As food prices soar, and international experts as well as media members call for action, Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK), the ranking Republican on the Senate Environment & Public Works Committee, took to the Senate floor Tuesday calling for a Congressional review of biofuel policy, and for the Environmental Protection Agency to waive the current ethanol mandates.
Coincidentally, this occurred minutes after President Bush told reporters that he believes ethanol and biofuels are key to solving the nation's long-term energy problems.
With that in mind, given the amount of press coverage biofuels have been given in the past few weeks, it will be interesting to see which side of this story media will report this evening and in the days to come.
After all, what Inhofe called for today was for Congress to "revisit the recently enacted biofuel mandate," and for the EPA to exercise its waiver provision granted in the 2007 Energy Bill "that offers protection to consumers if corn prices or availability become unsustainable."
What follows is the full prepared text of Inhofe's speech (fvideo embedded upper-right):
Senator Inhofe Floor Speech on Bio-fuels:
Washington Fuels Food Difficulties
We are in the midst of global food difficulties brought on by decades of misguided environment and energy policies. As worldwide food availability decreases and prices continue to skyrocket, decades of ill-conceived planning by politicians and bureaucrats afraid of expanding our energy supplies are now bearing an ugly fruit.
American families and the international community continue to suffer from these misguided policies; Washington must take the first steps to begin addressing these problems.
I come to the floor today to demand two dramatic and necessary actions to help mitigate our current bio-fuel policy blunder. I have always supported all forms of energy including biofuels for a diverse and stable energy mix, but current policy has skewed common sense and violated the principles of a sound energy policy.
These effects are being felt in my home state of Oklahoma where I'm hearing concerns regarding ethanol. Scott Dewald with the Oklahoma Cattlemen's Association described just one aspect of biofuel's unintended consequences on April 28, "Cow-calf producers all the way to the feeding sector are feeling the pinch of high corn prices. Today's biofuels policies have completely ignored the costs to the livestock sector."
First, Congress must revisit the recently enacted biofuel mandate, which can only be described as the most expansive bio-fuel mandate in our nation's history. The mandates were part of the last year's Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007. Congress must have the courage to address this issue and address it now.
Second, the EPA has the congressionally-given authority to waive all or portions of these food-to-fuel mandates as part of its rule-making process. The EPA must thoroughly review all options to alleviate the food and fuel disruption of the 2007 Energy Bill biofuel mandates.
Last summer, when I offered an amendment to the energy bill that would have put in place a stocks-to-use mechanism to provide the EPA administrator more flexibility in waiver authority in the instance of crop shortages, I was told by the majority whip that my amendment was not necessary. Incidentally, The Hill newspaper reported yesterday that the same majority whip who said my amendment was not necessary now acknowledges that "U.S. ethanol policies may be partly to blame for a global food crisis threatening to leave millions hungry." (LINK)
During 2007 floor debate he said that "there is already a waiver provision in the bill that offers protection to consumers if corn prices or availability become unsustainable." Last June when I offered this amendment, corn was trading at $3.70 a bushel. Less than a year later corn is now trading at nearly $6.00 per bushel. Corn prices and availability are now unsustainable. I ask my colleagues who opposed my amendment to now join me in calling for EPA to exercise this waiver authority provided in the underlying bill.
I am working with my colleague Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX) to urge the EPA to take action. Senator Hutchison also announced she is "introducing legislation that will freeze the biofuel mandate at current levels, instead of steadily increasing it through 2022." Senator Hutchison correctly noted that "this is a common-sense measure that will reduce pressure on global food prices and restore balance to America's energy policy." (LINK)
The whole world is now reacting to the consequences of over-zealous bio-fuel mandates. While I supported realistic mandates in the past and I continue to support the development of cellulosic ethanol, I was one of eight Senators who voted against the 2007 Energy Bill with its restrictive biofuel mandates last December.
On Tuesday, December 4, 2007, I joined with several Senators, including Jack Reed (D-RI), Benjamin L. Cardin (D - MD), Bernard Sanders (I-VT) and Susan M. Collins (R - ME), in writing a letter to the President to "urge [the] Administration to carefully evaluate and respond to unintended public health and safety risks that could result from the increased use of ethanol as a ‘general purpose' transportation fuel."
The letter noted that the administration had called for a national effort to reduce consumers' demand for gasoline by 20 percent in ten years, in part through increased use of renewable transportation fuels such as ethanol. Sadly, these onerous bio-fuel mandates which would significantly increase renewable fuel use - particularly the use of ethanol - over the next two decades, became law.
Since December, the world has been confronted with irrefutable evidence that our current bio-fuels mandates are having massive and potentially life threatening consequences.
Once again, we are reminded how restrictive government mandates and ill-advised bureaucratic meddling produce unintended consequences. Trying to centrally manage and "plan" a global food distribution network and economy through clumsy, unrealistically high mandates has been a proven failure.
An April 28 article on our current bio-fuel mandates in the National Review by Phil Kerpen and James Valvo detailed the mindset of bureaucratic planners.
"Each new generation of central planners believes the previous generation wasn't smart enough. Yet central economic planning is forever doomed to failure since the approach itself limits human freedom, ingenuity, entrepreneurship, and innovation."
To put it into simpler terms: As Ronald Reagan once said, "The more the plans fail, the more the planners plan."
A large auto manufacturer has erected a billboard for their line-up of so-called eco-friendly cars that run on ethanol that is currently being prominently displayed not far from the U.S. Capitol. This advertisement asks a simple question:
"WHY DRILL FOR FUEL WHEN YOU CAN GROW IT?"
A politically correct question to which the auto company's marketing team must have thought was an obvious answer.
Let me allow world leaders, mainstream media outlets, the UN, and former believers in mandated government standards to further answer the billboard's marketing campaign in no uncertain terms.
"WHY DRILL FOR FUEL WHEN YOU CAN GROW IT?"
The Answer:
"When millions of people are going hungry, it's a crime against humanity that food should be diverted to bio-fuels," India's finance minister said, earlier this month.
Italian Prime Minister Romano Prodi said food prices were raising the specter of famine in some countries. "A conflict [is] emerging between foodstuffs and fuel ... with disastrous social conflicts and dubious environmental results."
UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown has called for a reevaluation of bio-fuels. "Now we know that bio-fuels, intended to promote energy independence and combat climate change, are frequently energy inefficient," Brown said. "We need to look closely at the impact on food prices and the environment of different production methods and to ensure we are more selective in our support." The Scotsman Brown also noted that hunger is "the number one threat to public health across the world, responsible for a third of child deaths. Tackling hunger is a moral challenge to each of us." (LINK)
The President of the European Commission Jose Manuel Barroso has now called for "an investigation into whether the push for bio-fuels is to blame for rising food prices." According to an article in the UK Register, the EU "may cancel its target of requiring ten per cent of petrol and diesel to be bio-fuel by 2020." The article explained: "Recent weeks have seen riots over food prices in Egypt, Haiti, Indonesia and Mauritania. [...] Rice prices have hit record levels this year and several countries have banned exports - India has renewed a ban on all exports of non-basmati rice." (LINK)
U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon warned in April that high food prices could wipe out progress in reducing poverty and hurt global economic growth. The UN Secretary-General said, "This steeply rising price of food has developed into a real global crisis." He called for world leaders to meet on an "urgent basis." (LINK)
The head of the UN World Food Program summed up global food difficulties this way: "A silent tsunami which knows no borders sweeping the world." April 22, 2008 (LINK)
On April 25, the UN food agency chief Jacques Diouf on Friday warned of possible "civil war" in some countries because of global food shortages. (LINK)
Now, I just want to pause a moment here and note that some of the rhetoric by the United Nations and others may be a bit over the top and prone to hyped alarmism. I have taken to this chamber many times to debunk so called environmental "crises" and media manipulation of environmental issues.
I do not want to now be accused of overhyping our current global food situation. But please do not let over-the-top rhetoric obscure the fact that the world is currently facing a serious bio-fuel mandate problem that needs remedying.
Ironically, the anti-energy environmental left has spent decades warning of various crises that never seem to materialize. You have to give the environmentalists credit, they may finally get their bona fide "crisis," but alas, it will be one created by the very policies they advocated.
Perhaps most interesting is that mainstream news outlets have now turned on bio-fuels and in particular corn ethanol. Publications that normally uncritically parrot the left-wing environmental agenda are now among the biggest denouncers of our current bio-fuel policies.
The New York Times has stated, "Soaring food prices, driven in part by demand for ethanol made from corn, have helped slash the amount of food aid the government buys to its lowest level in a decade, possibly resulting in more hungry people around the world this year." (LINK)
Time Magazine was blunt in an April 7, 2008, article titled "The Clean Energy Scam," by reporter Michael Grunwald: Grunwald wrote that our current policies on corn ethanol are "environmentally disastrous." "The bio-fuels boom, in short, is one that could haunt the planet for generations--and it's only getting started," Grunwald wrote.
Time Magazine also featured Tim Searchinger, a Princeton scholar and former Environmental Defense attorney. Searchinger said, "People don't want to believe renewable fuels could be bad. But when you realize we're tearing down rain forests that store loads of carbon to grow crops that store much less carbon, it becomes obvious." Time Magazine also said the rising prices were "spurring a dramatic expansion of Brazilian agriculture, which is invading the Amazon [rainforest] at an increasingly alarming rate."
Former CBS Newsman Dan Rather has also weighed in. Rather wrote on April 27: When more acreage is devoted to corn for ethanol, less is available for food production. [...] Here in the United States, food is less often a matter of life or death, but it is putting an additional and dangerous strain on families who are already struggling to get by in a faltering economy." (LINK)
Rather added: "Already there are reports of charitable food pantries unable to meet the needs of those they serve."
The New York Sun put it bluntly this month about the impact of our policies. "Food Rationing Confronts Breadbasket of the World," read an April 21 article. (LINK)
A 2007 study by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development concluded that bio-fuels "offer a cure [for oil dependence] that is worse than the disease." Other organizations have weighed in. The National Academy of Sciences conducted a study finding corn-based ethanol may strain water supplies. The American Lung Association has raised air pollution concerns from burning ethanol in gasoline. (LINK)
Cornell Ecology Professor David Pimental called our current ethanol policies a "boondoggle." Pimental said, "It does require 30% more energy oil equivalents to produce a gallon of ethanol than you actually get out, and it causes a lot of severe environmental problems. It takes 1,700 gallons of water to produce 1 gallon of ethanol."
Friends of the Earth has urged the UK to abandon its current bio-fuel targets. Food campaigner Vicky Hird of Friends of the Earth said, "[UK Prime Minister] Gordon Brown is right to be concerned about the impact of bio-fuels on food prices and the environment. Evidence is growing that they cause more harm than good. Food production must be revolutionised to prevent a global catastrophe." (LINK)
Jane Goodall, the internationally famous primate conservationist, warned about bio-fuels and the impact on rain forests in Asia, Africa, and South America. "We're cutting down forests now to grow sugarcane and palm oil for bio-fuels," Goodall said on September 26, 2007.
The group Clean Air Task Force recently reported that nearly 12 million hectares of peat land in Indonesia has been converted to accommodate a palm oil plantation. The land was reportedly drained, cleared, and burned for conversion to a plantation. (LINK)
Even Miles O'Brien of CNN, a man whom I have been harshly critical of for his climate change reporting, understands our current problems.
O'Brien reported on CNN on February 21, 2008, that "if every last ear of corn grown in America were used for ethanol, it would reduce our oil consumption by only 7 percent." O'Brien also reported, "Corn ethanol is not as clean, efficient, or practical as the politicians claim." (LINK)
Lester Brown, who has been dubbed "the guru of the environmental movement," has added his voice in opposition to our current bio-fuel policies.
Brown co-wrote on April 22, "It is in this spirit that today, Earth Day, we call upon Congress to revisit recently enacted federal mandates requiring the diversion of foodstuffs for production of bio-fuels."
Brown wrote that our current bio-fuel mandate was "causing environmental harm and contributing to a growing global food crisis."
Brown continued: "Turning one-fourth of our corn into fuel is affecting global food prices. U.S. food prices are rising at twice the rate of inflation, hitting the pocketbooks of lower-income Americans and people living on fixed incomes. [...] America must stop contributing to food price inflation through mandates that force us to use food to feed our cars instead of to feed people.
Brown concluded: "It is impossible to avoid the conclusion that food-to-fuel mandates have failed. Congress took a big chance on bio-fuels that, unfortunately, has not worked out. Now, in the spirit of progress, let us learn the appropriate lessons from this setback, and let us act quickly to mitigate the damage and set upon a new course that holds greater promise for meeting the challenges ahead."
Now when you have Lester Brown, Miles O'Brien, Dan Rather, Time Magazine, the New York Times, the United Nations, and James Inhofe all in agreement on changing an environmental policy, you can rest assured the policy is horribly misguided.
All of these publications and individuals now realize the pure folly of the Federal government's bio-fuels mandates.
# # #
How Did We Get Here?
As chairman of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, I worked successfully with my colleagues to create a comprehensive, yet measured program. The result of this work, the Reliable Fuels Act, was ultimately incorporated into the 2005 Energy Bill.
This original Renewable Fuels Standard (RFS) took a common sense approach in that it prescribed just 4 billion gallons of renewable fuels in 2006, growing to a feasible 7.5 billion gallons in 2012. This slow ramp-up allowed time and flexibility for the many foreseen and unforeseen challenges likely to surface with the implementation of such a program.
Under my leadership, the committee held at least 13 hearings on the RFS program, examining issues from the future of transportation fuels to the most recent and unfortunately last oversight hearing in September 2006 which highlighted the implementation of the RFS program.
However, despite the enormous amount of attention and the eventual legislative enactment of a now greatly expanded RFS program, the EPW committee has failed to hold even one hearing on RFS this Congress, although it is the primary committee of jurisdiction for the program.
Despite the EPW committees failure to conduct any oversight, by 2007 it had become increasingly clear that to double the RFS mandate into a shorter timeframe would prove reckless and premature. Yet many in Congress refused to acknowledge the many warning signs.
The 2007 Energy Bill mandated 36 billion gallons of bio-fuels by 2022. Of this, 15 billion gallons are now required from corn based ethanol by just 2015.
Washington was abuzz last year with talk of energy independence, cutting our reliance on foreign sources of energy, increasing supplies of fuels, investing in bio-fuels, lowering the price of energy - especially prices at the pump- all fine goals. Yet, this Congress' actions didn't meet its rhetoric.
I believe a secure energy supply must be grounded in three key principles -- stability, diversity, and affordability. Our policies must promote domestic energy production including oil, gas, nuclear, coal, as well as renewable forms.
What the Democrats and the green movement fail to understand is that environmental regulations are not free - they have a very real price.We should be producing more fuel at home - it's good for security, it's good for jobs, and it's good for consumers.
We are currently hearing from many quarters about the expansion of corn ethanol.
Let me put it bluntly: Corn ethanol unchecked might contribute marginally to energy security but it reduces our economic security.
We should consider the costs on other domestic industries - particularly the livestock and poultry industries. Coalitions of 15 industry groups from Coke and Pepsi to the National Pork Producers Council and Turkey Federation have sent leaders in the Senate a letter opposing more corn ethanol. The National Cattlemen's Beef Association declared its opposition to increasing the ethanol mandate or extending subsidies for corn ethanol. The high price of corn has really hurt our livestock - a cattleman cannot just pass the higher costs on to consumers because if the price goes too high they will buy something else instead. Creating conflicts between food, feed, and fuel poses many problems.
Fortunately, all ethanol is not created equal. The idea that we can grow energy rich crops all over the country - not just in the Midwest - is something worth considering, and that's why I support research into cellulosic biomass ethanol. I am particularly pleased by the efforts taking place in Oklahoma. This week, the Oklahoman reported in an April 28, 2008 article:
"As experts turn against corn ethanol, Oklahoma is continuing to elbow for a spot in the so-called second generation of the biofuels movement - a generation that won't use food for fuel. In recent months, turning corn into fuel has met criticism on two fronts: It's been blamed as a factor in sky-high food prices that have led to riots in Asia, Africa and Haiti; and it's been cast as an environmental villain, since studies say corn ethanol, on the whole, creates more greenhouse gas emissions than gasoline. But Oklahoma's biofuels industry is going down a different path. Since last year, the state has been investing tax money in switchgrass - a potential biofuel that's no good for food and is praised for its environmental benefits."
Working with Congressman Frank Lucas, I sponsored and secured Senate passage of the first national transitional assistance program to help farmers grow dedicated energy crops for cellulosic biofuels. This measure is vital to the development of cellulosic biofuels in the United States because it would encourage U.S. agricultural producers within a 50-mile radius of a cellulosic biorefinery to produce non-food energy crops for clean-burning fuels.
Additionally, I am proud of the research taking place in Oklahoma that is being done by the Noble Foundation and its partners. By focusing on cellulosic ethanol, we can stimulate a biofuels industry that doesn't compete with other domestic agriculture. And since you can grow it all over the country you avoid the transportation problems of Midwest-focused ethanol. Cellulosic ethanol can increase both energy and economic security.
Washington has a long way to go to get energy policy right.
The future of energy is going to require a wide variety of fuels and approaches. We all need to work together to achieve our common goals. The only way they can defeat you is to divide you. We have seen some examples of that recently, but you all need to work together.
I call on all of you here today to set aside your differences and instead work together for an abundant, secure and environmentally sound energy future.It is worth repeating:
When you have Lester Brown, Miles O'Brien, Dan Rather, Time Magazine, the New York Times, the United Nations, and James Inhofe all in agreement on changing an environmental policy, you can rest assured the policy is horribly misguided.
All of these publications and individuals now realize the pure folly of the Federal government's current bio-fuel mandates.
Once again, I call on Congress to revisit the recently enacted bio-fuel mandate. Congress must have the courage to address this issue and address it now.
Second, the EPA must exercise its congressionally-given authority to waive all or portions of these food-to-fuel mandates as part of its rule-making process. The EPA must thoroughly review all options to alleviate the food and fuel disruption of the 2007 Energy Bill biofuel mandates.
Washington must act now.
Folks wanting lower food prices should be very interested in how much press coverage Inhofe's speech gets this evening and in the days to come.
Stay tuned.
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...and when are we going to
April 29, 2008 - 11:36 ET by tater...and when are we going to get the fact from the media that it was St. Al Gore...Mr. Nobel Prize winner that cast the tie breaking vote for the ethanol mandate. I'm betting never.
"They need to have a course in college called common sense and everyone should take it. Problem is there isn't too many people that could pass or teach it." -my grandfather
The voice of reason crying
April 29, 2008 - 11:55 ET by dscottThe voice of reason crying in the wilderness of political correctness. How convenient, so it's the EPA's job to decide when corn prices are unsustainable? That makes no sense at all, why not the Department of Agriculture? The job of the EPA is control of pollution not the price of food commodities. How stupid can you pols be? Answer: potential starvation of millions.
If this is the case then President Bush should direct the head of EPA to suspend all corn based ethanol mandates immediately, suspend all ethanol percentage requirements on gasoline and phase out the corn based ethanol subsidies over a year. The department of Agriculture should suspend all "no plant" subsidies to let the market operate without the interference of bureaucrats who have so royally screwed up the process.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
GOD BLESS
April 29, 2008 - 12:12 ET by DelsaJames Inhofe
If this would be amplified by republicans the voters of all stripes would begin yelling at the top of their lungs.
Thanks for this information
April 29, 2008 - 12:21 ET by bigtimerThanks for this information here...Inhofe is one of my fav's in the Senate and he gets little recognition msm wise...he has been a lone soldier at times...he may be on a show Like Beck's sometimes I have seen him on Dobb's if I happen to catch it...but this is all rare...it is maddening.
I hope he keeps fighting the good fight, even the msm is going to have to pay attention to all that was mentioned here and to what the President said today about being self-dependent here with oil....it may take awhile yet, but it is going to have to happen, unless congress does something about all of this, and I don't see it happening anytime soon, the majority could care less about us out here when it is an election year coming up...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
The growing of non-food
April 29, 2008 - 12:26 ET by ckc1227The growing of non-food biofuels like switchgrass may still cause food shortages. Why? Because, just like is happening today, farmers may choose to grow the more profitable switchgrass(or whatever the biofuel crop of choice is) instead of food crops. Plus, the amount of land necessary to grow enough product to fuel the entire country would inevitably cut into some of the land currently used for food. Sorry, but I just don't see this as a problem we can grow ourselves out of, I just don't.
The switchgrass to ethanol
April 29, 2008 - 12:34 ET by dscottThe switchgrass to ethanol is a panacea. Like you said, instead of corn they will plant switchgrass which isn't that productive either. I am surprised thou that sugar beats, which produce almost the equivalent of sugar cane in terms of ethanol output, isn't surpasing corn. This is why the "No Plant" subsidy payments must stop as well, this way all fields will be put into production.
The only subsidy I think I would sign onto for the very short term, like 5 years max, would be conversion of sewage to ethanol or methane.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
As long as they don't consider/think-about
April 29, 2008 - 12:38 ET by sarcasmoHemp, which in addition to growing like "a weed" on marginal land with minimal H2O, has a variety of nonpsychoactive uses besides unsubsidized fuel production. Drugwar Uber Alles.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Pot Heads for Hemp
April 29, 2008 - 13:14 ET by PopularTechYes, pot heads want us to grow hemp so they can smoke it but pretend to speak of it's "good qualities" all the while ignoring the scientific evidence otherwise:
Addiction:
Marijuana Withdrawal As Bad As Withdrawal From Cigarettes (Science Daily)
Marijuana Withdrawal Reported By Teens Seeking Treatment (Science Daily)
NIDA Researchers Find That Animals Exposed To Marijuana's Active Component Will Self-Administer The Drug (Science Daily)
Smoking, Drinking, Drugs: The Younger They Start, The Harder It Is To Quit (Science Daily)
Negative Health Effects:
Brain Damage - Cannabis Could Increase Risks Of Psychotic Illness By 40 Percent (Science Daily)
Brain Damage - Cannabis Increases Risk Of Psychosis (Science Daily)
Brain Damage - How Smoking Marijuana Damages The Fetal Brain (Science Daily)
Brain Damage - Marijuana Use Affects Blood Flow In Brain Even After Abstinence (Science Daily)
Brain Damage - More Evidence Of Cannabis-induced Psychosis (Science Daily)
Brain Damage - Smoking Marijuana Impairs Cognitive Function In MS Patients, Study Shows (Science Daily)
Brain Damage - Study Finds Cannabis Triggers Transient Schizophrenia-like Symptoms (Science Daily)
Brain Damage - Teen Drug Use Associated With Psychiatric Disorders Later In Life (Science Daily)
Cancer - Marijuana Use Associated with HPV-Positive Head and Neck Cancer, Study Shows (Science Daily)
Cancer - Researchers At UCLA's Jonsson Cancer Center Report Smoking Marijuana May Increase Risk Of Head And Neck Cancers (Science Daily)
Gum Disease - Heavy Marijuana Use Linked To Gum Disease, Study Shows (Science Daily)
Heart Disease - Regular Cannabis May Increase Risk Of Stroke In Young Users (Science Daily)
Heart Disease - Study Finds Marijuana Use May Pose Health Threat To Baby Boomers (Science Daily)
Infertility - Marijuana-Like Compounds May Alter Human Fertility, UB Researchers Show (Science Daily)
Infertility - Sperm From Marijuana Smokers Move Too Fast Too Early, Impairing Fertility, UB Research Shows (Science Daily)
Infertility - Study Finds; Abusing Marijuana May Overload System, Inhibit Fertility (Science Daily)
Lung Disease - Impact On Lungs Of One Cannabis Joint Equal To Up To Five Cigarettes (Science Daily)
Lung Disease - Long-term Marijuana Smoking Leads To Respiratory Complaints (Science Daily)
Lung Disease - Marijuana Smoke Contains Higher Levels Of Certain Toxins Than Tobacco Smoke (Science Daily)
Lung Disease - Marijuana Smokers Face Rapid Lung Destruction -- As Much As 20 Years Ahead Of Tobacco Smokers (Science Daily)
Lung Disease - Marijuana Worsens COPD Symptoms In Current Cigarette Smokers (Science Daily)
Obesity - Machinery Of The 'Marijuana Munchies' (Science Daily)
Pregnancy Failure - Marijuana Use Causes Early Pregnancy Failure (Science Daily)
Viral Infection - Marijuana Component Opens The Door For Virus That Causes Kaposi's Sarcoma (Science Daily)
Viral Infection - Regular Marijuana Use Increases Risk Of Hepatitis C-related Liver Damage (Science Daily)
Cannabis Almost Doubles Risk Of Fatal Crashes (Science Daily)
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Dimwits for off-topic posts.
April 29, 2008 - 13:23 ET by sarcasmoI was talking about the non-psychoactive uses of hemp. They exist, like it or not, and they'd likely do better in a truly free marketplace than "switchgrass" or corn, absent subsidies. Conservative" hate for pot smokers is odd, too, considering all the conservative cigar and cigarette smokers who will be next to attack on the prohibitionist agenda. Anyway, I'm not impressed with your attempt to drag us off topic, and it shows.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
sarc
April 29, 2008 - 13:26 ET by candanceI actually agree with you. If hemp could somehow be turned into fuel or used in other harmless ways, I'd be all for it. Surely the stuff serves some kind of purpose - smoking it just doesn't seem to be it.
And I didn't infer from your above post that you wanted to legalize smoking.
The uses are manifold.
April 29, 2008 - 13:34 ET by sarcasmoThanks. Believe it or not, I truly think that God's smarter than politicians, even Republican ones. He made very useful plants for us because He loves us. Getting high and pain relief are NOT the only uses of hemp.
Hell, Thomas Jefferson himself used it as an effective herbicide, because it tends to outgrow and overshade other plants and TJ didn't have "RoundUp." What I hate (so I start calling names, like "dimwit") is when drug war worshippers want to make EVERYTHING about getting high. It's not like they don't get their intellectual asses reliably handed to 'em every time an actual debate happens, but not EVERY conversation needs to be over getting high/accusations of getting high, etc. It's boring. And, frankly, dimwitted.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Sarc, this really isn't
April 29, 2008 - 14:06 ET by dscottSarc, this really isn't that great either: http://fuelandfiber.com/Hemp4NRG/Hemp4NRGRV3.htm
Another approach will involve conversion of cellulose to ethanol, which can be done in several ways including gasification, acid hydrolysis and a technology utilizing engineered enzymes to convert cellulose to glucose, which is then fermented to make alcohol. Still another approach using enzymes will convert cellulose directly to alcohol, which leads to substantial process cost savings.
Current costs associated with these conversion processes are about $1.37[vi] per gallon of fuel produced, plus the cost of the feedstock. Of this $1.37, enzyme costs are about $0.50 per gallon; current research efforts are directed toward reduction of this amount to $0.05 per gallon. There is a Federal tax credit of $0.54 per gallon and a number of other various incentives available. Conversion rates range from a low of 25-30 gallons per ton of biomass to 100 gallons per ton using the latest technology
Of course, in order to make this in any significant quantity to offset gasoline use, we are still looking at displacing crop land to make ethanol. Any significant use of crop land to make ethanol given the what we have just experienced is a non-starter. Some agency would have to tightly regulate how much land would be allowed for ethanol production and I believe as a Libertarian you would find this is unacceptable.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
It looks hypothetical to me...
April 29, 2008 - 14:18 ET by sarcasmoWill it work in a free market better than the current/future subsidy-whores like corn/switchgrass? Who knows? But the idea that it's not worth trying is clueless, IMO. Note also there's both seed oil and cellulose to consider, along with fiber and other products, to make it compete in a (gasp) free market for a change. These people are projecting, IMO. Said free market hasn't been tried in modern times when it comes to hemp for fiber, food, and fuel, and we both know it, even though Canada retains a small vestige of farming freedom.
And, since the predictable dimwittery has already infected this thread, note what I've said at least once here -- legal hemp would literally be a NIGHTMARE to the recreational pot users many conservatives here hate so-irrationally. Pollen on that scale would effectively make outdoor sinsemilla (Spanish for "without seeds") pot, which is the most expensive/potent variety, impossible.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Sarc, why bother with
April 29, 2008 - 15:15 ET by dscottSarc, why bother with switchgrass or hemp when you pretty much can calculate the results? Diversion of cropland to fuel production it's not that difficult to calculate. You don't have to experience the mistake in order to realize it is a mistake.
Hemp to Bio-diesel
Grown for oilseed, Canadian grower's yields average 1 tonne/hectare, or about 400 lbs. per acre. Cannabis seed contains about 28% oil (112 lbs.), or about 15 gallons per acre.
Hemp to ethanol
Conversion rates range from a low of 25-30 gallons per ton of biomass to 100 gallons per ton using the latest technology.
Anyway you slice it, it doesn't even come close to the scales we need even for 10% ethanol in all our gasoline! With the ending penalty of 1.5% at minimum of lost mpg. We haven't even calculated the starting penalty of all the fuel needed to plant and harvest the crop. Cellostic ethanol only makes sense from a waste to ethanol conversion since you have to expend energy anyway to dispose of waste.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
It will grow on marginal land
April 29, 2008 - 15:22 ET by sarcasmoMeaning no diversion of food crops, and with minimal H2O/pesticides, meaning cotton farmers will finally have to compete with another fiber. What are conservatives so worried about if hemp's supposedly so-sure to fail in the free market?? Let 'em all compete, let's just quit with the subsidies for once and see who comes out on top. If one of the other alternatives is better & hemp's worse in a free marketplace with no subsidies whatsoever for anyone, hemp won't be farmed. But right now, despite a blatantly-racist (see below) history-challenged, expensive, and draconian prohibition scheme that keeps growing dumber & bigger by the year, it still IS grown by some farmers, and not just for its psychoactive uses.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Sarc, I'm not interested in
April 29, 2008 - 15:31 ET by dscottSarc, I'm not interested in debating the merits of hemp's other uses whether currently legal or not. My objection to hemp is the same as with switchgrass, diversion of EXISTING cropland for fuel.
Now as to cotton (for clothing and cloth), you might have a point but only in as far as IF the demand for clothing and cloth were so massive (with no other viable alternatives) on the order of supplying fuel for even 10% of the US needs as to compete with food crops. IMO, your example of cotton is comparing apples to oranges.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
EXISTING cropland is exactly my point!
April 29, 2008 - 15:52 ET by sarcasmoHence the word "marginal" above -- corn isn't the same kind of crop at all, it requires much better land. The fiber (and I haven't even mentioned food much) uses are examples of how the hypotheticals might not be as good of a judge of the merits as the free marketplace in the real world would be, if we ever just would try capitalism for a change. If we tried capitalism, I'd bet farmers would divert their crops to the best possible uses instead of centrally-planned government approved uses. Isn't that what fiscal conservatives are s'posed to want??
As for apples to oranges, they both have juice, but they're different. Cotton is incredibly pesticide and fertilizer intense, and produces a shorter, weaker fiber than hemp. Frankly, I don't think cotton's apples can compete with hemp's oranges in a free marketplace. Hell, even under the history-impaired stupidity of cannabis prohibition right now (which is effectively an immense cotton-subsidy by my tax dollars) hippie capitalists reliably-infuriate certain conservatives simply by selling/wearing/using hemp fiber instead of just smoking pot. They do this despite threats from big government to put them in cages, and I find it heartening that a few of them are even getting rich.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Sarc is the new Thomas Jefferson!
April 29, 2008 - 18:30 ET by PopularTechYes of course this has nothing to do with getting high and all about your concern for all the "good" uses of the medical miracle that is Hemp! You really don't smoke it either and don't ever get high but honestly want to be the new Thomas Jefferson! Oh please I laugh everytime I see a Pot Head try to push Hemp Propaganda as being such a fantastic plant that everyone but the Pot Heads realize is so fantastic. Excuse me while I get my "intellectual" ass handed to me after citing 30 scientific studies.
I can spot a pot head miles away, just look for the offtopic interjection of Hemp.
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Again, you're full of crap.
April 29, 2008 - 18:33 ET by sarcasmoAnd you know it. That's why you're trying ad hominem instead of intelligent argument, and why you're so far off topic. You have now been spanked, just like Jacob Sullum did the smackdown above in the actual debate I linked to. Deal with it.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
You have overwhelmed me
April 29, 2008 - 18:40 ET by PopularTechYour scientific argument and supporting studies for the miracle fuel that is Hemp is spanking me around so bad I cannot sit down.
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that could be an issue...
April 29, 2008 - 19:00 ET by sarcasmoConsidering the fact that you're full of crap!
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Hemp is a miracle fuel because I am full of crap
April 29, 2008 - 19:10 ET by PopularTechWow! I see the light! Legalize Hemp now, the science is in and the debate is over Hemp is the new miracle fuel because I am full of crap and it is illegal!
I am so happy we had this "scientific" discussion.
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Scientific Study For Hemp Baby
April 29, 2008 - 19:14 ET by PopularTechSarc, I found a scientific study for hemp baby.
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Hemp makes a fine rope.
April 29, 2008 - 16:09 ET by Tim the EnchanterHemp makes a fine rope.
Hemp Propaganda
April 29, 2008 - 18:20 ET by PopularTechSarc, there is only one reason you bring up Hemp and it is not for it's "other uses". No one talks about Hemp except Pot Heads who want to make it legal to smoke. I don't hate Pot Heads, I think they are idiots - big difference.
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That's crap.
April 29, 2008 - 18:23 ET by sarcasmoAnd you're full of it.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Answer this question then
April 29, 2008 - 18:32 ET by PopularTechDo you or have you ever smoked or taken Cannabis in any form?
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No.
April 29, 2008 - 18:35 ET by sarcasmoIrrelevant. When I've answered the very same ad hominem, off topic, idiotic attack in the past it has NEVER resulted in anything like intelligent debate from drug war worshipping, illogical, brain dead "conservatives." I'll do what I want and just call you full of crap, instead. That works better.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Yes of Course
April 29, 2008 - 18:39 ET by PopularTechYour love of Hemp comes from your libertarian idiology and clearly the reason you brought it into a debate about Ethanol. I fail to see the scientific study that you provided to show Hemp as being cost effective to gasoline.
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I fail to see you admitting you're full of crap, despite
April 29, 2008 - 18:43 ET by sarcasmoThe fact that you are, or you would not have needed to ask the ad hominem question. Don't worry, I admitted it for you. :)
A scientific study would be a nice thing. Why don't YOU go perform it in the land of the free? Oh, yeah...Anyway, the ultimate study is NOT scientific, it's capitalistic, if only it were allowed by the drugwar worshippers like you...
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Amazing Logic
April 29, 2008 - 18:49 ET by PopularTechYou interject Hemp into a discussion about Ethanol yet have absolutely NO scientific backing for it's use as a fuel and then question why I ask a Hemp promoter if he smokes it? I'm sorry present your scientific argument and supporting scientific studies for the use of the miracle fuel that is Hemp so we can continue.
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See above.
April 29, 2008 - 18:59 ET by sarcasmoThis isn't Thomas Jefferson's time, the science you request is what's called "illegal." You just disliked me admitting that you're full of crap for you. I considered it a public service! :)
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Good Argument for Hemp as a Fuel
April 29, 2008 - 19:07 ET by PopularTechYes I am so full of crap, your scientific argument is overwhelming. "it's illegal" = Hemp is a miracle fuel.
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I checked up on the sugar
April 29, 2008 - 12:59 ET by dscottI checked up on the sugar beat to ethanol idea, it's a no go: http://domesticfuel.com/2006/07/10/sugar-not-so-sweet-for-ethanol/
Producing ethanol from sugar cane or sugar beets in the U.S. would cost about 2 1/2 times more than it costs to produce it from corn. That is according to a long-awaited USDA study on the economics of producing ethanol from sugar authored by the agriculture department’s top economist Keith Collins. The detailed report compares production scenerios for sugar cane, beets, raw sugar and molasses adding the net cost of the feedstock to the processing cost to derive a total cost per gallon.
The bottom line, according to the report, is this:
Corn ……………. 1.05/gallon ethanol
Cane ……………. 2.40/gallon ethanol
Beets …………… 2.35/gallon ethanol
Raw sugar ……… 3.48/gallon ethanol
Processed sugar.. 3.97/gallon ethanol
Molasses ……….. 1.27/gallon ethanol
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
WHY DRILL FOR FUEL WHEN YOU CAN GROW IT?
April 29, 2008 - 14:11 ET by JDWNothing will replace oil.
Ethanol has both increased carbon dioxide emissions and driven up food prices, increasing our dependence on foreign oil. We burned about 25% of our national corn supply leading to only a 1% reduction in the country’s oil consumption.
What would oil independence mean?
How much different would things be if Clinton had permitted ANWAR 14yrs ago?
JDW
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JDW... ...and you can be
April 29, 2008 - 20:39 ET by bigtimerJDW...
...and you can be sure Hillary was in on every decision he made whether to veto a bill or not...
Yet she can pretend when need be if she had nothing to do with it or pretend she knew nothing about it...(NAFTA comes to mind)
Hypocrites all...
Agenda is everything here...at the expense of all of us.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Banana peelings
April 30, 2008 - 20:54 ET by Jerry MackIt is time to forget corn, hemp, saw grass and banana peelings as a replacement for oil. Lets drill some oil wells and keep the economy from going under until a viable replacement is found.
You make way too much sense,
April 30, 2008 - 21:01 ET by dscottYou make way too much sense, therefore we're going to ignore you since you're predictable. Predictable is boring and no one is interested in listening to boring people. <sarcasm>
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
Finally
April 29, 2008 - 14:47 ET by goldboughFinally someone in Congress speaks up about this idiocy. I can't believe Bush signed that ridiculous energy bill either.
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