As NewsBuster Mark Finkelstein reported, Sunday's "This Week" wasn't a good omen for Hillary Clinton or her supporters.
Fortunately, for those of us that enjoy Hillary bashing as much as a Gershwin tune (how 'bout you?), dessert was served on "The Chris Matthews Show" as panelists including Dan Rather, Norah O'Donnell, Katty Kay, and Andrew Sullivan gave conservatives an early Clinton kicking Christmas present to savor.
Is this still payback for Bill and Hillary chastising Tim Russert for his behavior during October's debate in Philadelphia? Maybe more important, have press members decided that if they continue to pile on the supposedly inevitable one, the Democrats' only chance in 2008 is if Mike Huckabee is the Republican nominee?
Before we get there, here are some marvelous examples of Hillary bashing from seemingly unlikely sources to brighten your day:
- Rather: I think [Barack Obama] will keep it going, but I still think John Edwards is the undervalued stock and could surprise.
- Matthews: It's clear that if you watch this campaign the last six or seven weeks that Hillary Clinton has gotten much more desperate than she was before that Philadelphia debate. She's been on the defensive, very ti, ti, ticklish about any attacks on her.
- O'Donnell: She's had a very difficult month no doubt. We've seen the polls not only nationally, but in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina all close where Obama is essentially running neck and neck with her in all of those early primary or caucus states. You can see that her confidence level has diminished.
- O'Donnell: In these final weeks of a campaign, sometimes the most important thing is momentum. Especially in Iowa you showed those polls. Voters make up their minds in the final weeks. The sense in the Hillary Clinton campaign, there are headlines like, "Is it Over," "Is She Stumbling," "Is There a Meltdown," it's out of control. They've got a national co-chair who's bringing up Barack Obama's past drug use. Does that suggest that there is turmoil in her campaign rather than, rather than it moving upward?
- Sullivan: She has no argument against Obama. That's what happened. That's why she's going negative. Substantially on all the policies, the only tiny thing she has that mandates universal healthcare. The rest is a wash. The Democrats have policy equivalence. So, they're looking for who is the leader. Who can change the country? Who can move us forward in a country where we're sick of the direction we're in? And Obama has all the arguments on that side. And then you have the competence issue, which Clinton has always used. And we look at her campaign, and you know what? She's not very competent. And she was running for coronation. When she couldn't be crowned, she had to fight for it, she lost it. And that's very indicative. You think she's going to hold up against Republicans when she can't beat Obama?
- O'Donnell: When polled, Americans view Hillary as running the most negative campaign thus far. So that already hurts her to some degree, especially in an election where voters for the most part favor change over experience. They want a change. They want an end to this nasty politics. They want an end to this stagnancy in Washington. So, that's why you've heard Bill Clinton out on the stump in Iowa now claiming that Hillary is the change candidate after months claiming that she is the one with experience to be President. That she is the one that'll be ready on day one.
Yet, maybe most telling about this segment was this following exchange:
Rather: But Obama helped himself a lot in this last debate when the attack came on Joe Biden about being, quote, racist.
Obama on tape: I will provide some testimony, as they say in church, that Joe is on the right side of the issues and is fighting every day for a better America.
Rather: He was high road, classy, I thought it was perhaps the biggest lick he struck in the whole campaign by handling it so...
Sullivan: Because he was in a healing mode. Obama was in a way, he took the position of being able to say I'm going to bring black and white people together and get past this.
Rather: Exactly.
Sullivan: And people really do want to get past division.
Matthews: It was a grand moment.
Sullivan: It was a beautiful moment. The other great moment was when she went after him and laughed at him over the fact her Clinton advisors were on his foreign policy team and she actually stepped away, and she said, "I'd love to see him answer that." And it was a very nasty moment, a desperate moment from her, and he came back, and he said, "I'm looking forward to having you advise me, Hillary." And the alpha-female ceded to the alpha-male in that moment.
Matthews: I love this cultural stuff. Let me ask you about this latest thing that was on the website, Obama put up, about an older woman, a white woman if it matters, saying how she was replacing her Hillary lawn sign with an Obama lawn sign because --
Sullivan: The nastiness. And you saw that in the focus groups after that debate, too. They don't like it and they can smell it. And, Obama was, I mean, I was one the people that was wrong about this. I was saying, "Obama, go for her, go for her." He didn't go for her several weeks ago, he kept his cool and she now lost it.
At the end of this segment, three of the panelists felt Obama would win Iowa, one gave it to Edwards, and nobody thought Hillary would take the state.
Surprised?
Yet, maybe less shocking was how this same panel was so enamored with Mike Huckabee, almost as if they agreed with what Drudge reported Tuesday concerning the former Arkansas governor being "easy kill in a general election":
- Sullivan: I think that Huckabee's major attraction is that he's one of us as they understand it. He is culturally and socially part of the Republican base, and none of the other candidates really are...It's less about the policy positions, I think, Chris. It's about his sensibility. This is a guy who graduated from Bible college. This is a guy who speaks the language and the idiom, the way that Bush spoke the idiom of the party that Bush and Rove have built.
- Kay: It's not just that he is like Bush and Rove, he also has this common touch I think which people like.
- Rather: The biggest thing Huckabee has going for him is his sense of humor which has been in extremely short supply through the campaign.
- Matthews: He seems to have won the authenticity fight with Romney.
- O'Donnell: Absolutely. And that is his appeal, his likeability factor.
These exchanges were especially fascinating given the context of one of the final segments of the show when Matthews asked who Democrats wanted to challenge for the White House in 2008, and the panel was split two-to-two between Huckabee and Romney.
As to who Republicans want to face, three felt Clinton, with one saying Edwards.
Deliciously, when Sullivan said, "She's the one person that can bring the Republican party back together again," Matthews asked him if she would get his vote. Sullivan responded: "Who, Hillary Clinton? Um, I can't vote but, um, no, ever, ever, ever!"
Strangely, the entire panel laughed at that, including Matthews.
What does this tell us?
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.




















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Matthews has that look like
December 16, 2007 - 16:21 ET by the strugglerMatthews has that look like a kid when he is peeing in your pool.
Always remember the libmedia
December 16, 2007 - 16:39 ET by reelman46They gave Perot a free ride for a reason...they are giving Hucky one for a reason... with all the juvenile so-called campaign (non) issues banded about...when will the big half dozen or so get time? Not as long as the libmedia put only the silly putty issues on the table. Never trust them
When will immigration-border sealing, tax reform, gov-ment bloat, saving SS, english only and serious ethics be on the table week-after-week??? Where are the more detailed NEW ideas to solve these? The libmedia wants diversionary baloney issues for as many months as possible so as to muddy the water.
We realize democrats want issues to campaign on for the next 100 years but Repubs need to get going by calling the demos out NOW every day or so until the voters get the differences. They can do that long before the general election. Just start responses with the words, "unlike democrats, I"... No more excuses.
Doug Schexnayder, Ph.D. (theconservativecrawfish)
I get upset with all the
December 16, 2007 - 17:42 ET by alamojbI get upset with all the Republicans saying they would prefer Duncan Hunter or Tom Tancredo, but they are "not electable."
The media continues to give the RINO "front runners" free press coverage while ignoring the real Conservatives.
Right now I support Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo. If they are both still in the race by the time the primaries get to Texas, I will probably go with Hunter. If they are both out by then, I will vote for Ron Paul or maybe Fred Thompson.
If RINO's Huckabee or Guiliani or McCann or Romney wins the Republican Nomination, I will not vote for President. I will just have to concentrate on the Senate and House.
Sean Hannity and the Republican National Convention can cry all they want. I am not the only one that is feeling this way.
Duncan
December 16, 2007 - 17:53 ET byall the way, as long as he's in.
"everytime you take a shower, you are a mass murderer" -- the Pervessor
My only problem with him is
December 16, 2007 - 18:13 ET by alamojbMy only problem with him is he went to that ethnic panderfest at Univision. But still, at this point, he is my number one pick. Tancredo should be head of homeland security.
By the way, that Univision
December 16, 2007 - 18:27 ET by alamojbBy the way, that Univision debate was moderated by a white blue eyed Mexican citizen, not a U.S. citizen. How can we allow non citizens to moderate Presidential debates?
http://www.vdare.com/awall/ramos.htm
Hey, Alamo, if there is any
December 16, 2007 - 23:49 ET by MBConservHey, Alamo, if there is any correlation to your screen name, then that means that we are both from the Alamo City. I completely understand what you are saying about possibily not voting, my only fear is if you sit out this election, you do more harm than good. Please do not forget that presidents nominate for the Supreme Court, and upon looking at the probability of losing Justices within the next 4 to 8 years, it seems pretty high. I would much rather take a Rudy nominee than a Hillary nominee, seeing they are Justices for life (if need be). I am not your typical type cast conservative, I am a hispanic college grad in my 20's, but I have joined the conservative movement. The wheels are in motion spinning towards a progressive movement to end conservatism all together. By abandoning your right to vote all together, you are helping to place that progressive snowball at the top of the hill.
It has been said that politics is the second oldest
profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the
first. Ronald Reagan.
MB
December 16, 2007 - 23:55 ET bysecond that
theSCOTUS is way too important to be throwing away votes
"how would i know? if i knew everything i'd run for God" ----crpl Klinger
Reel
December 16, 2007 - 17:42 ET by iveseenitallReelman46:
Right on. "Never trust them"
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Kinda like
December 16, 2007 - 17:05 ET by VT Con Manthat dem hack, loser, with no audience kinda look...
Somebody convince me otherwise,
December 16, 2007 - 16:57 ET by timothebut I think Andrew Sullivan is the biggest Republican fraud to ever grace the sets of CNN, MSNBC, etc. He makes McCain look like a staunch conservative by comparison.
Where's Bill Bennett when you need him?
Dan Rather a Cartel Puppet to the Last
December 16, 2007 - 17:42 ET by Lame CherryIf you need any more proof than the Rockefellers have given Hillary the boot and are behind the route of the Clintons it is Dan Rather turning on his "God bless you Mr. Clinton" slobbering former love child.
My honest assessment is now that Al Gore has promised to destroy America faster than Hillary could as the only reason the cartel has cut Hamrod loose.
The only thing in this that would have been surprising is if someone on the panel had stuck up for Hillary.
Matthews will be press secretary and I have no idea what on earth Rather is nuking his buddies for unless it is to win his case against CBS.
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Interesting that Rather is
December 16, 2007 - 17:49 ET by Mark FinkelsteinInteresting that Rather is now letting his inner pundit openly express itself.
I can't agree with him, though, that Obama's vouching for Biden's racial bona fides is the "biggest lick" of his campaign. I'd agree if Obama had done the same on behalf of Hillary or Edwards. But since Biden is no threat, it cost Obama absolutely nothing to make the gesture.
I don't think he will say
December 16, 2007 - 18:55 ET by red_dragon311I don't think he will say anything to Hillary or edwards, if he doesn't get the nod, it would be political suicide NOT to have the big O as your running mate. and thats what he is riding on.
"Get off the phone you big dope!!!!!!!!!!" Mark Levin
Hillary
December 16, 2007 - 17:56 ET by Jerry MackDo not be surprised if Hillary shows up on one of the early shows and declares that she is a victim of the " left wing conspiracy".
HILL & HUCK=YUCK...
December 16, 2007 - 22:55 ET by danybhoyNow just because you are paranoid & a total control freak does'nt mean that people are not out to get you. Hillary has pissed on so many people in her lifetime of power grabbing, she better be looking over her shoulder at all times.
As for Huckabee, I don't see him as being any better then Hillary. Maybe a little more likable, but who ain't compaired to Hillary? This guy is a fraud, he's being driven by the type of person that if asked to list their top 10 issues that are important to them, the top 5 would be abortion. If that's you, God bless ya, but you will have buyers remorse over other issues like taxes, spending, the border, health care, & the like. The only thing he can do is try to get judges confirmed to the Supreme Court, all Republicans say they will, so that is a non-starter for me.
Reform the tax code(we really don't need the IRS), cut spending, reform health care/health insurance through free market compitition, secure our border with a big @$$ fence, kill our enemies, & reform education through choice...maybe getting rid of the Dept.of Ed. Also, if nation security is really a priority, people who leak highly classified information/materials need to be ousted & punished. I can't figure out how nobody has been exicuted since the Rosenbergs for treason considering what has been going on lately...FOR POLITICAL REASONS. Abortion sucks, but it's barely on my radar.
Bottom line on Hillary & Huckabee, I think they are basicaly political scum, & are both willing to take a really low road to further their lust for power. They both make me sick.
"Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise" Mark Levin
danyboy...
December 16, 2007 - 22:55 ET by Clear thinkerAmen!
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
Thanks for the quotes, but I
December 16, 2007 - 18:07 ET by KStormThanks for the quotes, but I don't trust the media for one damn minute.
Right you are...
December 16, 2007 - 18:36 ET by dervishIf Andrew Sullivan, of all people, is getting warm and fuzzy with Huckabee, then they're definitely up to something.
MAIOR RISUS, ACRIOR ENSIS (The bigger the smile, the sharper the sword.)
Something else that could
December 16, 2007 - 19:05 ET by Right2thePointSomething else that could be in play here is the tight control Hillary has exercised with the press.
She wants total control, any appearance is totally staged and scripted and she probably holds edit control as well.
Journalists have been starting to complain they can't even get close enough to ask a question on the campaign trail.
Questions have to be submitted in writing and be very narrow in what they ask and her campaign is quick to cut of access for any one who has the gall to write anything other than how Hill walks on water and makes the water she walks on.
Maybe there is a little backlash or payback thrown into the mix here.
-
December 16, 2007 - 19:18 ET by dahliatraversYup, great point. Hopefully, the press is beginning to realize that such tight access is not going to improve much if she becomes President.
Exactly
December 16, 2007 - 19:44 ET by Del DolemonteThe Leftists cry about Dubyah's "Secretive" Administration, but if she gets in she'll make him look like a piker.
That's How She Won Her Senate Seat
December 16, 2007 - 19:43 ET by Del DolemonteShe managed to get away with the same tactics in NY State, but can she do it nationally?
Yes
December 16, 2007 - 19:52 ET by celator"Is this still payback for Bill and Hillary chastising Tim Russert for his behavior during October's debate in Philadelphia?"
Yes.
It appears that the
December 16, 2007 - 20:16 ET by Jack BauerIt appears that the Democrat MSM's support for the Mrs C. word was only a thousandth of a inch deep, after all.
Which, co-incidentally, is also about as thin-skinned as Hillary.
I'd like to think she's her own worst enemy, but that can't be true unless we in the vast right wing blogspiracy aren't doing our job effectively.
Just anybody but the Huckster
December 17, 2007 - 02:14 ET by PopularTechHuckabee on Taxes (Video) (1min)
Another Man From Hope. Who is Mike Huckabee? (The Wall Street Journal)
Background:
Age: 52
Education:
- Ordained to ministry Southern Baptist Convention, 1974
- B.A. Religion, Ouachita Baptist University, 1976
Military Experience:
- None
Political Experience:
- Lt. Governor of Arkansas, 1993-1996
- Governor of Arkansas, 1996-2007
Religion:
- Baptist
Fiscal Record:
Huckabee's Fiscal Record
Huckabee: The Biggest Big-Government Conservative (FOXNews)
Mike Huckabee is a Liberal (Club for Growth)
Updated Huckabee White Paper (Club for Growth)
- Immediately upon taking office he signed a sales tax hike in 1996
- He raised taxes on gasoline in 1999
- He supported an internet sales tax in 2001
- He created a $5.25 per day bed-tax on private nursing home patients in 2001
- He publicly opposed the repeal of a sales tax on groceries and medicine in 2002
- He proposed another sales take hike in 2002 to fund education improvements
- He raised taxes on cigarettes in 2003
- He opposed a congressional measure to ban internet taxes in 2003
- He allowed a 17% sales tax increase to become law in 2004
- He increased taxes in the state by more than Bill Clinton did
- He increased state spending 65.3% from 1996 to 2004
- The number of state government workers rose 20% during his tenure
- Governor Huckabee refused to pledge not to raise taxes if elected President
Tax Hike Mike
- Overall, Huckabee’s substantial tax hikes far surpassed his modest tax cuts, with the average tax burden increasing by a whopping 47% over his tenure.
Illegal Immigration:
Laura Ingraham: Huckabee Is A "Big Loser" On Immigration (Audio) (5min)
Huckabee Supported Scholarships for Illegal Aliens (Video) (5min)
Huckabee aid plan for illegal aliens draws 'venom, anger' (Arkansas News Bureau)
Huckabee promotes 'open door' policy at LULAC convention (Arkansas News Bureau)
Crime and Punishment:
Mike Huckabee's Clemency Record Is Under Scrutiny (FOXNews)
Why parole a monster like Green
Lois Davidson tells her story (Video) (1min)
Ethics:
Huck's gift-givers ended up in state posts
Huckabee Signed '98 Ad Urging Women to 'Graciously Submit' to Husbands
Global Warming:
Huckabee is the only Republican candidate to support the economy crippling Cap and Trade CO2 Legislation, Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) Regulation and Renewable Energy Standards
The Anti "Man-Made" Global Warming Resource
I'm conflicted. If
December 17, 2007 - 12:28 ET by mattmI'm conflicted.
If Matthews hates Hillary maybe she's not that bad....<gag> <cough> <ahem> Oh, I get it... He's against her because he thinks she'll lose the general election, and he likes Huckabee because he thinks he'll lose to a Dem....