74% of CEOs Believe Obama Would Be Disastrous for the Nation

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With the nation in the middle of what is being regularly reported as the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, a new poll found that 74 percent of America's top business leaders fear "an Obama presidency would be disastrous for the country."

Don't be surprised if you didn't hear about this, for virtually no major mainstream press outlet felt it was important to share with the public.

Do you think Obama-loving media would be so apathetic if this poll found an overwhelming majority of business leaders were scared about what a McCain presidency would do to the economy?

Despite the answer, our supposedly impartial press seem totally disinterested in Chief Executive magazine's just-released survey which found some CEOs worried that if implemented "[Obama's] programs would bankrupt the country within three years" (emphasis added, h/t Jazz from Hell, photo courtesy Time.com):

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Chief Executive magazine’s most recent polling of 751 CEOs shows that GOP presidential candidate John McCain is the preferred choice for CEOs.  According to the poll, which is featured on the cover of Chief Executive’s most recent issue, by a four-to-one margin, CEOs support Senator John McCain over Senator Barack Obama.  Moreover, 74 percent of the executives say they fear that an Obama presidency would be disastrous for the country

“The stakes for this presidential election are higher than they’ve ever been in recent memory,” said Edward M. Kopko, CEO and Publisher of Chief Executive magazine. “We’ve been experiencing consecutive job losses for nine months now. There’s no doubt that reviving the job market will be a top priority for the incoming president. And job creating CEOs repeatedly tell us that McCain’s policies are far more conducive to a more positive employment environment than Obama’s.” [...]

“I’m not terribly excited about McCain being president, but I’m sure that Obama, if elected, will have a negative impact on business and the economy,” said one CEO voicing his lack of enthusiasm for either candidate, but particularly Obama. 

In expressing their rejection of Senator Obama, some CEOs who responded to the survey went as far as to say that “some of his programs would bankrupt the country within three years, if implemented.”  In fact, the poll highlights that Obama’s tax policies, which scored the lowest grade in the poll, are particularly unpopular among CEOs.

Despite the poll's findings, from what I can tell, even though this study was disseminated by PRNewswire, it has garnered very little mainstream media attention.

Think that would be the case if these business leaders were so negative about McCain's economic policies?

No, I don't either!

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.


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I agree with the one CEO; McCain isn't great, but Obama's worse

That one CEO who was lukewarm about Mr. McCain is right: while he isn't the greatest candidate on the planet, he is far, far better than the media's "American Political Idol", Barack Obama! 

Dims and the Economy

Why do we keep hearing that the dims are better on the economy?

I don't get it. How?

I could just hear it now if Obama gets elected, when the economy really tanks, "it was all Bush's fault" and the "republicans"

"It was far worse than I thought" 

"Now we need more gov't to fix it"

Howdy NJDan.. The good

Howdy NJDan..

The good ol' msmworks on their agenda of repeat a lie often enough..it will be a fact...

They have done this since I can remember with the economy and the big bad rich republicans who don't care about you blah blah blah...the dems can do a much better job...over and over and over...then they take their polls that are usually lop-sided anyway with more dems voting in the polls and say this is a fact...

The dems who destroy the economy, want more socialism in every nook and cranny they can squeeze into to control all and keep people down and dependent on them, at the expense of the hard working people and companies who support them.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Let me save the Obama camp the effort...

THAT IS RACIST!

Can anybody criticize Obama at all?

You mean to say that if you dare criticize The Anointed One at all, you're racist?  The comments I made are about the way the media reveres him so much.   They swoon, it seems, at the very mention of his name. 

That's just BIG Industry talking!

Us "regular" Americans don't care what 74% what the top CEO's in the country think, they just want more money and they are right now paying less taxes than their middle-class secretaries thanks to the "failed Bush Policies". 

I don't think Americans are stupid, but if they don't see that by taxing the ones who create the jobs, that there will be less jobs and then higher unemployment and more people relying on the Government for support, which I think is the Ultimate plan of Obama and the Democrats.  If more people are relying on the government it will be easier to shift into a socialists government since most of americans are getting aid from the government and not the free market.  It is SCARY! 

I don't think Americans are

I don't think Americans are stupid...

LOL-Have you been watching the polls? Apparently half of us are-and profoundly so

-Dave

TWENTY SIX DAYS TO GO...Before the government-educated voters engage in the ultimate act of celebrity worship and turn the future of liberty and freedom over to Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Barack Obama. - Neal Boortz

 


Unbelieving in polls

Most of the polls I don't believe, and while some Americans are dumb, on the whole I don't this that is the case.  Most of those voting for Obama aren't real people since they and ACORN are stealing the election.  Maybe I'm wrong and most of us are dumber than a box paper clips.

That's unfair to paper clips!

At least paper clips SERVE a function!  I do believe that if we keep reminding people WHO caused this sub-prime scandal, people will figure it out.

 The other thing to start howling about is that EVERY politician, no MATTER what political party they belong to, should RESIGN if they got campaign contributions from Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac.

 Of course, Barack would have to resign as he received the SECOND most highest donations with only TWO years in the senate!

I wonder how great the

I wonder how great the financial market will do if Obama wins. I think we'll all be wishing that we can be as high as 9,000 again if the confidence of Obama's financial leadership is this low. I wonder if there's any correlation, even a small one, with the recent Obama favoring polls and the stocks tanking.

Well that just proves that

Well that just proves that CEO's are racist...they don't think a black man can "manage" the economy.

MB

It's perfectly equal opportunity. They don't think the white half of him can "manage" the economy either. 

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Think that would be the

Think that would be the case if these business leaders were so negative about McCain's economic policies?

 

Of course not.

 

Also, the MSM usually loves Donald Trump but since he has endorsed McCain, they have completely forgotten The Donald.

Think that would be the

Think that would be the case if these business leaders were so negative about McCain's economic policies?

 

Of course not.

 

Also, the MSM usually loves Donald Trump but since he has endorsed McCain, they have completely forgotten The Donald.

Whoops!

Sorry about the double post.

so polling the top 1% income earners...

... results in a negative opinion of obama. what did you expect? obama has specifically targeted this group as those who will be hit with more taxation. 

abp, when many of your lib friends lose their jobs...

...because their employers can no-longer afford to employ them, just don't come bitching to us here at NB, because we aren't going to want to hear it.

And why do you want other Americans, particularly business owners, to be hit with far higher taxes?

Do you somehow feel that the prices you are currently paying for the goods and services provided by these businesses are not high enough already?

Do you want everyone, and that includes you, to have to pay higher prices just so you can say you helped "stick it" to the eeeeeeevil rich?

-Dave

TWENTY SIX DAYS TO GO...Before the government-educated voters engage
in the ultimate act of celebrity worship and turn the future of liberty
and freedom over to Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Barack Obama.
- Neal Boortz

Top 5%, repeat, TOP 5%...

Dave,

Aren't you losing your job? While Wall Street gets bailed out, Homeowners get bailed out, Banks get bailed out...Who's helping you? You support this bail out?

Top 5%...those making over $250,000 will see a tax increase. Those complaining about a tax increase are the top 5%. Whaaa!!! Whaaaa!!!

They reap what they sow...greedy bastards!

I hope you find a job if you haven't already...

Ubercon

Whether its the top 5%, or the top 1%, makes no difference.

Obama taxing fat-cat CEOs into the dirt isn't going to help me, or anybody else, for that matter, in any way.

People have been led by the economic illiterates amoung us to believe that if those eeeeevil CEOs were only paid less and/or were forced to pay higher taxes, then they themselves are going to benefit in some way.

Only people who attended government schools, taught by those same economic illiterates, think that way.

All it will do is make the victory-drunk lefties slap each other on the back so they can say things like, "Hey, we sure stuck to those rich bastards, didn't we?" while they are standing in the unemployment line.

Of course, going after the fat-cat CEOs with confiscatory taxes may cause a miniscule (as in damn-near invisible) bump in federal revenues, or, given the current economy, slightly decrease the rate of the drop in same, for one year, but that is it.

Unlike the average Obama supporter, the people in that income range aren't stupid, and will make whatever adjustments to their compensation necessary to make damn sure they don't get nailed again the following year.

BTW-Not once have I heard Obama say that he is pushing for higher taxes on "the wealthy" in order to increase government revenues. No, he, like most of his ilk, are only supporting this to punish achievement. Period.

After all, it just isn't fayer that some people make more money than others.

What is more, even if they were trying to increase government revenues, there aren't enough of those fat-cat CEO's with gazillion dollar compensation packages running around to make any real difference, anyway.

Obama knows this, which is why he is going to impose confiscatory federal income taxes on people who make all the way down to $250k/yr. These aren't eeeevil fat-cat CEOs. They are small business owners who happen to file their personal and business taxes together.

They also just happen to represent the segment of the economy that is currently creating about 80% of the jobs in this country. No, it isn't IBM, Ford, Exxon-Mobile, or any other Big Business entity that is creating the bulk of the jobs here. Its the guy down the street who owns a few tire shops, or a few fast food joints, a hardware store, or whatever.

To me, even considering slamming the largest job-creating sector of the overall economy with any kind of a tax increase is beyond stupid.

Many of the employees of these businesses, should they vote for Obummer, will be voting themselves out of a job.

-Dave

TWENTY SIX DAYS TO GO...Before the government-educated voters engage
in the ultimate act of celebrity worship and turn the future of liberty
and freedom over to Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Barack Obama.
- Neal Boortz

bosses out of work? that's a larf

these CEO's aren't just business owners. in fact, a number don't own the businesses they are running. don't confuse this income elite of elite in the country with business owners. they aren't synonymous. i know plenty of successful, hard working business owners who don't fit into that income bracket.

btw.

'come here?' to 'us'? dave, you have illustrated what's wrong with the system. only when the divisiveness partisan dogma ceases will america be able to resolve its problems.

its too bad that this type of observation needs to be pointed out to 'us'. but then again, it was the author of this commentary who was calling those who predicted this financial crisis, 'alarmists', just a couple months ago. 

abp, Just how, exactly, does CEO compensation affect you?

Or me, or anyone else?

Besides, what companies pay their CEOs is their business. No one else's.

As for Noel referring to those that "predicted" this financial crises (the bulk of which was caused by G O V E R N M E N T, not CEOs, as the roots of this mess were planted over 30 years ago) as alarmists, has it ever occurred to you that just maybe the Chicken-Littles out their had a hand in causing all this?

-BTW-I have seen the vids of the dims lining up ten deep at the mics a couple of years ago, telling us all that the FMs were in great shape financially, and that there was nothing to worry about.

-As I recall, they were resisting efforts that were being made to correct the problems with the FMs, two entities that were created by dims, and have pretty much been run by dims ever since. 

As for "coming together" with the left, I'll pass. It was lefty do-gooder, feel-good socialism that helped bring us to this point. It will be the free market that gets us out of it, if it is left alone to do so.

More socialism will only make it far worse.

-Dave

TWENTY SIX DAYS TO GO...Before the government-educated voters engage
in the ultimate act of celebrity worship and turn the future of liberty
and freedom over to Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Barack Obama.
- Neal Boortz

if you don't see how CEO salaries and their compensations...

... affect you, me and the planet, then... wow. i'm not about to start 'splainin that one.

its funny (and i am definitely laughing) how over-regulated, canadian banks in commie land almost completely dodged this sub-prime disaster. socialism in canada has resulted in budget surpluses, inexpensive world-class education, healthcare for all, a healthier population that's well educated and happier (rank 4 vs US 19).

btw, the democrats are not my friends. they're just a very, ever-so slightly better version of the 2-party debacle that claims to be the US electoral system.

facts:

happiness rank:

http://www.socyberty...

health rank:

http://www.who.int/c...

http://www.who.int/countries/can/en/ 

Astupidperson

You're not "splainin" that one because you can't. What others make in no way affects you or me or anyone else. And don't lay that "raping the earth" bullshit on me either. 

BTW, have you even noticed how your socialist heroes in Europe are doing these days? Hell, even the stock markets in China and Japan are hemmoraghing, at a faster pace than ours.

Oh, and if you can't see how taxing everyone out of a job leaves nobody to pay taxes, well, I ain't "splainin" that one. 

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

restless...

We should ignore abp until they actually bring something to the table. Obviously, abp does not understand CRA and how that led to subprime lending.

If USA legislation dictates pertains to Canada, then that is news to me. The only other way that Canada coulod be involved is if they loaned money to US banks...they can barely support their own socialistic spending, so I am certain that is not issue. Easy to see why Canada was not involved.

 

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

LK

Don't confuse ABP with facts and logic. That is kryptonite to liberals. I don't like resorting to ad homs, like my post above, but being ignorant is one thing, but being willfully ignorant and unwilling to listen to facts is only one thing, and that is "stupid". 

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

abp...being like Canada

 

unsane had great post yesterday that puts this into perspective. 

Most liberals do not understand the commitment to Health care in the USA because of capitalism. 

"M.D. Anderson, a hospital in Houston, a city with a massive medical center, has a research budget larger than all of [Canada]."

I think that really illustrates the disparity between the 2
philosophies. Without capitalism, true innovation becomes crippled and
advances in ALL areas will be limited -- including Health Care.

 

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

won't matter - right now, CEO is just a four-letter word

The survey could be 100% unanimous, but the greedy Wall Street CEO's have given a bad name to all except Warren Buffett, and we know where he stands.

I'd like to see Thomas Sowell on television discussing economics.

regarding Barack Obama's tax plan - I never received a job from a poor person.

Using money

Jesus told a parable about a rich man giving money to three people. The first person took the money and made a 10 times profit. The second person made a 5 times profit. But the last guy took the money and did nothing with it. Guess who got yelled at? Hint: it wasn't the rich guy, or the profit-making guys.

Now if a poor Galilean preacher from two thousand years ago can grasp the fundamentals of economy, why can't Obama?

It's better for everyone if you give money to people who can use it to make more. That way, businesses get started or expand, jobs are created, and more jobs means a higher demand for each worker, driving up wages. On the other hand, if the extra money is simply used to pay a bill for one month, the money winds up in the rich guy's pocket anyway. The money won't be doing anything.

Obama tells us that instead of giving money to rich people, he wants to distribute it to everyone except the rich. It sounds so good, so "fair," for Obama to be our patron, but on the large scale, it's stupid. Investing requires a critical mass of cash that individuals don't have. Hey, I like a few bucks as much as the next guy, but even if you gave me a couple thousand, I still won't have enought to start a business and give anyone a job.

That's the difference between being egalitarian and being smart. Don't believe me? Take it up with the guy who told the parable.

Some good points KC!

Any of you have anything left of the last government handout? I didn't think so.

It was not enough to do anything significant with for the vast majority of us.

Anybody have any idea where the money came from? Nowhere.

We just wrote a check to ourselves and promised to make it good at the bank sometime in the future.

Remember this, any money that you get from the government comes with a price tag attached. The problem is that you don't know the actual price or who eventually is going to pay it.

The track record of both republicans and democrats is that if you are making between 40 and 150 thousand a year, it will be you footing the bill.

Wrote a check to ourselves

Great line.

Where did they get the money to give to you? They got it from you! The only difference is that they took credit for giving you your own money. Are we supposed to be grateful to them?

Politicians are the ultimate rain-dancers. They do their little circus show, and when the sun comes up, they claim credit for it.

that is such BS.

yeah, obama just wants to cut cheques...

there are other ways of giving a man money, but in an organized manner: better education, better health care, various programmes to stimulate small business development.

the gap continues to widen between the rich and poor. and your solution is to give the top income earners more money. why not tell that to the person working 80+ hrs a week in a free trade zone in a 3rd world country, making YOUR running shoes for an multi-national company. ask him if giving more money to the top 1% income earners is making their lives better. 

if jesus were alive today, i wonder what he would say about the state of america. would he give the thumbs up on america's state of the economy? how america treats it most downtrodden? what do you think jesus would say about america's expenditures on 'defense'?... so let's keep jesus out of this one. 

in the end, there is a crap-load of debt accumulated. who pays the bill? they gotta be paid. is it the guy with 13 houses? or should the guy with one house, downsize? i'm all ears.

OK, let's have some fun

Programmes? We call them programs in the US. Which leads me to suspect that you're not American. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but it means you're less likely to understand American capitalism. Of course, I could be wrong. Variant spelling is merely inductive evidence. But if I'm right, this could be a learning experience for you.

  • Give top earners more money? You must be confusing the details of the parable with Obama's tax plan. Obama wants to tax the top 5% earners, and (he claims) not tax the rest. You know that poor guy in the third world country? He's not a US citizen, so he really doesn't have anything to do with Obama's tax plan, does he? And if his country makes him work 80 hours a week, you're yelling at the wrong country.
  • Would Jesus approve of the US? Hmmm. interesting question. Why wouldn't he? Are you suggesting that US capitalism is structurally immoral? Just because it's going through a bad patch?
  • You think Jesus would disapprove of how much we spend on defense? OK, maybe you're right. Let's cut US spending on NATO and European defense. Good luck, hope it all works out!
  • Of course, if you think that my post was claiming that "Jesus is on our side," that's a conclusion you brought with you. I didn't say that. What I did say was that Jesus grasped a fundamental concept of any economy: where possible, you funnel resources to where they do the most good.
  • As for the accumulated debt, the answer is that we all pay, each according to the share we're responsible for. If you can't pay the debts you've accumulated, you shouldn't expect anyone else to pay for you. Why is it either-or? We're all responsible. The guy who agreed to pay a mortgage is as responsible as the lender who offered him too sweet a deal.
  • As for your being all ears, I'm sorry. Is surgery an option?

PS: I'm not trying to be sarcastic, just playing around. I mean nothing personal.

thanks for taking the time

i appreciate it. not american, canadian. i get capitalism. i am one.

allow me reply by point...

- i think we have seen the results of inequitable taxation. i appreciate working smart, but i will never be convinced that most (not all) multi-billionaires work that much harder or smarter than the rest of us. they bend the rules, they spend their lives looking for loopholes and they avoid paying tax as much as possible.

- check out the YES MEN. they have a very solid theory that slavery exists today, by enslaving populations within their own countries. multi-nationals bribe the elite of 3rd world countries to keep minimum wages as low as possible, little-to-no health care, no worker rights. the US supports this every time people shop at walmart, buy nike shoes etc. because the US is the leading consumer, i am indeed yelling at the right country. 

- this problem is not a bad patch. america has been living off its credit card for years. and unchecked capitalism does appear to be immoral. we have seen how the greediest rise to the occasion to thief. the sub-prime fiasco, enron are just a couple examples. jesus would not approve.

-  jesus would also not approve of the US' military spending. you'd be shocked when you don't stomp peoples or subjegate for their resources, how many fewer enemies you have. america is not alone in this. the US learned from a good teacher: britain.

- you may not be suggesting jesus is on your side, but your president certainly does, and your potential VP also does. i can only think that since your leaders do, you do as well.

- everyone pays their share? ummm. no way. yes, some bought into the sub-prime deal with no money down. but there are plenty more peeps who are suffering indirectly. some people pay their share, some people paid far more, some people made off like bandits. i WISH everyone paid their fair share. unfortunately, the world doesn't work like that.

i wish it did. 

oh and the joke. i liked it. seriously. thanks for injecting a bit of humour. mind if i steal it from you? i find i am hardened by the typical venom i receive by swimming against the NB current. your light-heartedness is refreshing.

cheers. 

Now I can respect that

Having a conversation is a lot of fun, and we can disagree thoroughly, without getting personal. You're living proof. Thank you. To your points ... I'm sure you already know most of this, but it helps me to lay out the story. Your post opens up a lot of issues to discuss, but I can't address all of them at once. (Besides, my Philadelphia Phillies are about to play, and I can't miss that.) Let me start with these ...

  • The US already has a tax system that's weighted against the rich. The more you make, the more you pay. The top rate used to be near 90%, until the Milton Friedman/Laffer curve conservatives came along. They showed how the increasing taxes muffled the economy overall, reducing eventual revenue for everyone. It's counter-intuitive at first, but it makes sense later on, and by darn, turns out to actually work. (The current subprime crisis has nothing to do with taxes, but my argument -and the CEOs- is that Obama's tax policy would be disastrous, especially now.)

Obama wants to raise taxes, and he wants to do it unevenly. Take all you can from the rich (who happen to be in the best position make the money work), and give extra money to people who can't create jobs (which is the key to economic health). It's not because strategy calls for it, but because it appeals to an egalitarian desire to "be fair." That may be well-intentioned and sincere, but it's bad strategy.

  • I'm not a lawyer, but I do have lawyer friends. They tell me that most of the tax loopholes aren't intentional. They're fossils of political haggling that the politicians never clean up. Have you ever seen the US tax code? It's volumes and volumes long. A lot of that bulk is simply passed on from year to year, that no one wants to review. The vast majority of corporations will pay what you ask, but they're not going to pay taxes that the government doesn't ask for. (After all, legally, they have a fiduciary obligation to their shareholders.) That's why you hear conservatives constantly complaining for a simple tax code - if you clean out those loopholes, the corporations will pay just fine.
  • The living off the credit card criticism is valid, I think. But I don't think that makes capitalism immoral. Capitalism is an economic system, not a fool-proof economic system.

I'll let you in on my personal criticism of America. We're not immoral, but I think we may have gotten lazy. We take success for granted. Pardon my pride, I think we're the greatest country in the world, but success doesn't run by itself. Just because we're America doesn't make us American. We have to work for it. Freedom doesn't come free. We're so used to being successful that we forget that we have to keep working for it. Being American isn't consequence free. We have to play the game, and we have to play the game right.

 

abp...are you sure you want to bring up Jesus?

The teachings of Jesus did not suggest that taking care of the needy was the job of the government. In fact, the brethern were to care for each other and meet each other's needs ... that would be the church.

The liberally ignorant assume that the CHURCH is a building; colloquially, that may be true, but in Biblical teachings, the CHURCH was the body of believers.

If the government did not intrude so much in OUR lives, especially our finances, the truly altruistic (conservatives) could actually do more to help those in need. 

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

abp...crickets chirping

No answers.

As an aside, if the someone can afford 13 houses, they should be able to keep them. If someone CANNOT afford one house, they should R-E-N-T. Home ownership is NOT a right. It may be a dream, but it is not a right.

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

Jesus would probably say the

Jesus would probably say the same thing He said to the secular leaders of His day - NOTHING. He spoke to the religious leaders of the jews and to the jewish people. If we had more Jesus we would have less murder, rape, lying, stealing, and other vile things.

So we'll be just like Iceland...

Universal Healthcare, happy people, long lifespan and no economy.

 

You want change? Give me a dollar.

Being like Iceland

unsane had great post yesterday that puts this into perspective. 

Most liberals do not understand the commitment to Health care in the USA because of capitalism. 

"M.D. Anderson, a hospital in Houston, a city with a massive medical center, has a research budget larger than all of [Canada]."

I think that really illustrates the disparity between the 2 philosophies. Without capitalism, true innovation becomes crippled and advances in ALL areas will be limited -- including Health Care.

 

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

or canada who have all of these and an economy

who didn't get into this sub-prime mess but have to suffer (some) it because others got greedy.

then again, this sub-prime mess isn't the only problem. its one of many.  

abp...can you handle the truth?

Do you really know the truth about the financial mess? Do you know about CRA? Can you handle the TRUTH?

TRUTH 

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

abp...crickets chirping...interest in the truth?

<chirping...> 

Dare to learn the truth.

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

Given recent events, what

Given recent events, what percentage of CEOs are disastrous to the country? :)

My Sentiments, Too

“I’m not terribly excited about McCain being president, but I’m sure that Obama, if elected, will have a negative impact on business and the economy,” said one CEO voicing his lack of enthusiasm for either candidate, but particularly Obama.

I don't have much excitement for McCain, but Obama scares me especially if he also gets a Democrat (super) majority in Congress.

What bothers me about McCain is that with only a few exceptions, he does not realize that Democrats could care less about bi-partisanship. They want to crush Republicans in general and conservatives in particular. The sooner McCain realizes this and take the gloves off, the better his chances will be come November.

Are you in support of the CEO's position, Noel?

Noel,

Just to be clear since you brought it up, do you support these CEOs and their positions? It looks like they are the ones who are going to be spanked by an Obama Administration and Democrat Congress. I would be alarmed if they did support Obama! Are you saying the MSM should report on CEOs grumbling about possible higher taxes on their incomes? The MSM should be reporting on the stock market and the high salaries of these bastards as the greed has blinded these CEOs better judgment on what's right for the country. Greedy bastards looking for a hand out...

Ubercon 

UB

UB,

As you believe CEOs are all so blinded by their high salaries and greed that their judgment concerning what's right for the country is irrelevant, why would you care what my opinion is on this regard? Answering your question seems like a bloody waste of my time since your opinions are already dug in and surrounded by trenches and barbed wire.

Let me know when you have an open mind to discuss this matter, and I will consider responding. BTW: Should all of the folks that work for companies run by "these greedy bastards" immediately resign and find work with people at the lower end of the income level just on principle? Or is it okay to work for a "greedy bastard" to pay your own bills?

Just wondering?  ns

Open mind...?

Noel,

"Answering your question seems like a bloody waste of my time since your
opinions are already dug in and surrounded by trenches and barbed wire."

Who has a biased opinion?!? Nice job!

Discuss it, Noel...a "star' CEO walks into a company to make it more profitable, receives assurances and a "package" of goodies. Turns the company around by ridding it of 20% of its deadweight workers, sells off major parts of its manufacturing, shows a "profit" then bankrupts the company with too many bad decisions...walking away with a "golden parachute" while the workers and shareholders are left holding the bag...yeah, greedy bastards...if you're working for one of these companies and haven't pursued other options...well...I guess the stark reality of a depression shouldn't surprise you.

Hey, Noel, are we in a strong or weak economy? Are we headed for a recession, a depression or who the hell knows? Do we bail out the homeowner, the CEO, or both? I would love your opinion and overall feeling on this economy since you're an economist...

Ubercon

 

Uberpain, why don't you and the rest of the libtrolls here at NB

...who are so wound up with rabid wealth-envy and hatred for high-achievers (and let's be honest here, that is really what motivates you) put your money were your mouth is.

If Obama gets elected, why don't you all volunteer to quit your jobs for one year, then go out and try and find a job working for a poor person.

Oh, and be sure and get back to us in a year and let us know how its workin' out for ya. :-)

-Dave

TWENTY SIX DAYS TO GO...Before the government-educated voters engage in the ultimate act of celebrity worship and turn the future of liberty and freedom over to Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Barack Obama. - Neal Boortz

RD... C'mon, you know how

RD...

C'mon, you know how it would pan out. They would cry like babies to Obama and his socialist buddies, then ask the Messiah to get money from you and I to pay for them sit on their lazy butts! Hell, they would probably demand a living wage to boot.

Sarahs Shared Geneology Explains Her Attraction.

 

 

Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/  

Socialists?

Who's getting bailed out? Start pointing those fingers at the current Admin.! Oh, that's right...it's the dimobats fault! 

Ubercon

Uberconfused,

Hmm, exactly how many NBers actually supported this hideous bailout? I bet I could count the total number on two hands and one foot.

Why don't you go google the voting records for this stupid, pork-fat dripping bailout bill, which was conceived by, written by, passed by, and signed into law by L*I*B*E*R*A*L*S!

-Dave

TWENTY SIX DAYS TO GO...Before the government-educated voters engage
in the ultimate act of celebrity worship and turn the future of liberty
and freedom over to Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Barack Obama.
- Neal Boortz

High-achievers?

My, my, how the tables turn...sounds like elitism to me...

As for money...I secured credit lines for the firm before the economic downturn. Good luck to you.

As for people quitting their jobs...that's considered a choice. As for Bush/McCain's plans for the economy, people are losing their jobs. You might want to rework your thought processes, you're showing signs of "mental recession" symptoms.

Ubercon

So, its all Bush's fault

So, its all Bush'a fault people are losing their jobs?

Bush didn't sign the damn CRA into law in the first place-Jihad Jimmy did. Nor did he sign its revision, as that was Billy Joe Bob Bubba Jeff doing.

If he failed at all here, it was because he didn't do the sensible thing like take advantage of the time he had with a "republican" congress and repeal that stupid law in its entirety.

Once that was done, he then could have worked to do away with the FMs completely, and get the federal government (and particularly us tax-payers) the hell out of the mortgage business altogether.

Of course, had he tried to do the sensible thing, you libs would have had a collective stroke.

-Dave

TWENTY SIX DAYS TO GO...Before the government-educated voters engage
in the ultimate act of celebrity worship and turn the future of liberty
and freedom over to Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Barack Obama.
- Neal Boortz

"As for people quitting

"As for people quitting their jobs...that's considered a choice. As for Bush/McCain's plans for the economy, people are losing their jobs."

Don't worry though, Obama's plan to increase taxes on job creators will have all those jobs back in no time, lol.

 

Obama's Economic plan: more taxes, more spending, more regulation. Prosperity here we come.

Yea Noel, a complete WASTE of time, UB is a devotie of the MSM

Have you, EVER seen a movie, where a CEO is good? Name me ONE movie , tv show etc. That ever did!! There you go rationale of ubers view.

Most CEO I know, give away all their money, Because they know they can't take it with them...They build hospitals, libaries, set up foundations etc..

They know more than anyone else that: The more you make the more you give away.

The government hacks hate this competition, because they want to be the philantropic ones, such magnamious ones! giving away my tax money..

Mao; 0bamas idol killed millions of landlords, in China.

 

 

CLIMATE CRISIS

IranianUranium

Gates, Buffet, I agree!

Upc,

The Dow is down to 8980...Heck of job, GOP!

Got to see "Wall Street" the other day on PBS, no doubt. That Oliver Stone! Gosh, I wonder how "W." is going to turn out...October 17th...mark your calenders!

Your tax money is going to the neediest ones...the CEOs!!! Bailout buddies...greedy bastards!

Ubercon

 

the dems are in charge now

the dems are in charge now dude - but thanks for playing anyway 

Journalism is the opium of the liberals

My apologies... It's

My apologies...

It's tough fixing a sinking ship as the rats jump off...

Ubercon

Ubercon...

If you can handle the truth, here is a must see video

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

Lion King, GREAT video,however one must be able to READ.

To get the message.

Proof postive ucon is a sputtering dud.

CLIMATE CRISIS

IranianUranium

ucw, sputtering dud?

LOL-Bet he shoots blanks, too.

Err, I mean, when it actually fires.  :-^)

-Dave

If this nation is to be saved, it will be libertarian principles that save it.

Lionking...spot on video!!! Thanks...

Quick video...lots of info.

Those super smart homeowners with their low incomes really pulled the wool over those lenders' eyes. Who knew they could all conspire to extract huge sums of money from the banks. The GOP should have been the watchdog when they had the chance (damn those deregulators!). If they could have had enough time to right the wrongs of the dimobats and their devious plans to bilk the taxpayer out of hundreds of billions of dollars...I guess the GOP needed to focus on Iraq and our security first...oh well...C'est le vie!

Ubercon

Dow...8579!!!

Now is the time to buy, buy, buy...oops...there's no money! Hey buddy, can you lend me a dime?

Ubercon

Ubercon...

The low-income borrowers did not fool anyone. Banks and lending institutions were compelled by CRA to lend to the unqualified.

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

LK, compelled?

LOL-That's putting it mildly.

I think it was more like put a gun to their head and forced them to.

-Dave

TWENTY SIX DAYS TO GO...Before the government-educated voters engage
in the ultimate act of celebrity worship and turn the future of liberty
and freedom over to Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Barack Obama.
- Neal Boortz

Dave...Here's 25 cents...mind if I play???

Uber...

How did 5 MILLION ILLEGAL'S get home loans???

Sorry...25 cents doesn't buy much anymore.

<looks for more change>

"That"Ster.

Don't worry McAmnesty is here to save the day!

They won't be illegal after McAmnesty saves them from foreclosure!!! Remember his NEW plan to buy up all of those bad loans and save their jobs in the process!!!

Thanks for playing!

NEXT!

Ubercon

Damn minorities and their low incomes!!!

LK,

You would think after even 1 year in office, the absolute control over Congress and the Admin., Bush and company could have gotten a handle on this fiasco looming on the horizon. They could have reigned in the devious dimobats and their low income supporters. Gosh, if they only had more time to correct the mess. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens over the next 4 to 8 years. I hear the Senate will have at least 60 dimobats after the election...Gosh, the times they are changing!

Ubercon

Ubercon...how is this Bush's fault?

Not sure how this is the responsibility of the executive branch. It was signed into law by Carter; the revised version was signed into law by Clinton. The executive branch is supposed to enforce the law.

Am I missing something? 

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

 "You would think after

 "You would think after even 1 year in office, the absolute control over
Congress and the Admin., Bush and company could have gotten a handle on
this fiasco looming on the horizon."

Absolute control? Spoken as someone who clearly has no clue how government works. It's not like the other side packs their bags and goes home when they lose the majority. But who cares about reality when make-believe is so much easier.

"I hear the Senate will have at least 60 dimobats after the election...Gosh, the times they are changing!"

It's possible, and if it happens....God help us all. 

Obama's Economic plan: more taxes, more spending, more regulation. Prosperity here we come.

uber, sorry you missed these 3 words sad.

Community Reinvestment Act... a democrat, plan started by Pres Carter.. Pumped up by Clinton.. truely sad..This rule FORCED banks to hop on this trainwreck.

CLIMATE CRISIS

IranianUranium

ucw,

LOL-I admire you for trying, but these are libtards. 

For them, history didn't begin until George W. Bush took the Oath of Office in Jan., 2001.

To the non-linear liberal mind, nothing that took place in the late '70s (probably when these libtards were still mere itches in their daddy's pants) could possibly be causing problems now.

Unless, of course, it was done by a republican. :-)

-Dave

TWENTY SIX DAYS TO GO...Before the government-educated voters engage
in the ultimate act of celebrity worship and turn the future of liberty
and freedom over to Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Barack Obama.
- Neal Boortz

Just like we are being FORCED into this bailout!

Upc,

Don't gag just swallow...those damn dimobats and their devious plans for the future...How did they know Reagan was going to win the election and go on to be so popular? How did they know the GOP was going to rule Congress after Clinton was in office? How did they know Bush and Co. were going to rule the world for 6 out 8 years with a rubber stamp Congress? Gosh, those dimobats were sure smart back then in '70's!

Ubercon

uber, yea by the PROMISE if the FDIC

 FDIC

No worries for you tho, you are just 1 of the COLLECTIVE  minion of the ENTITLEMENT  god.

Choose ye this day whom you're going to BEG from.

CLIMATE CRISIS

uber can talk to this guy, opps it IS uber!!

IranianUranium

COLLECTIVE minion of the ENTITLEMENT god..

Upc,

Ummm...Entitlements for CEOs, homeowners, etc. This bailout is a good thing? It's helping the markets feel secure here and around the world!

Choose the following-

"Holey moley, the Dow lhas over 5500 points in one year, is there an end to the losses? When will it hit bottom?"

or

"The Dow closed today above 8500 today. Compared to the period from 1928 to 1997, it's still strong as ever!"

If you're a few years away from retirement and have a 401k...ouch! 

Ubercon

Just to be clear since you

Just to be clear since you first brought it up, when you started trolling ineffectively here a few weeks back.

What you brought up was this:  ranting screeds where you mouthed some sort of raving fascist claptrap, which I assume you thought was how actual conservatives think, and communicate.

When that didn't work, and gIve you what you were clearly after -- conservatives who agreed with your bonkers assertions, you morphed into suspect usual "liberal" wanker.

So.. my question is this:

Is UBERCON still a transparent LIAR. Or is this the REAL YOU?

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

Wanker?

JackBauer(?),

Being English, what's your take as the Global Financial Markets are collapsing around us? Less money for the English socialist programs? 

Wanker is an English term for "jerk-off", correct? That's not very civil! Am I allowed to call you a jerk-off? Noooo...

I've been against this bail out since day one and everyone is calling me a liberal and socialist...WOW!

Ubercon

Just to be clear UBERCON, I

Just to be clear UBERCON, I am calling you a LIAR.

You came on NB playing a little game in which you espoused quasi-fascistic ravings in the hope of garnering "conservative" support.

When that failed to happen, you morphed back into OBAMA support.

So are you LYING now? Or were you LYING then? So... when did you start and stop LYING.

Oh -- and you can call me anything you like. Water off a duck's arse, old boy. Who cares what a LIAR writes?

And why on earth should I be civil to a proven LIAR? That's very scummy behavior dude.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

Jack

Are you calling Ubercon a liar?

:p

Btw, I was chatting earlier, and everyone wants me to compile Couric/Gibson interviews, of both Palin and Biden, and edit them together to show bias... and other clips/interviews, too. 

Might have time this weekend... if I can download stuff from youtube. Are you better equipped for video?

 

NOW PLAYING:
Governor Palin Get Your Gun

 

Mr S... sure, I can edit

Mr S... sure, I can edit stuff together on my PC with Adobe Premier pretty quickly.

As you know, it's just researching and compiling all the clips that's the hassle.

If anyone has already downloaded the clips they can easily send them via www.yousendit.com.

You can download from YouTube via the latest FREE REALPLAYER. 

It's dead easy. Just find the video on YouTube... copy and paste the video URL into the Real Player by

FILE.. OPEN... paste the URL into the space provided.

This opens the cliup in Real Player, and then in the top right you'll see a gizmo that allows you to download the vid onto your PC as an MPEG. 

A unifying background song/track might be fun... if anyone has any suggestions. I See Your True Colors Shining Thru.. who's that by?

Oh .. was I being an bit obscure about UberCword. I just hate deceivers and disemblers.

You remember when he first started posting, I think you actually responded "Whoa there buddy, wanna dial down the crazy talk which sounded a parody of the worst stereotype of some man in the woods Montana militia, bordering on crazy.

I knew then he was trolling for nutjobs. Now he's just an Obamabot. He really does think people are stupid and have no memory.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

Lying Liars and the lies they tell...

JB,

Show me where I've supported Obama-man. 

Show me where I've rejected my intial "ravings".

I embrace what I've said now and in the past.

I'm not perfect nor do I try to achieve perfection.

I enjoy women, booze, and a great time. 

I reject pseudo-American conservative English blokes like yourself.

I've asked you in the past to give us a perspective of socialism in England. Sounds like you're a pathetic, angry english bloke who wants to escape his own country and be an American Conservative. Gosh, if anyone here were to think about living elsewhere, we'd call them traitors to our country. So, Jack, are you a traitor to your country? If you hate it so much...why not live here? And if you don't want to live here...why not?

I'd like to say "Bugger off" but I'm not English.

Thanks for the insults...

Ubercon

More on Obama's background.

More on Obama's background. May explain his core belief system. -- I have not seen this info before so wanted others to see this document.  UNREAL!  Media are losers.  Hope they cover this PRIOR to the election.  What a scam if not!  

============

First, Obama's REAL name is Barry Soetoro. Then Obama Lies about never being Muslim! How can he be trusted!? An OUTRIGHT LIE! NEVER disclosing his REAL NAME to the public. When was it legally changed? WHAT does his NEW name signify? It must MEAN something to change your name! ASK him in the debate McCain!!!! WHEN did he become an American citizen? Shown to live and be an Indonesian citizen when young. An absolute must watch!

Proof Obama was a Muslim
http://www.youtube.c...

Brother Confirms Obama Was Muslim, and Has Photo to Prove It
http://www.youtube.c...

Obama's Muslim call to prayer
http://www.youtube.c...

 The "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" blog reports that Obama's Indonesian schooling began when he was entered into the Roman Catholic, Franciscus Assisi Primary School on January 1, 1968 and sat in class 1B. He was registered under the name Barry Soetoro, serial number 203. School documents listed Barry Soetoro as an Indonesian citizen and his religion was listed as Islam. He will spend three years at Franciscus.

Catholic schools accept non-Catholics worldwide. Non-Catholic students are typically excused from religious instruction and ceremony.

1971
Obama's family moves from H Ramir Street to Dempo Street and Obama enters the 4th grade at the Besuki Primary School, a government school. He was enrolled as Barry Soetoro, Muslim.

1971
All Indonesian students are required to study religion at school and a young Barry Soetoro, being a Muslim, would have been required to study Islam daily in school.

He would have been taught to read and write Arabic, to recite his prayers properly, to read and recite from the Quran and to study the laws of Islam.

In his autobiography, "Dreams From My Father," Obama mentions studying the Quran and describes the public school as "a Muslim school."

According to Tine Hahiyary, one of Obama's teachers and the principal from 1971 through 1989, Barry actively took part in the Islamic religious lessons during his time at the school. His teacher was named Maimunah and she lived in the Puncak area, the Cianjur Regency. "I remembered that he had studied "mengaji" (recitation of the Quran)" Tine said.

Obama himself recalls, "In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Koranic studies."

Our guy in Jakarta writes: "The actual usage of the word 'mengaji' in Indonesian and Malaysian societies means the study of learning to recite the Quran in the Arabic language rather than the native tongue. "Mengagi" is a word and a term that is accorded the highest value and status in the mindset of fundamentalist societies here in Southeast Asia. To put it quite simply, 'mengaji classes' are not something that a non practicing or so-called moderate Muslim family would ever send their child to. To put this in a Christian context, this is something above and beyond simply enrolling your child in Sunday school classes."

"The fact that Obama had attended mengaji classes is well known in Indonesia and has left many there wondering just when Obama is going to come out of the closet."

"As I've stated before, the evidence seems to quite clearly show that both Ann Dunham and her husband Lolo Soetoro Mangunharjo were in fact devout Muslims themselves and they raised their son as such."

M-B

Hey Noel..Rush is talking

Hey Noel..Rush is talking about your blog post here right now...

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

BT

BT,

Did he mention NB, me, or both? :-)  ns

Noel, Both! It was

Noel,

Both!

It was brief, but he mentioned that you had sent this in to him from NewsBusters and quoted the percentage of the  business people/CEO's who had voted for this...and I think he mentioned something to the fact of course it won't be mentioned in the msm...I got interrupted by a phone call, but I think I caught most of it....

I'm just tickled, plus I an sure you will catch it later when you can..

He is all excited right now about McCain finally mentioning Fred/Fannie and it being the dems fault and his opponent ect. at a Town Hall meeting he is at...he is really on a roll today...

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

BT

BT,

THANK YOU!  I knew he'd like this one.   :-)  ns

I heard this too!

Great work Noel!

Server Slam Alert! Rush just mentioned this post on his show.

LOL-Get ready for the slowdown.

Oh, and congratulations, Noel.

-Dave

TWENTY SIX DAYS TO GO...Before the government-educated voters engage
in the ultimate act of celebrity worship and turn the future of liberty
and freedom over to Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Barack Obama.
- Neal Boortz

I'm always hesitant to take

I'm always hesitant to take these kinds of facts & figures at face value, no matter who they favor. 

Even when it is 74%

Even when it is 74% boa?

Wow.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Well, yeah, because you

Well, yeah, because you never know what it's based on exactly, how did these CEOs reach this decision.

boa...experience, business

boa...experience, business acumen...common sense....reality.

Pick anyone of the choices.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Only being able to afford

Only being able to afford one yacht, not two, not being able to have the doorstops in their houses gold-plated, not able to light cigars with $100 bills...

»→ Seriously, bal

Somebody had to build that yacht.

You have problems with Americans having jobs?

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

I'm saying perhaps the

I'm saying perhaps the reasons for saying Obama would ruin the economy aren't all that critical. 

How did 95% of blacks arrive

How did 95% of blacks arrive at their decision to support Hussein Obama? I wonder what was their motivation?

»→ Who knows?

Maybe they realize the effect raising taxes has on the ability to raise capital, afford R&D, hire workers?

Just silly considerations like that, maybe?

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

b

b,

Yes, and I'm sure you'd be hesitant to throw this in our faces if 74 percent of 751 CEOs polled said McCain's economic would be disastrous for the nation. RIGHT! :-)  ns

Noel, I wish I could say

Noel,

I wish I could say "You betcha!" but I don't like to do that. Because then you find out later that the questions to those CEOs were skewed for a certain response, etc. I just don't trust 'em.

I've predicted a stock

I've predicted a stock market crash if Obama wins the election.  All but the most dedicated socially-left Kool Aid drinkers in the business community KNOW they are going to get really screwed with a Communist president and a very left-wing Congress at his disposal.

Why wouldn't the MSM cover

Why wouldn't the MSM cover this story? Because it's a dog-bites-man story. CEOs like the Republican in the race. Wow, I would never have guessed!

That's probably the same

That's probably the same reason why the MSM doesn't trumpet the stories of marxists, socialists and communists who support the Democrat in the race, huh Morgan. Why report what is common knowledge? Right? I mean, what other reason could the News Division of the Democrat Party have? 

Where are all of these trolls coming from?

They're coming out of the woodwork these days.

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

I believe some liberals get

I believe some liberals get tired of the polluted atmosphere they have created in their own blogs and websites. With the occasional exceptions, I'm glad to see them here. You got to admit it, Restless, they add a little spice to the recipe at NB.

Karma,

We have a small fraction of trolls here who possess some intellect. It's the drive-bys I could do without. 

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Ummmm...

Karma,

The MSM has been covering and trumpeting the stories of the Marxists, Socialists, and Communists...The bail out of Wall Street, Homeowners, CEOs, etc. by the Government with taxpayer funds. Flipping the pages of the dictionary...stop...yep...there's the definition of socialism...hey, that's a nice picture of Bush and Hank! 

Check please!

Ubercon

Strike one.

Read more carefully, Ubercon. Take your time.

Financial melt down.

  

Thursday the DOW closed at 8579 which is 60% below where it stood 1 year ago. The plunge is directly related to the collapse of the housing bubble caused by the policies of our illustrious leaders in the Government who in their infinite wisdom decided to coerce lending institutions to make Politically Correct loans to borrower who had no hope of paying them off. When the “Chickens came home to roost,” as Obama’s former reverend so succinctly put it, they tried to arrange a $700 billion bailout. Having failed in that effort they went back to work and raised that figure by adding $150 billion of pure pork, subsidizing wooden arrows comes to mind, and the $850 billion bill passed with flying colors. The effect on the markets however has not been, shall we say, as predicted?

 

Several times since 1991 I have, in letters to the editor and elsewhere, asked voters to join me in voting those who have brought this disaster upon us out of office. In each subsequent election they have been returned to office; we are now reaping what we have sown. The full force of these ill-conceived policies instituted by Democrats in the Carter and Clinton Administrations and tolerated by Republicans when they controlled both houses of the Congress, have now devastated financial institutions world wide. While this was going on these same politicians have received millions in campaign contributions from those institutions which they failed to properly regulate.

 

This morning I awoke to the headline “Congress Mulls Major 401K Changes.” I would suggest that if you are fortunate enough to have anything left in your 401K that you hide it immediately because they are coming after it.

 

Have you had enough?

About the arrows...

You do realize mistakes are created as bills are passed into laws?

The "subsidizing wooden arrows" is correcting a mistake. Wooden arrows were being "taxed" at a fixed rate of 67 cents per arrow. The arrows cost 25 cents. One company went out of business because of this glitch. It was corrected to reflect a fixed percentage of 8.5%, instead of 67 cents, per arrow.  Though it seems everything is pork, it is not the case. Eventhough McCain can lay claim to the platform of "No more earmarks", he must answer to the amount of money being appropriated to his pet projects in his state of Arizona. It may not be an earmark so to speak, it is taxpayer money going to his state by way of the appropriations path.

Ubercon