It appears being bestowed a Nobel Prize for economics doesn't improve one's economic acumen, for in the course of roughly 60 seconds Sunday, Paul Krugman said Franklin D. Roosevelt's decision to raise taxes in 1937 deepened the Depression, but it's okay to raise taxes 70-plus years later when the economy is in trouble.
Interesting contradiction, wouldn't you agree?
What precipitated this bizarre, almost instantaneous economic flipflop on Sunday's "This Week" was ABC's George Will bringing up a little history by stating that net investment was negative throughout most of the 1930s because of the uncertainties about the economy and government's activist role during that period.
Nobel Laureate Krugman took issue with this premise (video embedded below the fold, relevant section at 6:57):
PAUL KRUGMAN, NEW YORK TIMES: What actually happened was, you know, there was an enor, there was a collapse in the financial system, which was not restored for a long time. There was a persistent deep slump in consumer demand, and therefore no investment demand and so you're stuck in this trap. Roosevelt got the economy moving somewhat. By 1937 things were a lot better than they were in 1933...
GEORGE WILL: And then they tanked (?)...
KRUGMAN: ...then he was persuaded to balance the budget, or try to, and he raised taxes and cut spending, and the economy went back down again, and it took an enormous public works program known as World War II to bring the economy out of a Depression.
Interesting, wouldn't you agree? After all, the seemingly always opposed to cutting taxes Krugman was sounding almost like Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush who believed that cutting taxes and increasing spending during a recession is the way to jumpstart the economy; Krugman was admitting that raising taxes and cutting spending actually harms the economy.
Yet, when George Stephanopoulos followed this up with a question about whether or not the current economic condition required the president-elect to "put off any plans for tax increases next year," Krugman objected:
No, I think, the way people like me are pushing, I think what will happen is there is going to be push for legislation to do things like healthcare. But that wasn't really ever going to happen. It wasn't going to actually go into effect until 2011, cause we weren't going to so much raise taxes as let the Bush tax cuts expire at the end of 2010.
This is an economics Nobel Laureate? Is he really stating that letting tax cuts expire isn't a tax hike?
Let's see EXACTLY what these tax cuts were, and therefore, what the tax HIKES are going to be if these cuts expire:
- a new 10% bracket was created for single filers with taxable income up to $6,000, joint filers up to $12,000, and heads of households up to $10,000.
- the 15% bracket's lower threshold was indexed to the new 10% bracket
- the 28% bracket would be lowered to 25% by 2006.
- the 31% bracket would be lowered to 28% by 2006
- the 36% bracket would be lowered to 33% by 2006
- the 39.6% bracket would be lowered to 35% by 2006
As such, if these cuts are allowed to expire, in 2011: taxes in the lowest marginal bracket will be raised from 10 percent to 15 percent; taxes in the 25 percent bracket will be raised to 28 percent; taxes in the 28 percent bracket will be raised to 31 percent; taxes in the 33 percent bracket will be raised to 36 percent, and; taxes in the 35 percent bracket will be raised to 39.6 percent.
Forgive me, Nobel Laureate Krugman, but no matter how you want to slice it, this is INDEED a tax hike for EVERY working American. And, if you agree that raising taxes was a mistake in 1937, why would we be talking about raising taxes two years from now while our economy is currently in so much trouble?
After all, assuming economic conditions have improved by 2010, couldn't a tax hike then send the economy back down just like it did in 1938 after FDR's 1937 tax increases? Or, maybe even worse, if conditions haven't improved two years from now, couldn't tax hikes turn a recession into a depression?
Sadly, time ran out on the panel discussion, for I would have loved to see Will pose that question to the Nobel Laureate.
Also, it would have been nice for the host to recognize this glaring contradiction, and ask his guest why raising taxes was a mistake in 1937, but just fine today as our nation faces its worst economic crisis since possibly 1937.
Alas, that might have been too much like being a journalist for Stephanopoulos.
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This is simpler then it looks my friends
November 16, 2008 - 13:08 ET by Defector01Hoover did this - Hoover was republican ergo it was a very very bad idea.
Obama will do this - Obama is Democrat and 'Messiah - therefore it willcause an amazing rebound.
And when the economy tanks the media will proclaim that the Messiah's action has saved us all even as we start taking on European unemployment levels.
I have only ever made one prayer to God, a very short one: O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous. And God granted it - Voltaire
Krugman!!
November 16, 2008 - 13:09 ET by pbthinkerLet's face it, you don't get Nobel Prizes for agreeing with Republicans, or Conservatives, on tax policy. So, like Krugman, you can't argue with facts from the past so you have to tell people they are not insignificant because you got the Nobel Prize and you say so. Life must be good.
Democrats: Stuck on Stupid since 2000.
If Krugman wants to take a
November 16, 2008 - 13:17 ET by motherbeltIf Krugman wants to take a vacation, I can fill in for him, because I apparently have as much knowledge of enonomics as he does.
mb... I wished the
November 16, 2008 - 15:28 ET by bigtimermb...
I wished the over-rated leftist clown would take a permanent vacation, I had a hard time sitting through this round-table segment today...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Okay, I won't say it directly.
November 16, 2008 - 13:22 ET by R D HelmPaul Krugman is a _____ ____ [insert commonly used compound word that is often used to describe the intellectually challenged here].
Hint #1: It is an oft-used term by our friend Roger the Shrubber.
Hint #2: The terms initials are D and A.
-Dave
Did this country just elect Obama/Biden, or was it Soros/Ayers?
Where did Krugman get his Nobel Prize?
November 16, 2008 - 13:40 ET by mizflame98...From one of those claw machines on the Atlantic City Pier?
Perfect Demotivator for the Obama Administration
http://www.despair.com/government.html
Krugman always looks like he
November 16, 2008 - 13:43 ET by the strugglerKrugman always looks like he expects someone to slap him at any minute.
He always had the look
November 16, 2008 - 17:50 ET by In Excessof a little shaking chihuahua to me.
Beady eyed ferret...
November 16, 2008 - 19:40 ET by d1carterBeady eyed ferret...
Krugman like the rest of the
November 16, 2008 - 15:19 ET by dscottKrugman like the rest of the libs know by 2014 there will be no surplus revenue left from the combined Social Security and Medicare payroll taxes. This why they oppose privatization. They spent them all on their vote buying scams called social programs. Without the expiration of the tax cuts, our current $800 billion plus budget deficit will balloon! Oh, you say $800 billion is not a balloon? Well folks, that's nothing to what Obama and the Dems have in store for us. Allowing the tax cuts to expire is their only salvation otherwise they would be forced to cut vote buying schemes. Which is why Obama has to sell the idea of taxing the rich, everyone over $250k in income.
BTW-this is why Obama and the Dems MUST get national universal health care, by dragging everyone into their ponzi scheme they widen the base of funds flowing into the budget. This is the next double down for the libs, if they can pull this one off, the entire country is then locked into their con job with no way out. The beauty of the plan is then they won't need to offer anymore vote buying scams since everyone will be working for the government as employees (think Cuba) cowering in fear lest their benefits be cut off.
The big O will also cut the military budget by 50% since he will declare a new age of multi-lateralism where the UN is in charge of our foreign affairs. No need for a military to do anything when the security counsel will never agree to a military action, now is there? All that money is necessary to keep the ponzi scheme going, but quite frankly even if he abolished the military, the budget would still not be in balance - that folks is the really ugly secret.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
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November 16, 2008 - 15:22 ET by dscottdelete duplicate
A few things.
November 16, 2008 - 15:21 ET by Mike Bratton--Mike
www.thebrattonreport...
And, if you agree that
November 16, 2008 - 15:49 ET by motherbeltAnd, if you agree that raising taxes was a mistake in 1937, why would
we be talking about raising taxes two years from now while our economy
is currently in so much trouble?
Um, because it's not really raising taxes, Noel, it's just "going back" to the old higher rate, so you see, you won't really have to pay any more...it just seems that way. If you didn't sock away that extra money and keep living on your old paycheck amount from when you were paying higher taxes, well sure, this is going to seem like a hike to you...but smart people didn't spend that extra money in their paychecks, so see it's all your fault if it ends up seeming like you have less money when the old rates come back!!
Besides, this is The Obama doing it this time; he will do it the "right way" so people won't feel it; they'll actually have more money because of all the other changes he's going to make!
Wow. That was freaky. I think I was channelling Krugman for a minute there. Or maybe Bob Herbert.
Truly, Mr. Krugman has a
November 16, 2008 - 16:02 ET by HockeyKidTruly, Mr. Krugman has a dizzying intellect.
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
WOW
November 16, 2008 - 17:59 ET by Vonu"Or, maybe even worse, if conditions haven't improved two years from now, couldn't tax hikes turn a recession into a depression?"
Are you predicting a recession in the next couple of years?
Whatever informed your change of opinion on the matter?
wrong, on most topics
November 16, 2008 - 19:00 ET by sawing battaKrugman: wrong on healthcare, too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EPd2i4Jshs
Good video.
November 16, 2008 - 22:05 ET by GregEGood video.
Good article about this
November 16, 2008 - 21:02 ET by GregEGood article about this so-called Nobel prize for economics.
http://www.france24....
Because economics, unlike physics or chemistry, is not a science, its equations are not absolute or reproducible as fact, and though maybe most often something occurs than doesn't, it's not a science.
Interesting and powerful note from the article...
"There are those, and not just conspiracy theorists, who believe that
rather than helping the economy, Nobel economic laureates have been
responsible for market crashes; that the prestige of the prize gives
their theories the force of gospel truth, thus affecting investment
decisions."
This is always interesting
November 16, 2008 - 21:13 ET by GregEThis is always interesting spin, used gleefully by liberal everywhere to try and disguise that they want tax hikes...
Krugman: "...we weren't going to so much raise taxes as let the Bush tax cuts expire at the end of 2010"
So liberals aren't going to actively raise taxes, they're just going passively allow taxes to increase, yet it's not really a tax increase, it's just letting taxes go back to the way they were in the Clinton years. Let's see, that was higher, and since right now taxes are lower, they will need to increase to get back to Clinton-admin levels. Libs and their precious word play. It's a freakin tax increase morons!!!
And why is there never an expiration date on a tax increase, yet the "Bush tax CUTS" have such an expiration on them? Again....liberalism is moronic!
and now
November 16, 2008 - 21:19 ET by katainkentHere we are on the lines and observing the Democrats War on Capital.
what's the word? OK.. ok... I am hearing enormous public works programs like a World War are good to jumpstart an economy. Aparently so is a massive healthcare program. And of course, taxes are good. Taxes are always good.
back to you, George.
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Remember the one definition
November 17, 2008 - 15:55 ET by Tim the EnchanterRemember the one definition of insanity- doing the same thing over and over, and expecting the results to be different.each time.