NYT's Herbert: 'Democrats Doing Everything They Can to Blow This Election'

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By Noel Sheppard | April 19, 2008 - 18:14 ET

In the second half of today's "As The Left Eat Their Own," the New York Times' Bob Herbert goes after Democrats for "doing everything they can to blow this presidential election."

And that was just the first sentence of his scathing rebuke of all things currently left-leaning.

With that as an appetizer, readers are advised to strap themselves into their comfiest chairs with a nice bucket of popcorn at their sides, and prepare for a ride guaranteed to thrill beyond their wildest expectations (emphasis added throughout):

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Jimmy Carter managed to win the White House in 1976 by looking pious and riding a wave of anti-Watergate revulsion. After four hapless years, he dutifully handed the keys back to the G.O.P.

Bill Clinton tried hard to lose, with sex scandals and whatnot, during the 1992 campaign. But Ross Perot wouldn’t let him. Mr. Clinton won with a piddling 43 percent of the vote. For eight years, Mr. Clinton tried to throw the presidency away (with sex scandals and whatnot), but he was never able to succeed.

That’s been it for the party for the past 40 years. The Democrats have become so psychologically battered by these many decades in the leadership wilderness that they consider the Clinton years, during which the president was impeached and they lost control of both houses of Congress, to have been a period of triumph.

Amazing honesty, and rather rare for a media member, wouldn't you agree?

After all, in just three short paragraphs, Herbert disparaged the only two presidents the Democrats have been able to get into office since Johnson was re-elected. In so doing, he spoke an inconvenient truth few on the left ever dare: if not for Ross Perot, Clinton NEVER would have won in 1992.

Maybe more shocking, Herbert was willing to admit how absurd it is for the left in this nation to look upon the Clinton years -- when the Democrats lost control of both chambers of Congress for the first time in many decades -- as their crowning achievement.

But Herbert wasn't done -- not by a long shot:

Hillary Clinton’s disapproval ratings have climbed into a zone that makes it legitimate to wonder whether she could defeat Senator McCain. And much of the excitement and enthusiasm surrounding Mr. Obama’s candidacy has cooled.

That raucous laughter you hear in the background is coming from the likes of Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, President Bush and Senator McCain. They can’t believe their good fortune.

Frankly, I'm not sure I agree with this, for despite the polls and conventional wisdom six months ago presaging an almost certain Democrat victory in November 2008, many on the right saw this for what it was: the media, as they often do, trying to create a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Regardless of this shameless posturing, many Republicans saw Clinton and Obama as being empty suits that wouldn't withstand extensive scrutiny, and, as such, really aren't at all surprised by their collapse.

Of course, nobody predicted the current stalemate, or it lasting this long -- which, indeed, has been quite fortunate:

Instead of capitalizing on the political advantages presented by these issues, the Democrats, with their increasingly small-minded approach to this election, are squandering them. [...]

It’s not too late for the Democrats to pull this off. But there’s already blood on the floor from the nomination fight, and the fight ain’t over. The G.O.P.’s fondest wish is that the Democrats keep doing what they’re doing.

You're darn tootin', Bob. And, we hope you liberals in the media keep eating your candidates this way -- in plain sight, for all to see...and, hopefully, for the next seven months!

Would somebody pass the beer nuts?

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.

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Ya think?

So Bob Herbert thinks the Demoncrats are working hard at blowing the presidential election.

So Bob, what's your point?  Have you ever heard the phrase "give someone enough rope and they'll hang themselves"? The GOP is doing just that to their left-wing counterparts and it's working like a charm.

More power to the Republicans.

Excuse me while I get out a box of tissues for the democrats - sniff, sniff...

"Yeah! That's the ticket!" - Tommy Flanagan

It also explains why Howard

It also explains why Howard Dean wants this to end NOW!

To stop the bleeding!

Time to place your bets...

As to how much longer Howard Dean will be the DNC chairman...I'll bet a steak dinner that, after the election, it's going to be buh-bye!

"Yeah! That's the ticket!" - Tommy Flanagan

Heh heh heh. If they lose it

Heh heh heh. If they lose it will be the day after. aaaAAAHHHHhhh!!!

Not touching that one....

Not touching that one....

I hope so. He stinks as

I hope so. He stinks as chairman. 

Time's up, Howie!

Much as I can't stand the jerk, I think Dean's term would be up shortly after the election anyway. 

When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.

Noel

I realize it must be fun for you watching the self destructing Democrats. I really don't blame you, it is sweet pay back for all the msm does to sabatoge the GOP. I get that.

Forgive me if I am wrong, but i feel, judging from the comments you and I had in Chat. You feel McCain can easily win this Presidency. I'm not saying it is you, but I see countless comments from people on this site complain and say it is the bias msm that is incorrectly saying Bush's approval rating of 29 percent is bias. Now that the polls have McCain up by 10 points, all of a sudden McCain is a shoo-in and people are agreeing with these polls.

Clinton and Obama have both raised more than McCain individially by 10s of millions of dollars. Everybody is saying it won't happen, but I am betting there will a dream ticket. If and I am only saying if they decide to run on the same ticket, the Demacratic fallout can be controlled. I am guessing we will see a nominee by the end of May.

I will bet the Democrats are prepared and very organized come Convention time. Also with a war chest full of a very united democratic followers. Also a warchest full of greenbacks. Oil is 117.00 a barrel, jobs are being lost, the housing market is crashing. I am not saying its Bush's fault, but I bet of America thinks so. Is Bush even running in this election shawn? You bet your a$$ he is People want chg Noel. I am not saying Obama or Clinton can give it to them, but sometimes people  feel the leadership cannot be any worse than it is now. Thats the truth!!

Shawn

Shawn,

I don't know where to begin, and likely won't touch on all of your points...but will try.

First, if Obama wins -- and I believe he will -- he's not going to pick Hillary as his running mate. No chance. He certainly doesn't want Bill and Hill as his second fiddles. No chance. Never going to happen. And I'll wager money.

If she wins, I don't think he's either offered the position, or accepts. Please understand that the Clintons and Rendell believe that there are people in America that won't vote for a black person. This has been KEY to their campaign strategy, and why they brought race into the race in the first place.

Furthermore, there are people in this nation that WON'T vote for a woman to be president. Period. As such, this ISN'T a dream ticket -- it's a guaranteed loser, and the Clintons know it.

As for Bush's polling numbers, I think you misunderstand what folks view is the bias here. It's not the survey results per se. Instead, it's the CONSTANT BUSH-BASHING by media which produces the results. He gets credit for nothing, and is blamed for everything. So, how could he possibly poll well?

By contrast, McCain up to this point has been a media darling. So, this helps his polling numbers -- dramatically so!

As for the problems America is currently facing -- oil prices, inflation, slowing economy, declining home values -- these are all real, and on people's minds. However, once you enter the general election, voters will want to hear the solutions being offered by the two remaining candidates, and just parroting "Change, change, change" won't cut it.

And, I promise you, neither will promising to raise taxes.

Let me make a comparison between today and 1980. Back then, we had spiraling oil prices, runaway inflation, high unemployment, and hostages being held in Iran. Do you think people voted for Reagan because he offered change?

No. They voted for Reagan because he specifically outlined HOW he was going to CHANGE things. They believed him, and turned out in HUGE numbers.

By contrast, neither Obama nor Clinton are actually offering policy ideas to CHANGE the current economic conditions. NADA. ZIP. ZILCH. They're just talking about change.

In fact, you can even compare this period to 1992. Clinton promised to cut middle-class taxes to help folks struggling. Remember? This was key, because he knew that people don't vote for tax hikes. Correct? Now, of course, he never intended to cut anybody's taxes, but that's irrelevant.

Flash 16 years forward, and both Hillary and Barack are employing Mondale's failed campaign strategy of raising taxes while abandoning Reagon and Clinton's successful strategy of promising tax cuts.

With this in mind, as the tax hike campaign strategy is 0-2 in your lifetime, and the tax cut strategy is 2-2, why are you banking on the losing strategy? Hmmm? :-) ns

Humor me Noel

I know you and alot of people are saying it won't happen. What if it does? I know if is a hypothetcal, but what if? I mean how many people would have guessed a yr ago McCain will be the frontrunner? People are not making fun of those "what if" people any more. Both know there will be lots of political fallout no matter who wins the nomiation. It will be political suicide to not pick the other as running mate. Do they want a vice president they don't like? Or they want the keys to the White House? I would say this is the only way they can win.

So anyways please humor me. If they are running on the same ticket, this will pose a very formidable challenge. Yes people from the Carter administration wanted change and that is why they voted for Reagan. The thing is, people could care less about a democratic senate and house, they blame Mr. Bush for what is going on right now. All Obama and Clinton have to do is remind of how bad his administration is and bring up Katrina and blame the President for leading us into this war and that can be quite the challenge Noel. You think people will have the common sense to vote for McCain, but you are forgetting most of America knows Britney Spears does not wear panties, but they do not know who the Speaker of the house is. The Democrats did not win the House and Senate a yr and a half ago by fluke

Shawn

Shawn,

I thought I did humor you on this: it's a losing ticket.

Do the math, man: there is a percentage of Democrats and Independents that WON'T vote for a woman, and a percentage of Democrats and Independents that WON'T vote for a black. In an election that likely will be won by a percentage point or less, by pairing these two, you're DOUBLING the number of people that WON'T vote for the Dem ticket.

It's a loser -- big time.

And, it's a capitalist's dream, for the Dems would be pairing two socialists together. Big mistake.

Feel humored? ns

I'll take that bet Noel

I don't mean take the bet Noel. I am not as confident of one choosing the other as a running mate, but if they are the same ticket, they will beat McCain.

Democrats will be united come convention time Noel and with conservatives luke warm support for McCain, it is anyone's game.

Shawn

Shawn,

Okay, so here's the bet: if Obama and Hillary are paired as running mates this year, I say McCain wins. Loser buys first round of drinks and two appetizers at Izzy's. Deal? ns

Noel

You got it Noel, I can taste those cajan fried oysters right now.

Shawn

Shawn,

Yeah, baby!

Of course, this means if you win, I REALLY lose! I mean, forget about the bet, but with those two socialists in the White House, my taxes are going up, the economy will plummet, my house will continue to decline in value as will my stocks.

As Jack Nicholson said in "Terms of Endearment," we're going to need a LOT of alcohol!!! :-) ns

lol Noel

I remember lots of people getting rich in the Bill Clinton years. Yes I know....He is not responsibabe whatsoever right? "rolls eyes"

Just to change the subject a little bit, re: global warming. It is extremely cold today Noel and windy in the middle of April. Your right no sign of global warming today. :-)

Shawn

Shawn,

Not so fast. You're not getting a pass on that things were so good during the Clinton years quip.

After all, yes they were. However, can you tell me when the recession of the early 90s ended? Which quarter, and what year? ns

I admit I cannot Noel

Your the economist not me. I admit I certainly do not know monetary statistics like you do but during the Clinton, Gas was cheap, our dollar was powerful. the highest ownership in history "at that time" minus todays forclosures. We had the hugest surpluss in history. Is all this Bills doing? Of course not, but that is what I remember durin the Clinton era

I know many here choose to remember Felatio and a blue dress, and that is their choice.

I guarantee you, if we had a Democrat for a President right now and things are just as bad, the GOP would be saying how horribe the ecomomy is doing , how bad the oil prices are and directly blaming the Democratic President.

Shawn

Shawn,

The answer: the second quarter of 1991. You can check it here if you don't believe me: http://www.bea.gov/n...

In fact, the economy grew by 2.6 percent that quarter. That was before 99.9 percent of the nation ever heard of Bill Clinton. Agreed?

Yet, he campaigned on the economy being terrible, even though the recession ended almost a year before the first primary. Did this matter to the lying, cheating, thieving, Bill Clinton? Not at all, for he campaigned as if the economy was in a virtual depression. Correct?

Please also consider that the economy in 1992 -- you know, the year he was campaigning about "It's the economy, stupid!" -- grew by 3.3 percent. Pretty good, right? Only grew by 2.7 percent in his first year in office, which means that things were BETTER before he got in, right?

Furthermore, the real expansion began in his second term AFTER the GOP took over Congress and he FINALLY capitulated to tax cuts. In fact, the economy expanded by 4.5%, 4.2%, 4.5%, and 3.7% in the years AFTER the GOP took over Congress, and taxes were cut.

Want to give HIM credit?

Of course, as a pure capitalist, I don't really want to give the GOP credit for the strength of the economy during that period, for much of it was created by the development of the 586 platform by Intel -- better known to laymen as the Pentium chip -- and the resulting explosion in computer and internet technology and usage.

This had NOTHING to do with government. Just good, old-fashioned American innovation...and THAT'S LARGELY what caused the economic expansion of the mid to late 90s -- NOT Bill Clinton!!! JMHO. ns

I do give Clinton credit Noel

I am not even going to attempt to beat your on percentages or recessions or numbers and figures, because I am not as educated as you on things of that matter.

What i will give Clinton credit for is working well with the Republican congress, Does Bush work as well with the Democrats? Maybe with the immigration bill, but too much infighting with the GOP on that one.

Together Clinton and a republican congress, cut taxes, passed the Roth IRA, eliminated the Capital Gains tax. They did alot of good together.

I remember much better times during the Clinton yrs, that the country faces today no? Terrorism, Airlines going bankrupt like crazy, souring fuel prices with no end in site.

No Clinton was not responsible for all of it, but it was a better time than now...no?

I disagree on a couple of

I disagree on a couple of things;

First: Clintondid NOT work well with the Republican congress. Remember the famous budget showdown? Clinton wouldn't sign the spending bill the Repubs sent up, and managed to blame them for "shutting down the government." He also vetoed welfare reform twice when they sent it to him. He signed it on the third try, only because Dick Morris told him that he needed to, if he wanted to get re-elected; he claimed that he had gotten them to doctor it up enough that he could finally accept it.

Second< as for the "economic boom" on the heels of his tax increases in 1993, it was only because things were so good even tax increases couldn't dampen them. And it turned out that a lot of it (the dotcom Internet ecstasy) was built on air, and couldn't last forever; but it lasted long enough for Bill Clinton to take credit as doing a marvelous job of "managing the economy" and making millionaires; and to make people think that tax increases were actually "good" for growing the economy.

mothebelt

Of course they did not agree on everything. I am just saying they did some wonderthings together and he must have passed and vetoed the right things to have had such a prosperous time in American history wouldn't it?

To quite Clinton, I think I was not a matter of chance because a great ecomomy fell into his lap, it was a matter of choice.

Ok, MB lets leave the past for now and go the present. Noel thinks McCain can beat Clinton/Obama. If the ecomomy was great, the United States not at war, Good interest rates, a balanced budget and Gore still losing the election for his part, I do not see how Noel can say McCain can win, with the country in the shape it is in right now.

† I like it Shawn

Let's elect the Obama/Clinton ticket at once.

After 4 years, we'll be ready for real leadership and all that nonsense about the "glass ceiling" and "America is racist" will be behind us.

♣ a seal

Cool Arrow

I am not saying I necessarily want Obama and Clinton to win, I am saying they have a very good chance of winning.

† I know Shawn

I'm just sharing my lemonade recipe with you.

♣ a seal

Right on the money, Noel...

Noel,

I find it interesting, too, that the democrats are now in desperation mode in trying to ride this "change, change, change" mantra.

Change what? When? How? Their fearless leaders, Screamin' Howard Dean and speaker Nancy Pelosi, have been pathetic failures to getting their policies on track.  They can't even get the cooperation of their party leaders and have offered a grand total of zero in solutions to whatever changes they think are needed. The democratic party is undergoing a massive implosion right now because of all the sniping between the two candidates.

Oh yeah - here's a change. Universal health care - but - notice how Shmillary and Osama Bama can't tell the American people HOW this is going to be paid for? 

They're living in a fantasy world if they think voters are going to forget about how this campaign has been conducted. It is a train wreck in the making and McCain is playing his cards right by staying under the radar while this inter-democratic battle is going on.

Again, I quote: Give someone enough rope and they'll hang themselves.

"Yeah! Thats' the ticket!" - Tommy Flanagan

 

 

 

You can just promise without explaining.

"Oh yeah - here's a change. Universal health care - but - notice how
Shmillary and Osama Bama can't tell the American people HOW this is
going to be paid for?"

People just wanted to get the tax cuts and rebates checks, when Bush promised them, but they did not question on where the money was going to come from.

Well, with a trillion dollar debt, I am guessin where it went.

s228,

suffers from highly inflammatory acute ADD by quoting someone elses words and then??? WTH??  s228 please tell us HOW "uhc" is going to be paid?   The same people that wanted to "get tax cuts and rebate checks" are the same people that "want" "UHC".  They either pay NO taxes now and want a rebate check(welfare) or they NEED "UHC" because they will never have to pay for it. Nice racket..... Want/Need....and Atlas Shrugged..........sigh

 

"Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money...." MARGARET THATCHER

????????????

Your right I guess I do suffer from sort of ADD, because I have no idea what you are saying. You might want to stop with the acronyms. WTF?

The G.O.P.’s fondest wish is that the Democrats keep doing what

Rush, you magnificent bastard!

Amen

Amen Bro! Operation Chaos at its finest.

Rush is in their heads

Rush Limbaugh is the king of all media. Operation Chaos is his finest hour should the dems go on to lose...badly.

Don't want to get in on

Don't want to get in on that long, ever-narrowing column of posts, but I would like to comment on a couple of Noel's points:

As for Bush's polling numbers, I think you misunderstand what folks
view is the bias here. It's not the survey results per se. Instead,
it's the CONSTANT BUSH-BASHING by media which produces the results. He
gets credit for nothing, and is blamed for everything. So, how could he
possibly poll well?

The polls are sort of like the army's recon missions after a bombing run. They bash Bush for weeks, then they do a poll to measure the results. If the results are "good", they trumpet that as if they had nothing to do with it, and use it as justification to keep bashing him. A nice little vicious circle.

I also agree with Noel that there will be no "dream ticket." Obama looks like the winner here, and not only does he not need her or want her, but also she knows it's her ticket to oblivion.

As for the economy,etc....Obama is currently running an ad in PA saying that Mrs. Clinton's negativity won't do anything to bring down the price of gas, or help with jobs or anything thing else. Of course it doesn't say what HE will do to bring down the price of gas or anything else! It simply says he will  "stand up for all Americans."

Now what the H does THAT mean? 

Noel is right, come the general election, people won't settle for "We are the ones we've been waiting for!" And "Yes we can!" will be answered by "HOW?"

About economic numbers --

About economic numbers -- the rate of growth in the 3Q of 2007 was 4.5%. So, this means that Dubya in one quarter suddenly got economically dense? The economy had grown by leaps and bounds after the turndown after 9/11. Notice they didn't credit the uptick to Bush and in fact did everything possible to ignore it.

As for the Clinton surplus, this was due to people throwing money at the stock market during the dot com boom and savvy investors making huge profits and paying substantial taxes due to paying at the short term capital gains rate. The really rich knew it was a bubble, were quickly in-an-out right after an IPO, and didn't mind paying the higher rate on gigantic profits. They weren't buying the stocks to hold long enough for the long term rate to kick in. Thus a huge increase in tax revenues and the resultant surplus.

What libs fail to point out is that when Clinton did show a surplus, the next year he added about $300 billion in budget requests. He couldn't wait to spend the excess.

Frankly, Presidents have little effect on the macro economy and thank gawd for that. Economies boom and bust because too much money is invested in Get Rich Quick and Then Get Poor Faster fads.  

 

 

 

 

This is a Center-Right country.

That's the one big advantage the GOP has had over Democrats for over forty years.    During that time, we've elected only two Democrat presidents.   Carter won a close election and Clinton had the benefit of a third party candidate in Perot.

Whether the nominee is Obama or Clinton, the Democrats are going to have to convince the country they're not the out of touch elitist snobs we all know they are.   Already Obama's let his guard slip.