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For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: Obama to address race and Rev. Wright:

An aide to Obama, whose speech will be delivered at a historic building across from Philadelphia's Liberty Bell at 10:15 a.m. EDT (1415 GMT), said the speech will have a strong personal element. Obama worked late into the night on Sunday drafting it...Of particular concern is the uproar over comments by Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who served as the pastor at the Chicago church where the Illinois senator was a member for 20 years.

What do you expect from this speech? Will it indeed quell concerns about Obama's connection to Wright, or will this controversy doom the junior senator from Illinois's nomination?

On the flipside, is Rush Limbaugh's Operation Chaos -- wherein he's encouraging Republicans in Pennsylvania to re-register as Democrats in time to vote for Hillary in that state's primary next month -- now a mistake? Regardless of Hillary's polarizing nature, won't Obama, as a result of these Wright revelations, now be much easier for McCain to beat in November?

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Obama the Unite Rrrr.....rrrr...uhhhh..is gonna have a challenge

This Speech may require Obamarama to get down to the Details, the specifics, the Particulars, and quit circling over the issues at 40,000 feet.

"I did NOT have communion with that GD Pastor" would be a start.

Martin Luther King was a Republican, so Obama better start thinking like a Republican if he wants to UNITE.

Jtee -- Obama missed it & the media is missing it

Jaytee -- I suggest that he missed it & the media is missing it.

1. Obama can claim that he didn't hear the Rev's hate filled words, however, Michelle Obama not only heard them - she took them to heart. As an adult she was not proud of America until sometime last week, and she considers America to be a mean racist country (she should check out life under the Taliban for a Christian outspoken feminist). She is of corporate America, enjoys a lofty salary and is full of hopelessness. She carries Rev. Wright's message of hate and devisivness in her heart.

2. perhaps they didn't see the clip where the pastor is screaming in hatred, as he thrusts his hips forward, stating that Hillary would as Bill Clinton had F_____ed the blacks just as he did Monica...

Rev. Wright:  Hillary is married to Bill and Bill have been good to us? No, he ain't! Bill did us just like he did Monica Lewinsky!

Congregation:  (cheers)

Rev. Wright:  He was riding dirty!

Actually, it's not a rare statement from the black community. It was written and said a lot during and just after the Clinton era -- just was not a heck of a lot of interest from our news folks to get the information out to the voters. Shh... is the name of the game. 
 
Officially, Bill Clinton never f---ed the 37 year younger intern, a volunteer worker, who was on his staff in the office of the people in the people's house; rather he just got 10 or so bj's from her, and did the cigar thing, etc. Usually when someone publicly accuses Bill Clinton of doing something that he didn't do, other than him having a pissy tantrum (well, he does that when accused of things that he did do also) he gets the word out (via his media friends). Clinton was all over the tube yesterday - not a word. He was not asked. Why the silence?

If Rev. Wright was a white pastor and was accusing President Clinton of having had sexual intercourse with Lewinski, would not we expect the MSM (and the big cheese himself) out attacking him, calling him a liar and doing all they could to destroy the associated Republican candidate.

This reverend should be held accountable for spreading lies about the great Bill Clinton. Scene: Finger wagging in the air: "I did not have sexual intercourse with that woman. Reverend Wright is a liar."

G.H. It's a No Sale - - DOA

I never Met David Duke, yet I "rebuke" his hate and Agenda for America.

Obama today, said he cannot dis-own the GD Reverend, no more than he can Dis-own the Black Community.

See Duke comment above, I dis-own the KKK of A.   It's real easy for me . . . Duke is White and so am I, but It's easy to do.

What's the problem Obama ?  You trying to be everything to everyone....Right... 

Jtee - if Obama

Jtee - if Obama wants to be everything to me, then he could start by telling his wife to shut up and to stop spreading the Rev. Wright's message of hate and hopelessness and lack of pride in America -- and furthermore, he could promise to cut my taxes. (;~> gh

Uh-oh, another person

Uh-oh, another person involved with the Clintons has disappeared

Rog,

So I guess we just have to wait until he shows up on this list.

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Rog and R D...what is the

Rog and R D...what is the latest figure on the Clinton body count?  I may have to retract my vow not to vote for Hillary if she is the nominee.  If the Clintons are so brilliant and clever that they can dispatch that many victims and still avoid the long arm of the law, then maybe their intellectual prowess is just what we need back in the White House.

Jer

Rog - perhaps he was involved with the train station?

Rog - perhaps he was involved with the demolition of the almost soon to be recognized as a historical landmark Choctaw train station?

Historic Choctaw Train Station Was Railroaded for Clinton Library

Better pictures can be seen here, as the old structure was actually protected within an outer building: http://www.trainweb.org/choctawterminal/builders.htm

http://www.trainweb.org/choctawterminal/history.htm

How the Clinton machine operated:

Future Potential (September 2001)
Present plans call for the Choctaw freight station to be razed and the area to be used by the Clinton Presidential Library. Serious and extensive consideration should be given to preserving this structure, incorporating it with the Choctaw passenger station to create a unique asset for the presidential library grounds. The two-story office portion of the building readily lends itself to usage as offices or research areas, while the large open space of the former warehouse area could become a public meeting area, an adjunct to the Farmer's Market, a food court, or any number of other uses.

November 21, 2001 postscript: On the day before Thanksgiving, demolition crews moved onto the former May Supply Company site, quickly demolishing the old Choctaw freight station in the center of the complex at the same time that the Friends of the Choctaw Terminal were in court attempting to secure a restraining order to block the demolition.

On destroying an art form and the work of recently freed black slaves over 100 years ago:

The Workers
Perhaps the true artists involved in the construction of the Choctaw freight station were the trades workers, particularly the brick layers and stone masons who actually executed the designs of the architects and engineers. Many of these craftsmen, their individual identities now lost with the passage of time, were African-American. The older members of this group were 'freed men,' former slaves, according to various WPA Federal Writer's Project interviews conducted in the mid-1930s.

Their obvious pride in workmanship is evident upon detailed examination of the brick and stonework. Note the extremely thin mortar joints in the quoins bordering the main entry, and the perfect placement and thin mortar around the voussoirs, the wedge shaped bricks which were hand trimmed to construct the true arches over windows and doorways. Today, even when a keystone is present, arches are formed in a much more crude design using same-size brick with large, irregular mortar joints to compensate for proper arch curvature. Brickwork of the calibre seen on the Choctaw freight station, combined with the premium quality of brick used, is a now a vanished art form.

 

Did the MSM care?

Obama Always Has Been Unqualified

"...won't Obama...now be much easier for McCain to beat..."

Obama always has been the easier candidate to beat in the general election. It has simply been well hidden by all the hoopla surounding "the first black with a chance." The Wright diatribes do make it a little more obvious to the middle roaders that he is unqualified to be President, and make the reporters work a little harder to try to make him palatable to the country.

V/R
Clyde  

 

"...the aspirants to tyranny are either the...men of the state, who in democracies are demagogues,... or those who hold great offices, and have a long tenure.." - Aristotle, Politics, c350BC

Warrantless Wiretapping's TRUE Danger

Julian Sanchez is right, the problem is that political surveilance is irresistable, and history proves it.
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

So help me along with this.

So help me along with this. "Warrantless wire taps" as they apply to FISA are about listening in on suspected terrorists overseas. And since many of those calls, and e-mails, end up being routed through the US, even though both parties are overseas, there has to be court oversight. And of course, if a suspected terrorist is talking to someone here in the States, it becomes even more important to know what is going on.

We know that most of the data mining is done by computers, that search for key words and phrases. There are just too many communications to have a human trying to hear them all.

And, as of yet, no one has been able to credibly prove they have been falsely targeted.

So are you saying that America should be deaf, dumb, and blind, because libertarians are afraid that someone will hear them and Uncle Charlie talking about the baseball game? Or them talking to their dealer about a dime bag?

I just want to understand the thought process.

Nobody said America should be deaf, dumb, or blind.

I just don't trust this executive branch, or the next one, to use unlimited wiretapping powers in a solely non-political, anti-terror, way, because history says they haven't and they won't. Same as Sanchez said. That's not the same as the strawman-words you're trying to put in libertarians' mouths -- not by a long shot... "Go get a warrant" isn't too much to ask, if they really need one, and it's the right question for the Judicial Branch to ask when-not-if they don't.
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

Admit It: It's About the Dime Bag!

Julian Sanchez is full of crap, as evidenced by his comment on Nixon.

I'll bet you don't have a clue as to what Watergate was really about.

What did he say about Tricky

To get your panties in a knot today?? The party about Tricky Dick seems factual & historical, to me, but I'm sure you can cite something that proves he's "full of crap" regarding Tricky and you just forgot.
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

Ignorance Is Bliss

Like I said before:
I'll bet you don't have a clue as to what Watergate was really about.

No answer, whatsoever

You lose, again. Watergate was about the Dems and Tricky taking crooked money from the same guy. Read "Citizen Hughes."
JMR

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You're Sooooo Wrong Again!

Watergate was about the Dems and Tricky taking crooked money from the same guy. Read "Citizen Hughes."

Wrong book. Read Silent Coup.

I'll consider it, but you have YET to answer me

How, exactly, is he "full of crap" about Tricky Dick??? Answer, for once, please.
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

Yes -- He's Full of Crap

From the article:

Few presidents were quite as brazen as Nixon, whom the Church Committee found had "authorized a program of wiretaps which produced for the White House purely political or personal information unrelated to national security.

The hyper-partisan Church Commission is not a credible source to cite when evaluating intelligence practices or Richard Nixon.

You're saying it's "hyper partisan"

Doesn't change the fact that the same Tricky Dick you now defend (who was also a bit of a racial/religious bigot from those tapes -- ironies -- or are they double-standards? -- abound with you!) was imperial and, well, Nixonian in his pursuit of political ends. Someone's full of crap regarding Tricky, but as usual it's you, not Sanchez.
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

Again -- No Specifics

You can duck and dance and weave by dumping on Nixon (a particularly easy target), but you can't change the fact that Sanchez made an unsupported claim. Unless, of course, you believe the work of the Church Commission valid.

It's up to you

To disprove the Church Commission. With specifics (go form your own investigation, I guess). You've so far failed. As usual.
JMR

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Repeating History

There were two purposes for the Church Commission:

1) Cause maximum embarrassment and damage to the Republican Party.

2) Cause maximum damage U.S. intelligence agencies.

Wait until Hillary is president with a majority in both houses of congress. We'll have another Church Commission, devastating our intelligence gathering capabilities. The Democrats will put up dozens of walls, each higher than the one built by Jamie Gorelick.

And if Hillary really wants listen in on someone, she'll break every law in the book to do it. We all know the law means nothing to the Clintons.

In the past, enthusiasm for

In the past, enthusiasm for laws such as this is largely determined by two factors:  1.) the party in control of the executive branch and 2.) the party in control of Congress.

In the mid-90's, Republicans were primarily responsible for blocking and/or stalling Clinton's anti-terrorism measures.

Also, Gorelick was not responsible for building any new walls between intelligence agencies.  She did attempt to clarify what was already in existence.  The Bush administration continued to observe and rely upon that clarification.

Jer

Sarc: I will support

Sarc:

I will support your "Just get a warrent" position if you will support mine.

That being - appoint and officially swear in all 35G O-3's as judges in the Fisa court. 

Huh??

Who ARE these proposed judges? And I don't screen 'em, the Senate does, so the provision's irrelevant. The constitution you swore to uphold doesn't mention military jargon entities, and it does mention warrants, for a reason. Plus I'm told ("proof" coming shortly, I assume) Julian Sanchez is "full of crap" about Tricky Dick...
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

Who are these

Who are these judges?

Do you mean who currently makes up the FISA Court/

Or are you discussing my proposition to appoint all 35G O-3's to the judiciary?

The constitution you swore to uphold doesn't mention military jargon entities,

So, there is no prohibition in appointing all 35G of a certain rank to the FISA Court, right?  I mean, the constitution simply states that judges be appointed, not who should be appointed, right?

No constitutional prohibition

But still Senate confirmation. And under FISA you can get a warrant after the fact. The important part is to get them on record getting the warrant, so if later it's political (as history proves such a power always might-be abused, absent constant oversight) the political corruption can be tracked. Imagine a vengeful Hillary with the exact same powers you now advocate for the Executive Branch. (I kept saying this, without intellectual effect, to Democrats as partisan as you during the Clinton administration.)
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

Another Nutty Idea

Okay -- let's get your position straight.

You would require a warrant to listen in on an Israeli talking to an Australian.

Right?

Why?

Read the article

You're trying to get by with just the strawman...Dud. Again.
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

Run Away -- Again

I just want to know your position.

Do you believe The Constitution requires a warrant for a U.S. intelligence agency to listen in on an Israeli talking to an Australian?

What do you think?

P.S. -- the answer isn't in the article.

The article correctly states

That history says widespread surveilance powers WILL be politically abused. Thus, like it or not, the answer is in the article. Does your specific case require a warrant? No, I don't think so. Does the electronic equivalent of a gill-net, which WON'T just get the damfurriners, require one? Yeah, I'd say it does. I don't "run away," and everyone here who's seen me take you & others on toe to toe knows you're full of it if you try to claim I do.

And speaking of running away, once-again, like Democrats in the '90s, your side is running away from my "imagine a vindictive Hillary with the powers you now advocate" statement, because it's just as inconveniently-true for you now as it was for them then.
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

MARK THIS DAY!!!!!

You actually answered a question! But then you had to ruin it by trying to muddy things up.

My question wasn't about an elctronic "gill net".

We actually do have information on specific individuals and specifically target their communications.

Do you still think it would be constitutional for a U.S. intelligence agency to listen on a targeted Israeli talking to a targeted Australian if both of them were outside of the U.S., but their communication was routed through facilities inside the U.S.?

These are the kinds of specific questions that have to be addressed when dealing with proposed changes to FISA. And Sanchez doesn't address them.

Since the senate already

Since the senate already appoints the 35G's the point is moot.

Since the judiciary is already hyper politicized (Being selected strictly from members of the hyper politiciized "Legal Caste" how could it not be.)

You want oversight?  How about appointing all 35G O-4's the FISA appeals court?  That should do better than what we currently have.

No, it's not.

Is a "35G" a lifetime appointment mentioned in the Constitution? I didn't think so. And from what I've heard, FISA is about as close as the Federal Judiciary has ever come to a rubber stamp, anyway. I know that under Clinton you could count denials among 1000s of warrant requests on one hand, and it's probably a similar ratio today. What do you want changed about it??
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

It Only Takes One Time

Back in August of 2001 a certain FBI agent repeatedly tried to get permission from the FISA court to examine the contents of a certain laptop. The FISA court said no.

What was in that laptop? The plans for 9/11.

There was no rubber stamp by FISA that time.

Yep, I still hold my

Yep, I still hold my appointement as a 35D.  I will after I enter the "Retired Reserve" and will until the day I die.  Is it mentioned in the consitution?  Yep, see section 8.

What do I want changed about it?  I want the option to get the warrent granted in real time as the collection is ongoing by a person trained in the art on the scene. 

In order to do this we will need to appoint vast new numbers of the court to operate 24 hours approriately and there fore we will use the approrirate people trained for the task.

Currently, member of the FISA court do not do any of that.

Here's the problem with

Here's the problem with "get a warrant". By the time you jump through the hoops, it will be irrelevant. Plus, the way it would work, is you would have to get a warrant for both the caller, and the one he is calling. It doesn't work. It's too slow.

The original FISA laws were written before everyone on the planet had a cell phone, and a PC. The FISA law never foresaw the world's communications being routed through America. As you know, no warrant is required to surveil two parties who are not in the US. However, the fact their calls are routed through America changes that. It's as if they were both standing on American soil.

Now unless I'm wrong (and everyone will tell me if I am) even though the "warrantless wire taps" can happen, they are still subject to FISA court review.

I know everything can be abused. Even the most honorable of people can suffer lapses in judgment. But it is foolish to destroy a system that has worked well, caught terrorists, and kept America safe. And as of yet, has not had a provable case of abuse.

Had we been aggressively using FISA, during the Clinton years, 9/11 might have been prevented.

You bring up Nixon. Well, there is a lot more to the story. But, if we take it at face value, Nixon paid the price. He was forced to resign. For a long time he was shunned. That's not inconsequential. And, Jerry Ford was even tainted, because he pardoned Nixon. So, there was a "check and balance" that came into play.

On could even go back to J Edgar Hoover, who it seemed had an FBI file on everyone. Just how legal was that? And he didn't need FISA to do this stuff!

I guess my point is this. If someone is gonna abuse a system. If someone is gonna be dirty, no law on the books will stop them. They will figure out a way. So why make an entire Nation vulnerable to terrorist attack, over some theoretical situation, that has not happened.

We are blessed to live in a country that grants so many rights to it's citizens. The American experiment changed the world, and is still the most successful form of government there is. But it would be fool hearted to let this theoretical argument sink this experiment. While our freedoms are sacred, none of them matter, if we are not safe.

But as I said

Under FISA, you've ALWAYS been able to "get a warrant" after the fact. I want the court review you claim they're subject to, but the administration has been fighting. I'd prefer more-proactive "checks and balances" than Tricky Dick got, thanks. That hurt this nation, whether partisan Republicans like admitting it or not. No excuses for criminality (which did, like it or not, involve suitcases of cash to both Tricky and "the Happy Warrior" from Howard Hughes, IMO).

And this fight for Executive Branch power predates the Bush admininstration. As I mentioned to a less-mature poster, Democrats said very similar things (right down to the BS drug accusations as a first line of offense attempting to substitute for "argument") under the last Democrat President, so I'm somewhat used to these arguments via deja-vu.
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

Wrong Again


Under FISA, you've ALWAYS been able to "get a warrant" after the fact.

Really?

Ask Colleen Rowley.

I've been wire tiapped

and I can't prove it - and that goes for everyone I know, have met and will meet in the future, and we all ask the same question, how have we been affected, personally, professionally, and how much have we lost, monitarily, etc.?

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

Not the point -- see article

You're not politically interesting enough to be affected. The article's conclusion (which I'd wager few here got-to...) fits here:

Your personal phone calls and e-mails may be of limited interest to the
spymasters of Langley and Ft. Meade. But if you think an executive
branch unchecked by courts won't turn its "national security"
surveillance powers to political ends -- well, it would be a first.

It's hard to measure freedom, but we seem to be losing a bit of it by ignoring our own Bill of Rights. Once again, my life-experience of the '90s with Clinton's defenders causes me to await the differing tune from my conservative friends the millisecond a Democrat takes power.
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

Too little, Too late

Sorry, Barry, but too little, too late.

This "Reverend" is going to be a granite block around your neck for the rest of the campaign.  Those of us who think you are a complete and utter fraud will not let you weasel your way around this one.  Ever.

Further, your halo of inevitability and inpenetrability are now officially gone.  You are simply a tired, old-school, race-baiting huckster, a typical leftist pol, a snake-oil salesman for the aggrievances of losers, and the only people who have your back are the people of the pews in that abomination of a church, and the leftist media. 

Having said all that, given the wide distribution and penetration of the drive-by media, and the vacuousness of the general public, I STILL will not be surprised if he somehow pulls it off, much to my chagrin.  It is the "audacity" of hope, after all. 

 

Trial lawyers are the scum of the earth

Obama's fundamental problem

Obama's fundamental problem has always been Kerry and algore...

Those guys were way more qualified and they couldn't even win...

So what can Obama do about that - MSM spin? Great speeches? Flashy ads...?

That's what Kerry and Gore tried...

I really don't think we will need "operation chaos" or the Rev. Wright - they may even help Obama's cause if we're not careful...

Al Sharpton and Fox News

Does anyone know why Al Sharpton is the most frequent guess on Fox News these days, and why Fox News thinks this man's brand of racism is meaningful in the discussion of Obama or anything else?

What a windbag. And, he is very dismissive of any opinions contrary to his own. He doesn't allow a discussion to take place -- only his own dogma statements. I, for one, am tired of hearing his voice.

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I was asking about the same thing.....

....with regard to Hannity always having him on.  Reverend Al must have pics of Hannity with McGreevey and his wife or gives him a kickback after each appearance.

There's no other way to explain it.

TnT... Having this

TnT...

Having this hypocrite on Fox regarding anything to do with Wright/Obama is outrageous...he has made his own racist remarks in the past that he has never apologized for...

It is maddening when Fox or any network puts this POS on to tell us out here in the real world anything...about anything.

Court Jester

My guess is that they know he is like a Court Jester and that by putting him on, people will see how foolish he looks.  Same with Geraldo.  Why does Fox give that moron Geraldo his own show and then allow him to appear on every other show?

What? No live chat for the message from the "messiah?"

LOL-Too bad.

And what is Al doing on FNC yet again?

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RD -- yeah. I see

RD -- yeah.

I see Sharpton so many times on Fox, I qualify as an honorary member of his Church.

Well.. till they find out I'm white.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

Jack,

LOL-I bet if you were to make a monetary contribution to Al's "church," he would still gladly take it anyway.

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I see Sharpton so many

I see Sharpton so many times on Fox...

Me too, Jack.  Hannity and O'Reilly love to portray him as the face and voice of the Democratic party.  Scares away the moderates and indies.

Jer

Jer,

LOL-It just scares me, period. :-O

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R D...Reverend Al has

R D...Reverend Al has actually toned down his act in recent years.  Still, call me cynical, but I think Fox knows exactly what it's doing.

Jer

Jer,

LOL-Well, being a bit of a cynic myself, you might have a point.

Actually, I only watch Special Report w/ Mr. Hume on that network. Its the only TV news show I can stand.

Besides, I can read much faster than crap moves on TV or video.

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True... and have you

True... and have you noticed Al is only half the Al he used to be?

He looks like he's on the Kvorkian Diet.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

Cindy Sheehan is back

Can you believe that this moonbat is defending Wright? I refuse to reconize him as a reverend. No true man of God is going to say the things he said.

If you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes.-Lewis Grizzard

Oh you go girl! Maybe

Oh you go girl!

Maybe some more of this pathetic blather will help her beat the blinky-eyed leftist leader Pelosi in Nov.

ROFLMAO...

I need a hot scalding

I need a hot scalding shower now with plenty of disinffectanct after opening that link.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

I won't matter what Obama says.

Obama can say literally say anything with his oratorial style and the MSM will lap it up. He could honestly read from the Philadelphia phone book and various "pundits" would be panting and having heart palpitations.

As far as the voting public goes in flyover country....I think the genie is out of the bottle, so to speak. Virutally no one is going to be listening to this speech - and the ones that are will be only a tiny fraction of those that heard Rev Wright.

Mitt Romney's much hyped "Mormon speech" was touted highly, but in the end, didn't really change much for his candidacy.

"women and minorities hardest hit"

MC

MC,

So, are you changing your mind about which candidate will be easier for McCain to beat? Think the Wright revelations alter the equation a bit? ns

Still not convinced, but feeling more confident.

Again, the difference I see is in the down-ballot races. With HRC at the top of the ticket, EVERY Republican in the country will be running against her, and it will likely work. I don't think Obama will have that kind of drag effect on congressional & senate races.

"women and minorities hardest hit"

Okay, so where is he? Its 10:32am

Still rehearsing, perhaps?

I will say the flags are a nice touch, though.

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Seems Obama is going on

Seems Obama is going on Clintoon time....

I'm waiting...and waiting... 

bt,

LOL-This is starting to look like a government operation.

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RD... I'm chucklin'

RD...

I'm chucklin' too...after I posted Isaw your post right above mine...talk about funny.

I also like your definition above...govt. operation indeed.

No matter what he says you can be sure the majority of the msm will be all a twitter with their kudos and talking points at the ready.

bt,

At this rate, they are going to have to order pizzas for the media people.

LOL-Maybe that's what Obama is doing.

Too bad they won't fire up a live chat for this. This is the sort of thing that is made for. 

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Hey RD... LOL...I'm glad

Hey RD...

LOL...I'm glad it is kind of slow...I'm just learing to use Firefox today, I cannot use IE anymore for this site...so I am forced to learn this program or whatever the correct term is...hope I catch on quick.

Here comes 'da man! 

Tick...tick...tick...

10:52 AM

Tick...tick...tick...

He's gettin' late-enough

To become a nominee for the "Rudy G., famously-late for no apparent reason" category.
JMR

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He's on now (11:10)

"Past discrimination explains the disparities now existing between the African American community and the Greater American Community at large".

Hey, Obama -- this disparity wouldn't have anything to do with Black attitudes, would it? Things like "don't be like Whitey"; don't be caught studying; have to learn "Ebonics"?

He's got to stop complaining about the past, and start recognizing true cause-and-affect in the current world. This is a speech that only serves to justify continued white-wash by the MSM.

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Quick Question

If Obama cares so much and so deeply for the people of Chicago, why is he giving this speech in Philadelphia?

Are you kidding me?

Is this guy comparing Obama to George Washington? Is this a joke?

yes, he did try that

Yes, not only is Barack compared to George Washington, but Abraham Lincoln of course...the most peaceful President.

Here we go...

Candance,

He is what you might call a true believer.

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Something's wrong.

And who is this clown?

The set-up man?

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Down With DST!

As I grow older, the twice yearly time manipulation known as Daylight Savings Time (DST) becomes harder and harder. My gut has always told me it was nonsense, after all conservation as a physical principle does not apply to time, and hence it cannot be 'saved,' 'stored,' 'banked,' or anything else. Lately I've been tempted to move to Arizona just to avoid such shenanigans - but my better sense always intrudes, for if you associate with a lot of old people, pretty soon you start to think you're old!

A few days ago I saw the headline of an article on DST, but only got around to reading it this morning. Shazzam! DST doesn't save energy, but instead costs more. Oh, some small saving is realized in the spring, but is more than offset (several times offset) by the excess used in the late summer/early fall. Rather than link the article, I provide one to the actual study here for your perusal. (Oops - I did both - oh well)

Down with daylight savings time! Join the crusade today! Abolish this bi-annual madness, this useless drain on energy, both electrical to run all that AC equipment, and biological that upsets my sleeping patterns. (And it upsets my stomach too, such utter foolishness!)

:o)

V/R
Clyde 

"...the aspirants to tyranny are either the...men of the state, who in democracies are demagogues,... or those who hold great offices, and have a long tenure.." - Aristotle, Politics, c350BC

Mornin' Clyde... Hey for

Mornin' Clyde...

Hey for once.... in this instance I could not agree with you more!

LOL...

A Start

"...in this instance I could not agree with you more!"

lol - Of such small beginnings are mighty alliances forged! Have a good day chasing dragons.

V/R
Clyde 

"...the aspirants to tyranny are either the...men of the state, who in democracies are demagogues,... or those who hold great offices, and have a long tenure.." - Aristotle, Politics, c350BC

Original Sin?

Slavery was original sin? What is that supposed to even mean? And his campaign is all about finishing the work of the abolitionists?

He can't say jack about Hillary making this a racial issue.

cd... He's getting into

cd...

He's getting into the meat of Wright now...and making excuses so far...okay now he said Wright is wrong, but going on to other things, now he is back to Wright, saying no matter what he says about his condemnation for his words it still won't be enough....now he is back to excuses, and if I hear Wright was a marine one more time!

I cannot wait to hear what Rush has to say.

What do I expect from it?

I expect him to brush over the fact that he KNEW what his reverend stood for despite his implying that he never heard his Pastor say thosse harsh things.

I am black and I lifelong attender of black churches. But I have never heard any black preachers spew the nonsense that 'Reverend' Wright spewed. If I did, or ever do, there is an excellent chance that I will walk right out of that church.

Here we are trying to heal racial tensions and that nut job of the cloth is flaming them. He is no more relevant than Jackson and Sharpton.

Obama becoming our next Commander in Chief would be a huge mistake.

I hate to tell Obama, but every person alive...

...has an ancestor that has been held in slavery at some point.

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Wait...

So one minute his campaign is all about finishing the abolition movement....

then 90 seconds later his campaign is not about affirmative action.

???

Oh, and PS - I NEVER hear my pastor say things I find offensive.

WOW...I cannot believe what

WOW...I cannot believe what he is saying....supporting the Trinity Church and Rev. Wright.

Unbelievable.

He is full of BS!!!

This is not going to work....period.

It will for the msm of of course...but not some voters. 

Obama wins the DEM nomination

Let's all hope that Obama wins. He is certainly providing enough fodder that many independents cannot and will not trust.

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

TIRED!

I, for one, am really tired of being accused of being "divisive" just for criticizing Barack Obama and his views.

Frankenlies.com: Al Franken debunked

Dave, not only that, but

I am getting beyond tired of being blamed for every problem that has faced mankind since before the beginning of recorded history.

And Obama has some nerve accusing others of being divisive, given what his pastor of 20 years has been on record as saying.

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We get it Obama

It's okay for someone to be hateful as long as they build daycares and homeless shelters.

Maybe if the KKK becomes

Maybe if the KKK becomes more charitable, it will be more acceptable to associate with their group, lol.

And, let's not forget, Osama himself spent money to help the poor, so maybe we've got him all wrong too. 

Nazis ...

After the Nazis purged themselves of undesirables, they seem to do plenty of good for those that lived.

Another example of the END does NOT justify the MEANS. 

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

"What do you expect from

"What do you expect from this speech?"

Gotta say, I don't expect a whole lot. What can he say that changes the fact that he has belonged to a racist, hate preaching church and has been cozying up to its racist leader for 20 years, a church he is still a member of, and pastor he still turns to, not to mention his marriage to a woman who without a doubt agrees strongly with what this pastor and his church was preaching.

Obama's double talk

Well yeah Wright said some horrible things, but America is still racist and black people have a right to be furious so you can't really blame him for what he said.

He's doing a very good job of bringing up history and surging deep-seeded anger while claiming to be above the anger.

If anyone wants to listen to

If anyone wants to listen to Glenn Beck, he's breaking down the speech piece by piece on his radio show right now. Log onto www.woai.com to listen.

marpel,

LOL-Beck's on a roll.

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duplicate

duplicate

Matthews.

Will Chris Matthews have another "thrill up his leg" after this one?

"women and minorities hardest hit"

Is Obama this dumb or is he

Is Obama this dumb or is he playing a dummy on television.

Showing his and Michelle's true colors...

This speech is outrageous...absolutely outrageous.

Blame us for his and Wright's and others sins....

Beyond pathetic...I am furious with his words, how the hell dare he!

Lord I cannot wait to see his defeat....and Hill's too...but his more-so at the moment.

He just said Wright did a good thing actually, after-all one of his members of the church got to be a candidate for the Presidency.

Friggin' unbelievable. 

Absolutely BT

Obama's just digging a deeper hole.

Victim

Many blacks with an agenda like to play the victim role.

[ For Obama, I guess he gets to be halfway victimized. ]

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

And yet, MSNBC is reporting

And yet, MSNBC is reporting a new USA Today poll says it doesn't matter -- McCain loses to both, no matter what.

Don't see how that's possible. America is not that dumb.

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oh no, Thisn That?

Bill Clinton '92, '96

TnT... IMHO the USA Today

TnT...

IMHO the USA Today poll is bogus. I firmly believe that the pollsters either called people in metropolitan areas or most of those contacted are lying.

I am NOT a McCain fan and never will be, but he will be the next president. He will not get a vote from me or people like me, so how does he win it? He will win because of racism and sexism by Democrats. Southern Democrats and Dems that live outside of metropolitan areas won't vote for the black guy and they won't vote for 'that woman'. Even though they are Dems they would rather vote for the old white guy.

The above reasons are why this poll should be ignored IMHO. 

"Abstain from McCain"

When will the IRS investigate Wright/Obama's church?

Last time I checked there was an IRS code that said something about making political comments in a tax-exempt institution like a church. When is the IRS going to pull the tax-exempt status of Obama's Trinity United Church?

ball... It is under

ball...

It is under investigation now last I heard, what the outcome will be who knows.

Rev Wright has a soup kitchen

and Mussolini kept the trains on time. The liberal argument is always that it doesn't matter what you spew into the dark or do with your right hand, as long as you do Good Works with your left.

The last I checked, he wasn't running for President of Day Care.  Furthermore, I'd like to see the books of that day care: did it make money?

 

CRAP!

What a speech! BO has laid it all out. It's YOUR FAULT WHITEY! You've never faced injustice, you've never had to struggle. Tell that to my wife's gradparents who lived in a tenement in the Bronx. The man worked 7 days a week. He did the best he could. He didn't make excuses! I'm so angry I can hardly speak! Disgusting B.S., B.S., B.S.! This is hate-speech, same as Wright!

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

Absolutely

Absolutely horrendous...pathetic, racist, blaming the white man, conservatives, talk show hosts...blah blah blah...

He may as well kiss his dreams good-bye....the audacity of his speech is breath taking...I know the msm will love it of course, but the normal man out here won't.

He stuck up for Wright and his hate preach when it comes right down to it....and himself.

I do not care how the msm spins this...which they are...Sally Quinn, Joe Watkins all saying what a great speech this is...well they are going to see in Nov. how great this maddening BS, this infuriating , racist, yes racist speech was...

Unifying they are saying this is....staggering speech they are saying...

Unifying my arse!!!! Staggering... I agree.

Obama speech in a nutshell

I only caught the last 10 mins of his speech, but this is what I heard:

1) Rev Wright was just talking about politics (We deserved 9/11?)

2) I disagree with some of his statements (Which ones?)

3) We must 'invest' in our crumbling schools (Higher taxes)

And something about a white woman who lost her job and needed food and she talked to a quiet black man at one of his campaign rallies and that they got along.

Sheesh!

MSM will love it!

Basically

Obama's message is: You're no better than The Most Racist Reverend Wright!

Correct!

I know white people, personally, who have suffered descrimination. You' re so right about the MSM, BT. Already Major Garret is out there saying it was a good speech. It was a divisive speech! Typically liberal, it put the blame squarely on the "bad" in America. He said we CANNOT separate ourselves from the past. He means slavery. The fact is that even if white Americans were to prosrate themselves in front of all the ancestors of slaves, were to "give" them money and jobs, were to NEVER forget what most white people DID (what they did NOT do), it wouldn't be enough to satisfy the likes of him. Excuses--because you are poor, you can commit crime, take drugs etc.  Liberal poppycock!

NEVER,NEVER, trust a "liberal"

isia... Plus he had the

isia...

Plus he had the audacity to blame the white man for the words and way Wright is and the hate preach he preaches.

I am furious...I am even more furious with the msm, just like I knew I would be beforehand.

These talking head idiots can wear their rose-colored glasses all they want and hope and wish this was great...not going to happen for Obama in Nov.

If this was reversed, all the words, and say a Fred Thompson said them...we would never hear the end of it!

This speech was racist, blame the white man for everything...blah blah blah...I am sick and tired of all of this...I am glad he is showing his true racist shallow colors.

I may still be furious at the moment, but in the end of all of this it is a good thing ...this POS is done at the political end of the day when it comes to Pres.

Obama is just a windbag. He

Obama is just a windbag. He drones on in the style of William Shatner playing Cpt Kirk! It's just annoying.

But the guy hasn't said anything. He's trying to weave himself into the flag, but it ain't making it. He certainly didn't distance himself from the church or The Right Reverand Wright!

What is more disturbing to me,though, is his inabillity to do interviews or take tough questions. He had many people asking him yesterday about this deal, and his answer was "tune in tomorrow". No questions after this lame speech.

How does this week a$$ed man think he can be President? No matter who you are, you will face a hostile press as President. If he can't face the press now, how can he do it as President? For that matter, how can he handle the Nation's business? Stand up to the world's bad guys?

One of the most totally inept men to ever run for this office, and that's saying something!!

GaryP... He just made one

GaryP...

He just made one of the most disgusting, despicable, divisive speeches I have ever heard from a Presidential candidate...let alone other politicians running for any office.

Period.

Just a hate filled man. His

Just a hate filled man. His true colors are coming out though. He is no better that Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson. He just puts a "calmer, kinder, gentler" face to it. But he is no different than them.

What kills me, is both he and his wife have become wildly successful in this country. They have made large sums of money, and live in a nice home. They live a better lifestyle that 90 percent of Americans, of any color. And yet, whitey is the bad guy. The Negroes are still oppressed. It's sickening.

I could go on forever on this scumbag, America hater. I think he is done though.

The Capt. Kirk analogy is

The Capt. Kirk analogy is hilarious.

I actually think John McCain sounds like Little Nicky!

Well.....you

Well.....you know.....Ididn't hear.....the sermon.

For my friends at

I have gotten to the point where I turn a deaf ear to this crap.

I am sick of being told that the "black experience" in this country has somehow been made worse by my actions.

Bull$h*t.

Immigrants have come to this country from all over the world, including Africa, and have thrived.

I'm sorry that many in the black community are having difficulties, but in this day and age, their problems are due more to the "victim" culture that exists within that community, not because of anything I did, or did not do.

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Well put! However...

I think it is important to remember that the vast majority of the forebears of blacks in this country didn't initially come here as immigrants...they were forcibly brought here as slaves. That said, I agree that to a large extent, the plight of black America today is due to the "victim" status and culture that so many in that community subscribe to.

So by this logic,  I would

So by this logic,  I would imagine you hold all of Pat Robertson's followers responsible for all the crazy things he's said.  Even Billy Graham made inflammatory remarks about the Jews and Israel.  I believe he's been forgiven. 

round and round

You never get tired of playing the same old game, do you goldbar?

You show up and say something absurd. We respond and you get pwned. You disappear from the thread. You show up the next day with the exact same argument hoping we've forgotten.

Show me footage of Pat Robertson making crude sexual jokes or using profanity in church.

Only a liberal would think that supporting Israel is akin to Wright's remarks.

 

How about threatening to

How about threatening to kill someone?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Df8dG7_L5PY&feature=related

nice try goldbar

A man accused Pat Robertson of threatening him and the police said they were not convinced it had even happened? You're comparing that to footage of someone cursing behind the pulpit?

 

And is that threat

And is that threat documented, and I dont mean in a he said/she said fashion which is what this was.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

No Dan

In fact, it was quite the opposite - police dismissed the charges because the story didn't hold up.

Goldbar is now scouring the web to find something more concrete to use against him.

Luckily for us, and

Luckily for us, and obviously not for you, most of us here at Newsbusters do not follow the word of Pat Robertson or Billy Graham.

Nice try, Douchebar, but your argument holds no water. As usual , you offer little to nothing to the discussion.

 

You may go now.

 

Douchebar! MegaLOL I

Douchebar! MegaLOL

I guess unlike gold the price of douche is dropping!

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

Jackson,  Judging by the

Jackson, 

Judging by the amount of douchebaggery on this website these days, the price of douche is low indeed!

 

what kind of weird cult is this?

I get annoyed listening to him speak.

He gets a high cadence                     thenareallyquickfinish.
                                 then a low one

Hope

BO speaks of "hope". I "hope" this speech ruins the Demos. It may cause him to lose big in Pennsylvania. Then what are they going to do?  If they override him at the convention, more trouble for them. If he gets the nomination, maybe he'll be another McGovern. "Hope" springs eternal. We can only "hope" this bigot, B.O., doesn't become president.

NEVER,NEVER, trust a "liberal"

LOL

LOL! Right on, jwf. My wife just said the same thing. He's a BLABBERMOUTH and his voice grates on you.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

JWF -- oh YES.

JWF -- oh YES.

And then there's the ever so-quiet LISTHP that occurs on the last word before the slow PAUSE. The effect is to create a God awful constant sibilance...

Grates on me like chalk on a board.

It's truly irritating listening to this second rate preacher slash huckster speak.

When did oratory slip from...

"I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat."

to...

"Yes we can...yada yada yada"

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

Cheap shots!

And did you hear those cheap shots BO took at "conservatives", as though THEY were the ones who say "God Damn America". Typical "liberal" tactic. Try to shift the blame. You can run on this one BO, but you can't hide--sorry, buddy. Face your faults. Face the black community's faults as well as those of "white" America. Stop trying to shift the blame. We're not buying the garbage you're selling. Until those like you tell the truth, America will never be united!

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

I've always found it amusing....

.....that while the GOP has Lincoln-Reagan dinners, the Dems have Jefferson-Jackson dinners.

You remember Jefferson and Jackson, the slave owner and the Indian killer.

Irony can sure be ironic, can't it?

Unimpressed

Having been the target of personal hatred, racism, and discrimination by Reverend Wright and his many parishoners, I find it deeply offensive there has been no apology offered by Revered Wright, Senator Obama, nor anyone from the Trinity United Chruch of Christ or the Obama campaign.

Obama will not disavow his relationship with Wright, a man with a hatred and raging anger against White America that is so deeply embedded in his pysche, Wright, to this day, by Obama's admission, still believes it is 1960, that America is "static". The ideals, values, and perceptions Wright preaches in his church, for the last thirty-five years, come from that place in his hate-filled soul.

Obama wants you to "understand" the man has issues and even though he has been preaching hatred of White America to his parishoners for the last thirty-five years, Obama included, remember that he doesn't realize he's living in the past, nor do the people of the church that jump to their feet and clapping their hands in agreement with his hatred.

That these parishoners of Reverend Wright, for the last thirty-five years, have taken those hate-filled words home from Sunday services and repeat them to their children and friends, and they tell two friends, and they tell two friends, and so on, and so on, and so on... for generations, thus perpetuating hatred and racism in America today.

It all boils down to Obama's heartfelt belief that:

"In the white community, the path to a more perfect union means acknowledging that what ails the African-American community does not just exist in the minds of black people; that the legacy of discrimination - and current incidents of discrimination, while less overt than in the past - are real and must be addressed. Not just with words, but with deeds – by investing in our schools and our communities; by enforcing our civil rights laws and ensuring fairness in our criminal justice system; by providing this generation with ladders of opportunity that were unavailable for previous generations. It requires all Americans to realize that your dreams do not have to come at the expense of my dreams; that investing in the health, welfare, and education of black and brown and white children will ultimately help all of America prosper."

I had expected something different, and certainly something so much more. *shrug* Obama just anotha haytah, yo. The beliefs of Obama's wife, Michelle, too, and the influence of Reverend Wright's hatred, is more than apparent in her college thesis and recently published remarks.

HEAR,HEAR!

Right on, Bond. Give a "liberal" 95% of  what he wants and he'll do nothing but complain about the other 5%. People like BO will never be satisfied. And, as I've been saying for weeks, BO and his wife are brainwashed young people who see the world in hate-filled terms drummed into their psyches by "liberal" "preachers" and "teachers". They are the product of at least 40 years of "liberal" indoctination in America.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

It's that D### upper 5% again...

"...a corporate culture rife with inside dealing, questionable accounting practices, and short-term greed; a Washington dominated by lobbyists and special interests; economic policies that favor the few over the many." BHO

...so ALL corporate America is rife with inside dealing?; ALL American companies have questionable accounting practices?; ALL of Washington is dominated by lobbyists and special interests? ...concluding that of course the damn upper 5% ("the few over the many") gets all the breaks!

btw: would OBH and wife with their combined incomes be in that upper 5%? hmmm...

v

Reverend Wright... The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another. - OHB

Well said, Bond. In the

Well said, Bond.

In the grand scheme of things,people like Wright have done nothing positive for the "black community" in the city of Chicago. If after all the years he's been preaching and teaching at TUCofC folks on the South side are still dealing with gangs, drugs, and murders, where is the progress? People like Wright only serve to inflame those in the community who already feel helpless and hopeless. And it isn't going to get any better until more leaders teach empowerment based on personal responsibility, education, and hard work, instead of telling young people that their future is ultimately in the hands of others and that many of those others hate them.

I am Queen Mum and I approved this message.

Obama

Obama's speech was very clever.

The issues regarding Wright have to do with his rantings over anti-America and anti-Israel - - -  neither were directly addressed.

Instead he attempted to shift the focus to race relations and the old argument of blaming White America for all of Black America's problems.

I believe he did not do enough to get his campaign back on track and more issues will arise. If he does become the nominee this will be a historic McCain landslide.

Happy birthday, Fast

Happy birthday, Fast Ed!!!

 

Today's speech did more to set back race than anything in the la

Today's speech did more to set back race than anything in the last 14 years-only OJ did close to the same.  We now know that churches are spewing hatred of America, hatred of the white man, hatred of corp America, etc.  The candidate of UNITY has now shattered the fragile layer of race relations by never totally distancing himself from words of pure hatred.  His statement of not agreeing is too simple.  If you stay in a room full of fleas, you are not able to keep all the fleas off!  When you continue in an environment that does not change, it changes you, you do not change it.  Really what he said just reiterates some of what Repubs have said for years-programs to make things better do not work.  We the people believe it is people that make things work, not government!  He spouts about how the blacks and lower class whites have been put down by the rich-this is hatred speech.  Some blacks and whites have rose to monetary status because they did not believe they were to be kept by the government, but that they could, with the will of GOD and their own hard work, succeed!  He talked of lines in the emergency rooms of hospitals of people without insurance.  They don't have it because they won't pay for it!  Not because it isn't available!  He brings up Dr King, well, to borrow from someone else, BHO you are no MLK!  And what did the ASHLEY story have to do with anything.  14 years ago, let's see, Bill Clinton in WH.  Poor Ashley's mother had cancer[I'm sorry for her and her family], and he says she lost her job because she missed work and lost her health care.  Well if she had health care, it would continue under Cobra for a certain period of time.  Ashley ate relish and mustard sandwiches.  Did not any church know of Ashley and her mom's fate.  My church helps those in need.  It's supposed to be a story to inspire, but I read a sign recently that said, "Aspire to inspire before you expire!".  Good words to go by.  The Ashley story has too many missing components.  I've love to know more, know why no one helped in her neighborhood, church, etc.  To finish his story he says the elderly black man says only "I'm here because of Ashley", but never really explains it-was it because she went to his home and said come out, or was it because she related the story to him, or just what?  The speech was void of any real substance.  That's one man's opinion!    

Right on PawpawN

Excellent analysis!

Just had to get it off my chest!

It all built up & I just had to let it out!  More later when cooled down!

"Divided We Fail.org"...

http://www.aarp.org/...

...anyone else seen this yet? Comments?

v

The future has a way of arriving unannounced. - George Will

vrcw13,

I hate to tell those folks over at the aaLrp, but increasing the involvement of government in our healthcare system is only going to make it worse.

Government involvment is the reason health costs are out of control as it is.

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No matter what you give,

No matter what you give, that bloated, phoney-baloney AARP wants more. They were the loudest voice against the prescription drug give-away. "Costs too much". "Doesn't cover enough". "We're forcing our citizens to drive to Canada".

 And yet, they charge an annual fee, try to sell you all sorts of things at high prices, and then try to justify it by saying "Look at all the discounts you get -- FROM OTHERS -- just show your AARP card".

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Sarcasmo won't like McCain's daughter Meghan

From an interview in GQ:

Meghan confesses that her real love life hasn't been especially active
lately. She's gone on only one official date since her dad's campaign
began, but she bowed out early with a "headache." Then there was also
the rumor that she'd been seen with--horrors--a Ron Paul supporter.

"That
has been blown out of proportion in every way!" she exclaims. "What
happened is that I dropped my coffee and he helped me with it and was
like, 'Do you want to go to Baja Fresh?'... Not that I would be against
dating a Ron Paul supporter, but he turned out to be very strange. He
collected Barbie dolls. I called my girlfriends after and was like,
'That's weird, right?' "

McCain's daughter is a

McCain's daughter is a Hooter's waitress?

 

McCain's daughter has to

McCain's daughter has to ask her girlfriends whether or not a guy collecting Barbie dolls is weird?

Jer

»→ No Jer

She called her friends to share a good laugh about the wimp she met.

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Oh..."That's weird, right?"

Oh..."That's weird, right?" appeared to be an inquiry.  Thanks for the correction.  Should you also admonish Rog for offering a humorous take on the story?

Jer

I've got to hand it to him...

Obama knows how to give a speech...But...Flowery, lofty rhetoric doesn't change the fact that he didn't explain why he hasn't distanced himself before now from Wright and his hate speech. Obama admitted that he had been present when some of these objectionable things have been said, and yet he never saw fit to challenge Wright on them. He then goes on to say that he won't "disown" Wright for saying these things and believing what he believes. Well, like it or not, we are judged by who we associate ourselves with, and Obama is justly being judged by his association with this racist, hateful man. Barak Obama wants to be president, and who he has been influenced by does matter. Wright has obviously been a tremendous influence on Obama, and that matters.

Obama tried to explain why Wright feels the way he feels...those in his generation had it tough, from a racial perspective. While that may be true, I don't particularly care why Wright feels the way he feels. This is similar to the logic and rationale that some have used in regard to the terrorists..."They have been so oppressed...we in America just don't understand why they want to kill us and fly planes into our buildings." Obama wants us, particularly whites, using a similar rationale, to understand the "black experience", and why people like Wright feel the way they do. I don't discount what blacks in this country have historically had to contend with concerning racial issues. But, hateful race baiters like Wright are not helping fix the problem...they are part of the problem. Barak Obama's close association with this man rightfully calls into question his own beliefs and perceptions on race and America.

Obama has done it! I

Obama has done it! I thought the Clintons had done it, untill I read his speech. That is the biggest load of clap-trap I have ever heard. There is so many things in that trash, or omitted from his little talk, I dont know where to start!

The bottom line is, racism and hate is deeply ingrained in this one.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

So annoying

You know what annoys me to no end? Liberals love to blab their mouths about things but then as soon as you prove them wrong, they drop the subject and disappear.

»→ Idol Chat

The first two contestants were losers

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Archuleta hit it out of the

Archuleta hit it out of the park again. I think the Aussie could be really good, but he keeps missing.

»→ A Day In The Life

That was a stupid song to pick.

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Yeah, stupid to try and take

Yeah, stupid to try and take a song that long and complicated and condense it, esp. when there are SO MANY great songs to choose from.

»→ Blackbird

I'm watching on DVR.  This better be good.

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Simon seems to be really

Simon seems to be really concerned that everyone he complimented last week is going to get too big a head, 'cause he's shooting them all down this week, saying the Irish chick's song choice was "indulgent," telling the rocker that he "wasn't as good as you think you were."

»→ Jason Castro

"Michelle" was the most mechanical version I've ever heard.

Only two decent performances so far.  Now somebody's going to butcher "Yesterday"  I just know it.

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»→ Yesterday

Never mind, that girl just hit it out of the park.

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Yeah I thought that was

Yeah I thought that was really good. Chikezie, however...blah.

I'll never understand Jason

I'll never understand Jason Castro. I think he's the most boring contestant.

»→ One word bal

Sanjaya

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I hear ya'. I think they

I hear ya'. I think they pick the WORST songs for the most part. Rocker should have done For the Benefit of Mr. Kite!

»→ The Rocker

The rocker guy was good.  One of only two tonight so far.

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Sorry, all....

I am waaaay late, and not even up on anything (at all) today....but is Obambi's speech even relevant? 

 Does this put him behind?

Or ahead?

And what about Florida's delegates?

Is anyone else watching Fox?  The media maven, the dial-up pollster, is saying Obama is toast.

Does anyone else find this to be totally inane?

Ta ta toasty Barry.

 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Evenin' Blonde.

Yeah, looks as though the "messiah" pretty much crucified himself today. Too bad, really, as he was driving the Broom Pilot right up the wall.

So, are the dem voters in Florida rioting yet? Personally, I think they got hosed by their state party leaders.

Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!

R D,

I have no clue, about most of it....

But, listening to the local radio...the dems are FURIOUS.

They're, for the most part, voting for McCain.

I'm not sure how that accrues to the right side...but itis kind of funny. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Blonde... "But, listening

Blonde...

"But, listening to the local radio...the dems are FURIOUS.

They're, for the most part, voting for McCain."

A little horn tootin' is in order.

I've been trying to tell people this for the past two weeks. McCain is gonna win by a landslide, and it won't have anything to do with my vote. The Southern Dems and Dems that live outside of metropolitan areas will NOT vote for the black guy or 'that woman'. Besides, most Dems look at McCain as one of them.

 "Abstain from McCain"

R.I.P. Arthur C. Clarke

Science [fiction] visionary Arthur C. Clarke died today at age 90. Rest in peace my friend. You will be missed.

V/R
Clyde 

"...the aspirants to tyranny are either the...men of the state, who in democracies are demagogues,... or those who hold great offices, and have a long tenure.." - Aristotle, Politics, c350BC

Damn that climat change.

Actually, it appears to be Mexico's fault.