Just weeks after MSNBC's David Shuster was suspended for suggesting the Clinton campaign had "pimped out" former first daughter Chelsea, a comedienne on NBC's "Saturday Night Live" called nuns "b****es."
Tina Fey, the star of NBC's "30 Rock," came back to her television launching pad last evening to make a strong appeal to women around the country to vote for Hillary Clinton in upcoming primaries.
As part of her stump speech, Fey said the following (readers are warned about mild vulgarity as well as sacrilege):
And maybe what bothers me the most is that people say that Hillary is a bitch. And let me say something about that: yeah, she is, and so am I. And so is this one (pointing at Amy Poehler). And you know what, bitches get stuff done. That’s why Catholic schools use nuns as teachers and not priests. Those nuns are mean old clams, and they sleep on cots and are allowed to hit you. And at the end of the school year, you hated those bitches, but you knew the capital of Vermont. So, I’m saying it’s not too late Texas and Ohio. Get on board. Bitch is the new black!
As NBC and MSNBC are owned by the same parent company, General Electric, one has to wonder about the odd double standard at play here, irrespective of the fact that "SNL" is a late-night comedy show.
If making potentially derogatory comments about a former first daughter is unacceptable, shouldn't it be similary so for high-ranking religious figures?
Moving foward, in a bizarre twist on feminism, Fey began her Clinton appeal by accusing women that support rival Barack Obama of being too stupid to make important decisions without the help of daytime television superstar Oprah Winfrey:
And finally, in probably the most important women's news item there is, we have our first serious, female presidential candidate in Hillary Clinton. And yet, women have come so far as feminists that they don't feel obligated to vote for a candidate just because she's a woman. Women today feel perfectly free to make whatever choice Oprah tells them to.
That should work real well with feminists. After all, there's nothing more empowering to a woman than being told she's not intelligent enough to make up her own mind.
Yet, Fey clearly wasn't on stage just to offend Catholics along with women who dare not vote for Hillary:
Rush Limbaugh, the Jeff Conaway of right-wing radio, said that he doesn’t think America is ready to watch their president “turn into an old lady in front of them.” Really? They didn’t seem to mind when Ronald Reagan did that?
Interesting stump style, wouldn't you agree? After all, condescendingly brow-beating the citizenry into voting a certain way doesn't seem to be working this election cycle.
Just ask Hillary.
*****Update: Some may notice that the headline and lede for this piece changed. After reading through the original version a couple of times, and watching the video, I realized that for all intents and purposes, the same company that recently suspended Shuster was guilty of gross sacrilege towards the Catholic church and its members. As this seemed to be far more important than the Oprah remark, I changed things around.
*****Update II: For those thinking that referring to Fey's Clinton appeal as a stump speech was a misinterpretation of a comedy skit, the Huffington Post's Rachel Sklar saw last night's festivities as being "about as close as SNL could come to a live, on-air endorsement of Hillary Clinton" that "Bill Clinton probably couldn't have done [more] effectively."
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Yep...Fey is a
February 24, 2008 - 17:50 ET by bigtimerYep...Fey is a real bitch...a stupid one at that and proud of it.
Really cute about the nuns...just so sweet.
What a gal...actually she gives bitch a new meaning...come to think of it.
More than anything I would like to bitch-slap her...there that is my bitch for the day...I feel better now.
Oh BigTimer
February 24, 2008 - 21:09 ET by sentforth5Don't get me started!
Evening sentforth... I'm
February 24, 2008 - 21:13 ET by bigtimerEvening sentforth...
I'm not sure how to take that at this point of the thread, don't know if you have read all the way down quite yet.
No, BigTimer, I read it
February 24, 2008 - 21:30 ET by sentforth5all and I wish sometimes I could just say what you said. I grow so tired of the MSM bashing Christians so freely and without any remorse, and all the while more than half of them consider themselves Christians. Fools! I bite my tongue for the most part because God will have His vengeance for Himself, but tonight you crystallized my emoticons so well!
Hey sent...Thank you and
February 24, 2008 - 21:34 ET by bigtimerHey sent...
Thank you and thanks for the reply...you just soothed my soul some.
well good!
February 24, 2008 - 21:40 ET by sentforth5we does what we can.
So Tina Fey says Liberal women are too stupid to know
February 24, 2008 - 17:50 ET by Lame CherryThe degrading things which come out of these liberal women about women. I don't believe for a second that even that dolt Joy Behar votes because someone tells her how to vote........she votes for Hillary because all liberal women have to stick together in one massive restroom visit.
Why liberal women want to associate with the likes of Tina Fey which is exactly how their "friends" are is beyond comprehension.
These liberal chics should come on over to the Conservative bar and grill........we won't bar then, but will grill them into submission, be real men they crave and they will have a great time being women.
Fey can stay home though and be miserable peeing her pants........at least that is what she told Letterman she does now after having a baby.
Dr. Cherry to consult.......Tina do your squiggles and you will be just fine.......at least in the pee department, visit God and He will help fix the rest upstairs.
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The degrading things which
February 24, 2008 - 18:21 ET by Damian GThe degrading things which come out of these liberal women about women.
Perhaps "bitch" is a word only liberal women can use, just like the n-word for blacks?
You do know she's a comedian, right?
February 24, 2008 - 17:53 ET by SATerpAnd that Weekend Update is satire?
Though admittedly, they both suck at those functions....
ST
February 24, 2008 - 18:35 ET by Noel SheppardST,
Weekend Update is a satire? Wow. I've been watching this program since it was called simply "Saturday Night," and I had no idea this news segment was a lampoon.
You mean Chevy Chase, Dennis Miller, Kevin Nealon, and all the others that have reported the news to me and the rest of America for four decades now were only kidding?
Wow. I've got to seriously rethink some things. Thanks for the heads-up. ns
NS
February 24, 2008 - 18:49 ET by UphillAm I sensing a bit of, um, sarcasm?
UH
February 24, 2008 - 18:55 ET by Noel SheppardUH,
From moi, a conservative obviously devoid of a sense of humor? Certainly not.
I'm shocked I tell you, shocked to find I've been duped by these folks for so many years.
Well, Easter's right around the corner, and the Bunny will make everything better just like he always does. ns
What? President Kennedy
February 24, 2008 - 19:03 ET by JerryWhat? President Kennedy has been shot!!!
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Double standards
February 24, 2008 - 17:54 ET by ThisnThatAnd what, exactly, would the MSM reaction be if Rush had said these exact same words? Just wondering....
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February 24, 2008 - 18:16 ET by CaringwhiteguyBlack people for liberal women - and Reverend Al for Oprah. Any guess on how long the suspension would be?????? Or would it just be automatic lifetime banishment?
With supporters like that
February 24, 2008 - 17:56 ET by VonuYou'd think Hillary would be higher in the polls. Maybe Bitch is the new Dole.
Freedom is a vital component of human effectiveness and fulfillment.
Actually...
February 24, 2008 - 18:03 ET by scamoramaI thought it was mildly amusing.
I was changing channels last night and happened to see the beginning of that bit. Stayed to watch it because I find Tina oddly appealing.
The dig at Okrah was spot on.
Bitches DO get things done.
The Reagan line wasn't funny, but would have been if they had used Jimmy Carter instead. But, then, Carter was an old woman when he TOOK office.
Hey scam... You don't
February 24, 2008 - 18:22 ET by bigtimerHey scam...
You don't have to be a bitch to accomplish things in life.
Some are...some aren't.
Just wanted to make that point.
Point taken...
February 24, 2008 - 18:39 ET by scamorama...and I'll add that not all bitches of accomplishment are worthy of emulation. In fact, few are.
scam... Thanks for that
February 24, 2008 - 18:45 ET by bigtimerscam...
Thanks for that excellent clarification..no one could of put it better than you just did.
actually, I think Ms. Fey is funny
February 24, 2008 - 18:14 ET by nedpotterAs a conservative who wasted my vote on super Tuesday by voting for Mitt Romney(really any vote for a Republican in Illinois is a wasted vote), I think Tina Fey has done a fine job of satirizing the cult of Obama. She clearly tilts liberal, but she throws a few zingers at her own kind now and then. One of the funny moments of last year's season of "30 Rock" was when Ms. Fey's character on the show accused Tracy Morgan's character with "You took advantage of my White Liberal Guilt! White Liberal Guilt is only to be used for good, like over-tipping or supporting Barrack Obama!". Funny stuff.
A Primary Vote Is Never Wasted
February 25, 2008 - 00:05 ET by CGatton"...wasted my vote on super Tuesday by voting for Mitt Romney..."
Please don't feel you wasted your vote. I voted for Romney on Feb 19th, long after 'super Tuesday,' as did my wife and 'right thinking' sons, and none of us feel like we wasted our votes. That's how we let our eventual nominee know that to which he needs to appeal to garner our unbridled support. That is all a primary election is for, and why the current method of winnowing the candidates over a period of months is so wrong.
I'm all for a universal primary, delegates split seven ways from Sunday, batter it out at the convention, so people can really see their votes in play, and have a sense of involvement with the process. Unfortunately we have what we have, and have to deal with it, but never, ever think your primary vote didn't count. The ones that didn't count, are the ones who vote later, for the presumpive nominee, rather than their first choice. At least McCain, in this case, knows he has to pay some attention to Romney's ideas, if he wants the support of those who chose not to vote for him.
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Tina Fey's Rant & HAS (Hillary Adoration Syndrome)
February 24, 2008 - 18:30 ET by Free StinkerI watched this one last night.
It really fell flat. She could do better than that but I think miss Fey is suffering from an acute form of HAS (Hillary Adoration Syndrome)
Pledge to not support RINOs ever again!
FS... LOL... HAS...I
February 24, 2008 - 18:40 ET by bigtimerFS...
LOL...
HAS...I like that.
As an aside real quick did you catch your gal this morning on the Washington Journal...if not go to C-Span for the link if interested.
How about HAGs?
February 24, 2008 - 19:00 ET by ThisnThatHAGs - Hillary Adoration & Glorification Syndrome. A disease only affecting women (and men with their own Bitch gene).
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Wow that had to be the
February 24, 2008 - 19:05 ET by wiwfWow that had to be the worst rant ever.
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HAGS - That's Great
February 24, 2008 - 19:11 ET by Free StinkerHAGS - That's Great! ;-)
Pledge to not support RINOs ever again!
TnT... ROFL...HAGs is
February 24, 2008 - 19:12 ET by bigtimerTnT...
ROFL...HAGs is even better...includes both sexes fittingly.
"I think miss Fey is
February 25, 2008 - 13:32 ET by Jerry"I think miss Fey is suffering from an acute form of HAS (Hillary Adoration Syndrome) "
So those who jump ship to the Obama camp are HAS-beens?
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
WOW...I can't believe this
February 24, 2008 - 19:07 ET by balboaWOW...I can't believe this upsets you.
B
February 24, 2008 - 19:09 ET by Noel SheppardB,
How did you divine anger from this? ns
Not anger. If you're posting
February 24, 2008 - 19:14 ET by balboaNot anger. If you're posting it, doesn't that mean that you've been "moved" enough to bring it up as another example of liberal Hollywood destroying America or something?
If making potentially derogatory comments about a former first daughter is unacceptable, shouldn't it be similary so for high-ranking religious figures?
So you think Tina Fey, Lorne Michaels, et al, should be suspended?
B
February 24, 2008 - 19:21 ET by Noel SheppardB,
No. I don't think Shuster should have been suspended. I don't think what he said was all that terrible. He was scapegoated, clearly.
However, if stating that Chelsea was being "pimped out" was considered offensive by this employer, than calling nuns bitches should be, too.
We see this kind of double standard from media all the time, the fact that derogatory comments about Judeo-Christian figures are completely acceptable, when seemingly less offensive remarks about things the left hold dear are verboten.
It's just not right, B. This moral relativism is a huge part of media bias, and it's 100 percent correct for us to point it out. ns
Gotcha. But I don't think
February 24, 2008 - 19:26 ET by balboaGotcha. But I don't think there's any way you can evaluate comments made on a news commentary show the same way you evaluate SNL. Otherwise they'd have to cut a huge chunk of their material, as would many many other comedies. Eventually comedy wouldn't be any better than "Full House."
B
February 24, 2008 - 19:33 ET by Noel SheppardB,
And I don't disagree with that either. This is comedy. However, the ironies here are pretty astounding.
Think about it: Shuster gets suspended for a negative reference to Clinton's daughter. Three weeks later, a Clinton supporter, who is employed by the same corporation as Shuster, does a stump speech for Hillary in which she makes a negative reference to nuns.
Forget about this being a comedy for a moment. Don't you see a HUGE hypocrisy in this? In essence, it's not okay to say something derisive if it is antagonistic to the Clinton campaign, but just swell if you're supporting her presidential aspirations.
C'mon, B. You don't have to be Fellini to figure this out. :-) ns
Hypocritical of who? The
February 24, 2008 - 19:45 ET by balboaHypocritical of who? The people who suspended Shuster likely don't have a say in the entertainment division.
Fey being a Hillary supporter isn't what makes the comment OK.
B
February 24, 2008 - 22:35 ET by Noel SheppardB,
Hypocritical of the network. It doesn't matter that the news division is separate from the entertainment division. Still the same network that took heat for what Shuster said only sixteen days prior, and suspended him for saying something far less offensive.
Let me throw out another variable: can you imagine the network allowing Fey to call Muslim women bitches? Or Imam's pricks? Or would they be more sensitive to not offending the so-called religion of peace? ns
Hypocritical of the network.
February 24, 2008 - 22:54 ET by balboaHypocritical of the network. It doesn't matter that the news division is separate from the entertainment division.
Does this apply to Fox, too?
I know you want me to say that they wouldn't let Fey call Muslim women bitches, but I have no real idea. I'd have to read the joke.
Americans take shots at ourselves.
B
February 24, 2008 - 23:01 ET by Noel SheppardB,
Ah, the liberal savior of arguments being lost concerning media bias -- Fox News. I'm surprised you didn't bring them into this sooner. This might even be a record! :-)
Well, why don't you give me an example of an FNC reporter being suspended for inappropriate remarks, and a Fox comedian making significantly more offense comments weeks later.
As for Americans taking shots at ourselves, there are Imams and Muslim women right here in this country. Do you not consider them Americans? ns
The majority of Americans
February 24, 2008 - 23:09 ET by balboaThe majority of Americans are Christian, so people take most of their shots at them. I think people feel better taking shots at "the Big Guy."
I don't have an FNC example, but you would agree that some shows on Fox don't match up with the ethics of FNC, right?
B
February 24, 2008 - 23:18 ET by Noel SheppardB,
So, how do all those Jewish, black, and Polish jokes out there fit into your "I think people feel better taking shots at 'the Big Guy'" equation? Hmmm?
As for the differences in politics between Fox and FNC, maybe that makes Rupert Murdoch less of an ideologue than folks on the left avow. That said, you're the one that brought them up as having some relevance to this discussion. If you don't have an example of how, was this just a diversionary smokescreen on your part? :-) ns
You said there was hypocrisy
February 24, 2008 - 23:27 ET by balboaYou said there was hypocrisy by NBC for having a different policy for Shuster than they have for SNL.
It seems to me that Fox would then be hypocritical for being for wearing traditional values on its news sleeves but then showing the Family Guy, When Animals Attack, etc., on their entertainment side.
Jewish, black, and Polish jokes exist for different reasons. I didn't say ALL potshots are taken at the majority. I say we like to take them at the majority. Christianity is a big one. Thus, potshots.
B
February 24, 2008 - 23:35 ET by Noel SheppardB,
Yes, but blacks, Jews and Poles AREN'T in the majority. And, there are a HELLUVA LOT more Jewish, Polish, and black jokes than Christian ones, thereby totally destroying your point -- although I don't expect you to admit it.
Furthermore, this idea the left has of FNC and traditional values is similarly made moot by the extraordinary number of liberal commentators employed by the network that don't share such values.
Let's examine my thesis, shall we? For every Republican or conservative commentator you can name on any of the broadcast and cable news networks, I'll name a Democrat or liberal commentator on the one network that's supposed to be so biased to the right.
I bet you'll run out of names before I do. Care to play my game, or do you already know how badly you'll lose?
Much like Dr. Frank N. Furter, I'm breathless with antici........pation!!! :-) ns
there are a HELLUVA LOT
February 24, 2008 - 23:40 ET by balboathere are a HELLUVA LOT more Jewish, Polish, and black jokes than Christian ones, thereby totally destroying your point
How could you possibly know that for a fact? You can't.
As for FNC employing liberals, I'm sure they're expected to toe a certain company line when it comes to behavior, no? Something Seth McFarlane is not expected to adhere to.
B
February 24, 2008 - 23:47 ET by Noel SheppardB,
Now this has DEFINITELY become a waste of my time. Have a good evening. ns
Interesting that a "waste of
February 24, 2008 - 23:57 ET by balboaInteresting that a "waste of time" is whenever someone won't agree to your point of view.
Obtuse <=> Waste of Time
February 25, 2008 - 00:09 ET by CGatton"..."waste of time" is whenever someone won't agree..."
More like it's a waste of time when someone is being deliberately obtuse, lol.
R/
Clyde
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Noel...A decade ago when
February 26, 2008 - 01:02 ET by JerNoel...A decade ago when Fox News was just gaining a broadcast foothold based upon the ludicrous rationale that conservatives were not being given a voice on the other networks, you would have lost in a blowout playing this game.
Now, because of the demise of such shows as Capital Gang [Sat. and Sun.] Evans and Novak and Crossfire on CNN, Firing Line and Wall Street Week on PBS, and several conservative commentator crossovers to Fox [such as Krauthammer, Barnes, and Kristol], the score would be admittedly closer, but I think you would still lose.
Jer
Jer
February 26, 2008 - 09:47 ET by Noel SheppardJer,
Want to play with me? I'm game. You name a conservative commentator that is a regular contributor to MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, or PBS, and I will name a liberal that's a regular contributor to FNC. Any time you want to start, please send me a PM so that I know it's begun. This is because this thread is getting old, and will move off the front page soon.
I await your reply with great eagerness. ns
Noel...It would be
February 29, 2008 - 00:14 ET by JerNoel...It would be interesting, but I'm not sure if equitable rules can be established so the game will be "fair".
For example: Fox News Sunday has more or less a "permanenent" panel which includes two "liberals", Mora Liasson and Juan Williams. On the other hand, Meet The Press ["Hardball", too] utilizes a rotating list of "guest" panelists which include a number of conservative commentators. If I am allowed to include those guests, it skews the numbers in my favor, but if I'm not allowed to factor in those conservatuve voices in any manner, it favors you.
Also, I notice that Fox still has individuals such as Geraldine Ferraro listed on its contributor bios page, but I haven't seen her on the air in years. In contrast, Dick Morris isn't even listed, yet he appears several times a week.. And what about Greta van Susteren...she may be a Democrat and she does have her own show, but she doesn't do political commentary. And aside from his immigration views, the same could be said about Geraldo Rivera.
I think we would have a difficult time with the groundrules, but if we could come up with a reasonable compromise, I'd still be "game".
Jer
Jer
February 29, 2008 - 00:24 ET by Noel SheppardJer,
You're making this too complicated. I said regular contributors, not infrequent guests. Either you're up for it, or not. Obviously, it appears to be the latter, and I don't blame you, because you'll get creamed.
FNC has TWICE as many regular liberal contributors than ALL of the broadcast networks, PBS, and other cable nets have regular conservative contributors COMBINED!
If you don't believe me, start it out. C'mon. The only rules are that they have to be REGULAR CONTRIBUTORS listed as such at the various network websites.
You game. I am, and I'm LOADED for bear. :-) ns
Noel, if the guest
February 29, 2008 - 00:52 ET by JerNoel, if the guest panelists who appear as frequently as some of Fox's "regular" contributors are counted, you'll soon be begging for mercy.
Jer
Jer
February 29, 2008 - 01:21 ET by Noel SheppardJer,
Are they listed at the networks' websites as regular contributors? ns
Noel...I believe MSNBC
February 29, 2008 - 01:35 ET by JerNoel...I believe MSNBC website lists them as "frequent guest panelists" [on the Meet The Press info page] .
By the way, I couldn't find a Fox list of "regular contributors", but rather a long list of Fox "bios".
Jer
Noel & Jer
February 29, 2008 - 01:44 ET by MrShyLet me end this debate right here:
Jer, Fox News Channel is the closest thing to a source for real news, fair and balanced, of all the major network and cable news channels in this country. I say this country, because other countries do something really novel... a man or woman sits behind the desk and reads all the news items in front of them. No bloviating, gesticulating, let's-go-to-an-"expert", etc., they just report the news, and usually of things going on all over the globe.
Fox, for me, seems to do this on their basic news programs a lot more than any of those self-flatulating imposters like CNN, MSNBC, and the 6:30 shows on the big-3 nets. Way more.
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You and I must be watching
February 29, 2008 - 02:08 ET by JerYou and I must be watching different Fox News channels.
Jer
Jer
February 29, 2008 - 09:50 ET by Noel SheppardJer,
That's correct. They have a rather long list of bios. That makes these folks all paid members of FNC -- NOT infrequent guests like people that are on "Meet the Press" twice a year!
As such, I challenge you again. It's simple. You name a conservative that is listed as a network representative at CNN.com, MSNBC.com, ABCNews.com, CBSNews.com, NBCNews.com, or PBS.com, and for every one, I will name a liberal that is listed as a network representative at FoxNews.com. I say you'll run out first!
And, I'll have names to spare.
Pretty simple rules, Jer. I think even a fifth-grader would get them. :-)
You game, or realize you'll get destroyed? ns
Noel...so you get to
February 29, 2008 - 17:11 ET by JerNoel...so you get to include someone like Geraldine Ferraro who I don't believe has made an appearance on Fox in several years--or, if so, it has been extremely rare--while I am not allowed to list a frequent guest pundit who has made numerous appearances on another network during that same time period.
Find me a fifth grader who would consider that fair.
Jer
Jer
February 29, 2008 - 20:18 ET by Noel SheppardJer,
(Buzzer) Ferraro has made eighteen appearances on FNC in the past 24 months. Of course, this is only on the programs FNC transcribes, as unlike CNN, FNC only transcribes a handful of programs.
With that in mind, why don't we create a frequency minimum of once per month. And, as I have LexisNexis, I'll confirm this, and, hopefully, you'll trust me as a gentleman.
Jer, let me save you time: you'll get creamed. There are so few regular conservative contributors to the networks in question it's absurd, and you're really kidding yourself if you believe otherwise. ns
Eighteen? Wow, that is
February 29, 2008 - 23:05 ET by JerEighteen? Wow, that is surprising...At one time, she would appear on O'Reilly fairly often, but it has been a long time since I have seen her there. Obviously, she must be showing up on other Fox shows which I don't regularly watch.
I do trust you, so I'm prepared to be creamed. Do you want to flip a coin to see who leads?
Jer
Jer
March 1, 2008 - 00:06 ET by Noel SheppardJer,
Be my guest. However, why not post your first pick as a new comment to this thread so that we're not so squished to the right? And, when you do it, send me a PM so I know we're playing. Sound good?
Are we agreeing on a minimum of one appearance per month in the past 12 months (average)? Also, if I can identify libs that have been on FNC under that same criteria, but aren't listed at their website, do they count as well?
And, we're limiting this to commentators, not elected officials, candidates, campaign officials, etc., correct? ns
Noel...yes, yes, and
March 1, 2008 - 00:53 ET by JerNoel...yes, yes, and yes.
Jer
I had to get in on this one
March 2, 2008 - 07:55 ET by UphillI had to get in on this one word per line thing. It's good that I do not use big words.
B
February 24, 2008 - 23:28 ET by Noel SheppardB,
While you're tossing the seemingly requisite Fox News card at me, did you see what happened on "Fox and Friends" yesterday morning?
Can you imagine MSNBC allowing anybody on its network to disparage it in such a fashion, even a comedian?
Now THAT's what I call "Fair and Balanced!" How 'bout you? :-) ns
You mean can I imagine a
February 24, 2008 - 23:35 ET by balboaYou mean can I imagine a guest on MSNBC being cut off and the show quickly moving on to something else once the guest said something they didn't like?
Sure.
B
February 24, 2008 - 23:46 ET by Noel SheppardB,
I asked if you could imagine MSNBC HAVING such a guest on, not what they'd do after he spoke.
I must say that you're being extraordinarily evasive and circumlocuted with your debate technique this evening, my friend. First, you bring up Fox and FNC to suggest a comparison to what transpired on MSNBC and NBC without having an example to make your case. Now, I ask you a specific question about what happened on Fox News yesterday, and you toss back an irrelevancy.
Frankly, this is becoming a waste of time. ns
Yes, I can imagine having
February 24, 2008 - 23:56 ET by balboaYes, I can imagine having such a guest on.
You said there was hypocrisy between NBC's handling of Shuster and Fey, news and entertainment. I asked if that could be said of Fox, in the the way they espouse traditional values on news and their "eclectic" values of shows on their entertainment channel. I think that's a worthy comparison.
And you never answered my question as to who decides when a comedy bit is advocacy and when it's still comedy.
Noel...Well I had a post
February 24, 2008 - 23:58 ET by bigtimerNoel...
Well I had a post about ready to send after watching the clip you provided....and my local service went down for a few minutes or some such...
Of course msnbc would not allow any of this on their leftist arm of the party network if the situation was reversed...not for one second...and I know boa knows it too.
Btw...that Lee Camp is a regular riot...he'd better keep his day job if he has one...talk about a guy with an agenda...pathetic fool.
Noel... I know you aren't
February 24, 2008 - 23:02 ET by bigtimerNoel...
I know you aren't talking to me here...and we have had our own back and forths... but in this situation your post is dead on the mark...priceless really.
I was just patiently waiting for boa to reply to you before posting my own two cents.
Later...
BT
February 24, 2008 - 23:08 ET by Noel SheppardBT,
Well, I've been taking a lot of heat tonight. Maybe I should have stuck with just bitching about the Oprah remark! :-) ns
Share the Heat, It's Cold Here
February 24, 2008 - 23:35 ET by CGatton"...Maybe I should have stuck with just bitching about the Oprah remark!..."
lol...not really. Funny thing about free speech. It is virtually an all or nothing freedom, as long as it is responsible, and the choice of words cannot make responsible speech irresponsible. Responsiblity is connected to the content and framework, not the words used.
Wish I'd been here earlier, but I owed #6 son some time with dad.
V/R
Clyde
"...the aspirants to tyranny are either the...men of the state, who in democracies are demagogues,... or those who hold great offices, and have a long tenure.." - Aristotle, Politics, c350BC
Wrong Way Fey
February 24, 2008 - 19:22 ET by Crimsonfisted<blockquote>And you know what, bitches get stuff done. </blockquote>
You sure did, there, sister! You drove SNL into the dumper singlehandedly.
Good job!
WhatAMaroon
Wow, I guess yesterdays
February 24, 2008 - 19:22 ET by shawn228Wow, I guess yesterdays shows had something to offend just about everybody. This site was just praising SNL this morning
Shawn
February 24, 2008 - 19:27 ET by Noel SheppardShawn,
Actually, if you look at my update at the first SNL post today, you'll see that I was wondering whether or not that opening skit was more about bashing the media for not being on Hillary's bandwagon than chiding them for being on Barack's. Now, having seen and examined Fey's Clinton campaign speech, I think it's clear this was the former, and congratulations to SNL are no longer in order.
SNL last evening clearly was stumping for Hillary, don't you think? ns
Noel
February 24, 2008 - 19:32 ET by shawn228I'm actually p*ssed at Comcast. I had SNL on a season pass, and I thought it would automatically record. I guess the writers strike messed up the tapings and I missed yesterdays show.
From the clip you played, it does seem like they are stumping for Hillary.
Shawn
February 24, 2008 - 19:39 ET by Noel SheppardShawn,
I don't think it was an accident that the program began with a skit showing how much media were in the tank for Obama, and then 30 minutes later, Tina Fey did a campaign speech for Hillary. That's about as political as a comedy program can get, don't you think?
Furthermore, to Balboa, if SNL is going to become so obviously political that it's comfortable having Fey do a campaign speech, shouldn't the language in that speech be more governed by news standards than comedy standards?
Think about it. Once SNL last evening crossed the line from comedy to advocacy, the words they chose to advance their politics conceivably should rise to a higher standard than if they're just doing satire. Make sense? ns
How do you determine when
February 24, 2008 - 19:47 ET by balboaHow do you determine when that line is crossed?
Bal
February 25, 2008 - 01:18 ET by well99I was surprised that after Tina's speech there wasnt Hillary voice saying she approved this message.
"if SNL is going to
February 24, 2008 - 20:44 ET by QueenMum"if SNL is going to become so obviously political that it's comfortable having Fey do a campaign speech, shouldn't the language in that speech be more governed by news standards than comedy standards?"
No. SNL is, and always has been, about comedy. And the humor is frequently political in nature. That doesn't put the show in the same class as hard news.
Power to the people!
Voila.
February 24, 2008 - 20:47 ET by balboaVoila.
QM
February 24, 2008 - 22:08 ET by Noel SheppardQM,
I've been watching SNL since the first season. I never recall thinking that one of its regulars or guests did a campaign speech for a presidential candidate. Do you?
My point is that once you cross the line between comedy and advocacy -- which I now believe SNL and Fey clearly did last evening -- you should be held to a higher standard. Fey's WU monologue was not for jokes -- it was for votes. Once she became a Clinton advocate, she abdicated her ability to stand behind the "It's just comedy" veil. ns
Much ado about nothing, Noel
February 24, 2008 - 19:40 ET by QueenMumI didn't find the nun comments that offensive. In the context of the entire bit, the word "bitch" connotes a strong, aggressive female. Fey did engage in some stereotyping in her description of nuns. Come on. It was SNL. I think a comparison to the David Shuster comment is a bit of a stretch. "High ranking religious figures"? - What's that all about, Noel? Nuns are deserving of respect for the choice of their vocation. But they're certainly not considered "high ranking" in the Church hierarchy.
I also agree with nedpotter's comment. Fey is smart and funny.
Power to the people!
QM
February 24, 2008 - 19:42 ET by Noel SheppardQM,
Nuns aren't considered high ranking religious figures? As I'm not Catholic, I'd love some feedback on that subject from folks that are.
Forgive me, but as a non-Catholic, I always assumed nuns to be almost as highly regarded as priests. Or, have I watched too many Frank Capra movies. :-) ns
Catholics
February 24, 2008 - 20:01 ET by vaboxrboyI've even been an altar boy and yes, nuns can be bitches. My mom had one who beat her when she wore fingernail polish and called her a whore. I avoided the whacks, but have seen it first hand. Our priests also drink and curse. That's us- stereotypes come from truths.
We have a good sense of humor about those things although they have changed over the years. Let the church feign outrage over this issue if they want to, but I think Bill Donahue will get his normal spin out of this. Otherwise it's a non-issue.
And while I'm here, I am so sick and tired of people who aren't
Catholic getting all bent out of shape about jokes on this end. Hey, we put ourselves out there with our fish on Friday and clothing that nuns and priests wear. Even going out every Ash Wednesday and having folks say, "Hey, you have dirt on your forehead." We have accepted it and keep going. I'd advise the rest of you to leave it to us to say when lines are crossed and as of yet there has been nothing to move us to boycotts or any other forms of mass protests.
Mass protest
February 24, 2008 - 20:04 ET byis that when Teddy K is refused communion for his abotion stance?
No Poofdas
Hey I'm not Catholic but I
February 24, 2008 - 20:07 ET by bigtimerHey I'm not Catholic but I lean that way for personal reasons...I found it very offensive and disrespectful right off the bat...not one bit funny in my view...especially since this was an obvious political plug for Hillary.
We all see things differently that is for sure.
BT
February 24, 2008 - 20:10 ET byhaving been raised in the Epispocal church i can attest:
Where ever you find four Episcopalians you'll always find a fifth!
No Poofdas
Evening
February 24, 2008 - 20:12 ET by bigtimerEvening botg....
ROFLMAO!
I think we need that humor right about now...thanks...you sure got me laughing.
VB
February 24, 2008 - 21:58 ET by Noel SheppardVB,
So, are you suggesting that only folks that belong to a particular faith, religious group, or demographic in this nation should be allowed to comment about the treatment of such?
In your view, only Jewish people should be entitled to discuss Jewish issues and what's going on in Israel, for example? And, only black folks should write about black issues, and only Hispanics should opine about Hispanic matters, etc.?
Isn't that rather preposterous? Are you suggesting that I as a white person can't be offended and comment about racism? Or I as a Judeo-Christian non-Catholic should have no opinion about sacrileges I perceive being committed against Catholicism? We should have completely segregated journalists that can only write about the demographic group they belong to in your view?
Furthermore, all because some female members of a group behave as bitches, does it make it acceptable to generalize about the entire group on national televisions? You say that from your experience, nuns can be bitches. Does that make them all bitches, and acceptable for someone to assert such?
To paint this picture more clearly, my daughter can act like a bitch sometime. However, if you called her a bitch in my presence, you wouldn't feel comfortable talking for a few days. Make sense? ns
Yeah, it sucks, but I'll stick to my point of view...
February 25, 2008 - 01:27 ET by vaboxrboyYou may discuss anything you want really, but I personally don't like to be told that I should be offended when it's something that's particular to me. The comment about the nuns was funny to me, and for someone who doesn't understand about nuns and our culture to say that "we" are being attacked is something that I'm not comfortable with. And no, I don't go around telling protestants or Jews, or even women what should offend them like I know for sure.
I'll gladly tell you if/when things have gone too far as far as anything that's particular to me is concerned.
And of course if some are, not all are of anything. That's just grade school rhetoric.
The show and comment were quite funny.
My grandmother went to
February 25, 2008 - 13:52 ET by Hero SquadMy grandmother went to Catholic school, where one of the practices was to punish left-handed people by smacking them on the hand with a ruler whenever they wrote with their left hand. She was left handed, but eventually acquiesced and continues to write with her right hand.
My mother, also left-handed, went to Catholic school, where the same practice took place, though I believe to a lesser degree. Mom persevered and remains to this day a lefty.
Mom decided not to send me to Catholic school. I believe this practice has largely been abandoned, but I think its indicative of why people who went to Catholic school laugh loudest and longest at authoritarian nun jokes.
*****
"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
Post a list please
February 25, 2008 - 01:13 ET by well99Of what we can get bent out of shape on.I must of missed the news on the suspension of the 1st amendment.Guess I need to spend more time watching the news.The Debate aint over.
Noel: Nuns and priests have
February 24, 2008 - 20:11 ET by QueenMumNoel: Nuns and priests have their own places within the Church, but generally a priest holds more authority. For example, the priest is given the authority of confessor. The CC is still primarily a patriarchal institution. It's possible for a priest to move up the ranks in the church hierarchy - Monsignor, Bishop, Archbishop, Cardinal, Pope. Not so for nuns.
Perhaps it was nit-picking. But to refer to nuns in general as "high ranking religious figures" is a poor choice of words. I believe that you meant to suggest that because of the dedication of their lives to God, that they are deserving of special respect.
P.S. In re: to Fey's performance, is it possible that she was actually dissing Hillary by presenting herself as a supporter in the way that she did? Maybe I just think more like a girl than you do. But I just don't see overt campaigning for Hillary in Fey's bit.
Power to the people!
Howdy Queen... I think
February 24, 2008 - 20:15 ET by bigtimerHowdy Queen...
I think this is the first time you and I have disagreed...
I'm a gal and the way I saw it I did think Fey was defineately hucking for Hill.
That's okay, bt. I just
February 24, 2008 - 20:25 ET by QueenMumThat's okay, bt. I just can't get all that upset about a bit on SNL. Do you remember "Laugh In"? Talk about overtly political. But it was funny, no matter what your political persuasion.
Power to the people!
QM
February 24, 2008 - 20:34 ET by shawn228I am not even close be being conservative, but that was a big plug for HRC
Queen...Ahhh the
February 24, 2008 - 20:42 ET by bigtimerQueen...
Ahhh the memories...of course I remember Laugh-In....there is a big difference though with what Fey said while intentionally plugging for Hillary regarding the nuns to me.
Now I know that is just me...we all do see things differently, I just found it disgraceful, you do not need to do that to get your point across that you (Fey) and Hillary are proud bitches with power in your own minds for the time being that is...just leave the nuns out of it...I found it very tasteless and very offensive...had me bristling.
JMHO....
Laugh In
February 24, 2008 - 22:48 ET by CobraManI don't know what version you watched, but I don't remember any profanity being said on Laugh In. It may have been political satire, but didn't resort to the use of profanity for laughs. The closest Laugh In got to profanity was "the Fickle Finger of Fate." The writers were a lot better in those days, I guess.
high ranking nuns
February 24, 2008 - 21:25 ET by dans0622The comment by QM is basically right, although I don't care for the term "patriarchal." There is a basic difference between high regard and high rank. Generally speaking, a Catholic (and others) would hold a nun/sister in high regard because of what her life is supposed to symbolize--the life of Jesus, who was celibate, poor and obedient as well symbolizing our eternal life in heaven where we are united with the Lord. The same is true for a monk or friar.
But, these "religious" people are not part of the hierarchy of the Church. Ordination is what enables a person (a man) to be part of the hierarchical structure and thus have a certain "rank." I could give some references to Canon Law but that might be a bit much.
Nuns
February 24, 2008 - 22:41 ET by KC MulvilleI was taught by the Sisters of Mercy, which is a misnomer, because they had none. Sister Bridget Mary told my mother that I should be beaten more often (she just took it for granted that as a good Irish boy, I was being beaten regularly). But you know what? These were wonderful women and they did a great job. I am forever grateful to them.
As for Tina Fey's remarks, I actually took them to be something of a compliment. I think she really meant to say that the nuns were tough, and they certainly were. Nothing wrong with that. And Fey is right -- tough meant successful. I'll gladly stack my education up against anyone's, and the nuns never pandered to me at all. They taught me that reality is tough sometimes, and we need to be tough to live in it.
Does that make them bitches? In the old days, "bitch" meant narcissistic and selfish. These days it seems to mean just "tough." I think that's what Fey was trying to say, that nuns were women who were actually tough. If that's what she meant, I'll agree to that. But they were women all the same, and the nuns who taught me were never narcissistic or selfish. Far from it, they were paragons of unselfish service. But they were tough -- and God bless them for it.
"Sisters of Mercy, which is
February 25, 2008 - 00:35 ET by stratman"Sisters of Mercy, which is a misnomer, because they had none"
Had a chuckle from that one KC.
I've worked at two Sisters of Mercy hospitals. They accepted all regardless of payor status or condition (except requests for euthanasia, abortion, and birth control in the old days). These institutions were not the most fit financially but they were places anyone could receive good medical care.
The nuns in the hospitals could be a bit intimidating, but they were there for the patient when the chips were down. I respected them.
RRAM Tough!
Nuns?
February 24, 2008 - 21:44 ET by catnamedjakeNevermind the nun stuff, those are old jokes. What about the "vote for whoever Oprah tells them to" and "b***h is the new black"? are you kidding me? sounds racist to me. I bet Michelle Obama isn't very proud of her "liberated" sister Tina right about now. Yeah satire ha.....ha.....ha. She wasn't kidding.
The Oprah comment wasn't
February 24, 2008 - 21:49 ET by balboaThe Oprah comment wasn't made because she's black.
When I first heard "bitch is the new black" I thought of how people say "Pink is the new black," in reference to clothing.
But if it's "bitch is the new African-American," I don't really know what that means...?
I think "b**ch is the new
February 24, 2008 - 22:20 ET by motherbeltI think "b**ch is the new black" means that now it's "in" to be a b**ch. You know. the "basic, goes with everything, black" that everyone should have.
Right, mb, that's what I
February 24, 2008 - 22:21 ET by balboaRight, mb, that's what I meant with the clothing line.
so Mother and Bal
February 24, 2008 - 22:40 ET bydoes this mean all women need that
'little bitch dress' ????????
No Poofdas
Seems to work for
February 24, 2008 - 22:47 ET by balboaSeems to work for Coulter.
ZING! POW! Thank you, try the veal.
i don't know, was that
February 24, 2008 - 23:00 ET byi don't know, was that terrible?
No Poofdas
Haha. "Boo!! Booo! That was
February 24, 2008 - 23:02 ET by balboaHaha.
"Boo!! Booo! That was awful!"
"Well it wasn't really that bad."
"I kinda liked it."
"Bravo! Bravo!"
definately
February 24, 2008 - 23:06 ET byLove Canal sidestreet lounge calibre
No Poofdas
Huh?
February 24, 2008 - 21:48 ET by Tom1969caRonald Reagan turned into an old lady? I don't remember that...
Besides which, it's already happened to Hillary. (Set down beverages and swallow whatever's in your mouth before clicking link.)
~~~
I admire FDR for not insisting on getting the approval of France and Germany before going to war.
--Anne Coulter
Ewwww!
February 24, 2008 - 21:56 ET by sentforth5Some coke came outta my nose because I did not heed your warning!
sentforth
February 24, 2008 - 22:06 ET bybeverage warnings are always to be headed around here, your keyboard will thank you
No Poofdas
She is a sad old woman
February 24, 2008 - 21:59 ET by CrimsonfistedShe is a sad old woman isn't she.
WhatAMaroon
Crimson... A seething sad
February 24, 2008 - 22:04 ET by bigtimerCrimson...
A seething sad old woman now just about now...
You can tell it in her voice these days too at times.
it's a wash
February 24, 2008 - 22:04 ET by JWFThe opening skit was an absolutely vicious swipe at all the reporters that are in the bag for Obama.
Outside of us wingnuts that watch Fox News, this message is not getting across to the public at large.
Hopefully Tina's girl Hillary won't make it to the Big Showdown after the conventions and people will remember the Obama bit.
Is Saturday Night Live still on?
February 25, 2008 - 01:01 ET by jefflebowskiI quit watching SNL years ago as it began to be quite painful to watch. It was truly sad to see what had happened to a once great show. Question - is Tina Fey supposed to be funny? The few times I caught her doing the news...it was almost embarrassing for her because her punch lines were not funny. Kind of like Norm McDonald. Painful!
I really never watch anything on the networks anymore. They all make me sick.
They should really change
February 25, 2008 - 05:26 ET by Jack BauerThey should really change the name to
I actually liked Norm
February 25, 2008 - 06:09 ET by ArchConservativeI actually liked Norm McDonald's news. It was the best part of the show.
I'm with you on Norm. And
February 25, 2008 - 11:30 ET by Hero SquadI'm with you on Norm. And it seems as if he's actually got a conservative bent to him, from what I've heard when he filled in for Dennis Miller's radio show recently.
I wonder what Mike Huckabee thought when he was sitting offstage while Tina Fey did her bit? Actually I thought Huckabee's segment was kind of funny, in a deliberately uncomfortable way.
Fey's monologue with Steve Martin was pretty good (slapping her three times, and other stuff). When she said she hoped that the crew wasn't upset with writers for going on strike, then got smacked in the head with the microphone... that was pretty good.
How interesting that a caucasian cast member has gotten the Obama gig.
*****
"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
The only black guy on the
February 25, 2008 - 11:42 ET by balboaThe only black guy on the cast is too heavy to play Obama. There's a rumor that they're looking to add a guy who could play Obama.
Actually, I thought Fred
February 25, 2008 - 12:09 ET by Hero SquadActually, I thought Fred Armisen did a pretty good job with it. Yes Keenan is a bit husky for the role. Finesse Mitchell might have been able to do it, but they fired him two years ago.
Wouldn't be the first time for this; Darrell Hammond regularly plays Jesse Jackson. Of course, he can play anybody.
*****
"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
I thought Fred was good,
February 25, 2008 - 13:13 ET by balboaI thought Fred was good, but his voice isn't deep enough.
Hammond is unreal. Love his Phil Donahue.
I'm with you jeff...about
February 25, 2008 - 06:16 ET by JerI'm with you jeff...about SNL and networks in general. Except that I feel more "bored" than "sick".
Jer
Women today feel perfectly
February 25, 2008 - 05:24 ET by Jack BauerSo Ms Fey is really pissed off that they don't feel perfectly free to make whatever choice Ms Fey tells them. And Ms Fey is so "hilarious" I bet she wrote Hillary's wildly funny and successful Xerox line, how's that working out for her campaign?
You'll note that people like Fey (rich, successful, unlimited free use of public air-waves for their propaganda) are only concerned about which rich, successful person gets to tell the "little people" what to do and think. And by that token she isn't in the Oprah league of "persuasion", so that's gotta hurt.
Doncha love liberals? They just love telling the rest of us what to think. And they are so judgmental too.
XEROX THAT!
→ I'm lovin' it Jack
February 25, 2008 - 05:31 ET by Cool ArrowHere's a Liblefty telling women how to feeeel. Who to love.
She's talking to the same group who listened to Gloria Steinem when she said a man should be able to grope strangers up to the point they say "I feel uncomfortable with this".
♣ a seal
Sure that's just what
February 25, 2008 - 05:43 ET by Jack BauerSure that's just what America needs to change too... an angry, embittered, paranoid little old woman with delusions of competency.
Hillary Millhouse Clinton.. almost the female Nixon except he did get some things done.
→ Jack
February 25, 2008 - 06:23 ET by Cool Arrowan angry, embittered, paranoid little old woman with delusions of competency.
Who says we can't handle the truth?
♣ a seal
Hillary is not a bitch.
February 25, 2008 - 06:07 ET by ArchConservativeActually, bitch is too good a word for Hillary. I was thinking more along the lines of a Hanoi Jane-type word that begins with "C" ends with "T" and has a "UN" in the middle (how appropriate). Now THAT describes her better than anything Tina Fey said.
You support the troops by supporting the mission! If you don't support the mission, have the guts to say you don't support the troops.
This is sooooo typical of the left
February 25, 2008 - 08:21 ET by c5thenWhen it comes down to it, it has nothing to do about the individual person and their accomplishemnts, plans, failures, etc. Nope. It all comes down to what group do they belong to. This is the heart of bigotry and prejudice.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.
I just knew Fey was going
February 25, 2008 - 08:41 ET by BuxomAnnieMcGreggorI just knew Fey was going to go off on a rant at the onset of her comments. She said something or other about "for the first time" we have a woman in the mix to choose from.... I guess Liz Dole didn't count for much a decade ago when she ran! Did anyone else catch that? I have no problem with the idea of a woman leading this country... I just don't believe B*tch Clinton is truly up for the task. (nor B*tch Obama...come to think of it).
My point about this is... how can any of us trust a liberal who says they want to lead us into the future... when they can't even remember (or acknowledge) a simple truth from a decade ago?
Life can be a real b*tch... so why vote for one?
One doesn't need to look
February 25, 2008 - 17:51 ET by stratmanOne doesn't need to look any further back than this current election cycle: Cynthia McKinney running for POTUS as the Green Party candidate.
Furthermore, the so-called intellectual Fey ignores all the women that have run for POTUS in our history, walking on their backs to give praise to Clinton.
I surely would enjoy seeing Shirley Chisholm rise up and open up a can of whup-ass on the boney behind of Fey. Would be better than Screech versus Horshack celebrity boxing.
RRAM Tough!
But how many of those
February 25, 2008 - 19:25 ET by balboaBut how many of those previous women were serious threats to get the nomination or win the election?
Counting Hillary? None.
February 25, 2008 - 20:53 ET by fitzfongCounting Hillary? None.
So then why should Fey
February 25, 2008 - 21:26 ET by balboaSo then why should Fey reference them.
Or Hillary, for that matter?
February 26, 2008 - 00:45 ET by fitzfongOr Hillary, for that matter?
SNL still stinks
February 25, 2008 - 14:54 ET by ammo johnI haven't watched SNL in years! But, I did watch a few minutes this past weekend during commercial breaks from MadTV (which is way funnier). Yep, SNL's skits are still stupid. I was waiting to get a chuckle out of something, but, nope!
Huckabee
February 25, 2008 - 15:47 ET by Hero SquadHuckabee on Weekend Update was kind of funny. Mainly because he played it straight.
"Fortunately, Seth, I'm not a math guy. I'm more of a miracle guy."
I think it's interesting to note that Huckabee was sitting only a few feet away when Fey did her Hillary Shuffle.
*****
"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
Maybe he appeared to
February 25, 2008 - 16:12 ET by balboaMaybe he appeared to balance out Fey's "advocacy."
Hey boa.... You
February 26, 2008 - 00:10 ET by bigtimerHey boa....
You finally saw the light!
...took you long enough...
LMAO!
It was so nice of Tina Fey
February 25, 2008 - 17:36 ET by fitzfongIt was so nice of Tina Fey to appear again on Saturday Night Live. After all, since she and that other "talent" Jimmy Fallon sucked the remaining life out of this once great show, it was just good manners for her to come back and pick at the corpse.
Everything Tina says is
February 25, 2008 - 23:51 ET byEverything Tina says is tongue and cheek, just like Dan Aykroyd calling Jane Curtin "ignorant, misguided slut."
Dan always took the conservative view, while Jane made liberal point.
It all comedy, not the real news like Shuster reads.
Welcome back Fatewebb!
February 25, 2008 - 23:55 ET by Free StinkerWelcome back Fatewebb! Not!
Pledge to not support RINOs ever again!