Remember the high and mighty rapper named Kanye West who during a telethon for Hurricane Katrina victims in September 2005 had the nerve to say on national television "George Bush doesn't care about black people?"
Well, the man media gushed over for weeks as a result of this disgraceful display apparently doesn't like receiving reviews of his concerts that give him anything less than an A-plus.
As such, on Friday, he posted a vulgarity-laden response to Entertainment Weekly which had the nerve to only rate his recent performance at the Seattle Key Arena a B-plus.
Even more absurd, according to TMZ.com, some time after posting his tirade, West edited out the most virulent of his invective:
In the original post, K finished his disemboweling of Entertainment Weekly's critic with this classy kicker: "Kill yourself Chris Willman!" referring to the EW writer who wrote the review.
What a missed opportunity for Kanye.
After all, if he had posted this about President Bush, with some tie in to the war in Iraq or the economy, he'd be the toast of the drive-by media again with high-profile TV interviews scheduled for weeks into the future.
Too bad.
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What Kanye meant was ...
May 3, 2008 - 20:06 ET by Crash... go out and have plastic surgery at the hands of a quack.
You reap what you sow
May 3, 2008 - 20:11 ET by bigtimerYou reap what you sow Kanye.
Count on it.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
West
May 3, 2008 - 20:17 ET by iveseenitallKanye Waste can speak any way he wants to. He's black! Just ask Rev. Wrong; he'll staighten you out about it.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
I don't know if it still is,
May 3, 2008 - 20:18 ET by balboaI don't know if it still is, but this used to be a huge problem for music journalists covering rap. If they gave an album a bad review, they were often threatened.
It's all part of this ridiculous "thug life" that still permeates rap.
Whaddaya mean "still"?
May 4, 2008 - 07:27 ET by WhoIsJohnGaltIsn't that the only reason rap exisits? Granted, I'm not exactly a connoisseur of crap...er, I mean "rap" music, but from my vantage point, that's all I see from that genre.
The last good rap song I heard was Commander Cody and The Lost Planet's "Hot Rod Lincoln".
There's a very good reason
May 3, 2008 - 20:25 ET by SchnikeysThere's a very good reason no one cares about black people, Kanye- and it's often because you deserve it.
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Schnikeys
May 3, 2008 - 21:16 ET by BarkerI'm sure a lot of people here, and everywhere for that matter, care about black people. I'd even go as far as to say that most people care about people, regardless. That said, it's people like Kanye West who seem to care only for themselves.
That comment of mine was
May 3, 2008 - 21:20 ET by SchnikeysThat comment of mine was slightly tongue-in-cheek. Probably should have said it in my post though.
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I knew what you meant
May 3, 2008 - 21:25 ET by bigtimerI knew what you meant Schnikeys...glad you clarified it though for those who wouldn't understand, or those who would intentionally make something out of it.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Oh okay
May 3, 2008 - 21:26 ET by BarkerThat's good to know. Thanks for the clarification.
My. Bad. Brother.
Schnikeys
May 3, 2008 - 21:57 ET by Noel SheppardSchnikeys,
Slightly tongue-in-cheek? I'm sorry, but I'm not comfortable with this. We can't fight racism with racism. After all, that's what folks like Kanye West do, and why we haven't progressed much as a nation concerning this issue for several decades.
I know you didn't express your position well. Care to give it another try? ns
Noel, what do you want us
May 3, 2008 - 22:27 ET by bigtimerNoel, what do you want us all to do ...become so PC correct we are afraid to post here because someone is afraid of how they feel becoming possibly portrayed as racist, or a word that seems to hurt someone here like what happened to RtS...come on...it is bad enough a lot of us have been afraid to post like we naturally do, I realize you want a perfect PC moderate right leaning blog to show to the world, but my goodness when we all started here, you should of let us know this fact...why do you think there is so much time in between posts even on a week day Noel?
What are we supposed to do march in lock-step with you?
I hope you are understanding me here...but then again, maybe you want to be rid of types like me here that might upset your applecart of what you think the world should be through your view-finder in life...and what I think your goal is with NBs msm wise.
Just my opinion.
How you can say we haven't progressed much in this nation regarding racism is beyond me.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
BT
May 3, 2008 - 22:35 ET by Noel SheppardBT,
Wow. You think I'm the problem? ns
Have you not noticed the
May 3, 2008 - 22:43 ET by bigtimerHave you not noticed the people who have left here, or are rarely here Noel?
I know I have to watch at times what I say about McCain, it is not what this site started as ...anyway not to my memory...don't you think other people have looked for other venues other than this PCness that this site has seem to become?
I love this site, and you know it, just seems that anybody can complain about the slightest thing anymore and they are corrected, instead of this being a voice for the people...without being fearful.
I hope you are understanding me here.
I also realize you think I am the problem...which the way this site is becoming, I suppose I am.
For that I am saddened.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
BT, Forgive me for
May 3, 2008 - 22:52 ET by SvenBT,
Forgive me for sticking my nose into this issue, but I do agree with you.
Rush has been making the point that we as conservatives are failing miserably in the arena of ideas and on particular subjects because we accept the liberals premises on things like: Global Warming (Remember Newt's stupid commercial with Pelosi), Big Oil, and now racism.
I'm sick and tired of accepting these premises.
Just my 2 cents.
BT
May 3, 2008 - 22:52 ET by Noel SheppardBT,
I think you're the problem? When have I ever given you that idea? Have I ever disparaged you in any way? You think because I disagree with you, or anyone else here, about McCain, that's a sign of disrespect?
So, folks here are allowed to bash McCain, but as one of the editors here, it's verboten for me to point out how much worse Obama and Clinton would be for this nation? Seriously?
As for folks that have left here, can you name some?
Honestly, you think I'm chasing people away from this website?
Wow. This is an eye opener. ns
Noel, No you haven't
May 3, 2008 - 23:09 ET by bigtimerNoel,
No you haven't disparaged me, but you have made sure to let your opinion be known loud and clear to posters here over time about McCain for example, or just a minute ago, you made sure to let it be known we had better not criticize the racial differences here...come on, people are like lemmings even on this side of the aisle, they are fearful of bucking the master here...and that you are.
I'm just asking you to sit back and think about it for a minute, open your eyes and think about it some...let us express ourselves without constant worry of fear of what Noel would think before we post.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
BT
May 3, 2008 - 23:16 ET by Noel SheppardBT,
And you think that's what's happening here? People are afraid to post their opinions for fear of me coming down on them? Really?
My goodness, when it comes to race issues, have you seen what I've posted today? You think my posts today concerning Moyers, Spike, and Kanye are liberal posts?
Wow.
As for fear of Noel, how often do I participate in the message boards during the week, especially during business hours? Between my real business and raising my kids, do you really think I'm overbearing at these boards during the week? Honestly? ns
Sorry Noel... It was just
May 3, 2008 - 23:23 ET by bigtimerSorry Noel...
It was just my Imagination Running Away with Me....
What was I thinking?
Please forgive me.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
BT
May 3, 2008 - 23:29 ET by Noel SheppardBT,
Wait a minute. You opened Pandora's box. Let it all out. I can take it. Maybe I need to hear some inconvenient truths from some of the original members here that I respect.
I spend a lot of time here. Maybe it's too much. ns
Oh come on Noel,I don't
May 3, 2008 - 23:50 ET by bigtimerOh come on Noel,
I don't mean you spend too much time here, not at all, and I value your opinion, it is just the way you present them, do you remember when we were going back and forth about McCain the first time, you said you would do everything you could, every single day to blog post (if that is the right terminology) until we saw it your way or some such...come on what kind of non-biased issue is that?
I am not great at finding archives, but I remember, heck I'm a woman, and we don't forget.
That is what I mean though, you can't expect people here to not know what side you are on and what people will do to please you...I am not making what I mean clear I suppose...I usually am alone, but heck this is how I see things.
For you to say we haven't made progress with the racial divide, even though you clarified this, it was the way you put it...what the heck Noel, are we all supposed to be in fear of you of how we put things in a post?
I mean... I see who is agreeing and who isn't.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
BT
May 4, 2008 - 00:04 ET by Noel SheppardBT,
Yeah, I remember that. Of course, since then, folks like Rush and Coulter, who were very much against McCain initially, have come around and realized that despite his obvious flaws, he's MUCH better than Barack or Hillary.
Regardless, to a certain extent, I think the question is whether or not I've abused my position as AE here in forcing my opinion concerning this matter on others. Have my posts changed? Are they all about McCain?
Actually, I almost never write about McCain, isn't that true? Instead, I've participated in the message boards by sharing my opinion concerning the upcoming election. Isn't that ok? I mean, we have fairly strict writing guidelines as contributors because we're a non-profit. However, inside the message boards, shouldn't I be allowed to deviate from such and opine like everyone else? Or, am I doing so either too forcefully or too frequently? ns
Noel, worry not (as if you
May 4, 2008 - 00:23 ET by bigtimerNoel, worry not (as if you are)...you are just perfect...
It is me.
Btw...like I posted you awhile back, I do not march to anybody's drummer, I don't recall Rush saying McCain is better than the other two democrats, but so what, doesn't mean I agree with him.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Hey bt...
May 4, 2008 - 00:47 ET by DEVILDOCMOMI have been following your conversation (it is only 2245 here in AZ)...did you really mean to say "McCain is better than the other two democrats"? LOL
DDC...NO."Never
May 4, 2008 - 00:50 ET by bigtimerDDC...
NO.
<edit> I should of put a smiley face on to my reply here...hope you know how I meant this.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
"PCness" on this site? Where
May 3, 2008 - 22:55 ET by balboa"PCness" on this site? Where would that be?
Maybe it just seems more civil without futbol around that often, along with SportsPolitic, and some of the far left kooks.
bal : )
May 3, 2008 - 23:00 ET bywhatever happened to
Shawn, you know that answer! It's you, me, Jer, JasonC! We're craaaaaaazy! Balboa
“i am the quixotic botg and i approved this message”
Well, of course that still
May 3, 2008 - 23:02 ET by balboaWell, of course that still applies. ;-)
Wheres RJ?
May 3, 2008 - 23:20 ET by shawn228Bal you and I were some of RJ's favorite targets. I actually miss having him around. I remember he sort of disappeared after his disagreement with Trach.
I just saw this...and I for
May 3, 2008 - 23:28 ET by bigtimerI just saw this...and I for one miss RJ a hell of a lot.
There is another prime example of who has gone...that was here from about the beginning of this blog site....he is missed by people like me.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
I miss RJ, too. My guess
May 3, 2008 - 23:45 ET by JerI miss RJ, too. My guess is--and it is strictly a guess [hopefully it is not something like a health issue]--that he was somewhat miffed by what he probably viewed as excessive Romney-bashing occurring here.
Then again, maybe he's just taking a breather.
Jer
Jer,
May 4, 2008 - 00:10 ET by R D HelmI, too, like RJ, and I also hope his infrequent posts here is not due to the unfortunate treatment he received from some of our more "zealous" members.
Though I am a Christian, I am also a libertarian. As such, I cannot condone the shabby treatment he was afforded by some here.
Remember what happened to me when I had the audacity to suggest that homosexuals had the right to be left alone?
What the American people are looking for is somebody who can solve their problems. - Barack Obama, April 27, 2008
R D...I haven't checked to
May 4, 2008 - 00:20 ET by JerR D...I haven't checked to see when RJ actually stopped or at least tapered off with his posts, but it seems that it was around the time Romney either withdrew or that his chances dimmed significantly. Again, I may be making a connection that I'm only imagining. He was taking a lot of flak over the Patriots, too.
Jer
Noel/Bigtimer
May 4, 2008 - 16:04 ET by candanceYou know I'm a big fan of you both, so I'm speaking as a neutral observer trying to give my opinion about this conversation.
IMO your disagreement over McCain is the real root of this. BT is still angry over McCain getting the nod and can't help but think supporters like Noel did her wrong. Noel is trying to be pragmatic and wants to support McCain without being a bully.
When an issue like this festers, every other confrontation is all the worse because folks are already upset.
I'm sure that sometimes Noel has to catch himself before writing about McCain because he doesn't want an argument, just like BT has to do. We are all frustrated right now and turning on each other is exactly what Satan would want.
Hi Candance... I an a
May 4, 2008 - 16:20 ET by bigtimerHi Candance...
I an a huge fan of yours too, but I am no way turning on Noel, we have had debates between us before expressing our individual opinions, not just about McCain either.
It is a great thing to be able to do so too...
I am done with this issue, our opinions were expressed and I am moving on to other blog posts.
Satan has nothing to so with this IMHO.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
BT
May 4, 2008 - 16:35 ET byyou assume Hillary isn't satan??? : )
“i am the quixotic botg and i approved this message”
LOL botg...where did I say
May 4, 2008 - 16:54 ET by bigtimerLOL botg...where did I say that?
I have stated other things exactly like those words about Hillary in lots of previous posts over the years...don't get why you inserted this?
... Help me understand I guess.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
BT
May 4, 2008 - 17:01 ET byHillary would love to see all right of center sites squabbling amongst themselves would she not? (Less time to focus on her)
Not really a point, it just stuck me as funny
“i am the quixotic botg and i approved this message”
thats two racist statements tonight Schnikeys
May 3, 2008 - 22:08 ET by shawn228Careful, your true colors are showing.
why we haven't progressed
May 3, 2008 - 22:44 ET by Svenwhy we haven't progressed much as a nation concerning this issue for several decades.
Noel, are you serious?
Sven
May 3, 2008 - 23:01 ET by Noel SheppardSven,
Yeah, I'm very serious. You think we've progressed as a nation in the past couple of decades as it concerns race? Have you been watching what's been happening in the Democrat nomination process. You think this is progress? You think rap music represents progress?
There's now an entire genre of music pointing fingers at white people for all the ills in this world. You think that's progress? I don't remember such a genre when I was growing up. Do you?
You think Farrakhan, Sharpton, and Jackson represent progress. I think they're an absolute disgrace? ns
Noel, There are many
May 3, 2008 - 23:17 ET by SvenNoel,
There are many people who want to believe that race relations in this country are what they were in 1967. They have improved a great deal. More Blacks moving into the middle class, more Blacks becoming successful business owners, more blacks earning college degrees. I can even drive down my street and see whites, blacks, hispanics etc. hanging out together, going to school together etc. Now, will race relations ever be perfect in this country? No.
While I agree with your assessment of the current Dem Primary, and the race baiters like Sharpton, Jackson and Farrakhan, race relations in this country for the average citizen (Black and White) have improved.
Sven
May 3, 2008 - 23:38 ET by Noel SheppardSven,
Well, I wouldn't go all the way back to 1967. That's a bit absurd. However, I'm not sure economic gains are demonstrative of improved relations. Know what I mean?
Take a look at the reaction to the Sean Bell verdict. Immediately, much like Rodney King and OJ, the assumption is it's racially driven. The sides are quickly drawn, the usual suspects fly in, and another racial controversy is thrust upon us despite a long, drawn out court proceeding, and a jury decision.
This is progress?
I'm just tired of it, and have a hard time believing that we're still dealing with this nonsense in 2008. ns
Noel, I do understand
May 3, 2008 - 23:57 ET by SvenNoel,
I do understand what you're saying. Without trying to be too duplistic from my previous posts, I have two observations about race relations in this country:
1. In my daily life (anecdotal), I see things better than when i was growing up concerning race. I'll agree with you that economics may not be the best indicator of healthy race realtions, but it should factor in.
2. I also believe my favorable view of race relations comes from my perspective as a conservative. For the most part, conservatives are not racists (politcally and otherwise). This Dem Primary is showing the nation who the real racists are...the Democrats and liberals, who claim to be as pure and the wind driven snow!
Hopefully, I haven't come across as too duplistic and wishy-washy on this subject.
Gosh, Sven...I was reading
May 4, 2008 - 00:07 ET by JerGosh, Sven...I was reading along, applauding your every word...and then I get to the part where it's all our fault. Sorta killed the buzz, dude [or whatever it is the kids say].
Jer
Jer, I shouldn't be
May 4, 2008 - 00:26 ET by SvenJer,
I shouldn't be posting this late ;-P
I don't mean that all Dems (the average voter/citizen) are racists, I was reffering to the leadership.
As a conservatives, the Dems (Leaders) have consistently called us racists. We were for Welfare Reform and against Affirmative Action, therefore the Dems labled us racists, even though Welfare Reform helped improve the lives of these very same minorities.
It was the GOP who were responsible for the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, yet we were labled as racists. Trent Lott makes an innocent comment at Strom Thermon's Birthday party, therefore, he's racist and must step down from his leadership position. However, not one word is ever uttered from the Dems about Senator Robert Byrd being a Grand Dragon (or Cyclops) in the KKK.
I stand by my earlier comments. This primary is showing which party really does notice the color of the person's skin.
Sorry for not clarifying my terms better.
Actually
May 4, 2008 - 00:35 ET by well99If you look at George Bush's cabinet and compare it to the Clinton's I think you will see a more diverse make up in the eight years of the Republicans.Some people talk about change others do it.
well99, Great
May 4, 2008 - 00:46 ET by Svenwell99,
Great point!
Sven ...I know it's late,
May 4, 2008 - 01:05 ET by JerSven ...I know it's late, so I'll just make a few shorthand comments:
--you make a couple of points which I have conceded in several posts over the course of my 10-11 months here, so I won't deny them now. The Democrats have been guilty of playing the race card far too often...gratuitously and frivolously. Furthermore, Trent Lott was treated shabbily...humiliated for a good-natured, although slightly imprudent, remark.
--Neither the Democratic party, nor its leadership, nor its members, nor its casual supporters are racists...although I am sure both major parties contain a number of individuals who may be so.
--The GOP was indeed instrumental in the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Many Democrats were opposed to it. It is also true that the Act's supporters were generally social liberals, while those who attempted to block it were social conservatives. And the passage of the Act was a major--albeit, not the only--factor in the stampede of many southern conservative Democrats into the Republican party.
--My recollection is that Lott's leadership position was undermined by his fellow Republicans moreso than by Democrats.
--Byrd's Klan involvement was a long, long time ago, and [I believe] has been thoroughly repudiated by him.
We can discuss this further if you wish...but not tonight.
Jer
Sven
May 4, 2008 - 00:13 ET by Noel SheppardSven,
No, not too duplistic at all.
I guess I'm looking at things a little differently. Frankly, I'm shocked that 40 years after MLK's assassination, we're still talking about race relations. I thought by now this issue would be gone.
So, I'm disappointed. Very disappointed. And, I think this year's Dem nomination process has shown just how far away we are from race not being an issue in our society.
Sadly, I now believe that not only will I never live to see peace in the Middle East, I will also never see a color-blind America. And, I don't think my kids will either.
Does that make my point clearer on a Saturday evening? ns
Noel, This has been an
May 4, 2008 - 00:42 ET by SvenNoel,
This has been an enlightning discussion for me. I agree with you that we're looking at this situation differently from one another. Your points about Rap music, Jackson, Farrakan, and Sharpton and the Dem Primary certainly show that we still have some obsticals to overcome.
I think a positive aspect of this Dem Primary, is that it is showing who the real racists are (see my response to Jer). Maybe minorities will see (if they choose to look), who've really been taking them for granted and keeping them down.
Noel, I agree that racism in this country will never be completely wiped out. I think it's part of our human (sinful) condition, but like you, I do hope it will improve.
Have a great night!
Reading all these posts at
May 4, 2008 - 05:37 ET by NortoReading all these posts at 6:17 am est gives one a perspective on who the real problem lies with. It is people of color themselves. They race into situations like the recent NYC case and stir things up-and it is the usual suspects. Kanye has made lots of money from a society he enjoys being able to say what he wants.
Ever tried to thread a needle and the thread is just too big to go through the eye? For all the white-bashing that goes on when do we get our due? As I have related so many times, Ron Brown was initiated into our WASP frat at Middlebury in 1960 by a bunch of New England boys and quite surely that was as instrumental in his success as it was in his demise. We brought him home to Maine, but were equally as careful to make sure he stayed with folks who we knew he would be comfortable with, and vice versa.
The gop has for the most part led the way in race and human realtions in the world in the last century. That comes from a strong commitment to the principals put forth in the Bible, a book that the left and the dems are just as surely trying to burn as the nazis did. My daily prayer is for a Chronicles 7:14 revival and for the naysayers of this nation to please go somewhere you will be happy, I for one am tired of the baiting for political expediency.
I am relativley sure no one will read this, it being so ipso facto.
Honestly, is it realistic to expect
May 4, 2008 - 08:04 ET by WhoIsJohnGalta colorblind *insert any society*? But that doesn't mean that because you notice and perhaps identify more so with people of a particular background or color or religion, that you are racist.
I work in a hospital and there are many blacks that work there. Fine, I don't care what color they are and I hire them if their qualifications are in order. I honestly put no thought into whom I hire, as far as color or any other such issue. No thought towards discriminating against them and no thought towards preferential treatment. But nor do I want to hang out with most of them. Not because of skin color, but because socially, we differ too much.
Neither do I have any desire to hang out with the white guys who hunt, fish and drink beer as a sport. Just not me, I have no interest in that stuff. When I go to a NASCAR race, I try to stay as far away from those guys as possible. Maybe I'm a loner, but not a racist. Anyway, there's nothing inherently wrong with "noticing" race or other such factors. Just don't make improper decisions based on it.
Noel, that was a loaded statement that you made about race relations not advancing much in recent years. You have a point, and I'm just as tired of having to address the issue as you and many people are. But there have been advances made, you'd have to admit.
Unfortuantely, there has been regression in the race issue as well. Rap is not a positive force for blacks, for example.
And yes, this year's Dem race has proven that pandering to any issue merely exacerbates that issue. The only way to move beyond the race issue is to stop trying to apologize for past mistakes with preferential treatment now.
And although I'm not at all a PC person, that original statement by whomever about "not caring about blacks" raised my eyebrows too. I don't know exactly what he meant and I attributed it to an improper expression of thought, but that sure came across as empty-headed bigotry.
colorblind
May 4, 2008 - 08:20 ET by AgnosticIt wouldn't matter if a nation were color blind or not because there would still be some that would single others out for some cause. In the ME it is religion, in Africa and ME it is tribal, in Far East it can be dialect or social. There is no shortage of ways people find to make themselves feel better by looking down on someone else. An individual act of bigotry/stupidity is shameful and can be counteracted but these blanket accusations hurt all of society and are difficult to overcome because somewhere in society there is a group of people this accusation will fill a need to support their world view - real or not.
Exactly.
May 4, 2008 - 11:28 ET by WhoIsJohnGaltExpectations of a colorblind society or eradication of all traces of prejudice are completely unrealistic and sets an impossible standard (and a great, eternal Democratic political platform!). So enact laws (which we have) protecting equal rights, prosecute where you can prove, and get on with life. People who walk around wearing the badge of discrimination as an excuse for everything do a disservice to all, especially their community.
I agree with you Noel
May 4, 2008 - 12:20 ET by DEVILDOCMOMbut, as we all know on this site, the color-blind sword cuts both ways. I often work in triage in the ER...you know, the nurse who does not let you in to see a doc...(said with smile on my face and laughing). Even in Tucson we see all races and no matter my beliefs regarding illegals I treat everyone the same. Back to the black issue...I had a woman the other day who became angry with me because I was "rude to her and did not like black people". This because I was business like and quick. I triaged her appropriately and she was taken right to an ER room with no wait...what can you say.
You know,
May 4, 2008 - 00:40 ET by DEVILDOCMOMI think I am older here than most...I grew up in Sacramento, CA and went to racially mixed schools from grammer school on thru college. The first class president I remember voting for when I was 11 or 12 was black...I never thought much about it, he was just a neat kid and the most popular-he was elected. This was somewhere in the late 1950's.
I am not sure where I am headed with this, just that we need to take each other as individuals. I did not see the problems then, just other kids...
DDC... I saw it the same
May 4, 2008 - 00:45 ET by bigtimerDDC...
I saw it the same way.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
ns -- and what doesn't help
May 4, 2008 - 06:09 ET by Jack Bauerns -- and what doesn't help are powerful TV personalities like Bill O'Reilly constantly schmoozing up to Al Sharpton on his show...
Enough already Bill. Stop legitimizing this crapball; stop making whites feel he speaks for black people instead of the small constituency he represents.
Fox has him on so much I feel that he's MY personal pastor, and mentor.
Very good points.I would
May 4, 2008 - 00:35 ET by stratmanNoel - Very good points.
I would argue, though, that there has been radical, violent and subversive music for decades if not centuries. The first example that came to my mind was Jefferson Starship's 1969 song We Can Be Together in which Paul Kanter penned the line "Up against the wall, motherf****r". This declaration has been taken to mean to kill police/the man.
The song is said to have originated, word for word in some places, from a pamphlet by an anarchistic group named "Up Against The Wall Motherf****rs". (Isn't that wholesome!) The name of the group came from a poem by Leroi Jones, AKA Amiri Baraka. Jones/Baraka bio reads like a Reverend Wright, William Ayers, Ron Karenga, Eldridge Cleaver chimera. Furthering the ironies and the parallels, Jones/Bakara is a full professor at SUNY, Stony Brook and was poet laureate for New Jersey (way to go Garden State!).
I have to admit We Can Be Together was a helluva song, with Grace Slick's clear, overarching, lyrical potty mouth bringing the refrain home. The album title song Volunteers still holds up well. As an adolescent back in 1969, the violent and subversive imagery of the songs went unrecognized. Instead, I liked the music, the harmonies, the titillation of the swearing in the songs and looking at Grace Slick.
Trivia - The word "f**k" was first said on TV in 1969 on the Dick Cavett Show, which aired uncensored Jefferson Starship performing We Can Be Together. Sorry Cher and Bono, you got beat by more than 30 years.
His music sucks
May 3, 2008 - 23:00 ET by ammo johnHe's just the typical rich Hollyweird idiot.
Noel
May 3, 2008 - 23:12 ET by shawn228I for one think you are a great moderator. You sometimes turn the other way, when a conservative is flaming a liberal, but this is conservative site and I expect it.
This site is probably the only conservative site I can think of that lets liberals post their POV. You let people pretty much say what they want and express their free speech.
I find nothing wrong with you condemning a remark that is clearly racist comment. Or is somebody going to actually try to say.its clear why no one cares about black people, because they do not deserve it is not a racist statement?
Have to agree with you Shawn
May 3, 2008 - 23:28 ET by well99The statement was like Obama's typical white person.That isnt about being "PC" it is about stereotyping folks.Glad Noel addressed it.Sterotyping folks is the wrong path to go.Shoot their are even some liberals I know that are half way decent.Give me a few days and I will try to think of a few.J/K...maybe.
Thx Well99
May 3, 2008 - 23:34 ET by shawn228Your the first voice of reason I heard tonight. I've had a few people telling me tonight that the government trying to help out of de segregation was a bad thing as well.
Shawn
May 3, 2008 - 23:45 ET by well99The Jim Crow laws were garbage.If the feds hadnt stepped in back then no telling what things would be like today.I didnt agree with bussing because you dont make kids fight the battles.Were suppose to be one country.That means every American is equal.Reverend Wright must of skipped that class at college.
exactly well
May 4, 2008 - 00:08 ET by shawn228People are trying to tell me that the feds never should have interfered with desegregation.If they did not can you imagine the racial divide in our schools right now?
I for one think the civil rights movement was a great thing. It helped shape todays world. We would not have had a Black Secretary of State, then a woman black secretary of state.
A colored person that would not have been allowed on many golf courses in the land we call America, would not be the greatest golfer in the world today and possibly the best in history after he finishes his career.
Schnikeys apparently would rather people of color to still call him masa.
Shawn
May 4, 2008 - 00:11 ET by well99It doesnt make sense to segregate folks from each other.I lived off and on in the south back then.I was a military brat at the time.The bottom line is were all Americans.It wont happen in my time and maybe not in yours but we need to put this race thing behind us.I agree the civil rights movement was important.To bad Wright didnt get the message.He is no different then the Klan.
Just a B+? His music is
May 3, 2008 - 23:10 ET by SchnikeysJust a B+?
His music is that worthy of such a mark? I disagree.
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There could be good that comes from all this Noel.
May 4, 2008 - 02:17 ET by Parker1227Maybe the Rev. Wright fiasco is a gift. Maybe it will put a public spotlight of shame on all of the 1960's race warriors who have become the monsters they once stood against.
On Kanye West
May 4, 2008 - 02:44 ET by UnsaneHe can tell me or others to commit suicide all he wants, but the fact remains that while his rhymes might be original, the music is NOT. Hence I have a hard time taking him seriously as a musician...just as I roll my eyes at hearing of a "new" Jessica Simpson song which in reality is another crappy cover (example).
Give me some Meshuggah, Tarja Turunen, and Within Temptation any day. (Along with smatterings of Rush and Dream Theater, that's where my iPOD gravitates to these days.) At least THEY are original.
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RUSH rocks!!!!!!
May 4, 2008 - 07:58 ET by ArchConservativeRUSH rocks!!!!!!
AC,
May 5, 2008 - 19:29 ET by R D HelmThat they do.
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What the American people are looking for is somebody who can solve their problems. - Barack Obama, April 27, 2008
race relations
May 4, 2008 - 06:38 ET by AgnosticI believe what we are experiencing now is the results of poor problem solving abilities in the government. Ideally a problem is studied and a solution is found that is inclusive. But complex problems and the introduction of politics into solutions creates a pendulum effect in providing a solution. By this I mean that a problem is recognized, knee-jerk solutions are thrown at the problem along with some real ideas and starts the pendulum towards the middle (solution) but politics or social engineering get involved and they push the pendulum harder and it overshoots the middle and we end up overshooting the solution and causing new problems from the opposite perspective. Hence it is now acceptable to openly hate, insult and to some degree physically abuse whites in the current social arena. That is not to say there are not areas of racism in this country where blacks are still suppressed but those areas are not of concern for the media until they can be exploited.
You can not expect the black population to be okay with everything just because the white population feels good about what they have done to make things right. Just as the black population shouldn’t feel like the people alive today are the ones that are keeping them from fully functioning in a society or that whites are to blame because society is not what they would make of it. However, when a black person, who works hard, takes care of his family and feels that he/she still deals with a society that is oppressive then most people are willing to listen. When an overpaid and uninformed celebrity opens their mouth the only people listening are the people who have class envy and those tired of the being blamed for problems they had nothing to do with. When celebrities start working to help people and stop running their mouths about things they seem to know little about then they may actually start feeling good about the positive contribution they can make to society.
I don't hate black people,
May 4, 2008 - 07:57 ET by ArchConservativeI don't hate black people, I just hate Kanye West. Another example of a racist, hate-filled individual that the Left and (d)emocrats love. Once again, their compassion and willingness to embrace all people is shown to be nothing but a giant facade. The people that are the most racist and violent are to be found on the Left. Thanks for proving that point once again Mr. West.
You support the troops by supporting the mission! If you don't support the mission, have the guts to say you don't support the troops.
Can't
May 4, 2008 - 08:20 ET by voodoodaddyCan't we all just get along.
Yes
May 4, 2008 - 09:54 ET bywhy yes we can just do everything my way : ^)
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I have one question to ask
May 4, 2008 - 09:49 ET by BobAnthonyKANYE WEST STILL EXISTS?!?!