For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: Are Lieberman and the Democrats heading for a divorce?
He has zigzagged the country on behalf of McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, and, in recent weeks, amplified his criticism of Senator Barack Obama to a point that has infuriated many of his Democratic colleagues. At least two have asked Lieberman to tone down his rhetoric against Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee, two colleagues said, and at least three have advised Lieberman against speaking at the Republican convention, a prospect he has said he would entertain.
Is Lieberman destined to become a Republican during the 111th Congress? How might his appearance at the RNC in September impact the elections? Might he actually be McCain's veep, and, if so, how do you see that changing the presidential race if at all?
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I have always admired
July 14, 2008 - 10:08 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsI have always admired Lieberman, while not agreeing with his politics. He is a man of honor from my point of view. As far as him and the Democrats, I think many have already 'divorced' him with more to follow. Also, the netroots on the 'progressive' side hate him.
An aside here, as it is possible troops will be starting to leave Iraq before the end of the year, do you think the left will soon start screaming for the troops in Afghanistan to come home?
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Hopefully
July 14, 2008 - 10:20 ET by DelsaIf the republicans need him to retain a statistical majority in the Senate, I hope he comes over.
Otherwise, I think he will remain an Independent to keep em all guessing.
just sayin
real estate in florida? let me know!
he'd just be a RINO like
July 14, 2008 - 17:10 ET by TruthMongerhe'd just be a RINO like McCain
why even bother
the voters voted him in as a Dem, I don't like this party switching mid-stream
if he wants to be a Repub, he should re-run as a Repub
Maybe
July 14, 2008 - 10:24 ET by River CityThe Dems may divorce Lieberman but Lieberman cannot become a Republican without putting future election prospects in jeopardy. They voted for him last time because he wasn't the other guy but they saw him as still a Dem who had to sail under another banner temporarily. If he assumes the Republican banner he will lose all the voters who refuse to vote Republican regardless of their positions. Of course we don't know how big that group is, do we?
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Bush lifts drilling ban!
July 14, 2008 - 10:30 ET by Jack BauerYeeeeHaaaaa. Bush lifts ban on offshore drilling!
Wailing and gnashing of Democrat teeth to begin shortly.
Now do ANWR Mr President!
I am cannot tell if you are
July 14, 2008 - 10:38 ET by dvdaughtryI am cannot tell if you are serious, and if you are, I am not calling you out.
Do you have a link?
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
I am serious. The only
July 14, 2008 - 10:42 ET by Jack BauerI am serious. The only jokes on this issue are Democrats.
Fox email blast...
One problem Jack...
July 14, 2008 - 11:15 ET by Clear thinkerNow Congress has to do the same thing. With the Dems in control, how likely is that?
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America is screaming for it
July 14, 2008 - 11:58 ET by SouthJersey1953I don't think the Dims have a choice. America is screaming for drill now....they will have to lift it or suffer the wrath of the voters in the fall (when gas prices are approaching $5/gal).
Not only do they NOT have a choice...
July 14, 2008 - 13:10 ET by goldenthroatSJ1953,
You are absolutely correct - I love what the president has done! This really puts the Demoncrats in a lose/lose situation. If they oppose it, they'll be going against the great majority of public opinion calling for domestic drilling. If they approve it, they'll be admitting they've been wrong from the get-go!
Is this why their party logo is the jackass?
Don'tcha just love it?
"How can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all?" - Firesign Theatre
goldenthroat, yea the party of jackass'ess
July 14, 2008 - 14:37 ET by upcountrywaterpelosi's jump the shark HOAX
because
Liberals
this iranian science is not a hoax to these shadow people.
IranianUranium
Many thanks. This is
July 14, 2008 - 11:26 ET by dvdaughtryMany thanks. This is certainly good news.
Drill'em Deep and Often!
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
"the oilman in the WH is
July 14, 2008 - 17:13 ET by TruthMonger"the oilman in the WH is listening to big oil"
-pelosi
just frackin pathetic, nancy - true to DNC form
TIME TO EXPLORE THOROUGHLY JUST OFF THE MARIN COUNTY COAST I THINK:)!
RIGS AS FAR AS THE MOONBAT LIBERAL EYE CAN SEE - AND A GOOD COUPLE OF OIL SPILLS TO BOOT WOULD BE VERY NICE TOO...
I wont be happy till I see
July 14, 2008 - 17:18 ET by bassndudeI wont be happy till I see a rig in the La Brea Tar Pits. Surely there is some oil down there.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
we must explore liberal
July 14, 2008 - 17:25 ET by TruthMongerwe must explore liberal enclaves everywhere
and I'm afraid this will likly be "too sophisticated" for most liberals to understand
Tom Brokaw? That who your
July 14, 2008 - 17:30 ET by bassndudeTom Brokaw? That who your talking about? Or Babs? Or Obama? Those enlightened liberals?
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
I think this is great
July 14, 2008 - 10:54 ET by Dan The Man 2I think this is great news. It also proves my point about not having to ask congress for a lifting of an excutive order. A while back I had a dicusssion with someone about this and they were under the wrong assumption that the President had to ask congress for a lifting of an excutive order.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Yes! “There are no easy
July 14, 2008 - 11:10 ET by NewsbusterbrownYes!
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
Jackson, check out the
July 14, 2008 - 12:58 ET by Roger the ShrubberJackson, check out the reaction of the Hufftards. Wow, they are all over the map, citing individually every Dem talking point that has already been tried and failed.
The current leader in the "best post" category:
This is to take the eye off of KKKarl Rove. Lifting this ban is doing nothing for the oil problems we face. Dubya is a clueless moron.
I was wondering how they
July 14, 2008 - 14:21 ET by Ruths husband BenI was wondering how they were going to take the pressure off of Karl. Now I wonder if Karl will notice the pressure's off?
“it is not the role of this Court to pronounce the Second Amendment extinct.” - Justice Antonin Scalia
Hey, I like Joe. I
July 14, 2008 - 10:35 ET by BlazerHey, I like Joe. I believe he's the epitome of a classy patriotic liberal. But lets get real, outside of foriegn policy he's just another tax and spend liberal. I have seen folks on other blogs falling all over themselves that Joe may come on over to our side, but the last thing our side needs right now is another RINO. Not to mention it would be carreer suicide for him.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Lieberman, though an
July 14, 2008 - 10:36 ET by Dan The Man 2Lieberman, though an independent votes with teh Dem Cacus and was used to prop up teh Dem majority. He will not be switching parties soon, but he may vote with teh Republicans then I may entertain teh idea of him switching parties. However, he would be a RINO in teh strictest sense of teh word. He is an old school Democrat who understands the border of teh country is where differences should end.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
And now, today's Shrub
July 14, 2008 - 10:39 ET by Roger the ShrubberAnd now, today's Shrub Report®:
Happy Bastille Day. Crank up the RUSH!
Gee, thx.
Have you seen the T. Boone Pickens commercials telling us 'we're out of oil, now let's do wind'? Shockingly, he's telling us that because he has TWO BILLION DOLLARS invested in wind energy.
Wikipropaganda?
The Hopeful Changer shoes there is little doubt he is unfamiliar with economics. Plus, he manages to toss the entire state of Israel under the bus. Finally, The Messiah puts his blessed foot into his mouth.
Pennsylvania is full of bitter clingers of guns, bibles, and, apparently, alchohol.
Moonbats to protest Tony Snow's funeral?
What's next, Britain? The banning of cup-stacking?
There is trouble in the North Pole…
Mom's basements everywhere emptied out and headed to DC....
And, finally, congratulations are in order for Brad and Angelina!
Hello
July 14, 2008 - 10:53 ET by Poker PlayerCan someone tell me why every Leftie suffering from BDS thinks his forte is comedy?
Plainer: Don't quit your day job. That is if you have one after the Democrat's energy policy has destroyed the economy.
Its not actually comedy, it
July 14, 2008 - 11:02 ET by BlazerIts not actually comedy, it just comes out out looking that way.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
OK. Time for me to admit
July 14, 2008 - 11:28 ET by Cureboy675OK. Time for me to admit to being a total airhead. But what does BDS stand for? I've heard that time and time again and I just can't figure out that is supposed to stand for.
Bush Derangement
July 14, 2008 - 11:30 ET by Clear thinkerBush Derangement Syndrome!
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Here is a link to
July 14, 2008 - 12:25 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsHere is a link to BDS.
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Regarding Obama's crack
July 14, 2008 - 10:53 ET by motherbeltRegarding Obama's crack about not needing to visit the war zones to be prepared to handle it....another about-face.
He such a pushover....he continuously says he won't do certain things, and then does them when pushed a little.
Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson
mb... Wait until you meet
July 14, 2008 - 11:32 ET by Clear thinkermb...
Wait until you meet a new poster here by the name of Linda. Yesterday she was claiming there was NO proof of Obama flip-flopping.
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my thought exactly!
July 14, 2008 - 12:09 ET by SouthJersey1953CT, when I read mb's comment, the FIRST thing I thought about was new troll Linda and all her spewing about Obama not Flipping!!!
Oh, boy. Can't wait. Has
July 14, 2008 - 12:11 ET by motherbeltOh, boy. Can't wait.
Has she been living in a cave for the past few months?
Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson
Bless her heart. I saw
July 14, 2008 - 12:41 ET by Cureboy675Bless her heart. I saw her posts yesterday and I just sat there and groaned and thought, "She has about as much tact as a bulldozer in a China shop"
Seriously, has that ever worked? Storming into a room full of people who don't agree with you, without so much as a hello, and saying, "Look, everybody here is wrong and I am right and this is why!!".
Well cure, that usually
July 14, 2008 - 13:49 ET by BlazerWell cure, that usually doesn't go over so well, but I think her main problem is , she's doing all the fingerpointing at conservatives without being objective to any faults or shortcomings of the left. In her mind it's all the GOP's fault. You've been around here long enough to see that for the most part, most of us hold our own to the fire too.
Time will tell, sometimes people start off like that here and then lighten up, but I think I see a little CDS where she is concerned.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
"Happy Bastille Day.
July 14, 2008 - 11:18 ET by Hero Squad"Lakeside Park"?
At your insistence, I've dialed up Rush - "Chronicles" on my iPod. "Bastille Day" is forthcoming.
*****
"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
Hey, you caress your steel
July 14, 2008 - 11:34 ET by Roger the ShrubberHey, you caress your steel on your own time, bub.
Fair enough. Exit... stage
July 14, 2008 - 13:09 ET by Hero SquadFair enough. Exit... stage left.
*****
"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
Hey Rog, are you following
July 14, 2008 - 13:19 ET by Hero SquadHey Rog, are you following the arrest of a dozen Dems in the Bonus scandal here in Pa. late last week? As you'll see in this story, our local paper mentioned the Democratic House Caucus in the first paragraph, so bully for them!
The staffer that is profiled here, I actually knew quite well. Back in my early days as a reporter he was a local council member for a municipality I covered. He was a personable and very sharp guy... the only elected Democrat in a town that was, like 10-1 Republican, and he was savvy enough to be elected by the council to serve as its president. Those are no small feats.
I had a "Risk" board game party back in the day (I know, "what a wild guy!"), and he accepted my invitation. The game actually came down to him vs. me. Of course, I prevailed.
Hero Squad does not lose to anyone in Risk.
Anyway, just thought you'd be interested. This scandal is going to hurt the Dems in Pa.
*****
"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
Thx for the link, HS. I
July 14, 2008 - 13:54 ET by Roger the ShrubberThx for the link, HS. I posted about this on Friday, but I am always looking for the perspective from other towns across our fine state.
I was watching some radio talk show guy from Philly on PCN last night, and he was admonishing the Philly press for the pathetic coverage. He said the press on the western side of the state has been all over this and doing a much better job than the "big city" papers.
I am sure a part of the reason is that the main politicos getting busted are western PA scumbags. I wait to see how many other politicians get snared. I am sure there will be more indictments, and some of them will be Republicans, unfortunately. This might be even more powerful than the pay-jacking scandal in regards to kicking some of these entrenched bums out of office!
The funniest thing about this whole "Bonusgate" scandal is that one of the things the Democrat politicians were paying their staffers to do was to campaign and smear the Ralph Nadar nutjobs working in PA. They hired homeless bums to walk into Nadar offices and pee and crap on the floor and do other disruptive things. They wanted Nadar gone because they knew he would take votes away from Kerry.
P.S.: Risk rocks!
Sorry I missed your Shrub
July 14, 2008 - 23:55 ET by Hero SquadSorry I missed your Shrub report on Friday; took the day off to work around the house. Wow, some of that is rather revolting. I can't imagine that Scott would be a party to that kind of sabotage; but maybe that's what qualifies you for the "Super Rock Star" bonus.
*****
"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
HS, risk is a simplistic
July 14, 2008 - 17:22 ET by Dan The Man 2HS, risk is a simplistic game of calculated risks. control of teh right countries and calculated use of the cards is key. And then the lucky bastard always wins over a calculated risk. So in essence it boils down to luck of teh draw at first then proper placement of armies in crucial locations, the use of teh cards at the right time (assuming you ahve good ones) and above all the luck of the dice.
Luck of the dice has killed me more often than not. No matter how well placed your armies are and how good cards you have if you cant out roll the smuck then you are done for and if you persist and his luck holds you are toast.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
I know this isn't your
July 14, 2008 - 23:44 ET by dvdaughtryI know this isn't your point but, Axis and Allies is a much better game. It's WWII based, but the dice are tempered by the type of unit is doing the attacking.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
To a point, you are correct;
July 14, 2008 - 23:52 ET by Hero SquadTo a point, you are correct; however, there are definite strategies and tactics you can use to your advantage.
Oh, and I got my simplistic game mastery mixed up. I have actually lost a few games of Risk. It's Whac-a-Mole where I'm a ridiculous master.
As for Stratego... my father is the only person who I've ever played on a regular basis... and I could never beat him. NEVER! Haven't challenged him in awhile. Maybe now that I'm older I can take him down.
*****
"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
Moonbats to protest Tony
July 14, 2008 - 17:40 ET by TruthMongerMoonbats to protest Tony Snow's funeral?
how refreshing - today your religion of peace update targets Christians for a change - very educated of ya shrubby
keep this up and soon you may be walking upright...
Just think, someday I will
July 14, 2008 - 19:07 ET by Roger the ShrubberJust think, someday I will evolve enough to marry a 6-yo girl! Maybe, if she's lucky she might someday learn to read, be able to walk inn public without me, or, gasp, speak on her own! All of this before her father-in-law rapes her... Ohhhh, to dream!
Until then, I guess I will have hope that that dream bride wasn't one of these.
Okay okay okay okay, since you are pining for it, Truthie...
Sudan
Iran
UK
India
Scotland
Afghanistan
So many atrocities, so little time... Allah hearts you, Truthie!
Westboro finally does some
July 14, 2008 - 19:17 ET by TruthMongerWestboro finally does some good:)
TM...
July 14, 2008 - 19:21 ET by Clear thinkerI will never be convinced that Westboro knows what 'good' is.
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granted, this is the first
July 14, 2008 - 19:42 ET by TruthMongergranted, this is the first I've ever seen as even a possibility:)
truly "the dinks" of Christianity - assuming they are actually Christian
RtS not one of these gals
July 14, 2008 - 19:19 ET by upcountrywaterBlue Burka band
Liberals62%
IranianUranium
Now THAT's funny!
July 14, 2008 - 20:21 ET by Roger the ShrubberNow THAT's funny!
Thanks Roger, very well
July 14, 2008 - 17:46 ET by RukusThanks Roger, very well done! This is one Shrub that should never be pruned or cut back. I love it!
"Nuke 'em 'til they... oh hell, just shoot 'em!"
→ Amalgamated Santas?
July 14, 2008 - 17:48 ET by Cool ArrowI wasn't aware of this sect "Amalgamated Order of Real-Bearded Santas".
I'm sure Saint Nicholas appreciates their veneration, but I'm not so sure we can discuss this.
I'm not comfortable with the topic.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE
No. It Depends. And No.
July 14, 2008 - 10:41 ET by cjbreischNo, he won't. Although if the Dems are in the mid-50s, with or with out him, or magically make 60 without him, I expect them to no longer allow him to caucus with them anymore.
Let's not forget, Lieberman is a true blue Democrat. Except on one issue. He will never join the Republican party and we don't want him.
(Yes, I respect him, but that's different from wanting another RINO in the party).
And he won't be the Veep. He's a horrible choice for McCain and both he and McCain know it. Two old non-telegenic white guys.
Also, he doesn't bring anything to the ticket. McCain's not going to get Connecticut no matter who's on the ticket, and it's only 4 EV anyway. McCain needs someone who will appeal to the base and Lieberman ain't him. The only issue he has in common with conservatives is the war and McCain can find hundreds of potential Veeps with that credential and who look a lot better to the base.
Now...there is a way he could dramatically help McCain's chances. And a way he could speak at the RNC (not a done deal btw) and cause an impact.
Lieberman would be a horrible Veep for McCain but a fantastic Secretary of State. I know, candidates rarely mention cabinet choices, but this would be an ideal exception. McCain needs to talk Lieberman into this and announce that Lieberman will be his SoS right before the convention.
This is good for Lieberman too. Let's face it, he's going to be ostracized in the 111th Congress, and he certainly has no chance of being re-elected to the Senate in 2012 (the Democrats won't have to defeat him twice, and the Republicans likely will have someone capable of getting more than 100 votes).
Obama already is in trouble with Jews, and may be the first Democratic Party Presidential Candidate in recent memory to lose the Jewish vote. Lieberman as SoS for McCain would likely seal the deal, without upsetting the Republican base like he would as a Veep.
If McCain can become the "energy independence" candidate, can get a nice solid conservative Veep candidate to stand beside him, and announce Lieberman as an SoS candidate, he wins easily in November.
CJ
July 14, 2008 - 10:51 ET by Noel SheppardCJ,
Actually, I think Lieberman gives McCain a lot. I think he locks in Florida, and a Dem and Pub on the same ticket presents a moderate viewpoint that is extremely appealing to a plurality of Americans.
Remember, as much as we talk about left and right wings, the largest percentage of the nation is somewhere in the middle. Everybody wants to appeal to this middle, and a McCain-Lieberman ticket could do it. JMHO. ns
McCain is fine in FL
July 16, 2008 - 09:04 ET by cjbreischNoel, I guess I disagree with you there. I don't think McCain really needs help in Florida. I've actually taken it off my "battleground states" list for this year.
And I don't think he needs help in the center. He's already there. To run an effective campaign he needs money. To get money he has to appeal to the base. He needs a right-winger to do that.
A lot of folks in FL think
July 16, 2008 - 09:21 ET by NL207A lot of folks in FL think McCain is a relatively young guy! :)
Hands Across the Water
July 14, 2008 - 10:47 ET by Copperhead RidgeI think John McCain will reach across the aisle and choose a Republican to be his Veep.
"I think John McCain will
July 14, 2008 - 10:52 ET by Blazer"I think John McCain will reach across the aisle and choose a Republican to be his Veep."
LOL ! Good one.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Great line, CR!
July 14, 2008 - 12:12 ET by SouthJersey1953CR, great line!!!!
"Hopefully" he will reach across to a Conservative Republican.
LOL! Perfect, absolutely
July 14, 2008 - 17:50 ET by RukusLOL! Perfect, absolutely perfect!
"Nuke 'em 'til they... oh hell, just shoot 'em!"
It wouldn't hurt
July 14, 2008 - 10:48 ET by Poker PlayerProbably help.
Obama and Iraq
July 14, 2008 - 11:09 ET by KC MulvilleSenator Barack Obama has an op-ed today in the New York Times about his plans for Iraq. Selective amnesia is the most apt description of it. Obama’s argument is that the only legitimate war was against al-Qaeda and the Taliban. He opposed the Iraq war, he says in the article, because we lost the focus on Afghanistan, we attacked a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, wasn’t an imminent threat, and isn’t the central front against terrorism.
The criticisms reflect a candidate exploiting the poor memory of the American media. Step into the Wayback Machine as we return to the spring of 2002. Even by then, al-Qaeda and the Taliban had been driven out of power. The few remnants had fled into the mountain gorges on the Pakistan border. At the time, there was nothing to focus on in Afghanistan, and invading a nuclear-equipped Pakistan was (and remains) out of the question. If you thought the Iraq war was costly, imagine the cost in lives and regional disruption that a Pakistan invasion would have been.
Obama is trying to pull a fast one. The Taliban has rebuilt itself, not because we didn’t have enough men to kill it off, but because we calculated (probably correctly) that the political and military cost didn’t justify it. To invade Pakistan in 2002 would have been disastrous. Our reluctance allowed the Taliban to reconstitute, but even if we had a hundred divisions, it would have been idiotic to invade Pakistan. We were reluctant for good reasons. Now, al-Qaeda and the Taliban are trying to break out of the box we’ve put them in. We do need more troops to prevent that offensive, but Senator Obama is trying to obscure that distinction. He wants voters to equate our desire for more defensive troops now with the idea that we didn’t have enough troops earlier. It’s not the same thing.
And as for Iraq, more faulty memory. The Senator has simply forgotten about Saddam Hussein, whom he never mentions once. At the time, Saddam was a very rich and very hostile enemy. We had every reason to believe that he had weapons of mass destruction, and that he was perfectly willing to use them. After 9/11, we now had the additional worry of Saddam using terrorists as his proxies. Because of Iraq’s strategic importance, we couldn’t afford to simply get rid of Saddam without rebuilding Iraq. The rebuilding of Iraq was the price of removing Saddam.
Obama skips over all this. In Obama’s myth, George Bush stupidly stopped in the middle of fighting the Taliban, and chose to step into a civil war and occupy Iraq. Obama wants you to think that this mess just appeared out of nowhere, and all we have to do is leave.
The glaring problem with Obama’s plan for Iraq is that Obama doesn’t understand why we were there in the first place.
KC
July 14, 2008 - 13:29 ET by ricklailI don't understand the man. He wants us to win in Afganistan but withdrawl from Iraq. What is wrong with winning in both places. I keep hearing we don't have the boots to put on the ground to go ahead and polish off Afganistan.
I see two different types of combat. Large units like platoons/companies work well in Iraq. Small units like squads or special ops do better in the mountainous terrain of Afganistan. Most Americans have no concept of combat and how to conduct it. I am sure Obama is one of those.
Be kind to your kids. They'll be choosing your nursing home.
Listening to the military
July 14, 2008 - 14:01 ET by KC MulvilleYeah, but let me be clear. I'm not a military expert. I'm just going by what the military commanders themselves have said, and it strikes me that if I can grasp what they say, shouldn't Obama be able to grasp it?
Obama's policy is like Bill Cosby's story of being the running back in his first football game. Every time they gave him the ball, the players on the other team would smother and pound him into the ground. Cosby wondered why they were so angry at him? Eventually realized that it wasn't personal, they just wanted the ball. So ... he gave it to them. That made them happy. Obama's theory is that the enemy will stop shooting at us if we just leave. That will make them happy. Just give up the ball.
Of course, Cosby's is just a comedy routine. It's not a foreign policy. Or shouldn't be, anyway.
Why do Repubs give Lieberman such a pass?
July 14, 2008 - 11:39 ET by jefflebowskiHe is a DEMOCRAT. His votes over his career are among the most liberal. He drank the lib kool-aid when running for VP. People, this guy is a liberal POLITICIAN! He will do or say whatever is needed to get the vote.
The only reason he supports the Iraq war is because of Israel as he is Jewish. Why do people like Sean Hannity fall all over themselves in adoration for this liberal tool? He is no friend to conservatives. If he changes parties, it will only be when his departure won't affect the majority status.
Somebody please tell me why you love him so?
Jeff Lebowski
www.angrywhitedude.c...
Recently, Lieberman has become more conservative
July 14, 2008 - 11:53 ET by c5thenThan some 'republicans'. I gues that illustrates how far left the political spectrum has moved in the last couple of years. Remember in 2000 when GW Bush was called a moderate?
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.
C5, those are the "republicans"
July 14, 2008 - 12:27 ET by jefflebowskithat made me leave the party. If Bush was called a "moderate" in 2000, what is he now??
Jeff Lebowski
www.angrywhitedude.c...
I want
July 14, 2008 - 14:09 ET by okiehawk44I want a cast-off hugely liberal democrat like I want the wannabe liberal democrat we have running as the Republican nominee for President.
I don't trust either one of them.
Similar Deaths
July 14, 2008 - 14:17 ET by ricklailThe national media was all over the death of L/CPL Maria Lauterbach several months ago. You have heard very little about the disapperance of 2nd LT Holly Winumc from Fort Bragg. According to a story in today's Jacksonville Daily News her body may have been found, burned, in a shallow grave near Snead's Ferry near Camp Lejeune. Lt Winumc's husband is in the Cumberland Co jail, for burning her apartment in Fayettevile. He is a a CPL assigned to the 2nd Marine Division.
Onslow County Sheriff Ed Brown said that the scene looked eerily similar to the Latuerbach scene.
Be kind to your kids. They'll be choosing your nursing home.
Open Thread/Drilling for Oil
July 14, 2008 - 14:22 ET by merlin61I know the comments in this thread are about
Lieberman, but Friday, Sen. King gave out
Nancy Pelosi's phone number so we could
contact her and demand that she put
oil drilling on the floor for a vote. She has
taken all bills reference energy and oil drilling
off the floor, and Sen King suggested we call
her and demand she do her job as Americans
want. The phone number is 202-225-0100.
I tried all weekend to get through, and they
have opened a comment line today and I was
able to state my cause. Lets all call and get
this number out there for the Speaker and
Harry Reid to get these oil bills up for a vote
since the President has withdrawn his
executive ban today, and said we need Congress
to get busy and do something about drilling.
He has done all he can.
He has done all he
July 14, 2008 - 14:36 ET by Jack BauerCouldn't he disappear Pelosi to Gitmo?
It really is amazing that the Peoples' Business actually means the business of Pelosi and her environmental case cronies.
What a pansy coward she is.
→ Knock Spit?
July 14, 2008 - 14:47 ET by Cool ArrowBaranjelina name their new son Knox Pitt?
Is this as bad as naming your kid Phil McCrackin?
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Arrow, I would have
July 14, 2008 - 14:51 ET by SemperrightArrow,
I would have went with Tar, Peach, or maybe Arm
"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference.
The MARINES don't have that problem."
President Ronald Reagan - 1985
SR,Yeah, Armond, or maybe
July 14, 2008 - 14:55 ET by MassConservSR,
Yeah, Armond, or maybe Ashton.
Or, I was thinking maybe Snake in honor of Mr. Plissken.
Harry Pitt
July 14, 2008 - 14:57 ET by Cool ArrowSomething a little more traditional?
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I think they should have
July 14, 2008 - 15:01 ET by MassConservI think they should have held a naming competition. Knox is so blasé. As evidenced here, there are much more imaginative names they could have chosen. :-)
Or better yet, Mosh
July 14, 2008 - 14:57 ET by BlazerOr better yet, Mosh Pitt.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Education
July 14, 2008 - 15:13 ET by JDWEducation: Cheating on ACT or SAT exams has few consequences
JDW
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Education commie style...
July 14, 2008 - 15:19 ET by Clear thinker17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm
Later Converts
July 14, 2008 - 15:46 ET by JDWMy daughter voted for sen Clinton in the primary. My son is a genius yet brainwashed by the education system, and supports Obama. These schools are 'rat traps'. My son will one day earn money and eventually convert. No point in fighting it today.
JDW
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Dem Governors suck...
July 14, 2008 - 15:30 ET by Clear thinkerI posted this yesterday on a thread that got very little traffic. So today I decided to post it here with the hopes that people will check it out.
WARNING: This may be the most boring yet most instructive lesson in differing ideologies.
I caught a few minutes of a program on c-span yesterday but could not stick around for the whole show. Something flipped a switch in me