For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: Is Geraldine Ferraro right about Barack Obama (paragraph break removed):
Clinton campaign finance committee member, former vice presidential candidate, and former Rep. Geraldine Ferraro, D-NY, told the Daily Breeze of Torrance, Ca., that, "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept." Of Clinton, Ferraro said that the press "has been uniquely hard on her. It's been a very sexist media. Some just don't like her. The others have gotten caught up in the Obama campaign."
Is Ferraro right? On the other hand, are these rather racist comments that only a Democrat could say without evoking massive media outrage? Could a McCain supporter make such statements without being required to apologize and/or resign?
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March 11, 2008 - 08:27 ET by Roger the ShrubberAnd now, today's Prostitute-Free Edition of The Shrub Report®:
Noel, great job on Glenn Beck's show last night!
Gas hit $109 today. How will our leaders in Congress react? With silence, of course.
Your Picture of the Day.
Your Idiots of the Day: There is some sort of poetic justice here, isn't there?
Your Idiots of the Day, Part Duh. You have to seriously wonder about school boards…
Your latest Mother of the Year nominee..
Your latest Judge of the Year nominee.
Democrat(ic)s in Congress are disappointed.
I am humored by the shock and alarm shown here at Newsbusters yesterday over this non-story. Give me a break.
On this date in 1970, Crosby, Stills, and Nash win "Best New Artist" Grammy. It's not too shabby beating out Chicago, but Led Zeppelin, too? Come on, Led Zep? Two years later, Neil Young's great "Harvest" tops the album charts.
Small wonder mental giants like Leon believe Al-Qaeda is not a major presence in Iraq if he gets his news from places like here… Even CBS News knows better. Even Al-Qaeda knows better. Meanwhile, good news like this get ignored.
Feminazis demand all capital letters be banned because they remind them of erect penises. Oh, the horror!
Mental midgets are still donating money to the Ronulan campaign. I await the inevitable incoherent cries of "whiner!" from NB's resident (small l)ibertarian/crybaby/liar.
Oil is the cause of the oppression of women in the ME. Huh?
So long and thanks for all the fish: Douglas Adams would have been 56 today. Williams Rosecrans died on this date in 1898. Rosecrans was a decent Union general, but will always be remembered as the general who got his butt kicked by Bragg and Longstreet at Chickamauga.
Speaking of Islam (I am a bigot after all, right, Tumbles?), this Dallas Imam had a perfect opportunity to speak out against honor-killing, but, no, it was not meant to be…
And, finally, Bloomberg sues over 9-11.
Rog,
March 11, 2008 - 08:43 ET by R D HelmWow, I didn't realize Wee Willy had been secretly appointing judges in the Netherlands.
That was unbleievable.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
Wow... that erect penis thing is too funny...
March 11, 2008 - 08:45 ET by AJSHOPEI literally can't stop laughing. That's incredible. A capital w (W) reminds them of an erect penis? Man, if they dated or were married to someone who had a W looking penis, no wonder they became feminists.
Another reason to hate
March 11, 2008 - 09:13 ET by Roger the ShrubberAnother reason to hate George Bush, right?
Rog, andother "missed story"
March 11, 2008 - 09:38 ET by FastEdWhere are the woman's groups demanding equal time, or are they reall that hateful of the military?
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
New Artist Grammy
March 11, 2008 - 09:52 ET by Hero SquadIt's hard to believe those bands were ever "new." Although CSN were hardly new to the scene in 1970. It'd be like the Traveling Wilburys winning best new artist in 1989.
The "New Artist" Grammy is about the most misguided of them all:
1977: Starland Vocal Band over Boston
1978: Debbie Boone over... does it even matter?
1979: A Taste of Honey over Elvis Costello & The Cars
1980: Rickie Lee Jones over Dire Straits, The Blues Brothers, The Knack and... Robin Williams?
1965: The Beatles over Petula Clark... OK, that one they got correct.
Need I even bring up Milli Vanilli in 1990.
*****
"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
Beautiful work, HS!
March 11, 2008 - 09:56 ET by Roger the ShrubberDon't even get me started on Jethro Tull's 1989's "Best Hard Rock/Metal" Grammy, beating out one of the greatest metal records of all-time: Metallica's "...And Justice For All".
If I remember correctly, when Metallica's Black Album won a Grammy a few years later, I think it was Lars who thanked Jethro Tull for not putting an album out that year...
Yeah, I'm a Jethro Tull
March 11, 2008 - 13:18 ET by Hero SquadYeah, I'm a Jethro Tull fan, and couldn't understand why they were nominated in that category.
Maybe if Metallica had had more flute on the record...
*****
"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
Thx for making me laugh out
March 11, 2008 - 13:22 ET by Roger the ShrubberThx for making me laugh out loud, HS. My employees were staring...
Last track of the album
March 11, 2008 - 21:45 ET by red_dragon311Last track of the album (Dires Eve).........Best Metallica song EVER
I was a professional twice over - an analyst and a therapist. The world's first analrapist
great stuff as usual
March 11, 2008 - 10:31 ET by TruthMongergreat stuff as usual rog
Muslims do suck and they are all truly evil
got anything on the Mormon's? Ever since Romney dropped out it's been slim pickens
Your post makes no sense.
March 11, 2008 - 11:53 ET by Roger the ShrubberYour post makes no sense. Did the Mormons become bloodthirsty savages overnight? You actually brought up Mormons because, as we already know, you have NO DEFENSE, Tumbles.
Should the Mormons start butchering innocent men, women, and children on a daily basis, you bet I'd be exposing this to everybody I know. but, alas, as it stands, only the "Religion of Peace" seems intent on subjugating or murdering all who oppose them.
You are just as bad as the scumiest of the scum of your religion, since you are the mouthpiece, the propaganda wing, who obfuscates and LIES about the truth. That is why you are such a douchebag. At least I can show proof when I accuse someone of something. Too bad you cannot with your "bigot" accusation.
You have five assignments, should you choose to accept them:
1. Expose my bigotry
2. Expose the evil atrocities of those damn Mormons
3. Expand past the Mormons. Why not expose those damn Menonities? You just know there's a "Children of the Corn" atrocity hidden somewhere in their past...
We will all *yawn* be waiting excitedly for your responses.
Roger
March 11, 2008 - 12:00 ET by candanceIn a recent debate about protecting Islam from criticism, our dear friend Truthie compared American soldiers to children sacrificed on an altar.
There is no line he won't cross and no logic too twisted for him to defend Islam.
Gosh...
March 11, 2008 - 14:40 ET by SyriusCandance & Rog,
...For once, I'm in full agreement with both of you. Wow!
Syrius
"...the dire consequences to society when people begin to believe that by
renaming someone to erase their humanity opens the door to the
devaluation of everyone's life..."-dscott
Who knew Islam could be a
March 11, 2008 - 16:06 ET by Roger the ShrubberWho knew Islam could be a uniter, not a divider!
the desperation here is
March 11, 2008 - 17:19 ET by TruthMongerthe desperation here truly is astounding isn't it:)?
http://newsbusters.org/forums/woodshed/nbs-very-own-bigot-17719
Once again, the stuff you
March 11, 2008 - 19:31 ET by Roger the ShrubberOnce again, the stuff you write has nothing to do with the topic at hand NOR you proving I am a bigot, like you accuse.
What is it with you dumbasses (Truthie, Sarky)? Do not make an accusation unless you can back it up. It's pretty simple. Neither one of you have been able to, so, as far as I am concerned, you are douchebags non grata.
Welcome to your new home in Loserville: population 2.
All I said is that you melted down when I mentioned Ted Stevens.
March 12, 2008 - 08:10 ET by sarcasmoYou've since melted down again, and this time I've saved the URL. I've told no lies whatsoever about you, because you DO want and like a bigger government than I do. Like it or not and admit it or not, I've simply told the truth you'd rather deny or melt down about, instead, and accuse all you want, you can't find any lies. Deal with it, Whiner, you lose.
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
Boy, your definition of a
March 12, 2008 - 08:51 ET by Roger the ShrubberBoy, your definition of a "meltdown" must be different from the rest of us, Sarky. I think I handled myself rather well. I did not flip out, put an out-of-line staff writer back into place, and was coherent the entire time (unlike your drunked stupor posts after your God choked).
Once again, you have no proof of your allegations, douchebag non grata.
As for "wanting a bigger government thatn you do", you are probabyl correct. Your (little l)ibertarian side of you wants almost ZERO government, while my (big R)epublican side wants SOME government. SOME government is not the same as BIG government. Prove me wrong, douchebag. You have had a month so far.
Your behavior is becoming rather embarrassing, Paulbot.
No, you have no allegations.
March 12, 2008 - 08:56 ET by sarcasmoA "meltdown" is clearly a matter of opinion, as you proved by melting down the other day. And advocating levels of government equalling Slick Willie's last year is hardly "almost ZERO government" in any sane depiction of reality. Far from it, Whiner, and proving you wrong has been easy since your initial meltdown. Warner handled you effectively, too, and it was fun to watch you prove that you melt down regularly.
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
Another lucid moment by the
March 12, 2008 - 09:36 ET by Roger the ShrubberAnother lucid moment by the douchebag non grata.
Are you getting me confused with other people again, or are you projecting some personal issues onto me? This is VERY embarrasing for you. I am almost beginning to feel guilty laughing at you.
Almost.
I stand by all my words.
March 12, 2008 - 09:39 ET by sarcasmoAs usual.
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
Well, I would guess nobody
March 12, 2008 - 10:02 ET by Roger the ShrubberWell, I would guess nobody here ever accused you of being the most intelligent lad out there, so your response is hardly suprising.
LOL Roger
March 11, 2008 - 11:01 ET by candanceDouglas Adams finally gave us all an answer for the meaning of life....
*sigh*
There will never be another.
Right on...
March 11, 2008 - 14:56 ET by SyriusC,
You are so right, Candance and a special thank you to Rog for remembering Doug Adams.
Here's a great passage from one of his great interviews...
"And I thought and thought and
thought. But I just did not have enough to go on, so I didn’t really
come to any resolution. I was extremely doubtful about the idea of god,
but I just didn’t know enough about anything to have a good working
model of any other explanation for, well, life, the universe and
everything to put in its place. But I kept at it, and I kept reading
and I kept thinking. Sometime around my early thirties I stumbled upon
evolutionary biology, particularly in the form of Richard Dawkins’s
books The Selfish Gene and then The Blind Watchmaker and suddenly (on, I think the second reading of The Selfish Gene)
it all fell into place. It was a concept of such stunning simplicity,
but it gave rise, naturally, to all of the infinite and baffling
complexity of life. The awe it inspired in me made the awe that people
talk about in respect of religious experience seem, frankly, silly
beside it. I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance
any day."-Doug Adams
Thanks Doug RIP...
For the full interview here's the link...
http://www.americana...
Syrius
"...the dire consequences to society when people begin to believe that by
renaming someone to erase their humanity opens the door to the
devaluation of everyone's life..."-dscott
Syrius
March 11, 2008 - 15:03 ET by candanceI didn't care for Adams's religious ideas, but he was an amazing writer.
great job, Roger
March 11, 2008 - 15:15 ET by LionKingExcellent Shrub Report® !!!
Keep up the great work.
Re: Today's Drudge. . .
March 11, 2008 - 08:32 ET by tracheostomyThe study that says, "At least 1 in 4 American teen girls has sex transmitted disease..."
I don't believe it. I'd love to see the numbers and their sources.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Here is one site. There
March 11, 2008 - 13:14 ET by motherbeltHere is one site. There are others (just Google STD statistics); they all have similar numbers, so I doubt it was made up.
Definitely scary that one in five in the general population has an STD!
They should have listened in school...
March 11, 2008 - 15:06 ET by SyriusMB,
Thanks for the link and the enlightenment of PJ. Abstinence could work if they would only listen to the Educator in Chief. I'm sure there's a break down showing them ALL to be liberals. Damn those loose liberals and their loose sexual ways. Oops, I meant children of liberals.
Syrius
"...the dire consequences to society when people begin to believe that by
renaming someone to erase their humanity opens the door to the
devaluation of everyone's life..."-dscott
SBC in the tank with AGW. . .
March 11, 2008 - 08:42 ET by tracheostomyAmidst all the scandal talk, this got slipped in under the radar yesterday, and I totally missed it.
I noticed it also came about, rather oddly enough, at the same time of the RCC's most recent AGW announcement as well, but I'm sure that's a total coincidence though, and they're completely unrelated.
Yeah, and I'm a Chinese jet pilot.
This is all Rick Warren's fault. Yes, one man can make a difference. You gotta admit that systematically gutting an entire denomination, one fad at a time, is a pretty impressive legacy.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
trach...that's also covered
March 11, 2008 - 13:21 ET by motherbelttrach...that's also covered here on NB
Code Pink video
March 11, 2008 - 09:13 ET by balboaYou have GOT to check out Rob Riggle's piece on Code Pink in Berkeley at thedailyshow.com. It is hilarious.
bal, link it please. Dont
March 11, 2008 - 09:19 ET by bassndudebal, link it please. Dont have time to search the site for it. Thanks.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
http://www.thedailys...
March 11, 2008 - 09:24 ET by balboahttp://www.thedailys...
bal, I gotta hand it to you
March 11, 2008 - 09:35 ET by bassndudebal, I gotta hand it to you on this one. That was great. Thanks...made my day..
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
LOL! Pink = Pwnt
March 11, 2008 - 11:41 ET by tracheostomyLOL! Pink = Pwnt 3:19-3:30!
Loved it. Thanks Bal!
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Second that
March 11, 2008 - 12:28 ET by ThisnThatGreat video.
___________________________________
If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber
I thought people might like
March 11, 2008 - 12:30 ET by balboaI thought people might like it. Makes the Code Pink protestors look pretty stupid. "If only there were a group dedicated to protecting that freedom."
Hilarious!
bal
March 11, 2008 - 14:49 ET by MrShyYeah, saw that bit last night.... very funny.
Also a bit surprised that a JS/Daily Show skit leaned almost right, not left. But then, almost all of us outside the real fringe see Code Pink for what they are..... naive dingbats.
I could start the group dedicated to protecting those freedoms:
CODE PINK TIE
(Free Stinker, come and get me!! I've just blantantly self-promoted again! :))
* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change
MrS... LOL!!!
March 11, 2008 - 14:57 ET by bigtimerMrS...
LOL!!!
ROFLMAO!!!
March 11, 2008 - 13:30 ET by motherbeltROFLMAO!!! That was hilarious!!
I especially love the idiot that says Berkeley stands for free speech (while trying to shut down the Marine recruiters), and then when Riggles says wouldn't it be great if there was an organization of some kind to fight to defend free speech? says that would be "outstanding."
She really doesn't have a clue.
boa...and mb... I too am
March 11, 2008 - 14:31 ET by bigtimerboa...and mb...
I too am ROFL...and you posted my exact sentiments regarding these whizbangs and free speech too mb...saved me the writing.
I just shake my head at these pitiful critters...it is painful at times...let alone maddening.
Glad for the humor though.
That WAS damn-good comedy
March 11, 2008 - 09:22 ET by sarcasmoIt effectively made fun of the views of both sides at once, which gets a guaranteed laugh from me. Rob's hilarious when he busts through that wall, too.
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
Sarc, I read your comment
March 11, 2008 - 13:56 ET by KarmaSarc, I read your comment and then I watched the video again.
How was he making fun of both sides?
You didn't see it?? Maybe it's me...
March 11, 2008 - 14:16 ET by sarcasmoI see "Code Pink" as a caricature of the overall peace movement. They seem to be only the angry extreme-left, as illustrated by the woman who seemed to have no idea that the privilege of free speech might apply to others who disagree with her views.
In the interview with the bearded guy, Rob (who I believe was/is a Marine?) reacted to the nutty guy's statements by playing an equally over the top caricature of a military guy's possible angry reaction, rather than taking him seriously. It fit perfectly. I found it brilliant comedy.
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
I see where you're coming
March 11, 2008 - 14:50 ET by KarmaI see where you're coming from but I didn't take Rob's frustration outlets as making fun of the Marines. I saw the ridicule as still focused on the nutty guy's statements. Maybe it's me...regardless, it was hilarious.
Yeah, I agree
March 11, 2008 - 15:11 ET by sarcasmoWhat Rob did with that guy's words was classic, but you're right that it wasn't really all that "balanced." :) I'm just wondering if these people will watch themselves and see the genius-humor of what Rob did, or whether they'll think people actually react by running through walls, etc. They don't do their cause much good in this segment, that's for sure. And I'm sure no real US Marine would ever disrespect the Marines.
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
Maybe it is you, Sarc...
March 11, 2008 - 14:58 ET by Indiana JoeI saw it as how a Marine (yeah, Rob is an ex-jarhead) would respond if he was as narrow-minded and clueless as that "nutty guy."
It WAS hilarious, but I don't think he was making fun of that POV. Just that aging (ag-ED) "hippie."
Hell, I wanted to punch him out myself! ;^)
Something I found on Boortz.com that will make you smile:
March 11, 2008 - 09:27 ET by R D HelmSome moron (probably an Obama disciple) sent this complaint letter to Luke Air Force Base:
Question of the day for Luke Air Force Base:
Whom do we thank for the morning air show? Last Wednesday, at
precisely 9:11 a.m., a tight formation of four F-16 jets made a low pass
over Arrowhead Mall, continuing west over Bell Road at approximately 500
feet. Imagine our good fortune! Do the Tom Cruise-wannabes feel we need
this wake-up call, or were they trying to impress the cashiers at
Mervyns early bird special?
Any response would be appreciated.
Here was the response:
Regarding "A wake-up call from Luke's jets" (Letters, Thursday):
On June 15, at precisely 9:12 a.m., a perfectly timed four-ship flyby
of F-16s from the 63rd Fighter Squadron at Luke Air Force Base flew over
the grave of Capt. Jeremy Fresques. Capt. Fresques was an Air Force officer who was
previously stationed at Luke Air Force Base and was killed in Iraq on
May 30, Memorial Day.
At 9 a.m. on June 15, his family and friends gathered at Sunland
Memorial Park in Sun City to mourn the loss of a husband, son and
friend.
Based on the letter writer's recount of the flyby, and because of the
jet noise, I'm sure you didn't hear the 21-gun salute, the playing of
taps, or my words to the widow and parents of Capt. Fresques as I gave
them their son's flag on behalf of the President of the United States
and all those veterans and servicemenwho understand the sacrifices they
have endured. A four-ship flyby is a display of respect the Air Force
pays to those who give their lives in defense of freedom. We are
professional aviators and take our jobs seriously, and on June 15 what
the letter writer witnessed was four officers lining up to pay their
ultimate respects.
The letter writer asks, "Whom do we thank for the morning air show?" The
56th Fighter Wing will make the call for you, and forward your thanks to
the widow and parents of Capt. Fresques, and thank them for you, for it
was in their honor that my pilots flew the most honorable formation of
their lives.
Lt. Col. Scott Pieus
CO, 63rd Fighter Squadron
Luke AFB
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
"Do the Tom Cruise-wannabes
March 11, 2008 - 09:44 ET by Indiana Joe"Do the Tom Cruise-wannabes feel we need
this wake-up call, or were they trying to impress the cashiers at
Mervyns early bird special?"
Only a true idiot would think that professional pilots "wannabe" a mostly-washed-up neurotic actor. I think they have that a leetle backwards.
Big grin! ;^D
Sigh...
March 11, 2008 - 09:50 ET by Roger the ShrubberPoor Val Kilmer and Anthony Edwards never get any credit...
I think he got it
March 11, 2008 - 09:54 ET by Hero SquadI think he got it backwards... Tom Cruise was a fighter pilot wannabe.
*****
"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
HS, don't forget
March 11, 2008 - 10:57 ET by FastEdJohn Kerry was a fighter pilot wannabe too - GW flew them, and all JK got to do is putt-putt around in a Swift Boat, while the other pilot wannabe was writing about it, huh al? Meanwhile, JMcL was punching holes in the sky in an A-4.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
I found this at
March 11, 2008 - 10:18 ET by Hunter12I found this at Snopes when I was trying to figure out what day of the week it was when this occurred. In the spirit of full disclosure, the complainer did have the guts to admit he was an idiot.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
H12, thanks for finding that.
March 11, 2008 - 10:58 ET by R D HelmI am glad the complainer had the decency to apologize, but the fact that he was former Navy and a Vietnam vet makes him an even bigger idiot in my mind.
I reside very near what is now Dobbins Air Reserve Base (it was once a full-blown Air Force base). I've always loved it when the fighters make low passes around here.
I consider it the sound of freedom.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
I live between a couple of
March 11, 2008 - 11:12 ET by Hunter12I live between a couple of airport where resevre fighter squadrons used to be based. It was always cool to see them flying.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
I also give him credit for
March 11, 2008 - 13:34 ET by motherbeltI also give him credit for saying plainly please accept my heartfelt apology...
No BS about "to anyone who might have been offended....."
Names, Games and the News
March 11, 2008 - 09:34 ET by PawpawNTalk about doing things that are funny or intended to maliciously get at people the one on TODAY about Gov Spitzer was for fun, the one on Dexter was malicious. 1)Did you catch the name of the NY Post Writer on TODAY for this! His name "FREDERIC DICKER"! That was for fun. 2)Then on DEXTER Sunday they had Halloween masks and talked about what they meant and when saying "MALICIOUSLY EVIL they show mask of Pres Bush"! That was malicious! Gotta love the guys and gals in so-called NEWS!
NY Gov's theme Song
March 11, 2008 - 09:37 ET by PawpawNAny truth that Spendster's theme song is "LOVE POTION # 9"? Over $4000 for a hooker and only an hour or 2! Geez, the NY taxpayer's monies don't go very far and talk about waste of pub(l)ic fun(d)s!
Southern Baptist on Climate Change
March 11, 2008 - 09:38 ET by ricklailAs usual the MSM, specifically the AP, got the story wrong. The climate change initiative is not a product of the Southern Baptist Convention. It is the brainchild of a seminary student who got several key SBC leaders to sign it. See this article from the Baptist Press.
If you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes.-Lewis Grizzard
Even a good news story is pitched as bad...
March 11, 2008 - 09:43 ET by BDEven a good news story about US Marines in Iraq is pitched as bad in the lede. The Times just cannot leave out the dim cloud in the silver lining.
New York Times
March 10, 2008
Pg. 8
Toddler Returns To Iraq After Life-Saving Surgery
By Erica Goode
HADITHA, Iraq — She is an amazingly lucky girl in a country where bad luck is everywhere. But 2-year-old Amenah al-Bayati is not aware of her good fortune.
She is still ignorant of how ruthlessly death stalks her country. She was not yet born when, in 2005, American marines killed 24 civilians, including five children, after their convoy hit a roadside bomb in this farming town on the Euphrates. She was too young to understand the politics that briefly landed her father in jail, suspected of ties to the insurgency.
So she does not know how exceptional her luck was last fall when a Marine company decided to do everything it could to save her life, sending her to the United States in January for surgery to repair a congenital heart defect that was cutting off her oxygen supply.
Truly amazing is that the story to which the lede references has largely been debunked as an atrocity on the USMC part.
It is amazing she was found
March 11, 2008 - 09:49 ET by Roger the ShrubberIt is amazing she was found that rarity: a group of Marines who didn't rape, murder, and abuse her corpse. Must be that 1% of the military who aren't evil...
Of course, I always thought that UN Peacekeepers owned that franchise...
That's UN 'Piecekeepers'
March 11, 2008 - 09:51 ET by NL207That's UN 'Piecekeepers'
BD,
March 11, 2008 - 10:01 ET by R D HelmWhy is it I get the feeling that Erica Goode is somehow related to the jerk that wrote that complaint letter to Luke AFB I posted above?
You would think a reporter would be aware of the fact that the whole Haditha story has been pretty well proven to have been nothing more than a traitorous congress-critter's wild, demented fantasy.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
RD;I concur and wonder
March 11, 2008 - 12:56 ET by BDRD;
I concur and wonder if the New York Times will make other bizarre connections/observations such as:
"Peace maintained in sinai desert for thirty years by US forces in peacekeeper operations, Mai-Lai Massacre remembered."
"US troops provide support to Hurrican Katrina victims - Dresden Bombed."
"US Navy rescues thousands in Aceh province from Tsunami floodwaters - Sinks Japanese fishing boat off of Japan.
Simply put, the press has to go through HUGE gyrations to make these links in the stories lede to give the appropriate impression of US forces as bad and evil or at a minimum - Victims.
BD,
March 11, 2008 - 23:11 ET by R D HelmApparently, Our Islamic enemies are not the ony ones who consider us to be the "Great Satan."
Damned sad, if you ask me.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
Noel, fabulous job on Glenn
March 11, 2008 - 09:57 ET by Roger the ShrubberNoel, fabulous job on Glenn Beck this morning. After last night, I just KNEW you had a face for radio!!!! hahaha
Seriously, though, you were excellent today!
Rog
March 11, 2008 - 10:25 ET by Noel SheppardRog,
Thanks. This has been a VERY enjoyable 24 hours. I've been wanting to "do" TV for years, and have been close on a couple of occasions. When I received the e-mail from Glenn's producer yesterday morning, I was just shocked because it came out of the blue.
In the end, even though it was only about six hours between notification and taping, I am amazingly pleased with my first effort in front of the camera. Although I clearly have some things to work on, for my maiden voyage, with all due humility, I am almost giddy about the final product. ns
I assume you sat in the
March 11, 2008 - 10:38 ET by dscottI assume you sat in the waiting room with those butterflies in your tummy? and now you know why it's called the Green Room. LOL
Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008 Long Live the Empire! Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.
Dan
March 11, 2008 - 10:51 ET by Noel SheppardDan,
No green room. I was in a small studio on the UC-Berkeley campus. Just me, a very nice cameraman, and an engineer in a different room. Very cozy, very comfortable. This helped calm my nerves A LOT! ns
Was it weird looking into
March 11, 2008 - 11:25 ET by Roger the ShrubberWas it weird looking into the camera? Was there a monitor below it or nearby where you could see Glenn?
Oh, and I thought you'd be taller.
Is it true that the camera
March 11, 2008 - 13:55 ET by Hero SquadIs it true that the camera add ten pounds? I always thought that 40 Quarter Pounders adds 10 pounds. Wish I would have seen it. Maybe it'll air this weekend and I'll catch it then.
*****
"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
Rog
March 11, 2008 - 14:55 ET by Noel SheppardRog,
How can you tell what my height is from that video, or are you joking?
No monitor unfortunately. They want you just staring into that camera which isn't as easy as you think because there's nothing there. As I've reviewed the tape, I was definitely shifting my eyes too much, but don't remember doing that.
As I said, I've got some things to work on, now apparently including my height! :-) ns
Noel
March 11, 2008 - 15:37 ET by MrShyWhat's it like being famous?
And I don't know what Rog means about you looking short...?? Rog? Noel, you're a good 6-3, right? :p
* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change
Okay, you got me. I was
March 11, 2008 - 15:49 ET by Roger the ShrubberOkay, you got me. I was only joking about your height :p
I did like your radio appearannce this morning better. You sounded more relaxed.
That has to be goofy, staring into a camera, pretending to be looking at someone you are speaking with.
What Rog? He sounded tall
March 11, 2008 - 15:52 ET by bassndudeWhat Rog? He sounded tall on the radio.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
"If Obama was a white man,
March 11, 2008 - 10:35 ET by dscott"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position"
What position would that be Ms. Ferraro? Are you saying because Obama is Black that he should get back on the Dem plantation where he belongs???? to step aside for Clinton??? Are you saying if Obama were white Dem, he would know his place and not challenge Clinton's victim card????
Last time I checked there Ms. Ferraro, we haven't seen the KKK or Aryan Nation protesting Obama's candidacy. The position is obviously not white voters of Iowa or Wyoming rejecting Obama based on his race otherwise he wouldn't have won there. So what are you inferring there Mssssssssssss. Ferraro? Are White Democrat voters racist? Hmmm, then why are they voting for Obama???? Mssssssssssssssss. Ferraro? Why is it that Obama has both more votes and delegates than Clinton if Democrats are racist as you infer? Mssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss. Ferraro? Strange, Obama reaches out to Black and White, Male and Female and gets the majority of votes; Clinton appeals to women saying it's her turn and gets less votes, very strange indeed in the PC universe. Ummm, the victim card doesn't work on fellow Dems when everyone is of the victim class.
Here are some facts: http://elections.foxnews.com/ click the state to see the results.
Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008 Long Live the Empire! Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.
"If Obama was a white man..."If Hillary was a white man...
March 11, 2008 - 11:37 ET by vrwc13"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position"
...same could be said...
"If Hillary was a white man, she would not be in this position"
...I believe the point Ms. Ferraro was making was BHO's resume is a little lacking. Unfortunately, for her, and HRC, so is Hillary's. For IMHO, HRC's being First Lady doesn't add much, and with that, they are both lacking in "real" experience. They are both "qualified" constitutionallly, but neither has much depth of experience.
...it'll only get more interesting...as the "pigs" wrestle and get muddy, and love it!
v
What a shame we have to wait until 2012...
"Faith doesn't just influence me. It really defines me. I don't have to wake up every day wondering what do I need to believe," Huckabee says in the ad. "Let us never sacrifice our principles for anybody's politics. Not now, not ever."
»→ Hillary as First Lady
March 11, 2008 - 11:43 ET by Cool ArrowShe even botched that job. She could have been a role model to abused women everywhere.
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You're talking about
March 11, 2008 - 12:18 ET by dscottYou're talking about Hillary? Umm, I think she was the abuser in that relationship as I heard it (rumor), which was supposedly why the Secret Service wasn't allowed in the residence quarters at all like in all previous administrations. If they had seen her hit Bill, they would be obligated to arrest her on the spot, you can't strike the POTUS period, it's a federal offense and it doesn't matter if you are the first lady or the Co-POTUS.
Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008 Long Live the Empire! Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.
Does half count?
March 11, 2008 - 15:04 ET by LionKingIsn't Barry Hussein Obama half white?
[Isn't Hillary half man?]
Hey King... The sad state of
March 11, 2008 - 15:18 ET by vrwc13Hey King...
The sad state of affairs is if you could get any Democrat to answer you honestly, how would they answer this:
What qualities, charactor traits, and experiences do either HRC or BHO have that convince you that either one of them should be President of the United States?
v
“The future has a way of arriving unannounced.” George Will
vr...ROTFLMAO
March 11, 2008 - 15:24 ET by LionKingRight???
You are referring to the intellectually deprived party, right? They buy into all of this feel-good rhetoric, nanny-state crap that the dumbocrats are famous for.
Actually, I have asked some BHO supporters why...basically, he is a good speaker and I think we need change. Again, nothing of substance and no specifics are EVER provided.
why...basically, he is a good speaker and I think we need change
March 11, 2008 - 15:31 ET by vrwc13...isn't that what they thought about Hitler?
http://mediamatters....
v
“The future has a way of arriving unannounced.” George Will
Unfortunately, despondent
March 11, 2008 - 19:40 ET by dscottUnfortunately, despondent people are vulnerable to such circus acts, telling people they are victims and then affirming it is a very manipulative act used by con artists, salesmen and politicians alike. It's a little over the top to draw Hitler into this comparison since Americans aren't desperate, in this case the fault lies not with the politician but with the dupes who listen to such tripe. I would be far more concerned with all the gullible people.
Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008 Long Live the Empire! Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.
»→ Where's the momentum?
March 11, 2008 - 11:25 ET by Cool ArrowLooks like Spitzer fiasco has all the airtime. Isn't there a Primary or something today?
Does the wife standing by her man hearken back to the days of Tammy Wynette? Does this hurt or help Hillary?
Does the Spitzer hoopla positively or negatively help either Dem campaign.
I'm just asking questions here. I don't have any answers.
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Cool, I don't know if it
March 11, 2008 - 11:41 ET by bigtimerCool,
I don't know if it hurts or helps him having his wife standing by him, my first thought was what a guy, having his wife stand there by him, she didn't look happy but I have heard this morning she wants him to stay in and fight...so you never know who made the decision or not behind the scenes...
I know I never would of, if I was asked to do so and felt pressured there would of been sorrow after I got done interrupting his little pathetic speech with a speech of my own to the msm and him.
He would not have a home to come back to and his clothes and all belongings would be on the walk in front of the house.
Nothing burns up my wife
March 11, 2008 - 14:00 ET by Hero SquadNothing burns up my wife more than the woman who stands next to her husband after he's treated her like garbage. In our local school district the band director is facing charges for carrying on a sexual relationship with an underage student for the better part of a year (I won't go into how they were caught.) But when he showed up for the preliminary hearing, wife and the mother of his young children at his side holding his arm, she blew a gasket.
I surmised that there's some sort of deal going on here, that when this business is all said and done, she'll be getting an uncontested tidy sum in the divorce proceedings.
*****
"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
Hero
March 11, 2008 - 14:34 ET by ricklailI don't understand it either. My wife told me 37 years ago that if she caught me cheating, it was over-no if's ands and buts. Tammy Wynette stood beside George Jones for just so so long until she tired of the drinking. Do you think Hillary is going to stand with Bill if she loses this thing? I wouldn't be surprised if Bill's name was not in the reports somewhere.
If you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes.-Lewis Grizzard
NYT Blatent Bias
March 11, 2008 - 12:13 ET by ThisnThatThe NYT has an opinion piece today on how difficult it is to pronounce certain words. They use an example: "Tim Russert cornered Hillary Clinton into naming Vladimir Putin’s heir. She dodged, ducked and plunged into the now famous: “Med, vay, deva, whatever.” Nobody thought the worse of her. In fact, it drew one of the few sympathetic murmurs in the debate."
Now, this has nothing to do with Republicans, except for one thing -- did the NYT ever give a pass to a Republican for pronounciation? No. In fact, the NYT and every other liberal MSM outlet uses mis-prounounced words as "evidence" of mental retardation among Republicans. George Bush and Dan Qualyle are the most prominant examples. Never, ever have I heard of (a) The Dim being made fun of, or (b) The Republican given a pass.
NYT -- blatent bias all the way.
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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber
Whoa...Elliot's been doing it for years!!
March 11, 2008 - 14:26 ET by sarcasmoNY Post via Fox's S. Smith says 7 to 10, and getting away with it! Well, until recently...And he said they have proof enough to say that. This means Elliot's sunk, resignation is a matter of time as he negotiates to try to keep his law ticket. If it's been happening this long it also increases the possibility that other corruption is involved. I wouldn't put it past him...
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
It will eventually come out
March 11, 2008 - 14:39 ET by bassndudeIt will eventually come out that he has not only be Client #9, but also Investor #9. I do think it will turn out he was not only using the "service" but also one of the providers. As in, he was making money off this deal. I also will bet that his wife knew all about it.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
I was thinking the exact opposite
March 11, 2008 - 15:03 ET by sarcasmoAs in "they owned him." Once he was a client, all the escort service needed was one video camera once, or even just to allege the existence of a tape, to get Elliot to do what they wanted, if my guess is right. I'm even going to guess they may have siced Elliot on their competition, since that's the nature of how taxpayers' money gets used in un-free markets when it comes to consensual "crimes" & official corruption.
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
»→ sarc
March 11, 2008 - 15:07 ET by Cool ArrowThe existance of a video could raise the question that maybe Spitzer was just making a porn flick.
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Especially at
March 11, 2008 - 15:17 ET by sarcasmoThose prices. In fact, if the girl brings along a camera, that "excuse" might be a bit like the smoking theaters where "actors" go to smoke and be left the hell alone, but I'm not aware the sex business has thought it up. Yet. :)
BTW Alan Dershowitz(sp?) is already saying that how Elliot got caught looks "suspicious," and he clearly wants this to become a legal case instead of a resignation. I'm of course for resignation, but the whore problem for me is only the latest reason, and it's not nearly the strongest...
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
»→ sarc
March 11, 2008 - 15:49 ET by Cool ArrowThe whore angle is the only one people will get righteously indignant about somehow. He's a corrupt politician, but understanding what's wrong with his hypocritical whoremongering is something mowt people can understand readily.
It's a whole lot easier to understand than why his daddy's money shouldn't finance his campaign.
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I can't see why he's not already fired
March 11, 2008 - 16:06 ET by sarcasmoFor using state resources against another politician and various other things that have made him look blatantly corrupt & political for years, at least to me, but part of that stems from my dislike of his anti-business rhetoric. All this stuff diverts resources from fighting real crimes with victims, of course, but I guess it can count as a sort of taxpayer subsidy to the comedy industry. As if they need it these days...
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
Consensual "Crimes" Flip-Flop
March 11, 2008 - 15:49 ET by Tinian1) It's Eliot Spitzer. One L.
2) Why aren't you defending Spitzer? I thought the Libertarian wing of the GOP didn't approve of prosecuting parties of "victimless crimes" like prostitution and drug [ab]use.
Yet you're really getting your jollies over Spitzer's dilemma:
Can I ask for some consistency here?
See above, dummy.
March 11, 2008 - 16:01 ET by sarcasmoI suspect corruption, as in "they own him." We know that he went after competing whorehouses, possibly during a period when he was a patron of this one. And as usual, you're one to talk about flip flopping, since last time you flipped & flopped... :) I'll say what I want, and then make fun of you if you say something stupid again, just like this.
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
No Principles, Flip-Flop
March 11, 2008 - 21:17 ET by TinianIf you had any principles you would be calling on Spitzer to thumb his nose at his prosecutors.
Yep -- if you really were principled you would be rooting for Eliot to stay in office while telling the prosecutors to F*** off because it's his own business and what he did should be legal, whether it's patronizing a prostitute or transferring less than $10,000 at a time. Winning those Libertarian battles would make "owning" (blackmailing) a politician over consensual sex and indicting him for doing what he wants to do with his own money a thing of the past. It would put an an end to a lot of "big Government" diktats over our sex lives and financial transactions.
But you really don't care about that.
Nope.
March 12, 2008 - 08:04 ET by sarcasmoBeing against criminality by politicians has nothing to do with being for free markets. But you're apparently not bright enough to understand a simple concept that. Yawn.
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
Geraldine Ferraro
March 11, 2008 - 14:56 ET by okiehawk44This is the same person who last week blamed Florida's Republicans (I repeat Republicans) for the fact that the Democratic Party decided not to seat their own delegates at their own convention. Why is this person saying anything about anybody? SHUT UP GERALDINE you had your 15 minutes back in the '80s -- you're still a LOSER!
oh44... She had to have
March 11, 2008 - 15:13 ET by bigtimeroh44...
She had to have gotten her talking points from Sen. Bill Nelson Fla. regarding their attempt to blame the repubs, plus he sued DNC leader screaming Howard Dean and lost...it has been amusing.
Dow closes up over 415
March 11, 2008 - 15:10 ET by bigtimerDow closes up over 415 points...
LOL....thanks Mr. Spitzer!
I know there are other factors today, like I have heard interest rates will be lowered another .75 points and money will be pumped into struggling banks... but it certainly helped.
Fed and Spitzer right up
March 11, 2008 - 15:15 ET by Cool ArrowI think the Fed making more funny money available did most of it, but Spitzer was the cherry on top.
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Uh-huh. This explains a lot...
March 11, 2008 - 16:40 ET by Chris NormanNow, we know what Mary Ann was putting in those coconut brownies she made Gilligan...
Chris,
March 11, 2008 - 23:16 ET by R D HelmI grew up watching that show. I loved that show.
Is their nothing left from my formative years that hasn't been irretrievably tainted?
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
Kendall Coffey
March 11, 2008 - 16:44 ET by balboaApparently CNN had Kendall Coffey on to talk about the ramifications of SpitzerGate, leaving out the part where he resigned from his U.S. Attorney gig after he bit a stripper...whoops.
Absolutely great post
March 11, 2008 - 17:12 ET by Gary P JacksonAbsolutely great post Balboa!
No Voter Fraud in Florida
March 11, 2008 - 17:27 ET by BlondeWow...I voted in Florida today for City Commission.
First I had to present my voter ID and my driver's license to a nice little white haired lady, who checked my name and address against the voter rolls.
Then I had to give both to another nice lady who scanned my drivers license via a swipe card reader into a computer. Then she asked me for my address! I stated "the one on the license for the last 20 years". The lady next to her said "no, she has to hear you say it".
By that point, I was a tad annoyed, and asked if she knew they didn't card dead people to vote in Chicago!
I mean hello!
I wonder if I called the election supervisor tomorrow if I could find out who I voted for?
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Look at ME! -- I'M AN ATTENTION WHORE!!!!
March 11, 2008 - 19:35 ET by TinianWhy does it feel good to you to try to undermine efforts to eliminate voting fraud?
tinhead, I'd be really careful about who you call a whore.
March 12, 2008 - 00:11 ET by R D HelmFor future reference, you may consider this a somewhat friendly, for now, yet still a no sh*t admonition to the wise:
Blonde has a rather large number of friends here at NB. :-)
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
Say WHAT?
March 12, 2008 - 01:53 ET by UnsaneUm...Blonde? An attention whore???
I do appreciate your public service in putting Sarcasmo in his place, along with his Reactionary God, but calling Blonde an "attention whore" is way over the line with me.
Totally uncalled for and 100% unjustified in my opinion. I believe you owe the lady an apology.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Nice, Tinian
March 12, 2008 - 17:36 ET by BlondeI see the irony in my post sailed right over your head at about 40,000 feet.
Pretty insult, though. Very gentlemanly.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde,
March 11, 2008 - 23:35 ET by R D HelmCorrect me if I am wrong (as I frequently am) but do not Floridians have to register by party?
If you do, I bet if you were a dem and had uttered a few Spanish not-so-nice words, you would heve been waived right on through.
Just guessing here.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
Bill O'Reilly loves Nazi references
March 11, 2008 - 18:02 ET by balboaThis is pretty good stuff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-swAcidXHyM
»→ Miss. to Obama
March 11, 2008 - 19:14 ET by Cool ArrowObama by a landslide.
African Americans vote 9 to 1 against White candidate.
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»→ Ferarro
March 11, 2008 - 19:21 ET by Cool ArrowI can only laugh at Ferarro's observation. Walter Mondale needed a gimmick so he picked her. Now she's saying Obama is a gimmick.
That's what I love about this extended Dem campaign. We don't even have to say a word.
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What Happens When you Go Against Bush?
March 12, 2008 - 07:48 ET by LeonNavy Admiral William J Fallon learned the hard way.
Go against Bush, you get the axe.
Wow. Another example of the Bush administration cleaning house against anyone that doesn't tow the party line.
This isn't Russia. Is this Russia? This isn't Russia. ha.
LINK
My GOD!
March 12, 2008 - 08:06 ET by Jack BauerMy GOD!
Anyone would think that the constitution vested the Commander-in-Chief with the authority to appoint his military leaders.
Doesn't Bushitler know that he has to appoint people (like an Admiral) who disagrees with him in public and makes statements about what the Administration can and cannot do on "his watch."
Doesn't Bushitler know that the Constitution invests the appointed military with the power to override the elected Bushitler.
Who the eff does the aforementioned Bushitler think he is. President.
Good job Lincoln never had that deluded anti-constitutional idea that he was able to choose whoever he damn well pleased, else he may never have won the Civil War.
Jack, Sure it's Bush's
March 12, 2008 - 08:12 ET by LeonJack,
Sure it's Bush's perogative.
However, it's frightening to think that our experts could be dismissed for simply disagreeing with Bush's strategy.
If experts aren't able to give their EXPERT opinion without risk of being punished, we will find ourselves in a very dangerous position.
No it's not. Not even
March 12, 2008 - 08:31 ET by Jack BauerNo it's not. Not even remotely frightening.
Do you know how many Generals, Lincoln went through until he got one who did what he DEMANDED? That is: to WIN by fighting battles and killing the enemy?
He appointed them. They didn't please him. He sacked them.
Unless, of course, you are hankering for a military dictatorship which places all such matters in the hands of the "military" class?
Are you?
And correct me if I am wrong, but Bushitler will be appointing another "expert" won't he? That's the thing about "experts".
You can always find another one who supports you.
The Admiral isn't appointed for his "expertise" in publicly deciding what the U.S's actions against Iran should be.
He is appointed to execute with his expertise what the C-in-C decides. End of story.
I have no idea what you think should replace that. A vote by the Joint Chiefs on what the Administration should do?
Now that's the frightening thought. And that goes for a possible President Hillary Clinton as well.
Like it or not, she as President gets to decide. PERIOD.
This topic has been brought
March 12, 2008 - 08:40 ET by Roger the ShrubberThis topic has been brought up here before, Jack. Silly details, like Lincoln needing 4 different Commanding Generals to finally win the Civil War, are not importat. To Leon, history began in 2001.
Apparently, Leon is also lacking in his knowledge of civics, too.
Sir de S... Sure, it's a
March 12, 2008 - 08:58 ET by Jack BauerSir de S...
Sure, it's a little known fact that FDR was against Operation Overlord on D-Day, but was overruled by the Generals.
As mandated by the U.S. Constitution. Generals v President? Gnerals win. And quite rightly. They are, after all, experts.
General Custer proved that at the Little Big Horn.
I believe it was even more than four, Rog
March 12, 2008 - 08:58 ET by JerI believe it was even more than four, Rog...Lincoln demanded results and wasn't afraid to switch horses to ensure it. Davis, on the other hand, at least in the western theatre, stuck with losers despite glaring ineptitude.
Jer
Jer... and.. and... as the
March 12, 2008 - 09:16 ET by Jack BauerJer... and.. and... as the ELECTED leader, Lincoln would have "got his" from the electorate if the "experts" the President appointed didn't perform.
That's how this whole representative democracy thing works isn't it?
Where did this sophomoric idea that the President cannot get rid of those he appointed (or a predecesor appointed) who do not perform to his satisfaction arise. It beats me.
And in a few months, it may be Republicans who just have to swallow and take what the newly elected President decides. That's how it's been working for the past 220 years in America.
It's also strikes me as being a grossy anti-Constitutional Republic sentiment. I just don't follow the logic.
You are correct, Jack...of
March 12, 2008 - 09:26 ET by JerYou are correct, Jack...of course Truman got scorched for bouncing MacArthur. But he was right.
Jer
Lincoln did cann quite a
March 12, 2008 - 09:29 ET by Roger the ShrubberLincoln did cann quite a few, eh?
I was referring to the Commanding General of the Army (the title before "Chief of Staff" came into being, if I recall - verified by Wiki). I had to look this up to make sure I didn't miss anybody, but apparently my History Channel memory was correct:
Winfeld Scott - 1861
McClellan - 1861-1862
Halleck - 1862-1864
Grant - 1864-1869
I couldn't remember Halleck's name, but knew there was a gap between McClellan (crap general) and Grant (not-so-crap general), haha.
Sorry...I thought you were
March 12, 2008 - 09:43 ET by JerSorry...I thought you were referring to the Army of the Potomac, where the real revolving door in commanding Generals was occurring.
Jer
yeah, my titling was
March 12, 2008 - 09:57 ET by Roger the Shrubberyeah, my titling was confusing. Sorry about that. You are right about Lincoln: he was firing generals left and right. Even in WW2, didn't the press flip out when Patton slapped that soldier? Didnt they scream for his removal? The best general we had, crucifed by the press for a slap? If my memory (of the movie, haha) is right, Eisenhower did reileve Patton of command, right? Made him a decoy for D-Day, right?
Jack, When was the last
March 12, 2008 - 08:55 ET by LeonJack,
When was the last time a senior commander resigned during war time?
First of all Leon, since
March 12, 2008 - 08:09 ET by motherbeltFirst of all Leon, since you love to correct others, it's "toe" the line, not "tow."
Did you see all this in that article?
Adm. William J. Fallon, one of the most experienced officers in the U.S. military, said the reports were wrong but had become a distraction
"I don't believe there have ever been any differences about the objectives of our policy in the Central Command area of responsibility," Fallon said, and he regretted "the simple perception that there is."
But Gates said repeatedly that he believed talk of Fallon opposing Bush on Iran was mistaken.
(AP) Adm. William Fallon, the commander of U.S. Forces in the Middle East, testifies on Capitol Hill in...
"I don't think that there really were differences at all," Gates said, adding that Fallon was not pressured to leave.
OH, I see, you just jumped to the bottom where someone said it was a disturbing development.....
If it's all true, I understand your concern: How DARE George W. Bush expect his commanders on the ground to carry out his orders as CinC regardless of their own opinions! Soldiers shouldn't be expected to do that!
MB, 1) Sometimes this
March 12, 2008 - 08:16 ET by LeonMB,
1) Sometimes this phrase is written "tow the line." This misspelling changes the meaning of the phrase slightly: rather than implying conformance with a rule, "tow" suggests contribution to a cause, e.g. "the pundit is towing the administration's line" alluding to a metaphorical act of pulling something with a line, cord or rope.
2) Using a Gates quote to try to prove my assertion wrong? Ha.
3) Fallon has 30 years experience. It's scary that he was fired for not buying into all the Iran BS. The guy obviously knows what he's talking about, Bush just doesn't want to listen. Hmmm. Can't remember that ever happening? *sarcasm off*
Leon, you are a master at
March 12, 2008 - 08:23 ET by motherbeltLeon, you are a master at the art of ignoring the parts of the story that don't fit your template.
He was not fired. He resigned, because something that he said wasn't even true was becoming a distraction.
But what the heck.....Bush probably made him lie about it; Gates too. After all, you can't believe anything anyone in the BA says.
And "tow the line" has only become acceptable because so many people use it (incorrectly).
But there is no point in arguing with you.
MB, 1) Something he
March 12, 2008 - 08:31 ET by LeonMB,
1) Something he said wasn't even true? What are you talking about? The supposed reason for his resignation was that the public perception of his disagreement with the Bush admin on Iran was becoming a distraction.
2) He has a consistent history of disagreeing with the admin on Iran and now all of the sudden he's forced to resign?
3) A senior commander retiring in wartime? Hmmm. That's doesn't happen too often.
Ignore the obvious for a second and let's make a deal. If we invade Iran within the next year, I get to tell you "I told you so"
By clearing Fallon out of the way, the Bush admin can now do what they've been trying to do for a year. Invade Iran. Why? I have no idea.
Adm. William J. Fallon, one
March 12, 2008 - 08:47 ET by motherbeltAdm. William J. Fallon, one of the most experienced officers in the U.S. military, said the reports were wrong but had become a distraction
"the reports" meaning reports of a disagreement. Which part of that do you not understand?
Even leaving that aside, his job is to carry out the orders of his Commander-in-Chief. That's what the "in Chief" means.
Ah yes MB, I wasn't clear
March 12, 2008 - 08:49 ET by LeonAh yes MB,
I wasn't clear on what you were saying.
Fallon did indeed call the Esquire article written by NEOCON Barnett, "Poison pen stuff".
Leon, the guy was against
March 12, 2008 - 08:35 ET by Roger the ShrubberLeon, the guy was against the surge. That lack of insight alone should have cost him his job.
Also, his job is to carry out the wishes of the civilian leader of the country, not to question them.
As usual, you are are the ass-end of the discussion.
Roger, 1) He was against
March 12, 2008 - 08:46 ET by LeonRoger,
1) He was against the surge. And as the surge reaches the end of its sustainability what do we have to show for it? Not a whole lot. More troops equals less violence. No way! It's not exactly rocket science. So what happens when we can no longer maintain the surge. Where are all of these Iraqi troops we've been training? Where is the Iraqi government? We're not any closer to Iraqi independence than we were before the surge. It was nothing more than a delaying of the inevitable.
2) This reminds me of Shinseki. He was right but what he said disagreed with Rummy's ego, so what happened?
3) His job is not to blindly follow the civilian leadership of the country when he was put in command for his expertise, his opinion, and his leadership. His job is to do what he thinks is the best military strategy.
Sir de Shrubber.. And
March 12, 2008 - 08:49 ET by Jack BauerSir de Shrubber..
And besides... anyone with even the most minor knowledge of this administration knows one thing for an absolute fact.
Bush's major failing is NOT that he fires or removes those who work against his administration, or who are ideologically opposed to him. It's the opposite. He keeps them on
You only have to look at the way he threw Porter Goss and John Bolton overboard without a fight.
This was a direct assault by the Clinton DoS holdovers, and entranched liberals in the CIA who Bush has never removed.
Appointed officials at the DoS and the CIA worked tirelessly to usurp the power of an elected branch of government. And succeeded.
Clinton replaced Colin
March 12, 2008 - 10:06 ET by Hunter12Clinton replaced Colin Powell with General John Shalikashvili in 1994 to implement a policy in Bosnia that Powell disagreed with. That was probably OK with Leon, I guess. The big furor with President Bush replacing the federal prosecutors always overlooks stuff like Clinton replacing the prosecutor who was after Dan Rostenkowski for violating (making $100K) his franking priveleges.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill