NBC News has responded to John McCain's protest concerning biased election coverage by giving one of the most left-leaning members of the media -- a host from the ultra-liberal radio network Air America -- her own prime time program on MSNBC.
Honestly, how much further to the left can this network go?
While you ponder, this is what the New York Times reported just a few hours ago (h/t TVNewser via Hot Air):
Just in time for the closing rush of the presidential election, MSNBC is shaking up its prime-time programming lineup, removing the long-time host –- and one-time general manager of the network — Dan Abrams from his 9 p.m. program and replacing him with Rachel Maddow, who has emerged as a favored political commentator for the all-news cable channel.
Believe it or not -- and as disgusting as it might seem to folks wondering if there's a such thing as impartial journalism anymore! -- MSNBC isn't trying to hide this move as a further shift to left:
MSNBC has put heavy emphasis this year on presidential election coverage (it has given itself the tag line, “The Place for Politics”) and has turned to Ms. Maddow frequently both as a guest and as a substitute for the network’s most popular host, Keith Olbermann. Mr. Olbermann’s emergence as the signature personality on the network has led to an unofficial rebranding of MSNBC as the liberal alternative to Fox News, which is dominated by conservative hosts like Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity.
MSNBC has been known to be seeking a way to capitalize to a greater degree on Mr. Olbermann’s popularity. A program hosted by Ms. Maddow will almost certainly be a closer ideological fit with Mr. Olbermann’s.
Imagine that. These folks are actually trying to leverage the popularity of the most hateful and biased person on the airwaves today. Isn't that special?
Maddow, of course, is quite pleased:
“This is great; getting a regular cable show is something I’ve wanted,” Ms. Maddow said.
Adding journalistic insult to journalist injury, Olbermann actually took credit for this abomination at Daily Kos Tuesday:
Let me answer the key questions in advance:
1) No, she will not be serving as a VeeJay introducing music clips or cartoons.
2) No, I don't think we have the name of the show chosen yet. She wanted to use "Countdown With Keith Olbermann" and I said, that's where I draw the line.
3) No, the format isn't set, though there have been a lot of discussions out there and they have all centered on how to best allow her to both give her laser-quality insights while soliciting the opinions of others.
4) Yes, I had something to do with it.
5) Yes, you had something to do with it.
Excuse me, because I have to throw up, wash my hands, and disinfect my keyboard -- not necessarily in that order.
I'm nauseated...talk amongst yourselves.
Post facto aside: what's really amazing about this announcement is that the very folks who are applauding this move by MSNBC view Fox News as a shamefully biased network. Yet, much like Olbermann, Maddows likely won't have ANY conservatives on her show to present even the slightest bit of balance.
Of course, by contrast, Fox News prides itself in always having liberal pundits as guests. Why is it liberals don't understand this extraordinarily obvious distinction?
Yes, that's a rhetorical question.
Update 5:41 | Matthew Sheffield. Bill Carter of the New York Times follows up with a brief interview with Maddow. Key quote:
As for being branded another partisan voice from the left, Ms. Maddow said she was no more partisan than any other host in cable. “I am who I am,” she said. She dismissed the expected criticism from the right, saying, “Everybody likes to work the refs to make their own kind of political hay.”
Yes you read that correctly.
Missing from any of the punditry on this issue is how MSNBC's ratings strategy can't work long term. Democrats already have a channel they like to watch, CNN. Being a more cartoony left version of CNN isn't going to make loyal CNN viewers switch over to see what's up. This is not a rising tide lifts all boats scenario.
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Hannity & Colmes
August 19, 2008 - 20:39 ET by Nortonalecwill crush that dude on a nightly baisis.
Nortonalec
"that dude" LOL
August 19, 2008 - 20:43 ET by Blazer"that dude"
LOL !
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
when does OBL Hugo Chavez
August 19, 2008 - 21:25 ET by TruthMongerwhen does OBL Hugo Chavez get a PMSNBC show? for some now badly needed pro-America balance
Journalism is the opium of the liberals
Wow
August 19, 2008 - 21:47 ET by KC MulvilleWho is Dan Abrams? Did he have some kind of show or something?
Just kidding. I know who he is. He's a boss at MSNBC who fired himself to make room for Rachel Maddow. And to keep Olbermann placated.
Noel.... Believe it or
August 19, 2008 - 20:43 ET by bigtimerNoel....
Believe it or not...I saw this live....I still have duct tape in place...and barf bag at the ready when I remove it.
I wished I could say I was surprised about this...I also wished I could use the language my husband and I used discussing this pathetic decision.
If they get anymore to the left they are going to fall off the planet.
...couldn't happen soon enough either.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Kobie
August 19, 2008 - 20:46 ET by MrltavernThis is coming from a network who just tried to make Kobie Bryant look square when he admitted that he was proud to be a representative of the US in the olympics.
I'm sure Maddow will have the same useless viewer base as Olbermann. I think NewsBusters should begin posting the monthly ratings read outs for the MSNBC crowd if you really want to know how far they're sinking with this garbage.
Mr.L
"...the network’s most
August 19, 2008 - 20:47 ET by Reaver"...the network’s most popular host, Keith Olbermann."
That is just so sad.
their network was already
August 19, 2008 - 21:28 ET by TruthMongertheir network was already burning into treasonous oblivion
i know! they could throw some GAS ON THE FIRE!!!
good move
Journalism is the opium of the liberals
So basically it's now two
August 19, 2008 - 20:48 ET by BlazerSo basically it's now two full hrs. of "Countdown" instead of one.
They should have just combined Keith & Rachels shows and called it "Spastic & Colon".
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Or
August 19, 2008 - 20:53 ET by NortonalecRagney and Spacey.
Nortonalec
....or maybe....
August 19, 2008 - 21:43 ET by neighb...One-and-a-half Men
More like one and half
August 19, 2008 - 21:56 ET by RukusMore like one and half women! LOL!
"Nuke 'em 'til they... oh hell, just shoot 'em!"
uh...don't think so, Ruck...
August 19, 2008 - 22:16 ET by neighbThough you might have a point about Keithiboy being a girlieman, word on the street is that Maddow DEFINITELY has a pair.
Yeah, I can concede that
August 19, 2008 - 22:38 ET by RukusYeah, I can concede that point I guess. But, Olberdork is a girlie, uh, girl.
"Nuke 'em 'til they... oh hell, just shoot 'em!"
Actually
August 20, 2008 - 08:29 ET by cvgbuckeyeI think they should pair them up and name it "The Mrs. Olbermann and Mr. Maddow Show"; although I would guess that Mrs. Olbemann would prefer Ms.
How about... Colostomy
August 19, 2008 - 23:12 ET by Eileen RightHow about...
Colostomy Keith and the Catheter Kid?
LOl Eileen.... Works for
August 19, 2008 - 23:21 ET by bigtimerLOl Eileen....
Works for me!
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
The real story here is that
August 19, 2008 - 20:59 ET by DaBirdThe real story here is that the New York Times actually used the word "liberal". I guess they finally found someone who they see to the left of themselves.
Future: NBC debate
August 19, 2008 - 20:59 ET by Ryan Mc.Future:
NBC debate moderated by Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow suggested. Obama camp accepts after refusing to debate on Fox news. McCain camp accepts invitation hoping to get credit from the media.
Questions include: Why do you hate poor people, and why are you and other Republicans so racist?
Obama questions include: How frustrating has it been to have your character questioned and the color of your skin be the focus of your opponents campaign against you?
McCain campaign begs media to recognize the unfair questions but polls suggest public thinks McCain might be a racist.
...and of course let's not
August 19, 2008 - 21:11 ET by bigtimer...and of course let's not forget to throw in questioning Obama's patriotism... he accused by insinuation of McCain doing that again today at a VFW town hall...they never quit.
It has got past old...these are desperate creatures now....they are sinking, and will futher if this keeps up.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Would that be "Why are YOU
August 19, 2008 - 23:15 ET by Eileen RightWould that be "Why are YOU people racists???
I am thinking she will sink
August 19, 2008 - 21:01 ET by CrimsonfistedI am thinking she will sink like Katie Couric and we will enjoy the demise. WhatAMaroon
Actually I hope she does
August 19, 2008 - 21:09 ET by BlazerActually I hope she does well. It will keep the Krazy Kos Kiddies off the streets for an extra hour. -sarc
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
That's not Olbermann?
August 19, 2008 - 21:09 ET by the strugglerI thought that was Olbermann without his glasses.
At first i thought it was
August 19, 2008 - 21:11 ET by BlazerAt first i thought it was Mary Lou Retton on Steroids but then I realised it was just Ivan Drago's wife.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
OMG...you're right! That's
August 20, 2008 - 07:02 ET by motherbeltOMG...you're right! That's who she looks like!!
(The one on the right! LOL)
I'll bet she could make Keith whimper!
Well, Emperor Olberdork the 1st......
August 19, 2008 - 21:09 ET by BEGRUNTfrom the "Olberman Broadcasting EMPIRE", has done his bit to lose even more viewers..........What marketing geniuses they are!!
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
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NBC
August 19, 2008 - 21:24 ET by R D HelmI think it is safe to say that NBC no-longer stands for Nothing But Communist.
It now stands for Nothing But Crap.
As for MSNBC, it now stands for Most 'Suredly Nothing But Crap.
Why any right-thinking Amurrican would allow either of these worthless networks to be aired in their home is utterly beyond me.
Then again, right thinking Amurricans are in rather short supply these days.
-Dave.
NBC/MSNBC
August 20, 2008 - 08:02 ET by oopsIsaiditagainDave, Well said, LOL. I constantly say this - AND THEY CANCELLED TUCKER!!!! thanks Newsbusters for the updates, because I WILL NOT WATCH MSNBLAH...
oopsIsaiditagain, welcome to NewsBusters.
August 22, 2008 - 19:33 ET by R D Helm-Dave.
Vote None of the Above in '08!
RD...
August 22, 2008 - 19:39 ET by Clear thinkerYou have Utters?
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45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goal
"Yes, sir, you are absolutely correct"
August 19, 2008 - 21:28 ET by TexndocPity the poor Jonathan Alter, Howard Fineman, and Richard Wolfe. After months of "Yes, Keith, you are absolutely correct" now they need to memorize a new line. I suggest the above to prevent confusion.
You're all wrong
August 19, 2008 - 21:43 ET by KC MulvilleSee, you guys are missing it. It really isn't the ideological bias. They're bringing Rachel Maddow in for higher ratings. MSNBC is just trying to improve its ratings, and they're turning to ... turning to ... wait a minute ... Air America????
Anyone who holds stock in GE needs to bring some sort of fiduciary litigation against these guys, because they are absolutely not trying to make any money.
Where does it all end?
August 19, 2008 - 22:02 ET by d1carterWhere does it all end?
d1... I'm already
August 19, 2008 - 22:07 ET by bigtimerd1...
I'm already dreading what will happen after the leftists lose the Prez election again....the bombardments against the administration will immediately start and the next names for possible Prez will be named by the msnbc talking heads about a month later....
I thought it was bad last go around....we most likely haven't seen anything yet...
...these leftist really don't have a clue they are their own worst enemies.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
LOOTING & RIOTING
August 19, 2008 - 23:31 ET by mostlymoderateI have a feeling the MSM will incite widespread looting and rioting.
Where does it all end? It
August 20, 2008 - 07:32 ET by motherbeltWhere does it all end?
It all ends with a Throwdown.....Rachel and Mika in a "Smirk-Off"!!!
motherbelt
August 20, 2008 - 07:48 ET by Cool ArrowWhat sort of contest would you suggest Matthews and Olbermann engage in?
BWAHAHAHA.
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I don't think they can
August 20, 2008 - 08:15 ET by motherbeltI don't think they can compete; they don't have anything in common.
And here I thought MSDNC had
August 19, 2008 - 23:09 ET by Captain RepusAnd here I thought MSDNC had given up on looking for a few good men.
The only people that will
August 19, 2008 - 23:22 ET by mostlymoderateThe only people that will watch Maddow are the same grey-haired hippies from the 1960's that feel bad about not making an impact in the world because they were too stoned to care. Essentially the same crowd that watches the windbag Olbermann.
P.S. These are ALSO the
August 19, 2008 - 23:29 ET by mostlymoderateP.S. These are ALSO the same people whose parents were Republicans, lived fruitful lives, made tons of money through capitalism and unfortunately have left that money to these 1960's rejects in their wills. That's the only reason these stoners can afford their daily latte, their hybrid automobile, their $150 Birkenstocks and their yoga instructors.
That's funny
August 20, 2008 - 10:21 ET by kornissues22That's funny. I'm a 22 y/o college student with $40,000 in debt and will definitely be watching Rachel Maddow's show. How's that 65 to dead demographic treatin ya O'Reilly.
Agree
August 20, 2008 - 10:27 ET by cvgbuckeyeDead-------------brained
Wow, $40,000 in debt to
August 20, 2008 - 11:11 ET by fitzfongWow, $40,000 in debt to produce that level of intelligence. I'd take odds on an imminent loan default. But don't worry, with the "knowledge" you've so obviously acquired in college, I'm sure you'll be able to work something out with the IRS over that nasty "debt forgiveness" thing.
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I dident think 40,000 would
August 20, 2008 - 11:28 ET by bassndudeI dident think 40,000 would get you past the first year.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
That's just the debt. No
August 20, 2008 - 12:41 ET by fitzfongThat's just the debt. No doubt we're paying for the rest of this parasite's "education"...and will eventually get stuck with the bill for the $40,000, to boot. My guess is that this slob will spend the duration of his/her existence living off the production of others, and feel intellectually and morally superior for doing so.
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
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So he/she will be a
August 20, 2008 - 14:02 ET by Eileen RightSo he/she will be a professor or a politician...
Or a social worker.
August 20, 2008 - 14:05 ET by BlondeDavid Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
You're all crazy do you
August 20, 2008 - 14:08 ET by SemperrightYou're all crazy do you know how much someone pulls down with that BA degree in 16th century French aromatherapy. I'm betting the loans will get paid back the first month.
"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference.
The MARINES don't have that problem."
President Ronald Reagan - 1985
Don't be too sure. They
August 20, 2008 - 15:26 ET by fitzfongDon't be too sure. They may get paid well, but they still manage to act like deadbeats when it comes to meeting their debt obligations.
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
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Come on guys
August 20, 2008 - 19:34 ET by Cool ArrowWhen I was 22 I was pretty much the Bleedin' Heart Liberal myself. Sure, I was going to school on the GI bill and working a low pay job, but liberal is just the way kids go when there aren't any real responsibilities.
Cut the kid some slack. s/he may turn out just fine.
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Fong, you are completely
August 20, 2008 - 19:12 ET by TheGingermanFong, you are completely out of line. Attacking some 22 year old for trying to get his education?
That's incredible. Did you even read your post before you put it up?
To attack a complete stranger in such a manner is completely classless.
Slob? Parasite?
How exactly are you paying for his education? Like it or not, college is a major advantage in the job hunt these days. Not having a college degree severely limits one's options.
But hey, your attitude is great. The world needs ditchdiggers too.
Call me crazy, but I'd rather have a degree and get a salary then work for an hourly wage. I like the security, what can I say.
I take it from your animosity you never went to college? That's fine, but sheesh, it's absurd to launch baseless attacks against someone you don't even know. Amazing use of assumption.
That's pretty rich, coming from you Ginger
August 20, 2008 - 19:23 ET by BlondeDid you not read the 22 yr. old's original post?
Guess not.
Typical, though, just jump in the middle, shake your wanker around at the established posters here....and walk away like big man on campus.
That's fine, but sheesh, it's absurd to launch baseless attacks against someone you don't even know. Amazing use of assumption.
Hoist by your own petard, sport.
You may leave.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
B-Londe, you mean this
August 20, 2008 - 19:29 ET by TheGingermanB-Londe, you mean this one?
That's funny. I'm a 22 y/o college student with $40,000 in debt and
will definitely be watching Rachel Maddow's show. How's that 65 to dead
demographic treatin ya O'Reilly.
Yeah I did. And? How did this warrant Fong's outrageous response?
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. How does this post indicate that this guy will grow up to be a slob and a parasite. If it's within your realm of possibility, please try to respond without your little catch phrases. We've heard them already. Branch out.
For such a big man on campus
August 20, 2008 - 19:38 ET by BlondeYou sure whine like a four year old girl.
Of course you have no clue what I'm saying. I merely mentioned that you are totally rude and out of place to come here and WAVE YOUR WANKER around like a four year old boy trying to get some attention. Come here and try to school the members? Bawahaha, sonny.
Is that too hard for you to understand?
As for my "catch phrases"....it takes someone with more of an IQ than you apparently have to comprehend (does your mummy pin your IQ on your shirt so you can remember how to count to 25?).
Finally....my sn is Blonde. I have no clue what you are trying to get at with your botch job, nor do I care. But for crying out loud, troll-boy, try to keep up!
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
I'm going to agree
August 20, 2008 - 19:40 ET by Cool ArrowConservatism is a hard knocks journey. Lots of us were liberals when we were young.
I voted for Carter! I got fooled, but he didn't make a fool out of me. Reagan made a conservative of me.
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TheGingerman, A simple
August 20, 2008 - 19:38 ET by hydrodynDMTheGingerman,
A simple question - you say...
But in another post you just said...
Um, does that count as a "baseless" attack on an entire generation of parents? You know, calling all of them all "lazy"? Would that count as an "assumption"?
No hydro not at all. It's
August 20, 2008 - 20:24 ET by TheGingermanNo hydro not at all. It's not baseless, just true.
If you spanked your children, it was b/c you were too lazy to figure out a more constructive and less destructive way to get your point across.
Hitting your own child? Yeah, that's great.
TheGingerman, It's not
August 20, 2008 - 20:38 ET by hydrodynDMTheGingerman,
Well, how can one argue with that? From now us, just let us know which of your statements are true so we all know which ones we shouldn't expect you to back up with,... well, you know,... an actual argument.
By the way, are all the child psychologists who suggest that reasonable physical discipline can be an effective method for raising children lazy as well or just stupid?
Oh, but wait - you mean there might be parents out there who spank their kids because they think it's an effective means of imposing discipline and not because they are lazy and too stupid to approach the problem from another angle?
Gee - guess your initial generalization did amount to an assumption.
Hydro, where are those
August 20, 2008 - 20:41 ET by TheGingermanHydro, where are those child psychologists?
Hitting your own child is a disturbed behavior and simply the result of getting hit yourself as a child.
It's a sad state of affairs when you have to hit someone you love.
TheGingerman, You're
August 20, 2008 - 20:56 ET by hydrodynDMTheGingerman,
You're honestly going to deny the fact that there are professional psychologists who see merit in discipline through spanking?
That's going to be your angle? Really?
You better think on that before you put that out there as one of your "facts".
By the way...
Yea, that counts as an assumption about people you don't know.
The only time I spank...
August 27, 2008 - 13:08 ET byGinger,
...is when she asks me to. Of course, what consenting adults do in the privacy of their hotel room is between themselves (and possibly the people listening in the next room).Don't know much about kids...I always used precautionary methods before the fun begins.
Ubercon
Are you intellectually
August 20, 2008 - 20:23 ET by fitzfongAre you intellectually deficient or just dishonest? I did NOT attack "some 22 year old for trying to get his education". I pointed out that said 22-year-old was using his/her status as a college student to trumpet his/her non-existent superiority.
How exactly are you paying for his education? Like it or not, college is a major advantage in the job hunt these days. Not having a college degree severely limits one's options.
Let's address your question first. How are we paying for his education? Hmmm...How about the countless government grant programs? The State University system? Last I checked, we paid taxes to subsidize these programs. Did I mention the additional interest we have to pay to secure financing so that we can offset the loss caused by delinquent debtors? College may be a "major advantage" to job hunters...but it is neither a guarantee of employment nor a prerequisite for it. Nor is it a God-given right. If you want to pursue a college degree, it is your responsibility to do so...not mine to fund your pursuit. Need I regurgitate the litany of successful people who didn't need to complete college to get somewhere in life? To the extent that some companies screen out candidates who lack a Bachelors degree, this typically speaks to the risk aversion of some in Human Resources and middle management. But a formal education will never be a substitute for actual talent...hiring managers worth their salt can and do make that distinction.
But hey, your attitude is great. The world needs ditchdiggers too.
Why am I indulging someone who needs to borrow a quote from Caddyshack because he lacks the ability to articulate an original thought?
Call me crazy, but I'd rather have a degree and get a salary then work for an hourly wage. I like the security, what can I say.
Wouldn't we all? And if you put your mind to it, you might actually get that degree and salary. But it's not our responsibility to make sure you get it. You're not entitled to the security you say you like...if you can't secure it on your own, that's YOUR FAULT and YOUR PROBLEM.
I take it from your animosity you never went to college? That's fine, but sheesh, it's absurd to launch baseless attacks against someone you don't even know. Amazing use of assumption.
While we're on the subject of baseless attacks and misplaced assumptions, I have a Bachelors degree in English and an MBA. While I am proud to have earned those degrees, I am also well aware of the fact that I cannot rest on those accomplishments. Since I wish to remain relevant to existing and future clients/employers, I continue to improve upon my current skills and acquire new ones...that's how you ensure employment security.
And by the way, if I need class and etiquette lessons, surely you're in no position to teach them to me.
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Fong, why would he be in
August 20, 2008 - 20:27 ET by TheGingermanFong, why would he be in 40,000 dollars of debt if he received a government grant? That doesn't make any sense. Your entire argument is predicated on a falsehood and misunderstanding.
I have the utmost respect for someone that takes on debt to further their education. It's shows drive and motivation.
falsehood and misunderstanding
August 20, 2008 - 20:35 ET by candanceUm yeah. My husband is in debt close to 40K for college even after pell grants and scholarships. Please try again.
Oh, I see. I wasn't aware
August 20, 2008 - 20:43 ET by fitzfongOh, I see. I wasn't aware that a government grant funds someone's entire college education...especially when the universities typically use increases to federal grant programs as invitations to raise their tuition rates. If government grants on their own are insufficient to pay full tuition, the student has to find other revenue sources to fund the difference between the tuition/room & board/fees/books and the grant. At that point, said student may see fit to borrow, say, $40,000 to pay for the remainder of his/her short-term obligation. Your entire "argument" is predicated on an ignorance of or indiffence to finance.
It's quite precious that you claim to have the "utmost respect for someone who takes on debt to further their education". The real indicator of someone's drive and motivation is not in his/her willingness to borrow the money to fund the pursuit...but in his/her commitment to pay it back.
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
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Wow
August 21, 2008 - 01:07 ET by kornissues22Wow, so let's count it. First you question my intelligence. Then you call me names ("parasite" & "slob") and then accuse me of throwing out my "college education?" What a swell guy you must be.
I'm sorry, but Fong, did you even read the post I was replying to? My "college and 22 y/o" was a response to the previous post about demographics who would watch Maddow's show. So no, I am not implying anything about my college education other then letting people know what demographics I belong to.
And lastly, what "countless gov't grant programs?" Oh you mean Pell Grant and Cal Grant (because I live in CA). Wow, thank you so much. They are just about enough to pay for my books and housing. The debt, just so you know, is for my tuition and housing. And why the hell would I have debt if I had my dad's money?!?! I'm sorry but that's just a dumb remark. And the California university system actually gets most it's funding from private corporations. So thank you Qualcomm, f- you Mr. Fong. Don't need your money.
And for your information, most people attending medical school comes out with 100K debt. Those damn doctors and their parasitic lifestyle. Why can't everyone afford a college education without government help and maintain the status quo. Damn me for my need to better myself, become a useful member of society, and become the "parasite" I am destined to be.
korn
August 21, 2008 - 01:27 ET by Cool ArrowI didn't think there was enough in your link to label you a parasite either.
Good response.
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First of all, you act as if
August 21, 2008 - 09:54 ET by fitzfongFirst of all, you act as if you mentioned the 22-years-old-and-proud-to-be-in-the-demo-to-watch-Rachel-Maddow line in isolation. Had that been the case, the comment would have been fine. But your snide little "65 and dead" comment (not to mention other comments throughout the thread of similarly smug ignorance) suggests that you're not as intelligent as you think you are and that you feel the need to use your status as a college student to appear morally superior. Sorry, but I'm not about to indulge your fragile little ego. Now to address some of your other retorts...
And lastly, what "countless gov't grant programs?" Oh you mean Pell Grant and Cal Grant (because I live in CA). Wow, thank you so much. They are just about enough to pay for my books and housing. The debt, just so you know, is for my tuition and housing. And why the hell would I have debt if I had my dad's money?!?! I'm sorry but that's just a dumb remark. And the California university system actually gets most it's funding from private corporations. So thank you Qualcomm, f- you Mr. Fong. Don't need your money.
So, you've taken on $40,000 in debt to help fund your education. Do you want a cookie? We all take on a certain amount of personal risk and hardship in the hopes of bettering ourselves...the great thing about this country is that we have the opportunity to seek alternative solutions to fulfill our dreams and desires. You're not that special. But it's interesting to know how "grateful" you are to the American taxpayer for helping to fund your education. I'm so sorry that my efforts and the labors of other American workers are only sufficient to pay for your books and housing. Perhaps collectively we're not working hard enough for you? Maybe if we stopped over-burdening ourselves with the well-being of our own families, we would submit to more taxes so that we can take care of your tuition and fraternity dues, as well? I never mentioned your dad's money, so your question on that issue is a non sequitur. To the extent that private corporations take it upon themselves to subsidize your education...congratulations to them. But your suggestion that you don't need my money is laughable. Tell me, genius, why is it that tuition at a public university is less than tuition at a private institution? Could it have anything to do with the fact that the American taxpayer partially offsets the cost of State University tuition through taxes? I'll remember that you don't need my money the next time I have to go to the county to pay property taxes. Oh, and lets not forget the aforementioned government grants you receive to pay for your books and housing. In short you don't need my money because you already have my money. No thanks necessary.
And for your information, most people attending medical school comes out with 100K debt. Those damn doctors and their parasitic lifestyle. Why can't everyone afford a college education without government help and maintain the status quo. Damn me for my need to better myself, become a useful member of society, and become the "parasite" I am destined to be.
I don't doubt that students often emerge from medical school with triple digit debt. And I don't imagine it helps their financial situations that they have to pay such high malpractice insurance premiums...courtesy of their parasitic trial lawyer friends. The barriers to entry to the medical profession are prohibitively high...and in a way, that's not a bad thing. If you know ahead of time the kind of commitment you're going to have to make to become a doctor...and you still decide to pursue that line of work knowing the hurdles...that speaks well of your desire to succeed in that profession. If, however, you see these barriers to entry and determine that it is the American taxpayer's responsibility to get you where you want to be...well, if the parasite shoe fits...
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
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Oh, come on...
August 20, 2008 - 16:44 ET by AnotherMikeYou're really making fun of someone for having or pursuing a college degree??
I would imagine if you make at least a living wage, your boss has a degree... Try making fun of them for it and see where it gets you.
Ok, now go ahead and talk about how you're self employed and don't answer to a boss, of course.
You didn't get the point
August 20, 2008 - 17:03 ET by bigtimerYou didn't get the point did ya Mike?
...anybody with a brain that is in proper working order wouldn't be watching the likes of Maddow to learn anything close to the truth.....
Propaganda yes...but heck, plenty of college professors are good at indoctrinating that for all the $$$ they can.
Ah yes....truth to power will set you free!
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
You're really making fun of
August 20, 2008 - 19:05 ET by fitzfongYou're really making fun of someone for having or pursuing a college degree??
No, I'm making fun of someone who obviously believes his/her pursuit of a college degree makes him/her morally superior to, and more intelligent than, others. It doesn't. A college degree is neither a prerequisite to, nor a substitute for, actual intelligence. That you would contort my statement to suggest that I was making fun of someone for having or pursuing a college degree suggests either blatant dishonesty or a lack of intelligence on your part. Nice try.
I would imagine if you make at least a living wage, your boss has a degree... Try making fun of them for it and see where it gets you.
A "living wage"? Aren't you late for the neo-Marxist rally, Comrade? But please, indulge me. What is AnotherMike's definition of a "living wage"? Here's a tip: the term "living wage" is what is known as a "talking point". Liberals use talking points (also known as empty cliches, platitudes, etc.) as populist rhetorical bromides to prevent themselves from appearing like they haven't a clue what they're talking about. The lesser intelligent among the populace might fall for that stunt; however, very few on this site will. F for execution, but A for effort, Sparky. As an aside, I don't know whether or not any of my employers had/have degrees, their application and competence were of more relevance to their employment than their educational backgrounds would have been. Your stated assumption is yet another non sequitur.
Ok, now go ahead and talk about how you're self employed and don't answer to a boss, of course.
As a matter of fact, I am self-employed. I answer to my clients. And since I am self-employed, I'm one of those guys who create the jobs that college graduates pursue. By the way, I have a Masters degree. That degree does not make me smarter than you...my intellect makes me smarter than you.
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
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40,000 in debt? Thats less
August 20, 2008 - 11:24 ET by bassndude40,000 in debt? Thats less than I paid for my truck. About what I paid for my boat. 40,000 in debt aint nutin.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Hey Bass...
August 20, 2008 - 18:22 ET by RukusHey Bass,
Where do you live? If it's anywhere in the area of the Gulf Coast then let's go fishin'! I haven't been in years and I live on the Gulf Coast! Sounds like you have a nice Bassboat. I miss fishing. : ( I used to go a lot when I was younger and miss it a lot. I'll buy the sausage bicuits! Good post! Did I mention I miss fishing??
"Nuke 'em 'til they... oh hell, just shoot 'em!"
How humiliating must it be
August 20, 2008 - 00:49 ET by fitzfongHow humiliating must it be for Dan "Squirrel Rug" Abrams to get fired by MSDNC again...this time to be replaced by a host from DeadAir Amerika? How bad must his ratings have been?
And he thought he could make a name for himself by taking lame, blustery cheap shots at Rush Limbaugh. Well, he did...his name is Mud. Squished him like a bug. In the immortal words of Nelson Muntz...HA! HA!
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
fitzfong.blogspot.com
Poor Little Dan Abrams
August 20, 2008 - 01:01 ET by Captain KirockHow many shows of his have been cancelled/reformatted in the last 18 months? Three?
Life is so unfair. Little Dan's shows keep getting cancelled yet Karl Rove is not sitting in the basement jail at the Capitol yet. Oh the humanity!
Yeah, it's gotta hurt
August 20, 2008 - 01:07 ET by Cool ArrowSpecially since Olbermann seems untouchable.
Fmr. President Clinton called Abrams and told him "better put some ice on that".
I ♣ my seal
5) Yes, you had something
August 20, 2008 - 03:20 ET by scotth5) Yes, you had something to do with it.
LOL, now the Kos kids are in control of MSNBC. lol. Morons.
With numbers like these..
August 20, 2008 - 06:39 ET by Red JeepAccording to tvnewser.com the number of Olbermann’s viewers Monday August 18, 1,124,000. Not even 1% of the country watch the show of the network’s most popular host, Keith Olbermann
GE stockholders ought to demand that this money loser, MSNBC, be turned off.
O'Reilly's Ratings
August 20, 2008 - 10:14 ET by kornissues22Well according to tvnewser (http://www.mediabist...) the number of O'Reilly viewers on Friday August 15 was 1,906,000, which according to my math is 0.635% of the country watching the most popular cable program.
Maybe next time before you make such a stupid comment you should try to be a little "fair and balanced."
As for MSNBC, they are making a great business move. With Olbermann leading in for Maddow, maybe her show will keep most of Keith's viewers, and maybe add some viewers herself. And at least Rachel Maddow is open about being a liberal. What the hell is O'Reilly again?!?! Oh right independent and "fair." Hilarious.
Why would she do any better than Little Dan?
August 20, 2008 - 11:35 ET by Captain KirockMaddow's show will not make it. It will tread water until the election, then be quietly shelved after the November sweeps. Probably replaced by "San Qunetin: Lockup!" or some other voyeuristic crap.
Maddow does not have the tv experience to carry a show every day. Sometimes when she filled in for KO, she looked like a nervous rabbit.
Also, I think there is a chance Maddow will have guests on her show that actually argue with her, instead of nodding their heads in agreement with her. Left wing wackos do not like debate. They've already made up their minds on everything and only want to hear from hosts/guests who reassure their world view, not challenge it. That's why KO's show is the most popular show on MSNBC.
CK, I'll go out on a limb
August 20, 2008 - 18:19 ET by BlazerCK, I'll go out on a limb and say K.O.'s show wont' make it either after the election. Its only gone on this long because of a Bush 2nd term and Keith whoring himself out to the nutroots.
With a McCain 1st term the moonbats that tune into that show will realise that no amount of Keith worship, or the hperbole and lies he puts forth, will get them out of moms basement , or a Democrat elected.
Anyways I predict, come Nov., Keiths head will mostly explode, live on national television sending a deluge of cobwebs and dust toward the television camera.
If it doesn't his viewership will most likely sharply decline due to his viewers going into an asylum, rehab, accidental overdose or suicide.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Totally agree Blazer
August 20, 2008 - 19:13 ET by Captain KirockThe KO Kid will melt down, just as he did at ESPN and just as he did in LA when he was a local sports anchor.
The KO meltdown is not a matter of if, but when.
kornissues...
August 21, 2008 - 06:43 ET by Red JeepYou are right. None of these cable news networks, CNN MSNBC or FOX has any viewers to speak of. Maybe they are all rich corporation’s TV editorial pages. All 3 should be placed in the 100+ region of the TV channel dial so that if people want to watch they can pay extra to their cable provider for them. Perhaps if that happen it would even be a more accurate gauge of their viewership, and would not force basic cable service to carry what people don’t watch.
I'll
August 20, 2008 - 08:25 ET by cvgbuckeyeI'll apologize for the apparent lack of respect. I'm sure that "dude" is not appropriate; Mr. Maddow is more appropriate.
Sorry.
At the risk of demonstrating same apparent lack of respect ...
August 20, 2008 - 08:50 ET by... I can't help but wonder if this is a bad programming move for MSNBC, putting Maddow's show right after that of another outspoken leftist lesbian
Olbermann must be worried.
August 20, 2008 - 09:58 ET by Jack BauerOlbermann must be worried. Another host who looks (and acts) more manly than him.
I Love how Scared You Conservatives Are
August 20, 2008 - 10:27 ET by kornissues22OMG can you guys be more hilarious. Keep up with your stupid little gay/manly/sissy jokes about all the liberals you want. The world is changing and you conservatives can cling to your guns and bibles and Foxnews. Thank god for Bush for destroying conservatism and the Republican party for decades to come. And guess what, Rachel Maddow is smart and funny and will have a great show.
Don't
August 20, 2008 - 10:34 ET by cvgbuckeyeDon't categorize me as "scared" you little 22 year old wimp! I served in The United States Marine Corps so your sorry little backside would have the freedom to be as stupid and mouthy as you are and to be able to spell God with a lower case g.
Also for someone like you to be able to borrow $40,000 you probably had to have mommy and daddy sign for you. Do you still have your little room at home honey?
Dude
August 21, 2008 - 01:37 ET by kornissues22If I have $40,000 in debt, why the hell would I have my parents to sign for me. Why wouldn't they just pay off my debts.
Just because you are a marine does not make you better than me. Maybe you should be reserving your comment to all the whiny "wimps" that are all over this site.
Thank you for being a Marine to have your conservative politicians in washington block the GI Bill. Thank Bush for sending marines into Iraq & Afghanistan without the proper equipment. Thank you conservatives for the $3 trillion war (makes my 40k look wimpy). Thank ggggggod for the 1st amendment.
korn
August 21, 2008 - 01:55 ET by Cool ArrowAre you attending Medical School?
This is the last place I'd be if I was attending Med School.
I ♣ my seal
Yes
August 21, 2008 - 10:31 ET by cvgbuckeyeYes but being a Marine or a garbage collector, either one, would make me better than you, sonny.
I would love to have your little wimpy tail at Parris Island but you'd have to come out from behind mommy's skirt first. Never will happen.
You don't know jack about any G I Bill backing or you wouldn't open your little pie hole about it.
Further, you know NOTHING about either Afghanistan or Iraq or the military except what your little commie profs and campus know nothing little buddies told you.
How much tax have you ever paid toward the 3 trillion.
Thank God for the 2nd amendment.
Now you can go back and hide behind mommy and daddy now. That's with lower case m and d since they obviously know nothing about raising a little boy into a man but they are pretty good at allowing him to become a cute little girl.
Just because you are a
August 22, 2008 - 04:43 ET by Jack BauerI beg to differ, in your case. But fret not, I'm sure your mommy and daddy still love you and still think you are better than all the other wittle boys.
Good grief Mowgli -- got
August 20, 2008 - 11:46 ET by Jack BauerGood grief Mowgli -- got any more yawn inducing sophomoric cliches you'd care to share.
Talk about un-nuanced thinking.
korn, I just have this to
August 20, 2008 - 18:24 ET by Blazerkorn, I just have this to say. Most people are born liberal, and are that way right up until they get their first job, and start a family. If liberalism persists after that imho, it probably should be classified as a mental illness.
At any rate have fun while dad's still sending money.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
If you young people
August 20, 2008 - 10:51 ET by Susan IIf you young people only knew as much as you think you did! It only makes sense that people like you would follow someone like Obama.
Rachel Maddow is extreme left, and very hateful, as if Olberman, & Matthews. So the line up for the evening is extreme left with no objective view "heard" from the right. Because if they happen to have (very rare) someone from the right on, they talk over them, belittle them, and yell at them.
So now you haters have a place to cozy up at night, and listen to all the hate and lies brought on by the extreme left.
You need to grow up and listen to other views. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Susan
August 20, 2008 - 11:03 ET by BlondeYears ago I had a friend who was a marriage & family therapist, specializing in wayward teens.
She used to have a sign on her door...."Teenagers, leave home now while you still know everything".
Of course they're "for" Obama...he's a rock star, didn't you know? But when it comes time for the rubber to hit the road (i.e. go vote)...they'll stay away like they always do. All talk, no action.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde, I had a T-shirt
August 20, 2008 - 11:10 ET by bassndudeBlonde, I had a T-shirt with that teenager saying on it. All 6 kids were still at home and 5 of them where teenagers, from 12 to 18. BTW, one set is twins.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Is she man enough?
August 20, 2008 - 13:02 ET by Lee BoggsShe looks masculine....now MSNBC will have two manly looking women...the other is Keith Olberman.
Rachael is
August 20, 2008 - 14:19 ET by mrbillShe has just a twinge of Lesbian showing up.
Where doooo they get those haircuts....?
She has just a twinge of
August 20, 2008 - 21:20 ET by motherbeltShe has just a twinge of Lesbian showing up.
Not just a "twinge"....she is a Lesbian. She lives with her "partner" Susan Mikula.
Same Old, Same Old
August 20, 2008 - 15:54 ET by CellaWell, another-anchor-without-a-clue at MSNBC - and not a pretty sight, at that.
These media darlings give me the yips.
All I have to say Rachel is
August 20, 2008 - 18:28 ET by BlazerAll I have to say Rachel is with that nose, James Evans would be envious. One too many lesbian barfights maybe?
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Rachel Maddow
August 20, 2008 - 20:52 ET by mswsocialworkI think she's wonderful! God bless Her! I love the way she speaks truth to power.
Fantastic.
Oi!
August 20, 2008 - 20:58 ET by BlondeSomeone close the lib door, please.
They're getting kinda pesky in here.
Truth to power? Oh, gee. That just impresses the hell out of me. I'm sold on Rachel, really!!!!!
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
let's bounce Blonde
August 20, 2008 - 21:00 ET by candanceDon't even bother feeding this troll. Lost cause.
I suppose, candance
August 20, 2008 - 21:04 ET by BlondeBut this one seems kind of naive and sincere.
Okay....with you on this one, cd.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Oh, yes, the tired
August 20, 2008 - 21:03 ET by fitzfongOh, yes, the tired "speaking truth to power" cliche. Never has a phrase uttered so often meant so little. Besides, don't you think the expression lost a little bit of its bite when its chief user, Dan Rather got caught being such a dishonest douche?
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
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fitz, and don't forget "Power to the People!"
August 20, 2008 - 21:15 ET by R D HelmI always found that one particularly annoying, as the people who are unfortunate to have to live under a Marxist regime have no power.
-Dave.
Vote None of the Above in '08!
listen closely Dave
August 20, 2008 - 21:23 ET by candanceIt's all true, just incomplete. The real quote is "power to the people......in charge."
candance, lol-I guess I missed that last part.
August 21, 2008 - 21:41 ET by R D Helm-Dave.
Vote None of the Above in '08!
Oh, great. Its that taxpayer-hosing social-worker again.
August 20, 2008 - 21:16 ET by R D HelmGuess you finally got enough of a bump in your hourly wage that you could afford to crank up your dial-up internet account again.
Don'cha jezz luv that AOL?
-Dave.
Vote None of the Above in '08!
"I think she's wonderful!
August 20, 2008 - 21:22 ET by Blazer"I think she's wonderful! God bless Her! I love the way she speaks truth to power."
Blech ! Puleeze . "Truth to power" to a liberal is like saying:
" job to basement".
mswsocialwork?
Translation: I try and convince liberals everyday they are worth $200 in foodstamps, not $ 100 and they should just go for it and get that extra pound of government cheese too !
Hey they're payin' for it, you eat it.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Being called
August 27, 2008 - 08:52 ET by afuela racist by Oberfurher or any of the MSNBC gang may actually be a compliment.
Consider who's doing the name calling and the agenda.
Don't see MSNBC being around post elections.