Kossacks Bash Netroots for Bashing Obama's Bash of Gore and Kerry

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The liberal blogosphere has given conservatives a late Christmas present in the form of some truly delicious squabbling over whether or not Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) is being too harsh in his criticisms of past and present Democrat presidential candidates.

Those looking for halftime entertainment much finer than the Michigan marching band performing "Springtime for Hitler" are highly encouraged to check out a diary posted at Daily Kos Tuesday entitled "More Unnecessary Attacks on Obama, This Time from Markos" (emphasis added throughout):

In my last diary, I discussed some of the unreasonable attacks on Barack Obama that came from Jerome Armstrong over at MyDD. Unfortunately, it seems that Markos has decided to take up the banner of irrational behavior and attack Obama.

Stick with this, sports fans...you won't be disappointed:

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The source of the displeasure stems from Obama's comment about trial lawyers and his comments about divisive elections. Instead of paying attention to the liberties taken by the journalists who wrote these stories - along with the comments themselves - Markos (along with others in the blogosphere) quickly jumped on Obama for reinforcing right-wing frames.

This is simply false, and I'm quite disappointed that Markos has made a couple of posts in this vein.T

The author, PsiFighter37, then did a marvelous job tearing apart the Great Kos's position on this matter:

The first item I'd like to address is Obama's comment about trial lawyers, which was first reported on the Washington Post blog The Trail.

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Many in the blogosphere, such as Markos, Atrios, and Todd Beeton at MyDD, automatically interpreted this to be a full-out attack on Edwards and his past as a trial lawyer.

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[T]he claim that Obama is rushing to embrace a right-wing frame is completely ludricrous.

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Obama was never alluding to any of the common complaints the right wing has about trial lawyers - namely, that they create a drag on the economy and are to fully blame for problems with the health care system. Instead, he was pointing out that Edwards' career in law - as a trial lawyer - is the one that is most likely to make you rich the quickest. To be fair, the way Obama framed it comes off badly; people don't become trial lawyers solely for the money. But I think what he wanted to emphasize is that he chose a career that didn't pay well and solely contributed to the betterment of society. However, it is far from the right-wing talking points that Markos and the rest of the blogosphere made it out to be.

Dontcha just love a DKos member pointing out the absurdity of the netroots right in their backyard, especially as his complaint is with the attack we see ad nauseum from this ilk, namely, suggesting that any time a Democrat politician, operative, or media member does anything not to their liking, it automatically means said individual is mimicking Republican talking points?

But this wasn't PsiFi's only problem with Markos, for earlier in the day, Kos posted the following:

Psst, Barack, slamming John Kerry and Al Gore is what Republicans do. Not Democrats.

Making an argument for his electability, Obama said, "I don't want to go into the next election starting off with half the country already not wanting to vote for Democrats -- we've done that in 2004, 2000," according to a person at the event (rush transcript).

Funny, that. Last time I checked, Gore won his election. And really, is Obama going to argue now that the nation was divide because of the Democrats' fault? Is that the latest right-wing talking point he wants to peddle?

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Obama's recent embrace of right-wing talking points and wholesale embracing of Broderite "Unite 08" talking points suggests that he's giving up on Iowa and playing to the independent vote in New Hampshire. He has to stay close in Iowa to remain viable in New Hampshire, but I'm not sure why else he would decide to shit on Democrats at such a rapid clip these past few days.

Before handing this back to PsiFighter, I wanted to point out that neither Gore nor Kerry got 50 percent of the votes cast in 2000 and 2004 respectively. As such, Obama mentioning this, despite the protestations of the Great Kos, is hardly a right-wing talking point, unless all inconvenient truths can now be so characterized.

Take it away, PsiFi:

Good God, Markos, read the piece before making assertions like that. The first problem is the title of the blog entry: "Obama: Gore, Kerry alienated 'half the country'". That's patently false; in that tidbit, nowhere does Obama mention either Gore or Kerry by name. What the writer is doing is connecting Obama's comments automatically to the Democratic candidates from those years. Furthermore, who said that Obama is criticizing either Gore or Kerry? A big part of the problem was the campaigns that backed those candidates: they were standard, conventional campaigns that fought for the 'elusive center' and therefore made the candidates at the time seem wishy-washy. No matter how much any of us like Gore or Kerry (and I'm a huge Gore fan), it is hard to call their campaigns during 2000 and 2004, respectively, inspiring. To make a rash implied assumption that Obama was directly criticizing Gore or Kerry is ridiculous and fails to look for any nuance in the statement.

Heck with nuance, PsiFi. It's simply devoid of logic, and well beneath the political acumen of someone so high up in the netroots foodchain. In fact, as PsiFi concluded, it's downright disgraceful:

In short, Markos is way off-base in his criticisms of Obama. I don't understand why, but it seems that the leading bloggers in the netroots have been quick to harp on anything they interpret to be a mistake by Obama. It's partially the fault of the blogosphere as well; it seems that the one initial report on Obama's comments about trial lawyers (from Talking Points Memo) simply filtered out to the rest of the blogosphere. I have no doubt the same will now happen with these misconstrued comments about past elections.

If you're going to make criticisms of a candidate, make sure that they are valid. Don't fall into the trap of making the same slipshod assumptions that reporters are doing.

With all potentially due respect, PsiFi, the validity of criticisms has never been important to members of the netroots, especially its leaders. This is what makes them so pleasurable to watch dissemble, in particular when one of their own does it so adroitly.

Thanks for the gifts regardless of their belated nature. We owe you one.

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Nothing funnier than a

Nothing funnier than a Democratic circular firing squad....

ROFL!

A couple of months ago Kos

A couple of months ago Kos took some flack around the time of the Kos Konvention for saying for him some nice things about the Hilliary thing which is usually something closer to a punching bag for him.

The most stated Kos mantra is simply for Dems to win, but then he pitches for furthur left Dems would be a better choice in his world view.

He tends to be the first to not want Dems to bash each other but all sing in 30 part harmony but thinks for some reason he should be bandmaster.

Just hope he doesn't try to campaign on his own record of election successes.

Well maybe actually I do.

He does have an agenda

Kos just doesn't want any Dem to win - he wants his Dem to win.

Initially the Koz Kidz were all on board with Edwards, but Markos is ambitious and either he is going mainstream or the Hillary campaign "bought" him, because he is saying nicer things about her than previously.

Then, of course, is his clearly biased statement on Meet The Press when asked about the hate posts on his blog and he responded (referrring to Jewish hate posts) that those are "regular people" to legitimize their views. He has hated Joe Lieberman and now he seems to hate Barack Obama. You draw your own conclusions.

 Poor PsiFi will be

 Poor PsiFi will be shouted down cussed out and run out of Kos's digital Banana republic with flaming torches. Especially when the whole of Kossackstan find's out this is being featured  over here at NB.

When Markos mixes up a batch of Cool-Aid, you dont' f-with it.

Your right Noel absolutly delectable !

 

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

Troll

For breaking how own rules concerning trolls, is it possible that Markos can get banned off his own blog?

 

Not really any different

Not really any different than the pillow fighting that goes on in the rightosphere IMO.  I'd expect to see a lot of this over the next few months.

Deliciously entertaining!

Deliciously entertaining!

Trial lawyers are people too!

But when a trial lawyer like John Edwards makes a living talking up the supposed divide between the two Americas, even as he is a living example of the many opportunities available for people to jump that gap, its really something to behold.

A walking contradiction.  

I saw Edwards doing a stump

I saw Edwards doing a stump speech last night. A good rundown of what he is now saying to everyone in Iowa is here. He was talking about how big oil companies made record profits while families struggled...other big companies making "excessive" profits...does this guy have any clue at all how capitalism works? I noticed he didn't have any complaints about how much trial lawyers earn....I guess excessive profits are OK in that sector.

Not a walking contradiction; a walking hypocrite.

Let's not forget the source of "The Two Americas"

The phrase and the sentiments come from this: 

The Two Americas

"The following keynote address was delivered on July 1, 1948 to the 13th National Convention of the Socialist Workers Party."

Edwards' cradle to grave nanny state platform would be resoundingly approved by these people.   He's the most blatantly Socialistic of all the candidates.

Maybe Edwards and Romney

Maybe Edwards and Romney should run on the same ticket, they would compliment each other quite nicely.  <sarcasm>

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.

btw - Fred & Duncan 08

HUH? That's absurd, dscott

I hope you're not being so ridiculous as to claim that Romney is a Socialist, the same as Edwards? 

Hence the "<sarcasm>"But

Hence the "<sarcasm>"

But now that I got a rise out of you, you don't deny that Romney was for gay marriage before he was against it?  How about being for abortion before he was against it?  How about Universal Health Care (Socialistic control of the means of production), he was for it when he signed it into law and now what is his stand?  And this very law subsidizes abortion so it only cost $50 to kill an inconvenient rug rat.  Does that sound conservative to you?  Or does that sound like a Dem in drag (RINO)? http://www.bizzyblog.com/2008/01/02/the-mittster-mash-what-others-are-saying-and-writing/

Now at least Rudy is forthright about his social liberalism, that man I respect.

When I think of Romney, the word guile comes to mind. http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=guile 

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.

That's what I thought, dscott. You were being dishonest.

So, like I thought, it turns out you're a Romney-hater and you stupidly responded to a post about Edwards' socialism.  

But you were too dishonest to just call Romney a socialist (which you'd have to back up), so you tried to hide behind a phony "sarcasm."

You complain about "guile", but you seem to be a practioner yourself (and not very good at it, either.)   

That's a classic liberal move, dscott....accusing others of exactly what you practice.

It takes one to know one as

It takes one to know one as they say.  Bahahaha

As far as the Romney hater thing, I'm an equal opportunity disliker of politicians who say one thing and do another.  Romney is on my list, but he certainly isn't the only one upon whom I cast my critical eye to draw my fire.  I've posted here long enough for you to know what I'm about.

So RJ, I see you are sensitive about Romney, so does that make you a Romney-lover?  But please don't get out of joint because of my remarks, trading barbs should be in good fun I don't want to get into the spiraling load of crazy you got into with Warner.  It's not my style.

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.

It takes one to know one? As in youraccusing others of "guile?"

:^)

Nah.  It's not a sensitivity for Romney.  He's flawed, just as all the Republicans are but there's been a lot of irrelevant nonsense tossed around about him.   So I guess I do have a "sensitivity" for that.  It follows that I would have a "sensitivity" for someone foolishly responding to my post about the Socialist Edwards with a post that calls Romney a Socialist. 

BTW, like you my first choice is Thompson. 

As for Warner, (if you actually read the thread instead of assuming), he was the crazy in that particular exchange.  He immediately went off the deep end in response to my post that disagreed with him.  He jumped right in with a barrage of non-sequiturs, anger, and name calling.  Even though he kept it up in every one of his posts, I focused on making reasonable arguments and never once called him a name or insulted him.

To make a rash implied

To make a rash implied assumption that Obama was directly criticizing Gore or Kerry is ridiculous and fails to look for any nuance in the statement.

Markos is sensitive over the nuance, it's not because he's dense PsiFi.  Markos is pragmatic, he wants a Dem in the Whitehouse.  Obama referring to the standard Dem campaign strategy searching for the elusive center brings up a touchy issue for Dems.  That issue is one of being who they really are and what they perceive the public wants.  If you say Liberal or Socialist, the average person recoils in horror, hence Liberals are calling themselves Progressives these days. Unless you are really good at it, it's hard to both lie and be inspiring at the same time when the opposition so willingly and easily exposes the deception. 

The Dem Party is a Statist Party not the Socialist Party that Obama seems to want it to be.  There is a nuance difference between Democrats and Socialists, like skim milk and whole milk, you can taste the difference even though both look the same. Obama is a purist on the order of Gorbachev, such people are dangerous as they naively believe their own propaganda that everyone wants to be taken care of no matter the cost or who pays. Inspiring is Obama's Socialist code word for being who you really are, he is distainful of the salesmenship, the misrepresentation.  However, the only place a Socialist can be "inspiring" is before an audience of leftists and those who directly stand to benefit at the expense of others.  Markos knows this and Hillary knows as well. Do you see the connection?  If you want  Socialism, vote Socialist because you are not going to get it with the Democrat Party.

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.