For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: Is there a delicious "Florida Recount Debacle II" developing in the Democrat presidential nomination process that Republicans have to be secretly hoping for?
This time out, many party leaders are concerned, including Howard Dean. Given the tightness of the race and, likely, its inevitable yet unprecedented racial or gender disappointment, the Democratic National Committee Chair fears a "big fight at the convention" should no clear nominee arise by April.
Wouldn't it be an exquisite poetic justice if Democrats -- who for years have depicted George W. Bush as having stolen the presidency with the help of the Supreme Court, and have continually called for the abolition of the Electoral College -- allowed the Clintons to "procedurally" steal the nomination from Barack Obama who could actually have more chosen delegates and more popular votes at the time of the convention?
Is this scenario possible nay likely? If it happens, what would it do to the Democrat Party, and how would it impact the election?
Comments Policy
If that happens, there will
February 13, 2008 - 11:15 ET by motherbeltIf that happens, while they are arguing about the Super Delegates, there will certainly be a huge fight over seating those Florida delgates who were denied because they held their primaries too early. Instead of "Count every vote!!" the cry will be "Seat every delegate!!"
The the Clintons, rules are just tools...to be used for their convenience and benefit.
It will be "delicious" indeed, to watch them fight to maintain the inviolable sanctity of one rule, while arguing for the overturning of another.
You really can't make this stuff up!
Oh, yeah, start making the popcorn....
Then McCain can pick Obama
February 13, 2008 - 11:27 ET by mattmThen McCain can pick Obama as his running mate, and the election will be between La Clintona-Nostra and a pair of Libs...and a third-party Libertarian/Conservative ticket (Thompson/Paul?) will split the difference and win it all....
(A guy can dream, can't he?)
Prefer Mike & Ike's
February 13, 2008 - 11:27 ET by Gat New YorkHillary has to be the person they based the Tracy Flick (Election) character on.
She now refuses to offer congrats to Obama after these last several wins.
One can only hope that the Clintons try and change the rules and create a crack in their party that will not heal for a very long time.
I would still want to see us run against her (and Bill) to once and for all time tear down the myth they created about themselves and Bill's legacy.
Looks like someone else
February 13, 2008 - 11:54 ET by Hero SquadLooks like someone else had the same idea:
Hillary Clinton as Tracy Flick
Funny stuff (from the Slate, no less!)
*****
"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
Hilarious!
February 13, 2008 - 12:22 ET by motherbeltHilarious!
Oohh, I can't wait!
February 13, 2008 - 11:45 ET by WhoIsJohnGalt"Selected, not elected!!!"
"Selected, not elected!!!"
"Selected, not elected!!!"
A little good news.....
February 13, 2008 - 11:22 ET by RJ(CNSNews.com) - "Fiscal conservatives are celebrating the defeat of Republican Rep. Wayne Gilchrist in Maryland's 1st Congressional District on Tuesday. The ten-term U.S. congressman lost the primary election to a more conservative candidate, State Sen. Andrew Harris."
Yay!! One district at a
February 13, 2008 - 11:24 ET by motherbeltYay!! One district at a time......Hope he wins in the general.
Searching for George (McGovern)
February 13, 2008 - 11:28 ET by sarcasmoI remember reading a short but very good WSJ editorial (referenced by this URL) by, of all people, George McGovern in the early '90s. It made me wish he hadn't retired (the Cigar Aff. article linked there is also quite good, but I really-want the WSJ article!). Unfortunately, googling for it whether by me or others hasn't been productive. The article was written in the aftermath of the failure of his retirement B&B business, and my motive for getting it more exposure is the hope that Barak Obama might somehow be induced to read it...
If anyone here has any "pull" with the Wall Street Journal and could somehow induce them to make it available online, I'd be much obliged. It might even do our country some good, too.
JMR
If this is winning, I think I'd rather lose...
Sarc, Is this it? "An
February 13, 2008 - 12:18 ET by Hunter12Sarc, Is this it. No, I see it;'s the second op-ed?
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
No, but that's a good one, too.
February 13, 2008 - 12:26 ET by sarcasmoThe one I recall was more of a personal story of the failure of his retirement B&B due at least in part to lawsuits in which there was no "loser pays" so his business, while "winning" the lawsuits, ultimately lost. My memory from that long-ago has begun to fail me.
And trust me, it's even worse when an obese government (with literally-unlimited funds) rather than just a trial lawyer is doing the sueing and trying to put you out of business, but I doubt Obama's as interested in my experience as he is in George's. I think the date of the WSJ editorial I want is around 1992. It was the first pro-freedom message I'd ever seen from George, so it was something of a shock compared to the later "leave smokers alone" pieces.
JMR
If this is winning, I think I'd rather lose...
Another "delicious" Clinton dilemma....
February 13, 2008 - 11:29 ET by motherbeltIf you live by identity politics, you die by identity politics.....
Apparently, a Latina Super Delegate is ticked off at Her Royal Clintoness for replacing Latina Patti Solis Doyle with African-American Maggie Williams....
The Divide and Conquer
February 13, 2008 - 11:58 ET by dscottThe Divide and Conquer strategy can sometimes backfire. I'm imagining Hillary with a sooty face and wild hair, that would be a great photoshop moment.
Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008 Long Live the Empire! Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.
If there is a "florida
February 13, 2008 - 11:37 ET by Dan The Man 2If there is a "florida 2000" moment then they can say it has bno comparison because it is a party vote and has no bearing on a national election. You have top remember the canditates are for a party and chosen by different methods as dictated by state rules. In other words the party can say obitrarily that Kuchinich is the canditate and there is no breach of rules.
There is in the Constitution no provision for any parties just presidential canditates and a national election. We must remember only recently that Senators were populary elected and before taht they were chosen by the states.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
If there is a "florida
February 13, 2008 - 11:50 ET by Dan The Man 2Duplicate sorry
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
GET OUT THE COLLEGE VOTE
February 13, 2008 - 11:49 ET by billbEveryone want's to get out the college vote. Doesn't it make you feel all warm and fuzzy to watch these youngsters popping up on the cable networks and the internet. I have but one question. To which tax bracket do these young civic minded students belong? They should record their Youtube appearances and play them back 10 years from now.
The Dems painted themselves
February 13, 2008 - 11:52 ET by dscottThe Dems painted themselves into a no win situation by allowing Hillary to campaign 24 hours in manipulation of the rules before the vote and Obama observed the spirit of the rules and didn't run to Florida when Hillary did. So who is in the wrong and was it planned? In my mind, the date set by the State elections officials trumps any party rules, the State decides when to take the vote, not any political party! Yes, sometimes those two interests coincide, however, it is the people's officials not the party officials who make the decisions otherwise we have the fox guarding the henhouse.
Be that as it may, it was the Dem party who decided not to count any primary votes for their nominee. Which Dem party bosses made that decision, would they be Clinton supporters coincidently??? Curiously, why would the party bosses leave a loophole to in campaign in Florida 24 hrs prior to the primary? It sounds like a lawyerly ploy to me, why leave the loophole if your intent was not to have anyone go there? So surprise, surprise the Florida voters voted for the candidate that paid attention to them instead of treating them like red haired step children (no offense to red haired people). I would submit Hillary and her buddies planned this in advance to have Florida and Michigan delegates in their back pockets in the event her campaign ran into trouble, that way she would be the knight in shining armour to all the disenfranchised Dems. Did I not warn many weeks ago that the Clintons would pull the "it's not fair" routine as to the delegates?
The only way for the Dems to be rescued from this fiasco is for Hillary to drop out and let Obama be the nominee for the sake of their party. However, I doubt very seriously that either Clinton has the depth of character to do the right thing as far as their party. They are DINOs after all, they always were out for themselves and used the Dem party to advance themselves. Now how does it feel you Dems for 16 years to have to defend and hold your noses to vote for a Clinton just to get someone with a D behind their name in the WH or Senate??? You now have the chance to put this bad memory and embarrassment behind you, choose Obama and you will have CHANGE. Repudiate the party bosses, think for yourselves!
Remember the triangulating manipulators not only have the Florida and Michigan vote but also the super delegates like Bill Clinton to install Hillary as the Dem nominee. There aren't enough state delegates for two evenly matched opponents in the Dem primary to clinch the nomination, another deliberate choice of the party bosses. You see the Clintons have been very busy since January 2001. CHANGE begins at home, if you can't even oust an entrenched elite out of your own party, how can you possibly offer CHANGE to the rest of the country?
Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008 Long Live the Empire! Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.
I would submit Hillary and
February 13, 2008 - 12:19 ET by motherbeltI would submit Hillary and her buddies planned this in advance to have
Florida and Michigan delegates in their back pockets in the event her
campaign ran into trouble,
Thanks for adding the second state (Michigan). I was going to include the second state but couldn't remember which it was (my guess was Ohio) but I was too lazy to research it so I left it out and just mentioned Florida. :-)
Everyone knew that Clinton only agreed to it with the unspoken reservation that she would contest it if necessary.
As for "allowing her to campaign" in Florida, how were they supposed to stop her? Were they supposed to set up a roadblock at the border? Quarantine her plane so she couldn't get off?
I know!! They could have said that if she did, the delegates wouldn't count!! Oh, wait a minute, they did.
You cannot make rules to restrict someone who ignores the rules.
"Rules are just tools'....private slogan inside the Clinton campaign.
"In my mind, the date set
February 13, 2008 - 12:46 ET by Dan The Man 2"In my mind, the date set by the State elections officials trumps any party rules," and I say it ispurely a party thing and the party trumps and the state has no juristiction in deciding what is counted and what is not counted.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
True, the party can decide
February 13, 2008 - 13:45 ET by dscottTrue, the party can decide not to count the results in order to trump the State's right to choose any date they wish, but then such a victory is hollow as the Dems are finding out, isn't it? In the end the voters trump the party. What goes around, comes around.
Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008 Long Live the Empire! Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.
Huckabee staying in to get second place
February 13, 2008 - 12:31 ET by Daniel BakerAs soon as his delegates top Romneys he will drop out. That is my prediction.
2012 he will then campaign as the valiant second place finisher.
Florida all over again?
February 13, 2008 - 12:33 ET by DelsaNot exactly. The issue in florida had to do with a FEDERAL election and the RULES by which VOTES are counted.
The Supreme Court of the United States, as the highest Federal Court, clearly got involved when the RULES governing the counting of ballots, in a Federal Election, in the state of Florida, after they had been cast was in doubt.
The supreme court ruled that the RULES governing ELECTIONS and the COUNTNG of BALLOTS could NOT change AFTER and ELECTION had taken place. The ELECTION RULES in place prior to an election, must be the RULES used after the election.
The Supreme Court has also stated that the respective political parties have total authority over the rules that govern their respective primarys etc.
With the Democrats it is a case where the parties were punished after moving primary and caucus dates without the sanction of the National Party. These punishments were in place prior to the primarys and caucusses. And prior to voting and ballot counting. In some cases, Obama was not on the ballot.
But hillary wants to steal this nomination and IF she can she will.
I don't see a lot of similarities, except where some are attempting to equate popular vote, the people, versus electoral college, the super delegates. The electoral college works. Change our Constitution if we are now going to toss our voting process.
In a country where Hillary and her ilk would attempt to steal a simple primary, immagine what they could do with NO paper ballots and touch screen balloting?
The Democrat's Super Delegates
February 13, 2008 - 13:18 ET by Hunter12This idea was conceived to keep party booses from stealing an election and at the same time keep the uneducated masses from giving the nomination to someone who was unelectable. It will be interesting to see if party bosses steal the election from their best candidate and give it to someone who is unelectable.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
The electoral college
February 13, 2008 - 14:00 ET by motherbeltThe electoral college works. Change our Constitution if we are now going to toss our voting process. -Delsa
Delsa, they are trying to do it piecemeal, state by state, by getting laws passed in the individual states, to change that. If enough states do this, it could effectively end the electoral college. I was just reading about some of those states..I even looked in my history, but can't find the page. I'll keep looking, and come back if I find it.
The article even said that it is a method for bypassing the necessity of a constitutional amendment.
Update: Here it is: Goodbye Electoral College?
The scary thing is the states would be pledging their votes to match the national popular vote, not the one in their individual state.
To me this just doesn't seem legal. If it's in the Constitution, don't we need an amendment to change it?
MB...several states have done this
February 13, 2008 - 17:57 ET by LionKingIf I was a voter in one of those states, I would be majorly upset. My vote is watered down as part of the popular vote of everyone.
Minimal campaigning in these states by presidential candidates would be my guess.
Stealing an election with touch screen shenanigans?
February 13, 2008 - 16:24 ET by WhoIsJohnGaltNow, I have no doubt that Hillary & Co would do whatever they could to undermine the process by trying to get Florida counted and steal the primary by threatening super-delagates, but I seriously doubt that even they would resort to that...after all, it's actually CRIMINAL behavior...
Okay, well, maybe the "CRIMINAL behavior" argument used to defend the Clintons is a stretch, but it's a Federal crime, and even they wouldn't commit...
Okay, well so they've commited fderal crimes before, and they have no compunction about doing such things again, but it is a BIG felony and they could lose face and be embarrassed and shamed in front of the entire country and...um...
Okay, so I have no cogent argument that holds any water against why I think the Clintons wouldn't stoops so low. None that passes the smell test anyway, but still...stealing ballots at that level?
Okay, I give up. They'd do it.
WJG You
February 13, 2008 - 16:42 ET by DelsaYou made me laugh. Thank you.
Limbaugh's theory..
February 13, 2008 - 12:38 ET by Missouri Conservative..is that "Obama may win the primary, but he won't be the nominee".
Rush seems to be convinced that Hillary will, somehow, someway, manage to steal this thing, regardless if Obama keeps racking up victories.
As Noel would say, "that would be delicious!"
"women and minorities hardest hit"
With respect to Huckabee
February 13, 2008 - 12:38 ET by DelsaWith respect to Huckabee, he STILL has FEWER DELEGATES the ROMNEY.
HELLO. Say good nite Huck.
140
February 13, 2008 - 12:52 ET by vrwc13...can you say Texas?
v
"It ain't over, till it's over." Yogi Berra
McCain will win
February 13, 2008 - 15:51 ET by Gary P JacksonMcCain will win Texas.
I presume you have closed
February 13, 2008 - 12:43 ET by motherbeltI presume you have closed the Chris Matthews leg thrill posting to further comments?
I'm betting the Joe's Howard Wolfson comment one is next....
Roger Clemens hearing
February 13, 2008 - 12:57 ET by balboaAnyone following this? Interesting grilling of McNamee and Clemens.
Dan Burton seems like a Clemens apologist.
why doesn't Congress address real issues
February 13, 2008 - 13:06 ET by SouthJersey1953Can't believe Congress is wasting our tax dollars on this when there are important issues they should be addressing...
Very true. But I guess this
February 13, 2008 - 13:09 ET by balboaVery true. But I guess this is what happens when baseball can't take care of itself.
Jersey
February 13, 2008 - 14:15 ET by ricklailSpecter also has Roger Goodell in his offcice questioning him about Spygate today. His reasoning: The people want to know. I'll find out from sports talk radio long before Specter finds out anything. Agreed they need to get their butts back to work on important stuff like immigration.
If you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes.-Lewis Grizzard
Personaly, I wish Congress
February 13, 2008 - 15:05 ET by KarmaPersonaly, I wish Congress would devote more of its' time to these types of issues. Every day wasted on this kind of crap pushes back the date for, comprehensive immigration reform, "free" health care, "free" housing, "free" transportation, "free" education, and a "free" pot to put your "free" chicken in. Lying or not, we owe Roger Clemens a round of applause.
Karma you have something!
February 13, 2008 - 15:12 ET by DelsaHow profound Karma. I like your thinking. But even this crap cost us money
karma...LOL!Great
February 13, 2008 - 15:13 ET by bigtimerkarma...
LOL!
Great points indeed...I have always said the less congress is in session the better off we are out here in the real world.
I am giving a big round of applause to Clemens....
balboa
February 13, 2008 - 13:09 ET by DelsaTo assume Burton is an apoligist, you have to deem Clemens guilty.
Perosnally, i believe this has no business being in Congress. Congress isn't doing anything we really need them to do so i guess they may as well crap on us with this hearing.
Clemens is going to court over this. He has filed the action. So we shall see.
Congress is grand standing and just to let you know some trivia, when i was diagnosed with hypoglycemia, one of my injections was HGH. NOT illegal and a total healing factor.
These hearing are a waist of time. And for the record, I don't care what a player takes, if he can't pitch a ball or hit a ball, NO substance will change a players GOD GIVEN TALENT
Apologist was the wrong
February 13, 2008 - 13:31 ET by balboaApologist was the wrong term. He definitely put Clemens on a pedestal.
All of Congress should be on trial for lying to public
February 13, 2008 - 14:30 ET by PawpawNI've said this before, but say it again: They say lying to Congress is a Federal offense. Well, don't all senators and legislators lie in Congress each day, so they should be prosecuted!! The sports stuff has no business in Congress, just like Movie Stars holding hearings on Congress. C-Span has made all these kooks think they are soooo important and so cuteeeeee!
boa... ..for some reason
February 13, 2008 - 13:32 ET by bigtimerboa...
..for some reason I got drawn into this little ramrod of a hearing this morning, I had no opinion one way or the other about Clemens...I also feel that congress has far more important business to do than this, nevertheless so far Waxman, Lynch, and most of all McNamee are being shown the fools they are...McNamee is an outright liar, through and through...I feel he is going to end up doing some serious time if he keeps all his tangled lying up.
Where does Clemens go to get his reputation back after all of this hoopla...I hope he sues to high heaven in a civil court.
Well, if McNamee is lying,
February 13, 2008 - 13:34 ET by balboaWell, if McNamee is lying, then so is Pettitte. I don't think anyone is looking good at this thing.
boa... Pettitte may have
February 13, 2008 - 13:47 ET by bigtimerboa...
Pettitte may have had made a deal with prosecutors, (along with others who are guilty of using HGH)...wouldn't be the first or last time people are pressured into this sort of deal...sadly...especially if it is against someone who you considered a friend.
I am just posting my opinion of what I heard so far this morning, I am done listening for now, may catch the rest when they replay it in the wee hours of the morning...lol.
Delsa, that lawyer who wrote for the Mitchell report, and Mitchell as far as I am concerned should be held accountable to the highest form...I am not a sue happy person, but there are times in some of our lives when enough is enough and you have to fight back...especially if it is your own valued reputation.
Bigtimer
February 13, 2008 - 13:54 ET by DelsaEXACTLY!
Bigtimer you are soooo right
February 13, 2008 - 13:35 ET by DelsaClemens already has a court action filed. And after hearing the lawyer for Mitchel, I'd go after the mitchel report folks too.
Dan you are right
February 13, 2008 - 13:01 ET by DelsaThe state has not jurisdiction in the delegate thing for democrats. It is National Party vs State Party.
Again, if hillary can pull it off, she will prevent the "upity black man" form capturing the dem nomination.
The REAL racists are squarely and firmly planted in the DEMOCRAT PARTY
Yes, we definitely live
February 13, 2008 - 13:05 ET by Dan The Man 2Yes, we definitely live in interesting times. It will be interesting to see how the black vote percieves a coup by Hillary if it happens. The selection will by by super delagates.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
And now, today's Shrub
February 13, 2008 - 13:08 ET by Roger the ShrubberAnd now, today's Shrub Report®:
Former Pittsburgh and UNC Tarheel sports commentator passes away. Rest in Peace, Bill.
No wonder San Fran Nan was so adamant that Iraq was a failure: the Iraqi Parliament just passed important legislation…
Steven Spielberg pulls out of the 2008 Summer Olympics. The rhythmic gymnastics competition is now wide open!
More Reuters Fautography…
Happy 47th, Henry Rollins!
Chimpy McHitler once again outwits the cream of the Liberal crop in the Senate.
Speaking of the evil Monkey in a Flight Suit, his penchant for torture is even worse than we thought…
Ouch. Been a tough year for you Wildcat fans out there.
Apparently, the powers-that-be at William & Mary did not suspect this guy was a douchebag when they hired him as school president.
Oh no! Berkeley schools might have to serve "common folk" food! Harry Reid lends his support.
It was Rich Country Handout Day at the UN, as every piss-poor country in the world came, hat in hand, for my tax dollars.
Speaking of the glories of UN Socialism, we finally get a glimpse of what the Hopeful Changer has in store for us. No wonder douchebags like Leon like Obama.
Speaking of Douchebaggery…
On this date in 1970, one of the most important records in rock and roll was released. It cost $2,000 to produce and three days to record.
When Clintonistas attack: Fast Eddie claims dumb white Conservative men would never vote for a black man, but he didn't mean to offend anybody.
Here's another heart-warming story of the beauty of socialism in the UK…
If there's a church burning, it must be Valentine's Day with Islam! Partner with Islam!
Beware the Snuke!
And, finally, today's snow-related school closings.
Fast Eddie and Rizzo
February 13, 2008 - 14:18 ET by Hero SquadLove how Fast Eddie thinks he would've still beaten Lynn Swann by 17 points if race wasn't a factor. You must be so proud to have the "racist" vote locked down, Ed!
Thought you'd mention that today is Rizzo's 64th birthday. (no, not the other former mayor of Philadelphia!)
*****
"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
Interesting, HS...
February 13, 2008 - 14:39 ET by Roger the ShrubberBut, since I possess testicles, I am oblivious to anything Grease-related, except for the extremely-talented Babylon 5 "star" Jeff Conaway. :p
More important than Channing's special day, David Naughton, the star of American Werewolf in London AND Hot Dog - The Movie turns 57. Now THAT's a star!
First of all...
February 13, 2008 - 17:05 ET by Hero SquadFirst of all... Ouch!
Second, lest we forget Naughton's other imprent on our popular culture, the hit song "Makin' It" from "Meatballs," (and his subseqently failed sitcom of the same name.)
*****
"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
Naughton
February 13, 2008 - 17:12 ET by balboaYeah, those all are part of Naughton's C.V., but the most iconic performance, to me, was the original guy in the Dr. Pepper commercials who sang "I'm a Pepper."
Touche to the both of you
February 13, 2008 - 18:41 ET by Roger the ShrubberTouche to the both of you for out Hot-Dog-ging me! haha
HS - I am deeply offended
February 13, 2008 - 17:13 ET by FastEdthat anyone would think I could look like that pic, when my dad looked like this! AND I never said anything about - - oh, you said Fast Eddie, not . . oh never mind. <slink away>
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Ron Paul Trails Peden by 11 in House Primary
February 13, 2008 - 13:11 ET by TinianFrom Right On The Right:
Ron Paul is facing an uphill climb if he wants to win his party's
nomination. No, I'm not talking about his Presidential bid, I'm talking
about his Congressional race. The FDH Lounge has the big news. Paul's getting out:
My own source backs this up. Paul's campaign is looking at internal numbers showing
Peden with a 43-32 lead over Paul, with the primary just weeks away.
Support a REAL Conservative, Chris Peden.
Ill bet the change is due
February 13, 2008 - 15:30 ET by Dan The Man 2Ill bet the change is due to RP's exposure and his off the wall ideas about how to run the nation (into the ground). People in congressional races don't have much of an idea where their congress critters stand except what teh publish. I guess Paul exposed his real self to his constituents and they don't like what they see.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Yeah, nobody knew he was a
February 13, 2008 - 16:08 ET by BDYeah, nobody knew he was a Wackjob til he surfaced at the debates, dropped his pants on Defense policy, then bent over for Foreign policy....
His electorate is probably very quietly SHOCKED that they had HIM in the House for all these years...
Keep calling names
February 13, 2008 - 16:10 ET by sarcasmoIt's apparently the closest you can come to analysis.
JMR
If this is winning, I think I'd rather lose...
Sarc: I am not the one
February 13, 2008 - 17:27 ET by BDSarc:
I am not the one who limits their efforts to linking others work.
Balboa
February 13, 2008 - 13:16 ET by DelsaI think you are Great but WE DO NOT NEED THE GOVERNMENT TO TAKE CARE OF US OR BASEBALL OR LITTLE LEAGUE OR.....
You know what i mean? That is why i do not vote for Democrats or Socialists
I agree, but if baseball
February 13, 2008 - 14:40 ET by balboaI agree, but if baseball isn't going to take care of itself, there's a point where you want SOMEONE to get to the bottom of all this.
boa... Congress? Surely
February 13, 2008 - 14:44 ET by bigtimerboa...
Congress? Surely you jest? Some of the critters are the biggest con-artist and liars there are...and we pay them with our hard-earned dollars.
Let the fans and the bosses in baseball take care of it...you know the baseball league.
Balboa
February 13, 2008 - 14:56 ET by DelsaSOMEONE should be Ticket holders? Remember when most of this stuff was going on a lot of this was not illegal.
HGH and HGF has been used for healing for ever. At one time they were thought to be fountains of youth.
Now we can not use saturated fats and some places will refuse to feed "fat" people.
Female hormones were good for women and now they cause cancer.
Live and let live. God save us all.
No relationship to your comments. I am just remarking we need to be saved from the do gooders?
You'd like it to be ticket
February 13, 2008 - 17:57 ET by balboaYou'd like it to be ticket holders, but they're dumb enough (or loyal enough) to keep coming back. I'm done with baseball, personally. I don't follow it other than very casually.
This is about competitive advantage, and how some people just can't be bothered to follow the rules. It just gets worse and worse in baseball.
Balboa
February 13, 2008 - 18:37 ET by Delsaregarding Baseball. My dad used to take us to see the Washington Senators (ok so i am dating myself now) and i thanked God for hot dogs and popcorn without which the game would have been boring. I usually tune into the Marlins somewhere around the fifth inning to check the score if you get my drift.
I was really being a bit sarcastic.
balboa, Ban baseball then, and then move on to the Nations
February 13, 2008 - 15:13 ET by upcountrywaterbusiness.
How about congress reply to the President?
This is the MOST useless congress, in my life time.
Then again, when they pass no laws, it's a good day!
iranian uranium; iranian ICBM's iranian satellites..
4 (unthinkable) H-bombs, NOW THAT'S SOME CHANGE
Keep the change Bob. h/t Sam Peckinpah
New Rush Obama parody!
February 13, 2008 - 13:29 ET by motherbeltOMG, is anyone listening to Rush? I just heard the new "Barack Obama" parody ad that Rush is playing? It's based on his platitudes and has an Obama impersonator saying (in soaring oratory) thing like:
We need to leave the past behind,..(pause)... as we go forward...
In the face of change..., (pause) ... I believe in hope...
In the face of hope, ...(pause) ..... I believe in change....
I believe the things we need to do ...(pause).....are the things that have not been done...
It's hilarious. I may not have the exact words, but you get the idea....
mb... I'm still
February 13, 2008 - 13:39 ET by bigtimermb...
I'm still chucklin'....
Btw...for me the defeat of Wayne Gilchrest in Ma. is wonderful wonderful...his backing with the dems against the good guys is just delightful.
O'Bama
February 13, 2008 - 14:21 ET by ricklailMike Church played a parody of O'Bama to Roseanna. He calls him O'Bama like in Bama. You might be able to find it at MikeChurch.com. If you are not familiar with him he host a program on Sirius 144 the Patriot from 9 to 12 everday.
If you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes.-Lewis Grizzard
mb, VERY FUNNY ,
February 13, 2008 - 14:41 ET by upcountrywaterthe 2nd part where Rush fills his empty head with great ideas. LMAO
iranian uranium; iranian ICBM's iranian satellites..
4 (unthinkable) H-bombs, NOW THAT'S SOME CHANGE
Keep the change Bob. h/t Sam Peckinpah
Just heard the Obama thing
February 13, 2008 - 13:29 ET by Delsahow DEAD ON CAN YOU GET
$9.50
February 13, 2008 - 13:41 ET by GothampcHillary Clinton just said she wants to make minimum wage $9.50. That sucking sound you hear is every entry-level job leaving the United States.
LOL, I wonder if Obama will
February 13, 2008 - 13:55 ET by dscottLOL, I wonder if Obama will up the ante? Do I hear $10/hr? $10/hr, $10/hr, yes we have a competing bid of $10/hr, do we have a bid for $10.50? $10.50,$10.50,$10.50...
So Hillary is trying to out liberal the liberal? Let's see how many bribes she can put out there to get those votes. What's next? Free Health Care for all at the greedy rich people's expense? I wonder how many dopes for fall for that rope?
Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008 Long Live the Empire! Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.
9.50 is not enough
February 13, 2008 - 13:51 ET by DelsaAs soon as hillary raises min wage at burger king to $100,000 per year i am going for the job at the one fast food place left in the United States.
Holly crap! My husband already pays $10 per hour for helpers. I guess my husband in on his own now
Motherbelt
February 13, 2008 - 14:11 ET by DelsaMB I think the elctoral college is part of the 12 Amendment to the Constitution.
I do know it would take a constitutional amendment to change it.
Not going to happen and i am glad.
A link to Electoral college info
February 13, 2008 - 14:19 ET by Delsahttp://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/
Democrats are really stuck on stupid
February 13, 2008 - 14:28 ET by candanceI wasn't much of a big fan of NAFTA, but now, 15 years later, Obama wants to overturn it. And Hillary wants to bump up minimum wage to over 9 dollars an hour.
These are stupid ideas, plain and simple. Anyone with half a brain can figure that out.
#1 - Immigrants are not even making minimum wage in the first place. If we can't enforce them to hire legal workers, how can we enforce minimum wage? Say hello to wages staying down across the board.
#2 - You can't look a company and tell them, "raise your wages, pay more taxes, and develop alternative products whether or not they sell...and for all this investment, you get no extra benefit." Why yes India, you're welcome for all the new companies moving to Dubai.
#3 - Poor American workers (like cashiers) are not struggling because of minimum wage. Most are paid well above that on the hour - but only see 20 to 30 hours a week. Every federal wage increase is met with hours being cut in retail. Thus they bring home the same pay regardless.
#4 - Restaurants and stores that thrive on minimum wage will not absorb the extra cost. They simply raise their prices. So the guy who works at Papa John's can't afford the pizza. The girl who works at the dollar store can't afford to buy enough clothing.
I simply do not understand why people ignore this and condemn working class Americans to be even more worse off.
I simply do not understand
February 13, 2008 - 15:09 ET by dscottI simply do not understand why people ignore this and condemn working class Americans to be even more worse off.
The politics of envy and victimization sells just as well as sex does in commercials. People covet what they don't have and when they buy it, they rarely get what they imagined. It's called being sold. Sometimes I think both the conartist and the mark are equally guilty. The con usually (not always) appeals to people's greed (something for nothing) and so swindles them using their own vice. The rest of the marks are just easily fooled by the flourishes and fast talk.
After 50 years of welfare induced poverty and 70% out of wedlock births, you would think by now most blacks would finally get it, they still fall for the something for nothing scam. You never give a sucker an even break.
Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008 Long Live the Empire! Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.
Simple ways to help the poor
February 13, 2008 - 15:22 ET by candanceThe government wants to give poor people a break? Here are some ideas they could look at:
-Get a grip on inflation so dollars go further.
-Lay off the ethanol subsidies so the price of food will go down.
-Let us drill for domestic oil and lower the gas tax.
-Enforce the friggin laws so illegal workers stop underbidding wages.
-Make it easier for underpriviledged kids to go to college (the current financial aid system is bogus and tilted toward voting blocs).