CNN's Toobin: GOP Likes Voter ID Laws to 'Stop Democrats From Voting'

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In America, you need to show identification to buy alcohol, get into a bar, or apply for a job. Yet, for some reason, liberal media members think that Republicans who advocate voter ID laws do so exclusively to prevent Democrats from going to polling booths.

Such was clearly evident Friday evening when Bill Moyers discussed some recent Supreme Court rulings with CNN and New Yorker magazine's legal affairs analyst Jeffrey Toobin.

Better strap yourself in tightly, for the following from "Bill Moyers Journal" on PBS is guaranteed to offend all that actually believe voter identification should be required in every state (video embedded right):

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JEFFREY TOOBIN: Well, I think they are going to do their best to stay out of the election, per se. They are not going to have many cases that deal directly with elections. But, you know, I think, for better or worse, the Justices are who they are. There are four very conservative Justices there. They decided a case about Indiana election law.

BILL MOYERS: Upholding the state's voter identification.

JEFFREY TOOBIN: Correct. Which will-

BILL MOYERS: What did you think about that?

JEFFREY TOOBIN: Well, I thought it was a bad decision but a predictable one because it was a very clear attempt by Republicans to stop Democrats from voting. I don't think there's any doubt about what the motivation was of that law. It didn't say that in the text of the law. And the aim of stopping fraud was one that we all can embrace. But the fact is electoral fraud scarcely exists in this country. The real agenda was to help Republicans.

Electoral fraud scarcely exists in this country? In every election since November 2000, Democrats have pointed fingers at Republicans for committing fraud. In fact, Toobin alluded to this just moments prior, but seemed to conveniently forget:

Democrats are furious about Bush v. Gore. It remains the wounds that won't heal. This weekend HBO is doing a really terrifically entertaining movie version of that whole Florida struggle called Recount, based in part on my book, Too Close to Call. And in watching Democrats respond to that movie, you see the frustration, the anger, the lingering of bitterness about it. Republicans, like Antonin Scalia on 60 Minutes the other day, say, "Get over it."

Somehow Toobin forgot about this seconds after he said it. Yet, maybe most important, he later defined for viewers the significance of the upcoming elections in determining the future of the Court:

JEFFREY TOOBIN: Well, presidential elections are often decided on issues that vanish quickly after the President is inaugurated. Look at the 2000 campaign. Remember all the discussion about the Social Security lockbox? Whatever that is. I can barely remember what it is.

But if you look at George Bush's presidency, particularly his second term, what matters, the legacy he'll leave is the war in Iraq and John Roberts and Samuel Alito. And I think that's likely the case for the next President as well, that the war and the Supreme Court will be a big part of what the next President does.

BILL MOYERS: So what surprised you about McCain's speech enough for you to want to write about it this week?

JEFFREY TOOBIN: Well, what surprised me was the degree to which he embraced, in its entirety, the really strong conservative agenda that President Bush has reflected in his appointments to the Court, that this was not the maverick John McCain. This was the John McCain who needs to ingratiate himself with the base. And he did in a big way.

BILL MOYERS: But it didn't surprise me because, as you know, he's been against Roe versus Wade for a long time. He voted for every one of George W. Bush's nominations to the judiciary. I mean, this man is not surprising on the Court.

JEFFREY TOOBIN: Well, he- it's not surprising, but also he is in the midst of a general election campaign now where it is the custom to move towards the center. And he didn't move towards the center here. He-

BILL MOYERS: On the Court?

JEFFREY TOOBIN: When it comes to the Court. His rhetoric particularly when it comes to the most divisive issues like abortion, like affirmative action, like the death penalty, was very much in the vein of appealing to the hard right.

BILL MOYERS: Why then did he speak in such a circumlocution? Because he doesn't mention abortion-

JEFFREY TOOBIN: No.

BILL MOYERS: -he doesn't mention gun control. He doesn't mention any of these hot button issues that the religious right and the conservative right really think are hallowed.

JEFFREY TOOBIN: Well, McCain has a problem. His problem is on those issues the public, by and large, is against them. The public doesn't want to see Roe versus Wade overturned, doesn't want to see abortion abandoned, doesn't want to see affirmative action ended, doesn't want to see the death penalty expanded. So what he did was he spoke in code. There were dog whistles in there, words that can be heard and understood by people who are on the inside of the conservative movement - but the way he dealt with the issue was to speak in code but to speak very clearly in code. And that's what I tried to do in my New Yorker story, which was to unravel the code to make it clear what he was saying.

BILL MOYERS: The only concrete nouns he utilized in his speech were Alito and Roberts. Now, when his conservative constituency hears those words, Alito and Roberts, what are they hearing?

JEFFREY TOOBIN: Well, they're hearing that these appointments have been a homerun for the conservative movement. That Alito and Roberts have now been on the Court about three years. There is not one vote that you can point to by either one of them that could be called a surprise, that could be called evidence of moderation either in the present or possibly in the future.

They are part of the conservative movement. They have joined Scalia and Thomas to be four of the most conservative Justices this court has seen since the 1930s. And that's why they were put on the Court. And that's what John McCain wants to do with his appointment.

BILL MOYERS: So what have Roberts and Alito, Scalia, and Thomas done specifically that you say, both in The Nine and in your New Yorker piece this week, have moved the Court much closer to the right-wing agenda, to fulfilling the right-wing agenda? What have they done?

JEFFREY TOOBIN: Last term they upheld the federal abortion restrictions, the so-called late-term abortion ban. First time in history the Court has ever upheld a ban on a specific kind of abortion. And certainly laid the groundwork for overturning Roe versus Wade. That decision in Seattle in the school district in Seattle and Louisville certainly limited school districts specifically in what they could do but also was a dagger aimed at the heart of all affirmative action, any consideration of race, period.

Stop the tape. What Toobin failed to mention here is that the majority of Americans support the ban on late-term abortions. As such, this is HARDLY a right-wing agenda:

JEFFREY TOOBIN: They limited the rights to sue for employment discrimination in the Ledbetter case. They made it harder to challenge the - mingling of church and state. That's just a sampling of what they did.

BILL MOYERS: Some people criticize your book, National Review for one, as saying as going overboard on this conservative revolution, saying the Court has not moved that far to the right, as far to the right as you have described it.

JEFFREY TOOBIN: Well, I think it is important to recognize that the conservative the base of the party doesn't have total control. They have four Justices. Anthony Kennedy sides with them on certain issues but not others. He has been with the conservatives on racial issues. He has not been with them on Roe v. Wade.

So it is true that the conservatives don't have total control. But they're very close.

BILL MOYERS: That's what the election's about, right?

JEFFREY TOOBIN: That's what the elect- especially when you have John Paul Stevens just celebrating his 88th birthday. Ruth Ginsburg, her 75th birthday. David Souter, 68 and not really wanting to stay on the Court much longer. That's why it's very significant-

BILL MOYERS: What was the dog whistle Obama was blowing on the campaign trail when he mentioned the late Chief Justice Earl Warren?

JEFFREY TOOBIN: Oh, that's very clear. It is saving Roe versus Wade. It is allowing the consideration of race in college admissions. It is strict limits on the death penalty. It is special regard for the separation of church and state. You know, Obama is a former Constitutional Law Professor. And I've had the opportunity to talk to him about the Constitution. He still follows the Court very, very closely. He mentioned Souter, Ginsburg, and Breyer as Justices he admired. So I don't think there's any doubt what kind of Justices he'll appoint to-

BILL MOYERS: Liberal Justices?

JEFFREY TOOBIN: Liberal Justices but also I think Justices with some real-world experience. You know, this is the first Court in history where all nine Justices are former Federal Appeals Court Judges. I think the Court's missing something. And I think Obama feels that way, too.

So, in Toobin's view, McCain will appoint conservative justices, and Obama will offer up liberal ones:

BILL MOYERS: Do you think his strategy would be to keep the balance and instead of trying to tip the Court, the way McCain would like to tip the Court?

JEFFREY TOOBIN: No, I think he'll try to tip it his way.

JEFFREY TOOBIN: I'll say yeah, I mean, you know-

BILL MOYERS: Well, let's be very candid that you-both sides want activist judges.

JEFFREY TOOBIN: This is a big plum of being President of the United States, to have Justices who reflect your ideology. Now, if he only gets one appointment he won't have a chance much to tip the balance. But if he has two, if he has four, you bet he'll try to extend his influence. This is they don't want balance. They want victory.

BILL MOYERS: Help us understand how we watch this issue during the campaign. What will you be watching for to see how the campaign, the candidates tip their hands as far as what they will do? Of course, not just the Supreme Court but all the way down the judiciary?

JEFFREY TOOBIN: Well, the polling data I've seen suggests that the people who care strongly about the Supreme Court are the partisans on both sides. The people who are going to vote for their candidate anyway. The challenge for candidates when it comes to the Supreme Court is to make the issue real for the people in the middle. And I think Obama might well risk raising the issue of abortion at this point because it is something that candidates have generally stayed away from, but it is so close now to a court that will overthrow Roe versus Wade that that is an issue where the public is on a side. The question is can he turn it into a voting issue?

BILL MOYERS: Is this issue of the Supreme Court so important to Clinton supporters that it could be the issue that brings them to Obama in the general election?

JEFFREY TOOBIN: I think it is a very good issue for Obama to reach out to Clinton supporters, to say, "Look, I may not be your first choice, but look at the stakes of this election. If you care about choice, if you care about diversity, you need to be with me."

JEFFREY TOOBIN: So I do think it could be a powerful vehicle for reuniting the party.

On this point, I very much agree with Toobin, and think he's touched on the perfect strategy for Obama to woo back disenchanted, female Hillary supporters: vote for me if you want to preserve abortion rights. This has worked well for Democrats in the past, and could become a huge issue once the nomination process is finalized.

Stay tuned.

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.


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Noel

Did you have to watch this crap? You are more of a man than me if you do that. Thanks for reporting it. I really don't know what to call it other than crap.

“A debate is a conflict which clarifies a position. A dialogue is a conversation which compromises a position.” –John E. Ashbrook, The New Neutralism II, P. 7

Did you duct tape your head?

Noel, I hope you wrapped your head in duct tape before watching....I taped mine up right after I read the headline.....and it's a good thing too!

Lemme get this straight...

By not mentioning abortion, gun control, or any other "hot button" conservative issues McCain got the message across to conservatives that he was with us on those issues? It never ceases to amaze me that every time a Republican or conservative fails to say what liberals want to hear, they are accused of "speaking in code." By using the "code" excuse, the liberals are able to make ANYTHING into a slur, a smear, or whatever the liberals want to hear. That, my friends is a pretty sweet set up!

And if the voter ID laws are set up to prevent Democrats from voting, shouldn't that spur Democrats to stop trying to register their assortment of illegal immigrants, felons, and corpses in their "Rock the Vote" drives?

I'm PISSED!!!

I've been a Conservative for a long time; voted properly, contributed when I can, tried to convince non-believers, etc.  And now I find out that there's a code book out there that no one bothered to get to me!!!   What the hell...?  What am I, chopped liver?

And speaking of voter fraud, I guess the statute of limitations has run out on referencing Mayor Daly in Chicago and his "assistance" with elections?  And Kennedy's election?  No fraud there...

Funny, you only get the

Funny, you only get the right to vote after your dead if your a Democrat. I think there should be legislation brought forth in Congress to change that, I'd like to vote after I'm gone too.

 "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

                               " The Cake is a lie."   

The list of Democrats they

The list of Democrats they are worried about not being able to vote are:

Illegal aliens

Convicted felons

Dead Democrats

The pet animals of Democrats

Democrats that like to vote 2 or 3 times

People that Democrats like to dictate to on how to vote

 

"Forget change, I want improvement!"

kg... ...and let's not

kg...

...and let's not forget the elderly in nursing homes...

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

You forgot the mentally ill

My wife works with the menally challenged at the local high school. The students in her class can stay until they are 22 years old. Anyway this year there were Dems at the school registering voters during lunch. They registered 2 of her students that have the mentality of 3-4 year olds. I wonder how much more of this goes on.  

“A debate is a conflict which clarifies a position. A dialogue is a conversation which compromises a position.” –John E. Ashbrook, The New Neutralism II, P. 7

You are so right rick...I

You are so right rick...I have heard of that too but forgot about it, there was a good show or article, can't remember which now that had all the areas the leftist workers were going into during the 2000 election...more so than they normally have...it is was really informative, some I knew the dems did, others I had never even thought about, they leave nothing to the imagination...they won and still win Wa. State this way with these tactics just using one huge demographic like King Co. it works for them every time, even when it got challenged clear to the State Supreme Ct....sad thing about it is, when these groups like ACORN get caught doing some of their tactics, nothing happens other that a slap on the hand...

...and of course not a peep from the repub. party during all of this...makes me furious, we all know what it would be like if it was reversed with the msm, the dem party ect....

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

Well DUH!!!  If we made

Well DUH!!!  If we made sure illegal aliens, convicted felons, dead democrats, pet animals of democrats and people that democrats like to dictate to on how to vote, then NO DEMOCRAT would ever get elected.

A trueism

Count every vote and we don't care where it came from.

That is the Dem mantra.

 

We need I.D. now to vote. It is used in banks, cashing a check, and other walks of life.

We also need a literacy test when a person shows up to vote.

Voter I.D....

I am surprised that Democrats aren't pushing voter I.D. They are always going on about the sneaky doin's of Republicans in elections, so one would think that anything that would insure fairness in the process would be more than welcome...

Regarding Roe v. Wade, it is a judicial fiat that should rightly have been thrown out long ago in favor of voter choice. To this minute, this needs to be brought out, debated and decided by Americans (with legal I.D.).

 

Liberals just keep stepping in it

Like the hue and cry about Bush's talk against "appeasement," this guy (and many lefties) take voter ID laws as a slap against them. It says more about them that wanting to stop voter fraud is something they take as a personal affront.

And it is very interesting, as Noel points out, that "voter fraud" has been a rallying cry for Dems for years, but now suddenly they consider tightening voter laws as "a very clear attempt... to stop Democrats from voting."

In favor of vote fraud and appeasement, huh? At least they know which shoes fit them. If they keep this up, everyone will know.

Toobin or not too been?

Jeffry, Let me start by saying I'm not used to addressing adults using prepubescent first names.

Next, how exactly are us evil conservatives keeping democrats from voting by asking them to prove their name is I.P. Nightly, Claude Bawls, Mick E. Mouse, or Fido Smith. In case you haven't heard the media hype democrats have turned out in record numbers.

Since abortion is the

Since abortion is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion they will fight to the end for that.

As far as voter ID, the only reason they are pissed off about that is they know that by checking ID's we get to stop illegal aliens and convicted felons from voting. In other words, the base of the Democrat party.

Question

If there is very little proof of voter fraud then why would the Dems be against voter ID?

 Dontcha know Logic, most

 Dontcha know Logic, most day to day interactions such as banking, writing checks, using credit cards, driving, getting employment, gaining access to certain places, etc. etc. require one to use identication, but for some reason every Nov. 3rd there is an epidemic of biblical proportions of liberals losing thier I.D.'s.

 "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

                               " The Cake is a lie."   

JEFFREY TOOBIN: Well, I

JEFFREY TOOBIN: Well, I thought it was a bad decision but a predictable one because it was a very clear attempt by Republicans to stop Democrats from voting.

   This is true!  Republicans have no trouble with the voting early it's the voting often that's seen as a problem.  

   I often tell people that my dad was a lifelong Republican but since his death he's been voting straight democrat.

 

Toobin's a Hack

His book on the 2000 election was almost as bad as Alan Dershowitz's.

DNCNN always trots out

DNCNN always trots out chief spin shyster Jeffrey Toobin whenever the network needs to dissemble for the Democrats.  No doubt he had a highly sympathetic audience of one in LBJ's head character assassin last night.  Why, exactly, are we taxpayers forced to subsidize this garbage propaganda network anyway?

Toobin: Well, I thought it was a bad decision but a predictable one because it was a very clear attempt by Republicans to stop Democrats from voting

Accurate Translation: It was an excellent decision and a predictable one because it was a very clear attempt by Democrats to commit mass voter fraud. 

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan

Democrats - The Face of Evil!

Voting fraud doesn't exist???  Well I guess if you don't check there's no way to tell if it does or doesn't! 

If a Democrat doesn't win this year look out for the race riots of the 60's all over again. 

These Demofacist are going to bring this country to its knees! 

We are SO SCREWED!

 

Noel. Moyers/MSM bias on display here:

Noel. Here is where the bias of Moyers/MSM etc., is so clearly obvious.

The context: Moyers and guest are not interested in an investigative conversation for the viewer's enlightenment on the issue of the voter ID law or abortion.  Kept out of the conversation is information with would indeed turn it into an "intellectually stimulating exchange of varying views and ideas."

How?

Take the position on certain issues of none other than Jimmy Carter, for example. Certainly Moyers, as well as most of the liberal media and the Democrats are always impassioned by the views of Jimmy Carter.

Why not bring up the views of Jimmy Carter (or other liberals of like mind) here - on these issues? What whould Carter's view be:

1. Jimmy Carter is on record as supportive of a national Voter Photo ID. Excerpt here is from a piece by John Fund: 

..The Carter-Baker [election reform] refused 87 recommendations to improve the functioning of election systems...

..But the biggest surprise was that 18 of 21 commissioners backed a requirement that voters show some form of photo identification. They argued that with Congress passing the Real ID Act to standardize security protections for drivers' licenses in all 50 states, the time had come to standardize voter ID requirements.

2. Jimmy Carter is on record, strongly on record, in being anti-abortion. Source: Carter condemns abortion culture 

    "I never have felt that any abortion should be committed -- I think each abortion is the result of a series of errors," he told reporters over breakfast at the Ritz-CarltonHotel, while across town Senate Democrats deliberated whether to filibuster the nomination of Judge Samuel A. Alito Jr. because he may share President Bush and Mr. Carter's abhorrence of abortion. 

    "These things impact other issues on which [Mr. Bush] and I basically agree," the Georgia Democrat said. "I've never been convinced, if you let me inject my Christianity into it, that Jesus Christ would approve abortion."

Carter's view here would, it appears, make him out to be some sort of a right wing radical, who wants to steal votes from poor minorities and does not respect the rights of women to choose as they wish over the life of the unborn. 

If Bill Moyers were to bring up the views, here, of Jimmy Carter, he'll find himself without a job, as Moyer's view will not be relevant. This is not limited to Moyers, of course. Someone find me a single mainstream national journalist who will go after Jimmy Carter on these issues, with any measure of passion.

This blueprint for bias, the omission of critical information to the issue at hand, taints the discussion of every major issue facing the voters (the viewers) today; be it immigration reform, SS reform, WMD's in Iraq, education, socialized medicine, or energy policy. For each issue, the MSM will seldom bring forth the views or the voices of those folks that they deeply respect, if that view, on that issue, challenges the view of the journalist behind the show, the segment, or the article at hand.

(;~> gary

Ballsy, Toobin.

This is pretty ballsy, coming from someone who represents and is defending a party that has disenfranchised the votes of two entire states, all because they had a snit-fit over when the states decided to hold their primaries.

Gary

Gary,

Interesting. ns

well, ns

I'll be pleased as punch the first time I hear any reporter interviewing Carter, while lapping up Carter's anti-Iraq war stance, come back at him with, "so... Pres. Carter, you also were quite outspoken (you, Mandela and friends) in condemning President Clinton's bombing campaign in Kosovo, were you not?" (; gary

So what Toobin is basically

So what Toobin is basically saying is that liberal voters are too stupid or lazy to get an ID to show at the polling place? I guess since most of the liberal base is used to government handouts and everyone doing everything for them, maybe he's got a point.

This country should be doing everything to uphold the integrity of our voting procedures, and if an ID will do this then it should be made the law.

Dirty little secret:

It's true.  The Republicans do not want Democrats:
 
1.  Voting more then once.
2.  Allowing Dead voting.
3.  Allowing Criminals voting
4.  Allowing Illegal aliens voting

Elsewhere, Barack Hussein also liberally objects to voters having to have ID to vote, saying it produces a burden on them to have to remember it.

Hey, Barack: they have to produce one for their welfare check. Why not for voting?

 Todd, you are correct,

 Todd, you are correct, laughably Barack say's exactly just that. Ooops, sorry I forgot to put on clothes before leaving the house, oops I forgot to leave the pistol at home before going to the airport and so on. At any rate I think they should change the name of Hyde Park to Gorky Park,  just sayin'.

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

                               " The Cake is a lie."   

It blows me away that

It blows me away that liberals see protecting the vote as voter suppression. typical liberal BS. In PA eddie rendell vetoed a bill for ID at the polls because he knows that dems are dependent on shenanigans at the polls, especially local politics.   

 

"JEFFREY TOOBIN: Well, I

"JEFFREY TOOBIN: Well, I thought it was a bad decision but a
predictable one because it was a very clear attempt by Republicans to
stop Democrats from voting."

Wow, who knew Republicans didn't have to comply with the voter ID requirements? Oh, wait, that's right, Republicans get their ID at birth. It pops out right after they do. Only the poor downtrodden Democrats have to jump through these bureaucratic hoops designed to keep them from voting before they can get their IDs. 

It's just not right, I tell ya, it's just...not...right.

ckc... ROFLMAO! ....You

ckc...

ROFLMAO!

....You are on a roll tonight...

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

BT...

It must be the holiday weekend. And I haven't even cracked a cold one yet. ;)

Noel, along with the three

Noel, along with the three examples you have provided, I am sure that anyone entering the CNN building (where Jeffrey Toobin work) and PBS studios (where Bill Moyers work), are required to show some form of identification.

Then why is okay for CNN and PBS and not for the Federal Government?

Are Bill Moyers and Jeffery Toobin so important to merit special treatment?

Maybe someone should ask them.

 

RMR

RMR,

Very interesting point. And, whenever these folks try to enter the Capitol or the Supreme Court as a press representative, they also show press credentials.

I imagine they view this as a Republican conspiracy as well. ns

 Ummm, didn't Cynthia

 Ummm, didn't Cynthia McKinney slap a Capitol Hill policeman, over her failure to provide him with proper identification when he didn't recognize her because she got a new weave ?

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

                               " The Cake is a lie."   

Stop certain Democrats from voting

JEFFREY TOOBIN: Well, I thought it was a bad decision but a
predictable one because it was a very clear attempt by Republicans to
stop Democrats from voting.

Only the dead ones. And the illegal aliens. And the ones who are voting for the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 5th times.

When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.

Who else thinks one should

Who else thinks one should take a standard U.S. government aptitude test in order to participate in the elections? They don't have to be difficult questions; just rudimentary ones e.g. "Name the three branches of the United States government, and the role each branch plays in the federalist system."

This lie of the left is becoming tiresome.

These societal leeches can pry themselves from in front of the TV to cash their government-as in taxpayer supplied checks-each month (whatever type), get off their behinds and purchase lottery tickets by the dozens, and can always be counted on to show up at whatever protest is required, on time and on cue....

...but they cannot get off their lazy fat arses and get the proper ID that will allow them to vote legally.

Just exactly who does this Toobin idiot think he is fooling here?

We are being smothered by government in this country. - Neal Boortz

Voter ID

I have a hard time believing that if someone has the time and means to go to the polling places to vote, that somehow they do not have the time and means to get an official voter ID.

Democrats accuse Republicans of trying to prevent Democrats from voting for a reason that simply does not exist (see above), yet voter fraud is real. Could it be that Democrats know that voter fraud among Democrats far exceeds that of Republican fraud and now they are "caught with their hands in the cookie jar?"

Echo chamber

What a surprise. Moyers gave us the predictable, yet again. Moyers chose Toobin as his interview subject because he knew that Toobin would push the complete liberal line, and Toobin delivered.

They really don't appreciate how silly they sound. If the Court has four conservatives, and Kennedy is a swing vote ... then that means there must be four liberals. The Court must have been out of balance before Roberts and Alito, by their logic, because even when you count O'Connor as a swing vote, that still left the current four liberals against two moderates and three conservatives. Then Toobin warns us of the cataclysm that will happen if the Court is taken out of balance, even while he admits that there haven't been this many conservatives on the court since the 1930s. The cataclysm will be the overturning of Roe v. Wade, a decision that the Court doesn't even follow anymore itself (subsequent abortion decisions abandoned Roe's rationale, while keeping its result).

Toobin is less interesting every day. Moyers is, well, the McGovern of journalism.

Who ever decided that there

Who ever decided that there is supposed to be a "balance" on the Supreme Court?????

Of course, Liberals would be happy to forever have 4 liberals, 4 conservatives, and one liberal disguised as a "swing" vote. And none of those 5-4 or 6-3 decisions in their favor would ever be described as "splintered."

To allege that having laws for voting that everyone has to follow constitutes discrimination is just jaw-dropping.

If you can't get a legal ID, you don't vote. If Democrats are so upset about it, let them organize groups and a hotline to take people who can't get there on their own, to whatever state agency they need to go to, to get a legal ID.

The same people

Who claim they can "map" something as inherently complex as politics with a left-right line, because they'd like very much to exclude libertarians from any and all debate.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Balance is political

The myth is that while Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, and Alito are ideological conservatives, but that Stevens, Ginsburg, Breyer, and Souter aren't ideological at all. I've heard liberals claim that Bush v. Gore was a political decision because the four conservatives voted for the Republican side (which overlooks the fact that the liberals also voted the Democrat side). It's like they're accusing someone of making accusations ... they don't grasp the reflexive nature of what they're saying.

Obviously, this is prejudice desperately seeking justification. What's sad is that they immediately believe it.

You can always tell a good bust...

By who-all's NOT posting on the thread. But with all the minimal respect I can muster, can any of our local media defenders possibly explain this idiot Toobin's comments? How could ID cards be partisan, and how could identifying voters harm legitimate election activities? In a way, partisan Democrats & lefties might read Toobin's remarks as implying an increased propensity for Democrat election-criminality, so I'd think they'd be posting in this thread. But regardless of what they imply, the remarks are undeniably biased unless someone can explain otherwise.

Toobin has made various biased comments this election cycle which make me believe he does not have the intellect for his current job (see for example when I grilled Toobin's ass here about whether or not the SPP is a myth & whether or not he could at least locate & question the elusive Lou Dobbs). CNN, for your own network's good, please consider firing this biased dimwit. You wouldn't need to hire a libertarian replacement (although doing that could certainly help!) and honest potential Toobin-replacements abound among lefty-lawyers who'd love to leave the courtroom for the media.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Tacit admission that Toobin

Tacit admission that Toobin believes many Democratic votes are fraudulent.