Obama Accuses Reporter of Serving as McCain's 'Proxy'

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Aside from being tagged a racist, it now appears that any press member who dares ask presumptive Democrat presidential nominee Barack Obama a tough question will be accused of acting as a proxy for John McCain.

Such was the case Tuesday when the junior senator from Illinois was being interviewed on Las Vegas's CBS affiliate.

The video embedded right along with the following transcript show a very testy and almost offensive candidate that appears uninterested in being challenged on his energy positions:

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JON RALSTON, CHANNEL 8 POLITICAL ANALYST: Senator, thank you for being here.

SEN. BARACK OBAMA: Thank you.

RALSTON: This energy story seems to be changing every day, I want to make sure I have it straight. It has been played up a lot in stories that you were against drilling, and tapping the petroleum reserve but you have reversed on that and now you are for both. You want to compromise on energy, so you don't really favor drilling but for political reasons you are going to change your position. This is change we can believe in Senator?

SEN. OBAMA: Well John, I think as usual you have been provocative but misstated my position. What I have said is that we can't drill our way out of the problem and that is what I have said from the start. What I have also said is the we've got to focus on alternative energy, in Nevada solar is obviously critical, wind power, bio fuels, making energy efficient cars, plug in hybrids that can get 150 miles per gallon, making sure that we've got the kind of energy efficient buildings that can be designed right now, all of which could bring a much more energy efficient economy than we have right now. Hold on John. You asked the question, let me finish. That is what I am going to do. What I have also said is that there is room for domestic production in the overall energy mix, using the 68 million acres of leases that have already been given to oil companies, making sure that we are using the oil fields that exist to potentially get more oil out of them. If we do all those things, if I've got a comprehensive package that is moving energy efficiency forward and the gang of ten, this group of Senators on a bi-partisan basis say we want as a part of that some limited increases in drilling then I am not going to be dogmatic about it, that is not being political, that is common sense John. To give relief to the American people, but more importantly to set ourselves on a path of energy efficiency over the long term.

RALSTON: I guess what the American people want to know though Senator, is what is the real difference between you and John McCain. You are running this ad tying him to the industry saying that he has taken all of these contributions, but as you well know there is a story out today about how you supported the Dick Cheney bill and he opposed it. That bill gave subsidies to the oil and gas companies, John McCain opposed the bill saying those are tax breaks for those companies, Barack Obama favored it.

SEN. OBAMA: Hold on a second John, I thought I was talking to you instead of debating John McCain, but I am happy to let you serve as his proxy. The fact of the matter is that I supported that energy bill saying at the time that those tax breaks were wrong but also recognizing that this was the largest investment in alternative energy in history. And that it was important for us, for the solar industry to get off the ground in places like Nevada, for to get wind kicked off the ground, that that was something that we had to do and I immediately said during that time and subsequently that we should strip out those tax breaks for oil companies. I would point out that in December of last year, we had a vote to strip out those tax breaks for oil companies, there was one Senator that did not vote on that measure, and that was John McCain. And that money would have gone to alternative energy. But look, people aren't interested in this sort of tit for tat, there're interested in figuring out how we actually are going to get something done. And I have consistently supported fuel efficiency standards on cars, John McCain opposed them, I have consistently supported solar power, John McCain opposed them, I have consistently supported wind power, John McCain opposed it, I have consistently supported bio fuel development, John McCain has opposed it. There are some differences, just for example John McCain is in favor of Yucca Mountain, I am opposed to it. There are some clear contrasts here, but the notion that there is somehow no difference between John McCain and myself on energy policy is simply not true.

RALSTON: Of course that is not what I said. But at the risk of being called...

SEN. OBAMA: I thought that is what you said. You said, what was the difference.

RALSTON: I was playing devil's advocate, which I will do again at the risk of being called John McCain's proxy yet again. I'll ask you, you know this Senator, you say tit for tat, you talked in your whole campaign about rising above politics as usual. You yourself also know that there is a fine line between flip-flopping and flexibility on policy. Maybe if there is a crisis in the future with nuclear waste storage, maybe you will just say to the Nevadans, well I was against Yucca Mountain but guess what, now I am for it.

SEN. OBAMA: John, don't put words in my mouth or anticipate what I am going to do. I've been opposed to Yucca Mountain from the start so if the suggestion is that John McCain who is in favor of Yucca right now should get a pass on that. Whereas I, who am adamantly opposed to it, somehow might be second guessed, I think that doesn't make sense. Look that fact of the matter is, I think that there is room for nuclear power in the overall energy mix but the key is that we do have to figure out a safe storage strategy. Yucca has proven to be poorly designed approach to the problem. And one of the things I want to do is to work with the nuclear industry, scientists and engineers, to find out what is a safe and appropriate approach to nuclear waste, if we want to expand nuclear waste overall.

RALSTON: All right Senator, as always good to talk to you. I hope your coming back to Nevada soon, you might have heard that we are a battleground state this year.

SEN. OBAMA: John, you know I love Nevada and more importantly I love debating you on your show.

I guess it's clear why Obama doesn't want to do town halls with McCain, wouldn't you agree?

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SEN. OBAMA: John, you know

SEN. OBAMA: John, you know I love Nevada and more importantly I love debating you on your show.

"Debating you" ????????

Silly me. I thought this was an interview.

Didn't Ralston know that he's just supposed to tee up the Senator to make his policy statements?

Anytime someone questions the Senator instead of just nodding at his "pronouncements" he's a McCain proxy engaging in debate.

OH Yea

SOBama will be back on this guys show face to face....

When pig fly he'll be back!

This guy will only debate McCain when he is infron of PBS, CBS, and NBC during the 3 debates he is willing to participate in.

I think McCain should SKIP these debates and Do Debates, Townhalls, aired by FOX.

Let them run directly opposit the other three debates and see who has the larger viewing audiences.

 

Town hall debates: Have an empty stool for Barack.

McCain should go ahead and do the town hall debates. Have an empty stool sitting beside him on the stage with a spotlight on it, awaiting Barack's arrival. Even allow audience members to put questions to Barack (the empty stool), followed by awkward silence.

Shame Shame

Don't you know that some consider an empty stool (especially one with skinny legs) a symbol with racial overtones? Furthermore, if the empty stool were too high it might for some (LIKE ALL OF MSM) convey something phallic.

ROFL!

Hilarious, (especially the skinny legs!) but unfortunately, not outside the realm of possibility.

(I'm still trying to figure out how "skinny" developed racial overtones.)

 

And he should start placing

And he should start placing the empty stool at the military town hall which is next up.  It would be fun to see what Obama says in reference to the stool.  But we must remember that the stool does not represent a stool or POS only Obama, hmmmmm.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Hi Delsa... Isn't it

Hi Delsa...

Isn't it lovely that we are going to have these three wonderful moderators...

Jim Lehrer...Tom Brokaw and Bob Schieffer.

Sad...they left Fox out again.

Why didn't McCain insist on this I have to wonder...at least one debate on Fox..with Brit Hume as moderator.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Debates


This guy will only debate McCain when. . . .

I heard a blurb stating (I think on ABC) something like "blah, blah, blah, will monitor the final Obama/McCain debate October 15th. . .". What does that 'final debate' mean? Have there been any or will there be a series? Feel free to PM me with any info.

D

Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.

I'm shocked Obama didn't

I'm shocked Obama didn't call the guy a racist for questioning his loony energy proposals.  I wonder if this reporter still has a job?

John, you slimey Ba%$tard!

You are never ever to criticize me or ask tough questions about what I did in the past! IF you do it again I'll call you a racist and you'll be ruined in this industry for ever! I am the Obama. I am the symbol of American dreams. I am the annointed one who will bring us all together so we may partake of the big-oil windfall feast.

The OBAMA has spoken, you may go.

 

The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.

What?

Seriously... What does Obama say when he speaks?  He talks and talks and talks and it means absolutely nothing.  I am amazed at the sheer volume of nothingness and empty platitudes he can utter in a given question and answer session.   Not to mention the weird preagnant pauses while speaking. Those are really annoying.

Speaks well. Says nothing.

Yep. This response is up there with the 50 second gobbly-goop he sputtered in reponse to Katie Couric asking him about the success of the surge.

Another tv ad / youtube video compiling these, please, from the McCain campain.

It is about

time he got testy with a reporter that is trying to overtalk him or not let him state his case...This guy sounds like a McCain supporter!!!

Oh, brother.

Oh, brother.

Proxy?

How could this clown Barry actually say something like this in this atmosphere of Obama worship by the media? Obama is so disingenuous it's sickening. BTW, he just changed the logo on his 757. At taxpayers expense ($500,000), he removed the American Flag! This is Snoops verified. "God DAMN  America". What a guy!

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

 

NOT snopes verified

As posted elsewhere, B(censored middle initial)O did not charge the taxpayers to refurbish his plane.

Read the article at snopes.com It says that he spent $500,000 on a total refurbish of the plane, which icluded his changing the logo. It says nothing about who paid, but one must assume that his cmpaign did. Taxpayers do not pay campaign costs (directly)

This is old news. It came out in the early days of his overseas tour.

Barry is an idiot but there is not reason to spread false stories about him. He is messing up enough on his own.

docbs

Senator BARACK OBAMA was invited to address a> major gathering of the American Indian Nations> two weeks ago in upstate New York.> > HE spoke for almost an hour on HIS future plans> for increasing every Native American's present> standard of living, should HE one day become> the President. HE referred to his career as a> Senator, how he had signed 'YES' for every> Indian issue that came to his desk for> approval. Although the Senator was vague on the> details of his plan, he seemed most> enthusiastic about his future ideas for helping> his 'red sisters' and 'brothers'. > > At the conclusion of his speech, the Tribes> presented the Senator with a plaque inscribed> with his new Indian name - Walking Eagle. The> proud Senator then departed in his motorcade,> waving to the crowds. > > A news reporter later inquired to the group of> chiefs of how they came to select the new name> given to the Senator. They explained that> Walking Eagle is the name given to a bird so> full of shit it can no longer fly.>

(GRINS)   kilrod

Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier

I agree. He must finally

I agree. He must finally stand up for himself in all these unfair interviews.

ps: those 'samples' are supposed to be for the patients...

The Barack Hussein Doll Again

Pull the string, it talks for half an hour, says nothing, and never says the same thing twice. Plus it can flip faster than a burnt pancake.

No wonder he doesn't want to debate

Hysterical.

And you wonder why this clown - Mr. "I want to talk about issues" - wants to keep debates with McCain to the bare minimum of 3?

Obama only comes off well when he's reading off a teleprompter in front of an adoring crowd. Beyond that, he's awful, as he follows McCain's lead on one issue after another (e.g., nukes, drilling, Iraq)

The emptiest suit American politics has ever seen.

Thats 3 debates where he

Thats 3 debates where he has the questions in advance, so he wont studder like a school boy caught in the girls bathroom. He has refused to engage in open debate in a townhall setting. He has refused to engage in a debate where the questions are not given to him in advance, so his remarks can be prepared in advance. Speaks to his ignorance, and his stupidity.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Debates

So just to make sure I have this right, none of the three debates are going to be in a town hall format?  Can't McCain state that he will only agree if one of them is a town hall?  Haven't the past debates had a least one in town hall format? 

Blue Sky World

Nevada solar is obviously critical, wind power, bio fuels, making
energy efficient cars, plug in hybrids that can get 150 miles per
gallon, making sure that we've got the kind of energy efficient
buildings that can be designed right now, all of which could bring a
much more energy efficient economy than we have right now

What a coincidence, BO's energy policy is the same as my Christmas wish list. Is there one single solitary person who doesn't want those things? But guess what? There's a huge pot of gold at the end the rainbow for any person or company that can bring these technologies into the mainstream. The best thing we can do is let corporations keep a larger share of their profits so they can be reinvested in R+D.

All Hail the Almighty Obama

And Obama said unto him, "John Ralston, you have chosen unwisely. Do you not know God when you see Him? Hail Me, Obama or be cast into the firey pits of eternal damnation!"

 

 

I still don't get this guy's policy

He mentions nuclear energy near the end of the interview, but he qualifies everything with "a safe and appropriate approach". It sounds like he's allowing himself an out after the election. It's like Clinton saying he didn't plan to raise taxes back in 1992 during the campaign but qualifying that by saying he'd never use the words "read my lips". We all know what happened after he got into office.

That's my biggest problem with Obama's flip-flops(or whatever the hell you wanna call them). We really don't know what this guy will do when elected. With no substantial voting record to examine, shifting positions throughout the campaign, and a media almost completely in the tank for him and refusing to challenge him on key issues, electing Obama is tantamount to rolling the dice and betting the entire future of this nation on the guy.

And as for the matter of Obama calling the interviewer John McCain's proxy, that's classless and unnecessary. Take issue with the questions or insinuations. Defend your positions and voting record in the Senate. Attack your opponent. But don't sink to the level of calling the reporter a hack. It makes Obama sound like a whiny little b-tch and it makes me seriously question whether he has the intestinal fortitude to be Commander-in-Chief.

Never forget, Obama is a lawyer

What does it say when a presidential candidate, during the campaign, insists that we shouldn't anticipate what he intends to do or say? Isn't it a little disturbing that a candidate for president doesn't want to be pinned down? Is this guy a slippery lawyer or what?

"John, don't put words in my mouth or anticipate what I am going to do."

Look, we can all appreciate a lawyer's trained reluctance to say anything that could be used against him later on. That's a skill we pay lawyers for. But Obama isn't running for lawyer. He's running for president, which means that he's supposed to stand for something.

Forgive me for repeating this every chance I get, but it seems so often ignored, especially by the media -- Representative democracy only works when candidates stand for certain things, and citizens vote to agree or disagree. The only way citizens can express themselves is to vote for candidates who stand for values that the citizen also supports. That's the only way citizens can express what they want. If I vote for a candidate for one reason, but then he reverses his position, it invalidates what I voted for.

And when the candidate publicly only holds a policy long enough to get my vote, and then changes his position once he has it, the candidate should be indicted for election fraud.

Obama doesn't even want to go that far. He wants the right to change his policy at any time, without penalty, and yet still keep your vote. He's not running so that we, the people, can express how we feel about certain policies. He's running for his own sake, strictly to be affirmed as a popular person. Nobody minds a little ego, or a cocky self-confidence, but not at the cost of treating our votes as his personal property.

The media keeps saying that this election is all about Obama. NO IT ISN'T! This election, like every other election, has to be about us.

Well said KC..I agree with

Well said KC..I agree with that 100%. Fortunatly for us, the Obamassiah does not see this election as an election FOR the people of this great country, but only about HIM. The Clintons were alot like this, but they pulled it off much better.

 

 

 "...white folk's greed runs a world in need."  Barack Obama

There may be hope for us after all....

Poll: Nearly half hearing too much about Obama

WASHINGTON - Barack Obama may be the fresh face in this year's presidential election, but nearly half say they're already tired of hearing about him, a poll says.

With Election Day still three months away, 48 percent said they're hearing too much about the Democratic candidate, according to a poll released Wednesday by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center. Just 26 percent said the same about his Republican rival, John McCain.

...nearly four in 10 said they've been hearing too little about McCain — about four times the number who said so about Obama. About half of Republicans, four in 10 independents and even a quarter of Democrats said they've not heard enough about the GOP candidate.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080806/ap_on_el_pr/poll_obama_overexposure

Now whether or not there should be more coverage of McCain is another question entirely, but I digress.

Osama Bama overexposed?

Aw, c'mon! Obamessiah can't be overexposed! After all, he IS the creator of the universe, savior of the black community, lord king of flip-floppers - and can't give a speech without a teleprompter.

Hmmm - maybe he isn't perfect, after all!

"We're all bozos on this bus!" - Firesign Theatre

This pantywaist is a class A

This pantywaist is a class A wussy.  Even a Rino like McCain should be able wipe the floor with this thin-skinned weenie!

Perhaps the Obama campign

Perhaps the Obama campign should worry less about the color of his skin and more about the thinness of it.

McNotObama '08

great line!!

He keeps proving how thin skinned he is....

Do as I say not as I do

"John, don't put words in my mouth or anticipate what I am going to do."

And above all, don't call me on anticipating that John McCain is going to play the race card.  That's a fact, you maverick.

Sudden thought: if BO's got a time machine that allows him to "know" McCain's going to play the race card, why doesn't he use it to go back in time and fix all the things that make him & Michelle ashamed of this country?  Just wondering...

 

 

Slick Barry makes Slick

Slick Barry makes Slick Willy look like a rank amateur. It's getting to where I can't watch this man without getting physically ill. Maybe I should unplug my computer and TV until after November.

God help this country.

OBAMA IS THE ULTIMATE HYPOCRITE.......READ THIS GEM, GUYS

SEN. OBAMA: John, don't put words in my mouth or anticipate what I am going to do.

Isn't that exactly what he did when he said that McCain would scare us by reminding us that he's black.

Obama can do anything he wants, Obama the Magic Negro...don't dare question him..for if you do....you are a proxy, a racist, asking personal attacks!

P.S. OOOPS I see ipswichfan beat me to it

 

 

 

 

Do you really?????

Do you really expect a know nothing to participate in a debate without the questions in a can and the answers on his teleprompter?

Hussein O is not smart enought to hold his own in open debate, he knows it, his talking heads behind the curtain know it,  and the Lame Stream Media know it. So why re-enforce the proof that he's a dummy so more of the public will know it?

 

Old, Retired and glad of it.

Temper, temper there

Temper, temper there Obama...

You are showing your true colors.

....and the msm says McCain is the one with the temper.

Seems Obama is a little thin-skinned eh?

What a wussy.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Trussssssssssst In Meeeeeeeeeee.

The only thing thinner than Obama's skin is his resume.

I really am beginning to dislike everything about this fraud.

Starting with his phony baloney accents, delivered with that awful speaking voice which ends every rambling sentence with a sibilant esssssssss.

He reminds me of the snake in The Jungle Book. "Trussssssst in Meeeeeeeeee."

NO thanks. NObama. I have to deflate the volume whenever he speaks.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

Jack... You and me both

Jack...

You and me both with his phony accents...he is so obvious depending on where he is speaking.

That too is getting old and very irritating.

He is so egotistical he thinks nobody notices this because he gets zilch for criticism for this, those on the right are afraid of being called racists...the left will never mention anything derogatory when it comes to their messiah...

But they all didn't mind doing it to Hillary, as they should of, because it was ridiculously funny, plus so blatant. 

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Yahweh?

Barry says "...I, who am adamantly opposed to it,..". Sounds suspiciously similar to "I am, Who am". Could it possibly be? Oh my!

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

Obama can't handle the heat

I guess this means Obama isn't going on the O'reily Factor?

Wow!...Obama showed amazing

Wow!...Obama showed amazing restraint by only referring to Ralston as a McCain proxy.  The tone, phrasing, and content of those questions displayed breathtaking rudeness, bias, and disrespect toward a presidential candidate.  That was shocking.

Jer

Jer... Are you

Jer...

Are you serious?

He is asked very much needed questions about his positions on the number one issue in this country at the moment... that Obama keeps changing on and you think Ralston was rude, biased and disrespectful...

Please say you are joking....

Otherwise I find your post shocking.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

bt...not joking, sorry

bt...not joking, sorry you're shocked.  See my response to motherbelt below for further explanation.

Jer

Jer...I read your

Jer...

I read your response to mb awhile ago.

If wussified, msm protected, babied Barry can't take the heat...he won't ever be in that Kitchen. 

I'm not going to bother going in a back and forth with you today.

Others will.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Well I PRAY you are joking, jer.

Obama's arrogance is so very reminiscent of Hillary answering reporter's questions.  I thought the media might tire of his rudeness.   Apparently not. 

Wow, Jer, you shock

Wow, Jer, you shock easily.

breathtaking rudeness, bias, and disrespect toward a presidential candidate.? (emphasis mine)

That was nothing compared to what President Bush puts up with on a regular basis from the Press Corps.

If Obama can't take a little heat now...how would he....oh, nevermind, they would never treat him the way way they treat President Bush.

In Jers defense MB

he's just not used to seeing the media favored candidate have some tough questions to answer. There's been 8 years of a media that only asks tough questions to Republicans. Jer and others are not used to seeing it with any on the left alone their messiah.

Of course once again - when there is a tough question, it comes form the standpoint of not being left enough. No one asked him how stupid his policy was when he was against any drilling.

Dee...There is a huge

Dee...There is a huge difference between "tough" and "insulting".  I am fine with the former, but not the latter.

Jer

Jer - how was he insulting?

if you thought this was insulting then you should find just about every interview of a Republican insulting.

Sorry - I don't mean to be piling on here - I know it gets hard to answer everyone when we all feel strongly about something. Liberals really have no clue what we have to put up with from the media though. This type of questioning is mild in comparison to what our candidates face. You just don't see it because you don't like our candidates. It's understandable.

I apologize for jumping in

I apologize for jumping in here, but I just reread the exchange and for the life of me, I don't see any startingly rude behavior to which Jer refers.
The reporter seems to get more edgy after being accused of being McCain's proxy, but I don't see any offensive names or words used. Reporters almost always question Republican candidates, including McCain, from the left's point of view, why should it be surprising (and frankly, it is) when a reporter questions Obama a little from the right?
I think Obama was surprised by a local reporter asking more pointed questions than "How does it feel to be the Democratic presidential nominee?" and lashed out with his proxy comment. Anyone, other than a milquetoast, would have a tendency to get a little testy in return.

McNotObama '08

Chris - you can jump in any time -

your comments are always welcome. I agree 100%. I've noticed that even here in Chicago, the local reporters don't treat him as much like the messiah as the National media does. I think they are still biased and love him as much, but they are more professional or something.

There is this reporter here and I'm drawing a blank on his name but he was like Chris Matthews with excitement over Obama and even he does some tough stories on him. I think the National media are too concerned with what celebrities think of them. Celebrities don't harass local media in the same way.

Dee...

You just don't see it because you don't like our candidates. It's understandable.

I don't dislike John McCain.  At this point, I don't think he is the better candidate, however.

Apparently, you overlooked my posts several months ago where I stated several times that I would vote for any Republican candidate instead of Hillary, or for Romney over Hillary or Obama, or where I commented on my disappointment with Obama as the Democratic nominee.

I guess those revelations conflicted with your cariacature of me, and you therefore ignored or dismissed them.

Jer

If that's really true Jer - then I'm completely baffled

It makes no sense what so ever how you could think that this treatment of Obama was out of line when I've never seen you complain about much worse treatment of Bush, Cheny, McCain and Romney for that matter. I'm sure you could have complained and I just missed it so maybe you could give me a few examples.

Dee...Unlike you, I have

Dee...Unlike you, I have been condemning the uncivil behavior and personal attacks from both sides of the political spectrum since my first day at NewsBusters nearly14 months ago.  It's all there in the archives in plain sight--have at it.

Jer

Dee

Just so you know, the "NewsBusters Archive Library" is located on the 7th Floor. You'll need your I.D., of course, and you'll be given a rather large, heavy encyclopedia-esque book for reference, as well as a floor diagram to guide you through the maze of various topics.

Bring a sandwich and something to drink, while you're at it.

Good luck, and happy archive hunting!

 

* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change

Shy - thanks ffor the info

and tips. I'm sure if you know anything about me, it's that I don't spend my time looking through archives trying to "get" people. I love your comment (if I'm taking it the right way) because it fits my thoughts on the subject. ; )

 

 

DB

"I love your comment (if I'm taking it the right way) "

You're taking it the right way.

(or I'm 99% sure you are.... :p) 

 

* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change

Okay Dee and Shy....I'll

Okay Dee and Shy....I'll spend several hours and go through the archives [just like I did when you (Dee) falsely accused me of ganging up on and attacking Warner], and at some point soon I'll show you plenty of examples.

Apparently, you're too lazy or irresponsible to do it yourself.  You would just rather throw out untrue charges, and make baseless insinuations with no evidence, in an effort to discredit me with others.  You should be very proud of yourself. 

Jer

some training for Jer

Haven't you learned the steps to the NB dance by now? Watch closely:

Subject A: You have a really bad habit of ______.

Subject B: Wha? No I don't.

Subject A: Sure you do.

B: Since when?

A: [rolls eyes] Since ever.

B: Prove it.

A: Are you kidding? Have you seen our archives?

B: So you're saying we'll just have to take your word for an accusation because the evidence is conveniently too hard to find?

A: Hey, you want vindication, go read the archives yourself.

B: But you're the one who asserted something about me!

A: I so don't have time for this. Later chump.

 

This delicate dance is employed on NB by many people from all across political lines.

Tracking button...

Haven't you guys seen the neat little tracking button that shows up when you click a members name?  Seriously.

WEhen you get to the profile, the is a track button that allows you to look up all of the posters posts.  Easy as pie.

Or maybe I missed something here......

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe. - Albert Einstein

um...timothy

The archive search allows you to look up specific conversations by narrowing your field to something like "Jer reporter attack Bush" - which would (in theory) show you all NB threads involving a reporter being hostile toward the president that Jer engaged.

This is supposed to be a more precise way to search for information, but there is so much content on NB (half a dozen new threads a day) that the searches often come back bloated.

As for the track device, it's great to look up a thread you already have in mind but can't really help you find a certain conversation.

Candance....

Actually, if I am in an argument with someone, over something I know was posted by a member, I have found the tracker to be the easiest way to find that info, due to the falible nature of the archives.  For example, if you and I were arguing over a post that I believed you left, concerning the use of old hats as energy, I would just track your posts, and pick it out, or not, depending on who was right.

I have found the arcxhives to be more frustrating than helpful.  But te tracking still doesn't do you much good if you cannot remember either who, combined with either the when or where.

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe. - Albert Einstein

Hey TimH... Long time no

Hey TimH...

Long time no see...where ya' been stranger.

Just wanted to throw in that you just taught me a boat load.

Thanks...more than you know.

 "America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Tim...

Because the archives are so frustrating, I really enjoy refering liberals to it when they ask a dumb question, or a question that has been covered. 

When they complain they can't find anything there, I just tell them to keep looking... hehehehe!

45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm

Candance - I guess you don't generally trust people as much

as I do. I don't need Jer to search through the archives. He can just bring up the circumstances and I would believe him. I probably shouldn't trust people as much, I've been burned by that. I know of one person who lies regularly by selectively using the archives. I don't have time for it and don't expect anyone to use it. If they can't think of an example off the top of their head then they probably won't find one in the archives either. It really would make zero sense for me to look for something that I didn't think was there.

I can't be here all the time and if Jer called out some reporters for their interview treatment of Bush, McCain or Romney I could have missed it. Heck, he doesn't even have to give me prior examples, he could just say now that he thought Romney, Bush, Cheney and McCain have shown great restraint and were treated very unfairly by the press.
My experience is that I usually see him sticking up for liberals. That is all I have to go on - what I actually see. I don't have time and I'm surprised that anyone does have time to read everything that goes on here.

it's all good Dee

Some of us are sticklers for tangible proof, others want to debate and let words stand for themselves.

You're correct though about me not trusting people. It's just the way I am - show me the goods or don't show up. Like you say there are some people here who make up stories or use the lousy archives to hide something.

Others are more laid back and would rather let the conservation flow. We all have our own method of debate. ;-)

Yeah Candance - I agree

I've also seen first hand people edit their comments after the fact. I find that very dishonest also. I only edit mine for spelling errors and typos that I notice - never content unless I say "edit" and explain (like you did below).

It really never dawned on me that people would stoop to that but I've seen it happen.

there's yer problem

To borrow an old proverb from the police, you gotta start thinking like a criminal. There's no telling what some people will do to win an argument - as in some cases their career might depend on it.

Thus I've grown to where I require all assertions backed up with either real footage from YouTube, an actual link to a former thread, or a reliable news source - and to be fair I hold myself to the same. It's not about calling someone a liar, it's just being consistent.

 

Apparently, you're too lazy

Apparently, you're too lazy or irresponsible to do it yourself.

Can't argue with you on that one.

You would just rather throw out untrue charges, and make baseless insinuations with no evidence, in an effort to discredit me with others.

Not at all, but we do enjoy when you get all flustered like this.

You should be very proud of yourself.

I am.

Now "go go go!" (as my old, annoying boss would say to me before I embarked on a new project....) 

Btw, lighten up, Jer. No one's twisting your arm to do anything. But NB's archive is, well, mamouth. And don't you think, with you having your own account access and Jer-tracking capabilities, are the best person to rummage through NB's history for, um, Jer posts? Seems logical to me. 

 

 

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edit

comment edited.

Move along. Nothing to see.

candance

Just got word that Jer might be leaving us... NB, that is.

 

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Mr Shy - because of this?

Wow. That is really too bad. I actually think Jer is one of the better liberals here.

oops

I was just told to keep this on the "d.l." :p  

 

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wow Shy

Starting off that NY Times career with a bang!

candance

Yeah, I know :p

Btw, you posted something great the other day, but I'll be up all night looking for it... I'm no Jer. ( :p )

Btw, I just posted a good one to flashqueen.... not sure what thread (I'm forgetting) but just posted it. Yeah, I'm really lazy on this site :) 

 

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c'mon Shy

Now you're just being obnoxious.

:x

Dang I wish we had a broader range of smileys here.

Yeah I saw you over there giving it to flash.

Geez...we're terrible...talking in one thread about our exploits in another. We seriously need to get lives!

Motherbelt, I have no

Motherbelt, I have no problem with hard-hitting questions designed to pin down a politician's position.  Those are entirely appropriate--regardless of the ideology of the person addressed.  I do have a problem with obnoxious, mocking questions meant to provoke, insult and embarrass--again, regardless of the recipient's ideology. 

I believe Ralston's questions definitely fall within that later category:

This energy story seems to be changing every day, I want to make sure I have it straight....You want to compromise on energy, so you don't really favor drilling but for political reasons you are going to change your position[Then, mocking Obama's campaign theme, Ralston adds]  This is change we can believe in?  [my emphasis throughout] 

And, later...

I'll ask you...you say tit for tat, you talked in your whole campaign about rising above politics as usual.  You yourself also know there is a fine line between flip-flopping and flexibility on policy.  [Followed by this sarcastic gem] Maybe if there is a crisis in the future with nuclear waste storage, maybe you will just say to the Nevadans, well I was against Yucca Mountain but guess what, now I am for it. [my emphasis]

Show me some examples of similar questioning of Bush, and I'll be more than happy to condemn them, too.  [By the way, I thought Dan Rather's questions to George H. W. Bush on the CBS evening news years ago were way out of line, and applauded the way then President Bush put Rather in his place.]

Jer

again I respectfully disagree

This reporter is from Nevada and obviously cares a great deal about the future of his state.

I like you put flip-flopping in bold even though the reporter never called it that and was agreeing with Obama that there is a fine distinction. And yes, in all fairness, Obama's energy policy does indeed seem to be morphing on a daily basis, so he's pointing out the obvious.

There was a definite chill in his voice, I will grant you that. But the questions were legit, and if Obama wants to be president he needs to thicken up that skin.

Asking the reporter to tone down the hostility is one thing. But calling him a lackey for McCain is quite another. Obama showed that he can't imagine a world where someone would dislike him unless they were McCain supporters.

candance...sure I put the

candance...sure I put the flip-flopping term in bold.  Based on the other statements Ralston made, is there any doubt he didn't intend for the words to apply to Obama's behavior.  C'mon...I know you are not that naive.

I'll repeat:  One can be tough without being insulting.  Every bit of pertinent information sought by Ralston could have been adduced without the mockery and provocation.

By the way, Obama referred to him as a "proxy"--not a "lackey".  There's a difference.

Jer

well Jer

I've already said I agree with you that the reporter was indeed being hostile. As to the remark about flip flopping, given how confrontational Ralston was it seems he would have just called it that straight out if he wanted to. He specifically said that there was a difference.

As to Obama calling Ralston a proxy (sorry for the quick use of lackey) IMO this is where Obama goes too far. Instead of saying "wow this is a really hostile interview" Obama's first instinct was to insinuate Ralston sounded just like McCain.

This is the big issue many of us have here...Ralston had the nerve to argue with him so obviously he was parroting John McCain. Stuff like this only adds to his reputation as a manipulator - oh this reporter doesn't like me because he's in the tank for McCain.

candance...at the risk of

candance...at the risk of belaboring the point, will you reread Ralstons's words one more time, especially the following:  The energy story seems to be changing every day....for political reasons you are going to change your position.  This is change we can believe in Senator?....maybe you'll just say...well I was against Yucca Mountain but guess what, now I am for it.

Now, do you honestly Ralston was characterizing the foregoing as mere policy flexibility as opposed to flip-flopping?

Jer

let's break this down

The energy story seems to be changing every day

Fact. Democrats are currently changing their story faster than McDonald's changes their fry grease.

for political reasons you are going to change your position.\

Again another fact. Obama himself said that he was relenting on domestic drilling not because he really believed in it, but because it was gaining bipartisan support and he wanted to get credit for a compromise. That's a political reason.

This is change we can believe in Senator?..

I admit that this is a snarky comment, but there's a grain of truth here. He promised no domestic drilling and now he's caving to pressure. If he'll do it on one issue how can we be sure he actually plans on changing DC? Obama sees an issue where the polls are heavily against his position and the GOP is getting the upper hand - so he relents into going along to score political points as a compromiser. Sounds like age old politics to me and a far cry from change his supporters can believe in.

maybe you'll just say...well I was against Yucca Mountain but guess what, now I am for it.

Why not? That's precisely what he's done on domestic drilling.

Ralston specifically asked him to explain how his change of mind was not a flip flop, and Obama gave a very political answer. One can only draw the conclusion that he changed his mind to advance a political image. Thus Obama left the ball firmly in Ralston's court and then started whining when he didn't like the conversation.

Wait, but Candance, didn't

Wait, but Candance, didn't you hear what Obama referred to it as toward the end? They had a "debate", not a "conversation".

:p

Hey Jer, are you really planning on voting for this dirty (from his litany of close associations with slimy and racist friends and politicians), no-nothing, charlatan, rock star of a candidate? 

 

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Jer,

I don't remember you condemning this exchange so vehemently. I guess I just missed it.

(Unfortunately, the video is no longer available, but the transcript is there.)

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

restless

"We are in a global struggle against thugs and killers. And the United States of America has got to continue to take the lead.... And so, yes, I mean, look -- is it tough? Yes, it's tough. Is it difficult? Absolutely. Is it worth the fight? In my judgment, yes, it is."

Is Bush THE man, or what?

Yes, I have a man crush. 

 

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Shy,

The NYT huh? Not sure I should be talking to you. ;>)

Just kidding.Congrats.

I thought Bush did a great job throughout that exchange.

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Mr Shy

Thank goodness you are not married or we would be having it out now.

Restless...I hadn't seen

Restless...I hadn't seen the video, and this was my first reading of the transcript.  I agree, the reporter appears to be unnecessarily persistent, rude and disrespectful, and I think Bush had a right to react as he did--just as I believe Obama reacted appropriately.

By the way, have you disavowed the debunked anti-Obama email smear which you posted the other night?

Jer

Jer, if a canditate changes

Jer, if a canditate changes his postions they should be questioned.  In fact the questions were not rude or out of line, but Obama's "McCain proxy" sure was.  No insults just questions you objected to be cause it meant Obama had to answer honestly which he did not.  Something you are very familiar with. 

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Familiar with what, Dan? 

Familiar with what, Dan?  C'mon, don't be scared...spit it out, son.

Jer

Show me some examples of


Show me some examples of similar questioning of Bush, and I'll be more than happy to condemn them, too.

Well just watch any Bush press conference and condemn away, Jer.

I don't keep track, but I'm sure you would agree that many of the questions President Bush receives are downright hostile and belligerent. Helen Thomas comes immediately to mind, and she's only there as a courtesy, not by right.

Also the reporter who asked him to say we are in a recession, because many Americans believe that we are.

Obama's main tactic when he is cornered and doesn't have an answer is to strike back and attack the question as illegitimate: a "distraction" or "old -style politics" or something Americans "are tired of."

Yeah Jer, he showed amazing

Yeah Jer, he showed amazing restraint.

He should have wagged his finger at the reporter and told him to wipe that "little smirk" off his face. The nerve of that guy, doing a "hit job" on Obama like that.

I'm appalled.

Can't speak to what shocked

Can't speak to what shocked you, but for the first time in my life I was proud of a CBS reporter for asking a Dem a question that had some substance.

 "Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"

Buff.... Same

Buff....

Same here...

Wonder if he is going to be able to keep his job or just get a warning...maybe somebody here from the area that knows this guys work and his show can fill us in more.

Nevertheless...he is what reporters/journalists are supposed to be...for both sides of the aisle.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

come Jer

Like the others on here have noted, such hostility is routinely given to conservie and Republican politicians. It brings to mind Helen Thomas accusing Bush of war crimes, Tim Russert pulling a major gotcha on Hillary, or David Shuster laughing out loud while interviewing a McCain staffer.

Obama has done some major recalibrating on his drilling stance and the issue deserves tough questions.

I'm sorry but I have no sympathy for Obama. At least he wasn't ambushed with a phone call from one of his enemies on live TV. After months and months of watching him get treated like a rock star and hearing journalists talk about him with almost sexual excitment, I do admit to a wicked delight in watching someone have the gall to argue with him.

And last, Obama has officially landed on his defense for all criticism - you're either racist or a lackey for the Republicans. He's getting really good at attacking all of his critics.

candance...I completely

candance...I completely agree with you about Helen Thomas and Bush.  She should have retired years ago.  Tim Russert pulled major 'gotchas' on everybody, but was never mocking or disrespectful.   Interviewing a campaign staffer is an entirely different kettle of fish.

Jer

BHO should have loved those questions

Sorry, Jer, it was BHO who was rude and condescending, not the host.  BHO should have taken this opportunity to tell Ralston's whole audience the difference between him and McCain.  That was, after all, what Ralston was asking.  BHO's commercials and speeches will focus on this very precise point.

It could have been a 5-minute unpaid advertisement.  Instead, BHO looked like a effete snob, which is precisely the charge conservatives have against him.

Wow!...Ralston showed amazing restraint

Wow!...Ralston showed amazing restraint when shockingly referred to as a
McCain proxy by Obama, simply for asking tough questions. The tone, phrasing, and content of those questions displayed breathtaking relentlessness for the truth and the bias and disrespect toward Ralston by a presidential candidate was shocking.

The answer to terrorism IS war. Next Please!

GAT...Once again:  Tough

GAT...Once again:  Tough and probing--fine.  Snide and mocking--not so fine.  Obama's reaction to Ralston was no more unwarranted than Bush's to the reporter in the news conference episode linked by Restless earlier in the thread.

I'm curious, where would you draw the line of propriety with Ralston's questioning of Obama?  How about, "Senator, why do you hate the military and despise America?  Fair game?

Jer

Accusing Ralston of being a

Accusing Ralston of being a proxy was across the line. Ralston was tough, Ralston was persistent and notably provocative, but that is HIS style and Obama noted that. But what you are failing to give credence to is what FORCED OBAMA to make this accusation. Here is what Ralston presented to Obama and it was AFTER this that Obama makes the accusation:

___________________________________________________

RALSTON: I guess what the American people want to know though Senator,
is what is the real difference between you and John McCain. You are
running this ad tying him to the industry saying that he has taken all
of these contributions, but as you well know there is a story out today
about how you supported the Dick Cheney bill and he opposed it. That
bill gave subsidies to the oil and gas companies, John McCain opposed
the bill saying those are tax breaks for those companies, Barack Obama
favored it.

__________________________________________________

Show me the snideness or the mockery here. There is none. And remember, this is the question and challenge that Obama responded to in calling Ralston a PROXY.

Ralston asked what the difference was between him and McCain. Then he addresses the contradiction between Obama's ad tying McCain to oil and Obama's own vote that gave subsidies to the oil and gas companies.

That was a legitimate question and legitimate confrontation of standards by Ralston to Obama.

The fact is Obama got caught and couldn't answer. He was frustrated and lashed out. Now it is true he later tried to answer the question but IN NO WAY did RALSTON intimate or accuse Obama of being unscrupulous. What he did was present TWO seeming CONTRADICTIONS. But remember, Ralston asked Obama to tell him and the audience the difference.

This is a reporter's job. Reporters uncover information, they report. They ask hard questions. There was NO TONE of mocking before Obama accused Ralston of being a proxy. Nothing in his question or the challenging contradiction gave the tone of mocking. The tone was of insistence that it be answered and that the Ralston was serious, yes. But that is within the boundaries.

But AFTER OBAMA accused Ralston of being a proxy, sure Ralston might have introduced a certain element of disdain and mockery toward Obama. But still it wasn't in his questions but in his disgust about being a "proxy". He had every right to defend such a baseless and immature charge.

But look at the question that enraged Obama. HE invited Obama to explain the difference and challenged him with a vote that appeared to contradict his painting McCain in bed with big oil while he, himself voted to subsidize big oil and gas. Yes, I know he claims that the vote was because the bill had other benefits and this was the devil he had to accept but that is irrelevant to our discussion here. The point again is that the very question that enraged Obama in no way was snide, mocking or biased but aggressive, challenging and factual.

 

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Well said GAT

Bush never said that the reporter was a Democrat party proxy and you are right the disdain started after Obama rudely accused him of being a McCain proxy.

GAT...I'll concede that the

GAT...I'll concede that the question which directly preceded the "proxy" remark, was the most straightforward, and least objectionable of the three quoted. 

However, I suspect that Obama was still smarting from the initial question, which, in my opinion, was couched in a highly inappropriate manner.  The very same question could have been asked, eliciting the same information, without Ralston resorting to insult and sarcasm.

And, of course, Ralston then upped the mockery ante even further with his final query.

Jer  

Jer, this is BHO under pressure

"I suspect that Obama was still smarting from the initial question. . . ."

So, Jer, this is BHO under pressure--and just a very little bit.  So how is he going to react when he's under the pressures of the Oval Office?

 

As an aside, conservatives are constantly put on the defense by hostile reporters.  The successful ones learn to deal with it in different ways.  Reagan usually turned the situation into a joke, George Bush seems to ignore it and do what he wants.  But they learn to cope.  BHO is rarely challenged and so he hasn't learned to cope, which is why he comes off as an effete snob in the end.

That's a good point, WD...

That's a good point, WD...but one which also might reasonably be raised regarding McCain, who reportedly, is quick to temper and has even had physical confrontations on the Senate floor.

More reasons why I'm not too excited about either of these guys.

Jer

I agree with you there Jer

I'm not excited about either of them.

...Count me in on

...Count me in on that...

Past sad too... 

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

wow look at this

Every on of us agrees on something!

*group hug*

It's a miracle, but we agree: They both suck

This is 1972 redux--Hold your nose and vote.

Speech impediment?

What's with the whis(sh)tle?  He sounds like Gopher from the Winnie the Pooh cartoons.  Couldn't the campaign spring for a little dental work?

EDIT: Oh, wait...was that racist? Gopher is brown, after all.

Why shouldn't Barack Hussein

Why shouldn't Barack Hussein be angry? He has been impaled on the truth again without a prescripted answer. It's just not fair.

Excellent, coco. "impaled

Excellent, coco. "impaled on the truth..."

I like that one.

Although I don't think for

Although I don't think for a moment that this reporter was Sen. McCain's proxy, it would make sense. Big "O" won't debate Sen. McCain in person, why not send in a proxy under the cover of a press-pass?

Fascism is a religious conception in which man is seen in his imminent relationship with a superior law and with an objective will that transcends the particular individual - Mussolini