For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: will unhappy female Clinton supporters back Obama?
If many of Mrs. Clinton’s legions of female supporters believe she was undone even in part by gender discrimination, how eagerly will they embrace Senator Barack Obama, the man who beat her? “Women felt this was their time, and this has been stolen from them,” said Marilu Sochor, 48, a real estate agent in Columbus, Ohio, and a Clinton supporter. “Sexism has played a really big role in the race.”...Cynthia Ruccia, 55, a sales director for Mary Kay cosmetics in Columbus, Ohio, is organizing a group, Clinton Supporters Count Too, of mostly women in swing states who plan to campaign against Mr. Obama in November. “We, the most loyal constituency, are being told to sit down, shut up and get to the back of the bus,” she said.
How serious might this be for Obama? Are there enough disenchanted female Hillary supporters to make a difference in key states? Or, will these folks put aside their differences for the good of their Party?
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Depends
May 20, 2008 - 11:04 ET by MeanderingTo me it depends on how the rest of the primary plays out. Also, will Hillary support Obama when the inevitable happens and she loses the primary? I'm sure she will, but will it be too late by then? Too many questions to tell now, but one can hope that the Democrats implode on themselves leaving really no alternative.
Worry for the White House
May 20, 2008 - 11:54 ET by ChrisMillsYou're right, of course. The big worry we should have is if Hillary takes the #2 spot. Clinton supporters who were supporting her because of her gender would probably settle for first female vice pres. That's the only way this election works for the dems. Obama as nominee has already abandoned white working class and women. Clinton as nominee just stole the election from Obama and the whole party implodes with charges of racism and revenge taken against superdelegates up for re-election who supported Clinton. This is our best case scenario.
No to VP
May 20, 2008 - 13:11 ET by MeanderingI believe in an interview, Michele Obama already nixed Clinton as being VP, plus I don't think Hillary would play second fiddle to this guy anyway. I just can't believe people are so taken by this guy who won't say anything except "We need Change" and will not allow anyone to say anything about him or his loud mouth wife!
But... but... but....
May 20, 2008 - 17:47 ET by Indiana JoeObama said criticism of MO is off-limits. Fair enough, IF she's not involved in policy or decisions.
"Michele Obama already nixed Clinton as being VP"
She did? Well, if the Dems are offering another "two for one," she should be fair game.
White Women will not support Obama
May 20, 2008 - 13:07 ET by PopularTechWhite Women, especially those over the age of 40 will not support Obama. Which is enough to seal his fate.
Hussein will continue to bleed white voters when it gets closer to the election and you keep hearing from our good pastor:
Obama's Pastor is an Anti-American Racist (Video) (2min)
All talk radio has to do is play this over and over.
The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource
Not just white women
May 20, 2008 - 13:14 ET by Meanderingare turned off by Obama. The nice thing is sure he will get alot of people to vote for him, but they all live in California, New York and Illinois. That's only 3 states and hardly enough to get the presidency. I'm sure other liberal states will follow, but not nearly enough to win. He's distanced himself from too many of the people that make up the country.
SUCCESS IN IRAQ: A MEDIA BLACKOUT
May 20, 2008 - 11:24 ET by Prester JohnAnother good column by Ralph Peters re: the dismal MSM coverage of what is going on in Iraq.
May 20, 2008 -- DO we still have troops in Iraq? Is there still a conflict over there?
If you rely on the so-called mainstream media, you may have difficulty answering those questions these days. As Iraqi and Coalition forces pile up one success after another, Iraq has magically vanished from the headlines.
Want a real "inconvenient truth?" Progress in Iraq is powerful and accelerating.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05202008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/success_in_iraq__a_media_blackout_111606.htm
And please note the Iraqi Army just entered Sadr City with about 10,000 troops and have not encountered any resistance.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080520/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
And now, today's Shrub
May 20, 2008 - 11:35 ET by Roger the ShrubberAnd now, today's Shrub Report®:
Screw you, soccer fans. Nobody riots like horse-racing fans!
The Party of Defeat scrambles to cover their collective butts over their hopelessly pathetic Iraq policy. How soon until the Left declare themselves the reason we are winning in Iraq? Meanwhile, the media blackout continues…
More unintended consequences of Zimbabwe: hatred knows no skin color… (caution: shocking photos).
Oh, the humanity!!!
How obsessed is The Left with color? This much.
It's time for AP's Fun with Headlines! Headline: Slumping housing market sinks Home Depot 1Q. Reality: Remove the expected one-time charge for closing some stores, and HD actually beat Wall Street expectations.
The EU wants more crops planted. Will the US follow suit and stop paying farmers to not grow crops?
Move over, MSNBC. There's soon going to be serious competition for your viewers.
Sandy Berger received how much punishment?
The biofuel industry's collective noses grew over the weekend in Spain…
I wonder why the Democrat(ic) Supreme Court chief justice, appointed by an Democrat(ic) governor and a Democrat(ic)-controlled state senate, retired at the end of 2007? Could this be why?
Even the moonbats in Minnesota realize the perils of Islam.
Today's Global Warming Update.
Today's Religion of Peace Update. And another.
Eveeeel Joos murder innocent child.
The Top Ten movie bouncers of all time. What? No Andrew Dice Clay?
And, finally, Al Gore visits Pittsburgh.
here
May 20, 2008 - 17:56 ET by TruthMongerhere roger-roger-roger...here, boy...that's it...good boy...sit...stay...click this link...
http://newsbusters.org/forums/topic-discussion/muslim-girls-rock-21375
While you keep offering
May 20, 2008 - 18:11 ET by Roger the ShrubberWhile you keep offering excuses and fluff, I keep presenting damning evidence. Even Katie Couric knows you are an idiot, Douchie. Like always, sucks to be you.
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May 20, 2008 - 22:26 ET by dahliatraversRoger, this sentence from the biofuel article:
Industry speakers said grain prices had risen due to a world-wide credit squeeze driving investment funds into commodities.
If this is true, then we know where the next investment bubble is being created. The question becomes, when do you sell your grain futures? (The answer is presumably some variation of "soon".)
Women are to Obama as Evangelicals are to McCain
May 20, 2008 - 11:43 ET by GothampcI find this election interesting. The Evangelical Christians and some Conservatives are feeling disenfranchised from the GOP and the McCain nomination. Women are disenfranchised from Obama.
If an Evangelical woman was running, I bet she'd give McCain and Obama a real run for the money. Joyce Meyer? Paula White? Marilyn Hickey?
Good analogy.
May 20, 2008 - 11:47 ET by sarcasmoAnd there's an evangelical Christian who's definitely running for President this time whether or not the antilibertarian biased media wants to notice one-bit, but Chuck was cursed by being born with the wrong sex organs. :)
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
By the time Nov. rolls
May 20, 2008 - 12:58 ET by bigtimerBy the time Nov. rolls around I think the majority of these women will vote for Obama if he is the candidate...I think there my be a handful of hold-outs with the about the power of Code Pink who may vote different, but that's about it in my opinion.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Agreed
May 20, 2008 - 13:26 ET by JDWLibs dance to the same song.
Sen Clinton lives for power. Any attempt to destroy the party will ruin her connections within thus her future and that is not on her table. If this round is not attainable, four years is not very long away.
JDW
If you mention ANWR it means you don't care about the environment but when congress says ANWR it means you don't care about the gasoline prices
Agree JDW. "Never murder
May 20, 2008 - 13:36 ET by bigtimerAgree JDW.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Kennedy has a
May 20, 2008 - 13:34 ET by bigtimerKennedy has a malignant brain tumor...just saw the headlines.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
bt... I too have been
May 20, 2008 - 13:39 ET by Clear thinkerbt...
I too have been keeping an eye on this development with the Senator. If people out there across the land are anything like me, a thousand thoughts are racing through their minds. Whether you love him or hate him please say a prayer for him and his family.
"Abstain from McCain"
my neocon fundie heart goes
May 20, 2008 - 18:00 ET by TruthMongermy neocon fundie heart goes out to the Kennedy family and the DKOS crowd at this sad and difficult time...
a tireless public servant that big ol loveable Teddy bear...
salute
Details
May 20, 2008 - 13:41 ET by Del DolemonteBy GLEN JOHNSON
Associated Press Writer
Sen. Edward M. Kennedy has a malignant brain tumor. Doctors for the Massachusetts Democrat say tests conducted after Kennedy suffered a seizure this weekend show a tumor in his left parietal lobe. Preliminary results from a biopsy of the brain identified the cause of the seizure as a malignant glioma, they said.
His treatment will be decided after more tests but the usual course includes combinations of radiation and chemotherapy.
The 76-year-old senator has been hospitalized in Boston since Saturday, when he was airlifted from Cape Cod after a seizure at his home.
His wife and children have been with him each day but have made no public statements.
His doctors said in a statement released to The Associated Press that he has had no further seizures, is in good spirits and is resting comfortably.
Malignant gliomas are a type of brain cancer diagnosed in about 9,000 Americans a year - and the most common type among adults. It's a starting diagnosis: How well patients fare depends on what specific tumor type is determined by further testing.
Average survival can range from less than a year for very advanced and aggressive types - such as glioblastomas - or to about five years for different types that are slower growing.
Del... Thanks for the
May 20, 2008 - 13:54 ET by bigtimerDel...
Thanks for the info...my aunt had one of those too, but they never figured out what was wrong until it was really too late....she had radiation, chemo was to be next but she never made it.
If they caught this early he may have luck...and lots of prayers...only the good Lord knows.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
My Mom had one of those,
May 20, 2008 - 13:46 ET by Dan The Man 2My Mom had one of those, she lived for 4 more months. He is probably a goner, Im not sure any amount of prayer with make his peace with God though. He made that choice years ago. He will probably be one of those who say Lord Lord have I not done works in your name and God will say I know you not.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Dan... Sorry your Mom had
May 20, 2008 - 13:54 ET by Clear thinkerDan...
Sorry your Mom had to go through that.
I understand that this will be a major battle for the Senator. So much so that his time as a legislator is very limited. Not because he will pass away soon, but I understand that he will spending most of his time being tested and then having an agressive treatment period. Is this correct?
"Abstain from McCain"
Probably
May 20, 2008 - 14:08 ET by JDWAs you probably know, these are most common in the primary central nervous system. Because of the late diagnosis, radiotherapy, chemo, and TMX would likely be ineffective. Chances are that his reactions will only grow worse.
JDW
If you mention ANWR it means you don't care about the environment but when congress says ANWR it means you don't care about the gasoline prices
Ted Kennedy's Tumor
May 20, 2008 - 14:01 ET by LCT688I can speak from some experience here in that this same tumor took both my mother-in-law and my brother. At the Senator's age and given that it is causing seizures it has most likely reached stage 4 or possibly stage 5, so the prognosis is probobly no more than 5 or 6 months. So inspite of my loathing for everything he stands for I would not wish this kind of suffering on him oranyone else.
"A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master and deserves one."
Alexander Hamilton
Agreed. Prayers are in
May 20, 2008 - 15:09 ET by motherbeltAgreed. Prayers are in order, for him and his family.
Experience with tumors...
May 20, 2008 - 15:31 ET by AgentAmericanMy younger brother had three before he died. I know them up close, from watching. This isn't good at all. Nothing but prayers for the Kennedy Clan.
Drill ANWAR
Today's Downsizer Dispatch quote
May 20, 2008 - 14:35 ET by sarcasmoIs too good not to share, in spite of misusing the word "liberal," which is my personal losing-battle:
"When I was young American politics were fairly straightforward:
conservatives let you keep all your money in return for telling you how
to live your life, while liberals let you live as you pleased in return
for all your money. Now the only difference is whether they want your
money or your life first." -- D.A. Ridgely
They're at http://www.downsizedc.org/
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Chuck Asay cartoon
May 20, 2008 - 15:31 ET by ricklailI enjoy looking at the cartoons of Chuck Asay. This one stands out among his best.
“A debate is a conflict which clarifies a position. A dialogue is a conversation which compromises a position.” –John E. Ashbrook, The New Neutralism II, P. 7
rickl... Priceless. "Nev
May 20, 2008 - 15:36 ET by bigtimerrickl...
Priceless.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
I know we have Newsbusted
May 20, 2008 - 18:26 ET by wiwfI know we have Newsbusted now, but whatever happened to our daily/regular Gaggle comic strip?
The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy
I'll say it, but some folks here won't like it...
May 21, 2008 - 05:43 ET by sarcasmoSomeone with a sense of humor showed us some mercy.
Please note, I think it's TOTALLY possible for a conservative comic strip to be funny. Hell, Mallard Fillmore provides proof of that on a regular basis. But Gaggle simply wasn't funny much of the time, to the point that it became an unintentional joke.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Sarc
May 21, 2008 - 07:00 ET by ricklailThanks for pointing me in the direction of Dr. Chuck Baldwin. He is my man for prez. I am going to visit my daughter and grandkids in Pensacola the first of August. His church is not too far from where she lives. Hope I can make there for one service.
“A debate is a conflict which clarifies a position. A dialogue is a conversation which compromises a position.” –John E. Ashbrook, The New Neutralism II, P. 7
He may have my vote, too.
May 21, 2008 - 07:09 ET by sarcasmoAnd a good sermon can be hard to find. Chuck's said to be quite entertaining. I'm still waiting to see what the Libertarians do, but I wish the Constitution party well.
I happen to have family up in the panhandle, too, and I plan -- hopefully this year -- to visit them in the early winter & stuff myself with enormous quantities of Apalachicola oysters. YUM!!! More religions need to declare these sinful, IMO, so there will be more for me. :)
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Not impressed
May 21, 2008 - 14:33 ET by UnsaneI'd vote for him too, but there is just a TEENSY bit more to the presidency than the weekly radio address. That, and last I checked, the President doesn't deliver Sunday sermons.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
I think it all depends on
May 20, 2008 - 18:53 ET by msh1973I think it all depends on who you talk with...I work with a couple of very liberal middle age women who hate Hillary (I am not kidding). Their opinion was that if Hillary got the nomination they would vote for McCain. They are thrilled that Obama is the likely pick. These two women think that Obama is the only person who can save the planet and restore America's place in the world. I am not making this up. Crazy!
Ugh
May 20, 2008 - 21:29 ET by UnsaneYep, I just know that Obama will make the Middle East a better place just by giving a few well-timed hugs to Assad and Achmadinejad.
(takes time to vomit)
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Yeah, you really gotta
May 21, 2008 - 01:22 ET by BDYeah, you really gotta wonder what the left thinks can be said to the thugs to get them to change their ways?
Tonight I listened to a typical wobbly wonder from Foggy Bottom talk on Fox who said that we MUST do face to face negotiation with the baddies - or nothing will change.
She was on CLintons Foreign Policy Team at the UN. (Weren't THEY terribly successful...Ha!)
What she (And all other Libs) fails to comprehend is that negotiation is only effective AFTER victory has been acheived.
Its like they have this terribly twisted view of what diplomacy is for. In effect, they see it as a way to PREVENT victory. Peace prevails at all costs and the US is preferably defanged.
Chicago Suntimes plays "guess that party"
May 21, 2008 - 05:17 ET by sarcasmoIn an amusing case involving guns and self-authored double-standards for politicians. I'm sure a "D." would have been too much effort to type, just like I'm sure they'd have also done the Republican or Green or Libertarian parties the same mediabias-courtesy of not-identifying an obvious Republican/Green/Libertarian hypocrite! Riiiiight...
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.