Welfare kills.
Why do we still have "Residents" hiding in FEMA trailer parks complaining about the quality of the walls three years later? Welfare kills.
help me out here
November 27, 2008 - 10:28 ET by JWFHow does a person set up so many straw men that the entire place will go up in flames should someone light a match.
New Orleans had many badly designed levies that were put in place decades and decades before the storm and were built on sinking land. Yes, it was a known problem but the risks were weighed against the cost of upgrading. JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER PLACE ON THE PLANET.
The water only got waist deep and people had 5 days to store up drinking water and food. The old and infirm should have been evacuated by the LOCAL government. NO ONE SHOULD HAVE DIED even if no help had arrived for weeks.
California is expecting a HUGE earthquake. Lots of people will die. Obama knows this. What is he doing RIGHT NOW to correct the aging earthquake prone buildings of California? What is abeautifulspeoples doing NOW?
You are as disingenuous as you are brain addled.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
First of all
November 28, 2008 - 07:49 ET by ahusserFEMA or the Federal Government is not (repeat 500 times) the first responder to a natural disaster. The city of NO has a mayor who can make decisions and talk to the governor who can make decisions. The governor is in charge of the state and the national guard. The governor has to be the one to ask for assistance from the federal government that assistance is almost always in the forn of credit and loans to areas already damaged by a natural disaster. The mayor and the governor of Louisiana had sole responsibility to declare the emergency put evacuation plans in effect. As usual the stupid citizens of NO put that idiot mayor back in office.
I know this is hard for you to understand but the the United States is made up of dual sovereignties.
Change: When the winds of change blow hard enough, the most trivial of things can become deadly projectiles. (On a Poster)
FEMA
November 28, 2008 - 08:05 ET by Sergeant ROCKAnd you would be correct. Myself, I have been involved in 8 or 9 hurricane responses and can tell you that FEMA's role is to augment local and state resources where needed - not as first responders.
With Katrina, it's a fact that some of these knuckleheads thought that they would ride out the flood. I know of firsthand stories of people waving off help during the first day or two only to be squealing for help a couple of days later - it would seem that the newly acquired big screen TV did not provide the nourishment expected. Nevermind the sunken school buses that could've been used to evacuate people, but have you ever looked at the pictures and video of the flooded areas and observed all of the sunken cars?
As with hurricane Andrew, Katrina was all about politics. In both cases, people's suffering was used as a political weapon against a Republican President.
P.S. Bush did not 'blow-up' the levies as alleged by that one resident.
Alan KEYES 2012
My hometown was similarly
November 27, 2008 - 10:02 ET by BDMy hometown was similarly destroyed by first a flood, and then when the water was at its peak, fire ravaged the entire downtown.
But no one was left behind. THe elderly and infirm who lived in the old folks homes here the dike were removed in an orderly manner as the water rose.
No looting. No killing. THe police were not forced to arrest ANYONE.
Why is my hometown special compared to New Orleans?
Better yet, why is rural Alabama and Mississippi better than the residents of New Orleans? Simple: Welfare kitties will also show up at the door looking for someone else to do the work. And that is what happened in New Orleans.
It was a socially engineered disaster. Welfare kills.
abp, real numbers
November 27, 2008 - 08:19 ET by AgnosticFrom the Bureau of Public Debt you can see there was never a real surplus just an illusion of shifting numbers and the use of projections as actual budget amounts (one projection included a surplus in SS even after the first few years of the Boomers retiring). Feel free to slam the Republicans for their spending over the six years they held Congress with a Republican President. A look shows that the Republican Congress (much more fiscally conservative congress under Clinton) with a Democrat President did the best at reducing spending. Makes one wonder what a 2010 victory for the Republicans would do for the economy.
---------------------------------In Trillions-----Debt-----Increase
9/30/1987 Reagan/Democrat Congress--$2,350
9/30/1988 Reagan/Democrat Congress--$2,602---+$252
9/30/1989 Bush/Democrat Congress-----$2,857---+$255
9/30/1990 Bush/Democrat Congress-----$3,233---+$375
9/30/1991 Bush/Democrat Congress-----$3,665---+$431
9/30/1992 Bush/Democrat Congress-----$4,064---+$399
9/30/1993 Clinton/Democrat Congress--$4,411---+$346
9/30/1994 Clinton/Democrat Congress---$4,692---+$281
9/30/1995 Clinton/Republican Congress-$4,973---+$281
9/30/1996 Clinton/Republican Congress-$5,224---+$250
9/30/1997 Clinton/Republican Congress-$5,413---+$188
9/30/1998 Clinton/Republican Congress-$5,526---+$113
9/30/1999 Clinton/Republican Congress-$5,656---+$130
9/30/2000 Clinton/Republican Congress-$5,674---+$17
9/30/2001 Bush/Republican Congress----$5,807---+$133
9/30/2002 Bush/Republican Congress----$6,228---+$420
9/30/2003 Bush/Republican Congress----$6,783---+$554
9/30/2004 Bush/Republican Congress----$7,379---+$595
3/08/2005 Bush/Republican Congress----$7,746---+$367
the budget and spending
November 26, 2008 - 12:44 ET by JIMMY1660the budget and spending should be a line item veto tool for the President. Those who pay taxes are the only ones who benifit.
well we can not do that, so, let's drop all income taxes and flat tax a sales tax. everyone pays. wow what a concept. The President can cut away the pork, and each carrys the load. I like it.
GWB will be blamed for everything BHO fumbles. GWB must write the book and tell all.
allow me to Love America
I blame the deficits on Bush but not because of the Tax Cuts
November 26, 2008 - 12:47 ET by PopularTechBut because he made government bigger. Liberals always blame tax cuts because they are economically clueless on how to cut spending. Bush unfortunately does nothing to make the fiscal conservative case on this:
How Big Is Bush's Big Government? (Mark Brandly, Ph.D. Professor of Economics)
I agree entitlements are a problem but Bush pushed for and signed the socialist prescription drug program:
Kill the Prescription Drug Benefit (George Reisman, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Economics)
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While it's unfair for the
November 26, 2008 - 13:01 ET by RINOSafariWhile it's unfair for the AP to pick and choose budget items to criticize, the fact is, spending has been out of control the past eight years. I personally like GWB, but he has done little or nothing that could be construed as fiscal responsibility. Whether or not the extra expense went to military action and security at home is of little bearing. If those things are so critical, then we must make other budget sacrifices or we simply dig ourselves a bigger financial hole.
So long as the deficit increases at such an alarming rate, then someone is dropping the ball in Washington.
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What you say may be true
November 26, 2008 - 13:37 ET by SmartypantsWhat you say may be true about Bush; however, the criticisms of him that come from people who would have spent even more are really empty ones. On the one hand, they criticize Bush for being heartless and uncaring, and on the other hand he is slammed for out of control spending. In the end, presidents do not spend money. Congress spends money; and Congress has been controlled by the Dems for the past two years. Bush does not have a line item veto, so he has to often take the bad with the good in signing legislation. Bush is not perfect, he's just 1,000 times better than the current alternative, that's all.
Bush's separate issues
November 26, 2008 - 13:43 ET by PopularTechThe criticisms about Bush being heartless and uncaring are ridiculous but he did not control spending or try in any remote way and that is his fault.
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It's always blame Bush. But the ...
November 26, 2008 - 13:08 ET by SentryDanIt's always blame Bush. But the truth is that it is the Congress that passes the bills that the president then signs or vetoes. It is the big spending Congress who is responsible for the debt of the country, not the president.
Most of the time the president will sign the bills that he receives from the Congress. If the president vetoes a bill the Congress has the option of passing the bill over the president's veto or just letting it die.
Whether a bill gets passed or not depends on just how hard Congress is willing to fight for it.
Remember folks, Freedom isn't Free.
Bush's Vetoes speak for themselves
November 26, 2008 - 13:13 ET by PopularTechIf Bush vetoed all spending increases to the federal budget then yes he can be removed from blame but this is not the case.
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If Bush would have vetoed
November 26, 2008 - 13:40 ET by SmartypantsIf Bush would have vetoed all spending increases, he probably would have been impeached by now. It is simply unrealistic to think that the president can do something like that; it's never going to happen by any president in our lifetime. Too much media projecting too much of a one-sided message. They blast Republicans as being heartless even when they're spending through the roof.
If Bush Vetoed Spending Increases he would have been impeached?
November 26, 2008 - 13:45 ET by PopularTechWhat? It is unrealistic to think that a president can be fiscally conservative and not a fiscal socialist? Are you serious?
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That may be the only way to
November 26, 2008 - 13:53 ET by RINOSafariThat may be the only way to break the culture of spending in Congress. (as you mentioned in your other reply, Congress is complicit).
Remember that during the campaign, John McCain vowed to veto every piece of pork that crossed his desk. What would have happened is that after a short time, Congress would have gotten the message and started to change its behavior.
When the president doesn't even throw in a few token spending vetoes, then he's got to be held accountable. Not necessarily moreso than Congress, but he should take a fair share of the blame.
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There is a difference
November 26, 2008 - 23:02 ET by SmartypantsThere is a difference between a veto of "pork" and a veto of "every spending increase," as was stated in the original message. Every increase in spending cannot reasonably be defined as "pork". What if that increase is to upgrade military equipment or veterans benefits? Is that "pork"?
Smarty
November 27, 2008 - 01:20 ET by RESTLESS 1Damn near anything that isn't military or border spending is pork.
Does that answer your question?
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liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
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Actually it is, if the money does not exist
November 27, 2008 - 08:02 ET by PopularTechIf you have to increase taxes or borrow more then any increase of spending is a bad idea. There is plenty of money to fund the military with what the U.S. Government takes in without having to go into deficits.
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Time is running out.
November 26, 2008 - 13:45 ET by pbthinkerPretty soon, the MSM will have to move away from blaming Bush for everything. What date do you predict Obama will come responsible for his administration? My guess is somewhere around 2016.
Election 2008-God's way of showing us that elections count.
pbt
November 26, 2008 - 13:53 ET by Noel Sheppardpbt,
This will ALWAYS be Bush's recession. No matter what the messiah does in the next four years, and what happens to the economy, Bush will be to blame for the downturn.
In fact, if the messiah does NOTHING, and the various bailouts/stimuli enacted by Bush end up working, the messiah will get all the credit.
Consider that FDR is felt by so many Democrats to have solved the Depression when in fact the economy only improved when the nation went to war. Try telling that to a liberal, and see his/her response. ns
Noel
November 26, 2008 - 15:18 ET by Jerry MackTotally agree! If you want to be instantly labeled as a war monger just ask a liberal these questions: " Is $10 billion being spent in Iraq each month or on the Iraq war?" "How many jobs are indirectly and directly related to this war?" ( humves, tank, airplanes) This is one of the reasons for the gradual draw down in Iraq. It is a fact that they know but will not discuss.
Concur: Even if the
November 26, 2008 - 18:27 ET by BDConcur:
Even if the economy amazingly rebounded by January 20th, and then Obama destroyed it by huge tax increases to the earning class - the press would STILL call it Bushes Depression.
once america recovers and buys new history books
November 27, 2008 - 08:02 ET by abeautifulpersongeorge bush will be written up as one of the worst presidents of all time.
9-11 not his fault? wrong. he took more vacation days and was warned. he chose not to listen.
iraq war? wrong. it was an illegal war. and america spent a huge fortune on it. cost-plus?
katrina not his fault? who WAS that fool in charge? who hired him?
financial crisis not at least partly his fault? this happened in part: because bush's crew were too busy being distracted by other messes, in part: because bush - the MBA - didn't understand the financial industry OR didn't care OR both.
i do agree it was WWII that lifted the world out of the depression. since america was not utterly destroyed and the rest of the western world spent the next 20 years rebuilding, perhaps that might have had something to do with it. oh and the loss of 400,000 american servicemen certainly reduces the labour force and also the ranks of the unemployed.
george bush will be written
November 27, 2008 - 10:16 ET by BDgeorge bush will be written up as one of the worst presidents of all time.
9-11 not his fault? wrong. he took more vacation days and was warned. he chose not to listen.
iraq war? wrong. it was an illegal war.
and america spent a huge fortune on it. cost-plus?
katrina not his fault?
financial crisis not at least partly his fault? this happened in part: because bush's crew were too busy being distracted by other messes, in part: because bush - the MBA - didn't understand the financial industry OR didn't care OR both.
i do agree it was WWII that lifted the world out of the depression. since america was not utterly destroyed and the rest of the western world spent the next 20 years rebuilding, perhaps that might have had something to do with it. oh and the loss of 400,000 american servicemen certainly reduces the labour force and also the ranks of the unemployed.
The left knows the facts on the return to budget deficits
November 26, 2008 - 14:06 ET by Gary HallThe left is well aware of the facts on the return to budget deficits - they have simply decided (again) that revisionist history, and the MSM, are one.
Dean Baker, CEPR, is a much respected, by the MSM, left of liberal economist. The MSM (I note, the LA Times and those like Bill Moyers) go to him often in their effort to support their socialist agenda. In fact he's so far left that he has been more than willing for going on 10 years now to call a duck a duck, even when the duck was a Democrat - such as:
Noel noted the hit the budget took from the capital gains tax revenue which dissappeared from the federal budget. While, from the beginning, the MSM was looking to blame it all on Bush it was well understood how the many moving parts had been severely damaged by the economic crash in the last years of the Clinton era. In response to a query from your's truly, Dean Baker explained the obvious (my bold):
They're still helpful, Dean.
I might add, there was also a big hit from corporate tax revenue, which fell from $207 billion in 2000, to $132 billion by 2003.
What's more startling is that the Clinton administration, in it's predictions of coroporate profits had missed for 8 straight quarters prior to 2001, missing each subsequent quarter by a larger number - finally coming up short by 43% for the 3rd quarter of 2000. The economy had been shrinking for two years before Bush took his seat. The economy would take off, following full implementation of the Bush tax cuts in 2003 - with federal tax revenue soaring some 44% from 2003-2007.
(;~> gary
That's a great post. To
November 26, 2008 - 22:09 ET by GregEThat's a great post.
To reply to one part..."with federal tax revenue soaring soem 44% from 2003-2007."
Yep, and unfortunately, federal tax expenditures soaring more than that same 44%. Alot more!
We all looked at that spending as out of control. Conservatives did, and liberals did (only because it was Bush doing it). I've had liberals talk with me about how spending is out of control. Yet, do they really think so, or is it just due their Bush derangement syndrome? And if they do actually think so (or just say for BDS sake) are they naive enough to believe that Democrats will get it under control? From what I've heard from them, yes, they ARE naive enough.
GregE - Thanks
November 26, 2008 - 23:13 ET by Gary HallThanks. Hey next time you copy and paste me, would you correct my spelling errors - Please! Ha.
Well yea. The increase in spending is definately a huge part of that problem. In fact - it was probably made worse becasue we had cut (or slowed the growth) of so many major programs during the late 90's - sounds good, but they did it without a plan for dealing with the fallout from it. Take the late 90's military spending. By the time bush took his seat, the military was in tatters; out of cruise missiles (Clinton had launched 984), military aircraft was grounded - no spare parts; gee, best I can remember we did not have good bullet proof vests, either. It was so bad, that Al Gore's platform actually called for a larger military increase than did Bush's.
And about how those liberals see these issues. As we all suffered thru the early 2000's the anger was spilling over from the MSM convincing the folks, that Bush just kept slashing Medicaid spending. To this day, liberals still bring up how he came in and started slashing spending for all these programs. I think Noel made the point very well indeed, but just for fun, here's how the federal spending for Medicaid looked during those years:
Medicaid - In Billions:
1997 -- 187.4
1998 -- 190.2
1999 -- 187.7
2000 -- 194.2
2001 -- 214.1
2002 -- 227.7
2003 -- 245.7
2004 -- 264.9
2005 -- 294.3
2006 -- 324.9
2007 -- 370.8
Anyway you look at it, Bush was increasing spending on Medicaid faster than Clinton had.
(;~> Gary
The government plays ...
November 26, 2008 - 16:02 ET by SentryDanThe government plays the same game that the corporations play. That is "projection of revenues". When that get the revenue through sales or taxes, things are good. But when they fall short of the revenues, they claim it as a loss.
Question: How can you lose something that you didn't have? Answer: You can't. When this happens, Wall Street goes nuts, stocks fall, people get laid off, businesses cut orders, etc.
These organizations can say that they didn't meet expectations, but they shouldn't call it a loss.
Remember folks, Freedom isn't Free.
Go-Along-To-Get-Along????
November 26, 2008 - 17:19 ET by Roscoe MendagoBush thought he would spend and the libs would like him. Movie night with Teddy, it didn't move'em, Teddy still dislikes Bush. All the compromises that spent money and increased the deficit, dems still tried to defeat Bush, they weren't going to comprise.
What's needed is a budget freeze, cuts where they can be made. An across the board tax cut, everything; business, personal, cap gains, etc.
If that doesn't work, Marshal Law, let the military run things. I would feel less threatened by generals than Obama and the Move-On crowd.
You can't be serious!!!!!
delete
November 26, 2008 - 17:54 ET by cocodriedelete
The economy
November 26, 2008 - 18:22 ET by cocodrieI remember quite well the fiasco that President Reagan inherited from Smilin' Jimmy. It took a while to straighten it out but the MSM bashed and downgraded the Reagan and Bush economy right up to election day in late 91. The day after Clinton won his first term the MSM declared the economy was great and gave Clinton the credit.
After that Clinton rode the economy into the ground with his tax increases and Pres. Bush had to start over. Pres. Bush will be blamed for everything that goes wrong for the complete four years of Hussein"s reign. The tax increases and strangulation regulations of the democrats will be ignored.
To quote Jimmy Neutron, "Hang on it"s going to be a bumpy ride".
Two words ..... Fair
November 26, 2008 - 19:19 ET by clubchamp6Two words ..... Fair Tax ( Flat Tax )
We are fast approaching the time where we can pull this off... everyone is going to be so fed up with being overtaxed and the 7 trillion dollar bailout of wall street that when the tax man comes around again everyone is going to give them the finger.
I'm on board.
November 26, 2008 - 21:47 ET by GregEI'm on board.
Oh no not more of the unFair Tax
November 27, 2008 - 08:09 ET by PopularTechAnyone who can spend five minutes researching the unFair Tax will realize that issuing prebate welfare checks and having the middle class pay more in taxes is not something the middle class wants.
Fair Tax, Flawed Tax (The Wall Street Journal)
Just how Fair is the 'FairTax'? (Money Magazine)
The Fair Tax Fraud (Ludwig von Mises Institute)
Unspinning the FairTax (FactCheck.org)
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Noel,
November 26, 2008 - 20:28 ET by RESTLESS 1It's kinda like pissing in the wind, ain't it?
I haven't decided whether these idiots in the press convolute the economy on purpose, or whether they just don't get it. A little of both I think.
On the face of it, I can see why liberals would hold to the creed that lower taxes means less revenue. It would seem to make perfect sense, until you realize that higher taxes stagnate the economy. Much like a city, if the economy ain't growing, it's dying.
We can bring up the micro points of the economy, and explain the cause and effect of such until the cows come home, but the public at large will end up with eyes glazed over. The MSM know this, and ignores these points. Part of the conservative stragegy in the long run must be true economics classes, taught by honest economists, as early as junior high. We are churning out less than competent people when it comes to the basic "3 R's". When it comes to economics, we are letting loose utterly defenseless people out into the world.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
It's those silly wars.
November 26, 2008 - 22:00 ET by JWFWe should have just sat down and talked to our enemies instead of invading.
Our enemies would not have felt emboldened by the lack of action on our part and kept plotting to put an even bigger hit on the Great Satan.
Let's cut the Navy too. Our Navy is currently 7 times bigger than the next biggest navy. Global trade is over rated. So what if we keep the sea lanes open the world over. It is not like there are hostile countries and rampant piracy in the absence of real governments right? It is not like there are choke points in the sea lanes of the world. Like the Malacca Straights, or the Straight of Gibraltar or the Straight of Hormuz or the Suez and Panama canals.
Iraq? HAH! Let's get out. We left Vietnam after we won, right. All was well. We survived. It is not like millions died in the region. Or our enemies felt emboldened and invaded Afghanistan, or took over one of our embassies while we watched helplessly or started a 25 year escalation of attacks on our embassies, and Marine & Air Force Barracks, put bombs on civilian airliners and in German disco's. It is not like they felt they could kill wheelchair bound jews, or navy divers, or cia personnel with impunity right?
Yeah, we can leave Iraq. The Islamic fascists are just mad at us and they will be placated. It is not like they are setting off bombs in Mumbai India, or Pakistan, or Algeria, or Thailand, or the Philippines, or various places in the Islam friendly countries in Europe. It is just us, the Great Satan.
Oh, and while we are at it, let's get rid of all of those nasty nukes like Uncle Obama wanted to do. It is not like there are various bad actors on the world stage desperately trying to do all they can to acquire them. Hell, we might even just sell them to those bad actors, save them the effort.
While we are at it, can we please please please stop picking on the National Socialists, they only killed 10 million, it is not like they were responsible 100 million killed like the international socialists were responsible for, ok come on, let's give them a pass too. Let's ignore all that and turn everything over to the green movement and shut down all the advances we have made in farming for the last 100 years and go all organic so we could possibly reach teh all holy 1 billion dead from starvation. That my friend is a number. GO GREENIES!
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
To the liberal.
November 26, 2008 - 21:57 ET by GregETo the liberal, entitlements are necessary, cannot be touched, and are actually so expected and so great that they're automatic in the budget, so just toss them aside as a topic and start at zero, and only talk about things above zero. To the liberal, entitlements in the budget are similar to having $500 in your checking account that's unmentioned, so when your account shows $0, you really have $500, but that $500 is purposefully forgotten about.
Defense of our nation?........Baaaaaaaaah, optional, don't really need that nonsense. Killing the budget. Constitution? What's that?
Not trying to equate the two
November 27, 2008 - 01:32 ET by RINOSafariI'm not trying to equate spending increases with pork. I'm just trying to point out that a president needs to be willing to veto unreasonable spending, be it in the form of pork or simple budget hikes. If this government doesn't learn how to tighten its belt soon, this nation is going to be flat broke.
It seems like too often the fed tries to have its cake and eat it too. In someone's home budget, they have to rank expenses by importance and when the money runs out, that's it. The fed has a different tool in its arsenal. It simply prints more money and assumes more debt.
If some budget item is too important to be cut, then fine. But I don't see cutting going on of non-essential programs to offfset the difference. The deficit increases of the last 8 years are evidence of that.
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What was the deficit the previous years
November 29, 2008 - 09:33 ET by jeffinsacFrom 2004-2007 the deficit was shrinking each year and was on track to show a balanced budget by 2009 if the trend continued, yet for some reason the Media has failed to talk about this.