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Am I right, or am I right?
February 2, 2008 - 13:16 ET by third eyeI have a new hypothesis I would like to test. If your voting for Romney, then you believe Barack is the easier candidate to beat. Conversely, if you are voting for McCain, you think Clinton would be the easier Demo. to beat.
Let me know what you think.
they don't correllate
February 2, 2008 - 13:23 ET by botgthey don't correllate imo
I'm voting Romney because McAmnesty is a lib, it has nothing to do with the dems
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
71.5% of Republicans Do Not Want McCain as the President
February 2, 2008 - 18:16 ET by PopularTechPrimary Results:
87% of Republicans Do Not Want McCain in Iowa
63% of Republicans Do Not Want McCain in New Hampshire
61% of Republicans Do Not Want McCain in Michigan
87% of Republicans Do Not Want McCain in Nevada
67% of Republicans Do Not Want McCain in South Carolina
64% of Republicans Do Not Want McCain in Florida
An average 71.5% of Republicans Do Not Want McCain as the Presidential Nominee
Sources affirm McCain dissed Alito (WorldNetDaily)
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100% of this Republican
February 2, 2008 - 21:36 ET by Clear thinker100% of this Republican does NOT want McCain, Romney, Huckabee, Clinton, or Obama.
I want a Conservative for president! And please don't try and tell me Mitt, or John, or whoever, is a conservative. I ain't buyin!
The Conservative movement is about to be reborn.
Don't Buy It
February 2, 2008 - 21:56 ET by PopularTechRight in Fred or even better Ronald Reagan.
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There is no "Magic
February 3, 2008 - 03:37 ET by Gary P JacksonThere is no "Magic Republican".
I'm telling you, Renaldus Magnus himself was in this race, he wouldn't make your cut.
Mitt Romney isn't perfect. He's had some election year conversions, but so did Ronald Reagan. The man has principals. He's the only one running that doesn't have scandal after scandal dragging behind him.
If Romney isn't good enough for, then you will never ever be able to vote again!
We got a clean cut all American man. He's well spoken. He has a sharp mind. He is a business genius, as described on Neil Cavuto's show.
He knows we gotta rebuild the military, as well as keep the wheels rolling on the economy. Wanna bet he will not take the terror war seriously? I would think he would be very aggressive
Please tell me why you are so down on the guy. Is it because he is a Mormon?
I think Romney could easily
February 2, 2008 - 13:23 ET by Conservative VoiceI think Romney could easily beat either Hillary or Obama, and McCain will lose to Hillary or Obama.
I agree with Ann on this one, it would be better for Hillary to win than McCain.
Experience vs Change
February 2, 2008 - 13:32 ET by third eyeLets put aside the Repubs for a second, who do you think would be the easier Dem to beat?
Flip a coin
February 2, 2008 - 14:07 ET by Prester JohnIf the focus is on policy and not personality Obama should be easier to beat since (from what I can tell) he is more to the Left than HRC.
If however, the focus is on personality, HRC will be easier to beat. Watching and listening to her will be like to listening to fingernails on a blackboard. Obama on the other hand appears to be a reasonably nice guy who may actually listen to both sides of an issue and not always look down his nose at you.
Hillary is easier
February 2, 2008 - 14:36 ET by KC MulvilleShe's a stationary target. Most people have already made their mind up about her, and her percentages aren't likely to change much. She's still entrenched in the minority, with no hope of getting any more votes than she has now. Her only hope is that the majority against her doesn't show up in full strength, meaning that a lot of conservatives will stay home rather than vote for McCain, for example. As it is, she's gotten all the votes she's going to get.
Obama is another story. He doesn't show a fixed limit yet on how many votes he could get. Independents could move to him in a way that they would never move for Hillary.
What's that old 40-40-20 rule? No matter what happens, 40% will vote Republican, 40% will vote Democrat, and the election is really won among that undecided 20%. Hillary can't get any undecideds. Unless someone makes a good case against him, Obama could get a lot of them. Then again, I think Obama has no substance, and a good campaign against him will collapse his support.
That's NOT the Point
February 2, 2008 - 16:31 ET by CaringwhiteguyIt makes absolutely no difference who you, I or anyone else thinks might be a candidate that can more easily win the general. Think of it this way. Either Romney or McCain CAN beat either Clinton or Obama. It's their job, with our help, to do so. Therefore, which one (Romney or McCain) offers a set of beliefs and a record of governing and managing that is best for the country? That's where you vote should go. Period.
You got that right! And
February 2, 2008 - 18:54 ET by Gary P JacksonYou got that right!
And of course, there is only one choice: Mitt Romney.
'...only one choice: Mitt Romney'
February 2, 2008 - 19:05 ET by BarkerNow is the time for all good conservatives to come to the aid of their party.
Nattional polling (shown
February 2, 2008 - 20:13 ET by GregENattional polling (shown on Fox two nights ago) shows only McCain beats Obama or Clinton, and Romney handily loses to either, but that's NOW. When the two party nominees are set in March/April, they'll have 6 months to pound each other and things can absolutely change, so the polls showing Romney has no shot against Obama or Clinton are pure crap because polls on that topic at this time are probably at a 20-30% margin of error. Remember how high Rudy was in the polls in November? And where is he now?
What needs to happen is for Huckabee to drop out so his voters can move on. I believe most go to Romney, except for those whose decision-making issue is Romney being Mormon, and if that's enough for some people to not vote for, then that's very strong for them and they won't vote for him regardless of other issues, which is their prerogative. But many Huckabee voters will vote Romney. I don't know how bad of a defeat it's going to take for Huckabee to step aside though. If he keeps hanging around regardless of his primary finishes, he's really helping McCain, in my opinion.
Greg ... Could not agree
February 2, 2008 - 20:25 ET by bigtimerGreg ...
Could not agree more....
I hope Romney does not give up, I hope he has the fortitude and money to stay in until Huck leaves...Huck can't have that much money left can he...unless McCain is helping him out...how much money does McCain have I wonder and who from.
If Huck goes...Romney will win.
McCain knows that...he and Huck make me ill.
Wouldnt THAT be
February 2, 2008 - 20:38 ET by GregEWouldnt THAT be interesting, if McCain were passing money to Huck to keep him in. Ok, that's conspiracy thinking so I'm done.
Huck ain't leaving.. http://youdecide08.f...
And if Huck runs out of money, he still doesn't have to get out of the race. He simply wouldn't be able to pay for things, yet his name would still be on the ballot, and by now everyone knows his name so he'd still draw votes. That's why I believe he'll stay in until the end, or after the mess of McCain being the nominee is beyond reversal. Perhaps Huck would like a VP slot in a McCain admin.
Greg... I'm hoping Huck
February 2, 2008 - 20:48 ET by bigtimerGreg...
I'm hoping Huck will get out after Tuesday, no matter what he says...I can hope anyway...I had hoped he wouldn't have the $$$ to make it through March 4th I think it is.
...anyway...of course he is angling for VP or some-such job...quite sure he has been guaranteed whatever it is ...lol.
Even if his name is still on the ballots and he withdraws there wouldn't be all that many that would still vote for him you wouldn't think, I think the majority of the Huck supporters would go to Romney.
Well just have to hope and pray plus have a lot of patience....
How many bucks could a Huckabee suck if a.......
February 2, 2008 - 21:15 ET by BarkerHere's a good place to start.
Hey
February 2, 2008 - 21:17 ET by bigtimerHey Barker...
Thanks....
I saw at the bottom there two Walmart's and one Tyson....I will check more later...got a game to catch with the second half starting.
Awesome site. Thanks!
February 2, 2008 - 21:46 ET by GregEAwesome site. Thanks!
You're All Welcome
February 2, 2008 - 22:18 ET by BarkerFollow the milk-money.......
I agree too, Greg. I am so
February 2, 2008 - 22:45 ET by motherbeltI agree too, Greg. I am so sick of hearing this one beats that one, etc. I t just makes me want to scream!! I said in another thread, if all this is so true, why don't they just do a poll, announce the winner, and we can just forego the election in November. I mean why bother, they already know who is going to win.
Let's see..McCain looks like a lock for the nomination. And he beats both Clinton and Obama. There you go! President-elect John McCain!! Save us a lot of time.
Jeez...are they too stupid to realize that everything is going to change once there is a nominee from each party? And a month is forever in politics, nevermind 7 or 8! Who knows what might happen???
Yeah.....easily. sarc
February 2, 2008 - 13:33 ET by shawn228Yeah.....easily. sarc on.
Hillary has a friend
shawn, did you miss the
February 2, 2008 - 14:02 ET by motherbeltshawn, did you miss the video leading this thread?
motherbelt
February 2, 2008 - 14:21 ET by shawn228I have had this tagline since 5am this morning before this open thread started. I will change it back to my old one, just to make you happy.
"Suck it"
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What??
February 2, 2008 - 15:46 ET by motherbeltWhat??
motherbelt
February 2, 2008 - 15:50 ET by shawn228You were referring to my "Hillary has a friend" tagline weren't you?
"Suck it"
Pop Tech
I didn't realize it was a
February 2, 2008 - 20:00 ET by motherbeltI didn't realize it was a tag line. I thought it was part of the comment. I was teasing you, because you posted a link to the same video that headed the column.
Sorry. Won't make that mistake again.
It doesn't matter to me what anyone's tag line is. Don't change it on my account....
I agree with Ann too
February 2, 2008 - 14:18 ET by kgI agree with Ann too.
Why elect McCain just to have the press bash him from day one. That got old with Bush, day in and day out, every day.
Why not elect Hillary and let her really screw things up as the press tries to hide it. I predict that a 'President Hillary' would end up being impeached just like her partner. The corruption of her past is only a starting point. Imagine what would come about with her being president. Entertainment at it's finest. Then the Democrat party would cave.
Many people have the same
February 2, 2008 - 20:23 ET by GregEMany people have the same thinking on letting the Democrat really screw up. The only problem with that is liberals love government programs. If the liberal was in office, yet couldn't get a monstrous program in place, then I'd be for it if I knew that would be the case, BUT, even if the liberal screws things up, if he or she gets the gargantuan government programs in place, those NEVER go away.
On programs, liberals have to be successful ONCE. Conservatives have to be successful stopping it every OTHER time. Based on that, liberalism is a much easier mindset to be in. Tax everyone and slam in a program. That's simple, no thinking necessary. Conservatism takes thought.
Great statement, GregE. I
February 2, 2008 - 20:27 ET by HermanoGreat statement, GregE. I have been trying to think why it was that I never heard anything of substance from the left. These are exactly the right words. Thank you.
With friends like these...
February 2, 2008 - 23:40 ET by masslibertarianA garantuan gub-ment program like, oh, say, a Medicare drug benefit? We have a Republican congress and President Bush to thank for this one.
I know that very well, and
February 3, 2008 - 12:59 ET by GregEI know that very well, and was against it. Democrats were against it too, because they wanted it bigger. They also want this nonsense stimulus package to be expanded, so here it sits awaiting more debating whether to expand the handouts. They also want the S-CHIP program to be expanded. Etc, etc, etc.
Well, vote for Hillary then.
February 2, 2008 - 22:30 ET by lotrWell, vote for Hillary then.
Untrue, imo
February 2, 2008 - 15:34 ET by Scout FinchAnyone who thinks this campaign will be a tea party because Clinton and McCain are buddies, is very much mistaken. The very second McCain becomes the Republican candidate, the press will come out with sharpened knives. C'mon! He's such an easy target!
They'll report on how old he is. How unstable his mental condition is. How he's flip-flopped on many issues. Those are what come immediately to mind, you can add others to the list.
My point is, McCain's exactly who the Dems and the press wanted on the "R" side. He'll be so easy to take down. At least 2008 will be the year that puts the stake in McCain's political heart. Buh-bye, John.
The MSM will just use the
February 2, 2008 - 16:14 ET by red_dragon311The MSM will just use the sound bite's from Rush, Hannity, and any other conservitive to say "Look even THEY don't like him"
we are kinda giving them the ammo they need to crush McCain
"Get off the phone you big dope!!!!!!!!!!" Mark Levin
The MSM will just use the
February 3, 2008 - 07:52 ET by motherbeltThe MSM will just use the sound bite's from Rush, Hannity, and any other conservitive to say "Look even THEY don't like him"
The MSM won't use it to crush McCain; they will use it to build him up. They will say those guys don't like McCain because he is not "right-wing" enough for them, because he "reaches across the aisle" etc. McCain will weave that into a big "PLUS" and the MSM will assist him in doing that.
Exactly!
February 2, 2008 - 18:16 ET by NofScout thats been there plan the whole time, divide the Repub vote between Romney and McAlien with the Huckster as the spoiler sucking votes from Romney giving McAlien the majority all the while the press touts Old Man Fiddlesticks as a great leader...blah blah blah. The Hucklespoiler drops out and supports OMF. Romney get defeated in the primaries and OMF becomes the Rep nominee. The press and the Dems wet themselves that there plan has worked and bring all guns to bear on the feable, anger management issue war hero who lost more planes then a salvage yard McAnger. Its so clear that its sad. Bill O said on Wed that McAlien's comeback was impressive and that "the press had nothing to do with it" I about broke my TV over that comment and probably scared my neighbors yelling at the TV. They (press) have been giving this guy non-stop coverage, puffing him as the greatest guy ever and bearly mention the other guy....the morman....flippidly flop governer...etc...Most people believe what they see on TV. Romney has had the cards stacked against him from the start.
"When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat" R. Reagan
I don't think McCain can
February 2, 2008 - 18:51 ET by Gary P JacksonI don't think McCain can beat either one of the dims.
I do think Romney could mop the floor with either one.
With McCain, there is not enough difference between the candidates to make much difference. I think a dim or independent would just go ahead and vote for the one who actually has a (D) after their name. Why settle?
On the other hand, Romney and the dims are 180 degrees out. It would be a bad a$$ debate.
And for the record, I think Ann is dead serious. At least about the voting for her part. And you KNOW the campaign would use this video!
Ann Coulter is a
February 2, 2008 - 20:54 ET by LilyPearlAnn Coulter is a hypocrite. For someone like Ann, who is strongly pro life, to say she will campaign for Hillary over John McCain, who has a strong pro life voting record, just reeks. Now I don't like the fact that he supports embryonic stem cell research, but he is against abortion. If it comes between Hillary and McCain, I will vote for McCain based on his anti abortion voting record. I used to like Ann, but she is becoming a parody of herself.
Lily
February 2, 2008 - 21:05 ET by botgAnn is bombastic and a liberal user of the (hegalian) dialectic. As such the descriptive term parodorical fits her well.
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
LilyPearl
February 2, 2008 - 21:05 ET by candanceBetter think twice about John McCain. He has recently said he wants Roe v Wade to stay in place because all those poor girls would die in backalley abortions without it. He also said he would not consider abortion when looking for judges.
Think I'm lying? The Washington Post quoted him.
McCain has a consistent
February 2, 2008 - 23:01 ET by lotrMcCain has a consistent pro-life record; that's more than we can say about the chameleon Mitt. Since when do we take what the Washington Compost as the "no-spin zone" about candidates positions around here? George W. Bush never said he would "consider abortion" when looking for judges either (and he was flat out asked about this during the 2004 debates) Thank God he had more political savvy than that, else we would've all elected Algore for 8 years. And the MSM has crucified him, nonetheless.
lotr?
February 2, 2008 - 23:19 ET by candanceAre you kidding me? You think the Washington Post made that up?
In 2000 the San Fransico Chronicle quoted McCain saying "Certainly in the short term, or even in the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v Wade, which would then force x number of women in America to illegal and dangerous operations."
McCain did nothing to deny or challenge the story.
In 2007 he did a total flip-flop and said he wanted Roe v Wade gone.
I've posted a link to a well-known newspaper that ran his direct quote. Please provide a link to show McCain challenged the quote as a lie. I've searched the web and haven't found one yet.
I'm not saying the Compost
February 3, 2008 - 22:28 ET by lotrI'm not saying the Compost made that up -- just that they are likely to have put spin on it. Regardless of what he (McCain) may have said about overthrowing Roe v. Wade, his senate voting record has been pro-life, which is infinitely more (given that they have a 100% pro-abortion track record) than we can say about either Hillary or "let-the-'abortus'-die-on-the-table" Barack. As a social conservative, I am diametrically opposed to Hillary or Barack, but it seems folks here want to see the pro-choice dream-team win.
LilyPearl, I usually like
February 2, 2008 - 23:09 ET by lotrLilyPearl, I usually like Ann Coulter -- her sarcasm is a welcome relief to liberal insanity sometimes. However, I agree with you on this one, and unfortunately her comments are being taken seriously here. And BTW, McCain supported using the "left-over" embryos that would be destroyed (a position many other Republicans in Congress also broke rank with Bush on, including the Senator from the Commonwealth of Virginia) -- he doesn't support unmitigated embryonic stem cell research. Not perfect, but leagues better than ALL the pro-abortion Democratic candidates.
You are wrong!
February 2, 2008 - 23:33 ET by masslibertarianI support Romney over McCain without regard to which of the other 2 liberals he'll have to face in November.
point is
February 2, 2008 - 13:21 ET by botgMcAmnesty is a lib
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Hey Ann, I'd think twice
February 2, 2008 - 13:42 ET by rbosqueHey Ann, I'd think twice about that. The Bilderburgs like here to be president...
"...Hillary will be good for America...
we'll be very pleased that she's president." -- Lynn Forester de Rothschild, Portfolio
magazine, October 5, 2007
Same thing happened before Bill was elected.
I compared Juan McAmnestys
February 2, 2008 - 13:48 ET by ConservativeRexI compared Juan McAmnestys voting record with Ed Kennedy's, and on just the illegal immigrant bill it's enough to keep him out of office. But there is much more to compare them, along with Barry and PIAPS. We MUST, MUST keep Juan out of the WH. He's not right for America, not right for Conservatives.
Conservatives can handle anything thrown at us in politics, we thrived under Billy Jeff for instance. If it takes, we will wait and get a REAL Conservative in the WH, one that'll quit spending like a drunken Dem and take care of what's in our Constitution.
Until then, we will join the fight. Resist where we have to, and push when we can. Maybe this next crop of conservatives will have a spine and not worry about what Libs think or what the MSM thinks.
The Day the Music Died
February 2, 2008 - 14:01 ET by ricklailToday is the 49th anniversary of the death of Charles Harden "Buddy" Holly. Buddy along with J.P. " The Big Bopper" Richardson and Richie "La Bamba" Vallens died when their plane crashed near Clearlake, Iowa in the early morning hours of Feb. 2, 1959. If I remember correctly Richie Vallens was only 16 years old with a very promising career ahead of him. As you go about today, whistle a Buddy Holly tune in tribute.
If you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes.-Lewis Grizzard
Hey, rick!
February 2, 2008 - 14:05 ET by drillanwrOne of my all time favorite songs ... EVER! And perhaps one of THE best guitar performances ever ...
SleepWalk - Ritchie Valens
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ENyUZbcpQHE
I didn't know that. I guess
February 2, 2008 - 14:37 ET by ricklailI didn't know that. I guess we have thought of Richie as more of a singer than a guitarist. I guess to me Dick Dale is the greatest because I went to so many beach movies in my teens.
If you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes.-Lewis Grizzard
SleepWalk - Ritchie Valens
February 2, 2008 - 14:49 ET by richardHey drill, I ain't gettin your tribute to Ritchie Valens for SleepWalk.
Yea, that was the signature song for the movie about Ritchie Valens, but it had zero to do with his performances, other than he played it like so many others. That song was written and performed by Santo & Johnny, and that's where all credit should go.
You're right though about it being an all time great instrumental.
Hey, I just like it ...
February 2, 2008 - 14:54 ET by drillanwrHey, I just like it ...
That brings back some
February 2, 2008 - 19:02 ET by Gary P JacksonThat brings back some memories! And you are right, Sleepwalk is one of the great all time instrumentals.
Brian Setzer does one heck of a version on his "Dirty Boogie" album.
Bugs Henderson, one of the greatest unknown guitarists also does one heck of a riff with it. Check out his website:
http://www.bugshende...
Gary et al -
February 2, 2008 - 19:33 ET by drillanwrBrian Setzer - Sleepwalk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=B9oHghXKh0E
You'll find other samples of him playing the song on the site.
Bugs Henderson live @ the Granada Theater in Dallas Tx
http://youtube.com/watch?v=n90RIPhehCs
Kool!
February 2, 2008 - 20:15 ET by Gary P JacksonKool!
One of the best concerts I
February 2, 2008 - 23:39 ET by balboaOne of the best concerts I ever went to, The Brian Setzer Orchestra.
Did you see Brian &
February 3, 2008 - 03:42 ET by Gary P JacksonDid you see Brian & Orchestra's Christmas show? it was fantastic!
Did he play that in the
February 2, 2008 - 15:51 ET by motherbeltDid he play that in the movie? I only remember the Santo and Johnny version...I didn't know Richie Valens had one too. Been a loooong time since I've seen the movie too, so I didn't remember it.
Do you know which one of them did the original and whose was the cover version? Not that it matters....great song by anyone.
That song was written and
February 2, 2008 - 16:02 ET by richardThat song was written and performed by Santo & Johnny, and that's where all credit should go.
Ritchie Valens was an OK guitar player at best.
Sleep walk
February 2, 2008 - 18:00 ET by BufordAhhh, fond memories of the back seat of my car on Daytona Beach watching the "Submarine Races" with my honey.
The nearest thing to eternal life we will ever see on this earth is a government program...........Ronald Reagan
See!
February 2, 2008 - 18:27 ET by drillanwrGreat song ... whoever is responsible for it.
Valens Soundtrack
February 2, 2008 - 21:52 ET by Del DolemonteIn the movie, it's the Santo and Johnny cover.
For some strange reason, on the music CD soundtrack album (CD), the song does not appear. That may be because it was only used briefly in the movie.
Let's not forget who did much of the great music for that movie, one of the best working rock and roll bands in America today-Los Lobos.
Yes, Brian Setzer had a
February 3, 2008 - 03:46 ET by Gary P JacksonYes, Brian Setzer had a part in the movie. Playing Eddie Cochran.
http://imdb.com/name...
Santo and Johnny, but you
February 2, 2008 - 19:48 ET by robert108Santo and Johnny, but you were close.
The Guys Who Gave Up Their Seats
February 2, 2008 - 21:38 ET by Del Dolemontehttp://www.jsonline....
Many people forget the two guys who gave up their seats on the plane to the Big Bopper and Richie Valens. One was named Waylon Jennings, the other was Holly's guitar player Tommy Allsup, who would later go on to play with and produce Bob Wills and His Texas Playboys.
Tommy in fact performed in Clear Lake at the Surf Ballroom last night, some 49 years after he lost a coin toss to Valens for a seat on the plane:
http://www.globegaze...
Is she being serious, or intentionally provocative?
February 2, 2008 - 14:02 ET by drillanwrI think ANN is trying to scare the living crap out of
the base (who don't appear to be outwardly involved in this primary process),
Romney (who needs to start fighting damn harder because he is our last best candidate that even remotely resembles a conservative),
McCain (who needs to 1. think before he chooses people to help with his campaign who don't have our nation's sovereignty at the forefront of homeland and economic security 2. stop taking for granted the conservative wing of the republican party because many will stay home on election day and GIVE the presidency to the dems. His hero POW status only goes so far. I'm sorry ...)
Anyhow, if you listen carefully at the beginning of the video clip Ann does admit, "Okay, that part isn't true ..." I assume in regards to her campaining for Hillary comment.
Ramblings
February 2, 2008 - 15:51 ET by richardAnn is infuriated, as I am, that supposed conservative Republicans can't seem to see the forest thru the trees. A lot of these unthinking folks are either blind to McCain's lying and deceiving or they feel that he should get the nod simple because of his former POW status.
Understand people, conservatives give more credence to those who speak the truth, than to those who manipulate soley for their own personal agenda, even if it comes from a liberal. That is exactly what McCain has been doing and will continue to do up to the day of his inaguration.
There are some differences between McCain and his Democratic counterparts, but in all reality, these differences are not enough to trump his dishonesty. These character flaws of his have been enough to fracture the Republican part as never before.
Mitt Romney has been labeled a flip-flopper because of changes in ideology over the years, but these conversions were made after long and carefull consideration, not just whim adjustments to fit whatever it takes to jibe the folks into thinking they are on our side, such as McCain is doing.
The Democrats are smart enough to see how McCain's duplicity is effecting our party, and of course they will attack that weakness by pushing hard, via the MSM, to make sure he is our nominee, knowing full well that vast amounts of Republicans will sit home or actually vote for one of theirs before they go against their own core beliefs and vote for McCain.
If the Democrats were smart, they would make sure that Obama is their candidate, because both McCain and Clinton fall into the loath-some category and disgruntled Republicans will cross over to vote for him, but will never do so for her.
This McCain isn't a Conservative is getting out of hand
February 2, 2008 - 14:09 ET by JayTeeLook Coulter, Miss Ann, If McCain is such a Bad Conservative, lets elect him President and then he will be OUT of the SENATE...basically we can gain a Senate Seat for the Republicans, and take McCain out of Action as a legislator.
McCain can no longer co-operate with Kennedy or Feingold, he is suddenly taken out of the Legislative process. He will NOT have a vote in Congress, but the VP can have a VOTE if needed.
McCain says he will Cut Taxes and Cut Fed. Spending, He's Pro Military and Anti terrorist, He's Pro Life, and we all Like these in a Conservative. He says these things in his Campaign Speeches.
We don't like his Immigration stance.....well......we didn't like Pres. Bush's support of the Amenesty Bill, yet we (the People) stopped the Amnesty bill from even getting out of Congress. The State Govts. are now passing State immigration laws to pre-empt the Feds, and we have laws on the books that can be enforced on Immigration. Felons are supposed to be deported, enforce it. States hand out drivers licenses, don't give 'em to Illegals. Illegals left Oklahoma in droves after the State passed new laws targeted at illegal immigrants.
So I don't see McCain as an "Amnesty" threat anymore. He's been disarmed.
I don't like McCain's ANWR drilling stance, NOR do I like his Pro CO 2 is a pollutant Global warming stance. But ANY item to address this comes out of the Congress/Senate via Legislation. So I think shoving McCain into the Presidency allows him to sign tax Cuts, decrease Government Spending, and pursue the victory in Iraq.
But it is Nothing in, Nothing out, if Legislators don't give Amnesty bills to the President to sign.
Bottom line, I can go with McCain on his Partial Conservative Platform, as I think electing a Conservative Congress/Senate is more important since the Democrat Majority controls it right now.
I think Hillary is more of a Dufus than McCain, and I will not vote for a Socialist. I'll vote for a Part Time Conservative before I vote for Obamarama the Liberal B-HO.
Yep, those conservative
February 2, 2008 - 14:15 ET by Conservative VoiceYep, those conservative congress members sure stood up to Bush on spending, not to mention the other liberal policies he pushed.
And people will not vore in Republicans if the Republican President is not a conservative. When a President is out of control, the people vote in the opposite party in to balance the power.
You are right, it would be nice to have him no longer a Senator, but come on, a President is much more powerful than a Senator.
Conservative voice in the dark
February 2, 2008 - 14:52 ET by JayTeeA President is much more Powerful than a Senator ....... Yes, but in different ways. Yes he has a VETO, but YES the Congress/Senate Can override a VETO...a balance of power.
The President is Commander in Chief.........but the President does NOT command the State laws, Drivers license enforcement, State Taxes, etc.... The Presidents reach has some Limits. McCain does have Conservative views that his Presidency can address within the Bureaucracy, but Introducing bills in Congress is not one of them, he signs, he vetoes, but he doesn't compose and debate on the floor of Congress.
Yes, the President is more powerful, he appoints Cabinet posts, but Congress is Equal in many ways ... as the Congress and the President have to co-operate to accomplish War/Peace/Taxes/Court nominees. The Pres isn't a Czar or a Dictator.
One congressman != congress.
February 2, 2008 - 16:21 ET by Conservative VoiceOne congressman != congress. President lobbies congress to write certain bills, this is civics 101. McCain will have more power than he did as a Senator, this is not even debatable. Fact is I do not want to promote McCain, I want him fired!
JT -
February 2, 2008 - 14:18 ET by drillanwrIf McCain is such a Bad Conservative, lets elect him President and then he will be OUT of the SENATE...basically we can gain a Senate Seat for the Republicans, and take McCain out of Action as a legislator.
McCain can no longer co-operate with Kennedy or Feingold, he is suddenly taken out of the Legislative process. He will NOT have a vote in Congress, but the VP can have a VOTE if needed.
I really tend to agree with you on this. Unlike many conservatives who vow NOT to vote if it's McCain, or worse yet to vote Hillary, I WILL vote for him.
I believe this election, on the republican side at least, is going to come down to WHO is the Veep running-mate. We saw the start of this with GWBush in 2000. That whole gravitas crap ... and then he selected Dick "later known as Darth" Cheney. EVERYONE knows Cheney has been very active in these two administrations.
I believe gone are the days of the silent figure-head Veep. I think we saw the last of that with Al Gore. Hell, I can't even recall Carter's Veep ...
Whoever Hillary would choose (and Obsama too ... especially him) would NEVER be given any sort of active participation in her administration, other than hunting and gathering donors for her coffers for the next election.
I want to vote for who is
February 2, 2008 - 14:26 ET by USA4freedomI want to vote for who is best for America. Not, who beats whom. One of the reasons is Clinton and Giuliani “were” shoo-ins 6 months ago, and now?
THAT is what the RNC does not understand about us. IT’S NOT ALL ABOUT WHO WINS (or who beats who) ITS ABOUT WHO RUNS THE COUNTRY.
We have someone that will promise us rainbows and unicorns and magically “free” health care. Then we have someone that has so little respect for the office that they have sex in the oval office. Then there is someone willing to sell out this complete nation to being over run by an army of 3rd world people that do not even speak our language, just to get their votes?
Then there is Mitt, and he is way behind in the polls.
Look if those three are my choice, I will vote Libertarian, and no my candidate will not win, but from the look of it neither will America.
I still will vote for Republicans in the general election. But I’m sorry I can not vote for a man that shoots us the finger at every chance. For that, I am to reward him? The only thing that give me worry is SCOTUS, but then, Mc Cain thinks that some are “too conservative” anyway.
Lets face it, he thinks he can win with out us. If he does win it will be with out a large part of our backing. So why would he care what we think or do?
I love the people that tell us well, what if he promised us, XYZ in the Republican platform? Not that he has or ever will. The platform means nothing for the most part. Its just window dressing.
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party,the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Don't get me wrong ... I
February 2, 2008 - 14:32 ET by drillanwrDon't get me wrong ...
I AM hoping and praying damn hard Romney pulls this out in the end.
Yea me too, for the good of
February 2, 2008 - 14:50 ET by USA4freedomYea me too, for the good of this great country
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party,the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
McCain can no longer
February 2, 2008 - 16:02 ET by motherbeltMcCain can no longer co-operate with Kennedy or Feingold,
he is suddenly taken out of the Legislative process. He will NOT have
a vote in Congress, but the VP can have a VOTE if needed.
Yeah, but there will still be others to cooperate with Kennedy etc., and President McCain would sign what they send him. How is that a plus? Didn't he say he would actually sign his amnesty bill that failed, but don't worry, they won't let it get to him? Are we supposed to be comforted by that?
I don't know why anyone cares about VP. Who was it that said the job of a VP is to go to state funerals? I still remember Bush saying his VP choice would "make your eyes light up." Then cam Cheney, and everyone went "HUH?"
As Thomas Sowell said
McCain's "straight talk express" should be called the “sell-out express” because McCain has
sold out not only with amnesty for illegal aliens but also sold out the
First Amendment.....
And he also said:
Super Tuesday may be the voters’ last chance to bring the so-called “straight talk express” to a screeching halt.
I could respond to your lies but I am not allowed
February 2, 2008 - 21:41 ET by PopularTechYour post is full of lies and naive nonsense but since I am unable to respond to this your lies will stay unchallenged which is good for McCain and Huckasuck supporters.
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PopularTech
February 2, 2008 - 21:47 ET by Free StinkerPT - could you post any anti-McCain links you have as a Forum Topic in "Off-Topic" Then you can just link to it! ;-)
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Better This Way
February 2, 2008 - 21:53 ET by PopularTechIt is better that McCain and Huckasuck Supporters can keep the facts out this so they can attract more naive idiots.
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Ok. :-( Do you
February 2, 2008 - 21:58 ET by Free StinkerOk. :-(
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