Fox News: “Media ‘Talking Down’ the Economy to Get a Dem Elected?”

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Just how obvious is it that the media's economic and business coverage is so negatively skewed that it has to be part of a political agenda in an election year?

Obvious enough for the folks at Fox News to do an entire segment Saturday morning asking the extraordinary question: "Media ‘Talking Down' the Economy to Get a Dem Elected?"

Despite my surprise seeing "Cavuto on Business" begin with such a question framed at the bottom of the screen, I was almost enraptured by the comments from Neil's guests which not only included regular assertions that this is clearly about getting a Democrat in the White House, but also that media are "committing a crime against the general public" by creating a self-fulfilling prophecy that will end up costing people their jobs in the long run.

More importantly, "if we have a serious recession, a great deal will lie at the media's feet."

Cavuto marvelously began the segment:

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NEIL CAVUTO, HOST: Well, is the economy slowing? Well, yeah it is. But call me crazy, is it as bad as this? This week, the Associated Press claiming Americans are being subjected to, and I quote "economic water torture." And then this little ditty item on the GDP, "The economy nearly sputtered out at the end of the year." We were up at the end of the year. Why someone here says this is all part of the media's plan to get a Democrat in the White House. Is it?...First to Ben Stein, and Ben, your reaction to this idea that we're going to hell in a hand-basket.

BEN STEIN: Well, the media has been selling us on fear and recession for months maybe years now. Even before there was and really seriously bad news they were selling, selling, selling fear. They have been shouting "FIRE" in a crowded theatre now for months, quarters, I'd say probably over a year. The actual economic conditions are not that bad. I think if we have a recession, if we have a serious recession, a great deal will lie at the media's feet. And I don't know why they're doing it. They're the ones that are going to lose their jobs.

CAVUTO: What do you think of that, that we are going into a slowdown - some would even say a recession - but to hear some in the media tell it, depression?

CHARLES PAYNE, WSTREET.COM: It's really, what the real problem is is that it's not fair to the public that they're supposedly serving. You know, when you stir things up, and I think Ben the analogy to yelling "FIRE" in a crowded movie theatre is absolutely perfect. I mean, when you say something like "water torture," it's not only, to me it just seems that they're taking a shot at the GOP on the economy, but also with the Iraq war and water-boarding. That's exactly what I thought of when I heard it. And, it's so transparent, and, but, the really sad thing is I think they're committing a crime against the general public when they do this.

CAVUTO: Peter Sheahan, you're very big on words mattering and the impression they leave matter. Words like that, "water torture," "depression," those are strong words.

PETER SHEAHAN, AUTHOR: It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you tell people life is going to be bad, they're going to make their decisions to tighten their wallets, stop spending their money, and then life will be bad. And I'm from the outside, so I get to watch it from the other parts of the world....We're seeing in other countries now the economy starting to tighten because we're in fear that America might be in recession. So, the fundamentals looked pretty good to me twelve months ago, six months ago even. And now not just is the American economy potentially going to be in trouble as a result of this talking it up, so are other economies around the world.

Exactly. And that's what makes Payne's point about this being a crime accurate. After all, if the economy isn't as bad NOW as media are portraying, but worsens in the months to come due to such a portrayal, people will end up losing jobs here, and this could cascade into a larger global economic event.

Shouldn't media's goal be to REPORT the news and NOT create it? If the current gloom and doom depictions actually worsen the economy, aren't press members not just complicit in advancing a political agenda, but also in harming the personal finances of potentially millions of people both here and abroad?

Payne certainly thinks so:

PAYNE: But, let me just cut to the real chase here: the reality is is that it's not that they're always selling negative news. They're really in this because it seems like they're trying to get a Democrat in the White House...The media wants the Democrats to win the White House.

Bravo, folks. We need MUCH more of this kind of media analysis on television so that people will better understand what's going on with our supposedly impartial press, and just how far "journalists" are willing to go -- even to the extent of causing a much deeper economic contraction -- in order to win in November.

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.


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That business with...

..a .6 uptick being "weak", and a .6 downturn being "a plunge", told it all for me.

The MSM is scum, vile and treacherous, but fortunately so stupidly transparent as to be laughable.

 

I agree with heldmyw but...

When the Dem's get in it will be ...a .6 uptick being "surge", and a .6 downturn being "standard".

I'm tired of yellow journalism, is there anything we can do?

LOE, All I can think is

LOE,

All I can think is to try to educate people. Some refuse to see it, but you strike a nugget every now and then.

And I come here to vent.   ;^)

Getch'er hot soup

Yum, I can smell the soup in the soup line already.

D

Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.

I just saw a Glen Beck commercial

And from the sound of it, he almost sounds even gloomier about spending/debt than I do. Almost...
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

Remember Greenspan came out

Remember Greenspan came out just hours after the 9/11 attacks and said the Fed was "open for business" and they would do whatever was necessary to prevent the a wider economic disaster? Why do you think he did that? Better yet, don't you think that simple statement had more effect on the markets than immediately slashing the Fed Funds Rate by 200 basis points?

Now we have the economic reciprocal of the MSM whipping everyone up into a frenzy to fit their political narrative. Emotions are VERY relevant in a market economy. I'm sure we've all seen the story about Wal-Mart gift cards being used for consumer staples rather than consumer discretionary. The Consumer Confidence Index is at a 5-year low. Even the Fed's recent rate cuts have more to do with psychology than economics since institutions are hoarding capital.

Is it a crime to report poor economic news? No, the MSM is obligated to do so. But is it a crime to report a 30 car pile-up when there is only a little boy with a skinned knee after wrecking his bicycle?

50%

People laugh at the anti-american lame stream media but in fact they are dangerous. Right now 50% of the American public is brainwashed due to watching slime put out by the likes of CNN and they're brother enemy supporters. I don't watch more than 5 minutes per week but pick up what they put out from the web sites. and it's not pretty. BDS is rampart in democrat circles and you can find it anytime you talk to a democrat. To me the only funny part is the fact that the Media types are killing their own profession. Do you know anyone that truthfully trust anything they hear/read from the LSM? Even the brainwashed know better but still put pencil to paper and voted democrat.

 

Old, Retired and glad of it.

This isnt the first time

This isnt the first time this has happened. back during the 2006 election the media reported that the democrats were going to win big almost an entire year before the election. I swear it was the same story every day, the dems are going to win big in the 2006 election blah blah blah. Keep repeating the same thing and these people are right, it will become self fulfilling.

Class action

So, if a bunch of use lose our jobs because of the 'downturn', can we file class action lawsuits against the media for forcing the US into a recession?

 

Fascism is a religious conception in which man is seen in his imminent relationship with a superior law and with an objective will that transcends the particular individual - Mussolini

Cavuto is a Prophet

He is profound. If the media says it is so then it is so. The more the economy is talked DOWN the better the self fulfilling prophesy. 

Interest rates are low and the banks are no longer lending to the averagae buyer. Try a refinance or borrowing against existing equity?

Self employed with "no income verification" NO WAY. The little guy is screwed every way they turn and I am talking about good credit and on time mortgage payments.

Is the media responsible? In large measure YES. Let us not forget the congress who continues to scare the hell out of lenders as well.

I agree with Cavuto.

Nothing New

"Though unrecognized at the time, the current recovery began in March 1991, long before Bill Clinton defeated President George Bush on the assertion that he did not know how to manage the economy"

The NY Times, in a February 7, 2000 editorial.

"unrecognized" is liberal-speak for "unreported". The time between March of 1991 and Election Day 1992 was...over 18 months.

CNBC - Business Channel Feeling The Political Heat?

Just saw a CNBC self-promo ad that states something like "CNBC Is The Unbiased Business Network."

Obviously, a swipe at the Fox Business News channel.

So is CNBC, the most watched business channel in the world, getting feedback from disgruntled viewers, or does it actually think stock traders like me want to watch their HARD LEFT interpretation of business events?

On Thursday, Maria Bartiromo did a slavish, massively promoted, intensely favorable, seemingly endless interview with the Oba-messiah.

On Friday, suddenly, out of no where, CNBC starts to re-run clips of Obama's statement that he will raise cap gains taxes and other taxes, and they start having political talking heads debate the issue.

Curiously, though I watch about 25 hours of CNBC per week, the fact that both Clinton and Obama want to raise cap gain, dividend, and income taxes is almost never discussed.

Frequently, CNBC will have Wall Street executives on the show who have contributed money to Obama or Clinton, and CNBC will not even bring up the OBVIOUS issue of why these guys are in favor of increasing taxes on their customers.

CNBC treats Warren Buffet like a god, but never seriously questions his support of the Inheritance Tax, even though Buffet has a critical conflict of interest with his investments in (tax free) life insurance companies, and in Buffet's fire sale purchases of dozens of family owned businesses that could not afford to pay inheritance taxes.

I look forward to the day when my cable provider gives me the Fox Business Channel, so I can start watching "biased" business news.   

I have to question the Obama

I have to question the Obama statement as nothing but an attempt to scare the markets further so that they react negatively and the media can lay another exaggerated economic negative at Bush's feet.

"tax free life insurance companies"?

Maybe I'm not following your point. Understand, I'm no fan of Warren Buffet, but your characterization is misleading at best, and in many cases completely incorrect.

First, life insurance companies pay significant taxes.

Second, the only way an INDIVIDUAL'S (completely different issue than Buffet's company's taxes) life insurance passes "(estate) tax free" is if it is owned outside the insured's estate... just like any other asset. (i.e., an irrevocable trust.) Otherwise, it is included in the decedent's estate... just like any other asset.

Yes, the repeal of the estate tax could significantly affect the business brought in by the insurance company(ies) he holds. (i.e., the amount of life insurance that is sold to pay estate taxes.) THAT is the real conflict of interest!

My thinking exactly...

For more than a year I've watched the MSM outright lying about the economy - yes, deliberately... and my immediate thought was that it was to influence the election.

Then I saw people reacting to falsehoods, repeating those falsehoods, and acting on the lies of leftist media hacks. That continues with more abandon and participation - and yes, it has cost people jobs, and worse, the life savings of many have taken major hits, and evaporated in other cases.

The reputation of MSM propagandists have tanked. Viewers have left in droves, yet they continue to have a major impact on the economy through distortion.

The best thing we can do is what this website does best - expose the distortions and lying, and encourage our friends to ignore leftist propaganda for what it is.

...but also that media are

...but also that media are "committing a crime against the general public" by creating a self-fulfilling prophecy that will end up costing people their jobs in the long run.

Noel, that is exactly what they are doing, IMHO.

What is more, some of us have already been affected by this in a very adverse way, to the point where I am possibly facing re-locating to another state (Texas) to remain in my chosen field, or stay here and make much less money.

Needless to say, my derision for the MSM has risen to levels far beyond anything I have felt previously. Those mindless news readers will still be up there every day, making their millions for regurgitating news copy composed by equally brainless interns, and for their willing assistance in putting myself, and many of my friends, in a very bad situation.

But no, I'm not bitter. :-)

Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!

Yet neither the SEC or the

Yet neither the SEC or the FCC are acting to curb the behavior.  When someone engages in a policy to manipulate the Stock Market, this is called an insider trading conspiracy which is the SEC's responsibility to police.   Don't think for one minute that someone isn't making a profit out off pushing down the market, it's called shorting stocks. If Martha Stewart can be prosecuted for selling her stock to avoid a loss, then the MSM clowns can and should be prosecuted for manipulation.

Likewise the FCC has also fallen down on their job, they are supposed to police the "public" airwaves when someone engages in manipulation of the public information domain.  

 Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008  Long Live the Empire!  Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.

 Fox Business News is

 Fox Business News is correct.  The media has a profound affect of the economy. Technically we are NOT in a recession, but if that is all you hear from every news source you listen to, even a wild broker will sit up and take notice.

A few thousand people got loans from a few hundred lending institutions who should not have. They did not understand the terms in which they got the loans, a lot with no money down, then, when the interest rate went up, they couldn't afford them any longer.

Now, the Libs want the US taxpayer to bail these individuals and banks out. So this is in the medias head, these folks who should have never had these big homes in the first place constitute a economic crisis.

As usual, the Dems have not thought this through. Who do you bail out? Do you bail out the fella with the $500K loan who can no longer make his monthly note? What about his neighbor who has a $500K loan and is barely creaking by, but making his monthly note? How's he going to feel about his tax money going to his neighbor? What a pickle we'll be in if either one of these Dems now running get in and decide to "bail" people out. That's your and my tax money folks...going down another huge rat hole.

Let the market take care of it. It always has, it always will.

 

Good points

Don't bail people or business out with tax money. Bear shouldn't have been bailed out. Exxon shouldn't get subsidies. Inefficient farmers shouldn't get subsidies. And that is not a Democrat thing only.

How come they got the Bear their millons so quick and I am still waiting for my measly $300?

Angry

When you send your taxes in, you will get part of it back.

First they need your $$$$ and then they will send part of it back. That is how it works.

In most cases, they are waiting for OUR $$$$$ and then they will give it to the less deserving!!

What can we do?

When I hear or see this kind of spin, I make a mental note of the next product I see advertised on that channel.  Then I avoid those products.

If more of us made it known that we won't buy from those who support this kind of maliciousness, it would have the effect of bringing a very private and focused "recession" upon them.  If like me you are incensed by this blatant manipulation of the public's well-being for political purposes, it isn't hard to remember the products that pay for it.  Try it, it feels good.

Rabbit ears on the tube(cbs)

Rabbit ears on the tube(cbs) and for example, check out wnd dotcom today and see why the fallen arches(mcd's) will no longer get my iced coffee/breakfast sandwich business.

Hooray for Fox, Cavuto and

Hooray for Fox, Cavuto and the rest like Payne...they need to do this every day as far as I am concerned, you watch the rest of the msm start to curb their wagging leftist tongues with an obvious agenda somewhat, I do say somewhat lightly, they will continue, but this gives other people that have a brain that works to start taking them on for their obvious agenda of doom and gloom...intentionally talking the economy down ect. for a leftist to be elected Prez ...about time, this makes my day!

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

Fox never lies, right?

It's the media. They all lie. That's what sells. It's their Kool-Aid to us. Remember Fox and WMD? They drank the Kool-Aid and sold it to us. They all do. Left, right and centre. It is for us to try and get through the BS.

Don't drink the Kool-Aid!

AA, define "lie."

BTW, for future reference, WMD's were, in fact, found in Iraq.

But even if they hadn't found any, our reasons for going there were to enforce a UN resolution by removing Hussein from power, not because of WMD's.

As to the "lie" you are referring to, then you must be accusing the Clinton administration of fibbing as well, as they were singing the same tune themselves.

Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!

our reasons for going there

our reasons for going there were to enforce a UN resolution by removing Hussein from power, not because of WMD's.

Really? Which week was that? Was that before WMDs or after the spreading of democracy?

 

bal, suppose you find the GWB qoute that nobody else has.

You know, the one where he specifically says the reason we are going into Iraq is because Hussein has WMD's.

He never said this. Ever.

And those who say he did are lying through their teeth.

There were, however, 17 U.N. resolutions regarding Iraq. How many should we have waited for before we acted? 25? 50 perhaps?

Any number more than one pretty much means UN resolutions aren't worth the paper they are written on. 

Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!

Didn't mention Bush, did I?

Didn't mention Bush, did I?

Bal, no, you didn't.

But somehow, I don't think you were referring to Tiny Tim, either. :-)

Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!

Bush is part of it, and I

Bush is part of it, and I know the resolutions were the official declaration, but there were many reasons given by many people after people started asking questions.

bal, you're right.

Problem was, nobody was asking those questions of Bill Clinton when his people were saying the exact same thing as Bush's people said later.

One can only wonder what might have happened differently if anyone had bothered to ask those same questions of Clinton.

Guess we'll never know. 

Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!

Kinda like this

Exactly.

Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!

 

What really is amazing

You have intelligence committees in the House/Senate.All kinds of committees on intelligence.Yet they act like it was the info giving by Bush alone.That is the biggest crock.They had all kinds of resources.Yet they cast blame on Bush.In 1980s I was stationed in FRG.Under BN Hqs they found bombs from WW2.WW2 had been over for more than a few years.

From Brother Al

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JE48XHKG64&NR=1

Well duh...I said that very

Well duh...I said that very thing on another thread a few weeks ago and nobody commented back. Just wait if Clinton or Obama are elected overnight the ecomony will be excellent, no more pain and suffering, all will be right with the world.

LOL msh... It's been this

LOL msh...

It's been this way with the msm regarding the economy since I can remember...just seems to be in full force with the likes I've never quite seen now...all the false facts included....plus this mortgage BS...on and on... yep, it just depends who the Prez is at the time, plus if the economy isn't going well while a dem is in, they blame the previous repub Prez too...but not if the very same situation is reversed you notice....continuing soap opera.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

hey bigtimer, You and I

hey bigtimer,

You and I get it, but people like my mom get all upset. She has completely fallen for all the bs from the msm, from global warming to the economy. I try to tell her not to watch the evening news but she just loves Katie and Brian. I just want to scream sometimes.

the comparison to 2000 is "stark," Noel..

The comparison to 2000 is "stark," Noel..

Not only did the historic dot.com bubble crash, which followed the irrationally exuberant economic bubble of the late 90's, begin in March of 2000, but many critical (inc. Manufactoring) indexes were heading south all year long - right to the election, but retail gasoline prices were up about 56% in the 12 months prior to Bush taking his seat in the oval office.

The MSM's take on the economy all that election year? They kept plugging Gore on their brilliant record - even as the massive layoffs were beginning - as some $8-10 Trillion in equity was being lost, as the evidence of future budget surpluses were evaporating into thin air, and as millions of Americans would loose their retirement savings and the college fund for their children's education.

Democrats in Congress were talking about stimulous - but the MSM was looking the other way. Same cause as Cauvto is speaking of-- to assure that the Democrats stay in office.

In hindsight, even as the facts of the economic crash of the Clinton bubbles, and the rubble that left behind, lined the street, the MSM found themselves unable to listen to their own:

Dec. 11th, 2002 Hardball excerpt (Matthews w/ Gore):

MATTHEWS: Just as an observer again, I thought your campaign last time, it should have been very positive. It should almost be a bragging tour of America because we had excellent economic numbers and right through 2000, everybody was in the market and making money. The middle class was saving. The work working people were having jobs. Hispanics, highest unemployment, lowest unemployment, lowest black unemployment, lowest women’s unemployment, all the good numbers and yet your campaign had sort of a complaining character to it.

Things are wrong. They weren’t what they should be. If you do it again, would you correct that kind of tonal change?

GORE: It’s an interesting analysis. You know, the markets started down, the economy started down in March of 2000,

No, Matthews had probalby never stopped to consider that - he was too busy trying to get Gore elected in 2000. Of course there was little truth to any of Chris Matthew's commonly held fantasies, and Gore knew it, absolutely; but he, and the Clinton's, and their supporters, the MSM, continue to wallow in the hype and lies of how they want it to have been.

Bubbles. What is giveth - is taketh away. 

Fire Sale?

Stein: "They have been shouting "FIRE" in a crowded theatre now for months, quarters, I'd say probably over a year."

Given the state of declining revenues in the print media, is that anything like yelling "fire sale" at the point in time when media companies could be quietly shopping their real estate holdings in order to raise cash? Hmmm, NYT...

The media has been "talking

The media has been "talking down" the economy for far more than a year.  I can remember stories in newspapers on on network tv three years ago which essentially trashed the economy, and that was in the middle of a very strong growth period.  Most of Bush's term has been marked by strong GDP and job growth, low interest rates, inflation and unemployment, etc.   Yet, the media has been resistant to recognizing anything good about it.  Even now, we have not had even one month of negative growth, yet they are already throwing the word "Recession" around.  In truth, the msm has been rooting for a recession since Bush was elected; they do this whenever a Republican is in the White House.  Anybody over the age of 35 knows this.  They overstated the slowdown in the economy under HW Bush and helped get him tossed from office.  They overplayed the "good times" of the 90's, refusing to see any danger on the horizon during that bubble period, and helped get Billy Boy elected twice.  During Bush's term, all they see is danger on the horizon.  Anyone with half a brain who is even paying half attention can see this.

Here is one example

of a typical media "time warp".

http://www.miamihera...

 

An article about the Florida's pace of population growth slowing. Of particular interest is the following: "Census officials reported a net gain in the state's population of just
35,301 between 2006 and 2007. The figure was much lower than the
170,099 gain tabulated from 2005 to 2006 ... Smith attributes the recent departures to Florida's sagging housing
market, high cost of living and the overall economic malaise plaguing
the nation"

 

Excuse me? I don't believe ANY of those things were a problem in 2006 or 2007. So they take the current buzzwords and attempt to twist them into a historical context where they don't apply. Actually, if you read the article, the entire gist of it is "recession, doom, recession, gloom, recession"

Goebbels would be proud.

»→ I'm gettin' robbed

Those of us who have paid off our mortgages and socked away a few bucks would love to buy up some of the properties kept artificially afloat by this meddlesome government.

Instead we have to sit it out knowing to buy now is financial suicide.

♣ a seal

Charles Payne

"But, let me just cut to the real chase here: the reality is is that it's not that they're always selling negative news. They're really in this because it seems like they're trying to get a Democrat in the White House...The media wants the Democrats to win the White House."

 

I agree with Charles.The msm has been selling the recession at the expense of the average person to get a Dem in office.They dont care about what it is costing real people.These PAB's need to be sued until they cant afford to pay attention.To bad there isnt any good lawyers to bring a class action suit against theses scuts.

I'm trying to figure-out

Just how the news media can cover a coming trainwreck like this without invoking images like Yertle the Turtle. I don't think it's possible if they're going to do an honest job. Another dud, IMO.
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.