One of the cornerstones of climate alarmism is that global warming is causing stronger, more destructive tropical storms.
If you don't believe me, just ask the Global Warmingist-in-Chief Al Gore.
Well, on Thursday, the National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration issued a press release that should make the Nobel Prize committee demand Gore immediately return his award and their money.
As reported by Anthony Watts moments ago:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - February 21, 2008*** NEWS FROM NOAA ***
NATIONAL OCEANIC & ATMOSPHERIC ADMINISTRATION U. S. DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE WASHINGTON, DC
Contact: Dennis Feltgen, NOAA 305-229-4404Increased Hurricane Losses Due to More People,
Wealth Along Coastlines, Not Stronger Storms, New Study SaysA team of scientists have found that the economic damages from hurricanes have increased in the U.S. over time due to greater population, infrastructure, and wealth on the U.S. coastlines, and not to any spike in the number or intensity of hurricanes.
“We found that although some decades were quieter and less damaging in the U.S. and others had more land-falling hurricanes and more damage, the economic costs of land-falling hurricanes have steadily increased over time,” said Chris Landsea, one of the researchers as well as the science and operations officer at NOAA’s National Hurricane Center in Miami. “There is nothing in the U.S. hurricane damage record that indicates global warming has caused a significant increase in destruction along our coasts.”
The paper in question was written by Roger A. Pielke Jr., Joel Gratz, Christopher W. Landsea, Douglas Collins, Mark A. Saunders, and Rade Musulin.
Think journalists are busily studying this report so that they can share the great news with the citizenry on this evening's broadcasts and in tomorrow's papers?
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Al: They're all deniers I
February 21, 2008 - 18:33 ET by tracheostomyAl: They're all deniers I tell you! You'll have to take my awards out of my cold; globally warmed, cold dead hands! Oprah, I'm serial!
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Global Warming Not Causing More Destructive Hurricanes
February 21, 2008 - 18:39 ET by R D HelmThat wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that there is no actual "global warming," now would it?
Those who hop in bed with Ted should not expect the votes of those who supported Fred.
I've learned more in the
February 21, 2008 - 18:44 ET by tracheostomyI've learned more in the past 48 hours or so on this than I have in quite a stretch. I'm also looking for more details about this talk about apparently dissolving the IPCC. I lost the thread on that one.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
trach,
February 21, 2008 - 18:51 ET by R D HelmI lost the thread on that one.
I hope you find it. Any talk of pulling the plug on the IPCC interests me greatly.
Now if we could just figure out a way to do the same with the UN. One battle at a time, I guess.
Those who hop in bed with Ted should not expect the votes of those who supported Fred.
RD
February 21, 2008 - 18:55 ET by tracheostomyI had just woke up and was carelessly browsing comments.
Someone stated they were an engineer and it was a real long post. I zeroed in on it, because I prefer long posts if the writing is coherent, specified, and logical. Those usually end up with the most information.
But I forgot who posted it. =(
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Disbanding the IPCC
February 22, 2008 - 01:11 ET by PopularTechHere are some good articles on the subject:
Why the IPCC should be disbanded (Science & Public Policy Institute)
Digging up the roots of the IPCC (Spiked, UK)
IPCC too blinkered and corrupt to save (Financial Post, Canada)
Misplaced Trust - Inconvenient truths about the UN’s global warming panel (The Wall Street Journal)
Not So Dire After All (S. Fred Singer, Ph.D. Physics, The New York Sun)
The IPCC Should Leave Science to Scientists (The American Thinker)
And if you have not seen these yet, watch these videos:
Censored Global Warming Videos
The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource
They were paid off by big
February 21, 2008 - 18:45 ET by ApacheThey were paid off by big oil, they must be those evil christians we hear so much about, global warming causes people to spend more on beach property, NOAA is a republican organization with ties to Bush, Haliburton Haliburton Haliburton, YOUR A LIAR. *sticking fingers in ear*
My impression of the liberal reply.
"The paper in question was
February 21, 2008 - 18:55 ET by chessplayer"The paper in question was written by Roger A. Pielke Jr., Joel Gratz, Christopher W. Landsea,"
Pielke and Landsea. Have`nt the warmist alarmists accused them of being in the pocket of Exxon?
If they haven't yet, it
February 21, 2008 - 19:04 ET by ckc1227If they haven't yet, it won't be long.
Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for someone to show me how hiding the destruction of the earth while knowingly contributing to it helps Exxon...
What was funny was david
February 21, 2008 - 19:04 ET by ApacheWhat was funny was david Suzuki gave a speech were he basically claimed the skeptics were all in the pocket of corporations. He claimed he had no such source of funding. Well not only did he receive funding from corporations, they were some of the same corporations. So that was silly as well as believing that scaring money out of the tax payer makes you more noble than those who can get it from the private sector.
" David Suzuki Foundation
February 21, 2008 - 20:49 ET by danbo" David Suzuki Foundation also received donations from EnCana Corporation, a world leader in natural gas production and oil sands development, ATCO Gas, Alberta's principle distributor of natural gas, and a number of pension funds including the OPG (Ontario Power Generation) Employees' and Pensioners' Charity Trust. OPG is one of the largest suppliers of electricity in the world operating 5 fossil fuel-burning generation plants and 3 nuclear plants... which begs the question - is Suzuki now pro-nuclear power?"
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STUPID NOAA!!
February 21, 2008 - 18:55 ET by OldSailor88It's Bush's fault!! There won't be any hurricanes when there's a Democrat in office!
Stultus est sicut stultus facit
It's funny how the media by
February 21, 2008 - 19:09 ET by 10ksnookerIt's funny how the media by use of omission try to control the public's view of the world. The problem for the media is they are not likely to be around much longer.
I turned the drive bys off completely a few months back, you would be surprised how your view of the world changes when you can just cruise the net and get your news from the sources.
It is obvious
February 21, 2008 - 19:11 ET by DelsaThe warm-mongers are at it again!
Well, D'Oh
February 21, 2008 - 19:15 ET by BlondeA team of scientists have found that the economic damages from hurricanes have increased in the U.S. over time due to greater population, infrastructure, and wealth on the U.S. coastlines, and not to any spike in the number or intensity of hurricanes.
Wonder how many decades it will be until this is cited in the MsM? Oh, wait....Katrina wasn't mentioned. Never mind.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Coming attractions from the nutroots
February 21, 2008 - 19:24 ET by nkviking75I can hear it already:
"This is a government agency under the thumb of the Chimpy McBushhitler administration, and we all know how they supress real science to protect their oil buddies."
Trust me. It's coming.
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
Damage Levels Aside . . .
February 21, 2008 - 19:26 ET by Junk Science SkepticDamage levels aside, the aspect of warmer temperatures that never seems to make it into any of the gorebull stories about warmer water increasing the strength of hurricanes, is the pesky little detail that warmer air temperatures and the resulting changes to wind shear actually inhibit hurricane formation in the first place.
So even if gorebull warming did exist, it wouldn't have a specific, repeatable effect on hurricanes.
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Hurricanes are born on land
February 21, 2008 - 19:26 ET by Lame CherryHurricanes are born on African land in lo pressure systems spawned in the heartland. Dust has been a factor in the atmosphere, but the lo pressure systems entering the Atlantic are not lining up as in previous years.
Hurricanes are no fueled by moisture alone nor earth based heat. The Sun is what drives hurricanes once they spawn off of Africa. No one is looking at the upper atmopshere in conjunction with lift and constriction which hurricanes feed on. Just like tornadeos require absolute perfect conditions, hurricanes require almost as much perfect conditions to feed as they actually start shifting the jet stream.
If for example as I have shown in snows being formed quicker as ice snow now instead of crystals which the "scientists" are refusing to look at, that the vapors in hurricanes are shifting faster and higher it would mean that hurricanes due to the sun heating certain bandwidths are actually by exposing itself to cold conditions in the upper atmosphere blowing the heat out which it requires in moisture to feed and grow. Hurricanes are literally raining or cooling on their own parade.
It is a beautiful complex system, more so than scientists have observed, because they are basing their data on the near perfect conditions the earth has had to spawn storms. A new cycle is in effect and new things are occuring.
What for example is the effect if more vapor is retained in the atmosphere? Will earth start to mimic the traditional Bible accounts of mists watering the earth?
I do love it though when God makes fools out of all these predictions made by high priced scientists. They can not predict the weather a week from today and they certainly have limits on their understanding of hurricane generation.
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Global Warming?
February 21, 2008 - 22:00 ET by SnappyC,mon folks, of course Global warming has nothing to due with it..... Now "Climate Change" on the other hand.................
And if you have any questions, just ask the former
February 21, 2008 - 23:03 ET by Cape ConservativeArmy typist who left the Army early to go to seminary school who left seminary school early to run for office...the know-it-all head of climate information distribution - after all, if he can invent the internet, he can certainly oversee the debate - Oops...I forgot, the debate is OVER! RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RETURN the Nobel award, AG - you didn't deserve it when you received it, and every day that passes it is proven even moreso that you should never have even been considered!!!
Climate Change...
February 22, 2008 - 12:46 ET by Wildcatter1980...will become the new "catch-phrase" of the AGW alarmists. Why? Because their old accusations and prognostications will not be coming true forcing them to "shift gears" to keep everyone on edge and keep themselves in the spotlight.
Just my $0.02
How Long?
February 21, 2008 - 22:58 ET by pbthinkerHow long has it taken these great scientific minds to come up with this? It's pretty obvious that this would be the case. Having lived in Florida, for the past 24 years, I can tell you how much building has gone on. If the storms we had, 3 years ago, had gone through 20 years earlier, the blue tarp business wouldn't have been 1/2 of what it was.
Democrats: Stuck on Stupid since 2000.
Well, duh
February 22, 2008 - 00:21 ET by Dr_LibertyOf course global warming isn't causing more dangerous hurricanes...
it only kills polar bears and you can't find polar bears in Florida.
(But Global Warming won't take care of those little rodents on my property that the Sierra Club seems to think are important).
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Actually, Al Gore doesn't
February 22, 2008 - 12:30 ET by cleverpigActually, Al Gore doesn't think that global warming is causing stronger hurricanes to hit the US. He thinks it will.
Yes, he showed pictures of hurricane Katrina when discussing the issue in An Inconvenient Truth. The reason he showed pictures of Katrina is because he was making a movie, where you need pictures on the screen while you are talking, and due to the unfortunately linear structure of our time-space continuum he doesn't have any pictures of hurricanes that will hit the US in the future. He wasn't blaming Katrina on global warming. That was pretty clear to me when I watched it, but it was obviously not clear to everyone.
I did a little reading on this the last time the hurricane issue came up here, and as far as I can tell there is widespread agreement among climate scientists that increases in surface sea temperature should cause more energetic storms. It's simple physics. Whether that means stronger storms, or more small storms, or whether any of them hit land is subject to a whole host of variables that no one can predict yet.
Given that, I think a prediction that hurricanes will get worse is entirely reasonable. Blaming any one nasty storm on global warming, though, will pretty much always make you look silly. The way the weather media (which I swear didn't exist ten years ago) has been covering major weather events recently has been bugging me at least as much as it's been bugging you guys!
Al Gore deliberately and intentionally Propagandized Katrina
February 22, 2008 - 12:52 ET by PopularTechThere is no question Al Gore directly implied in his movie that Katrina was the result of Global Warming. He did it deliberately and intentionally to propaganize his anti-CO2 crusade. There is also no question that millions now believe something that has absolutely no basis in scientific fact. Wanting something to be true does not make it so. There is no scientific evidence that "global warming" (+0.6c over 100 years) has increased hurricane intensity or frequency.
Hurricanes - (2006) What Hurricane Season? (FOXNews)
Hurricanes - (2007) Light Hurricane Season (American Thinker)
Hurricanes - Calmer Weather: The Spin on Greenhouse Hurricanes (Robert C. Balling Jr., Ph.D. Professor of Climatology)
Hurricanes - Counting Atlantic Tropical Cyclones Back to 1900 (PDF) (Christopher W. Landsea Ph.D. Atmospheric Science)
"Researchers cannot assume that the Atlantic tropical cyclone database presents a complete depiction of frequency of events before the advent of satellite imagery in the mid-1960s. Moreover, newly available advanced tools and techniques are also contributing toward monitoring about one additional Atlantic tropical cyclone per year since 2002. Thus large, long-term ‘trends’ in tropical cyclone frequency are primarily manifestations of increased monitoring capabilities and likely not related to any real change in the climate in which they develop."
Hurricanes - Experts: Global Warming Didn't Cause Katrina (NewsMax)
Hurricanes - Global Warming Increases Wind Shear, Reduces Hurricanes, Climate Model Shows (Science Daily)
Hurricanes - Global Warming and Hurricanes (PDF) (William M. Gray, M.S. Meteorology, Ph.D. Geophysical Sciences)
"Global hurricane frequency and/or intensity has not been observed to undergo any significant trends as a result of the global warming of the last 30 years for frequency and for the last 20 years for intensity"
Hurricanes - Global warming 'not linked' to typhoons (The Daily Telegraph, UK)
Hurricanes - Hurricanes and Climate Change: Assessing the Linkages Following the 2006 Season (PDF) (William M. Gray, M.S. Meteorology, Ph.D. Geophysical Sciences)
Hurricanes - Hurricanes and Hot Air (William M. Gray, M.S. Meteorology, Ph.D. Geophysical Sciences)
Hurricanes - Hurricane Center: Global Warming Equals Fewer Storms (NewsMax)
Hurricanes - Hurricane Hysteria (Patrick J. Michaels, Ph.D. Ecological Climatology)
Hurricanes - Link between climate change and tropical cyclone intensity: more research necessary (World Meteorological Organization)
"A consensus of 125 of the world’s leading tropical cyclone researchers and forecasters says that no firm link can yet be drawn between ...climate change and variations in the intensity and frequency of tropical cyclones."
Hurricanes - Monster Hurricanes: Study Questions Linkage Between Severe Hurricanes And Global Warming (Science Daily)
Hurricanes - Natural Climate Changes Can Intensify Hurricanes More Efficiently Than Global Warming (Science Daily)
Hurricanes - Record year for hurricanes part of a natural cycle (USA Today)
Hurricanes - Recent Hurricanes Not Caused by Warming, Scientists Conclude (The Heartland Institute)
Hurricanes - Scientist doubts warming-hurricane link (United Press International)
Hurricanes - Scientists: Early Tropical Storm Not Due to Global Warming (FOXNews)
Hurricanes - The Deadliest, Costliest and Most Intense United States Tropical Cyclones From 1851 to 2006 (PDF) (Christopher W. Landsea Ph.D. Atmospheric Science)
Hurricanes - Tropical Cyclone Data Tape For the North Atlantic Basin, 1886-1983 (NOAA)
"...until organized reconnaissance began in 1944, the two major sources of information on tropical cyclones were land stations and ships at sea. Undoubtedly, during this early period some storms went undetected."
Hurricanes - Warming not behind hurricane activity: forecaster (Reuters)
Hurricanes - Warmer Ocean Could Reduce Number Of Atlantic Hurricane Landfalls (Science Daily)
The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource
Ahh yes.. I've noticed that
February 22, 2008 - 17:28 ET by JerryAhh yes.. I've noticed that most predictors of doom and gloom prefer the "rolling 10 year" path to destruction. Year after year, decade after decade, their sermon is the same.. "In 10 years the oceans will be dead".. "In 10 years the ice caps will be gone".. "In 10 years the coast will be underwater"... "In 10 years hurricanes will DESTROY the world".
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).