Headline: 'Pope Condemns the Climate Change Prophets of Doom'

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As a global warming skeptic, when I saw the headline "The Pope Condemns the Climate Change Prophets of Doom," it goes without saying I was as pleased as a child on Christmas Day that had gotten everything he asked Santa for and then some.

My glee accelerated after reading the marvelous beginning of this Daily Mail article (paragraph break removed for space considerations):

Pope Benedict XVI has launched a surprise attack on climate change prophets of doom, warning them that any solutions to global warming must be based on firm evidence and not on dubious ideology. The leader of more than a billion Roman Catholics suggested that fears over man-made emissions melting the ice caps and causing a wave of unprecedented disasters were nothing more than scare-mongering.

See why I was so thrilled?

Unfortunately, as I reviewed the text of the Pontiff's message, defeat was stripped from the jaws of victory upon realizing the Mail's author had divined intent that might have been absent from the Pope's words:

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7. The family needs a home, a fit environment in which to develop its proper relationships. For the human family, this home is the earth, the environment that God the Creator has given us to inhabit with creativity and responsibility. We need to care for the environment: it has been entrusted to men and women to be protected and cultivated with responsible freedom, with the good of all as a constant guiding criterion. Human beings, obviously, are of supreme worth vis-à-vis creation as a whole. Respecting the environment does not mean considering material or animal nature more important than man. Rather, it means not selfishly considering nature to be at the complete disposal of our own interests, for future generations also have the right to reap its benefits and to exhibit towards nature the same responsible freedom that we claim for ourselves. Nor must we overlook the poor, who are excluded in many cases from the goods of creation destined for all. Humanity today is rightly concerned about the ecological balance of tomorrow. It is important for assessments in this regard to be carried out prudently, in dialogue with experts and people of wisdom, uninhibited by ideological pressure to draw hasty conclusions, and above all with the aim of reaching agreement on a model of sustainable development capable of ensuring the well-being of all while respecting environmental balances. If the protection of the environment involves costs, they should be justly distributed, taking due account of the different levels of development of various countries and the need for solidarity with future generations. Prudence does not mean failing to accept responsibilities and postponing decisions; it means being committed to making joint decisions after pondering responsibly the road to be taken, decisions aimed at strengthening that covenant between human beings and the environment, which should mirror the creative love of God, from whom we come and towards whom we are journeying.

8. In this regard, it is essential to "sense" that the earth is "our common home" and, in our stewardship and service to all, to choose the path of dialogue rather than the path of unilateral decisions. Further international agencies may need to be established in order to confront together the stewardship of this "home" of ours; more important, however, is the need for ever greater conviction about the need for responsible cooperation. The problems looming on the horizon are complex and time is short. In order to face this situation effectively, there is a need to act in harmony. One area where there is a particular need to intensify dialogue between nations is that of the stewardship of the earth's energy resources. The technologically advanced countries are facing two pressing needs in this regard: on the one hand, to reassess the high levels of consumption due to the present model of development, and on the other hand to invest sufficient resources in the search for alternative sources of energy and for greater energy efficiency. The emerging counties are hungry for energy, but at times this hunger is met in a way harmful to poor countries which, due to their insufficient infrastructures, including their technological infrastructures, are forced to undersell the energy resources they do possess. At times, their very political freedom is compromised by forms of protectorate or, in any case, by forms of conditioning which appear clearly humiliating.

See anything about "climate prophets of doom?" Not nearly the castigation of global warming alarmists and their assertions depicted by the Mail, was it?

Despite the tenor of the Mail's piece, there was actually something for folks on both sides of the manmade global warming debate in the Pope's address. In fact, as Robert Duncan of Spero News pointed out, the Pontiff's holiday message was certainly not just about climate change:

It's funny how a person can write something, and others read only the things that interest them...The truth is that while global warming was a major subject of the speech, the press seems to have missed that it was couched in a bigger message of Peace and the Human Family...Once again it appears the press only got half of the message -- and decided to go with the flavor of the day, global warming, and ignore the underlying message of family and responsibility.

Clearly. And, as it pertains to global warming, the press seemed to see only one side of the debate, most surprisingly not the alarmist one we've grown accustomed to. Here's how Reuters reported the Pontiff's message:

International decisions on the impact of environmental change should be made prudently, avoiding hasty conclusions, ideological pressures and unilateral stands, Pope Benedict said in a peace message on Tuesday.

To be sure, almost nine months after Australia's Cardinal George Pell called global warming alarmism "an induced dose of mild hysteria -- semi-religious if you like, but dangerously close to superstition," I would welcome similar statements from his boss.

However, regardless of how the Mail and Reuters presented the Pontiff's proclamation, I don't believe he has gone as far as Cardinal Pell. Do you?

While delegates from around the world are meeting in Bali to discuss climate change, what does this tell us about the direction of this debate that many have arrogantly stated is over?

Are media starting to tire of this subject? Have two consecutive years of exaggerated hurricane projections as well as the lack of a second Katrina soured the press on the concept that scientists can accurately predict climate's future?

Maybe more importantly, as it appears that nothing substantial will come out of Bali concerning mandatory carbon dioxide emissions cuts - after similar failures by the G-8 six months ago - is it possible the press are beginning to realize that when it comes to global warming, despite posturing to the contrary, the governments of the developed world aren't as alarmed by this issue as they sometimes appear?

Consider statements made by President Bush on May 31 just before June's G-8 summit:

Bringing progress and prosperity to struggling nations requires growing amounts of energy. It's hard to grow your economy if you don't have energy. Yet, producing that energy can create environmental challenges for the world. We need to harness the power of technology to help nations meet their growing energy needs while protecting the environment and addressing the challenge of global climate change.

In recent years, science has deepened our understanding of climate change and opened new possibilities for confronting it. The United States takes this issue seriously. The new initiative I am outlining today will contribute to the important dialogue that will take place in Germany next week. The United States will work with other nations to establish a new framework on greenhouse gas emissions for when the Kyoto Protocol expires in 2012.

So my proposal is this: By the end of next year, America and other nations will set a long-term global goal for reducing greenhouse gases. To help develop this goal, the United States will convene a series of meetings of nations that produce most greenhouse gas emissions, including nations with rapidly growing economies like India and China.

At the time, this was greeted with great enthusiasm by climate alarmists, and has since been used by such folks as demonstrating how strong the so-called consensus is concerning this issue. Yet, as previously mentioned, the G-8 punted in June, and did absolutely nothing to address climate change.

Now, six months later, the same results appear to be coming from Bali, and the world's press seem to be recognizing that politicians across the globe are willing to make speeches about this issue to appease environmentalists in their nations, but when the sun goes down, won't do anything that threatens their economies.

Although we shouldn't hold our collective breath for Brian, Charlie, or Katie to report this any time soon, maybe just knowing their brethren are starting to recognize that which has been obvious for years is quite enough.

After all, has any of us been good enough this year to deserve a Christmas present like the television news networks other than Fox admitting Nobel Laureate Al Gore is indeed no more than a snake oil salesman, and that the only thing warming the planet is the sun?

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.


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Historically the Vatican

Historically the Vatican has always straddled the fence on world political issues.  Things they did or didn't do during WWII got them into trouble for years after WWII. 

Beware of a Pope in a Poke

It is hard for a socialist as all Pope's are in spending their own money. I would like to point out the Vatican's funds of billions are used by the Rothschilds in investments and if the Vatican would pony up it's money and start selling off those rare manuscripts they have by the truckloads in the basement..........well the Catholic religion could invest that into the 3rd world.

I use the word INVEST as I have posted before as Afghanistan can be worked a deal for hydro power like Pakistan which western investment could have a 51% share and Afghanistan have 49% and the electric power sent to power hungry India, Indonesia and Chicomia.

Africa for example as I have noted is a sun haven solar generating bonanza which could provide all their needs in a non taxing world resources squeeze.........the way they pay for it is trade. Trade their raw wealth to Chicomland, Chicoms pay dollars and said dollars come into silicon land of solar California chip manufacture.

The Pope is part of the socialist order of liking to spend money not his........I suggest the Vatican and those boasting priests I hear at their churches about the government of the Vatican start dumping their hoarded bucks in investment. It is a win win and is Christian in wealth creation instead of the theft he is advocating.

 

*HIC IACET ARTORIVS REX QVONDAM REXQVE FVTVRVS

My catholic church decided

My catholic church decided to do a prayer for "ecological exploitation." I no longer go to that church. Instead I'm going to a church that supports our troops.

Also, Noel, how can this be a surprise to you? Remember the "10 commandments of the road" the Vatican came out with earlier this year? I do believe one of them said to drive an eco-friendly vehicle. "Blessed are the Prii, for they shall inherit the Earth." (yes, that's a beatitude, but you get my drift)

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Socialist?

Sorry but the last thing I consider the pope is a socialist, that is just a ridiculous statement.

I am sure the US Government could make a lot of money selling off The Constitution and Declaration of Independence too but it would not make much sense for a country let alone a religion.

Solar Power is not practical or economical, least of all in developing worlds.

If the US adopted the efficient spending habits of parochial (Catholic) schools you would reduce per pupil spending from $15,000 per year to $4,000 and drastically cut properly taxes in all states.

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Ah, what's any story w/o. . .

Ah, what's any story without LameCherry going off on some paranoid schizophrenic, anti-Catholic rant? The funny thing is that the members of the Church are far from perfect, including Popes. But Lame Cherry's asinine history "lessons" are so laughable that they parallel Stuart McKenzie - "Well, it's a well known fact, Sonny Jim, that there's a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as The Pentavirate, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows. . . The Queen, The Vatican, The Gettys, The Rothschilds, *and* Colonel Sanders before he went tits up. Oh, I hated the Colonel with is wee *beady* eyes, and that smug look on his face. "Oh, you're gonna buy my chicken! Ohhhhh!" - from So I Married an Axe Murderer.

The difference, of course, is that Mike Myers was joking.

The Pontiff

Anti-Catholicism; that noble American tradition. Sad to see it here on this otherwise outstanding website.

Perspective

I have found it to be all about perspective. For instance if you talk to Lutherans they think Catholics still pay for indulgences to resolve their sins like in the 16th century. So much of this is media driven nonsense and propaganda put out by those who have no idea what they are talking about. Take birth control, the Catholic Church is against it yet every single Catholic I know uses it and could careless what the Church has to say about it. Many people are out of touch with reality.

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A New Religion

Once worldwide religions realize that hard-core environmentalists practically worship nature and the earth as pagans would be essentially praying to "Gaia" they will see the global warming scam for what it is. Not to mention how the environmentalists want to cripple economic growth and prevent the poorer nations from developing. But nothing is more disturbing then to watch people worship the Goracle.

20/20: The Debate is Not Over (Video) (8min)

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Video) (1hr 14min)

Bullshit! - Environmental Hysteria (Video) (29min)

CBC: Documentary: Doomsday Called Off (Video) (44min)

CNN: Exposed: Climate of Fear (Video) (42min)

George Carlin - The Planet is Fine (Adults Only) (Video) (8min)

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I dunno

I'm not Catholic so I dunno what this means for those folks...but if my pastor came out and blasted global warming, I'd be pleased.

I'm catholic, and you're

I'm catholic, and you're spot on, candance!

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cd and wiwf...Couldn't

cd and wiwf...

Couldn't agree anymore than both of the sentiments.

Btw...I was glad for the global warming in my area, we finally got warm enough to get some more snow...

Thank goodness....thank you algore. 

Maybe the Pope read the

Maybe the Pope read the Bible.

"While the earth remains, Seedtime and harvest, And cold and heat, And summer and winter, And day and night Shall not cease." - Genesis 8:22

Funny how a book that is so ridiculed by the intelligensia is so right.

I think the Pope is more

I think the Pope is more disturbed by the fact that Al Gore has been stealing the Catholic Church's ideas.  If anybody knows how to "guilt" people into obeying their wishes it is the Catholic Church.  As for false prophet?  Hmmm...what do you call a person that calls himself the Pope?

Send Hate-Mail to Lame Cherry ;-) 

what do you call a person that calls himself the Pope?

The Vicar of Christ.

Stereo types

I really don't get where these stereo types comes from, actually I do know the media and other religions. I don't feel guilty about anything. The more Catholics you know, the more you know how little they "obey" the Catholic Church. Actually the only thing consistent I can think of that Catholics feel guilty about is taking care of their mothers. Now is that really such a bad thing?

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Excuse me ...

I suppose this isn't where the Catholic Appreciation meeting is being held tonight, eh? Must be down the corridor, sorry for interrupting ...

LOL!

Rock

Jesus to Peter; "You are rock, upon you I will build my church" The Roman Catholic church is the direct descendent of that command. The Pope, annointed by the Holy Spirit, carries on that solemn and holy duty. Thank God.

I'm a catholic embarassed

I'm a catholic embarassed by catholics. I thought Benedict XVI would be awesome, and for the most part yes. But as for his anti-war, pro-Gaia stuff, I've been left disappointed that someone so inspired by God has been agenda science'd by the left.

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Show me the money

wiwf,

You say that the Pope is anti-war. Please produce a quote. JPII was widely unquoted to show his rebuke of the US when we went into Iraq. Benedict, if anything, has been much more critical of Islam than JPII. However, neither of them said anything specifically against the US going into either Iraq or Afghanistan. And for the Vatican officials who did, they were all reassigned to non-speaking positions. The only statements you hear about Iraq now is how the world needs to help it make a "responsible transition" and for religious rights among its minorities.

As for pro-Gaia, there is nothing in the above statement that suggests wacko environmentalism. It is conservationist.

btw, Catholic is capitalized by Catholics. I figured a Catholic would like to know that.

yeah yeah, capitalizations,

yeah yeah, capitalizations, etc. etc. You got me there. I was just on a roll, (I know, I capitalized other words...). Minor slip-up

http://www.cjd.org/p...

"[I]t was right to resist the war and its threats
of destruction...It should never be the responsibility of just one nation
to make decisions for the world."

Plenty of quotes for you to read up on.

Just because you're anti-war doesn't mean you're anti-Islam. Case in point the Pope.

EDIT: Hmmmm, upon further reading, it looks like I overreacted. The Pope does have some common sense about the environment. He isn't pandering to the global warming crowd. But if I see another "ecological exploitation" coming from the Church or the like, there will be Hell to pay.

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Try a better source

I find it strange how all of this supposedly anti-War rhetoric is surrounded by ellipses and does not reference the US, Iraq or Afghanistan. I wonder what is omitted, especially since he does not cite any references and his whole website is based on Dorothy Day (a noted Catholic socialist, anti-war protester and Hollywood saint)?

One thing that the Vatican, JPII and Benedict have been very clear on is that the evaluation of whether a nation goes to war lies with the government (not themselves). Another thing they have been very clear on is that when a Vatican representative publicly rebuked the US or Bush over the Iraq war, they were removed from their positions and quietly retired.

About the "ecological exploitation" stuff: Benedict's statement is very even-keeled. So much so that I doubt anybody (regardless of your views on climate change, global warming, etc.) would disagree with it. This really makes what he said quite meaningless. It doesn't advance the argument or debate.

Correction

Jesus said, "You are Peter. Upon this rock will I build my Church." - Mt. 16:18

Jesus is the Rock, not Peter.  In the context of this passage the discussion was in regard to Jesus being the Christ: "And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." - Mt. 16:16  The focus was on the nature of Jesus, not of Peter.

Jesus gave names to other disciples too.  Whenever he did so, the name he gave reflected something about His character, not that of the disciple.  He called Levi, Matthew, which means 'gift of God'.  Now, who was the gift of God, Matthew, or Jesus?  Obviously it was Jesus.  So, who was the "petros" or the rock? Obviously, it was Jesus.

Thanks for the correction

Thanks for the correction

Translation

I don't want to turn this into a Bible-translation thread, but I couldn't let that pass without some comment. Let's just say that we differ on the translation.

However, it simply makes no sense to argue that Jesus gave names to others but that the names all refer to Jesus. You give a name to someone to reflect their character, not your own. I happen to have white hair. Suppose your hair was brown. Would it make sense for me to give you the nickname "Whitey" because my hair was white? That makes no sense whatsoever.

 

Peter is the Rock

Read James Akin for a good explanation of why Peter (and not Christ) is the Rock that Jesus speaks of.

Besides what Akin says, this is only one of dozens of verses that supports Peter's primacy and authority. A more important (and completely unambiguous) verse is, "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven" (Matt 16:19).

When taken in context, only Peter is the Rock and only Peter has been given the keys (although the other Aposltles are given authority to "loose" and "bind" in John 20).

Jesus Christ Is the Rock

Holy cow, man ... read the verse for heaven's sake.

JESUS CHRIST is the rock that he is building his church upon ... not Peter, not the Catholic Church, not the Protestant Church, not ANY denomination or man.

Matthew 16:18

And I [Jesus Christ] say also unto thee, "That thou art Peter [petros - a stone, or pebble], and [kai - but] upon THIS rock [petra - mass of rock ... i.e. ME, Jesus Christ] I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

And remember these verses ...

1 Corinthians 10:4

And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

1 Peter 2:6

Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, "Behold, I lay in Zion a chief corner stone [Jesus Christ], elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded."

"Nothing succeeds like excess!"

Sounds like the church wants to meddle in state affairs much like they did during the Church of England business (Jefferson was right). In other words, they want a bigger piece of the pie. All they have to do is lick the slop off Al Gore's double pig-chin.

How is the Catholic Church the true Church?

It's threads like this that reenforce my strong sentiment that the Catholic Church must be the true Church, since it is so maligned and misunderstood.

Then I guess in a secular

Then I guess in a secular sense, the same could be said for "Communism". The one "true" political system because it is so maligned and misunderstood.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Or, Matthew, the true

Or, Matthew, the true Church must be the Mormon Church. It is as badly maligned and as misunderstood, even in these pages as is the Catholic Church.

It is my opinion, which is as valid as any contrary opinion, that there is no true church or religion. They are all run by men who, each and every one of them, are prone to error. It doesn't matter which church or religion, Catholic, Lutheran, Episcopalian, Anglican, Baptist, Mormon, Jehovah's Witness, Buddhist, Muslim, Taoist, and so on, all of them have elements of Truth, and all have elements of error.

"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan

Pope is right, media crazy

The Pope has spoken the truth.

I don't expect for one minute to hear any kind of reasonable comment from the media. The media is full of anger and hatred for the Pope, and won't give him credit for anything.

Ironic, that many Christians

Ironic, that many Christians who feel persecuted in a secularized society, have no problem with maligning the Catholic Church. To differentiate between "Christians" and Catholics - implies that Catholics aren't true Christians. This is an ugly attitude that lurks around the edges of some of these comments. I think it's best to lay off the religious comparisons, folks. They have a tendency to lead to nasty arguments among friends.

¡Viva el Papa!

The Pope, as usual, is spot-on.  A breath of rational fresh-air against extremism and hyperbole on both sides ("Global warming is spelling doom for the Earth Mother -- we must impose eco-martial-law." and "There is no such thing as climate change, carbon dioxide or a namby-pamby greenhouse effect.") 

¡Viva el Papa!

"Global" Warming Refuters ...

... don't deny "climate change", carbon emissions, or the localized "greenhouse effect" of elevated humidity.

They DO deny "global" warming, the outright insanity of worrying about the very thing that all plant-life THRIVES on (CO2), and the unqualified stupidity of assuming an omnipotent Creator hasn't already accounted for and made the adjustments for anything Man thinks he can do to the planet.

And they DO recognize a lie, false doctrine, and white elephant when it hides behind two stupid little words.

 

White Elephant

white elephant : something a deceived and vain minority think is immensely valuable, yet has no practical use and wastes every dime invested in its nonsensical upkeep

You need to read up on

You need to read up on basic graduate/undergraduate texts on the greenhouse effect and rising carbon dioxide, or take a basic undergraduate class in atmospheric science.  I can't adequately relay that here on a blog, only that this stuff is based upon well-established physical theory.  I'll grant that there are uncertainties in numerical climate models in that not all processes are adequatly accounted for (cloud feedbacks being one of them -- it is not clear whether they are a net positive or negative feedback).  Plants may thrive on this CO2, but they cannot offset the effective input of millions of years of carbon-based biofuel (i.e., the stored energy in oil, coal, etc., had accumulated over millions of years and we are putting it all back into the atmosphere over the course of 100 years).  And if the omipotent Creator will just take care of everyting, then I guess we don't have to worry about following His Commandments either.  That He is the Creator of the World means that we, with great humility, ought to treat it with some respect.  The Pope is right (as usual) -- he does not claim to know more about climate science than climate modelers, but he does put things into perspective (unlike the recent recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize and his ilk).  We here ought to take to heart what he says.

Nonsense. The vast bulk of

Nonsense. The vast bulk of carbon dioxide produced annually is not "manmade."

As to your "physical theory" that is disputed. For instance, scientist hypothosize that rather than carbon dioxide causing a "rise" in the average global temperature, it is the other way around.

A rise in global temperature increases the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmophere.

And besides, the major "greenhouse" gas in the atmpshere, is, of course, water vapor.

And I'm glad to see that you are so cavilier with the life cycle of plants, for which, last time I checked was one of the 3 essentials for human beings to live: food, air and water.

The fact is: in the past CO2 has been 10 times greater than in today's atmosphere. More CO2 means bigger and healthier crops yields, and lusher wild vegetation.

Check out my exclusive edit of BBC News America's interview with Mrs Clinton: It's news to me!

You need to actually know

You need to actually know something about physical science because your opening statement makes it clear you don't.  I suggest you start by finding out what the Beer-Lambert Law is and why it relates to the debate.

You also need to appraise yourself of the paleoclimate history of the last 2.5 million and last 65 million years.  You will see that (1)  these periods are drop in the bucket compared to the age of the Earth, thought to be billions of years old  (2)  Today's temperatures and prevailing climate do not approach either the warm or cold extremes nature produced without human assistance during this intervals and (3) the variations in climate we have measured over the last century are in scope and magnitude no greater than those witnessessed in either of those other intervals.

Beer-Lambert Law describes

Beer-Lambert Law describes the attenuation of radiation through a medium -- what does that have to do with the aborption of infrared radiation by CO2 in two relatively wide spectral bands (~600-700 and 2300-2400 cm-1)?  Climate models take into account all the relevant physics -- not perfectly, but the best we have, and certainly far better than the hand waving made by those who don't study this stuff for a living.  But don't take my word for it -- after all, I write anonymously -- take a look at the peer-reviewed, published literature.

From the "2006 State of the Climate", published in 2007 by 159 scientists in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society:

"Continued global warmth marked 2006. The 10 warmest years on record have all occurred since 1995, with 2006 ranking fifth or sixth warmest in the 1880–2006 record, depending on the dataset analyzed. All datasets agree that global surface temperatures continue to warm, with the rate of global temperature rise increasing from around 0.06°C per decade over the past century to nearly 0.18°C per decade for the last 30 years."

I peruse this site because I happen to be quite conservative.  However, I do know that denying the observed warming trend of the past several decades makes conservatives appear out-of-touch, and as the National Review has speculated, they stand to lose big on this issue in 2008.

lotr, climate science should not become a

political football. I would be ecstatic to know that we could use as much fossil fuel as we wanted without any climate consequences.

I would like to know your thoughts about the carbon isotope footprint, which suggests that a decreasing ratio of C13 to C12 indicates a human carbon footprint as C12 from fossil fuels enters the atmosphere. Also, have you visited the realclimate. org website? Do you have any opinions on it? Also, there has been an argument that there is "saturation" of absorption of energy by atmospheric water and CO2. The counterargument claims that only specific absorption lines are saturated, and there is increased absorption of energy as CO2 penetrates the upper atmosphere. What skepticism do you have regarding AGW?

I totally agree -- climate

I totally agree -- climate science should not be used to advance a politcal agenda.  I was exasperated when Al Gore received the Nobel Prize, when there are others far more worthy (e.g., Pope John Paul II, when he was alive), and he is hypocritical and not even a scientist.

I don't have enough knowledge about how the ratio of carbon isotopes C12 to C13 might indicate human origin to comment, and I am not a climate modeler or paleoclimatologist.  But I do know some of the basics.  First off, coupled global climate models are currently the very best anyone has for understanding the response of the atmosphere-ocean system to perturbations such as increased greenhouse gases like CO2.  They account for well-known physical processes, far better than can be argued by anyone here, myself included.  And they all predict a warming from the observed increase in greenhouse gases.  It's no mystery that combustion yields CO2, that there is an unprecedented level of combustion (in terms of human history, anyway), that the dramatic increase in CO2 over the past 50 years is well observed, that CO2 is well-mixed greenhouse gas with a relatively long (on the order of centuries) residence time, and that there has been a measured warming trend in global surface temperatures over the past 100 or so years, consistent with that predicted by the models.  But again, this line of reasoning only illuminates here what the physics in models already calculate quantitative precision.

My skepticism in AGW lies in the fact that the aforementioned models are not the real atmosphere-ocean system -- they are deficient in several areas concerning processes that might act as positive or negative feedback mechanisms.  The role of water is a big one.  Increased surface temperatures will lead to increased evaporation and water vapor is the primary greenhouse gas.  This could, hypothetically, lead to a runaway greenhouse (like on Venus), but for the fact that water vapor is condensed (into cloud droplets) and precipitated back out of the atmosphere on short timescales.  Clouds can act as a positive or negative feeback mechanism -- liquid water clouds have high albedo and thus tend to have a net cooling effect, whereas ice clouds (like cirrus) may have a net warming effect (cirrus may act like greenhouse gases through absorption of outgoing infrared radiation).

Where does Reaganesque conservatism come into play?  It has to do with what our response to this conundrum should be.  Liberals would have that we take draconian measures (although the elite, like Gore, would continue their jet-setting lifestyles).  The conservative mentallity is to take a reasoned response (which may even include no response), that takes into account the plight of humanity, not the "Earth Mother."  The Pope is spot on, as usual.

Holy Shinto ... We NEED Global Warming

Longer growing seasons, lower winter utility bills, tens of thousands of lives saved every year from winter-related deaths, an increase in the amount of arable land, increased rainfall (because of increased evaporation from the world's oceans), etc. etc. etc.

Where do the benefits end?

Only problem is ... there is no "global" warming - only regional, seasonal, and cyclical temperature fluctuations.

Actually, I'm waiting for

Actually, I'm waiting for Keith to get in here and do a rant about how evil organized religion is and how it's destroying the message of the Bible, haha.

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