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Open Thread By NB Staff (Bio \| Archive) July 30, 2008 - 10:48 ET For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: Obama tells Dems Israel is about to attack Iran? Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, met with House Democrats yesterday, talking about his trip abroad and his observations. Obama told the caucus, according to an attendee, "Nobody said this to me directly but I get the feeling from my talks that if the sanctions don’t work Israel is going to strike Iran." Is this an appropriate thing for Obama to tell House Democrats? Thoughts? 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Viewing options Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes. I don't feel it is wrong July 30, 2008 - 10:53 ET by shawn228 If that is the feeling that he got, there is nothing wrong with him telling fellow Democrats his opinion. If he does win the general election he needs to strategize on how to handle the situation if the attack does happen. Real life video games are cool Login or register to post comments Email this page Motive? July 30, 2008 - 11:30 ET by ChuckM from PA Except motive? Look at me! I went to Israel and now I have the answers! I know what is going on! I have this great intution, which makes it important for you to hear what I have to say. Login or register to post comments Email this page The point your missing is July 30, 2008 - 11:34 ET by bradbenj5952 The point you're missing is that Obama making this statement is like him going into a session of Congressional Dems to let them know the sky is blue. Israel is perhaps the only country left in the world that has the chutzpa to apply real solutions to real problems. They will be doing the rest of us a favor. How should we respond? Help them in any way we can. "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." Acts 16:31 Login or register to post comments Email this page By pointing out the obvious, July 30, 2008 - 13:13 ET by ChuckM from PA By pointing out the obvious, the way he did (having a gut feeling) is his way of saying that he has great insight (even if he is only fooling himself) and you watch, if it comes true, he will be the first to say, I told you so. Now if it was something that isn't so obvious, he would be taking a chance of being considered a "nut case"; so he chooses a safe item for broadcasting his prophetic abilities. Login or register to post comments Email this page "Nobody said this to me July 30, 2008 - 11:02 ET by ckc1227 "Nobody said this to me directly but I get the feeling from my talks that if the sanctions don’t work Israel is going to strike Iran." You had to travel to Israel to figure that out? Login or register to post comments Email this page Real Duh... like Obama is July 30, 2008 - 11:07 ET by Dan The Man 2 Real Duh... like Obama is telling these clowns something taht hasn't been around for a long while. I have been hearing on FNC that Israel may strike Iran before President Bush leaves office. Supposedly bnecause President Bush will be more sympathetic to allow Israel to cross Iraqi airspace. Ohh wait I forgot he is talking to the kids who ride the short bus. Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. Login or register to post comments Email this page If the sanctions don't July 30, 2008 - 11:08 ET by DontFeedTheTrolls If the sanctions don't work, that means Iran will continue to work towards building a nuclear arsenal which they have vowed to use to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Why wouldn't Israel attack Iran if that were the case? D Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps. Login or register to post comments Email this page "Nobody said this to me July 30, 2008 - 11:09 ET by bassndude "Nobody said this to me directly but I get the feeling from my talks that if the sanctions don’t work Israel is going to strike Iran." After a visit to Israel, Obama is now an astute observer of international attitudes. Clairvoyant to the extent that he can see Israel attacking Iran, instead of wating for Iran to nuke Israel. What a startling revelation. </sarc/> Save a SeAL, club a liberal!! Login or register to post comments Email this page Good news for Obama is he July 30, 2008 - 11:12 ET by Apache Good news for Obama is he is running against McCain who is a 'climate change' sheep and kissing Pelosi's rear. Pelosi is as popular as head lice and here we see McCain praising her. That makes him look like an isolated Washington insider. Plus acting as a 'climate change' sheep (what happened to Global Warming) doesn't make him a 'maverick'. Login or register to post comments Email this page Stop your McCain hate July 31, 2008 - 01:28 ET by Daniel Baker John McCain 2008 Protect Traditional Marriage Traditional Marriage is not "Divisive" Obama. Login or register to post comments Email this page Well said, Apache. July 31, 2008 - 01:34 ET by R D Helm The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz Login or register to post comments Email this page feelings - nothing more than feelings July 30, 2008 - 11:12 ET by kdizzydaze Feelings - pretty much sums up the democrats and liberals to a tee. This is almost a Ted Stryker love scene moment (as in the movie Airplane?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have to leave on a secret bombing mission honey. Where are you going? Me and the boys are heading over to Iran, we are going to bomb their nuclear facilites to ensure they cannot build a nuclear bomb. We are flying in at 3AM and coming in low from the North to avoid their radar. When will you be back? I can't tell you that, it's classified. Login or register to post comments Email this page eh July 30, 2008 - 11:13 ET by candance I can't say I'm surprised by this. Saying you think Israel might hit Iran is like saying you suspect Rush Limbaugh might make fun of Obama today. The real story will come with what happens next. How does Obama feel about it and what are his plans? Login or register to post comments Email this page hard to tell C August 1, 2008 - 21:04 ET by shawn228 The more I am finding out about Obama, the more weary I am getting. Real life video games are cool Login or register to post comments Email this page Playing chicken July 30, 2008 - 11:14 ET by KC Mulville The only way to play chicken is to present a credible threat. If you say you're going to retaliate, you have to retaliate exactly as you say you will. In chicken, the trick is to be the first to issue the threat. The opponent has to believe that you're willing to carry out your threat. Israel's attitude is that if Iran goes nuclear, they're going to attack Israel anyway. Whether they send the missiles now or later, therefore, is irrelevant. That's a credible threat. If we were playing a different game, Obama's popping off to his colleagues might be terribly inappropriate. But this is chicken, and whether he intended it or not, Obama's statement reinforces the credibility of Israel's threat. I'm skeptical that Obama did this intentionally, or realized the effect it would have. But from a strategic standpoint, I'm glad he said it. Login or register to post comments Email this page KC, Israel has, in a July 30, 2008 - 11:24 ET by bassndude KC, Israel has, in a discreete manner, said that they would not wait for Iran to gain nukes before they strike. I do belive the whole world knows this. The fact that Obama is just now catching up, should be scary. The guy is a moron. Save a SeAL, club a liberal!! Login or register to post comments Email this page True but ... July 30, 2008 - 12:17 ET by KC Mulville Frankly, if I wanted to send a message to Iran, this would be the perfect message. Think of the strategic implications of what Obama said: The US is preparing for when the Israelis will strike. The US isn't going to stop Israel. The issue is in Iran's control; if they stop, the Israelis will. Part of the fun in playing chicken is not only trying to guess what your opponent will do, but also how everyone around you will play their hands. Everyone believes that Israel will strike, true, but here we're sending a message how the US will respond. No sanctions. No pre-launch warnings. We're not even going to pretend. If Iran keeps going, we're not going to stop Israel from attacking. But at the same time, the game is Iran's to control. If they stop, there will be peace. Do I think Obama perceived those implications, and spoke carefully to produce that result? No. I think he was just popping off, trying to sound as if he knew what he was talking about. But the result worked out. And forgive me for beating this dead horse: Israel and Iran may not be "talking," but they're sure as hell negotiating, aren't they? The game didn't stop just because the diplomats aren't meeting. Clearly, this game is in full play. So when you hear the Democrats say that we have to talk with our enemies, remember the difference between talking and negotiating. Like Israel, we're negotiating all the time, even when we aren't talking. Login or register to post comments Email this page yeah KC July 30, 2008 - 11:25 ET by candance I do find it interesting that within the same week Brian Williams is interviewing Ahmadenijad on prime time TV and Obama is in the Senate saying Iran is about to get hit. You're right. It only makes Israel look all the more serious that Obama could feel it in the air. Obama's not a Reagan or a Bush, someone who believes in swift confrontation. For him to say that means it's pretty serious. Login or register to post comments Email this page What is most concerning is July 30, 2008 - 11:22 ET by bradbenj5952 What is most concerning is that with Obama's "vast international diplomatic experience", he's just now figuring this out! My first thought was, "and this is news, how?" I can see the other Dems suddenly turning frantic: "We didn't know this, we must do something! Quick, someone call another session of Congress so we can pass yet another useless law or resolution or something to deal with this new situation!" "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." Acts 16:31 Login or register to post comments Email this page well brad July 30, 2008 - 11:32 ET by candance As much as it pains me to stick up for Obama (my fingers are trying to revolt as I type this) I don't think this is really where Obama just now figured out Israel would do something. IMO this was prolly more where Obama was physically over there where he could feel the urgency up close and personal. He comes home and tells his friends "look yall this thing for real." We all understand the situation as well, but if we stood in Jerusalem it would probably affect us more deeply ourselves. Login or register to post comments Email this page I've been watching Israel a July 30, 2008 - 12:11 ET by bradbenj5952 I've been watching Israel a long time and know a little about the end-time prophecies regarding how Israel will be treated by the world in these last days and ultimately attacked. And since our Lord gave us such an accurate picture of these times ignorance is inexcusable. For a good presentation of an important prophetic passage, see: http://www.youtube.c... "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." Acts 16:31 Login or register to post comments Email this page And now, today's Shrub July 30, 2008 - 11:27 ET by Roger the Shrubber And now, today's Shrub Report®: It wasn't just a scene from "Cold Mountain", and it happened on this date. Today's episode of "Frankie Willson's Only Right-Wingers Burn Books!" When Poultry Attacks! Obviously Chimpy McHitler did this by using the "Soylent Green" approach… So the political party who wants to control more and more of our lives cannot even put on a convention without going millions in the hole? Talk about foreshadowing. Folks, it's the sage advice like this that has made teamster thug Fast Eddie Rendell the greatest governor in the USA! Why won't Rezko just go away? Good news: Iraq can now participate in the Olympics! I thought Iran was not trying to build nuclear weapons? Jim Webb aide found perished with a bullet in his head. Let the conspiracy theories commence! It's time, once again, for Jihadi Bloopers! A bonus episode! You know, it might be time to stop sending Pakistan money and start treating them like a red-headed step-child. Today's Party of Peace Update. Today's Religion of Peace Update. And, finally, Congress apologizes for slavery. Login or register to post comments Email this page Great report Shrub. I got July 30, 2008 - 12:09 ET by dbo Great report Shrub. I got one addition. Lord Monckton eats Gavin Schmidt for breakfast, lunch and dinner. http://scienceandpub... Login or register to post comments Email this page Party of Peace Update: Ok July 30, 2008 - 14:18 ET by mastersofdeceit Party of Peace Update: Ok now I need to know his reading material. What did he have in his home? Chomsky, Mailer, Ayers, Wright, Ward Churchill, Obama? I mean it's relevant right? I wonder why the press didn't report on it./ Login or register to post comments Email this page back by ethical demand July 30, 2008 - 14:30 ET by TruthMonger the brilliant and inspiring r.o.p addendum:) Brought to you by JESUS "for all your salvation needs, serving humankind since 33AD" http://www.dougbrittonbooks.com/onlinebiblestudies-irritationandangermanagement/loveyourenemy-lovingallyourenemies.asp Partner with Islam… http://progressivemuslims.org/ http://www.irw.org/ http://www.islamic-relief.com/ http://www.islamic-charity.com/ http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/ http://www.mdda.org.uk/web/index.php http://www.muslimheritage.com/Default.aspx [Koran 2:136] Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed to us and that which was revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have surrendered. http://a4theroad.blogspot.com/2007/05/religion-koran-reading-sura-2.html http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/notislam/misconceptions.html and just for kicks... http://www.muslimgirlworld.com/mgmag/ Login or register to post comments Email this page back by ethical demand - You July 30, 2008 - 16:58 ET by Dan The Man 2 back by ethical demand - You are getting pretty much like all teh MSM reporters when you mimic "some say". Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. Login or register to post comments Email this page i can do one better! one July 30, 2008 - 17:04 ET by TruthMonger i can do one better! one (Jesus) say Login or register to post comments Email this page Yawn. July 30, 2008 - 18:18 ET by Roger the Shrubber Yawn. Login or register to post comments Email this page "It wasn't just a scene July 30, 2008 - 17:15 ET by Carl Kolchak "It wasn't just a scene from "Cold Mountain", and it happened on this date. " Seems like the same result for the North as what happened with Cold Harbor a few months prior. Meade and Grant were also at Cold Harbor. Login or register to post comments Email this page Good to hear from you, Carl... July 30, 2008 - 18:00 ET by Roger the Shrubber The important question is, was Jude Law at Cold Harbor? Login or register to post comments Email this page "The important question is, July 30, 2008 - 20:44 ET by Carl Kolchak "The important question is, was Jude Law at Cold Harbor?" I don't think he was at Cold Harbor, but he was at Stalingrad. Login or register to post comments Email this page Once again, Carl proves July 31, 2008 - 09:24 ET by Roger the Shrubber Once again, Carl proves that his brain is bigger than a shrubber's! Login or register to post comments Email this page How the news skews: Juxtaposition of stories. July 30, 2008 - 11:27 ET by mattm From a local news station (considered to be the most conservative station in town) a couple days ago: Story 1: Budget deficit. Last line of the segment: "deficit inherited by the next president." ( immediately they cut to next story showing a clip of Obama on the campaign trail) Story 2. Obama campaign, general coverage totally unrelated to the previous story. The viewer hears "the next president" and the next thing they see is Obaba. This is what they do. Goebbels would be proud. P.S. NB Staff. Can you please change the default for links to "Open In New Window" - it's really a pain to have to go off the NB page for a link and then hit "back"...especially if I want to view a video - like the O'Reilly/McClellan piece, while reading the post. Thanks. Login or register to post comments Email this page mattm July 30, 2008 - 12:35 ET by DontFeedTheTrolls Can you please change the default for links to "Open In New Window" - it's really a pain to have to go off the NB page for a link and then hit "back" If you would use your right mouse button (assuming you are not using a Mac) on the link you can select from the menu 'Open in New Tab' or 'Open in New Window'. D Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps. Login or register to post comments Email this page I know this. It's just July 30, 2008 - 12:52 ET by mattm I know this. It's just easier if it's the default. When I update links on a site I do editing for, and when I include links here on NB, I always set the link to open in new window. I just think this is what the default should be. "If necessity is the mother of invention, laziness is the father of it." - Me Login or register to post comments Email this page right click on link July 30, 2008 - 12:41 ET by SouthJersey1953 All you have to do is "right click" on the link, then select "open in new window" yes, it would be nice to have this as the default, but the right click works just as well.... Login or register to post comments Email this page mattm, Or just hold down July 30, 2008 - 12:41 ET by hydrodynDM mattm, Or just hold down the Shift key before clicking on the link - that will open up a new window as well. Login or register to post comments Email this page What a DUH! moment... July 30, 2008 - 11:37 ET by c5then Yhis has been obvious to most thinking people for a long time now. The real question is how far will Israel allow the santions to drag on for before they take their own action? Iran is obviously not going to stop enriching Uranium, nor are they going to stop developing their ICBMs. All I hope for is that the missle defense system works well and is already deployed in the middle east somewhere. The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08. Login or register to post comments Email this page Feelings July 30, 2008 - 11:59 ET by iveseenitall When a "liberal" like Barry gets the "feeling", watch out. "Liberals" live on feelings, cerainly not on facts. And what is he implying anyway? That Isreal might defend itself? Oh, God forbid. Obama, like most Dems, is a naive coward who will put us all in mortal danger. He didn't want to fight in Iraq and now he won't even admit our victory. God help us if this incompent pretty boy gets elected. NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal" Login or register to post comments Email this page Obama's Freudian Slip July 30, 2008 - 11:59 ET by Gothampc When Obama said "Israel is Israel's best friend" everyone chalked it up to a slip of the tongue. I'm not so sure but that those words are really what is in Obama's heart. I think Israel will have a hard time with Obama as POTUS. I don't think it was appropriate for Obama to say that publicly. Our leaders shouldn't be going around on the information "Nobody told me, but..." That's what they criticized GWB for: going into Iraq without proper intelligence. If decisions are to be made, let there be concrete proof, not merely "I felt a thrill run up my leg when I was talking to Olmert". Login or register to post comments Email this page Stupid... July 30, 2008 - 12:14 ET by Clear thinker As soon as this get's back to Israel, Obama can expect a nicely worded note from them basically asking him... "Are you really that stupid?" Think of all the implications someone may surmise by this one statement by Obama. 45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm Login or register to post comments Email this page McCain trumps Miss Spider!!! Stop the presses!!! July 30, 2008 - 12:15 ET by eL Dubya Wow. This story from Milwaukee's JSOnline.com weblog (how hip) of local "news": WEDNESDAY, July 30, 2008, 9:10 a.m. By Sharif Durhams McCain trumps Miss Spider A kids' summer reading program in Racine is getting bumped Thursday for a visit by a presidential candidate. The Racine Public Library was planning to host the finale of its Summer Reading Challenge, featuring "Miss Spider's Tea Party." Then Republican John McCain scheduled a town hall meeting at the Racine Civic Centre around the same time. Apparently, that's a lot of activity to squeeze into a few blocks, so the summer reading event had to go. Don't worry faithful readers. Ms. Spider has been rescheduled for Friday at 1:30 p.m. Login or register to post comments Email this page Hmmph, who does McCain July 30, 2008 - 12:29 ET by Dan The Man 2 Hmmph, who does McCain think he is, the President or somethin? Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. Login or register to post comments Email this page The world is ready for change because Obama is here! July 30, 2008 - 13:01 ET by CT Obama's rap-man Ludacris has a new campaign rap for Obama that says a lot about all involved: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=52f_1217434061&p=1 One more racist supporter for Obama to throw under his bus. NOBAMUNISTS PLEASE! Login or register to post comments Email this page Obama notes ‘tragic’ US past July 30, 2008 - 13:21 ET by CT Is this what Obama's rappers have been taught in our public schools? http://starbulletin.com/2008/07/28/news/story05.html NOBAMUNISTS PLEASE! Login or register to post comments Email this page Need a good laugh July 30, 2008 - 13:35 ET by ricklail These items are from Nealz Newz: Algore or Unibomber. Take the quiz John Kerry party animal. Be kind to your kids. They'll be choosing your nursing home. Login or register to post comments Email this page Olmert to Step Aside July 30, 2008 - 13:36 ET by Gothampc It has been announced that Olmert will step aside. Perhaps that was the weird feeling Obama was getting and not that they planned to attack Iran. http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1215331146843&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull Login or register to post comments Email this page Goth... He really had no July 30, 2008 - 13:43 ET by bigtimer Goth... He really had no choice now did he? He never could of won...anything... Glad to see him go myself. Going to be very interesting what happens in Sept. Thanks for the update....much appreciated. "America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh Login or register to post comments Email this page Jokes on Obama July 30, 2008 - 16:34 ET by Gothampc I agree that Olmert had to go. And I will be watching. I hope Israel can make the right choice. Now Obama has to go back over there and kiss up to some new leader of Israel. And where is Tony Blair in all of this? Isn't he supposed to be some special diplomat to the Middle East? Login or register to post comments Email this page That weird feeling Obama had was just... July 30, 2008 - 14:08 ET by ChuckM from PA That weird feeling Obama was getting, I have it on good word that it was just gas, that's all it was. Login or register to post comments Email this page Obama has a vision... what a mensch July 30, 2008 - 13:44 ET by Jack Bauer "Nobody said this to me directly but I get the feeling from my talks that if the sanctions don’t work Israel is going to strike Iran." Is this guy trying to be funny? How exactly was that feeling received by the Obamessiah? A few Tablets from God. A burning "bush"? A vision? Or naybe it was something he heard being talked about on EVERY FRACKIN' NEWSPAPER, BLOG, and CABLE NEWS CHANNEL for the past YEAR!!!!!!! Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate. Login or register to post comments Email this page Oil Decreases: Dow Increases July 30, 2008 - 14:08 ET by JDW Government shutdown JDW Login or register to post comments Email this page JDW... I heard a little July 30, 2008 - 14:15 ET by bigtimer JDW... I heard a little something about this this morning... I wonder if that is partly the reason why oil is up 4.30 or so a barrel last I looked.... Depressing for us that have to travel far daily...on the other hand the repubs have a huge mission to run on! "America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh Login or register to post comments Email this page Goal July 30, 2008 - 14:37 ET by JDW My concern is the libs dedicated assault on energy independence. JDW DAILY WAVE Login or register to post comments Email this page So is mine JDW... As you July 30, 2008 - 14:48 ET by bigtimer So is mine JDW... As you must know by now with me. I had to give the Senate a break today...going to turn it back there after Rush is over. There was some great after hours floor speeches last night in the House about all of this of course it was the conservatives. "America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh Login or register to post comments Email this page Fits right in July 30, 2008 - 16:08 ET by NorthCoaster with the rest of the far left. Chuck Schumer says that a particular bank is having trouble and voila IndyBank has a run on it. NY Times tells stories about CIA operations and critical programs are exposed. You can't expect them to keep a secrets or tell the truth can you? They seem to get a thrill or excitement out of having the power to affect the World by twisting or mis-using their knowledge. These are people that I would have a hard time trusting with anything. Login or register to post comments Email this page Heather Wilson July 30, 2008 - 16:27 ET by bigtimer I see congresswoman Heather Wilson, from New Mexico on television more and more lately, anyway on msnbc...she does a great job, she took care of Matthews last week...she just took care of Shuster to a point. The reason I am bringing this up...sometime back somewhere we were all talking about picks for a conservative running mate for McCain and I mentioned her... I was hoping she would run to take Domenici's (sp) place for the Senate...now I am still hoping McCain would pick her...she served in the military for 20 or so years, has had experience with NATO too. I know...hope is an over-used word. "America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh Login or register to post comments Email this page i'm seeing into the future... July 30, 2008 - 16:35 ET by TruthMonger she's doing so well that suddenly she may be "stung" by a "airport bathroom sex sting" and a tabloid will break the story - magically becoming a reliable news source for the MSM again:)! Login or register to post comments Email this page Domenici's support for her July 30, 2008 - 16:37 ET by BuffNBone Domenici's support for her came quite late -- less than a week before the primary. She didn't make it past the primary to Steve Pierce from NM 3rd District. So I think in this sense she is damaged goods. The likelihood of not delivering a small number of electoral votes (5) from an adjacent state does little to help the ticket Though an Academy graduate, I'm pretty sure she didn't serve 20 years either. "Fighters are fun but bombers make policy" Login or register to post comments Email this page Here's a link that Pop Tech July 30, 2008 - 17:51 ET by mandrake Here's a link that Pop Tech can add to his seemly endless list of lists. He can put it near the bottom...that way noone will ever read it. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/cbc/080729/canada/technology_iceshelf_fracture Login or register to post comments Email this page "We came, we July 30, 2008 - 19:40 ET by Blazer "We came, we saw,........ ........... we gave em' a 20 piece extra crispy, with mashed potatoes, coleslaw and rolls" - Col. Sanders If this aint' proof the surge has worked and the war is just about won, then you tell me what is. http://northshorejournal.org/kentucky-fried-chicken-sizzles-in-fallujah "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. " - Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM. " The Cake is a lie." Login or register to post comments Email this page The U.S. Dept. of the July 30, 2008 - 20:23 ET by RESTLESS 1 The U.S. Dept. of the Interior speaks. I hope the dems can feel the end is near. "This liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008 Login or register to post comments Email this page Hey R1... Now that is a July 30, 2008 - 20:46 ET by bigtimer Hey R1... Now that is a keeper...I am in the middle of cooking dinner but I read most of it...thank you. Now this is going to be priceless if this gets to the Budget bill that includes the congressional moratorium this is going to wake up people all across this county as long as the repubs make sure and use the airwaves in unison beforehand, say at least start a couple of weeks to show who is to blame for the gas prices and stoppage of out own oil here...therefore the govt. shut-down. I heard today that Californians are voting 70% for off-shore drilling there...there is a poll somewhere I heard Heather Wilson say that on msnbc this afternoon. This could be more than perfect for the right side of the aisle and the american people in the long run. "America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh Login or register to post comments Email this page BT, July 30, 2008 - 23:16 ET by RESTLESS 1 Sorry for the lag time. Kids had me busy. I just hope the republicans have the uhhhh... NADS to go through with their last resort if it comes to that. That sounds like a win-win to me. :) "This liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008 Login or register to post comments Email this page Hey R1... No problem...I July 30, 2008 - 23:23 ET by bigtimer Hey R1... No problem...I know how that goes... ...anyway, I am looking forward to this if it comes to pass...very much so. A win all the way... Btw, I thank you again, I wouldn't of known anything about this... I told my husband about this also...we are both on the same page. "America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh Login or register to post comments Email this page Lets decriminalize marijuana July 30, 2008 - 21:33 ET by shawn228 From my understanding judging from many of the posters here re legalizing or decriminalizing marijuana. Most republicans here are against it and most libertarians are for it. In my opinion, I am completely for it and it looks like some legislators are taking steps to do so. I doubt it will pass, but I am glad the effort is being made Real life video games are cool Login or register to post comments Email this page Make it legal, but give it July 30, 2008 - 21:39 ET by balboa Make it legal, but give it the same stipulations as alcohol. Login or register to post comments Email this page No driving with the July 30, 2008 - 22:25 ET by Free Stinker No driving with the munchies? ;-) Login or register to post comments Email this page bal... July 30, 2008 - 22:39 ET by Clear thinker Do you have any ideas as to how it would work if legalized? 45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm Login or register to post comments Email this page How what would work? The July 30, 2008 - 22:43 ET by balboa How what would work? The effects of legalizing it? Or the logistics? Login or register to post comments Email this page Logistics first. July 30, 2008 - 22:46 ET by Clear thinker 45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm Login or register to post comments Email this page I have no idea what's July 30, 2008 - 23:01 ET by balboa I have no idea what's involved in something like that. I'm sure you're going to enlighten me, though. Login or register to post comments Email this page Ok, bal... July 30, 2008 - 23:05 ET by Clear thinker I will try something easier... If legalized and controlled by the Government, or even privatized, who sets the limits on potency? 45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm Login or register to post comments Email this page Oh! Oh!! I know this July 30, 2008 - 23:08 ET by Free Stinker Oh! Oh!! I know this one. Login or register to post comments Email this page ~ July 31, 2008 - 21:51 ET by Free Stinker /Gets tired of holding hand in air/ Well, I'll just blurt out the answer: The FDA will set the limits. "They're both doofuses!" --Mark Levin (speaking of Obama and McCain) Login or register to post comments Email this page Hi Free... July 31, 2008 - 22:19 ET by Clear thinker How's things with you? Sorry you had to hold your hand up for so long, as I was waiting to see if you-know-who would answer. I imagine it would be FDA that sets the potency limit, but that in itself creates another problem. Even Pot smokers are always looking for a higher high, so if the FDA sets the potency level fairly low, then it's only a matter of time before pot smokers go back to buying higher quality pot on the streets. Legalizing and enforcing would become a joke. 45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm Login or register to post comments Email this page Clear July 31, 2008 - 22:23 ET by Free Stinker True. I don't imagine there is any good way to go about it. Of course, if Congress thought they could get enough tax revenue I'm not so sure they would care . . . Login or register to post comments Email this page Clear thinker July 30, 2008 - 23:35 ET by shawn228 What I would do is regulate it, just like I would alcohol. I would enforce driving under the influence of marijuana just like a DUI. The goverment would grow it in their approved fields and hemp is also a good source to make clothes and a easily grown biofuel You can only do it in the privacy of your own home or in a special red light district where prostitution would legal as well. I would heavily tax both and it would toward rehabiitation instead of prison and any access will go toward paying our national debt. Real life video games are cool Login or register to post comments Email this page Yea, thats great Shawn. The July 31, 2008 - 00:11 ET by Blazer Yea, thats great Shawn. The government's done a wonderful job regulating alcohol. Although I am against legalizing marijuana I am most explicity against having to compete with an extra bunch of stoners at Wendy's and Taco bell at one o' clock in the morning. Dude, hows Uncle Ham and cheddar,..... I mean Uncle Samwitch........jeez,.....I mean Uncle Sam gonna regulate that. : ) "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. " - Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM. " The Cake is a lie." Login or register to post comments Email this page blazer July 31, 2008 - 00:23 ET by shawn228 Your a family man, what are you doing at Wendys at 1 in the morning anyway? Lol, I have told you my political positions in the past. Love conservative ideas for taxes and defending our country, but hate nanny state laws regarding things that don't effect anybody else except for ourselves. marijuana, prostitution, euthanasia. I am not including abortion, because imo there is the argument that the fetus is another person. Why does the government need to get involved in things that are not their business? Also, except for a small temptation from a fellow fan at a Oakland Raiders game last yr, my pot days are a while ago and I am happily married. So its not like I want to indulge, I just feel it is wrong to nanny state personal freedoms Real life video games are cool Login or register to post comments Email this page well Shawn July 31, 2008 - 00:30 ET by candance I hate to post and run but it's getting late, so here I'm leaving you a little sumpin to think of me. http://www.townhall.com/columnists/AnnCoulter/2000/10/03/dont_do_drug_legalization&Comments=true Login or register to post comments Email this page fair enough candance July 31, 2008 - 00:40 ET by shawn228 I read the article. I am wanting to legalize marijuana, not crack or cocaine or crystal meth. These drugs do effect people and people could literally die from withdrawal, Sure you can die of lung cancer from smoking it, but you can die from tobacco smoke as well. Also, I am not advocating getting stoned during work, just like I would not advocate getting wasted at work. You have good sleep candance :-) Real life video games are cool Login or register to post comments Email this page "Your a family man, July 31, 2008 - 21:46 ET by Blazer "Your a family man, what are you doing at Wendys a