Glenn Beck Exposes Ethanol's Connection to Rising Food Prices

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As food prices soar, and rationing of such things as rice begin, America's media are finally starting to wake up to the inconvenient truth that ethanol is not the energy panacea folks like Nobel Laureate Al Gore proclaim.

Leading the charge is conservative talk radio host Glenn Beck, who invited the Competitive Enterprise Institute's Iain Murray on his program Tuesday to discuss the looming crisis.

What follows is a partial transcript of this interview provided by the Science and Public Policy Institute:

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GLENN BECK, HOST: Iain Murray is a senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute. He has a new book out called The Really Inconvenient Truths: Seven Environmental Catastrophes Liberals Don't Want You to Know About -- Because They Helped Cause Them. What a surprise. Iain is on the phone with us now. Hi, Iain, how are you?

IAIN MURRAY, COMPETITIVE ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE: Hi, Glenn, I'm doing very well, thanks.

BECK: Congratulations on the book and we wish you the best with it. Stu is a big fan of yours. I'm sorry. He is our global warming expert on the show and he's a big fan of yours and says that you nail it every single time. Let me start with the food prices that people are experiencing right now where we have milk and bread going up between 11 and 25% in the last year, global food prices up 83%. How's this tied to ethanol?

MURRAY: Well, because as you said, burning off food as fuel. In a recent study from the World Bank of all places that showed that every extra grain of corn that has been harvested in this country, planted and harvested in this country, the additional grain since 2005 has gone not to feed people but into our gas tanks. The World Bank also said that 50% of the fuel price -- of the food price riots around the world has been due to biofuels policies. Those are staggering numbers. This is having a real effect on food, especially for the poorest of the world.

BECK: When we first started talking about ethanol and I did my homework on ethanol and I realized this is the biggest scam in the world and I talked about biofuels. You cannot burn your fuel supply -- or your food supply for fuel. This is a global catastrophe. I've talked about how, how are we going to starve and keep in the dark the places in Africa and the emerging world because we're telling them they can't have our lifestyle, how, Iain, does this kind of thinking not create, well, what the UN is now calling, what is it, crimes against humanity?

MURRAY: Yes, that's the UN high commission on refugees. He's saying that the biofuels laws around the world not just in America but in Europe as well are a crime against humanity and it's interesting how a few -- about a year ago the high commission on refugees and others was saying, oh, well, global warming is causing a real problem. Now they suddenly realize as we're taking steps to try and deal with global warming that that's creating a far, far greater calamity, one that's here right now. Haitians are being reduced to eating cakes made with bleach and if you remember what happened in Haiti in the early Nineties, we're looking as if we're going to do that all over again and there's going to be a failed state right on our doorstep and we are partly responsible for it this time.

GLENN: We have riots now, food riots in Mexico, at least that's what I heard yesterday. I haven't seen the story myself. Is that true? Can you verify that?

MURRAY: There have been food protests certainly. I don't think they were quite riots in Mexico because as the price of grain causes increase here, the Mexicans have been exporting more grain. So that means fewer tortillas and tortillas are an essential part of the Mexican diet. At the same time they are clearing the agave fields to grow corn. So that means less tequila. So less tequila, less tortillas. This is a big problem. So for a country where those items are so culturally important.

Spot on, Iain. Those interested in more on this subject should read Murray's book.

Furthermore, our friends at the Heritage Foundation are also on top of this looming crisis. A few weeks ago, Ben Lieberman wrote the following:

America's energy policy has been on an ethanol binge, and now the hangover has begun. The federal renewable fuels mandate is an unfolding failure, and more Members of Congress are taking notice. If repeal of the mandate is not yet possible, Congress should at least freeze ethanol use at current levels while the nation reassesses its renewable fuels policy.

Do yourself a favor: read the whole thing.

Moving forward, as energy and food prices continue to skyrocket, there's no question that this will be a tremendous focus for the press in the weeks and months to come, especially during a presidential election year.

Of late, media have indeed been presenting ethanol as part of the problem. Are they giving this enough attention yet? Probably not, but they're coming around.

With this in mind, considering what a hot potato this issue is, it is going to be fascinating to watch how this food crisis is reported as we get closer to Election Day, and whether or not the press will honestly present all sides of this matter, or, more predictably, figure out a way to blame the entire problem on President Bush and the Republicans.

Stay tuned.

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.


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Well if they indeed blame

Well if they indeed blame Bush or Republicans they are lying. After all I think you showed us yesterday this is all St. Al Gore's falut.

 

"They need to have a course in college called common sense and everyone should take it. Problem is there isn't too many people that could pass or teach it." -my grandfather

if you listened to the left, you'd discover...

there are plenty from the left who KNOW burning the nutrients in soil is a stupid idea. 

and if blame is the game, then blame:

- whoever doesn't impose taxation on gas gobbling vehicles

- whoever doesn't give incentives to companies that research smaller, more fuel efficient vehicles

- whoever doesn't fund mass transit projects

if your idea of 'left' are the democrats, i completely agree they are to blame... WITH the present Bush administration, which has failed again and again to deal with this issue.

Funding of mass transit

Funding of mass transit projects like the one in Charlotte NC?

Their new light rail project cost over $200 Million Dollars and nobody uses it. But it sure looks pretty! 

"Abstain from McCain"

Or Jesse Ventura'a crown

Or Jesse Ventura'a crown jewel that runs from downtown Minneapolis to the Mall of America.

LITTLE TOY TRAINS...

motherbelt,

We have had big fights up here in Minnesota about transportation funding, we would have the money we need for roads, highways, & bridges if we did'nt divert so much of our money for the Lite Rail that Jesse & the tax & spend DFLers love so much.

I will back up the tax & spend part by mentioning that in Febuary, the DFL(demacratic farmer labor) controled state congress overode Gov.Pawlenty's veto of a massive tax hike for transportation, which we would'nt need if our transportion money was being spent on the proper projects, like roads, highways, & bridges...at least the one's that did'nt fall down.

BTW, I would put Jesse Ventura's face on every last car to remind everyone who pushed for the crappy system in the 1st place. I would use photos of him as the Gov, as Jesse 'The Body" Ventura...with the pink feather boa, from the movie's "Predator", & as "Captain Freedom" in the movie, "The Runnng Man". You could have alot of fun with this idea. We should remind the folks who was behind this turd we Minnesota taxpayers have had shoved down our throats.

 

"Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise"  Mark Levin

The "issue"

The "issue" has not been dealt with since WWII, where oil played such a large part in the outcome. The modern world depends upon oil. The "liberals" simply won't deal with this as a fact of life. All the commercials on t.v., with the "common man" tauting "alternative" sources of energy should make you cringe. There are presently no viable alternatives and there will not be for years to come. It's a "liberal" canard. Forget the future; the ideologues are killing us now. Drilling is the answer. Find more OIL! To NOT drill for and refine OIL is the biggest risk to our survival as a nation. DUH!

P.S. I remember the 70's movie, "Three Days of the Condor". At the end of the movie, the "bad" guys in the govenment warned about food and oil shortages in the future. Robert Redford then went to the NYT to tell the "true " story about bad America. It's freightening that the government guy was so right over four decades ago.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

whoever doesn't give

whoever doesn't give incentives to companies that research smaller, more fuel efficient vehicles

The same libereals who espouse that will also be front row center howling about the increase in highway deaths, which will result from smaller, lighter vehicles.

That can only be done with sweeping government regulation and the outlawing of larger vehicles. Because the death toll results from small cars colliding with larger heavier ones. Liberal solution? Make them ALL smaller and lighter, so they're equal!

Blame, let's see, all those

Blame, let's see, all those rich liberal hollywood celebs and people like Al Gore drive those gas gobbling vehicles, all of whom curiously buy carbon credits to absolve themselves of their largess.  Adding a tax to the price of high end vehicles, which most of the bad gas mileage is attributed to, means nothing to the people who buy them since they are the wealthy.  A wealthy person could care less if gas was $10/gallon, they will still strut around making a fashion statement, after all to them what's the point of wealth if you can't flaunt it?

Mass transit has only saved energy in two places in the US, NYC and I believe Chicago.  All other metro areas that use them actually use more fuel to transport people than if they took a car.  The reason is utilization rates vary from hour to hour during the day.  Running a huge operation with empty buses and trains during off hours more than gobbles up any savings that might be achieved during rush hours.  Mass transit is not a solution, it is part of the problem!  You would gain more efficiency in a carpool with just two people for no investment dollars than any mass transit system.

If you want to save the planet, go ahead and practice what you preach by carpooling, walking, bike riding or moving closer to work or finding a job closer to home. You can do this right now, you don't need the government.  But don't get sanctimonious on us by demanding taxpayers waste billions of dollars on a feel good non solution.

 Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008  Long Live the Empire!  Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.

let's seek the worst case scenarios to use as examples

by the rationale i have read...

- we should all drive tanks because no one will get hurt in accidents.

- if public transit doesn't turn a profit, it has no merit, so therefore should be junked.

- no one has ever been to major cities such as chicago or NY city to witness how effective it is to use mass transit.

- gas taxes and taxation on oversized vehicles are of no merit.

i agree: whether left or right, piggy vehicles should be hit hard. i don't care who drives them.

and as a canadian who has happily paid at the pump and lives in a country that has been running a budget surplus for many, many years, the US could use to collect a little luxury tax (i've seen america's finances)... which is what anyone who drives an oversized vehicle should pay.

Keep it north of 49, Socialist

 whether left or right, piggy vehicles should be hit hard. i don't care who drives them.  And who determines what a "piggy" vehicle is?  YOU?  A bunch of Socialists?  Of course you don't care who drives them.  You are just out to steal more money.

and as a canadian who has happily paid at the pump and lives in a country that has been running a budget surplus for many, many years GREAT!  Maybe Canada can use the budget surplus to actually stop living parasitically off the NATO alliance?  Your country can't do basic stratlift!  WE have to move them FOR you!

Oh, and props to Canada for being dragged kicking and screaming into pitching in with the Afghanistan campaign, but even then, you STILL can't do that without the country you so disparage.

With all that budget surplus, your country is still a whiny Nanny State no one in the world cares about.  And your country is Going Nowhere as a result., the US could use to collect a little luxury tax (i've seen america's finances) I suggest you worry about your OWN country before coming south to wave your finger in our faces. Let me remind you that Ottawa cannot function without the U.S., in any way.  If anything goes wrong in your country, we are the first people you will go crying to.  Even your health care system is NOTHING to brag about, with Canadians constantly heading south to take advantage of U.S. medicine, and the provinces CONSTANTLY CRYING to Ottawa for more and more handouts to coddle their respective populations with... which is what anyone who drives an oversized vehicle should pay. Again, beautifulthief, who determines what "oversized" is?  YOU?  A bunch of Socialists?  Or is that just your Socialist excuse to steal some more money?

Shut up, take your ball north of the border, vote NDP and be happy in your little Going Nowhere Nanny State.

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Unsane, speaking of Mass

Unsane, speaking of Mass Transit,

the Toronto TTC workers just went on a surprise strike last night. This could result in chaos Monday morning...and I may have to drive the kids 'downtown' to work. And I can barely walk! At least I can walk a bit with a cane...thanks to the socialist health care system you respect so much..for a while it looked like I might never walk again..but they really did the job :)

mandrake

Unsane will not change his position on Universal Health care. In fact it is something I don' even want to debate anymore I get so many flames

Anyways I'm glad you are doing okay. Do the socialist docs think you make a full recovery?

Shawn, thanks for asking.

Shawn, thanks for asking. Only time will tell if I make 'full' recovery. I'm not a spring chicken anymore if you know what I mean.

However, I do thank the Canadian health care system for the attention I got. I have the feeling that in the USA I would be currently broke or/and unable to get insurance.

Kleptocracy

Actually, you would have been treated a lot faster, and you wouldn't even have to have stolen from your fellow citizens to get that service. Canadians must enjoy living in a kleptocracy.   Too bad they are poorer than Americans by an average of C$8100, and have completely given up on the idea of pushing the frontiers of medical science in their bid to coddle and baby their population.

I guess Going Nowhere is great if it doesn't bother you.

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

since the TTC can strike, we should get rid of public transit?

what kind of arguement is that?

drive downtown and enjoy the ride. and then tell me how lame the TTC is. oh and buy cars for each of your kids so they can add to the traffic.

btw. the health care system TOTALLY works. i'm healthy, my kids are healthy. my wife is healthy. your kids are healthy. maybe it isn't the system. the world's greatest health care is just south of the border. don't tell me you risked your health for a coupla bucks?

abp, don't get sick...

...'cause your healthcare system sucks.

Theme for Election '08: Who cares?

Here we go again

If your health care system is SO PERFECT, please explain why it was the lead issue of the June 2004 and January 2006 elections, and why the Romanow Report was commissioned, and why Canadians constantly stream south of the border to PAY out of their own pockets for doctors, etc.

I suppose next you will all be demanding Ottawa pay for your groceries. 

(Driving around Toronto isn't that terrifying. I've done it on a visit.  New York, on the other hand...) 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

so your advice is: SHUT UP and GO AWAY...

is this the kind of intelligent discourse i can expect from people prepared to bust media bias?

how sad that you need to change the subject to NATO. newsflash: when one doesn't make enemies, one doesn't have enemies, one doesn't need to spend more money on military than educating youth.

i thought there were americans who think the world revolves around them, thanks for making it clear. i guess we can thank america for having a budget surplus for well over a decade, while funding health care, better public schools, a much lower crime rate in an officially bilingual country... cuz you are protecting us. whew. what would i do without the love of you?

  

abp, Canada can afford to be a socialist country.

As, unlike the US, which you appear to be gleefully urinating upon with your profoundly ignorant comments, Canada isn't responsible for defending what is left of the free world.

You Canadians had better hope this country stears away from socialism. If it doesn't and becomes weaker, you up in the Great White North are going to be left to fend for yourselves. That will require a comensurate shift in the spending priorities of the Canadian government.

Somehow I doubt you will like the result of said shift very much.

Theme for Election '08: Who cares?

delete

I can't believe I said that..what was I thinking?

>chuckle< your honesty is greatly appreciated.

america has the greatest health care system... if you can afford it. and if you can't, you can live in the dumpster of the best hospital in the country. it doesn't get you any closer than a haitian to getting inside its doors and being looked after. 

there are simply too many examples of people being dodged by insurance companies and poor (middle class) folks who go without, to convince anyone besides the world's elite, that america's health care serves america. 

we had a recent burn victim here in my caribbean country i live in, who suffered 3rd degree burns over 90% of her body. close to death, an appeal was made to one of the top US hospitals to take them. that hospital wanted $1 million up front before they would allow them in the door. how many americans would also have not gotten into that hospital? what percentage of the american population has that kind of money? 

We Americans should take

We Americans should take care of our own first.

Sorry about the burn victim, but there are more than one hospital in this great country to treat burns and if you had called each and every one of them you would have found one that would have taken him without the $$$ upfront. 

"Abstain from McCain"

abeautifulsocialist

 

america has the greatest health care system... if you can afford it. and if you can't, you can live in the dumpster of the best hospital in the country. it doesn't get you any closer than a haitian to getting inside its doors and being looked after.   The extreme ignorance you have of my country is now on parade.  If anything goes wrong with me in San Antonio, all I need to do is go to a hospital.  ANY hospital.  Because ALL are required by law to at minimum stabilize me.  Rich or poor. 

there are simply too many examples of people being dodged by insurance companies and poor (middle class) folks who go without, to convince anyone besides the world's elite, that america's health care serves america.  Just as there are countless examples of Socialist medicine's failure.  In Britain, many people have private health insurance because the NHS is so horrible.  I seem to recall that the High Court of Quebec deemed the health care system in that province as so bad that it led to the deaths of patients at some point last year.  In the Netherlands. 40% of people carry private health insurance in spite of their Nanny State.

Besides, because you believe that the sick have the unalienable right to steal from me because I take care of myself, make the right decisions and otherwise remain healthy, where does it end?  Do you believe in universal groceries?  After all, we don't need doctors every day, but we DO need to eat every day.

Besides, health care, just like groceries, and housing, and utilities, and so on, are not birthrights as you think they are.  If people WANT to fail, they should be permitted to fall flat on their face and FAIL.  In the United States, you are poor because YOU WANT TO BE POOR and consistently make very poor decisions.

 

we had a recent burn victim here in my caribbean country i live in, who suffered 3rd degree burns over 90% of her body. close to death, an appeal was made to one of the top US hospitals to take them. that hospital wanted $1 million up front before they would allow them in the door. how many americans would also have not gotten into that hospital? what percentage of the american population has that kind of money?  The experiences of Son Pham at a Toronto Children's Hospital proves otherwise.  They refused to treat him, so he went south instead to a Boston doctor who I believe even treated him for free. 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

 how sad that you need to

 how sad that you need to change the subject to NATO. newsflash: when one doesn't make enemies, one doesn't have enemies When one doesn't make enemies?  That only PROVES to me that Canada is worthless on the world scene and is Going Absolutely Nowhere.  Having your Foreign Minister get on TV and WHINE about where he wants the world to be like accomplishes NOTHING. The United States, on the other hand, because we actually project power (which protects you ingrates), shapes the world.  We in the United States are the more dynamic and vibrant country, and thus will be remembered in the annals of world history for millenia to come, while Canada will be a footnote., one doesn't need to spend more money on military than educating youth We can plunge the ENTIRE GDP of the United States on our children and they will come out no smarter...but some bureaucrats will be well-fed.  Is this the kind of intelligent discourse I can expect from a flaming Leftist (and presumed NDP member) Canadian ingrate? 

I'd rather the money go to a military that keeps you warm and comfy in your bed at night and allows you to greedily suck the tits of the Canadian Nanny. 

i thought there were americans who think the world revolves around them, thanks for making it clear  Think?  I KNOW the world revolves around the United States.  Thanks!  i guess we can thank america for having a budget surplus for well over a decade, while funding health care very very poorly.  How come I constantly hear about hospitals closing?  Doctors and nurses going on strike?  The provinces CONSTANTLY WHINING to Ottawa for MORE MONEY?  The Romanow Report?  How come ONE HOSPITAL in Houston has a larger research budget than your entire country?  , better public schools Well, you see, that's because our public schools have embraced the Nanny State Socialist concept that you so desperately want our country to embrace.  If we turned our schools to the mercy of the markets, we could improve them.  Besides, your public schools aren't that much better.  Hell, you Canadians are so ashamed of your country's history that it isn't even a required subject in high school in all but 4 provinces the last time I checked, a much lower crime rate Canada's population, lest you forget, can fit into CA.  The United States has 300 million people.  Next!  in an officially bilingual country You may not want to bring up Quebec.  You will only succeed in embarrassing yourself.  Let's not forget the FLQ or the Meech Lake Accords.  Let us also not forget that there is a constant push to separate from Canada there.  Let us also not forget that until the 1970s, Montreal was the financial center of Canada until separatism took its toll... 

I am proud to live in a nation with 1) arable farmland, 2) nuclear weapons, and 3) sun that shines more than three days out of the year! 

what would i do without the love of you?  Your economy would be in the toilet.  Before WWII, Canada made its money off of exports to Britain.  After that, it made, and still makes, its money off of exports to the United States.  If we were to ever cut off trade with your pathetic Nanny State, it's be over!  That's why your country hasn't legalized pot; the DEA saw to that.  one little threat from them sent your whole industry SCURRYING. 

Head on south of the border, kiss my ass, and thank me for defending your ingrateful, whiny ass. 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

looking for information...

 Adding a tax to the price of high end vehicles, which most of the bad gas mileage is attributed to, means nothing to the people who buy them since they are the wealthy.

- so let's do it. just because it doesn't hurt someone who drives a large SUV doesn't mean it shouldn't happen.

 

 Mass transit has only saved energy in two places in the US, NYC and I believe Chicago.

- please cite sources. this sounds like a bill o'reilly fact.

 

 Mass transit is not a solution, it is part of the problem!

- have you ever sat in traffic for more than 30 minutes? next to 1 (or even 2) people in the next car? newsflash: with more people & dwindling oil, well managed mass transit will only expand.

 

 its pretty funny to think people actually want to lay the blame for the oil crisis and the pollution issues which arise from its use at the feet of liberals. everyone is responsible but i highly doubt its the 'lefties' sitting in the boardroom of EXXON, BP or TOTAL.

Bill O'reilly Fact, nice

Bill O'reilly Fact, nice quip

sources on mass transportation:

http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx?b358be91-12e8-49d4-87da-5eb763f5e364

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/paul-detrick/2007/11/06/trains-yes-planes-automobiles-no-says-parade-magazine  Discussion thread here at NB referencing above facts and figures

I have to correct my faulty memory:  Chicago is not one of those transit systems that are cost effective, the ones that are:

Boston Heavy rail 153%

Philadephia SEPTA Heavy rail 115%

Washington Metrorail 125%

CA - BART 105%

NY - PATH Heavy rail 216%, NYC Subway 351%

So I stand corrected, there aren't 2 but 6 systems in the entire country that actually are cost effective.  You so have a half a point, a light rail system might be cost effective if "properly designed and run", so far the record of 6 out of 48 systems (12.5%) is pretty unconvincing given that only 3 are light rail.

So basically what we see here is that mass transit is an expensive public make works jobs program to increase the city employee rolls.  This is the same mentality as with the public schools, and what we get is poor results for the billions of dollars we are forced to put into it.  The bottom line is "efficient government" is still an oxymoron 87.5% of the time.  Given these type of odds of failure why bother?

Very interesting link referencing articles talking about Mass Transit: http://www.ti.org/vaupdates.html If you are enamoured with big government projects spending lots of money to accomplish the same thing as the individual for way less money, then don't read it.

 Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008  Long Live the Empire!  Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.

thanks for the facts

... and for your honesty.

the percent of efficient public transit systems is higher in canada. vancouver, toronto, GO (across ontario) montreal are all very popular and highly effective. is it a lack of efficiency in the US? i suspect it has much to do with the suburban sprawl which is now showing to be indefensible urban (mis)planning. that will HAVE to change since it is unsustainable.

something not considered his how low-income folk get to their minimum wage paying jobs. without public transit many of those folks wouldn't be going far. 

and don't forget the intangibles such as the cost on health, lost work due to traffic and injuries/death from traffic incidents and health effects on people due to pollution.

its a mindset: to collectively see public transit as a solution and it becomes one. but i guess its one of the differences between the 49th parallel.

visit toronto and then tell me public transit isn't working. then hop on the GO TRANSIT which moves millions and suggest it isn't the way to go.

then take a trip to europe, ride the train system and tell me it doesn't work. japan, no? 

i suggest that america (and lots of canada) can't let go of the automobile. its a right to drive. well... its also a right to pay $90. to fill up the tank every 5 days and choke on it.

 

Sustainability is a Myth based on Socialist Propaganda

'Sustainable development' is just dangerous nonsense (Philip Stott, Professor Emeritus of Biogeography, University of London)
Sovietizing America: How Sustainable Development Crushes the Individual (The Objectivist Center)
Sustainable Development A Dubious Solution in Search of a Problem (PDF) (The Cato Institute)
Sustainable silliness (The Heartland Institute)

Spoken like a true socialist no wonder they are in such glee and desperate to pass global warming regulation since it will destroy the economy of the free world and wreck capitalism.

Socialist central planners think that just a couple of smart guys planning everything would be a utopia and not the reality which is the failed Soviet Union and Cuba.

The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource

"then take a trip to

"then take a trip to europe, ride the train system and tell me it doesn't work. japan, no?"

These are two things I am certain you did not do.

The crux of your comparison lies in your implicit assumption that the rail systems in Europe and Japan would be effective here in the US.   This point you have failed to prove and cannot be conceded.

The rail systems in Euope and Japan are fully electrified.  This is simply not economically feasible here in the US due to the much greater distances involved.  There is only one region of the US in which electrification is financially feasible, the Northeast corridor where population densities are sufficient to sustain this capuital intensive effort.

Large wild animals are not an issue in Europe and Japan.  All the native fauna of any consequence in these places have been exterminated.   High speed trains do not hit Bison, Elk, Moose or other large animals standing on rail lines because there are none.  If you think this is not an issue, consider what would happen if a  Nozomi Shinkansen operating on the Tokaido Road hit a 2,000 # Bison at speed.  A terrorist could hardly do more damage with a bomb.

Similarly, grade crossings are much less numerous in both Japan and Europe.  The cost to isolate high speed rail from other venues is enormous here.

Secondary transport is readily available to distribute passengers and their baggage to and from train stations in Europe and Japan.  This has as much to do with the population density as anything.  Here in the US, this function is most commonly fulfilled by private automobile instead of a public transport.

Cities are much further apart here hat Europe and Japan.  In perspective, Minneapolis, Minnesota is about as far from Washington DC as London is from Moscow.  Even the fastest high speed rail cannot compare to the speed, safety an convenience of air travel.  People do not want to pay for rail service between Chicago and New York, which is why the Government must subsidize Amtrak to keep it afloat.  People will pay enough for air tickets between those two cities to maintain flight schedules.

High speed rail is not economical in the bulk of the US.  If it were, private money would have implemented it long ago.  Instead, the appearance of air travel drove private rail out of business and into the hands of the Government.  Government meddling in this venue has been and will be no more successful than government meddling in biofuels. 

what me travel?

ummm, with exception to japan, i have enjoyed mass transit in paris, madrid, barcelona, london, and rail between countries in europe. as well the canada and a dozen other countries. 

your points have merit, but it baffles me that a country can initiate regime change and STAR wars and yet, can't get a train (or related to other threads: education) to work.

a country where multiple secret services that don't disclose their budgets wank about the cost of public transit.

sure flight is great for long distances, but la guardia to boston? buffalo to chicago?

seems like if folks put their mind against it, it definitely won't work. the US govt does subsidize Amtrak. but it should also tax fuel in tandem to pay for Amtrak. unfortunately that would inconvenience too many business folk who don't make money off the trains and do make money from people at the pumps. 

More Socialist Propaganda - Public Transportation and Gas Taxes

Why am I not surprised socialists want to raise gas taxes to pay for failed public transportation systems? Sure some "work" but those would still work in a free market because the demand would exist for them only they would be cost effective.

5 Myths About Suburbia and Our Car-Happy Culture (Reason Magazine)
Dispelling Transit Myths (Cato Institute)
Infrastructure Gridlock (Cato Institute)
Let the Market Free Up Transportation in U.S. (Cato Institute)
Light Rail Doesn't Work (Cato Institute)
When Government Plans, It Usually Fails (Cato Institute)

Papers:
A Desire Named Streetcar: How Federal Subsidies Encourage Wasteful Local Transit Systems (Cato Institute)
Does Rail Transit Save Energy or Reduce Greenhouse Gas Emissions? (Cato Institute)
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Education does not work because it is another socialist system!

We already pay plenty of gas taxes:

- The average amount of tax on gasoline in the United States is 47.0 cents per gallon (API)
- The average amount of tax on diesel in the United States is 53.6 cents per gallon (API)

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Have you ever traveled from

Have you ever traveled from Buffalo to Chicago by train?  I doubt it, or you'd understand why air is preferrable.  I will go you one better.  I have ridden the Shinkansens in addition to the European systems.

All of these passenger rail systems you are touting are unprofitable and are government subsidized.  The burden of supporting these riders is imposed by force upon all the taxpayers without regard to whether any of them benefit from these services.  This is not justice.

Conservatives do not object to the Government funding secret intelligence organizations.  The cost of these organizations is small, especially in comparison with the cost of constructing a national high speed rail network, the benefits of these organizatoins are shared by all, and the operation of such falls within the constituted limits of the national government.   Subsidized high speed rail or any other transportation systems fall outside the constituted powers of the Congress.  Conservatives object to Congress usrping powers which were not delegated to it by the Constitution.  These are the seeds of tyranny.

I have difficulty understanding liberal twits who think that a Congress which exceeds its constituted authority to build a high speed rail system would not also exceed its constituted authority in other areas such as meddling with energy production, tampering with agricultural markets, etc.  This idiot biofuels program is just one case in point where a meddling Congrtress has wrought havoc by perverting a market. Millions of people in this world will starve this year and into the future because the idiot Democratic Congress in 1994 voted to mandate ethanol in fuel.

 

ABP,

So, you want the good citizens of Texas to pay for transit in the Northeast? Don't think so. If these train lines were such a good idea, private lines would already be operating there without subsidies, and at a profit.

What a great little socialist you are.

actually, i am a capitalist. a great little capitalist.

texas exported the dunce: BUSH, so texas owes the entire planet and then some. 

if all it is about is profit, then by your rationale america really should get out of the business of everything... 'cept military of course. lotsa profit there. 

government isn't about turning a profit. its about managing things for the collective. its unfortunate america has sunk so much of its R&D into defense and drugs. too bad its all about the almighty $ for some.

its simply amazing that people are willing to stand on the throats of those who don't have it as good, to avoid getting their shoes wet.

Abp

If your are advocating raising gas taxes on everyone so you can enjoy a train ride now and again, then you are no capitalist.

"if all it is about is profit, then by your rationale america really
should get out of the business of everything... 'cept military of
course. lotsa profit there."- now there is something I can agree with. Down with SCHIP, federal bureacracies, and high taxes to pay for train rides in the Northeast.

 

abs

 

texas exported the dunce: BUSH, so texas owes the entire planet and then some.  Actually, we have given the world the means to extract and refine oil, explore space, and countless medical advances.  If anything, YOU owe US.  Big time.  And if you wish to come down to TX to make us Texans pay, by all means, go right ahead.  The words COME AND TAKE IT come to mind.

government isn't about turning a profit. its about managing things for the collective.  What a great theory for ants and bees!  Not so for humanity.  Perhaps you were born into the wrong species?

government isn't about turning a profit  You are right, it IS about POWER and OPPRESSION. its about managing things for the collective again, go to your little ant colony. its unfortunate america has sunk so much of its R&D into defense and drugs  Why?  Without the Manhattan Project, you wouldn't have the PC upon which you relentlessly whine.  Without many defense projects, quite a few of the innovations you use everyday would not be possible.  And who else is going to invest in new life-saving cures for various diseases?  Canada, whose research budget is bested by SINGLE HOSPITALS in the United States?. too bad its all about the almighty $ for some  Money makes the world go 'round.  The fact you want to avoid that reality tells me you are too embarrassed and ashamed to admit that at best you are a Nanny State Socialist, and a Communist at worst.

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

re: education

so let me get this straight. you think the US spends too much money on education? its just a make-work project?

...and since government isn't efficient, why bother?

that's what you are saying? yikes! 

abp, this country spends far more per student than any other.

Yet we are turning out high-school graduates that cannot read the diplomas they are handed.

Government education has failed miserably. Then again, it was intended to fail.

I mean, what better way to turn people into wards of the state who are wholly dependant on government for even having their own hineys wiped than to make it impossible for them to make it on their own by dumbing them down to being borderline illiterates?

Thank God I only had to attend government school for about three years, else I too would be starting each sentence with a lower-case letter, as do you.

Theme for Election '08: Who cares?

hate to break it to you

public education works in other countries.

 too bad its such a mess in america. i totally agree with you. public education in the US appears to be a disaster. why not (wait for it) look beyond the borders and see how its done elsewhere. someone might learn something.

Public Education Works in Belgium! Want to know why?

You know why it works? It is based on a free market system.

20/20: Stupid in America (Video) (41min)

John Stossel's 'Stupid in America' (ABC News)

"American schools don't teach as well as schools in other countries because they are government monopolies, and monopolies don't have much incentive to compete. In Belgium, by contrast, the money is attached to the kids - it's a kind of voucher system. Government funds education - at many different kinds of schools - but if a school can't attract students, it goes out of business."

This would solve the U.S. school problem immediately.

The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource

abp,

First of all, I am a libertarian. As far as I am concerned, it is nothing short of criminal when government points a gun to my head, and forces me to give up part of what I earn, against my will, so that it can be used by politicians to buy the votes of those too lazy (or to stupid) to make it in this world on their own.

This includes, but is not limited to, forcing me to fund government schools, which have become nothing more than government indoctrination centers over the last forty years. This was no accident. It was, and is, deliberate.

If you doubt this, just look at where 50+ years of government education has brought this country. This country once valued self-reliance, along with the rights of the individual. No more. In the last two elections, approximately half of the members of the dumbMasses cast their votes for blatantly socialist candidates, as freedom has now become secondary to "security" to many.

Why is this happening? Because of mediocre government schools.

The reason US government schools are so horrible is due solely to the existence of the hideous teacher's unions. The members of these unions are among the less intelligent of any group of any degreed professionals in this country.

These people are not interested in turning out students who can think for themselves, as these kids tend grow into adults that don't need government to be their nanny. Government wants people to be dependent on government, else how is government going to grow?

The larger the government grows, the more powerful it becomes. Soon, it becomes its own entity, which is to say bloated and unresponsive, and answers to no one, much like our government has become. At this point, government becomes dangerous to the rights of individuals.

As I see it, the teacher's unions are far more of a long-term threat to this future of this country than an entire plane-load of Osama's.

What the American people are looking for is somebody who can solve their problems. - Barack Obama, April 27, 2008

exactly my point.

public education CAN work. the fact that you indicate the US spends more per student than OTHER COUNTRIES is proof that it can be done. throwing money at the problem is not the solution. neither is pulling all money.

you don't worry about my education. i'm doing just fine. and its not because i need to thank god, either.

gotta say, i'm impressed with the level of venom in these threads. it really helps me to understand why its so easy for an entire country to collectively switch the channel to DEAL OR NO DEAL from the atrocities they are paying for around the globe.

 

Are you the new Iraqi Propagada Minister?

Please provide evidence to all of our "atrocities". I had no idea that this sort of propaganda was so common with the socialist "educated". Is this a result of your superior schooling?

The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource

Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum

 atrocities they are paying for around the globe.  Yeah, like liberating close to 1 billion people in the past century alone.  If that is an "atrocity", I can live with it.  Besides, liberation cannot be done without massive, extreme levels of violence.  Violence ALWAYS works. 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Hell Yes we spend too much on Education

Let me give you a simple example, In NJ our Public School System is funded to the tune of $15,000 per student all from tax money. Yet the public schools are so bad (we just had a shooting in one last week) that parents that can afford it send their kids to Private High Schools for only $4000-5000 and they get a better education. Now how is that Catholic schools can educate a student for only $4000 in a state where they spend over $15,000? Watch this you may learn something:

20/20: Stupid in America (Video) (41min)

John Stossel's 'Stupid in America' (ABC News)

The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource

Actually, yes, we spend too

Actually, yes, we spend too much on education, most state and local governments in the US spend up to 50% of their budgets on education.  The reason why most conservatives want to them to spend less is the liberals in this country have taken the position that throwing more money at the deteriorating level of educational standards is the answer to the problem.  Throwing money isn't the solution in fact it has become the problem and the contrast is to look at private schools, they do a much better job for less money and the reason why is in a nutshell is they #1 don't use PC methods, demanded by #2 the Teacher's Unions.  Throwing more money only attempts to cover up the problems and that doesn't work.

The fact that the Teacher's Unions fight tooth and nail against vouchers for poor children to go to private school, shows the power struggle they insist to the determent of children.  Since you are north of the border for your understanding of the voucher system these unions and libs are so adamantly against:  A voucher is issued to a child who goes to a failing public school (any school with a high percentage of drop outs and extremely low test scores), the voucher is accepted by the private school and the tuition for that child is paid for out of the public school budget.  The child in most cases comes from a poor neighborhood, so this isn't about the middle class getting a private education.  The results are the child actually learns and passes their classes thus getting a reasonable education.  Of course the public school system and teachers are angry because #1 the child does better in a private school that spends less money per capita to educate that child, the obvious connection becomes, the public schools suck because their methods suck.  This means they can't point the finger any longer at school boards providing enough money, thus they must accept personal responsibility for the child's failure at the public school.  No one likes to be told they were wrong, especially liberals.  #2, since the voucher money comes from the public school budget, that means they have less money to throw away and this forces accountability on them to prioritize and actually do their jobs instead of whining. 

The bottom line is the unions and the public school system in the US got the attitude it wasn't their job to make sure each and every student learned.  They had the temerity to actually think that if 80 or 90% of the students passed a course, that it was the singular fault of the 10 to 20% of the students who couldn't learn.  No, the fault lies with both the teacher and the student.  Certain PC methods of spoon feeding information to students doesn't work for all the students, thus those students whose brain wiring doesn't work well with the PC method are essentially tossed aside as non conforming and written off.  This is unacceptable.  It is the responsibility of the teacher and school system to find out WHY children are failing and use a different teaching method to reach them.  As far as the student is concerned, it is their responsibility to come to class on time and be ready to learn, if they have a discipline problem then they must be dealt with along with the parent(s).

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

Don't foget DC

Wash DC's rail system is very popular

Metrox

Metrox,

Ditto. And very popular with me. I used it frequently when I was back there two weeks ago. Absolutely loved it, and, as a result, might not be as fixated in the future about having to stay in a pricey, downtown hotel when I visit. I had no idea how convenient it was. ns

Yes, the DC metro is a very

Yes, the DC metro is a very nice system because it is subsidized to the tune of millions of dollars every year by local governments.  I know the system well and used it many times when I worked downtown.  The problem is no matter how high the utilization rate for this particular system because even at $6 a ride during rush hour it still doesn't break even, thus the need for sudsidies.  The truth is you would need to pay a fare in the neighborhood of $10 each way and how many people are going to use the system at that cost?

It would have been far more cost effective to build parking garages downtown at appropriate sites and charge accordingly.  This way you don't get into the whole expense of staffing, maintaining and running a 24/7 system.  This is always the downfall of a centrally operated and planned system, no matter what economy of scale, the inefficiency is automatically built in.  

 Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008  Long Live the Empire!  Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.

Oh btw, as far as taxing

Oh btw, as far as taxing gas gobbling vehicles to lower CO2 emission, it doesn't work effectively: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/04/useless_green_tax_in_britain.html

In the UK where they take people like you seriously, $8 billion dollars worth of tax achieve a less than one percent decrease in emissions.  So to achieve a 10% reduction you would conceivably have to jack up that tax 10 fold.  I'm sure you are all for it.

 Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008  Long Live the Empire!  Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.

Um, NO

As much as you cannot function without the government having complete, micromanaging, total control of every aspect of your life, I cannot agree.

I refuse to punish those who make decisions of their own freewill.  If someone wants to buy a vehicle that gets 10 mpgs, let them.  Don't expect me to want to steal from them as much as you do for wanting to make a life decision.

I also will allow the market to give the signal to companies to be fuel efficient.  A decade ago, when fuel costs were of no concern, there was hardly any emphasis in market campaigns for fuel economy.  Now, that is front and center.  Wonder why that is?

Mass transit is great...IF there is DEMAND for them.  Until then...

And this is hardly the president's fault, or any president's fault.  Economics is a little bigger than that. 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

its about incentives not punishment

the vehicle that gets 10 mpg spews into the atmosphere for all to breathe. have you read the athsma stats lately? 

incentives to those who make choices to be more respective of those around them. full price to those who choose to drive piggy vehicles.

here is a sampling of the true cost. http://www.commutesolutions.org/calc.htm 

Abeautifulsocialist

the vehicle that gets 10 mpg spews into the atmosphere for all to breathe. have you read the athsma stats lately?  Unlike nosy Socialist busybodies like yourself who are scrounging the world looking for people to steal from, I could care less if the vehicle in question gets 10 gallons to the mile.  If the individual can afford the cost of fuel to fill the thing up, I really don't care. 

But if you want to veil your hatred of people who DARE to be more successful than you with some public health concern, I read some years ago that asthma diagnoses were skyrocketing due to better detection, more public awareness, and - alarmingly - people's desire to purify the air on the inside, instead of allowing the respiratory system to naturally encounter allergens and combat them.

incentives to those who make choices to be more respective of those around them.  Right.  What you call "incentive" I call theft, for that is a more accurate term.  "Incentive" to me is the reason i opted not to go for a V8 truck years ago: fuel cost.  full price to those who choose to drive piggy vehicles.  AGAIN, Socialist, who makes the determination of who drives a "piggy" vehicle?  YOU?  A bunch of Socialists like yourself?  People can drive whatever they damn well please, due to this inconvenient thing (for you) that I believe in: freewill.  I know you simply cannot breathe without a government funded Nanny to tell you when and how to inhale and exhale, but must you shackle we who wish to NOT be wards of the State? 

And as if I will click on any Leftist/Socialist link you provide.  I don't even click on Rightist ones due to that nasty little concern I have called source evaluation.  Doubtless when you post some website, it will be for the sole purpose of pushing your Socialist/anti-capitalist agenda. 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

- whoever doesn't give

- whoever doesn't give incentives to companies that research smaller, more fuel efficient vehicles

Thus speaks the socialist collectivist economic illiterate.

Why the hell should tax dollars be given to private companies to produce goods that thew consumer should decide they want to buy - OR NOT.

Hey -- here's my research that cost the government nothing. The amount of fuel to propel a car seems to be mainly a function of  "WEIGHT" 

You want to die in a plastic car that does 100 miles per gallon as it crawls along at 30 mph, and couldn't survive a collision with a bicycle -- THAT'S YOUR FRACKIN'  choice.

But, screw you. I want something that does 0-60 in six seconds, and in which I can survive being flipped over. 

http://www.iht.com/articles/

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/04/16/america/NA-GEN-US-Food-Aid.php 

Low global wheat stocks, coupled with the emergence of a virulent crop disease, are threatening the world's food supply, U.S. Agriculture Secretary Edward Schafer told food aid groups Wednesday.

"We have never been less secure about the near-term future of wheat," he said. "Here in the United States it is our most basic crop with a farm gate value of $16 billion (€10 billion). Global wheat stocks are at an unprecedented historic 30-year low, and U.S. wheat stocks are at unprecedented 60-year low."

We are facing an immanent crisis of epic proportions, you can laugh at the rationing of 25 lbs rice bags at Costco due to restaurants, you can not laugh at impending disaster.  Millions will literally starve to death due to the diversion of food crops to ethanol just to satisfy some politically correct ideology.  The names of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid will be synonymous with starvation just as Neville Chamberlain was with appeasement. 

AGW and Ethanol have become the most grotesque abuse of ideology since Rachel Carlson instigated the deaths of millions of poor people in Africa due to her DDT environmental propaganda.  It is outright genocide of the poor.

 Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008  Long Live the Empire!  Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.

Remove restrictions on

Remove restrictions on drilling and building(refineries) and stop the ethanol foolishness.

I have been pounding the Maine delegation to approach POTUS to do this by fiat if necessary. The restrictions are artificially keeping oil prices high and need to be removed. Once thought  of as 'progressive", they are in fact regressive and curtailing market-driven competition. 

 

Farm policy created ethanol

One of the major reasons that ethanol exists is to give corn farmers another market for their crops and thus to raise prices.  It's been around in corn states for a couple of decades.  It took government mandates to force ethanol to really take off as an industry.  But as usual with government policy, no one thought through the many economic consequences of higher corn prices.

Much of farm policy is predicated on keeping existing farms (often euphemistically called "family farms" to tug at the heartstrings) in business.  Given the state of agricultural technology, a lot of those farms would have to be consolidated if the free market were allowed to function.  But politicians don't have the stones to endure the wrath of displaced farm families.  I believe the '80's farm crisis was aggrivated by government's efforts to try to control economic forces.  We obviously haven't learned anything, so expect another farm crisis eventually.

In the meantime, we need to educate people to the truth of the envirnomentalists' claims.  We've been silent so long that most people have been taken in by at least some of their mythology. 

When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.

Uh-Oh NBs got mentioned

Uh-Oh NBs got mentioned again today too on Rush, what is that three days in a row now, maybe skipped yesterday, I can't keep up anymore....Noel good work!  

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

BT

BT,

What was Rush covering, and at what time? ns

never mind when, did he

never mind when, did he quote anyone, whose idea did he run with?  <sarcasm>

 Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008  Long Live the Empire!  Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.

Noel, It was about the

Noel,

It was about the same time I posted this to you...I was on hold on the phone and tried to look for sure if it was this blog post you wrote or the one from yesterday I think... it was about algore and his tie-breaking vote in the Senate regarding ethanol (which as I posted then on the thread, I didn't even know about)...pretty sure that was the one, I just didn't have time to get to it, my phone call came through....

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

"As food prices soar, and

"As food prices soar, and rationing of such things as rice begin, America's media are finally starting to wake up to the inconvenient truth that ethanol is not the energy panacea folks like Nobel Laureate Al Gore proclaim."

I am sorry, but the above couldn't be further from the truth.  There is no ground swell by the drive by media regarding ethanol.  Proof that there isn't is two fold.  First, you highlight the remarks of Glen Beck and his guest.  Both are considered right wing idealogues and clearly not main stream media.  Glen Beck is barely tolerated at CNN, a far left wing news outlet.  Second, every time that oil goes up in price, the drive by media announces that the causes are speculators and some minor disruption on the other side of the planet.  Regardless of what is happening on the other side of the planet, always mentioned is the influence of speculators on the price of oil. 

The drive by media will never ever admit that their working hand in hand with one of the most liberal Congresses in our history to develop a non energy policy is to blame.  They nor liberal politicians will never admit that it takes more energy to produce a gallon of ethanol then ethanol produces when burned. 

Noel, you are always ready to give the drive bys the benefit of the doubt or when you produce a single shred of a lack on liberaliness you tell us the entire drive by media is coming around and ought to be praised.  These people should be vilified and shunned for the charlatans and idiots that they are.  It is only when policy is actually changed that any praise is acceptable.  Short of that, it is simply triangulation on the part of these people.  Don't fall for it. 

JDH

JDH,

In the past 90 days, there have been 998 English-speaking press reports dealing with ethanol and either food prices or inflation. That's eleven a day.

ABC has done four pieces, NBC two, CNN two, PBS one, NPR one, NYT eight, USA Today five, LAT six.

I'm sorry, but I stand by my position that this issue is starting to get a lot of press coverage. ns

Over 14,000 News Stories about Ethanol

But there has been over 14,000 news stories over the last month about Ethanol. Thus Noel is right again.

The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource

I knew this would happen...

While I applaud Noel on his blog and Beck bringing this subject up on his show, when this idea was first foisted upon the American people, I said to my Mom, whom I was having lunch with at the time, that this will cause nothing but problems with the corn crops as well as any other food crop that Ethanol could use, so to be honest, I'm surprised that anyone with an I.Q. that allows for bladder control wouldn't have seen this comming immediately when this ridiculous idea was brought up in the first place.

I'm not saying that I'm smarter than everyone else, but rather if I could figure this out, ANYONE could. I'm surprised that so many people actually bought into this crap, as it should have never gotten off the ground.

Too many sheep in this country I guess...