
A conservative organization known as Freedom's Watch has had its advertisements rejected by NBC.
What was the heinous content of these ads?
A show of support and thanks to America's troops serving around the world during the holidays.
I kid you not.
As reported moments ago by the Associated Press (emphasis added):
NBC has rejected a TV ad by Freedom's Watch, a conservative group that supports administration policy in Iraq, that asks viewers to remember and thank U.S. troops during the holiday season.
NBC said it declined to air the ad because it refers to the group's Web site, which the network said was too political, not because of the ad's message.
[...]
Alan Wurtzel, NBC's head of standards and practices, said the network decided not to run the Freedom's Watch ad because the group insisted that the spot contain the URL address of its Web site.
The organization's CEO, Bradley A. Blakeman, responded to the rejection with a letter to NBC:
John Kelly
Senior Vice-President of NBC News Network Sales
30 Rockefeller Plaza
12th Floor
New York, NY 10112Dear Mr. Kelly,
We understand that NBC, MSNBC and CNBC (the "Networks") are refusing to sell advertising time to Freedom's Watch ("FW") to air a series of advertisements that thank our troops for their service and encourage the American public to show their appreciation for the sacrifices they have made on behalf of our country. It is our understanding that the purported basis for the denial is the Networks' demand that FW remove reference on the advertisement to the FW website.
Given your past rejection of FW advertisements in August 2007 and your history of airing ads addressing controversial issues, as addressed in detail in my correspondence to you of August 28, 2007 (to which we have received no response), we are left to believe that your denial to FW is a subjective decision because the network officials disagree with FW. It is hard to comprehend how your demand to remove the FW website is anything but direct censorship of the positions taken by FW, particularly our support for the War on Terror. It is highly troubling that the Networks favor censorship over airing a magnanimous effort to thank the many men and women of our Armed Services who protect our freedoms every day.
FW has requested to purchase time on your networks to air advertisements thanking our American troops for their service and for spending time away from their family and friends this Holiday season. The FW website, www.freedomswatch.org, provides information to the American public about numerous ways to support our troops. For example, the FW website provides readers with links to Books for Soldiers, Adopt a Platoon and other worthy causes dedicated to assisting our troops during this Holiday season.
It is deeply troubling that the Networks appear to be rejecting an effort to air messages that thank our troops for their sacrifice and, in so doing, remind Americans of the sacrifices made by them this Holiday season. An effort to thank our troops should not be silenced by national broadcast and cable networks. Your denial begs the question of whether the Networks disagree with FW and, due to the level of your disagreement, you would prefer to censor FW's effort to thank our troops and encourage an outpouring of support from the American people for them. A detailed explanation of your censorship appears to be very necessary.
If you refuse to air FW's advertisement, we thus request an explanation of your basis in writing or station policy within two (2) days from the date above as time is of the essence.
Thank you for your prompt attention to this request. Please respond to me at the above address.
Very Truly Yours,
Bradley A. Blakeman
President and CEO
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.















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I bet they come around this
December 7, 2007 - 16:10 ET by Dan The Man 2I bet they come around this time.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Hasn't NBC, MSNBC and/or
December 7, 2007 - 16:22 ET by Sick-n-TiredHasn't NBC, MSNBC and/or CNBC run adds for MoveOn.org before???
Do not want to air the URL/website; thats a lame excuse.
Whats that sucking sound?
December 7, 2007 - 18:51 ET by aeroveloOh yeah...that sucking sound is all their current advertisers pulling their ads over the holiday season in response.
Ask yourself: Do I want a good paying job, or do I want a government hand out. Its that simple!
I will never, ever watch
December 7, 2007 - 19:32 ET by Andrew H.I will never, ever watch NBC, CNBC or MSNBC. "Policy" is getting in their way, way too much. Stupidity--who runs things over there? Idiots.
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
Evidence
December 7, 2007 - 19:51 ET by KC MulvilleThese people pay Keith Olbermann. Lots of money. To be Keith Olbermann. It's like they're proud of it.
That's why I switched from
December 7, 2007 - 22:05 ET by Sonny LykosThat's why I switched from CNBC to the Fox Business Channel.
NO SURPRISE
December 7, 2007 - 16:19 ET by American TaxpayerThis should not be a surprise to anyone at all, the big three do not support our troops this has already been established time and again by thier actions. How ironic that thier freedom of speech or the lack there of is provided by the U.S military. When our soldiers come home I hope they remember the ass*oles that never supported them......
rw taxpayers, why are you whining?
December 8, 2007 - 03:53 ET by professor truthYou should be happy to pay your taxes for endless wars. Look at all that security you now have. Those hundreds of billions in homeland security now let you walk anywhere and anytime you want and it's all because Homeland security has protected you from those headchoppers in Iraq. Just imagine the tens of thousands of iraqi killers that would be traveling by boat, airplane and space shuttle to the US just to get the chance to comit terrorism. Don't worry about any dysfunctional, white middle class students getting a gun and going wild. It can't happen now that we've spent billions on the homeland. Rwers, you should want to spend at least half of your income for security to protect yourselves from those terrorists that are coming to get you.
For the record
December 8, 2007 - 04:50 ET by KC MulvilleWell, for the record, we weren't attacked by an Iraqi. Apparently that part of the defense system is working just fine.
Instead, I find it curious that your proposed solution to the mall shooter is ... what? ... more taxes? Diverting taxes from foreign wars to ... what, exactly? Your solution to prevent a whacko kid shooting fellow citizens is ... financial?
You're exploiting a non-political tragedy to toss a political insult. You've rejected logic and compassion, and for what purpose? What did you hope to gain by that post? Surely you don't imagine that you can irritate your audience into a political conversion. I can only imagine that your purpose behind that post is simply to insult "the other side." OK, you've scored your "point." Feel any better?
The sad part is that we're fellow Americans. When it comes to these things, we're supposed to be on the same side.
Dead fish
December 8, 2007 - 11:33 ET by saw the lightOK, now that you have thrown out a ton of red herrings, how about getting to the point of the post?
If you want to rant and rant off-subject, take it to an open thread, where we can ignore you properly.
Looks like the support
December 7, 2007 - 16:22 ET by BuffNBoneLooks like they support neither the war nor the troops. Color me livid!
Let their sponsors know how you feel.
"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"
This is just despicable.
December 7, 2007 - 16:30 ET by motherbeltThis is just despicable. Between this, and Matt Lauer's disgraceful behavior toward Maureen Faulkner on the "Today" show, I think I'm just going to not watch NBC at all any more. If there's a contact email on their website, I think I'll send a nasty-gram too.
I know one person won't make a difference, but I'll feel better.
mb, I've already stopped watching NBC...think Alice's Restaurant
December 7, 2007 - 16:38 ET by RJ"And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in
singing a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. They may think it's an
organization. And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day,I said
fifty people a day walking in singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and
walking out. And friends they may think it's a movement." :^)
"And that's just what it
December 8, 2007 - 10:20 ET by Pete Wilson"And that's just what it is..." - Arlo
Mother
December 7, 2007 - 16:38 ET by ricklailWhat is needed is some veterans groups that will lauch a major writing campaign. I can't boycott them because I don't watch any of their shows-not even Sunday Night Football.
"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't.” General George S. Patton.
my letter
December 8, 2007 - 01:45 ET by gordonGentlemen,
I wanted to let you know that I intend to write your parent company, General Electric, a letter expressing my utter contempt and disgust for your actions today. I will inform them in no uncertain terms that they cannot expect to distance themselves from your advertising antics. Your decision to not accept the Freedom's Watch advertisement and your completely indefensible excuse for doing so will not go unnoticed by General Electric. In light of the many defense contracts that they hold, your one-sided and completely transparent actions will, I hope, result in financial repercussions for them and perhaps a change in your decision making process in the very near future. Your decision is just another in the endless list of examples of your political stance influencing your actions on the public airwaves. As a taxpayer, I will not sit by while you use a public trust to influence the democratic process of this country.
JUST AN IDEA
December 7, 2007 - 16:35 ET by American TaxpayerJust an idea: Take that putrid picture of Helen Thomas make it into Christmas cards and send them to the advertisers courtesy of N.B.C.....
keep up your pro war jingoism, rwers,
December 8, 2007 - 03:43 ET by professor truthwhile the war profiteers and homeland security hucksters rob you blind. "support the troops" is empty, pro war jingoism masquerading as patriotism.
And the marxist agitprop
December 8, 2007 - 12:50 ET by pbanks7And the marxist agitprop shines through.
Ignorance is bliss. It's easier to repeat a mindless slogan than to do some actual research.
I'm disappopinted. He left
December 8, 2007 - 13:03 ET by Jack BauerI'm disappopinted. He left out "corporate thievery, pigs, lackeys, caspitalist scum, and usurers"
Noel
December 7, 2007 - 16:36 ET by MrShyYou're kidding, right?
Oh wait, you added "I kid you not."
Good that Bradley wrote to them. This is outrageous, and further solidifies what we've already known for so long, that NBC and it's ilk operate along a very hardline ideology, and stoop so low to worry that something unthreateningly patriotic like a "support our troops" ad could "threaten" and offend segments of their viewers.
Ugh.
"Are ZZ TOP part of the Taliban?? Think on it, son."
-- Professor TP&C (Talking Points & Cheetos)
Mr Shy, how much are you donating to Halliburton,
December 8, 2007 - 03:46 ET by professor truthBlackwater, and all those homeland security businesses who have robbed the public blind and given nobody anything other than fear?
Keep on believing in your jingoistic tripe, it's all for the benefit of war profiteers.
Just as a linguistic aside,
December 8, 2007 - 03:50 ET by tracheostomyJust as a linguistic aside, it's only Jingoism to those who don't believe in it. >;)
Hehe, get it?
Meh, guess not.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
I guess to a rwer, "support the troops" is
December 8, 2007 - 04:03 ET by professor truthanother example of their 'faith based' jingoism.... Rwers believe it, so it MUST BE TRUE!
LOL! Supporting an
December 8, 2007 - 04:17 ET by tracheostomyLOL! Supporting an aggressively protective foreign policy must be wrong, so therefore it must be jingoism.
To protect your life and property, you either own a personal firearm, call the police, or pray. Either way, you are supporting use of force personally or by proxy to keep an aggressor in check.
This is merely a world-scale example of that, and you throw the jingoism label around as if it really meant something.
Told you he wouldn't get it. >;p
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Trillions of military dollars thrown at a myth.
December 8, 2007 - 04:25 ET by professor truthThe US military budget dwarfs all other nations, yet the US is more terrified of terrorists than all other nations. The money thrown at security has done little other than create perpetual fear about a mythical beast that could be dealt with much more cheaply. REAL problems like healthcare and education and environment get shafted as money gets sunk into creating anti terror maginot lines. The Omaha shooting should tell anyone how impotent the homeland securtiy fraud is.
}}---> Begging again PT?
December 8, 2007 - 04:40 ET by Cool ArrowMore like complaining that those Americans who've been kicked in the teeth by the NEA aren't buying that crap about "If I could just get some more money your children would be literate"
You claim Socialism as a badge of evolvement while nothing about your work effort is measured in terms of accountability.
As long as you don't get caught boinking a student, you ain't gettin' kicked off the Nanny train.
Tell me Professor. How many failed commercial aircraft landings are you willing to accept? Kids are crash landing daily just because the NEA cares more about a political agenda than the job at hand.
Too funny, CA. I guess public education and
December 8, 2007 - 04:46 ET by professor truththe military are both failures. Are we safer now that we've spent trillions of dollars on the military???? Are those FAUX NEWS color alerts dropping down to no danger??? After trillions of dollars spent, we are more afraid than ever. What gives??? I thought we were fighting terror??? I guess all those hundreds of billions spent on homeland security didn't stop 2 psychos at VT and a mall in Omaha. Homeland security is a scam. And if you want to hold teachers accountable, fine. How about failed presidents???
You aren't speaking Russian
December 8, 2007 - 04:50 ET by NL207You aren't speaking Russian and you aren't required to observe Karl marx's birthday as a holiday.
Your father didn't have to speak German or revere an Austrian paper hanger.
I'd guess the military has done some considerable good.
I imagine..
December 8, 2007 - 04:59 ET by Sua Sponte 75that your security expertise is about that of your terrorism expertise, tactical operations expertise (Xbox does not count either). Equating public educuation and the military, not sure what that has to do with anything other than a complete grasping of straws. I'm sure it's nothing that can't be fixed with some Prozac and a polo mallet.
"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"
PT Duncecap
December 8, 2007 - 05:01 ET by Cool ArrowYou think Presidents don't submit themselves to "review" every 4 years? Please tell me you've heard of the electoral process.
Yes, we're safer from foreign terrorists. You'd have to discount a lot if you think Clinton's record against terrorism is nearly as good as Bush's. But I have faith you will.
CA, Bush DE-EMPHASIZED INTERNATIONAL
December 8, 2007 - 05:07 ET by professor truthTERRORISM until we got hit on Sept 11th. Bush was not doing squat about stopping terror even after receiving clear info that the threat was real. Now, we were already struck with acts of terror during Clinton's rule, so, don't you think it's just a little disingenuous to try to pin 9-11 on Clinton, especially since Richard Clarke, Natianl security advisor for Bush, had urged Bush to take the terror threat more seriously BEFORE 9-11 and Bush ignored him?? A little disingenuous!
}}---> Cut the crap teacher
December 8, 2007 - 05:18 ET by Cool ArrowYour Democrat buddies were still squealing about the legitimacy of the 2000 election up until 9/11 when they momentarily sensed a sense of urgency. (I think some of them even dropped their nail files)
On the other hand, Republican legislators were quite willing to support BJ Clinton every time he attempted to show a pair. (Other than when he was raping or groping a woman without her consent).
Now, we were already struck
December 8, 2007 - 21:36 ET by red_dragon311Now, we were already struck with acts of terror during Clinton's rule, so, don't you think it's just a little disingenuous to try to pin 9-11 on Clinton"
No, not at all, Clinton brushed off all acts of terror. He did nothing, wait he did blow up an asprine factory, and that was part of a plan to...... defeat the enemy by making sure they could never get rid of headaches??????
and as to Bush being warned about any attacks in the future, it has been proven that Clinton left a post-it note on the oval office desk.
I have seen this note and in telling you this my life is in danger, but this needs to be said, here is the content of the post-it, and most likly my last post, as I am going into hiding
W,
Congrats on the win, I told Al that Florida thing wouldn't work, well anyway, there's this guy named Osama Bi Laden, he's wants us dead, just fyi.
Bill
P.S. Bang some interns for me
PMSL
December 8, 2007 - 23:28 ET by candanceThat was friggin hilarious! I love, love, loved it!!
I have to get up early and fill young, impressionable minds with leftwing propaganda. Wish me luck! -Professor TP&C
CA, do you...
December 8, 2007 - 05:00 ET by Sua Sponte 75not realize the millions of dollars needed to teach our young what 2+2 is? Do you not realized the millions we need to pay those not willing to work? Do you not realize the millions spent on defense could have been more wisely used to fund a study on the warbled spider monkey bat? Do you not realize the millions better spent to provide health care, not just to those who can't afford it, but also for those who forego getting it and waiting for the government to pay for it? Money better spent for peanut storage? I mean what has military endevours really given us, sure top notch communications reasearch, development of medical standards and equipment now used throughout the world (i.e. Navy sonar technology brought about the ability for early detection of breast cancer), reasearch technologies and development. Oh yes the money can be better spent, cause you know, if there's a problem, best way to fix it is throw money at it.
sarcasm off
"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"
}}---> Forgive me Sua Sponte
December 8, 2007 - 05:04 ET by Cool ArrowI'm so ashamed. Let's double our taxes to help out the professor. . .sniff
Sua, bushbot 30% er, if you spend TRILLIONS,
December 8, 2007 - 05:12 ET by professor truthyou will receive BILLIONS of dollars in technical innovations. Pretty inefficient way to acquire technology. I guess for kids waiting for kidney or lung transplants who can't pay for them since our healthcare system is sh**t unless you are lucky, a few hundred billion dollars spent growing new terrorists for thefuture could be spent on helping kids have a life. But, rwers like to kill people, not save them, especially when they can make lot's of cash in the process.
Bawhahahah..
December 8, 2007 - 08:42 ET by Sua Sponte 75Nutty proffesor...You are defnitely unhinged. Yes, everything, EVERYTHING is so bad in the U.S. We have the worst of EVERYTHING. How about the hundreds of millions spent on shoddy teachers producing shoddy students? Right wingers like to kill? There really is something wrong with you, it goes beyond the atypcial lunacy. If things are that bad, to you at least, why in the world would you hang around?
Whomever coined it first was correct, we need a better class of troll. One two many clowns slipped into the program.
"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"
You mean like those morally
December 8, 2007 - 04:15 ET by NL207You mean like those morally reprehensible scaremongers who have been pedaling their climate disaster fairy tale so they can sell phony carbon offsets to worried citizens?
Tripe? You are the expert on that topic, Truth. Now I see you are reduced to simple insults since you lack anything with any real intellectual content to say.
there's a symmetry between the climate alarmists
December 8, 2007 - 04:20 ET by professor truthand the terrorist alarmists. Each have their disaster scenarios. But, rwers believe one and deny the other, while the reverse is true for leftwingers. So, either one believes in the precaustionary principle , in which case you do everything needed to protect against both, or you don't accept the precautionary principle, where you take no action for both. Rwers love throwing money at stopping "terror", which will never happen unless the Omaha shootings are not considered terror.
For rwers, no amount of money is too little for throwing at the war on terror. They should be consistent regarding precautionary principles.
There is one important
December 8, 2007 - 04:37 ET by NL207There is one important difference: History has shown the Islamic Jihadists are a threat to all of Western Civilition. History has conclusively shown that global climate change is both unavoidable and the warming sort is actually beneficial.
The left in general, and YOU in particular, are unable to correctly distinguish that which is a genuine threat from that which is a convenient excuse.
The jihadist threat has been dramatically hyped,
December 8, 2007 - 04:55 ET by professor truthand counter measures have been a failure as seen by the fear of rwers on this issue after over four years of war and hundreds of billions spent. Your statement regarding the unavoidablity of climate change is analogous to saying one's going to die so nothing one does affects his life span. Humans have dumped 100ppm of CO2 into the air in the industrial age and as a result, there is a CO2 forcing DIRECTLY attributed to this. My point on all this is the terror alarmists manipulate and make claims which have a similliarity to climate alarmists. Everyone has their facts and uncertainties on these issues. If one wants to use the precautionary principle, they should be consistent.
recautionary principal
December 8, 2007 - 10:32 ET by Pete Wilson"I am not sure that word means what he thinks it means." the guy in Princess Bride.
He eventually breaks down
December 9, 2007 - 09:05 ET by bretzysdudeHe eventually breaks down like that.
Our military defends a
December 7, 2007 - 16:51 ET by mattmOur military defends a whole bunch of people who don't deserve it.
matt, you are absolutely right:
December 7, 2007 - 23:08 ET by professor truthall those multinational corporations and war profiteers are just despicable.
This is the same NBC
December 7, 2007 - 16:54 ET by deerjerkydaveIsn't this the same NBC that devoted an entire week to the political cause of global warming? Not to mention free time for politician Algore in his Live Earth concert? NBC also runs ads promoting global warming, like the one where the freight train is about to run over a little girl (yes, if you don't accept global warming as a threat you are equivalent to someone who wants to run down little kids in a train). The standards at NBC are only consistent when one considers liberal vs. conservative positions, they always come down on the side of liberals.
BTW, I'll be voting for Mitt Romney in the primary.
NBC
December 7, 2007 - 17:02 ET by ammo johnNBC:
Needs Body Counts
Nasty Bunch of Cowards!!!
December 7, 2007 - 17:22 ET by The Wicked ConservativeThis grieves me beyond belief! Talk about overt discrimination. This isn't hate speech or part of a radical agenda. We're talking about a conservative group running ads SUPPORTING THE TROOPS to combat radical groups like Moveon.org's efforts to smear the troops. Oh boy thank you NBC for saving us from such vitriol! I am thoroughly disgusted. What a bunch of two-faced filth n foul n filth n foulin pieces of filth n foul.
"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." Winston Churchill
"...a conservative group
December 7, 2007 - 17:26 ET by Chris Norman"...a conservative group that supports administration policy in Iraq..."
If this was a liberal group, do you think it would have been identified as such so early in the story, if at all?
A liberal group that
December 7, 2007 - 17:38 ET by motherbeltA liberal group that supports administration policy.....
HAHAHAHAHAHA
You WERE joking, right???
mb, I used to be quite the
December 7, 2007 - 17:45 ET by Chris Normanmb, I used to be quite the drinker in college and had - er - adventures, I was happy to forget. However, I have never been so drunk that I would suggest that a liberal group may support this administration.
I meant "liberal group" without the other stuff about supporting the administration. :)
Yeah, I knew that, but I
December 7, 2007 - 23:00 ET by motherbeltYeah, I knew that, but I couldn't resist it... ;-)
Well I guess there's one
December 7, 2007 - 18:02 ET by Jack BauerWell I guess there's one good thing about this.
NBC is finally admitting that as well as not supporting the mission, it's official...
Truth at last! Hey it's their network, they can do anything they damn well please.
I hope everyone remembers this when it comes to choose who to watch.
What is the NBC definition of "too political"?
December 7, 2007 - 18:52 ET by Intellectual HonestyNBC said it declined to air the ad because it refers to the group's Web site, which the network said was too political, not because of the ad's message. "We have a policy that prohibits acceptance of advertising that deals with issues of public controversy," Wurtzel said.
I believe it is incumbent that NBC, as it is federally licensed by the FCC, needs to spell out in a legalistic manner what they deem to be "too political."
"This particular ad, in and of itself, is fine. It thanks the troops for their action overseas. We asked them to eliminate a URL address where a person is asked to contact elected officials and told not to cut and run on the war on terror."
An added question for NBC is whether the main address URL for the website or some sub-address that directs the viewer to a link is the offending factor.
"It's a long-term policy, it goes back decades," Wurtzel said of NBC's stance of declining controversial issue advertising.
Decades is a bold boast. In this case they are placing the blame on the existence of a website URL but what ads pre-internet did they reject in the aforementioned "decades" period?
Bottomline: NBC needs to define "too political" in a palatable way. As it is now they can whip the phrase out whenever they want to flex their ideological muscles.
I am sorry ... I cannot
December 7, 2007 - 18:54 ET by drillanwrI am sorry ...
I cannot post a reply about this story ...
AS IT MAY GET ME BANNED FROM NBs FOR EXTREME LANGUAGE USE!!!
NBC said it declined to air
December 7, 2007 - 18:58 ET by MidAmericaNBC said it declined to air the ad because it refers to the group's Web site, which the network said was too political, not because of the ad's message.
????????????????!!
The network that PAYS Keith O. to spew sick political venom?
ON PERAL HARBOR DAY WHAT DO YOU EXPECT!
December 7, 2007 - 20:05 ET by Der AlteOn the 66th anniversary of Pearl Harbor attack what else can you expect for this miserable excuse for a major network! All I can say is go to Pearl Habor, visit the USS Arizona memorial and then read the names of the dead entombed below and know that they sacrificed their lives to protect our freedom! Know that they and those in the service today carry on that nobel tradition that goes back to Lexington and Concord and that all of these brave servicemen and women deserve our respect and eternal gratitude. For the network of "Bathtub Boy" to deny these ads is to be expected and desreves the contempt of all good citizens!
NBC - Nothing But Crap
huh?
December 7, 2007 - 20:27 ET by Agent W.H.Y."All I can say is go to Pearl Habor, visit the USS Arizona memorial and
then read the names of the dead entombed below and know that they
sacrificed their lives to protect our freedom!"
I believe you meant to say that the service men and women entombed in the USS Arizona are there because Roosevelt ignored warnings to move them out of harms way because he needed a pretext to declare war againt Japan, who was fighting to maintain [legal] access to South American raw materials.
The CFR had already briefed FDR on how the US and UK were to divide the planet with the US gaining access to all South American and SE Asian areas for pillaging.
And the Japanese responded to the US build up of long range bombers [B-17] capable of attacking the Japanese mainland with the same kind of pre-emptive attack the rightards laud Bu$h for. If you support Bu$h invading Iraq BEFORE they could have the capability of attacking the US, then you have to support Japan for bombing Pearl Harbor.
Why do you hate America so much?
Someone stinks
December 7, 2007 - 20:51 ET by ThisnThat.... I believe it's you. Go clean out your mouth.
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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber
huh?
December 7, 2007 - 20:53 ET by Agent W.H.Y....eh, forgot to address the issue, no? That's why they called you brianiac is the 5th grade, right!
You've got to get
December 7, 2007 - 20:56 ET by ThisnThat... that diaper changed.
___________________________________
If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber
huh?
December 7, 2007 - 21:55 ET by Agent W.H.Y."
... that diaper changed."
Thanks for the sophisticated debate!
I've got it me:1 you:0
Don't forget
December 7, 2007 - 22:39 ET by ThisnThat... to wipe the food and drool off your chin when you're done.
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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber
On the anniversary of Pearl Harbor, even fools like W.H.Y.
December 7, 2007 - 20:53 ET by RJare able to spout their ignorant bs, thanks to the freedom given them by the lives of our soldiers, sailors and airmen. I honor their memory.
Why are you so full of hate?
December 7, 2007 - 21:41 ET by Agent W.H.Y.Why are you so hate-filled? Are you a Christian? I made a statement, show me where I'm wrong instead of calling me names. I believe everything I posted is true and correct. Instead of verbal-vomit, how about trying to put your beliefs into words and changing a mind? If you have facts, bring them to the table.
On the anniversary of Pearl Harbor,
December 7, 2007 - 21:52 ET by RJeven fools like W.H.Y. are able to spout their ignorant bs, thanks to the freedom given them by the lives of our soldiers, sailors and airmen.
I honor their memory.
Pearl Harbor myths
December 8, 2007 - 04:28 ET by Carl Kolchak"I believe you meant to say that the service men and women entombed in the USS Arizona are there because Roosevelt ignored warnings to move them out of harms way because he needed a pretext to declare war againt Japan, who was fighting to maintain [legal] access to South American raw materials. The CFR had already briefed FDR on how the US and UK were to divide the planet with the US gaining access to all South American and SE Asian areas for pillaging. And the Japanese responded to the US build up of long range bombers [B-17] capable of attacking the Japanese mainland with the same kind of pre-emptive attack the rightards laud Bu$h for. If you support Bu$h invading Iraq BEFORE they could have the capability of attacking the US, then you have to support Japan for bombing Pearl Harbor. "
Japan was expanding their power in the South Pacific. They had aquired Manchuria and much of China which allowed them access to materials. They then joined the Axis Powers in 1940, which gave them access to more materials. Once France was defeated by the Germans, they aquired Indochina. However, Japan still lacked oil resources. The U.S. supplied much oil to Japan, and then placed an embargo on oil to Japan in response to their agression. This lead to negotiations between the U.S. and Japan, but both sides realized that it was only a matter of time before war would break out. Japanese military and civilian leaders thought the U.S. was their only obstacle to conquering all of Eastern Asia. They thought if they attacked and destroyed U.S. Pacific Fleet, the U.S. would sue for peace. Around the end of November 1941, negotiations broke off, and the U.S. refused to send oil. Admiral Chuichi Nagumo lead the attack on Pearl Harbor. The Americans had broken Japanese codes, so they knew an attack was coming, but it doesn't appear that they knew when or where. Some naval commanders thought Pearl Harbor was difficult to defend, but those in D.C. didn't think the Japanese had the will to attack that far .
Here is a pretty good link that looks at the myths and uses documentation to dispel the myths surrounding the attack on Pearl Harbor. The Japanese had been wrong, because it didn't lead to isolationism but lead to a unified country that took action.
http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/myths/index.html
ON PERAL HARBOR DAY WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM NBC
December 8, 2007 - 13:31 ET by Der AlteMy comments had to do with the NBC position denying the ads thanking the troops coinciding with the Pearl Harbor attack anniversary. It has nothing to do with why they were there or any conspiracy theories. However, since it was brought up our prewar policies justified Japan attacking us? That's the sort of crap arguments you would find on NBC where self hating idiots say the WTC attacks were our own fault!
I thank the troops, then now and in the future!
I was responding to the
December 8, 2007 - 13:51 ET by Carl KolchakI was responding to the poster who said that the U.S. and UK wanted to pillage South American and Asia. After WW2 concluded in the South Pacific, the U.S. and UK didn't pillage all of that territory. They helped Japan rebuild, and didn't control China. Some people think FDR knew about the attack and didn't warn Pearl Harbor. The link shows some of the myths in regards to this. However, it was obvious that sooner or later things would come to a head between Japan and the United States, and it was only a matter of time before the U.S. would get involved in Europe as well.
I also thank the troops in the past. I grew up on military posts, so I am extremly thankful to all the armed services past, present and future.
Acronym
December 7, 2007 - 20:13 ET by stratmanNBC = No Bothersome Conscience
Killing them with kindness isn't working. Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.
Whatever Your Disgust Might Be
December 7, 2007 - 20:25 ET by BourbeauIt accounts for nothing if you don't demonstrate how you feel by e-mailing GE and NBC about this disgraceful decision. GE has been able to exempt itself from any responsibility and is rarely assailed whenever one of "it's NBC employees", such Christ Matthews, or Keith Ohlbermann go off the deep end. GE, by the way, has a huge investment in military hard-ware thru jet engines and materials; so they benefit mightily from our military. In otherwords, it's okay to make money from the military contracts, just don't ask us to support the troops openly. Go to NBC and GE homepages; get their e-mails, and YELL LIKE HELL!!!!!! Do it now, not next week.
Networks not obligated to air ads that are blatant lies...
December 7, 2007 - 20:19 ET by Agent W.H.Y.It simply isn't true that all of America supports the troops.
We supported those who were drafted back in VietNam, but these guys are volunteers and frankly, they should be refusing the illegal orders to invade other countries like we expected the Germans to do in the 1930s.
Support the troops! Bring them [and the National Guard] home now, and fire all of the mercenaries! Restore the USAs high standards which made us the envy of the world! End the Republican MO of lowering ourselves to the standards of those we claim to have moral superiority to.
Bring back truth, justice and the American Way!
Troll crap alert!
December 7, 2007 - 20:28 ET by drillanwrWe supported those who were drafted back in VietNam
bullshit !!!
but these guys are volunteers and frankly, they should be refusing the illegal orders to invade other countries like we expected the Germans to do in the 1930s.
double bullshit !!! ... especially for making the analogy of German Nazi soldiers to OUR troops
Support the troops! Bring them [and the National Guard] home now, and fire all of the mercenaries!
triple-dog bullshit! Away with you, before someone drops a house on YOU!
hey drill -- ignore
December 7, 2007 - 20:35 ET by Jack Bauerhey drill -- ignore the fascist/commie troll. Fascist / commie / socialist worker / whatever / they're all the same.
He's just another America hating totalitarian with a burger for a brain. It's pretty pathetic.
And as ususal with these types -- he's had a triple humor bypass.
When you don't have any facts, resort to ad hominum
December 7, 2007 - 20:41 ET by Agent W.H.Y.He's just another America hating totalitarian with a burger for a brain. It's pretty pathetic.
And as ususal with these types -- he's had a triple humor bypass
Humor bypass? America hating totalitarian? Now THAT'S funny! Oh yeah, did you have anything to add to the conversation, or do you only post bloviation?
I'm not a commie, nor a fascist, nor a socialist worker. I'm a hard working American who loves his country, and works to keep it from being drained of all liberty and justice by those who want to steal everything for themselves.
Remember, the founding fathers weren't corporate robbers.
Back on point, can't refute my post can you?
There's no obligation to refute bullsh*t
December 7, 2007 - 21:08 ET by RJ;^>
RJ -- you just repeated one
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