After hearing Rosie O'Donnell's most recent despicable rant about the President, MSNBC should consider reopening discussions with the outspoken comedienne to get her on the cable network following Keith Olbermann's "Countdown."
In fact, it seems a slam dunk!
Consider comments O'Donnell made Monday at the 10th annual fundraiser for her charitable For All Kids Foundation.
As reported by Fox News.com, while "riffing and having fun from the dais during an auction of pricey gifts such as spending a day on the set of ‘Nip/Tuck' or taking a 14-day cruise in the Mediterranean on a luxury line," Rosie blurted out the following for her audience (emphasis added): "George Bush is a war criminal."
Isn't that a special thing for the host of a charity fundraiser to say to her guests and benefactors?
Maybe even more disgusting, there were children at the gala. As O'Donnell posted at her website Tuesday (emphasis added):
paul simon sang last night
as public school kids
danced around him
in celebration of everything[...]
a video is on the way
paul the kids me
last night
where magic was made in the marriot
Yes, how magical: the head of a kids' charity telling an audience, conceivably with children in attendance, that their president is a war criminal.
I wish my kids had been there to see such magic!
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Excuse me for being crass
November 22, 2007 - 11:10 ET by JerryExcuse me for being crass on this glorious day of Thanksgiving but...
No matter how fat those cheeks get, she just can't keep the stupidity from oozing out.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
It's like Tourettes or something
November 22, 2007 - 11:20 ET by landsharkMaybe she hadn't met her BDS Outburst quota for the week and had to let that out in order to maintain her "member in good standing" status.
Seriously, can these idiots do anything without turning it into an opportunity to bash the president?
Liberals
November 22, 2007 - 11:29 ET by iveseenitallMany "Liberals" are not mature or intelligent enough to keep their hatred to themselves. Therefore, they often make complete fools of themselves. Rosie is a case in point.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
That's right; they can't
November 22, 2007 - 11:38 ET by motherbeltThat's right; they can't hold it in. If Rosie the O spoke anytime in public and didn't bash the President, her head would explode.
Bush IS a WAR criminal
November 22, 2007 - 12:06 ET by professor truthunless you are ready to absolve Hitler of his illegal invasion of Poland, justified by Hitler at the time as a DEFENSIVE move. Are you guys a group of happy fascists? Unprovoked wars of aggression are WAR CRIMES. Show me where Iraq was an imminent threat. Were they planning an invasion of the US? How? We attacked and invaded Iraq without provocation, a WAR CRIME!!!
Professor Ostrich
November 22, 2007 - 12:18 ET bypaging professor ostrich
Yes, you are even more annoying than Blonde. the EYE
Anybody comparing Bush to
November 22, 2007 - 14:08 ET by NewsbusterbrownAnybody comparing Bush to Hitler is not worth debating.
Happy Thanksgiving, one and all!
I'll agree with that...
November 22, 2007 - 14:16 ET by MightyMouthBut these particular trolls try to play nice with some of the posters and even have some fooled into thinking they are here to debate the issues.
They are here for disruption only.. Period. End of story. I for one find it hard to look at the feces they throw on the threads without getting my two cents in, but I think a better approach is to ignore them at all cost. They will go away in time.
"I love the smell of burning Trolls in the morning"..MM
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM
November 22, 2007 - 14:21 ET byfirst trolls home pics
second: "I love the smell of burning Trolls in the morning"..MM sorry but fried turd is not conducive to enjoying breakfast
Yes, you are even more annoying than Blonde. the EYE
great pic
November 22, 2007 - 18:52 ET by Carbon SasquatchI've often heard of surrender monkeys on the Mike Church radio show on Sirius 144, but this is my first sighting.
or maybe you can learn something
November 22, 2007 - 14:57 ET by professor truthI generally post at the leftwing site, newshounds, as progressive pat.
I've posted here for about 4 days, so what's the big deal? Sometimes I am rude and baiting, so waht. Talk to me respectfully, and i'll do likewise. Real simple. Don't think you have all the answers. i certainly don't think so.
Don't think you have all
November 22, 2007 - 15:04 ET by bretzysdudeDon't think you have all the answers. i certainly don't think so.
Translation: Don't think you have all the answers. I certainly don't think (you have all the answers...but I do!!!)
Pr Tr
November 22, 2007 - 15:20 ET byTalk to me respectfully, and i'll do likewise
that was definately not your beginning here this morning was it? You came on rude and baiting as you say NOW you want respectful dialogue? If you are being genuine here then you will realize that it is now up to you to remain respectful and it will take a while before the repercussions of your posts to end. In other words you have set your respect back by your actions.
Yes, you are even more annoying than Blonde. the EYE
He's probably going to
November 22, 2007 - 16:19 ET by bretzysdudeHe's probably going to challenge you that he was being respectful.
But we have the proof: he compared Bush to Hitler.
I'd like for him to explain how that was being considered respectful.
Respect is not found in his
November 22, 2007 - 20:08 ET by Senior ChiefRespect is not found in his vocabulary. He will ask for respect- leftoids are good at this- but he will ignore in return, and they'll play victimhood. Ask Hillary, she blamed the GOP for "piling" on her. I say no! By the way, I said that in a...respectful and loving way. Uh huh.
Uh-oh. The International Lawyer is here
November 22, 2007 - 15:48 ET by landsharkGiven your expertise in "International Law" (whatever that means), can I assume you're a legal scholar? *snickering*
Here's a fun project for you, Professor Talking Point; why don't you head down to your nearest law library, roll up your sleeves, find out exactly which statute was broken by the invasion.
If there was a ever more vague and meaningless notion than that of "international law", I don't want to know about it. Don't you people ever question these things, or do you just repeat them under the assumption that they're true?
landshark, was Hitler's Poland invasion a war crime??
November 26, 2007 - 00:48 ET by professor truthIf you say ,"yes", please explain the difference between the two invasions? Do you need an expertise in international law to determine if an aggressive invasion of a country that posed no threat to you is a crime?? Maybe you can be the next atty General who can't decide if waterboarding is torture. I teach high school science but I've heard Bruce Fein, a CONSERVATIVE ex ast atty general in the REAGAN justice dept state that Bush has committed impeachable offenses. Why don't you go refute his arguments, I'm just agreeing.
Inpeachable offenses? Like
November 26, 2007 - 01:08 ET by NL207Inpeachable offenses? Like what? Accepting a 5 million dollar bribe from the ChiComms to sell a top secret satellite tracking station to them?
You can't debate? You mean we should just accept your undefended statements and go somewhere else to learn your version of the 'truth'?
This is what Fein was talking about: "should Bush remain defiant in defending his constitutionally-abusive wire-tapping of Americans"
No one has yet demonstrated that any "spying" in the absence of a warrant actually took place on American soil. The only objections I have seen have been in regards to how the warrants were issued. All such eavesdropping was directed at foreign telecommunications terminals, implying the targets of such surveillance were on foreign soil. The Constitution invests the power to conduct foreign relations, including espionage, with the President only.
A little critical thought goes a long way.
And the leftoid media let
November 22, 2007 - 15:07 ET by Senior ChiefAnd the leftoid media let Rosie-the fat-loudmouth-lesbian-jerk spew vile comments against the president and the war efforts without giving the facts. True journalism, which is lost in the leftoid media, lost its credibility, again. If Rosie and her benefactors looks foolish, its because the leftoid media are fools...
the media is pro war corporate
November 22, 2007 - 15:13 ET by professor truthHow much criticism of war profiteers have the cable channels had? Ever see Noam Chomsky on any cable channel? I did see Naomi Wolf get interrupted incessantly by Jon Kasich on FAUX news. The media is a pro war cheerleader who have backpeddled a little after the Iraq disaster.
So we hear nothing but good
November 22, 2007 - 15:58 ET by bretzysdudeSo we hear nothing but good news from the MSM about the war and President Bush???
*facepalm*
"Hey in there, Cliff. Tell me, what color is the sky in your world?" - Frasier Crane, "Cheers"
"The media is a pro
November 22, 2007 - 16:04 ET by"The media is a pro war cheerleader who have backpeddled a little after the Iraq disaster"
I wonder how many of the scared public saw what was going on when suddenly the majority of news stations were gung ho on war and journalists were afraid to speak out against this disaster! Very few journalists talked about how peace was a much better and safer alternative.
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons
Uh, examples?
November 22, 2007 - 16:07 ET by bretzysdudeUh, examples?
You dittoheads will
November 22, 2007 - 16:19 ET byYou dittoheads will complain about Bill Moyers and attempt to destroy his credibility also if you havent already:
"How did the mainstream press get it so wrong? How did the evidence disputing the existence of weapons of mass destruction and the link between Saddam Hussein to 9-11 continue to go largely unreported? "What the conservative media did was easy to fathom; they had been cheerleaders for the White House from the beginning and were simply continuing to rally the public behind the President — no questions asked. How mainstream journalists suspended skepticism and scrutiny remains an issue of significance that the media has not satisfactorily explored," says Moyers. "How the administration marketed the war to the American people has been well covered, but critical questions remain: How and why did the press buy it, and what does it say about the role of journalists in helping the public sort out fact from propaganda?"
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons
Does Moyers provide
November 22, 2007 - 16:28 ET by bretzysdudeDoes Moyers provide specific examples about the "pro-war MSM"? No, he doesn't. He's just shooting off his mouth, but has no sources to back him up. So you never gave me actual news sources that were pro-war, but someone's opinion that the media was pro-war. Nice going.
And since the word "cheerleaders" has been bouncing off the walls here, it's interesting that PT uses this to describe the MSM, but Moyers uses it to describe the conservative media. Sounds to me like you're misusing your talking points.
If his credibility can be
November 23, 2007 - 08:58 ET by buddycIf his credibility can be destroyed, why can't we destroy it. Is he a 14 year old? How about being a spouse of a 9-11 victim. Does he have Parkinson's? Does he have aids? Hell he is worthless to you guys. You need victims to make your arguments so you can avoid criticism.
Oh, forget it. It'll
November 22, 2007 - 16:08 ET by bretzysdudeOh, forget it. It'll probably be out of context taken from a far-left web site anyway.
Right now I'm a realist.
November 22, 2007 - 23:58 ET by KarmaI know I can't possibly track them all, but ya' know, ya' gotta start somewhere.
A free press is one of the first things to go in a Montana Lyons government.
Norm Chomsky is UBL's
November 22, 2007 - 20:12 ET by buddycNorm Chomsky is UBL's favorite "american" "intellectual". Ever see Chomsky anywhere on television? I haven't. He is so awful at orally expressing himself he hides in a hole and like UBL issues his writings from a cave to be published and discussed by others.
Head to the DPRK
November 23, 2007 - 00:10 ET by UnsaneHow much criticism of war profiteers There is NO government anywhere big enough for your liking, is there?
If you hate "war profiteers" so much, I take it you want to see Boeing, GM, Ford, and Chrysler completely shut down? Because, you see, as the government doesn't 100% control the means of production (a fact that no doubt pains you immensely), since...since...since EVER, the government has turned to business to equip it to defend the freedoms you happily take for granted. The B-17s that flew over Europe weren't built "gratis". Nor were such planes as the Enola Gay and Bock's Car.
For starters.
May I suggest you immigrate to North Korea?
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Another Straw Man
November 23, 2007 - 12:10 ET by landsharkTo the extent that the media was initially "pro-war", do you think it might have had anything to do with the fact that their Democrat masters were also pro-war?
The Dems and media made an about face on Iraq at about the same time..... hmmmmm........
Do you think there's a chance that they might be in bed together? Nah!
(I'm still waiting to hear what international law was violated by the invasion, Professor. Bonus question: what treaty did the U.S. sign that surrenders national security policy to "international law"?)
Shut up
November 22, 2007 - 11:26 ET by dboCould somebody please give Rosie's phone number to King Juan Carlos of Spain.
Who cares what Rosie says or thinks
November 22, 2007 - 11:30 ET by ToddonCapeCodI can't remember giving less of a d*mn of what Rosie thinks or says about anything
why bother reporting ...
November 22, 2007 - 11:38 ET by pmohbuckanything this filthy individual says ... she's unintelligent, disgusting and above all ... ugly in every way, shape and form. it's obvious that rosie can't garner attention in any other way ... so why keep feeding the pig ... just let her rot in the sty.
I just dislike her for
November 22, 2007 - 11:51 ET by Mr. PaulI just dislike her for her thoughts and words. They she looks means nothing to me.
"After eating you should not wipe your hand until you have either licked your fingers or given them to someone else to lick. Sahih Muslim vol.3 book 21 no.5037-5042 p.1119-1120
The truth hurts. Happy
November 22, 2007 - 11:49 ET byThe truth hurts. Happy Thanksgiving!
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons
then it must pain you
November 22, 2007 - 11:52 ET byto come here
Yes, you are even more annoying than Blonde. the EYE
: )
November 22, 2007 - 11:54 ET by: )
Montana
November 22, 2007 - 12:10 ET by professor truthRight on. These willfully ignorant clowns who support Bush wouldn't know a war criminal if he sent them to Guantanamo andd waterboarded them. They are a group of dogmatic fools, having nothing of substance to say. Any nation that aggressively attacks another and not for imminent self defense commits war crimes, the supreme crime according to Nuremberg principles.
It's that line of thinking
November 22, 2007 - 12:22 ET by MagCynicIt's that line of thinking that got us hit on 9/11. Liberals: "Oh, if we just leave them alone they won't bother us."
Please provide a link for
November 22, 2007 - 13:13 ET by buddycPlease provide a link for the "Nuremberg principles"?
You do realize that by your definition of a war criminal Bill Clinton would also be guilty for his actions in attacking the Sundan, Afghanistan, Bosnia and Iraq?
You also know that John Edwards, John Kerry and Hillary Clinton would be as culpable as Bush because the voted to authorize the use of force and in the case of Hillary and Edwards actually urged force publically and repeatedly.
Tell my why our teachers are failing our students? Isn't is a crime against humanity to waste the minds of our youth with incompetent teachers whose job is guaranteed them no matter how incompetent they are?
If you want to talk about war crimes and crimes against humanity let us talk about what people like you do to our children.
You're not going to get a
November 22, 2007 - 16:56 ET by contraryYou're not going to get a link or a reasoned argument, that would require facts and intelligence. Somethings the stalinists who post here do not have.
Hey trolls, here's an anecdotal question...
How pathetic do you have to be to post such drivel that noone cares about here, especially on Thanksgiving? Don't you have better things to do, like being with family?
Well ta ta, I'm off to enjoy this day with people I care about, thankful I'm not a leftist, insecure, little sheep.
Partner, I can think of
November 22, 2007 - 15:32 ET by ConservativeRexPartner, I can think of more than a few Neo-Stalinist such as yourself, that could use a good dose of waterboarding. You Neo-Stalinist are the most ungrateful lot to litter the landscape of a beautiful country.
You have it so bad in a country that let's you slander a good man such as President Bush!
What the hell kind of people raised people like you? And how are you raising your own children? There was some kind of dis-connect between your parents and yourself. They HAVE to be ashamed of you, if they know how you are, and if they aren't they are as big as loser as you are.
No pride, no shame. Just ungratefulness. Such a shame we have good, brave men standing in harms way for people like you. But they do. Because they are patriots, they know what it takes to KEEP this country free. They are ashamed of you as I am, but still, you are a citizen and will be protected, although I can't figure out why. As far as I am concerned you don't deserve it. You may soon find out just how little you mean in the grand scheme of things if we DO get attacked here again. You and yours will be the first to go. Islamofascist as least respect some one who'll stand up for something.
So have your little smug laugh "professor truth". But know you'll sleep safe because brave men protect you.
More talking points
November 23, 2007 - 00:15 ET by UnsaneAny nation that aggressively attacks another when we attack another nation, I HOPE it is done aggressively.
Violence ALWAYS works. It has worked every single time it has been tried.
As for the "Nuremburg principles": I doubt you can find Nuremburg on a map, much less define what the "Nuremburg principles" are, or what they are based on. Giles MacDonogh (sp?) casts a dim light on the whole thing, anyways, if you bother reading anything other than agitprop or Leftist talking points.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
A free press is one of the
November 23, 2007 - 00:00 ET by KarmaA free press is one of the first things to go in a Montana Lyons government.
Not Afraid to Speak Evil of Dignities
November 22, 2007 - 11:56 ET by gideonmjamesJude 1:8-13 New American Version
(8) Likewise also these liberal nutjobs spew out their unreasoning hatred, despise just government, and speak evil of God, the Bible, and honorable men.
(9) Yet Michael the archangel, even when contending with the devil about the body of Moses, did not bring against him a baseless accusation, but said, "The Lord rebuke thee!"
(10) But these sociopathic liberals speak evil of those things which they understand not : only what they know carnally, as brute beasts. In their resentments and hatreds they corrupt themselves.
(11) Woe unto them! For they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the calumniations of Korah.
(12) These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear. Clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
(13) Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.
Rosie O'Donnell and the Raging Left have never been so aptly, so precisely, and so thoroughly described.
No More Rosie
November 22, 2007 - 12:00 ET by DanoAll together now, NO MORE ROSIE......... NO MORE ROSIE.......... NO MORE ROSIE......... NO MORE ROSIE.......... NO MORE ROSIE........ NO MORE ROSIE........... NO MORE ROSIE........ NO MORE ROSIE......... NO MORE ROSIE........ NO MORE ROSIE.....
Seeing that photo of
November 22, 2007 - 12:09 ET by motherbeltSeeing that photo of Rosie, it kept reminding me of something else, and I finally realized what it was....
What do you think, separated at birth?
Rosie
Scary
Rosie is a Great American
November 22, 2007 - 12:13 ET by professor truthwho is simply pointing out the obvious. Unless you clowns think every nation is legally able to attack any other nation whenever it feels that there may be a future threat.
Not just when it feels.
November 22, 2007 - 12:25 ET by MagCynicNot just when it feels. When it justifiably feels it may be a future threat which Iraq was.
assertion does not a
November 22, 2007 - 12:26 ET byassertion does not a logical argument make, you should at least be consistant and provide some substance to your falsehoods
Yes, you are even more annoying than Blonde. the EYE
You can't find logic, facts
November 22, 2007 - 13:05 ET by buddycYou can't find logic, facts or intelligent argument in a Ted Raul (sp) cartoon or the cartoon/movie world that liberals live in. They will never provide you fact or logic.
"Unless you clowns think
November 22, 2007 - 12:30 ET by MightyMouth"Unless you clowns think every nation is legally able to attack any
other nation whenever it feels that there may be a future threat."
Legality has nothing to do with it. Justification and ability are what causes a country to got to war. You are a fool if you believe otherwise.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Spare Us The Lecture Professor
November 22, 2007 - 12:39 ET by BourbeauRosie is a despicable person in the same vein as Jane Fonda. Whatever the facts and circumstances regarding the war are irrelevant to you. You professor, Rosie, and others like you have made made a mockery of the truth with your baseless accusations, name calling, and unsubstantiated commentary which usually involves repeating the Democrat's talking points. The difference between George Bush and those that disdain him is pretty simple: he's a leader with convictions and has confidence in himself to look you straight in the eye and thank you for your perspective, and proceed with his policies. He's not perfect, no leader is. This nation was filled with doomsayers about Saddam before Bush took office, who conveniently have forgotten all their rhetoric. And when he demanded Saddam to toe the line all he got were empty commitments from him and the UN. The Congressional Record is filled with commentary, by Democrats, warning our people of the dangers of Saddam and demanding we take action. The only person responsible for Iraq is Sadam. The world is better off without him and his sons; the Iraqi people have a chance to make a life for themselves; and in the end, George Bush will be seen as having had the convictions to take on this war. So Professor, do continue your whining, continue to encourage your leaders Pelosi and Reid to be clueless of where we are and what we're doing to protect this country because in the end, George Bush will have kick their collective political butts to hell and back, and not even blink in the process. By the way, how's the surge working?
Rosie is a Great American
November 22, 2007 - 12:42 ET by MightyMouthA great American? Give me a break. Great americans are dying daily to defend this country. Rosie is the poster child for all that is wrong with America. You and people like her would permit 911 X 1000 and still think it was Americas fault. You're lunatics, madmen, fools and ignorant idealist who would piss your pants and cry like babies if there weren't brave men and women keeping you safe. Worst of all you take the freedom that is given you by the blood of others and piss on their sacrafice.
You are truly the lowest form of life on earth. But hey, have a happy and freedom filled Thanksgiving slimebag!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Bush permitted 9-11
November 22, 2007 - 13:17 ET by professor truthstop blaming the left for YOUR FAILED POLICIES! This country has all the similiarities of a fascist state because of BUSH and his criminal accomplices like Cheney, who are traitors for exposing intelligence officers. Isn't someone who exposes a CIA asset a traitor?
proffessor troll
November 22, 2007 - 13:21 ET byis that lemon-lime or cherry kool-aid you're drinking?
Yes, you are even more annoying than Blonde. the EYE
botg, but why can't we be friends?
November 22, 2007 - 13:26 ET by professor truthI'm not drinking the kool aid. Those that allow criminals to remain in power are the ones guzzling it. Cyanide, anyone?
check the links ostrich
November 22, 2007 - 13:33 ET byyou might also check these quotes before you are foolish enough to spout another urban legend
Yes, you are even more annoying than Blonde. the EYE
btog, this is the one that
November 22, 2007 - 18:42 ET by motherbeltbtog, this is the one that caught my eye:
“Every nation has to either be with us, or against us. Those who
harbor terrorists, or who finance them, are going to pay a price.”
Senator Hillary Clinton (Democrat, New York)
September 13, 2001
http://www.wavsource.com/news/20010911a.htm
When President Bush was being derided as a reckless, bigmouthed cowboy for saying "you're either with us or with the terrorists" why did Sen. Clinton get a pass?
Prof Truther
November 22, 2007 - 20:25 ET by acumenThose that allow criminals to remain in power are the ones guzzling it (kool aid).
So you agree Saddam should have been removed from power?
If not you are in effect admitting you partake in the followers of Jim Jones' beverage of choice.
If so then Bush's regime change is justified which results in your Bush-criminal argument becoming quite wrong.
Please inform the class what the correct answer is Professor?
Bush permitted 9-11
November 22, 2007 - 13:32 ET by MightyMouthReally asshat? You have proof of course. No? No proof? Then STFU! Just another 9-11 "truther".
Don't you have a Ron Paul rally to attend?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Hey Mighty... Hope your
November 22, 2007 - 18:35 ET by bigtimerHey Mighty...
Hope your brother is still doing okay and staying safe as possible, I still thank him and all others serving for our precious right for free speech, even pt who gives Barnum and Bailey's a bad name.
Take care friend.
Happy Thanksgiving!
CIA "Assset"
November 22, 2007 - 18:08 ET by fitzfongNo doubt you're implying that this intelligence officer who was "exposed" was Valerie Plame. Leaving aside the fact that no one in the Administration exposed her...it was Richard Armitage, as you so conveniently ignore...the suggestion that she was somehow an asset is absolutely laughable. Valerie Plame was a self-absorbed desk jockey...a liability (like you and any student who's unfortunate enough to get stuck in your classroom of ignorance).
What an idiot
November 23, 2007 - 00:22 ET by UnsaneThis country has all the similiarities of a fascist state You wouldn't know fascism if Benito Mussolini himself were resurrected in your house. You CONTINUE with your temper tantrum because you simply cannot function without the government having complete, micromanaging, total control of your life. You can't even deal with the horrifying stress of deciding what to wear in the morning without some government bureaucrat holding your hand the entire time.
criminal accomplices like Cheney, who are traitors for exposing intelligence officers. Go cry to Richard Armitage. Anyways, treason is very sharply, clearly defined in the Constitution as "making war on the United States" or "providing aid and comfort to its enemies". You require two witnesses or a confession in open court to prove your case. A conviction cannot work corruption of blood.
Do you EVER, for even a SECOND, think for yourself?
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Is is real "obvious"? Is
November 22, 2007 - 13:03 ET by buddycIs is real "obvious"? Is she really a great american? A "great american" doesn't call members of the US Military "war criminals" and "child killers". She has called the US Military war criminals and child killers. Only a scumbag would do that. She is a scumbag.
Bush was elected. He is fair game. Disagree with him all you want.
But, we need the US Military. We need to honor their lawful service. They are good people merely doing their job.
Hey Noel
November 22, 2007 - 12:36 ET byWould you consider coming to a thread and posting "Bush is a war criminal" comments three different places to be troll behavior?
(especially when we have throughly debunked such ridiculous assertions here numerous times)
Yes, you are even more annoying than Blonde. the EYE
right on
November 22, 2007 - 12:42 ET by iveseenitallRight on. The guy's intent is obvious.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
botg
November 22, 2007 - 12:48 ET by shawn228This proffessor truth is something else, I actually thought he was not so bad until the name calling and his true colors came out.
Lets give Noel and nice and peaceful Thanksgiving botg, i'm sure he has better things to do than give a tongue thrashing.
Happy bird day shawn
November 22, 2007 - 12:54 ET bywell it's with the Dave R stuff and all i just don't have the patience to deal with posters here getting set up. It's also a harbinger of many many more threads being derailed
"Nip it, Nip it, Nip it" Barney Fife
botg
November 22, 2007 - 17:12 ET by shawn228Happy bird day to you as well botg, I wish Dave was with us today as well. I agree with Collinsworth, this is the best team maybe in the history of football
A different sort of Thanksgiving
November 23, 2007 - 00:25 ET by UnsaneShawn, Long time no see. I thought you celebrated Thanksgiving on the second Sunday in October!
:-)
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Unsane,
November 23, 2007 - 00:45 ET by shawn228Unsane,
Good to see you, and Happy Thanksgiving. Hey American's got Canada beat when it comes to Bird Day, If you have the Friday off, 4 straight days of eating, drinking beer and watching sports, it does not get any better than that.
Now if you want to talk about medic........... ummm joking, just joking, lets not get on that subject again:-)
Canada and the U.S. on Thanksgiving
November 23, 2007 - 00:53 ET by UnsaneFunny you mention med...NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Funny you mention the Canadian approach to Bird Day. I was musing to myself the other day about how the U.S. approach is the best one, as we have Thanksgiving on a Thursday, giving us all an excuse to have a three-day work week. Whereas the Canadians - suckers - have...NOTHING! Just another Sunday in October!!!
I bet they don't even have a cool slate of CFL games to enjoy... :-)
As for drinking beer...well, I do some of that, but I prefer the family tradition of Spaetlese. I do hail from Germans on one side of the family, after all...
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Days off
November 23, 2007 - 01:08 ET by shawn228Thanksgiving is great for a 4 day party, The US also has Christmas, New Years, Labor Day, Memorial Day and the 4th of July. I don't know about you, but I do not get MLK day, Presidents Day, Veterens "Day off or Good Friday off.
Most places in Canada are closed for Christmas, New Years, Thanksgiving day, Easter Friday, Easter Monday, Canada Day, Rememberece Day,Labour Day, Boxing Day, Victoria Day. So if talk about pound for pound days off, They come out ahead. Damn Socialist:-)
PS, for a person that has never lived in Canada, your knowledge about them is amazing,
More rattling on Canada
November 23, 2007 - 02:44 ET by UnsaneOn one Victoria Day in particular I found myself in Toronto, and it was mostly shut down. It was much non-conducive to my playing tourist.
The thing about the Socialist world is that when they have a holiday, they friggin mean it. You think Canada is bad? It has NOTHING on Germany. For another thing, at least businesses in Canada can set their own hours by and large (though if I recall correctly ON and PQ have rather restrictive laws - playing tourist on Sunday in Toronto was ALSO quite rough) - hang out in Germany at 1755 on a weekday, and check out what happens in a major shopping district. ALL the businesses close at the same time.
I would note that the United States is perhaps the only nation in the English-speaking world that doesn't recognize Boxing Day. So, right there, in the holiday competition, you give the U.S. -1 for showing up.
P.S. On a visit to Ottawa, I was in an elevator heading to my hotel room on the night of my arrival there. I was chatting with a Canadian out-of-towner. I mentioned where I was from and he asked what I was doing in Ottawa. He freaked when I told him the truth: "I just wanted to see Canada and I thought Ottawa would be a good place to start."
P.P.S. ONLY when I was in the military active duty did I get all the federal holidays off.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
You've only debunked the question of your ignorance
November 22, 2007 - 13:20 ET by professor truthYou are a complete ignoramus if you deny Bush is a war criminal. Was Hitler a war criminal for invading Poland or was he legally justified because he claimed it was a defensive act. You guys don't seem to answer myquestions, because the only answer is that I'm right.
professor troll
November 22, 2007 - 13:28 ET byIraq was a continuation of the earlier hostilities, for which Sadaam had numerous UN resolutions. The moratorium which ended fighting was broken by Sadaam. So proffesor ostrich you can check the links listed or you can show yourself for the ignorant talking point spouting socialist plant you truly are.
Yes, you are even more annoying than Blonde. the EYE
Was Poland in violation of
November 22, 2007 - 13:32 ET by JerryWas Poland in violation of the terms of surrender that they agreed upon, as Iraq was from Gulf War I? Was Poland in direct violation of 17 UN resolutions? Did all the world's intelligence agencies claim that Poland was developing weapons of mass destruction? Was Poland using WMD on it's own people? Did Germany's largest city get attacked by terrorists? Was Poland guilty of harboring and enabling terrorist?
Give it a rest PT. We were completely justified after the first issue alone - direct violation of the terms of surrender from Gulf War I.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
with due respect, Jerry
November 22, 2007 - 14:05 ET by professor truthNO UN resolution called for war. Not one! I defy you to show me one resolution that SPECIFICALLY authorized war. There isn't one resolution stated that war is authorized. UN res 1441 referred to serious consequences, which was used to justify war. Also, the NO fly zones were also not UN authorized. If Iraqi planes were doing daily flights and bombings over the US, would WE see this as an act of war. Another point. Israel has been in violation of UN resolutions for over 20 years. Does this allow for aggressive attacks on it? Iraq used WMD's on their people..Correct. Was this a war crime?? If so, the US was an accomplice to this, having supported Hussein when he was his most murderous. Rumsfeld is seen smiling and shaking Saddam's hand in 83. I'd say these guys are all war criminals.
I understand that the UN
November 22, 2007 - 19:53 ET by JerryI understand that the UN resolutions did not authorize war. Why do you think I called them worthless. Why issue a resolution if there are no consequences tied to the resolution? I did say that President Bush put the teeth to the resolutions.
What the UN did or did not authorize is inconsequential. Iraq was in violation of the terms of cessation of hostilities from Gulf War I. That is all that is needed to justify the war. PERIOD. The UN did not sanction Clinton's war on Iraq. The UN did not sanction Clinton's war in Kosovo. What's your point. Show me where you ever called Clinton a war criminal.
You say Rumsfeld shook Saddam's hand. Hilary kissed Mrs Arafat. Again I say, so what? In the past, alliances changed based upon who was our most pressing enemy. This has no bearing on Iraq's violation of terms of surrender from their war on Kuwait.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Jerry
November 22, 2007 - 19:59 ET by Noel SheppardJerry,
Regardless, I guess in these folks' view, Neville Chamberlain was a war criminal for shaking Hitler and Mussolini's hands at Munich in 1939. :-) ns
B
November 22, 2007 - 15:44 ET by Noel SheppardB,
Sorry for the delay. I didn't see the "Hey Noel" title.
My answer is yes. However, as it's Thanksgiving, I'm in a forgiving, passive mood. Moreover, I'm trying to take the comments sections less seriously, and focus more on my writing...and my life. :-)
Make sense? ns
no worries Noel
November 22, 2007 - 15:56 ET bythough since Prof T is new he does need to understand that we do indeed attempt to keep the dialogue at a higher level than the sites he is used to. (Don't always succeed but we try)
B
November 22, 2007 - 16:08 ET by Noel SheppardB,
No doubt. Yet, isn't it tough to get angered by such comments at this point?
After all, when I hear a child in a supermarket say something really stupid to his or her parent, I don't let it bother me. As such, when someone at a conservative website calls a Republican president -- who was given authority to go to war by overwhelming majorities of both Congressional Democrats and Republicans -- a war criminal, it seems as easily ignored as a child making a ruckus in a supermarket.
Think about it: the lack of civics acumen on display here at times is so abysmal that the only smart move -- much as the computer concludes at the end of the movie "War Games"! -- is not to play. In fact, this has become my MO with all of the liberal trolls here.
Frankly, I think my point is being heard most loudly by not responding -- with a delicous ancillary benefit of pissing them off! :-) ns
Professor
November 22, 2007 - 13:04 ET by Mulligan22As I recall we had a low level war with Iraq since 1991, it was called the no fly zone, where our jets were being shot at daily. Iraq was in violation of that agreement which alone justifyed military action.
Official policy of the US since 1998 was regime change signed by Clinton. There are so many Dem quotes prior to invasion in support of it, space here does not allow room for it. But they cannot be ignored by any sane person. Mrs. Clinton claims to have done her own research outside of what the White House was presenting.
GWB never claimed Iraq was an imminent threat. Show me the quote if you think different.
Iraq was in violation of UN resolutions and lack of compliance brought on military action.
Lefty's like to cry about the US has killed 600K Iraqi's. This number can't be supported by fact, but it does make me wonder one thing. Iraq had mass graves with over 600k in them and more being buried each day. They had REAL torture rooms, rape rooms and children's prisons. WHERE WERE ALL THE LIBS COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS PRIOR TO INVASION? Did they not care about the innocent?
Now they wish for the US to leave and give terrorists a recruiting poster like they'd love to have.
LIBS what is your solution that will work for Iraq long term?
mulligan
November 22, 2007 - 13:29 ET by shawn228GWB never claimed Iraq was an imminent threat. Show me the quote if you think different.
I happen to disagree with the proffessor about most things and I don't have a quote from Dubya, but here is one from his SOD
The proffessor is wacky, but imo Rumsfeld pretty said Iraq was an immenent threat
Quote
November 22, 2007 - 13:49 ET by Mulligan22Rumsfeld said a lot of things. But we didn't go in based on an interview with the secretary of defense giving his opinion. Libs complain it was GWB who made the official statement of imminent threat. Which was my point in response to professor pointing to GWB.
mulligan
November 22, 2007 - 14:03 ET by shawn228Rumsfeld was in charge of Security for our country and also the chief architect of the Iraq invasion, I believe what he said is relevant.
Maybe this will be
November 22, 2007 - 16:31 ET by Indiana JoeMaybe this will be considered "over-parsing," but in the quote read in the clip, Rummy says "the most immediate threat." Not "AN immediate threat." Most immediate, as in more immediate than any other.
Nit-picking maybe, but if we're looking for a direct quote, this may not be it.
Bush talked about a grave and gathering threat
November 22, 2007 - 14:15 ET by professor truthwhich was a complete lie. He also stated in one of his presidential pre war addresses that "we don't want the final proof to be in the form of a mushroom cloud." The downing street memo stated the "facts were fixed around the policy." Nobody has refuted this memo credibly. As I said, Iraqi policy was a US policy. I don't in any way defend Clinton. The British saw a 90% DROP in violence when they LEFT Basra. We should learn from them and leave immediately. 200 thousand weapons disappeared mysteeriously from US control, where do you think they went? The 600 k number was absolutely the BEST estimate of casualties. Do you believe the pentagon liars who "don't do body counts?" if these pentagon liars don't do body counts, how can they possibly comment on the number of casualties. The highly respected Lancet study came from
Johns Hopkins which used identical methodology to other studies which are always given credibility. No other contrary study has been publicly stated and no scientific refutation of the study has been cited by anyone.(unless you think that a drunken, cokehead president 's lying words with no factual basis is as credible as a scientific study.)
Tar-black vomit
November 23, 2007 - 00:30 ET by UnsaneTruly a sad human being. You are having such a miserable, hellish Thanksgiving that you have to bring down everyone into your private Hell. Instead of taking in a football game or enjoying time with the family...assuming you haven't completely alienated them...all you are left with is to spew tar-black vomit everywhere (h/t, Meshuggah, "I").
I don't think I have seen someone in a very long time here as motivated and animated by pure, 100% hatred as much as you are.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Unsane - what did you
November 23, 2007 - 00:35 ET by Free StinkerUnsane - what did you expect?
He can't spend his day indoctrinating the youth of our nation.
He has to vent his BDS somewhere. ;-)
Worse!
November 23, 2007 - 00:39 ET by UnsaneIndoctrinating, hell!
I have an image of a vile, angry adult who would severely beat any student to death in front of his class for showing up in a JROTC uniform.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
But he supports the troops.
November 23, 2007 - 00:54 ET by Free StinkerBut he supports the troops. All liberals do.
/Sarcasm Off
The Professor and Gilligan, sitting in a tree. . . . .
November 22, 2007 - 13:19 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsRosie is almost as despicable as our resident Professional Liar, who, when not spouting lies and disinformation here, is busy brainwashing his captive students according to his master's (NEA) dictates. Both victims of incurable BDS.
Happy Thanksgiving all.
P.S. This post has been peer reviewed and a consensus has been approved by the IPCC.
D
Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.
BDS, is that like RDS or CDS or GDS?
November 22, 2007 - 13:21 ET by professor truthI'll let a genius like you work out those acronyms
professor truth
November 22, 2007 - 14:02 ET by shawn228What is it with you and the name calling? Wouldn't it be easier getting your point across without throwing stones?
Of course not! Because he
November 22, 2007 - 14:21 ET by bretzysdudeOf course not! Because he has no point.
shawn, I agree
November 22, 2007 - 15:04 ET by professor truthI've stated this before, but the politeness here is much better than at newshounds, my leftwing anti FOX site. But, you are right. Yes, I've been a bomb thrower at times. Just like bombs have been thrown at me as well. If you are respectful of me, I'll also be respectful. That's a promise.
pt
November 22, 2007 - 17:24 ET by shawn228Thx PT, and Happy Thanksgiving to you. Now while agree maybe the evidence might have been a little exaggerated, I do not believe Dubya invaded Iraq for kicks, he truly thought they had WMD.
Bush is not my favorite politician, but at the same time he does not even come close to being a war criminal. Another thing that I take a very conservative position on is that sometimes you have to get your hands dirty to get information from terrorist.
Two things: 1)
November 22, 2007 - 13:07 ET by bretzysdudeTwo things:
1) ...Must...resist...lolcat...urge...on...the...perfessor...
2) Checked her web site just now. No link to the Newsbusters article. Guess she doesn't want to refute that she thinks saying that it front of kids was justified?
"stop blaming the left for
November 22, 2007 - 14:26 ET by ckc1227"stop blaming the left for YOUR FAILED POLICIES! This country has all
the similiarities of a fascist state because of BUSH and his criminal
accomplices like Cheney, who are traitors for exposing intelligence
officers. Isn't someone who exposes a CIA asset a traitor?"
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.......
It would be even funnier if you weren't a teacher(that is, if you really are). That part makes it rather sad. There are some parents out there who are owed a refund. With interest.
By the way, when does Bill Clinton stand trial for war crimes? He didn't get permission from the UN for his campaign in the Balkans either. Oh, and you do realize he was bombing Iraq all throughout his presidency, don't you? When do you and Rosie the reject stand up and call him a war criminal, and demand he stand trial for his actions?
By the way, which fascist state do we resemble the most, and when did Richard Armitage become an ally of the President?
Prof,The brainwashed (
November 22, 2007 - 15:02 ET byProf,
The brainwashed right ( from fox, limbo and his clones regurgitations) will always deny the truth. They made the mistake of voting for this "war criminal" therefore they will accept Rove's rewriting of the neoconservative history or make the worst administration in history look good.
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons
Montana, the corporate media has been a pro war cheerleader
November 22, 2007 - 15:10 ET by professor truthmost poeple trust cable news to be honest with them, a big mistake. I only blame conservatives who fail to read alternate sources and consider the motives behind those who give them the news. GE owns MBC and is a major weapons provider. They have every reason to foment more wars, or at least not prevent them. That's why the overwhelming number of pre Iraq war pundits were military analysts
or pro war pundits or pro war experts who mainly disagreed on the tactics and the timing of the war. Look at the insane cheerleading for war with Iran.
Tantrum
November 23, 2007 - 00:36 ET by UnsaneNoel's right. You are the screaming baby in the supermarket.
Corporate media? Cheerleading for war with Iran? On what planet?
Keep throwing that tantrum...all because the government has better things to do than be your personal nanny and babysitter.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
"He also stated in one of
November 22, 2007 - 15:17 ET by ckc1227"He also stated in one of his presidential pre war addresses that "we
don't want the final proof to be in the form of a mushroom cloud."
And? With the belief that Sadaam was pursuing nuclear weapons and other WMD, what should he have said?
"The downing street memo stated the "facts were fixed around the policy." Nobody has refuted this memo credibly."
That's because BDS prevents you from recognizing any credible
explanation. The author himself could tell you he made it up, and it
still wouldn't be enough for you. Perhaps you could enlighten us as to
why several other documents written in conjunction with the "Downing
Street Memo" fret over Sadaam potentially using WMD against Kuwait, or
Israel. If they were "fixing" the intelligence, why would they be
concerned about WMD they knew didn't exist?
Furthermore, knowing they didn't exist, don't you think they would have
the foresight to at least plant a few WMD caches throughout the country
to cover their ass? Wait, no, Bush is too stupid to do that. Smart
enough to convince the world Iraq had WMD BEFORE HE EVEN CAME INTO
OFFICE, but not smart enough to cover his butt, lol.
And, when you get the time, maybe you could do a little research into what the British mean when they use the word "fix".
"The 600 k number was absolutely the BEST estimate of casualties."
Being unable to distinguish "telling a lie" from "being wrong", I'm not
surprised you suffer the same ignorance when it comes to distinguishing
between the words "best" and "favorite". It's not the best estimate,
it's the one you like the most. The 600,000 number is a joke.
Basic math proves how ridiculous the number is. And, to top it off,
your beloved UN doesn't even agree with the number.
Sheesh, the freakin' turkey I had for lunch today had more brains
than you. That's why you hide in a profession you aren't qualified for:
Because life in the real world would have YOU for lunch.
ckc1227
November 22, 2007 - 15:33 ET by professor truthwhere is there any evidence that the Lancet numbers are wrong?? There is no credible studies that refute these numbers. There is strong evidence that the pentagon are a bunch of liars: Fact 1: Pat Tillman's death was covered up by the pentagon and all relevent facts are still being covered up. Facft2: The Jessica Lynch story was a complete lie. Stop defending liars.
That does it. This is
November 23, 2007 - 08:42 ET by bretzysdudeThat does it.
This is you, Truther:
WER IZ THAR ANY EVIDENCE DAT TEH LANCET NUMBERS R WRONG?? THAR IZ NO CREDIBLE STUDIEZ DAT REFUTE THEES NUMBERS. THAR IZ STRONG EVIDENCE DAT TEH PENTAGON R BUNCH OV LIARS: FACT 1: PAT TILLMANZ DEATH WUZ COVERD UP BY TEH PENTAGON AN ALL RELEVENT FACTS R STILL BEAN COVERD UP. FACFT2: TEH JESICA LYNCH STORY WUZ COMPLETE LIE. STOP DEFENDIN LIARS.
You have no proof or evidence that even they are telling the truth. How do you know they weren't bought out? Because I'll bet you anything the media was using smear tactics about the war, not being the "pro-war activists" that you seriously think they are. Grow up.
The Lancet study is flawed and dishonest.
November 22, 2007 - 20:49 ET by bbbossThe 600,000 number flunks the common sense test. As Tim Blair points out in his excellent blog , 600,000 is more dead than all the Germans killed by allied bombing during World War II. It is ten times the number killed at Hiroshima. As he could have also pointed out, it is more casualties than Iraq suffered in eight years of war with Iran. (Tim Blair Blog...with some excellent points)
The Lancet study was flawed from the getgo....not enough study points. And a very low number of interviews....not to mention they did the study in one single population group. Even a high school kid in a senior stats class wouldn't get away with what these guys did. This study was discredited before it started....yet the lefties can't let these numbers go....reason? get in the way of the truth...and we certainly can't have that.
Professor
November 22, 2007 - 23:43 ET by mikejProfessor Truther:
"This country has all the similiarities of a fascist state because of BUSH and his criminal accomplices like Cheney, who are traitors for exposing intelligence officers. "
Could you please explain the similarities in the facist state under Bush and how it remotely compares with any other dictatorship anywhere in the history of the world?
You lose all creditibilty when you start spouting Nazi, facists, neo-con etc, especially after a story about someone, or in Rosie's case SOMETHING, insulting and calling for the President to be tried as a War Criminal. If this were a true "facist state" as you and the other dolts claim, then everyone who said something bad about the President would be in prison or dead.
Bush is supressing free speech in this facist police state soooooo much that:
I can call him any name I want and still live
Go to broadway musicals dreaming of assanating him and still live
Attend any number of movies, award shows, TV shows, and anything else that is broadcast over the airwaves that calls for his removal or ridicules he and his family, and still live.
Say pretty much anything I want about whomever I want, expect a liberal or Global Warming being a hoax, and still live.
That's a pretty pathetic police state wouldn't you say?
Rosie the 3rd String Antichrist : Despiser of Good Men
November 23, 2007 - 00:19 ET by gideonmjamesJude 1:8-13 New American Version
(8) Likewise also these liberal nutjobs spew out their unreasoning hatred, despise just government, and speak evil of God, the Bible, and honorable men.
(9) Yet Michael the archangel, even when contending with the devil about the body of Moses, did not bring against him a baseless accusation, but said, "The Lord rebuke thee!"
(10) But these sociopathic liberals speak evil of those things which they understand not : only what they know carnally, as brute beasts. In their resentments and hatreds they corrupt themselves.
(11) Woe unto them! For they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the calumniations of Korah.
(12) These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear. Clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
(13) Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.
Rosie O'Donnell and the Raging Left have never been so aptly, so precisely, and so thoroughly described.
2 Timothy 3:2-4 KJV
(2) For men [AND women] shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers [accusationists and defamers], disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
(3) Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent [unable to control their emotions], fierce, despisers of those that are good,
(4) Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Rosie O'Donnell is the first person I've ever noticed that personifies every single one of these 18 points.