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Bob Dole Chastises Rush Limbaugh By Noel Sheppard (Bio \| Archive) February 5, 2008 - 11:32 ET Here's something you don't see every day: a Republican publicly chastising one of the leading conservative voices in the nation. After all, it's one thing for liberal media members across the fruited plain to bash talk radio's Rush Limbaugh. But former Senator and presidential candidate Bob Dole? Well, hold on to your seats, for Politico reported late Monday (h/t NBer coffee260, emphasis added throughout): Story Continues Below Ad ↓ <a href="http://harvest.AdGardener.com/noscript.aspx?s=16&c=fa99ab07-42c2-43e0-abfb-b47f96e4b9b9" target="_blank"><img src="http://harvest.AdGardener.com/noscript.aspx?s=16&w=336&h=280&c=fa99ab07-42c2-43e0-abfb-b47f96e4b9b9" width="336" height="280" border="0" /></a> Bob Dole, the former Senate Republican leader, wrote an insistent letter to Rush Limbaugh on Monday and suggested that for the good of the party, the conservative talk-show host should stop his strafing of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.). [...] In a letter released Monday evening by McCain's campaign, Dole strongly defended the senator’s conservative credentials, noting that his voting record is opposed to abortion and supportive of gun-owner rights. [...] The letter begins simply “Rush.” “I have not seen you in a long time but I do hear you frequently and I know that you have serious reservations about Senator McCain,” Dole wrote. “McCain is a friend and I proudly wore his P.O.W. bracelet bearing his name while he was still a guest at the ‘Hanoi Hilton.’ I believe our major candidates are mainstream conservatives and that our nominee will address our concerns by keeping taxes low, reducing corporate taxes, protecting and assisting the vulnerable, strengthening our traditional values, and above all, keeping America strong militarily, whatever the cost. “Whoever wins the Republican nomination will need your enthusiastic support,” Dole concludes. “Two terms for the Clintons are enough." For what it's worth, tipster coffee260 claims that Politico left out something important from Dole's letter to Rush. For some background, according to Politico: In a bill of particulars numbered 1 through 8, Dole wrote that McCain has a “Consistent pro-life record,” was a “Strong advocate for strict constructionist judges,” “Supported voluntary school prayer,” supported a balanced-budget amendment, was a strong advocate for cutting spending, consistently defended Second Amendment (gun-owner) rights, “opposed ‘Hillary Care,’ ” and was “Probably the Senate's strongest advocate for strong national defense.” This from coffee260: 1 through 8? Or is there a number 9? I was just listening to The Mark Levin show and Rush called in and read off that list. He included the number 9. The Politico didn't. What do you think would be the reason? Could it be because number 9 reflected badly on McCain? Here's number 9. You decide. 9. Of course he's cast many votes since I left. I disagree totally with McCain/Feingold. Stay tuned. —Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. 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MRC's Bozell Discussed Obama's MSM Groupies on 'Fox & Friends' Related Topics Bob Dole Hillary Clinton John McCain Rush Limbaugh Comments Policy All comments are owned by whoever posted them and are subject to our terms of use. They should not be assumed to represent the views of NewsBusters. Viewing options Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes. Of course Bob Dole would do February 5, 2008 - 11:41 ET by mattm Of course Bob Dole would do that. He's another Nixon/Ford Republicrat. How did Bob do in 1996? 38% of the vote. If anyone should shut up, Bob, it's you and your fellow loser RINOs. Login or register to post comments Email this page Bob Dole is/was useless February 5, 2008 - 11:59 ET by jefflebowski Why can't the Republican (when I say Republican these days it doesn't necessarily mean Conservative) hierarchy understand that they will never elect a moderate..and that's being extremely generous to McPain...President? Romney is the best choice to come anywhere near being conservative. I don't like Dole, his carpet-bagging wife or any of their RINO ilk!!! Login or register to post comments Email this page Well, now wait a minute. February 5, 2008 - 12:01 ET by WhoIsJohnGalt Well, now wait a minute. Although he was not a great candidate, his loss, as well as 41's loss in '92 were more due to Ross Perot siphoning off his votes rather than the strength of the left's canididate-it would have been very close indeed. Most of Perot's voters came from the right. We never would have had to deal with the Clinton's if it were not for Perot. And if I could kick my own ass for voting for Perot, I would. And I don't agree with Dole's support of McCain now. And just to be a noodge...Dole got nearly 41%. Login or register to post comments Email this page Dole was way better of a February 5, 2008 - 12:25 ET by mattm Dole was way better of a candidate than McCain. But if he's going to tell people who oppose McCain to shut up, then he can go kiss a donkey... It wasn't Perot in 1996 that siphoned off votes. If the GOP would have put a real conservative up against Clinton, and actually ran a strong campaign against him, they could easily have won. Give us another Dole/Ford/McCain, and you can say hello to President Hillary (or B. Hussein Osama)... this is why the media love him and are promoting him and Dems are crossing over in certain primaries (like Florida) and voting for him. Login or register to post comments Email this page Historically speaking... February 5, 2008 - 12:37 ET by Britcom Bob Dole still would not have won. A Senator has never defeated a former Governor in modern times. Login or register to post comments Email this page And in 1996 Clinton... February 5, 2008 - 12:41 ET by Prester John ...went from 43% to 49% which means his margin in the popular vote went from 5% (43-38) to 8% (49-41). Login or register to post comments Email this page UPDATE February 5, 2008 - 13:14 ET by mattm RUSH IS SAYING THAT THE MSM ASSESSMENT OF DOLE'S COMMUNICATION WITH HIM WAS WRONG... ...should have known the MSM would get it wrong. Login or register to post comments Email this page Well, that does it, I'm February 5, 2008 - 11:47 ET by motherbelt Well, that does it, I'm sure. Rush will be on the radion today, whipping himself, and promising to promote McCain from now on. PS: I wonder how much he could get for this letter? Just kidding....I don't think he'd do that. Login or register to post comments Email this page Rush should be whipping February 5, 2008 - 12:36 ET by dscott Rush should be whipping George Stephanopoulos and the rest of the Clinton operatives in the MSM, like these to name a few who participated in manipulating the political coverage to Hillary's benefit: Kaplin - CNN Harold Ickies Joe Klein James Carville Paul Begala Susan Estridge Rebecca Traister Don't GET Mad, GET EVEN! Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008 Long Live the Empire! Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny. Login or register to post comments Email this page as iff Rush gives a damn... February 5, 2008 - 13:19 ET by TruthMonger is that really Dole pictured up there? Or is that McCain? Would it really matter:)? Conservatives don't need the presidency, Bob - we don't need RINO's, and we don't even need the US - we just need conservatives - and we can wait forever:)... We do not move with political winds - we are reliable, un-shakable, steadfast, and true - no fear of commitment here... Damn we are GREAT! Wow... ...weenie libs and rino's eat yer heart out:)! Login or register to post comments Email this page TM: I do not see how this February 5, 2008 - 13:28 ET by BD TM: I do not see how this applies to the posting above? Login or register to post comments Email this page BD, maybe you need February 5, 2008 - 15:13 ET by TruthMonger BD, maybe you need glasses? not sure I can help:) Login or register to post comments Email this page I am attempting to apply February 5, 2008 - 16:35 ET by BD I am attempting to apply your second and third sentances to your first, and see no logic train. Is one supposed to infer something? I mean Scott posted the following: Rush should be whipping George Stephanopoulos and the rest of the Clinton operatives in the MSM, like these to name a few who participated in manipulating the political coverage to Hillary's benefit: To which you replied with a viewpoint of a certain photo which was not referenced in Scotts posting. What am I missing? Login or register to post comments Email this page BD, my humble posts are not February 5, 2008 - 19:28 ET by TruthMonger BD, my humble posts are not worth this much effort, really:) flattered by your persistant attempts, however... and so here you go: I was responding to dscott who was responding to motherbelt who was commenting on a thread about Bob Dole chastising Rush about his supposed indiscretionary lack of party support... 1. motherbelt sarcastically proclaims that Rush must now bow in awed servitude to Bob Dole and support McCain... 2. to which dscott proclaims the Rush should beat down some typical MSM boneheads for pushing Hillary instead... 3. to which I essentially proclaim that Rush doesn't really give a damn about Dole on this either way, I'm sure... 4. and then followed that with a reference to Dole's picture above not looking that much different than McCain whilst inferring that there really isn't much difference between them at all (very nice touch, TM, if you do say so yourself:)... 5. and then I wrap-er all up with a fantastically poetic rebuke of Dole (again the subject of this thread) about the greatness of conservatives and the weenie-ness of all the rest: Conservatives don't need the presidency, Bob - we don't need RINO's, and we don't even need the US - we just need conservatives - and we can wait forever:)... We do not move with political winds - we are reliable, un-shakable, steadfast, and true - no fear of commitment here... Damn we are GREAT! Wow... ...weenie libs and rino's eat yer heart out:)! I sure hope this did the trick:) your pal, TM Login or register to post comments Email this page Ok, got it. February 6, 2008 - 10:51 ET by BD Ok, got it. Login or register to post comments Email this page Dole February 5, 2008 - 11:52 ET by Gothampc I've not taken Bob Dole seriously since his days as an actor on erectile dysfunction commercials. He needs to make a reservation at the Jimmy Carter Home for Politicians That Need to Disappear Login or register to post comments Email this page I don't suppose... February 5, 2008 - 11:56 ET by Prester John ...that Dole considered calling up Rush directly and having a private conversation with him vice allowing the McCain campaign to release a letter. Umbelievable. Login or register to post comments Email this page Want ta know about loosin February 5, 2008 - 11:57 ET by Warner Todd Huston Bob Dole knows about loosing. Bob Dole has lost. Bob Dole didn't like it, but Bob Dole knows how to do it. Bob Dole says silence the conservatives in the GOP. Bob Dole knows that will make the GOP lose. Bob Dole is used to losing. Login or register to post comments Email this page Bob Dole... February 5, 2008 - 12:22 ET by Jack Bauer Bob Dole don't surf. Check out my exclusive edit of BBC News America's interview with Mrs Clinton: It's news to me! Login or register to post comments Email this page And then of course February 5, 2008 - 12:30 ET by FastEd McLame became Bob Dole. There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V Login or register to post comments Email this page With All Due Respect to Bob Dole February 5, 2008 - 11:59 ET by Bourbeau Rush must be shaking in his boots. What's with this "11th Hour" input; where has Bob been for the last twelve months? Again, I don't care about John McCain's service record or what bracelet Bob Dole chose to wear to support our POWs - that's not the issue here. John McCain will be a war hero regardless of anything anyone says or does in this election, and that's the way it should be. What I do care about is his record for the last seven years and what he's done to undermine conservative values. I hold him accountable for McCain-Feingold; and I am outraged with his support of the the McCain-Kennedy immigration reform. There's a penalty for deserting your values, and it's time that McCain learn this lesson. Login or register to post comments Email this page Oh, Rush February 5, 2008 - 12:10 ET by iveseenitall Rush, you have just got to listen to that "winner", Bob Dole. Like McCain, he's a war hero. Did that make him President at a time when Bill Clinton was quite vulnerable? No. Bob was an "insider", like McCain. Did that help him win the election? No. However, like McCain, he was a naive "compromiser" who was all too willing to reach "across the asile". And he was old in 1996. Like it or not, that also played a part in his defeat. McCain, too, is old and that will lose votes for him. McCain and Dole are very similar candidates. Sadly, the biggest similarity is that they are losers in any campaign against the Democrats, the media, and the conservatives. Look at 2006. RINOS don't win national elections. McCain is dead in the water. Check the history books. Only when Republicans are Repulicans do they win national elections. It's as obvious as the nose on your face. NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal" Login or register to post comments Email this page NEVER, NEVER trust a "liberal"....or John McCain February 5, 2008 - 12:13 ET by TruthMatters NEVER, NEVER trust a "liberal"....or John McCain Login or register to post comments Email this page I'm struggling February 5, 2008 - 14:49 ET by fonzie2178 to see a difference here... :-) Login or register to post comments Email this page In politics, friendship February 5, 2008 - 12:08 ET by pocomoco In politics, friendship seems to trump reality which is what we are witnessing in Dole’s admonition of Limbaugh. How about a #10 Bob? He was for the amnesty bill before he was against it. McCain would not be a leader he would be a demander. He marches to a different drummer and is council only unto himself. Login or register to post comments Email this page While we gloat and dance at February 5, 2008 - 12:15 ET by ahusser While we gloat and dance at the self-destruction antics of the democrats we have problems of our own. The bashing and trashing of McCain on this website is as divisive as the other sides. A McCain nomination is a real possibility. I for one would support McCain if nominated. I know he does not pass the knee jerk conservative litmus tests "real" conservatives throw down in everyone's path who aspires to office. Personally I believe it is important to elect a Republican to office. If McCain is nominated and conservatives "harumph" and stay home then the other side wins. Period. The Republicans now in office squandered their majority in congress. An Obama or Clinton presidency would be a disaster. Any Republican president would have the onerous duty of being solely on the defensive. The bully pulpit and veto power the most powerful weapons in his arsenal. Legislation would be hard to come by and his office contiually trashed by the MSM. The trashing of our own is destructive and divisive and helps the enemy. Login or register to post comments Email this page Republicans February 5, 2008 - 12:45 ET by iveseenitall If Republicans lose, so be it. We'll survive and maybe the country will wake up and vote the RINOS and the Democrats ( same thing) out next time. This country has been led , slowly but surely, down the path to "liberalism" over the past 40 years. "Liberalism" is a destructive cancer. In the long run, it will be our ultimate doom. Just look around. Promiscuity, drugs, ignorance, moral decay of basic values...on and on it goes. The tide can be turned only through a return to conservativism. Either you believe this or you don't. Compromising what has made us a great nation is, in the long run, just another nail in the coffin. Maybe Abe Lincoln should have compromised with the Confederates. Maybe Winston Churchill should have made nice with Hitler. After all, they both loved animals. Maybe, for the sake of 19-0 history in the making, the Giants should have "compromised" with the Patriots. No way, Johnboy. NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal" Login or register to post comments Email this page So It's Your Opinion . . . . February 5, 2008 - 12:38 ET by Bourbeau So it's your opinion that Conservatives should just shut up, fall in line behind McCain regardless of what that might mean for the dilution of Conservative principles. There's a difference between being a Conservative and being a Republican. McCain (for the last eight years) has been a Republican in name only. As President, he'll govern like a moderate liberal. What does that mean? It means he will 'negotiate' with his friends in Congress on taxes, the judiciary, and immigration. Yes, he'll be strong on the war on terror, but that's not the only important issue we face. Conservatives have every right to fight for a conservative to represent them; we thought we had one in Bush, we're not making the same mistake with McCain. Login or register to post comments Email this page That is not what he is February 5, 2008 - 12:52 ET by dscott That is not what he is saying, and voting for McCain is not the issue! Go after the people who manipulated the political coverage to benefit Hillary. If we don't deal with this now, we will have to fight that battle all over again in the next election cycle. Deal with the MSM, but especially the Clinton Operatives in the MSM. Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008 Long Live the Empire! Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny. Login or register to post comments Email this page I know he does not pass the February 5, 2008 - 13:48 ET by fitzfong I know he does not pass the knee jerk conservative litmus tests "real" conservatives throw down in everyone's path who aspires to office. Personally I believe it is important to elect a Republican to office. If McCain is nominated and conservatives "harumph" and stay home then the other side wins. The condescending tone of your "litmus test" sentence perfectly encapsulates why more and more conservatives are finding McCain and his ilk unacceptable. Guess what, the more the Republican-at-any-cost types like you try to shove RINOs into us like suppositories, the more we REJECT them. I'm not about to throw away my principles just to appease a bunch of RINO bullies with outcome-oriented thinking. If McCain supporters don't like resistence...TOUGH. We're not going to be rolled just because you want to move from the primary hurdle into the general. McCain has not earned the nomination yet, and unless/until he does, I will oppose him with all I've got. I haven't decided what I would do if he does get the nomination, but suffice it to say the incessant browbeating by McCain and his supporters is not helping his cause. If he wants to solidify his position as the Republican nominee, it's about time he started meeting us halfway rather than insisting that we meet him. And get this straight, unless John McCain embraces conservatism, whether Hillary wins, Obama wins or McCain wins...the other side wins. Login or register to post comments Email this page Hey Noel... February 5, 2008 - 12:19 ET by TruthMatters Noel, I need some more of your columns shedding the light (sunlight) on global warming. I need some humor today. BTW....check out Al Gore's self serving recent talk http://www.newbaptistcelebration.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=80&Itemid=96 Login or register to post comments Email this page Try this one you will like February 5, 2008 - 12:26 ET by dscott Try this one you will like it! http://www.timesonli... Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008 Long Live the Empire! Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny. Login or register to post comments Email this page An Open Question to Messers Dole and McLame February 5, 2008 - 12:37 ET by FastEd With all of your past experiences, when was the Last Time a demolib "crossed" the asile to work with the 'pubs?? When was the last time that a demolib negotiated or comprimised with the 'publicans?? Why do 'publicans ALWAYS 'help' their counterparts, but never the other way around??? Take a long look at how the demolibs help YOUR causes, while y'all give up yours. We respect your personal war experiences, but we cannot respect your movements to the left - tis not where WE want to go. You guys HAVE been in DC too long, and have gone over to the socialist side of thinking, and WE don't agree. There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V (my hero, past member of 5th AF) Login or register to post comments Email this page One word: Delicious. ;-) February 5, 2008 - 12:41 ET by balboa One word: Delicious. ;-) Login or register to post comments Email this page Delicious for libs,you bet February 5, 2008 - 13:03 ET by iveseenitall More proof. For "liberals", winning is the "only" thing. Principles be damned. It's a way of life for them. Sad. NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal" Login or register to post comments Email this page Oh lighten up and give the February 5, 2008 - 13:09 ET by balboa Oh lighten up and give the rhetoric a rest. Login or register to post comments Email this page lighten up February 5, 2008 - 14:55 ET by iveseenitall "Lighten up" "Get the starch out of your shirt"--typical "liberal" rsponses. Too bad--more people than ever have caught on. NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal" Login or register to post comments Email this page I was having some fun with February 5, 2008 - 14:57 ET by balboa I was having some fun with Noel. Go away. Login or register to post comments Email this page Hey boa... You did post that February 5, 2008 - 15:00 ET by bigtimer Hey boa... You did post that under isia's post..I read it earlier and thought that is who you were responding to also. Lighten up yourself...are you in a icky mood today? LOL! Login or register to post comments Email this page Thanks, BT February 5, 2008 - 15:23 ET by iveseenitall Thanks,BT. He meant it for me. "Liberals" are quite moody sometimes (and denial is part of their makeup). NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal" Login or register to post comments Email this page You got me! I meant you, February 5, 2008 - 20:38 ET by balboa You got me! I meant you, even though "delicious" is Noel's word. So, even though you're not making any sense, ya' got me! Login or register to post comments Email this page Balboa February 5, 2008 - 21:49 ET by Noel Sheppard B, I was with you nine hours ago. :-) ns Login or register to post comments Email this page Bob Dole represents the old February 5, 2008 - 13:06 ET by Chris Norman Bob Dole represents the old guard, the last generation of the GOP. So does McCain, which even if he were more conservative, would worry me. There's an air of mothballs and preservatives about him... Login or register to post comments Email this page I heard Dole interviewed February 5, 2008 - 12:43 ET by bigtimer I heard Dole interviewed about all of this late afternoon yesterday... I was disgusted, he tried to wiggle around a lot as far as I was concerned..but what stood out the most to me about all of this, is that all of this was well timed...all of it to get the maximum coverage, plus Rush's show was over right about then. I love how the repub political elite tell us what to do and who we have to vote for in the end....Dole included, has he not realized yet why he lost and that the likes of him are part of the conservatives problem.... Gingrich is no better, he never was when it came to strategy of who to support statewide when it came to conservatives, Rove has continued the same strategy...will they never learn? Will we? Btw...I am looking forward to hearing Rush and his response today...not just to this, but to a lot of other comments that have been made about him in just the last 24 hours...going to be interesting. Also, I for one am not in the least surprised by the Politico omitting number nine...they are a left-wing outfit supporting McCain...just like all their brethren. Login or register to post comments Email this page Rush has his reasons... February 5, 2008 - 12:56 ET by Clear thinker First of all, I have been a huge Rush fan for years so don't go chastising me for what I'm about to say. Rush has 30 million reasons each and every year to not like McCain, 30 million dollars. Rush knows that he and others in his tax bracket will get hit hard if McCain refuses to extend the Bush tax cuts. So, Rush and others like him are looking to Mitt Romney to protect some of their money. Rush knows the Dems will up his taxes by a half Gazillion dollars, and he won't fare much better under a McCain presidency, so he really had only one choice. For the rest of us that are nowhere near his tax bracket don't trust any of them, Dem or RINO. The Conservative movement is about to be reborn. Login or register to post comments Email this page You are kidding, right? You February 5, 2008 - 13:18 ET by Gary P Jackson You are kidding, right? You must not be a Rush listener. If McCain won the presidency, Rush would only benefit! He would have just as much to say as he did in the Clinton years! My guess is he would grow his audience, and bank account! And I doubt Rush would compromise his beliefs for money. If that was true, he would never say a dissenting remark about President Bush, as he has. Login or register to post comments Email this page No, I'm not kidding! Rush February 5, 2008 - 13:24 ET by Clear thinker No, I'm not kidding! Rush had nothing to worry about with Bush because he knew Bush was a big tax cut guy. The Conservative movement is about to be reborn. Login or register to post comments Email this page Been reading the liberal blogs, Clear? February 5, 2008 - 13:31 ET by RJ Rush and Romney are protecting tax cuts for the rich? Wow. I guess that shows "clearly" where your political sentiments lie. Login or register to post comments Email this page RJ... You are barking up February 5, 2008 - 13:42 ET by Clear thinker RJ... You are barking up the wrong tree. Since when is telling the truth a liberal virtue? The Conservative movement is about to be reborn. Login or register to post comments Email this page I dunno, clear. That sounds straight from the liberal blogs... February 5, 2008 - 13:56 ET by RJ You can't avoid the rest of your "truth." 1) Where else could you have heard that Rush and Romney intend to protect the tax brackets of the "rich", That's a primary leftist mantra. 2) Your argument says that you also think President Bush's tax cuts favored the "rich." 3) Your argument says that you want them repealed. It also says that you don't want them to be permanent. Your political sentiments seem pretty "clear." "We've been discovering that evangelicals aren't as conservative as we thought." -Carlson Tucker Login or register to post comments Email this page RJ... I love your new February 5, 2008 - 13:59 ET by bigtimer RJ... I love your new tagline! So true too... Login or register to post comments Email this page RJ... Have you lost your February 5, 2008 - 14:03 ET by Clear thinker RJ... Have you lost your mind or something? The Conservative movement is about to be reborn. Login or register to post comments Email this page No, but I suspect you have, Clear February 5, 2008 - 14:18 ET by RJ No response to the issues my post raised about your liberal stance on taxes? "We're discovering that evangelicals aren't as conservative as we thought." -Tucker Carlson Login or register to post comments Email this page RJ...How in the world February 5, 2008 - 14:25 ET by Clear thinker RJ... How in the world did you get that from my post??? Just for the record: I support tax cuts for all tax payers, period! The Conservative movement is about to be reborn. Login or register to post comments Email this page Easy , Clear February 5, 2008 - 14:59 ET by RJ "Rush knows that he and others in his tax bracket will get hit hard if McCain refuses to extend the Bush tax cuts. So, Rush and others like him are looking to Mitt Romney to protect some of their money. Rush knows the Dems will up his taxes by a half Gazillion dollars, and he won't fare much better under a McCain presidency, so he really had only one choice." You claim that Rush is lying, and that his real purpose is to join Romney in order to protect his tax status. You're also implying that tax cuts aid the "rich"...a liberal mantra.....and that there's something wrong with any candidate who might "protect" thir tax status. Aside: but we all understand that your real purpose was to attack Romney again. ;^) "We're discovering that evangelicals aren't as conservative as we thought." -Tucker Carlson Login or register to post comments Email this page You claim that Rush is February 5, 2008 - 15:11 ET by dscott You claim that Rush is lying, and that his real purpose is to join Romney in order to protect his tax status. You're also implying that you think there's something wrong with Rush's current tax status....and something wrong with any candidate who might "protect" that status. Good Grief RJ, let it go. Clear did not in anyway claim Rush lied. He merely stated that Rush has a vested interest in the Bush Tax Cut due to his income status. Even if he made $30 mil, he probably didn't get a tax cut anyway since the AMT would have nailed him as many upper income earners found out. That's why numerous more people in 2003 ended up paying the AMT. (pisst, Dirty little secret, don't tell anyone) There is nothing wrong with Rush's tax status, more power to him in making the big bucks, he deserves it for taking the flak in any event. Nor did Clear impune Rush in implying he was being self serving for wanting to keep the tax cut. What's good for him is good for other people too. It's a mutual vested interest. Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008 Long Live the Empire! Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny. Login or register to post comments Email this page Good grief, dscott, why don't you let it go? February 5, 2008 - 15:52 ET by RJ Why should I "let it go" and not you? :^) Sorry that you're unable to make the connection. Clear claims that the hidden reason Rush says what he says is because he wants to protect his tax status. That means he's claiming that Rush isn't telling the truth (lying) about why he likes or dislikes particular candidates. Clear attempted to cast a negative light on tax cuts and those nasty, lying, selfish "rich" people who favor them....a decidedly liberal position. "We've been discovering that evangelicals aren't as conservative as we thought." -Tucker Carlson Login or register to post comments Email this page RJ, you're arguing for the February 5, 2008 - 15:57 ET by dscott RJ, you're arguing for the sake of arguing by reading into what he said. It's getting rather annoying. Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008 Long Live the Empire! Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny. Login or register to post comments Email this page dscott... Evidently RJ only February 5, 2008 - 16:05 ET by Clear thinker dscott... Evidently RJ only sees in what he reads what he wants to. I would not let him get under your skin. But thanks for defending me. The Conservative movement is about to be reborn. Login or register to post comments Email this page lol Clear and dscott February 5, 2008 - 16:10 ET by RJ Geez, that's sad. Youse guys just keep repeating that I'm wrong, but you still haven't mustered a single defense between the pair of ya. :^) "We've been discovering that evangelicals aren't as conservative as we thought." -Tucker Carlson Login or register to post comments Email this page RJ... You really have lost February 5, 2008 - 15:25 ET by Clear thinker RJ... You really have lost your mind! The Conservative movement is about to be reborn. Login or register to post comments Email this page You keep saying that, Clear February 5, 2008 - 15:38 ET by RJ ...but you're unable to defend yourself or refute that you've taken a liberal position. "We've been discovering that evangelicals aren't as conservative as we thought." -Tucker Carlson Login or register to post comments Email this page RJ... I refuse to refute February 5, 2008 - 15:44 ET by Clear thinker RJ... I refuse to refute them because your assertions are just plain stupid, and I do not have an inferiority complex. The Conservative movement is about to be reborn. Login or register to post comments Email this page Great argument, Clear. February 5, 2008 - 16:20 ET by RJ Your "so there, Mr. Stupidhead" argument is a slam dunk. Ok, you win... :^) "...and who expended all of his energies on preserving his opinions from contamination." -Michael Chabron, "Gentlemen of the Road" Login or register to post comments Email this page RJ... I won as soon as you February 5, 2008 - 16:24 ET by Clear thinker RJ... I won as soon as you posted BS about my post! The Conservative movement is about to be reborn. Login or register to post comments Email this page Hey, I already agreed with you, Clear February 5, 2008 - 16:34 ET by RJ No one can compete against your "so there, Mr. Stupidhead" arguments. :^) "We're finding that evangelicals aren't nearly as conservative as we thought. -Tucker Carlson Login or register to post comments Email this page Clear, it must really bug February 5, 2008 - 15:30 ET by Conservative Voice Clear, it must really bug you that Rush not only has endorsed Romney, but has said he has all three tiers of conservatism ( Fiscal, Social, and Foreign ) so you have to make leaps in logic to claim it is only because Rush personally benefits, so isn't being true to his principles. I have listened to Rush since 91, and consider myself a Rush conservative. And besides, Don't we all personally benefit from low taxes? Don't we all benefit when government governs on conservative principles. Login or register to post comments Email this page CV... No, why should it bug February 5, 2008 - 15:41 ET by Clear thinker CV... No, why should it bug me? I love Rush and have been a listener and very big fan of his for almost as long as you. As much as I love Rush, he does not have as much of an effect on elections as people would like to think. History can prove that out. As far as the 3 legged stool of conservatism, Rush has never said that Mitt has all three. And if for some reason I missed it, which is doubtful because I listen daily, then I appologize. The reality for me is this... when has MANDATING healthcare become a conservative plank? Mitt barely makes it to conservative-lite, but he does have great hair! I posted somewhere in this thread that I am for tax cuts for all tax payers. I would like to add... tax cuts ONLY to tax payers. If you don't pay taxes, you should NOT expect or demand money from the Gov! The Conservative movement is about to be reborn. Login or register to post comments Email this page 3-legged stool February 5, 2008 - 15:47 ET by masslibertarian You did miss it. He said it on yesterday's show. From yesterday's Rush in a Hurry email: "The three legs of the conservative stool are national security/foreign policy, social policy, and fiscal policy. Now, based on the way the campaign has shaken out, there probably is a candidate on our side who does embody all three legs of the stool, and that's Mitt Romney." Login or register to post comments Email this page Mass... Well, I stand February 5, 2008 - 15:53 ET by Clear thinker Mass... Well, I stand corrected. But just because Rush said it does not make it so! The Conservative movement is about to be reborn. Login or register to post comments Email this page Hey, who told you my old February 5, 2008 - 15:53 ET by Roger the Shrubber Hey, who told you my old college nickname? Login or register to post comments Email this page Rog... Which one, Mass or February 5, 2008 - 15:59 ET by Clear thinker Rog... Which one, Mass or Stand Corrected ;-) The Conservative movement is about to be reborn. Login or register to post comments Email this page Ct... Don't chastise me February 5, 2008 - 13:24 ET by bigtimer Ct... Don't chastise me either for about what I am going to suggest, this has nothing to do with Rush, it has to do with Thompson. I will forever wonder if he just threw his hat in the ring to help McCain in the end. Has this ever crossed your mind? It would not end up surprising me at this point, I have been hurt and disappointed by men in the past that I totally believed in politically...they don't call it a blood sport for nothing. Now as far as Rush goes and $$$ regarding tax cuts, I don't think he gives a rats rear when it comes down to it...he is not going to vote for a leftist who is one of the dirtiest campaigners there are politically...that piece of work is McCain. I hope Romney wins in the caucus here in Mt. today...and I will vote for him if I get the chance...it is no surprise to anyone that is here regularly that he has always been my second choice. Login or register to post comments Email this page Hi bt... I would never February 5, 2008 - 13:50 ET by Clear thinker Hi bt... I would never consider anything you say to me as chastising and I would never do that to your either. :-) No, the thought of Fred running interference for McCain never crossed my mind. Not that I ignored it, how could you ignore it being spoken about as much as it has, buuuut... Being in touch with people from his campaign (a very recent occurance) I can say without a doubt that Fred had no intention of running just to help his friend. They are friends but have major differences in ideology and Fred is too much of an honest guy to pull something like that. The Conservative movement is about to be reborn. Login or register to post comments Email this page Ct... Thanks for your February 5, 2008 - 13:55 ET by bigtimer Ct... Thanks for your response. You know, I hope this election doesn't hurt friendships here because of all of our different view-points and our different stands on matters...it is what makes the world go 'round. Login or register to post comments Email this page Wasn't it Dole who said I February 5, 2008 - 12:45 ET by Dan The Man 2 Wasn't it Dole who said I will not be held to the party platform? Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. Login or register to post comments Email this page Lose on principles February 5, 2008 - 13:02 ET by iveseenitall I would rather lose defending what I believe, then to "win" and ad to the on-going destruction of this nation. However, McCain is not going to win if he is nominated . His "supporters" in the media will destroy him. Why can't the RINOS see this? Frustrating. NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal" Login or register to post comments Email this page None of the 3 candidates February 5, 2008 - 13:06 ET by Clear thinker None of the 3 candidates stand a chance in the general election. I see at least 4 years of a Dem for president. Maybe the GOP really is dead?! The Conservative movement is about to be reborn. Login or register to post comments Email this page 4 years? You're a Pollyanna. February 5, 2008 - 13:12 ET by Chris Norman 4 years? You're a Pollyanna. I see at least 8. Despite the admirable hope of some here, that the Dems will tank and a new true conservative knight in shining armor will come riding to the rescue in 2012 (who, I don't know), I think it's pretty much whistling past the graveyard. Once the Dems get in, with the media providing the cover and backup, they will be hard to blast out. Login or register to post comments Email this page Chris, I covered myself in February 5, 2008 - 13:26 ET by Clear thinker Chris, I covered myself in the comment by saying "at least 4 years". The Conservative movement is about to be reborn. Login or register to post comments Email this page Ah. I see. Okay, I take it February 5, 2008 - 13:31 ET by Chris Norman Ah. I see. Okay, I take it back. You're not a Pollyanna. :) Login or register to post comments Email this page Thanks, I could not sleep February 5, 2008 - 13:37 ET by Clear thinker Thanks, I could not sleep tonight thinking I was being compared to a Polly or an Anna! The Conservative movement is about to be reborn. Login or register to post comments Email this page You may sleep the peaceful February 5, 2008 - 14:02 ET by Chris Norman You may sleep the peaceful sleep of a realistic cynic... :)