Although the hatred for conservative media members by leftists in this nation knows no bounds, a new "song" by the rap group East Coast Avengers represents a new low in vitriolic musical expression.
Entitled "Kill Bill O'Reilly," the piece actually advocates the murder of "The Factor" host, as well as a similar fate for Michelle Malkin.
Included in the number are recordings of media members such as Keith Olbermann making disparaging remarks about O'Reilly, as well as a couple of lyrics that seem to suggest the authors of this filth read the leftwing website Media Matters which coincidentally spends a great deal of time transcribing the Fox star's words.
As this is some really vile detritus, full lyrics come below the fold, and readers are highly cautioned to enter at their own risk (audio available here, h/t Hot Air):
(chorus)
i wipe the dirt from my hands as i walk from your grave
those ain't facts those are lies in the statements you made so
we gotta get em get em we gotta chill em chill em
we gotta dead em dead em we gotta kill em kill em
(verse 1- esoteric)
you don't believe homeless vets exist,
you put a spin on everything like the exorcist,
you're a lying coward, lost soul,
most statements you make are not so
that's how chickenhawks roll,
i find the fact that you a fox news asshole,
ironic cuz you never been in no foxhole,
i hope that you rot slow
you and your talk show, no spin zone that's a vertical inferno
fire and brimstone, we seeing all your neo-con bullshit
f**k a press room you want the pres at a pulpit
i cringe at your right wing lunatic fringe
no elegant speech just sheltered beliefs
hate dominates like the celts in the east
michelle malkin wants to snitch like you tellin' police
she oughtta be, shot, they gotta be, stopped
infrared for bill o'reilly's head that's a key spot
i'm not a violent man but actually your blasphemy is badgerin me'
to blast you for your factual inaccuracy
naturally, media matters to me
so we gotta shut down fox news, that's way it has to be
Stop the tape: media matters? Just a coincidence. As you'll see in an upcoming verse, maybe not:
(chorus)
i wipe the dirt from my hands as i walk from your grave
those ain't facts those are lies in the statements you made so
we gotta get em get em we gotta chill em chill em
we gotta dead em dead em we gotta kill em kill em
(verse 2- trademarc)
dear bill, I’d like you to getcha mouth off
that conservative cock long enough to sit and talk
it out, scratch that, let’s backtrack I’ll stalk ya house knock u out drag out gag ya mouth dog it’s out, I wanna hurt you immerse you in torture
F**k make fun of you with punchlines
I’d rather kill ya family in front of you by lunchtime a one line execution in sunshine, Its crunchtime, let’s take it to the frontlines
Bless the union of marriage?
Oh that’s classic, d**k in your in your hand making phone calls to andrea mackris you got it backwards, phone sex leading to threats to get her flat up on ya mattress is as sick as the list adjectives put upon ya favorite actresses in your book, no spins so grim, you borderline rapist, sexist, racist makeshift talking head celebrity that needs a facelift
(chorus)
i wipe the dirt from my hands as i walk from your grave
those ain't facts those are lies in the statements you made so
we gotta get em get em we gotta chill em chill em
we gotta dead em dead em we gotta kill em kill em
(verse 3- esoteric)
i transcribed all your lies til my thumb was soreFirst a reference to "media matters," and then one to transcribing O'Reilly's words? Just a coincidence, or might these folks spend time at Media Matters?
separated all your letters like an underscore
i'm in your driveway like "billo what you runnin for?"
you want beef but you'd never send your son to war
that's my favorite reason but i got a hundred more
you're a, political prostitute a money whore
your ass is upper class frontin like you come from poor
backgrounds you need to get smacked down with guns galore
(verse 3- trademarc)
or something more hardcore slasher flick bashed to bits, scattered ya chitter chatter is littered with little that matters
you mad hatter blabbering on, I’m dead pan,
steady handed kill you on a web cam, body battered til I got red hands, and leave a trail of dead fans,
that’s a youtube number one download
dump you at the end of your towns road
or hang you like Benito Mussolini if the ground’s cold
(chorus)
i wipe the dirt from my hands as i walk from your grave
those ain't facts those are lies in the statements you made so
we gotta get em get em we gotta chill em chill em
we gotta dead em dead em we gotta kill em kill em
(verse 4/outro esoteric)
you’re the worst person on the planet credit yourself
you mutilated Malmedy, then you edit yourself
your lawsuit proves it man, you read it yourself
you’re a sick man, you’re better off deadin yourself
pan left, maximum carnage like grand theft
pan right, see the mic thru the antichrist’s chest
o’reilly gets a shankin, he’s a liar, falsifier and I’m a wolf out for his blood til he retires
All of the people in the media -- including the good folks at MSNBC -- that have helped develop this threesome's hatred for conservative journalists should be very proud of themselves.
Take a bow, Keith.
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.
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Will Obama Apoligize?
August 15, 2008 - 00:04 ET by BlondeOr condemn it?
Hmmm...inquiring minds want to know.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde, will Obama Apologize?
August 15, 2008 - 00:15 ET by jefflebowskiThat's not the rap that Obama used to know!
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hysterical Jeff - lol
August 15, 2008 - 08:58 ET by Dee Bunkperfect comment
Sure he'll condemn it, as
August 15, 2008 - 06:17 ET by motherbeltSure he'll condemn it, as soon as he finishes dusting his shoulders off
will Rush apologize for the
August 15, 2008 - 11:11 ET by TruthMongerwill Rush apologize for the recent church killings first:(?!
stephie miller et al would like to know
Journalism is the opium of the liberals
who bankrolled this
August 15, 2008 - 00:07 ET by nicksmith112who bankrolled this trash???
I'm a refugee from the Democratic Party.
Don't Know . . .
August 15, 2008 - 02:03 ET by DoktorFranken. . . But when I find out what companies are involved I plan to start a boycott on each and every one. This kind of insanity cannot go without a response. The pocketbook is the best place to hit these slimes.
May God forgive
August 15, 2008 - 00:10 ET by bigtimerMay God forgive them.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
bt... Just one thing...
August 15, 2008 - 01:15 ET by PrairieSkyYou said "May God forgive them"... However, I strongly doubt that the bottom-dwelling slime that wrote, agree with, and listen to this crap, even believe in God. IF, and it's a big if, any of them do have a belief in God, I can't imagine them being even remotely interested in His forgiveness.
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American people. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
"no elegant speech just
August 15, 2008 - 00:42 ET by Jerry"no elegant speech just sheltered beliefs"
"hate dominates like the celts in the east"
Is this a "New Yorker" style parody that we're just not sophisticated enough to "get", or are they really so intellectually handicapped as to not see the absolute hypocricy of these statements?
Noel, you are absolutely correct with your last comment. This is exactly the kind of mindless hate that is fostered by Olberman and his ilk. I fear it's only going to get worse. If Obama happens to lose, I would not be surprised to see a conservative host gunned down in the streets by the open minded, tolerent, peaceful, leftists.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Like Bill would say, "Good
August 15, 2008 - 00:50 ET by FairlightLike Bill would say, "Good Grief. The production is 1993 awful. And what is that -- a Casio doing your beats?"
...or just
August 15, 2008 - 00:54 ET by bigtimer...or just Pinheads...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
just a couple of young
August 15, 2008 - 00:52 ET by nicksmith112just a couple of young misguided African Americans.......ooops my bad....3 middle-aged white guys spreading the words of hate to the gangstas of the world .
I'm a refugee from the Democratic Party.
Tru dat.
August 15, 2008 - 01:48 ET by FairlightTru dat.
Fairlight
August 15, 2008 - 05:38 ET by MOONSTRUCKLOL
Ya feel me, white devil
August 15, 2008 - 07:41 ET by Jack BauerYa feel me, white devil cracka?
Now, these guys are old
August 15, 2008 - 01:06 ET by d1carterNow, these guys are old enough to know better...
liberal tolerance on
August 15, 2008 - 01:07 ET by wiwfliberal tolerance on parade
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Hate and intolerance from the left
August 15, 2008 - 01:41 ET by capitolguyGreat post! If you want to see real liberal intolerance, wait until the Democratic Convention in Denver. I predict nightly riots, far left loons ala 1968. Should make for great prime time viewing. Plus, the whole nation will see in prime time, the hateful, intolerance of the Democratic Party.
I predict nightly riots,
August 15, 2008 - 05:47 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsI predict nightly riots, far left loons ala 1968. Should make for
great prime time viewing. Plus, the whole nation will see in prime
time, the hateful, intolerance of the Democratic Party.
You might see that if you are there, if you expect to see this on the nightly news you will be greatly disappointed. The networks won't show it unless they can blame Bush/Republicans.
D
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Hillary will win nomination! Surprise!
August 15, 2008 - 06:19 ET by Mica the MagnificentThe riots will break out when most of the states announce their nomination for Hillary instead of Obama giving her the win.
Watch for a bombshell about Obama (dropped by the Clintons) a day or two before the convention. This will be all the cover some delegates need to switch to Hillary.
With a six pack next to me, a bowl of pretzels on my lap, I'll be watching the Clintons equivalent of rolling the tanks through the convention.
Riots! Liberal fighting liberal!
Oh, the humanity!
Mica
August 15, 2008 - 06:55 ET by MrShyI live in NYC, and a good friend lives in HOTlanta. We'll both have to stay indoors, with the doors double locked, and windows boarded up.
This could be scary. There'll be a lot more rioting than just in Denver.
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Mr S... whatever you do,
August 15, 2008 - 07:37 ET by Jack BauerMr S... whatever you do, don't hook up outdoor speakers on your building and blast out on a loop "White Riot" by The Clash!
"Cats and Dogs living
August 15, 2008 - 10:52 ET by Eileen Right"Cats and Dogs living together!!!"
Randy Newman
August 15, 2008 - 01:38 ET by timrfrench61I wonder what Randy Newman thinks
Randy Newman
August 15, 2008 - 01:50 ET by Cool ArrowHe'd probably say "I Think It's Gonna Rain Today" or "Mama Told Me Not To Come"
I ♣ my seal
no way
August 15, 2008 - 05:52 ET by mrbnaturaldon't tell me Randy Newman wrote "Mama told me not to come"...I thought Three Dog Night wrote that....harshin' my buzz, dude..... --okay so this O'Reilly song sounds like a more yo homie'd up version of Rage Against the Machine, only these guys aren't as (inadvertently) funny as RATM.
The orginal "Mama told me
August 15, 2008 - 07:11 ET by ricklailThe orginal "Mama told me not to come" was written by Randy Neuman and recorded by Eric Burdon and the Animals, "We gotta get out of this place if it's the last thing we ever do." It was a flop. Three Dog Night made a hit out of it. NEUMAN said their version was better than his.
Be kind to your kids. They'll be choosing your nursing home.
"We gotta get out of this place if it's the last thing we ever d
August 15, 2008 - 21:49 ET by sick_puppy"We gotta get out of this place if it's the last thing we ever do." My memory is not so good lately but it seems this was very well recieved in Nam. It really hit home, if you know what I mean.
Yuppie puppies
August 15, 2008 - 03:55 ET by well99Just some wantabes trying to sound tough.These little girl scouts are typical of the Kos Kid mentality.They wallow in their own hate like pigs in mud.This just shows how leftist think.I hope this gets plenty of air time so the folks of this country will see what the left is about.
Thanks Newsbusters
August 20, 2008 - 22:07 ET by mswsocialworkThank you for turning me on to this band.
They're great!
Ya know, you seem very
August 20, 2008 - 22:40 ET by RESTLESS 1Ya know, you seem very familiar. Hmmm.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
R1, agreed. I think we have seen this troll before.
August 20, 2008 - 22:48 ET by R D HelmLOL-Gee, I sure hope he/she/it doesn't get banned before we get a chance to bat same around a little more. :-)
-Dave.
Vote None of the Above in '08!
shudda
August 20, 2008 - 22:57 ET bynamed itself shuttlecock
"You can not support the Troops if you do not support their Mission"
LEON!!!
August 20, 2008 - 22:51 ET by RESTLESS 1I think I know what happened here. You got banned as Leon, tried to get back in with some water pistol username, got caught, and got banned again.
After this, your mom decided to use the basement as a boudoir and you had to move out. So, you decide to volunteer at the local homeless shelter (thus the social worker screen name) in return for a cot, three squares, and access to the computer. Armed with a new IP address, you have returned to "grace" us with you presence once again.
I see you are still stupid.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
nah restless
August 20, 2008 - 22:56 ET by candanceThis doesn't strike me as Leon.
He was much too proud to let himself appear this childish.
I'm thinking this is one of those fly-by-night trolls who got banned too quickly for us to remember.
I don't know Candance,
August 20, 2008 - 23:01 ET by RESTLESS 1Leon wasn't of the same cloth as Jer, Shawn, or Bal. He was known to throw some grenades, depending on how much he had to drink. ;>)
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
R1, as much as it pains me to say this, Leon was far more...
August 20, 2008 - 23:04 ET by R D Helm...intelligent than this Masters-holding societal leech.
LOL-But at least we are getting warmer.
-Dave.
Vote None of the Above in '08!
Eh, maybe,
August 20, 2008 - 23:10 ET by RESTLESS 1I guess the sleuthing continues.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Wow. I would have thought
August 15, 2008 - 05:54 ET by The Peoples DJWow. I would have thought these "rappers" might be black. But guess what. Their white. From Boston. Myspace Band Losers!!
http://profile.myspa...
7L & Esoteric are their
August 15, 2008 - 06:06 ET by mrbnatural7L & Esoteric are their names...a real yo homie gangsta group wouldn't go for those names, it's too hipster-ish and, as you say, 'yuppie'. Now they remind me of 3rd Bass, minus any modicum of humor, the guy with a shelelagh and Henry Rollins dressed as Vanilla Ice in their music videos.
They are just jealous
August 15, 2008 - 06:01 ET by ROTORHEAD77Because Michelle will not date them. She is way out of their loser league.
O'reilly has his faults, but at least he advocates values. He is pretty center if you ask me. Calling him "right center" is a stretch. These gringos are a bunch of idiots.
Seriously though, what is up with advocating shooting somebody. It seems to me that there might be some kind of criminal charges applicable here.
FLY ARMY!
Liberals are always
August 15, 2008 - 06:16 ET by mostlymoderateLiberals are always advocating the death of those who disagree with them. Nasty bastards.
mostly
August 15, 2008 - 06:45 ET by MrShy... from the ones who are against the death penalty.
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Libs will call it something else
August 15, 2008 - 07:54 ET by Mica the MagnificentIn O'Reilly's case, libs would call it an abortion 60 years after the fact.
Or 'retroactive choice'
Or 'Full birth abortion three score after'
Michelle Malkin
August 15, 2008 - 08:41 ET by GothampcAs Michelle Malkin points out on her blog, she hasn't been on O'Reilly's show in almost a year. (Thanks to Geraldo's idiocy, we lose out on a conservative voice).
Muh dik posers
August 15, 2008 - 08:41 ET by SickofLibsOlbermoron should be so proud of his handiwork - he's finally getting the recognition he deserves and broadening his base to boot - enjoy!
'Shankin'? Like they ever came within a half mile of a shank. I'd like to see these 3 little wannabee jerkoffs survive just one night locked up in prison with their REAL thug-idols.
Peace out.
This crap is okay to liberals but Rush and Hannity incite murder
August 15, 2008 - 09:06 ET by Dee Bunkmost liberals have their head in the sand complaining about legitimate political discourse while being silent and/or condoning of this kind of stuff.
It was only a matter of time before rappers got back at O'Reilly
August 15, 2008 - 09:50 ET by PopularTechWith Bill O'Reilly's idiotic and relentless campaign against rap music while conveniently ignoring actual violent so-called "christian - screamo" "music" (the most disturbing noise I have ever heard) where kids literally punch and kick each other in some churches no less (I know from witnessing this myself) this is not surprising. Bill makes himself look like an out of touch old fool with his relentless anti-rap crusade and a hypocrite for ignoring the "white" music side of the issue. Funny how blacks cannot be "Gansta" but it is ok for Whites to be the Sopranos.
I laugh everytime I hear people over the age of 50 say "That rap music is no-good!"
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PT
August 15, 2008 - 10:01 ET by Noel SheppardPT,
What do you think about people under 50 who say rap music is no good? ns
I'm one of those Noel
August 15, 2008 - 10:42 ET by Dee BunkI have to say I'm completely shocked by Poptech's post -totally unexpected. I've never heard of Christian-screamo music and don't know of any teenager who listens to it.
I actually like some rappish stuff when it's not about cop killing and murdering people. O'reilly and myself are against the gangsta rap not just any rap. There are groups like G. Love, OutKast, Nappy Roots, Slightly Stoopid, Sublime, Beck, Liquid Soul, Pepper and others that incorporate rap without hate. I'm okay with those and O'reilly probably is too.
Parents need to check their kids iPods
August 15, 2008 - 10:50 ET by PopularTechJust like parents should not have a computer in their kid's room, they need to check their kid's iPods more.
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Poptech- I doubt O'Reilly is for criminalization of rap
August 15, 2008 - 10:55 ET by Dee Bunkmusic. I don't know what he's said recently because I don't really follow him, but I would bet that he just advocates labeling and exposing and condemnation by responsible people. Do you know of some statements he's made about criminalizing it?
I never said he wanted to criminalize it
August 15, 2008 - 11:08 ET by PopularTechI said his anti-rap crusade is idiotic. All of our kids problems are that they listen to Ludacris. Please. Maybe it is the parents problems for not knowing how to read parental warning stickers. But how many of these same teenagers watch the Sopranos with their parents? Why is their no outrage over the Sopranos? I guess cheating on your wife and beating people to death is ok when the role model is a white Italian. Give me a break.
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Parents have to pay for HBO and can filter the channel
August 15, 2008 - 11:26 ET by Dee BunkRap music is free on the airwaves.
I don't know of a lot of kids watching the Sopranos. It's not common where I live. If there were some big trend of teens dressing like those characters and whacking people then I'm sure he'd be on a crusade about that show.
Rap Music is "edited" for the air waves
August 15, 2008 - 11:53 ET by PopularTechIf you listen to any rap on radio station over the air waves, you will be hearing some songs "edited" with the offensive words removed. Just like the albums these songs come on have parental warning stickers. Hardly a problem.
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Is the word "kill" edited? Profanity is not the problem
August 15, 2008 - 11:59 ET by Dee Bunkit's the concepts.
Gangsta Rap is the Best
August 15, 2008 - 12:12 ET by PopularTechGangsta Rap is the Best
Because it is so serious!
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Actually the word "kill" is
August 15, 2008 - 12:27 ET by WisdomActually the word "kill" is always edited. Any reference to a gun, even if the reference is to stop using one- will be edited. Any reference to any sort of vice (even when used in a story, such as "my mom used to get high in the kitchen- "high" will be removed) is edited an incredible amount on radio, and MTV and BET. Much more editing than has ever been done on any show on network television. The standards are completely different than with movies or tv shows; or even commercials.. Obviously, the Sopranos are on HBO so there is no censorship, but PopularTech's points are dead-on.
Comparison of Musical Concepts - Where was O'Reilly?
August 15, 2008 - 13:12 ET by PopularTechComparison of Musical Concepts
Where was O'Reilly? Oh the horror!
...I like this song too BTW.
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Pop tech and widsom - I don't understand what your postion is
August 15, 2008 - 16:11 ET by Dee BunkIs it that people don't have a right to complain about lyrics or a gangsta culture that they find offensive? I believe O'Reilly has also complained about Britney Spears and some other females singers effects on young white girls. I believe he's also complained about steroid use in baseball and other bad role models in the NBA. I really don't understand why you guys have a problem with that. No one is trying to outlaw anything.
I'm really surprised that you don't find these lyrics offensive. Shocked really. Just because I like a type of music doesn't mean I'll stick up for outrageous lyrics that call for killing and raping people.
Is the Sopranos culture offensive?
August 15, 2008 - 20:17 ET by PopularTechHypocrite O'Reilly denounces the show on "moral" grounds then admits to watching it. But rap is going to destroy kids. Come on! It is the same as the stupid video game argument. Everything that he and you finds offensive kids do not hear and parents have to willfully ignore parental warning labels to give their kids access too.
First of all I gave no opinion on the lyrics to this song, I was simply making a statement on why this happened. Second you are obsessed with this being "outlawed" when I have never brought this up.
O'Reilly has effectively demonized ALL hip hop / rap whether intentional (I believe so) or not. He has exaggerated the problem and ignored the reality of parental warning labels. You now have ignorant people thinking all hip hop / rap is about killing or raping people. He has also ignored "white" music which talks about suicide and self mutilation.
All these hypocrites idolize the mafia culture but denounce it when it comes in a "black" form AKA "gangsta".
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Freedom of Speech
August 15, 2008 - 22:25 ET by PopularTechYou have every right to complain about whatever you see fit, that has nothing to do with what I am talking about. Nor is this some call for political correctness. I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy of claiming moral authority while supporting "immoral" behavior (Sopranos) with excuses.
The whole anti-gangsta "culture war" is fed by people who have been chomping at the bit to go after a music genre they do not like and then painting it with this broad brush. I do applaud O'Reilly for bringing offensive lyrics to parent's attention but it is hard to not see the one sided bias. Exposing any and all violations of FCC rules or parental warnings on music, videos or video games is a good thing IMO.
It is a slippery slope once we start blaming the words of others for our behavior or how we parent our kids.
Personally I find these lyrics stupid and designed to bring media exposure to the band via the shocking content. In no way do I believe this to be a literal threat on O'Reilly's life.
People who complain about lyrics like "pimps n' hoes" fail to see the intended context, which is largely slang or tongue in cheek.
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PT, we agree
August 15, 2008 - 20:20 ET by balboaPT, we agree again...creepy.
Wow Balboa
August 21, 2008 - 19:14 ET by well99I agree with you and PT.Must be a full moon tonight.Parents bring kids in this world and it is their responsibility.They need to quit being friends and be parents.If you have a problem with certain music or shows say no then enforce it.You can buy belts at Wal-Mart for a low price.
I still laugh
August 15, 2008 - 10:47 ET by PopularTechBut I find it much more humorous when older people like O'Reilly (who obviously never listened it much) say it. It makes the whole "war on rap" so much more ridiculous.
I know parents who will not let their kids listen to the evil rap music but the "Christian - Screamo" is ok because the word "Christian" is in the name. Even better they let them listen to the "white" rapper M&M (intentional) - way too funny. Some people are really naive.
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Pop tech - what are some of the offensive lyrics
August 15, 2008 - 10:49 ET by Dee Bunkin this Christian Screamo - Do you have any examples? I'm completely unfamiliar with the genre. I don't care to listen and I'm not at a computer with sound right now. I just want to know what the offensive lyrics are if you know of any. Thanks.
Forget the lyrics for a minute did you listen to it?
August 15, 2008 - 11:11 ET by PopularTechNow tell me how a parent is supposed to tell the difference between that and Death Metal? Good Luck!
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I don't have sound right now - but it's the lyrics that matter
August 15, 2008 - 11:17 ET by Dee Bunknot the sound.
Again the point
August 15, 2008 - 11:43 ET by PopularTechParents cannot even understand the lyrics or tell "screamo" song genres apart.
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No bigotry here.
August 15, 2008 - 10:35 ET by KarmaPersonaly, I think all crap music, black or white, sucks. But that's just me.
don't be hatin
August 15, 2008 - 11:44 ET by PopularTechdon't be hatin
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Frankly, Barney is one
August 15, 2008 - 12:11 ET by KarmaFrankly, Barney is one cold-blooded dino-dude. That or I couldn't understand the lyrics as usual. Either way, that's why I don't like crap music. :-)
How can you not like Hip Hop / Rap Music?
August 15, 2008 - 12:39 ET by PopularTechHow can you not like Hip Hop / Rap Music?
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Heck, even John Kerry likes
August 16, 2008 - 09:02 ET by winston smithHeck, even John Kerry likes rap music. At least he says so. Why, he's probably home right now with is Timbaland CDs playin', hip-hoppin' all around the master bedroom, Theresa Heinz booty shakin'. He def!
Winston
August 16, 2008 - 09:18 ET by MrShySave us, please. Must we have that image in our heads?
That guy can barely move his limbs, or even his jaw.... guy's about as limber as a lead pipe.
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Even Tim McGraw went Gangsta!
August 16, 2008 - 02:33 ET by PopularTechEven Tim McGraw went Gangsta!
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Actually
August 16, 2008 - 06:33 ET by well99That sounded more like hip hop and their is a difference between rap and gangster rap.
exactly well - there is a big difference gansta rap lyrics are
August 16, 2008 - 07:21 ET by Dee Bunkwhat people complain about. I can't believe people defend calling for killing and raping people.
Gansta Rap is already defended it does not need me.
August 16, 2008 - 09:20 ET by PopularTechI'm not defending it because it already is. Like I said I think these lyrics are stupid but my point is the implication and the hypocrisy!
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again you are defending hip hop and rap which are not being
August 16, 2008 - 09:30 ET by Dee Bunkattacked - it's gansta rap lyrics that call for killing and raping people. I already told you I don't like The Sopranos and can't understand why anyone would. Many Italian Americans are offended by the Sopranos and have spoken out against it. I complain about Sopranos, I complain about gansta rap when it calls for killing and raping (otherwise I don't care). I don't care about the sex or the drugs or the language, only killing and raping. The real hypocrisy comes from the left when terms like "pimp" "ho" and "Nappy headed ho" become part of pop culture that they approve of but then use it against a white person for purely political reasons. That is an hypocrisy that matters. Defending these lyrics that call for killing and raping or making excuses for them by using other bad behavior examples makes no sense to me.
I never said that these lyrics instituted a personal threat to O'Reilly and Malkin from these goofballs. It's their mindless followers that pose the actual violent threat. Both O'Reilly and Malkin have received many death threats.
I am not defending anything
August 16, 2008 - 10:38 ET by PopularTechI have made various points. Such as this sort of thing was only a matter of time with O'Reilly ect...
Bill's hypocrisy is he never goes after any white music with lyrics just as bad. People are not stupid.
The offense generated by white's using the same slang is because the black community interprets it literally just like everyone is interpreting this song literally against O'Reilly. It works both ways. And I am well aware that much of this makes no sense to many people - especially those who have never listened the genre. Do I listen to songs with these type of lyrics? Nope - do I find them shocking? Not at all. I find it a result of a relentless and idiotic attack publicly by Bill O'Reilly on a musical genre because he thinks it to be no good. Sure he can hide behind - he just doesn't like "Gansta Rap" but that is absolute BS and no one is buying it. Music to much of the black community is their only public outlet of emotion, right or wrong and you will simply be attacked back emotionally. The black community will NEVER listen to Bill O'Reilly about their music. It is better to let people like Bill Cosby handle this part of the debate and focus on statistical facts like the low marriage rate, which people will listen to. Bill O'Reilly is laughed at and mocked because he has no statistics or facts to back up his "gansta" rap attacks. Outside of using words he finds offensive that he takes in a literal context there is no scientific coorelated evidence to harmful action.
This doesn't stop Bill, he sure gets many viewers who chime in - "that rap music is no good!" but it is all subjective and never coorelated. You then help drive a wedge between white and black communities and younger and older generations. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Don't get me wrong a case can be made for a low intelligence level among many musicians but that can only be rectified by education and by backing up your position with facts.
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My point is that O'reilly complaining about the music
August 16, 2008 - 10:59 ET by Dee Bunkdoesn't justify talk about killing him. I hardly ever watch O'Reilly anymore so I don't know what he's said recently that has you so up in arms but what ever it is I doubt it justifies these lyrics. I didn't like the gangsta rap lyrics before I ever heard of O'Reilly and I used to lump them all together. I don't know if it was O'reilly or who it was or just the popularity of regular hip hop and rap that made me realize there was a difference. As I said, I like some of it. I think most people including O'Reilly know there is a difference. Gangsta rap is not only listened to by Black people, it's very popular among whites also. My niece and Nephew are into it. Just because black people won't listen to him doesn't mean he can't complain.
I know I've heard O'reilly complain about Kid Rock before and he's a white rapper and he's also complained about Marilyn Manson and Brittney Spears and white baseball players and steroids and many other social ills glorified by white people so I really don't understand your racist implications. You seem to be hung up on the fact that he says he watches the Sopranos. Watching or listening to and defending are different things. We all like something that isn't good for us but that doesn't mean we have to advocate it being a good thing or can't criticize it as being bad.
I never said it justified it
August 16, 2008 - 11:48 ET by PopularTechI said it was only a matter of time before this thing happened. If you keep punching someone in the face they will eventually punch back. It is just that simple, especially when they feel they are being unfairly targeted. Has anyone actually watched "rap" videos? You find the rappers dressed in expensive clothing, with expensive jewlerly, with expensive cars and tons of beautiful women - drinking champaign - all while saying these "offensive" lyrics. Hardly the call for raping and murder. So could it be that their context is misunderstood?
Certain people take offense to someone wearing baggy pants or their hat sideways - does it look stupid? Yes, is it a crime? No. Is it the cause of all the problems? No it is a result of the problems - failing public education, welfare, broken families and real violence.
The problem with O'Reilly is he sounds like an old man who is out of touch with the subject he is criticizing (which he is).
My point is that "Gangsta" rap is like a timid little puppy dog next the disturbing violence that is in shows like the Sopranos.
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My point is The Sopranos haven't taken over our culture
August 16, 2008 - 12:49 ET by Dee Bunkand people don't go around dressing like them and using their lingo. Even if it had, people could still like it and watch it and realize that it's not necessarily a good thing for our culture if people are imitating it.
Your initial points were that O'Reilly was complacent in the same type of thing by white people and I've given examples of how he is not.
I think O'Reilly is a blow hard and am no big fan but I'm fine with his culture warrior stuff . It doesn't mean I agree with everything he says or am as offended by all of the same things but regardless nothing he has said justifies people saying he should be killed or sticking up for those who say it.
I guess we just have to agree to disagree on this.
Gansta Rap has not taken over our culture either
August 16, 2008 - 20:45 ET by PopularTechThis is exactly what I am talking about, people who don't like how other people behave or act.
There is an extensive collection of white music with horrendous lyrics of which you have not given me one example. Now either O'Reilly is an idiot or he is deliberately targeting rap music.
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Yes I did give you examples. Marilyn Manson isn't rap
August 16, 2008 - 23:02 ET by Dee Bunkand O'Reilly has criticized him. Of course there are all types of horrendous lyrics you could never mention them all. That's why you stick with the worst stuff that advocates killing and raping people.
52 to 1 - Rap vs Manson
August 16, 2008 - 23:19 ET by PopularTechI found 52 references to Rap Music vs 1 reference to Marilyn Manson on O'Reilly.
If Bill is truly targeting music that LITERALLY advocates killing and raping he needs to do better research.
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Pop....
August 16, 2008 - 23:25 ET by BlondeRapping, dude...not raping. LOL.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde
August 17, 2008 - 00:39 ET by PopularTechI had it right "killing and raping". I have to keep checking it every time I type it though, heh.
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If you know of some - send it in to him
August 16, 2008 - 23:39 ET by Dee BunkOf course it has to be popular - because unknown music doesn't have an effect. I'm sure he'd be glad to have other examples of music that makes the charts that advocates killing and/or raping people
As I said, he also criticizes Britney Spears and many other white people for their bad influence.
None of this matters that much to this thread because he's never said anything that justifies people talking about killing him.
And in this song, the rappers don't even mention his complaints about rappers anyway. They are talking about his politics and the whole "Neocon" thing.
It is not my job to do research for Bill O'Reilly.
August 17, 2008 - 00:36 ET by PopularTechIt is not my job to do research for Bill O'Reilly.
What music that made the charts outright literally advocates killing ot raping? Or does it simply include talk of such acts?
Actually O'Reilly is simply upset that rappers call each other pimps and their women hoes and bitches - failing to understand the slang context.
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double
August 16, 2008 - 23:40 ET by Dee Bunkdouble
That was a joke but Nelly is "Gangsta" says CSM
August 16, 2008 - 08:39 ET by PopularTechBut he is associated with a "Gangsta"! : o
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Actually, it was Olbermann
August 15, 2008 - 10:31 ET by winston smithActually, it was Olbermann himself who penned the lryics to this gem.
Three more Wiggers?
August 15, 2008 - 11:22 ET by CobraManEast Coast Avengers, who are they? Yet another "rap" group comprised of three more Wiggers?
On Edit: Here's a YouTube link: Wigger
Warning: Profanity alert!
East Coast Avengers
August 20, 2008 - 20:38 ET by mswsocialworkThe song is better than anythingthat admitted Democrat Toby Keith has ever done.
I love the song. It's production and performance are wonderful.
How deliciously ironic
August 15, 2008 - 12:31 ET by c5thenThe lyrics for this rap 'song' actually prove the point that O'Reilly has been making for years. How appropriate that it is aimed directly at him.
Again, it shows the childish mentality of the leftists that rather than welcome discourse and disagreement where they could defend their ideas to the nation in vigorous debate and rhetorical writings, they want to kill the people that disagree with them.
Imagine the world according to the left:
A: I believe this..._____________. what do you believe?
B: I believe this..._____________.
A. What? That is exactly the opposite of what I believe!
B: Lets debate it and see who's belief can be logically defended and withstand the arguments of the other side.
A: What?! No way! Your belief is different than mine, so I have to kill you because I have no idea how to defend my belief.
Bang bang bang.
A: There, I win.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.
Oh, Mamma!
August 15, 2008 - 13:12 ET by cest moiMamma, don't let your babies grow up to be liberals!
I need a shower....
August 15, 2008 - 13:50 ET by ArtisteThis is so filthy, I feel like I need a shower. The dems ought to be really proud of themselves knowing these are the kind of people that are rooting for their side. And to those that let this be recorded, you really should be ashamed. I don't care what your party affiliation is, this just isn't right. I hope you can sleep at night.
Gota Love Those Libs!
August 15, 2008 - 18:04 ET by ChasvsThis is the America of Barck Obama!
If you're looking for Change, he's the man to get you there!
Race baiting SOBs and low life bastards like this are the kind of filth Barack Obama surrounds himself with!
Anybody wanna take a guess what the Media would be saying if someone wrote this kind of filth about Barack and his hate America wife Michelle?
Hey Barack, we don't need your stinkin CHANGE!
Just One
August 15, 2008 - 15:46 ET by NorthCoasterexample of many that are supported by the MSM and Looney Left.
"There ought to be a Law!"
Just One
August 15, 2008 - 15:48 ET by NorthCoasterOOPS--Dup
This type of excrement is what Obama and the MSM inspire...
August 15, 2008 - 16:20 ET by CKA in Red State USANone of this would see the light of day if at least two things hadn't occurred.
One is Barack Obama's--actually, Indonesian-citizenship-holding-and-who-knows-how-many-others? Barry Soetoro's--continuous playing of the race card.
Two is the wrongly named MSM, especially Obama shills and shillettes, as well as pretend journalists such as Keith Olbermann and Media Matters, spewing their poison and avoiding calling SoetorObama and his camp on their overt and covert racism they inject into the Demockacrat and and general contests.
I hope that Bill O'Reilly and Michele Malkin take legal action against the rappers and, if possible, against Olbermann and MM. Of course, KO's and MM's defense, as perhaps the rappers' would be, will be the First Amendment. That's the same freedom that Olbermann and his fellow shills and shillettes abuse daily by being so cowardly as to avoid actually reporting about their multi-racial, race-card-playing idol from, well, all the places he's from, including that open sewer called the Chicago Political Machine.
And I hope that Keith does take a bow--and that then someone in his immediate vicinity then plants a size 12-medium squarely up you know where.
That probably wouldn't change one twit about him, but at least one person would have the satisfaction of indicating their disdain for who he is, in a way that he could not avoid understanding.
Unless, that is, he likes that kind of treatment.
No-Talent Hacks
August 15, 2008 - 17:35 ET by greenfairieThese 6th-year student aholes are looking to use violence and hatred to make a name for themselves and it's manna to the ignorant dopes who are posting on their MySpace. I'm willing to bet if they ran into 6'4" BOR in a dark alley, they'd run screaming like the little wussies that they likely are. Heck, they'd probably run from Michelle Malkin too.
The problem is there are obsessive nutburgers out there who listen to this stuff and take it seriously. Libs want to blame Rush or Sean for a crackpot who shot up that UU church although none of them have ever advocated violence against liberals or against Unitarians or anyone else for that matter, save for evil jihadists who want to kill Americans. Yet at any given moment, one can find scores of direct and indirect violent threats against conservatives, Republicans, Christians, Jews, etc. on DailyKos or Democratic Underground. This sort of "rap" reflects that fever swamp.
Boston White Rappers
August 15, 2008 - 18:13 ET by Redrowan2000These white Boston rappers or whatever you want to call them have accomplishd 2 things in their vile and stupid way. 1) they have set up BOR and MM for sympathy for their calls to murder them and 2) I would think that Barack is thinking "Great this is just what I needed". Good job boys turn out a couple more like this and you will insure McLame in November. By the way there is freedom of speech but don't these boys cross the line by inciting violence against specific people. I think a fat lawsuit added to the problems their going to face will be icing on the cake for these wannabe bad boys.
Don't let the bastards grind you down."
Red
There is absolutely nothing
August 15, 2008 - 18:50 ET by JerThere is absolutely nothing which can possibly justify the loathsome extermination language appearing in the referenced rap lyrics. It is truly sick and shameful.
But the suggeston that Media Matters is even remotely culpable is a stretch to say the least. O'Reilly has been conducting a one-man vendetta against the liberal website for years, utilizing far more incendiary words than has his target. Further, even though I believe MM has occasionally been off the mark with its claims, I can't recall a single instance where it has not accompanied its statements with verbatim transcripts and, on most occasions, video recordings.
Media Matters has also repeatedly challenged O'Reilly to an on-air debate, but, thus far--to borrow one of BOR's favorite lines--he has chosen to be a coward and hide under his desk.
Jer
Media Matters is a Propaganda Site
August 15, 2008 - 20:40 ET by PopularTechRight Bill O'Reilly attacked media matters, it has nothing to do with them taking things he said out of context first? Give me a break.
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Media Matters takes things way out of context all the time
August 16, 2008 - 07:28 ET by Dee Bunkall the time. They were the ones who started the whole Bill Bennette smear by completely mischaracterizing what he said about black babies and abortion. They are a smear machine pure and simple.
You're correct in part,
August 16, 2008 - 19:14 ET by JerYou're correct in part, Dee...As I acknowledged previously, Media Matters does sometimes take things out of context. So does Bill O'Reilly. The difference is that MM almost always provides complete transcript and video backup. O'Reilly, frequently, does not. If on BOR's hit list--as are, in his words, the "vile, despicable, lefty websites", the Grand Poobah of the No Spin Zone, becomes the master spinner himself.
Jer
Ah Jer
August 16, 2008 - 19:33 ET by well99They also do creative editing.I was on the website and folks got into a uproar about a video they spliced.The video had been edited and they were called on it by regulars.Yes theyre some liberals who do have integrity.They dont work for the msm obviously.
Hi well99...I'm not aware
August 16, 2008 - 23:00 ET by JerHi well99...I'm not aware of Media Matters engaging in that type of chicanery. I probably spend less than 2% of my time at that site compared to NB, but if they have deliberately distorted video or transcriptions even once, it is unfortunate...if they do so routinely, it is deplorable.
And, although I haven't encountered the practice in the course of my occasional cross-checking, that's not to say I always agree with their inferences and interpretations. [Of course, I don't always agree with NB either. :-)]
Jer
Jer
August 16, 2008 - 23:08 ET by Noel SheppardJer,
What MM does is cherry pick. They might include the entire transcript at the end of their posts, but their analysis in the opening paragraphs typically focuses on selected elements of what the target of their disaffection said. This is VERY common at MM, and why their analysis should typically be thoroughly ignored.
If I wanted to spend my time discrediting them, I could tear apart most of their "articles." However, reviewing folks that review media seems a hollow pursuit. That's like critiquing movie critics. HELLO! Get a life.
Know what I mean? ns
Noel...The fact is O'Reilly
August 16, 2008 - 23:38 ET by JerNoel...The fact is O'Reilly has been "reviewing" Media Matters for years, and when the latter began posting video and transcripts of some of his more outrageous remarks, he adopted a two-pronged approach: a. employing the "I was just kidding" defense, and b. smearing the messenger.
As I mentioned, MM has repeatedly challenged to debate him anywhere, anytime. To date, he is all mouth and no guts. Bill O'Reilly is smart, informed, and is actually a very good interviewer when he keeps himself under control. I just have no respect for frauds.
Jer
Jer
August 16, 2008 - 23:53 ET by Noel SheppardJer,
So MM wants to debate BO. So what. Who would represent them? Brock? Boehlert? Alter? You really think any of the three of these half-wits would hold a candle to BO in a face to face? Honestly? The three of them are lucky to find the floor in the morning when they wake up!
Why do you think they want to debate him? Have you considered the likelihood that they're looking for the publicity it would give them? Might they be looking to tap into his 2 million-plus viewers? How much has KO benefitted from attacking BO? Have you missed that? He's developed a cottage industry with liberal idiots around the country attacking BO. You disagree with this? Don't you think the dolts from MM are looking to do the same, or haven't you considered that possibility?
Whether it be Brock, Boehlert, or Alter, BO would wipe the floor with them. You know it, I know it, and THEY know it. This is a publicity stunt on THEIR part, and BO -- the most watched person on cable! -- isn't falling for it. Frankly, I'm surprised you are. ns
Noel...You might be
August 17, 2008 - 00:08 ET by JerNoel...You might be surprised at how easily a half-wit armed with facts can reduce a bs-spewing genius to rubble.
Jer
Jer
August 17, 2008 - 00:18 ET by Noel SheppardJer,
I couldn't agree more! :-) ns
Noel
August 17, 2008 - 00:28 ET by JerAt last! One small oasis of harmony before turning in [or catching a little more of the 'all-Phelps all-the-time-Olympics']. :-)
Jer
Jer
August 17, 2008 - 00:35 ET by Noel SheppardJer,
Should we be showing less of the greatest American Olympian of all time? ns
Hold on, now. MM cherry
August 17, 2008 - 10:22 ET by JasonCHold on, now.
MM cherry picks controversial content and selectively shows what they want (sometimes providing full transcripts at the end) in order to highlight the negative? Let's not call the kettle black, that is exactly how NewsBusters operates. And rightly so. What would the alternative be, to just provide the full transcript and hope that the reader picks out the same bit of controversial content that you noticed? Pointing it out, isolating it from its context, is all part of the critique, no?
Second, this idea that BOR isn't falling into the "Trap" of giving MM publicity might be accurate in some respects, but gives credence to an antiquated ethos: that the person with money and media popularity is automatically given moral high ground. BOR routinely slams MM as a left-wing interest group, and they routinely point out the inconsistencies in BOR's pathos-laden, faux-populist rhetoric. If BOR is allowed to invite people to debate and then mock them when they refuse, why is it untoward of MM to offer a real debate (as opposed to continuing to slam each other on their respective outlets)? The fact that BOR is the most watched person on cable does not make him right or give him moral authority in ANY WAY.
"Il y a parier que toute idee publique, toute convention recue, est une sottise, car elle a convenu au plus grande nombre." -Chamfort
Translation: "It is safe to wager that every idea that is public property, every accepted convention, is a bit of stupidity, for it has suited the majority."
This credo is what leaps to mind for me when you reverently mention BOR's ratings credentials, and infer from them some sort of insulative right to NOT be challenged or debated. You place MM in a strange double-bind when their desire to debate the man openly is constructed not in terms of vindicating their position but in terms of taking advantage of BOR's wealth and exposure. If BOR is so certain he'd defeat them in debate (and the problem is not that he tends to win debates with people armed with facts, in my opinion, but that he WILL not admit he is wrong or will change the terms of the debate as it suits him - that's why such a debate would require a moderator and neutral setting), then he has little excuse to hide behind his own success and claim that others are merely taking advantage of it.
"Issue-driven politics in red-and-blue America is like a man whose
appetite for steak is greatly enhanced by his contempt for vegetarians."
JC
August 17, 2008 - 11:29 ET by Noel SheppardJC,
MM is NOT a media or journalistic outlet. It is a political advocate originally created by the Clintons and funded by ultra-left-wing sources including the Democracy Alliance and George Soros. It is BY NO MEANS an impartial media analysis organization as it pretends, and is, instead, an extraordinarily biased entity exclusively created to attack press members that say or write anything it doesn't agree with while advancing extreme left-wing ideas and candidates.
As such, why would Bill waste his time debating and giving credibility to folks that so disingenuously misrepresent their modus operandi?
Let's understand something: MM's goal is NOT to expose "conservative bias" in the media. Instead, the MO is to discredit every press member that says or writes anything that goes counter to extreme liberal positions. And, they are willing to cherry pick from, as well as edit, lengthy transcripts to accomplish this goal.
If you think we're doing the same thing, you are very sadly mistaken. ns
Noel,
August 17, 2008 - 13:04 ET by JasonCNoel,
It is silly to think that I will be swayed into believing Media Matters has so little integrity compared to NewsBusters simply because you invoke the dreaded Geogre "Liberal Bogeyman" Soros. You're certainly entitled to your opinion regarding MM's modus operandi, but to say "MM is funded by notoriously liberal benefactors" and rest your case as to the sophistication of their critical methods is highly disingenuos.
Media Research Center's endowments come from:
Bradley Foundation: Conservative institute with over 1/2 billion in assets.
Castle Rock: Conservative foundation focusing on free trade and "traditional" values.
Scaife: Conservative foundation which (appallingly, in my mind) supported Project for the New American Century, the prototypical neoconservative organization which advocated aggressive, militarily-preemptive foreign policy.
And others.
There is nothing inherently wrong with any of this, mind you. But am I to believe that MRC is a group of politically-neutral altruists bringing truth at any cost to a society corrupted by biased media. Of course not. MRC attacks perceived liberal bias from a right-of-center position. This is simply the ideological corollary of what MM does. As much as some conservatives believe that invoking Soros' name is a conclusive argument against something (just as many liberals believe the same regarding the invocation of Rove's or Limbaugh's name), I'm afraid it is not a persuasive tack.
Does MRC not engage in similar rhetorical moves as you describe in your second-to-last paragraph? Making a negative claim, highlighting the negative aspect of the story and witholding key contextual details is hardly a new or dastardly practice in ideological journalism. Cf., for instance, the recent story regarding an op/ed piece in Newsday that discussed the intersection of the TN church shooter's personal extremist politics, the rhetoric of certain conservative pundits, and the shooter's confirmed admiration of such pundits. The writer never, not once, laid blame for the shooting upon those pundits. But several posters who read Bozell's call for an apology, and other NBer comments before reading the piece in question itself, was convinced that she had basically claimed Limbaugh and Hannity had personally called up the shooter and told him to do it. Even when confronted with the op/ed itself and informed that she never even implied this, posters could not accept it, because of the rhetorical acuity with which the NB article was written.
I am not trying to put down NewsBusters here. But I think it is hypocritical to point toward Media Matters' funding sources and rhetorical style and claim that this makes them automatically beyond serious consideration.
"Issue-driven politics in red-and-blue America is like a man whose
appetite for steak is greatly enhanced by his contempt for vegetarians."
JC
August 17, 2008 - 13:25 ET by Noel SheppardJC,
You may not be trying to put down NB or the MRC, but equating us -- and ME! -- to that abomination is insulting. If you can't see that, we have nothing more to discuss. Adieu. ns
Ignore him, NS
August 17, 2008 - 13:28 ET by BlondeI do.
He's just trying to get your goat.
Who needs all his pseudo-intellectual blather? Not I.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde
August 17, 2008 - 13:42 ET by Noel SheppardBlonde,
Well, equating NB/MRC with MM IS insulting. Equating conservative foundations with Soros IS insulting.
Furthermore, let's understand that the goal of MM is not a fair and impartial media. They want ALL conservative opinion off the print and airwaves. This is why they actually complain when a liberal like Chris Matthews says ANYTHING that doesn't completely fit their agenda.
By contrast, we're not advocating an exclusively conservative media. We just want some balance. In addition, MM asks its readers to complain to media outlets that offend them. We don't do that for what should be obvious reasons.
The Center for American Progress and MM were specifically created by the Clintons to eliminate all conservative opinion in the media, and advance liberal views and candidates. They want Fox News off the air. They want all conservative radio programs off the air. They want all conservative pundits like George Will, Tucker Carlson, Tony Blankley, etc., off the air. They want all television news programs to look like "Countdown."
That's NOT the counter to our MO. Not by a long shot. And anybody that says so is either lying or intellectually challenged. ns
Precisely
August 17, 2008 - 13:47 ET by BlondeThey're all about advocacy...of the liberal agenda.
I'm glad you point that out for new readers, here, but really....you're being baited.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
As I've said, I prefer to
August 17, 2008 - 13:54 ET by JasonCAs I've said, I prefer to let an organization's work speak for itself, rather than concern myself with its origin and financial backing. If you start looking into that sort of thing, everything is going to look shady. And the fact is, while Media Matters is decidedly (and admittedly) operating from the liberal perspective, they strike me as no more biased or virulent than any of NB's output. Granted, I don't spend as much time on MM as NB, but I wish someone would point out just a handful of examples, with links, of what makes them so deplorable; you know, beyond liberalism.
"Issue-driven politics in red-and-blue America is like a man whose
appetite for steak is greatly enhanced by his contempt for vegetarians."
Well, I'm sorry you feel
August 17, 2008 - 13:37 ET by JasonCWell, I'm sorry you feel that way.
Both sites are open about their respective ideological positions and frame themselves as watchdogs of media outlets which are biased in the other direction.
Both sites are funded by some extremely deep and influential pockets.
Both sites are at times selective about how and what they report so as to more thoroughly assert their positions.
Both sites at time employ rabble-rousing vitriol and demonization.
If you wish to terminate this discussion, fine, but if there is some obvious discrepancy that I am missing, I will need you to point it out.
"Issue-driven politics in red-and-blue America is like a man whose
appetite for steak is greatly enhanced by his contempt for vegetarians."
Jer
August 17, 2008 - 04:07 ET by well99They have done it several times that I know of.I left because of it.To me that is bs.As far as BOR well I am no fan but I give him credit on his stance of Jessica's Law.Michelle was the best part of the show and she no longer appears because of Geraldo.That lieing piece of garbage.
Jer
August 16, 2008 - 20:37 ET by Noel SheppardJer,
Could you show me where in my article I said Media Matters was "culpable?" Please? Pretty please? With sugar on top?
I said these miscreants might have referred to Media Matters. That's all. Care to debate ME on that? :-) ns
Hey Noel...You ask:Could
August 16, 2008 - 22:47 ET by JerHey Noel...You ask:
Could you show me where in my article I said Media Matters was "culpable?" Please? Pretty please? With sugar on top?
I said these miscreants might have referred to Media Matters.
Well, since you asked so nicely...let's review your actual words:
Included in the number are recordings of media members such as Kieth Olbermann making disparaging remarks abou O'Reilly, as well as a couple of lyrics that seem to suggest the authors of this filth read the leftwing website Media Matters...[my emphasis]
And here is the relevant portion of my response (after noting the "loathsome exterminaton language" of the lyrics):
But the suggestion that Media Matters is even remotely culpable is a stretch...
Maybe it would have been better phrasing to say "[b]ut any suggestion, etc." Otherwise, I think the extrapolation is fair.
Jer
Jer
August 16, 2008 - 22:55 ET by Noel SheppardJer,
What I suggested was that these guys might read MM. Correct? That's not an implication that MM is responsible for what they wrote, is it?
By contrast, because they included an audio snippet of Olbermann, I do feel it's warranted to point fingers at him. Clearly Olbermann has impacted their views. That's undeniable. But as for MM, I just raised the possibility that these guys are readers. Please prove me wrong. Pretty please? With sugar on top? ns
Noel...And what is the
August 16, 2008 - 23:24 ET by JerNoel...And what is the purpose of even this limited observation [that the guys are "possibly readers" of MM] if not to suggest the authors' extreme views might be informed by the anti-O'Reilly musings of Media Matters?
Jer
because it's there
August 16, 2008 - 23:28 ET by candanceIf Noel didn't bring it up someone else would have. They obviously wanted to plug MM in the song so it's natural for people to notice it.
Jer
August 16, 2008 - 23:36 ET by Noel SheppardJer,
Forgot about what I think. Do YOU think it's interesting that these hateful miscreants might have made two references to MM? ns
Noel...I could care less if
August 16, 2008 - 23:44 ET by JerNoel...I could care less if these "hateful miscreants" had referenced Barack Obama or Billy Graham--they make me sick.
Jer
Jer, you could care less?
August 16, 2008 - 23:58 ET byhow much less could you care???
"You can not support the Troops if you do not support their Mission"
sorry Jer
August 17, 2008 - 00:01 ET byforgot: my card
;^)
"You can not support the Troops if you do not support their Mission"
I would tell you, botg,
August 17, 2008 - 00:01 ET by Jerhow much less could you care???
I would tell you, botg, but candance might accuse me of dragging this thing out. :-)
Jer
Jer
August 17, 2008 - 00:06 ET by Noel SheppardJer,
If you "could care less" who these miscreants referenced, why are you questioning my observation that they referenced MM? ns
"If you "could care less"
August 17, 2008 - 00:33 ET by MrShy"If you "could care less" who"..."
Guys, guys, guys, GUYS......
It's "couldn't care less".
Thought I'd interject with a little obnoxiousness. Heck, it's Saturday. :) Oh, and who did better tonight on that reverend's townhall meeting-style interview? (missed it :p)
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Okay, Okay..."couldn't care
August 17, 2008 - 00:49 ET by JerOkay, Okay..."couldn't care less". I'm thoroughly humiliated. I am sure by now my high school English teacher has reached out from the grave, pulled my transcript, and changed my "A" in grammar to a courtesy "B".
Jer
shy
August 17, 2008 - 01:05 ET bywhat do you say we shake them down?
"You can not support the Troops if you do not support their Mission"
Maybe you geniuses
August 17, 2008 - 01:40 ET by JerMaybe you geniuses would care to goose-step over to dictionary.com and pursue the argument. It would appear the idioms "couldn't care less" and "could care less" are essentially interchangeable. :-)
Jer
Jer
August 17, 2008 - 01:43 ET by Noel SheppardJer,
Cool. But this wasn't my argument, and I'm still interested in an answer to my question above. ns
Sorry Noel. Yeah
August 17, 2008 - 02:11 ET by MrShySorry Noel.
Yeah Jer!
:)
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Remember... LESS IS
August 17, 2008 - 04:16 ET by Jack BauerRemember...
LESS IS MORE
as some architect once said.
jer
August 17, 2008 - 02:14 ET by13.couldn't care less, could not care less; be completely unconcerned: I couldn't care less whether she goes to the party or not. Also, could care less.
you will note it is given as an alternate and under idioms. a concession to the uninformed but you no longer need such concessions. :) (they probably have regard for using 'irregardless' also)
"You can not support the Troops if you do not support their Mission"
I'm with Noel
August 16, 2008 - 23:21 ET by candanceJer I think you're making a mountain out of a mole hil. Noel happened to notice that these guys made a not-so-subtle reference to MM in their lyrics. Thus they're probably fans of MM.
Noel said nothing about MM inspiring them to write this song. It's just an interesting glimpse into their world.
And the fact that you're dragging this out looks like you're trying to paint Noel as the bad guy here for something.
Stop it, candance...I've
August 16, 2008 - 23:58 ET by JerStop it, candance...I've never tried to paint Noel as the bad guy here for anything.
I simply questioned the putative, no matter how tenuous, linkage between the hateful rapper lyrics and negative O'Reilly information on MM.
I make a passing reference to it, and that's making a mountain out of a mole hill? Gimme a break.
Jer
edit: And, by the way, how do my responses to Noel's several "pretty please" questions, as well as to inquiries by well99 and now to you, constitute my "dragging it out"?
OK, hold up a sec. These
August 15, 2008 - 19:14 ET by balboaOK, hold up a sec.
These lyrics are despicable. These guys are idiots. No question.
But how are you going to blame the media for helping "develop this threesome's hatred", but then claim Rush, Hannity, et al have no responsibility for the guy who gunned down people in a church when he was obviously a big fan?
Personally, I don't think either faction is responsible for the actions of either set of idiots. Rush, Hannity, Olbermann, the MSM, are not responsible for how someone twists their words.
If these lyrics were aimed
August 15, 2008 - 19:28 ET by general companyIf these lyrics were aimed at Obama, do you think it would garner any attention? If they were aimed at the CiC they may be a crime. Why do we tolerate anyone suggesting violence against anyone? Seems it is never a problem, unless the victim is a liberal, and it doesn't even half to be violence, could just be a simple quip.
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I'm not saying you should
August 15, 2008 - 19:44 ET by balboaI'm not saying you should tolerate it.
American Carol trailer
August 15, 2008 - 21:00 ET by balboaI don't know guys...doesn't look too promising.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CYSGCoflAA
Looks good to me
August 15, 2008 - 21:06 ET by well99I'll have to keep a eye out for it.Not that I am a white uh I mean republican.I really liked Chris hope his brother does well.
"I don't know
August 16, 2008 - 19:50 ET by Blazer"I don't know guys...doesn't look too promising."
Well bal, it doesn't have to be good as long as it pisses off liberals and you saying it "doesn't look too promising" must mean it'll be quite good. : )
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- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
So if someone recorded such
August 15, 2008 - 21:08 ET by GregESo if someone recorded such threatening things and said them for millions to hear, there may be jail time for threatening someone's life. But, put it together in a nice little innocent "it's just art" rap song and it's A-OK eh?
So where are the calls in
August 16, 2008 - 10:19 ET by GameGridSo where are the calls in the media for Keith Olberman needing to be fired and Media Matters needing to be shut for inspiring this sort of gutter bilge since it's patently obvious that they have influenced these morons into writing this garbage?
I know the answer already but that doesn't mean that this isn't an absolute outrage. Libs are always full of hypocrisy, they claim to be all about peace but they are the first ones to call for the killing of those who disagree with them. That's what socialism always leads to folks.
Even gangster rap used to
August 16, 2008 - 10:32 ET by JasonCEven gangster rap used to have (arguably) a modicum of legitimate social criticism. NWA, Public Enemy, and some of their respective members' solo careers have elegantly walked the line between glamorization of the lifestyle and outright social satire. F*** tha Police, surely the genre's most notorious offering, sounds positively Swiftian compared to what has been produced since then. The modern gangster rappers (and I would argue this has been the case since Dr. Dre's "The Chronic" album) have misinterpreted their predecessors so dramatically as to produce either laughable "bling-bling" fantasies or outrageously straight-faced calls to violence, the vile subject of this article obviously falling into the latter category.
What absurd garbage. These musicians have played right into the hands of commentators who lump all rap music into the same violent, misogynist mold which defines only a few talentless losers. I imagine NB has a crisis of conscious in publishing this expose; on the one hand, it is surely legitimate to point out the existence of this horrible song. On the other, its youtube and iTunes circulation will increase every time a conservative outlet decries it. Quite a conundrum.
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appetite for steak is greatly enhanced by his contempt for vegetarians."
JC
August 16, 2008 - 15:18 ET by Noel SheppardJC,
I considered what my coverage might do for publicizing this detritus. However, I'd rather continue to expose the disgrace that is extreme liberalism than be fearful of my attention adding to its dissemination. This became especially the case given the clear link to Olbermann and apparent link to Media Matters. ns
It is all about Money
August 16, 2008 - 20:36 ET by PopularTechThe current generation of musicians are not stupid and they make what sells. I don't believe they are misinterpretting anything but simply out there to make as much money as possible (of which I have no problem) the real problem is why is there such a market for this type of music? The market will show what people want and unless this is addressed targeting the guys that want to live a rich lifestyle and drive fast cars is not going to fix it.
This song was designed for this type of publicity, it is actually brilliant marketing. Controversy sells.
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O'Reilly
August 16, 2008 - 16:01 ET by BarrackLook, I have my problems with O'Reilly.....
He refuses to call out CAIR - actually let's their representatives spin like crazy..
He sucks up to Howard Wolfson instead of calling him out for his role in Paul v. Clinton
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7007109937779036019
But this song (if you can call it that) warrants an arrest of the artist. These are threats to do harm to another human being.... period.
At the very least, East Coast Avengers better hope one of their fans isn't incited into action by that pathetic attempt at a song because they will be locked up if anything happens to O'Reilly or Malkin.
www.benbarrack.com
...and the good ol' ALCU
August 16, 2008 - 16:09 ET by bigtimer...and the good ol' ALCU would be right there in a second flat....along with the msm....
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
So people are not responsible for their actions anymore?
August 16, 2008 - 21:05 ET by PopularTechThis is the exact argument the ACLU likes to make. So if I say "my boss should be killed", I should be arrested? Or does the first amendment exist for a reason.
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These people need to be
August 17, 2008 - 19:33 ET by liberal_bug_zapperThese people need to be brought up on charges. That's a direct threat to O'Reilly and Michelle.
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East Coast Avengers
August 20, 2008 - 20:25 ET by mswsocialworkI enjoyed the tune. It was well written and well crafted. A fine performance.
And you can dance to it.
I downloaded the song today. It's fun to sing along with.
I give it an 8/10.
You're a fine Amerikan, MSW.
August 20, 2008 - 20:45 ET by KarmaYou're a fine Amerikan, MSW. Dance to your hearts content.
I listened to and downloaded the song
August 20, 2008 - 21:25 ET by mswsocialworkI listened to the tune on the band's my space page.
It's got a good beat and you can dance to it.
I give it an 8/10.
Don't you like music?