CNN Stocked Audience and Controlled Thursday's Debate Questions

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There's a great deal of controversy brewing concerning implications that CNN not only stocked the audience at Thursday's Democrat Presidential debate, but also controlled the questions attendees asked.

So much for Wolf Blitzer not caving into pressure from the Clinton campaign.

*****Update: It looks like all six "undecided voters" set up to ask questions at the debate were plants. More at end of post!

One of the most delicious incidents from the debate was reported Friday by Marc Ambinder at the Atlantic magazine blog (emphasis added (h/t Allah at Hot Air):

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Maria Luisa, the UNLV student who asked Hillary Clinton whether she preferred "diamonds or pearls" at last night's debate wrote on her MySpace page this morning that CNN forced her to ask the frilly question instead of a pre-approved query about the Yucca Mountain nuclear waste repository.

"Every single question asked during the debate by the audience had to be approved by CNN," Luisa writes. "I was asked to submit questions including "lighthearted/fun" questions. I submitted more than five questions on issues important to me. I did a policy memo on Yucca Mountain a year ago and was the finalist for the Truman Scholarship. For sure, I thought I would get to ask the Yucca question that was APPROVED by CNN days in advance."

Luisa wrote at MySpace:

CNN ran out of time and used me to "close" the debate with the pearls/diamonds question. Seconds later this girl comes up to me and says, "you gave our school a bad reputation.' Well, I had to explain to her that every question from the audience was pre-planned and censored. That's what the media does. See, the media chose what they wanted, not what the people or audience really wanted.

Fascinating. Yet, this story gets more delicious, for according to CNN's transcript of the debate, Luisa's real name is Maria Parra Sandoval (video of her question to Clinton available here):

BLITZER: Thank you, Governor.

Suzanne, go ahead.

Maria, would you stand please? Give us your full name.

MARIA PARRA SANDOVAL (ph): Maria Parra-Sandoval (ph), and I'm a UNLV student. And my question is for Senator Clinton.

This is a fun question for you. Do you prefer diamonds or pearls?

A reader at Dan Riehl's Riehl World View accurately pointed out that Parra-Sandoval used to be an intern for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nevada).

Yet, that wasn't the only planted audience member/questioner Thursday evening. As also reported by Riehl (h/t Glenn Reynolds and Allah):

Okay, forgive me if there are two LaShannon Spencers here. But ... from last night:

LaShannon Spencer, who was identified as a member of the First African Methodist Church, asked the question near the top of the 10 pm Eastern hour. She highlighted how health care and the Iraq war had, in her view, dominated the questions during past debates.

Would that be the same LaShannon Spencer who is, or at least was the political director of the Democrat Party of Arkansas? She certainly didn't sound too undecided back in 2003 - though I suppose she could be an undecided voter as billed by CNN.

Lashannon Spencer, political director for the Arkansas Democratic Party, commented on her favorite part of Clinton's book.

"How she describes actually meeting Bill ... I enjoyed how they were both willing to put their lives on hold so each one of them fulfilled their dreams," Spencer said.

Allah captured the above photo of her from the debate, and linked to an August 8, 2003, New York Times article about Spencer with the following picture:

See a resemblance? Those interested should note Spencer's Democrat fundraising totals here and here.

Another plant was Khalid Khan as Eric at Classical Values reported (h/t Allah):

From the CNN transcript:

MALVEAUX: Our next questions is -- Khalid Khan, if you would please stand for a moment. You and I spoke very briefly, and you said you have some concerns about racial profiling.

KHALID KHAN: Yes, I do. I am an American citizen and have been profiled all the time at the airport. Since 9/11, hundreds of thousands of Americans have been profiled. And, you know, it is like a harassment.

KHAN: My question is that -- our civil liberties have been taken away from us. What are you going to do to protect Americans from this kind of harassment?

[...]

OK, I have no way of knowing the extent to which Mr. Khan has been subjected to profiling. But he is not an ordinary citizen. For years he has been a prominent Muslim leader -- the president of the Islamic Society of Nevada, who has hosted conferences like this one (which included the controversial Muzzamil Siddiqi), and the first sentence in a piece in the LA Times described him as "a stalwart among Las Vegas Muslims."

Nor, as it turns out, is Khalid Khan a stranger to CNN. From the transcript of a show last year called "keeping the faith in Sin City -- a surprising look at how Muslims manage to live and work under the glitz, greed and sex in Las Vegas.":

ZAHN: Our special hour tonight continues with a "Top Story" out of Las Vegas, where Muslim prayer rugs and the Las Vegas Strip collide, and collide in a big way.

Islam forbids Vegas standbys, like gambling, alcohol and strip shows. Yet, 14,000 Muslims live and work in Vegas. So, how do they all get along?

Let's turn to Ted Rowlands, who joins us from Vegas tonight. And he has the latest details for us.

[...]

ROWLANDS: The president of the Islamic Society here estimates, there are 14,000 Muslims living in Las Vegas, trying to follow the stringent rules of Islam in Sin City.

KHALID KHAN, PRESIDENT, ISLAMIC SOCIETY: It is a challenge to them. It is a challenge, that they see all these temptation around them, and, still, they just ignore them.

Add it all up, and CNN stocked the questionning members of the audience with -- at the very least, as who knows what else the blogosphere will identify?!? -- a former intern for Sen. Reid, a former head of the Arkansas Democrat Party, and a prominent Muslim leader.

Honestly, folks, the Democrats made a huge stink about not appearing in any debate sponsored by Fox News for fear of its biases. Yet, it seems a metaphysical certitude that FNC, with all the focus upon it, wouldn't have dared exhibit such obvious partiality.

In fact, just imagine the uproar that would have emanated from press members if Fox had employed such shenanigans. This likely would have been the lead story of all three broadcast network news programs Friday, as well as featured every hour on the hour at CNN and MSNBC.

Of course, maybe this explains why the Democrats refused the FNC debates in the first place, which would be an interesting story for a news magazine like "60 Minutes," "Dateline," or "20/20" if they weren't all vested in the same hypocrisy.

Liberal media bias? What liberal media bias?

As an aside, I want to congratulate and applaud the work of the bloggers mentioned in this report. As much as the legacy media disingenuously position themselves as advocates of the people and free speech, the new media continue to be the only ones demonstrating democratic principles our Founding Fathers would be in any way proud of.

*****Update: As Doug Ross reports here, it seems that all six of the supposed "undecided voters" set up to ask questions at Thursday's debate were plants! Will this be discussed in detail on tomorrow's political talks shows, or totally ignored?

*****Update II: Jenny Bea at The War Against Political Correctness has much more, including the following fabulous observations --

The ONLY thing that has yet to be figured out, is who made the decision to pick these specific people to be the ones delivering questions? Was it someone working for CNN? The DNC? Could it have been a collaborated effort of employees of both organizations? Who decided that those people would be called upon?

And which candidates knew ahead of time? That could be left up to conspiracy, however, one thing remains crystal clear: These people were not the average undecided democratic voters they were presented to the American people to be. These people have big backgrounds, and the proof is irrefutable. The only thing that needs to happen now is the media needs to grab onto it. But some of us bloggers already know and are working hard to get it out.

As a proud American, I feel deceived and manipulated. And you should, too. I feel that it is my duty as a citizen of a free society to get the truth- and verifiable evidence- to the public. This is not a “fire doesn’t melt steel” conspiracy. This is “Dan Rather Loses His Job for Fake Reporting”. And the bloggers did again in relentless search for what really happened. Ala Lindsay Lohan, “They weren’t my pants!!”

They lied to us. They lied to all of us. It’s not really surprising, knowing the lows they’d sink to for potential votes, but it should be awakening to the People that what we are fed by the media as “news” is in fact, not news. We are fed total BS, by some audacious person(s) making the decision of what gets reported.

How true, Jenny -- and how sad.

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.


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It's not called the Clinton

It's not called the Clinton News Network for nothing...

Yeah, let's hear it for the

Didn't Her Royal Clintoness just say this would not be tolerated???? Well, I guess she didn't know they were doing this on her behalf.....

Let's hear it for the girl who enshrined "Diamond or Pearls?"
right up there with "Boxers or Briefs?" in the "Stupid Question Hall of
Shame"!

You gotta hand it to her "handlers" and CNN...they are knocking themselves out to make HRC seem human.

The funniest thing is, even on a stupid question like that, she reflexively avoided taking a stand...she said "I like both."

LMAO!

Well, hey --

She didn't have time to take a poll.

Remember, this is the family that took a poll one summer to decide where to go on vacation.

I had a hunch something was

I had a hunch something was up when most of the boo's went to Hillary's opponents and she got most of the applause. There should be a new vernacular in political lexicon... "pulling a clinton".

She knew the audience was stacked and knew the outcome before she stepped foot on the stage. This woman leaves nothing to chance.

Planted questions... now a planted audience... and CNN was in on the whole ugly thing.

http://politicsofdes...

Planted questions... now a


Planted questions... now a planted audience... and CNN was in on the whole ugly thing.

This is outrageous. I'm curious...has anyone seen or heard anything about this on TV or in the "Mainstream" media today?

I hope it at least turns up on a couple of the Sunday talking heads shows.

They should not be allowed to get away with this.

I'm Shocked!

Hey, this is par for the course for "THE most trusted name in news". After all, they shilled for Saddam Hussein too.

The Marine

Yesterday Leon siad that the crowd could not have known that the Marine who was given the standing o was a critic of the war. It was after that ovation that his stance came out. BS They his knew position all along. The whole question/answer session, I don't dare call it a debate, was  a sham!

Southern by birth, Tarheel by the grace of God!

For sure!

I looked at my husband a few times during the "questions".  One woman closed her eyes and was trying real hard to remember the prepared script.  Random questions?  Riiiiiiiiight.

during the "questions"

many on the NB chat were remarking on the need for teleprompters for the impromptu "audience participation"

 “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”   -Chief Justice John Roberts

I agree...if this was as

I agree...if this was as staged as it appears to have been, it wasn't a debate, it was a show.

 

"All the world's a stage

"All the world's a stage and we are merely players"

 “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”   -Chief Justice John Roberts

Well, it's time she got "the

Well, it's time she got the "hook."

"Manchurian Candidate"?

This is a real, and hard core attempt at the "Manchurian Candidate".

Hope they haven't figured out how to rig the election as well. This is a sorry state of affairs.

 

"Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astonish the rest". Mark Twain

Democrats Find Their Voice

That's the headline of today's NYT Editorial: Democrats Find Their Voice

Hey, Jay Leno, since your writers are on strike, here's a free one:

Democrats find their voice. Yeah, unfortunately his name is Wolf Blitzer.

 

Joseph Goebbels, Stalin,

Joseph Goebbels, Stalin, Mao, and all there like must be smiling all day long from whatever hell they reside in. This is so blatently dishonest, I really cannot quantify it. WOW!

A huge Bravo Zulu to everyone who dug this up. You Rock!

"When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat"         R. Reagan

17 year old play from the

17 year old play from the Clinton playbook. 1992 presidential debate. It was being billed as GHW Bush was going to step up the attcks on Clinton and draw blood. That time ABC was doing the staging for the debate with Carol, "Let's ask the education president" Simpson and the planted ponytail guy. The moment Bush raised the heat on Clinton the dope with the ponytail claims "We are your children, we have our needs. What will you do to take care of us-to take care of our needs?" Basically stopping Bush 41 in his tracks.

 Too bad Bush didn't say, "Cut your hair, try getting up before 11am, get a respectable job, and take some responsibility for your life. The president of the United States is not your daddy."

Ah, yes, "Ponytail guy"!!

Ah, yes, "Ponytail guy"!! Rush Limbaugh still talks about him. LOL!

He has become the poster-boy of the "I refuse to grow up!" wing of the Democrat party.

 

 

Ok folks some more stuff of

Ok folks some more stuff of interest

Ok I could provide all the links, but the info is popping up all over the blogs as this issue is being fisked out.

The Muslim gentleman is the PRESIDENT of the Islamic Society of Nevada

The Diamond Girl

She is a naturalized citizen who was illegally brought into the country at age 6 from Mexico by her mother.

She was an intern for Harry Reid.

She is a member of the UNLV campus group supporting the Dream Act.


As to the lady from the union

She was a union official that Obama must have known because the
transcript shows that fact was not revealed in her introduction but was
noted by Obama in his response.

More is being revealed each hour on the net and CNN needs to address
why they allowed all this to go on since they should have fact checked
their advance placed audience members at least as well as TNR did
Beauchamp.

 

Maria

(whatever her last name is today) is the latest dupe of the liberal MSM.  At least she is smarter than Cindy and caught on.

 “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”   -Chief Justice John Roberts

CNN can dispense with all

CNN can dispense with all pretense of objectivity now.  Planted questioners, trained seal audience responding to an applause meter and "celebrities" facing soft, puff-inquiries from a sycophantic host.  The only difference between this performance and the Oprah show is that Hillary didn't have the opportunity to jump on the couch.  Who produced this show, Ron Popeil?

Ron Popeil?????

Ron Popeil????? LMAO! That just cracked me up!

CNN can dispense with all pretense of objectivity now.

True....no wonder the Clinton camp said Blitzer was "outstanding"!

 

But, wait!  There's more!

But, wait!  There's more!

What could top this?

COVERS!!! (for all of Hils gaffs)

 “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”   -Chief Justice John Roberts

Just set it, and forget it,

"Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astonish the rest". Mark Twain

Fragile Hillary

Once again, we have to ask ... why does the Clinton campaign go to such extraordinary measures to make sure that Hillary doesn't face any real confrontation?

It's more clear with every shenanigan. They're terrified that a real confrontation will implode her.

We have to start -- right now -- to demand that Hillary won't be shielded in any debates after her nomination. No pre-planned questions. No Clinton cronies in the audience cheering at pre-planned times. When her opponent criticizes her, neither she nor the moderator will be allowed to label it as mud-slinging.

Make her face the music.

KC while i must agree

They're terrified that a real confrontation will implode her.

i believe their real concern is explode and not implode.  As in Hillary going off with her 'alledged' explosive temper. 

 “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”   -Chief Justice John Roberts

You may be right

Who knows? Many people think Hillary has secret ambitions of implementing the Feminist Reich, but she holds these back from the public because if revealed, it would wreck her chances of implementing it. So, if she got mad enough, she wouldn't be able to keep her mouth shut, and she'd spill the beans.

To be honest, I don't think that. I think just the opposite. I don't think Hillary has a secret agenda. There's nothing behind her campaign. Her campaign, like her husband's presidency, isn't about any specific policy. It's about her. She can skip from one policy to another because she really isn't loyal to any of them. Like her husband, she masters policy details, but policies are just the means to the end, not the end itself.

Teddy Kennedy once said that his family pursued two goals: politics and success. He got politics from his mother and the drive to succeed from his father. That's revealing. History has shown that people love the Kennedys when they pursue the compassion that Rose taught them; but they hate the Kennedys when they resort to the win-at-any-cost attitude of "Old Joe." Ambition must serve compassion. When ambition serves compassion, it's honorable. Without compassion, ambition is just violence in another form.

That's why people react so strongly to Hillary. She has all the ambition, but she doesn't have the compassion. There's nothing beneath the outer shell to keep her from collapsing. So, when the shell collapses, which way will the blast go? Who knows? I think she'll be left with nothing, which is sad.

Gotta disagree, KC. I

Gotta disagree, KC. I think she knows if her real agenda leaked out, she would be finished, and that's why she's so controlled and scripted. Every once in a while, the mask slips, and something sneaks out... wanting to "take" the profits from the oil companies, the "we're all in it together society" and "we're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" (from each according to his means, to each according to his needs..?).

The woman is scary.

I think what's behind her campaign is a quest for power.

She is that, for sure

"The woman is scary."

Yes, she is. Her campaign takes money from the Chinese Communist government, Saudi Arabia, George Soros (a convicted felon in France) and other unsavory interests who are not people you would trust to walk your dog around the block. Why are they bribing her? What has she promised them if elected? The Clintons have been for sale to the highest bidder for a very long time, so accepting dirty money is not a new endeavor for them. We need an honest journalist to expose this great adventure of the Clintons before it's too late.

You might be right

Who knows, MB? You might be right.

However, think of the contrast between Ronald Reagan and Hillary. Reagan came to office to enact a conservative agenda. Everyone knew what he wanted to do about taxes, social issues, and how to oppose communism. He had an identifiable list of things he wanted to do, and that's why he wanted to be president. I don't recall many people thinking that Reagan was trying to become president because of his ego, and that conservatism was just his meal ticket.  

What's going to be the Hillary Doctrine of foreign policy? She ain't got one. What's her theory behind monetary policy or taxes? She ain't got one. She has policy positions on the topics, but she has no theory. Reagan's conservatism was a broad theory of what government ought to be. What's Hillary's broad theory of government? She ain't got one. Maybe she is trying to start socialism or the Feminist Reich, but I'm not so sure.

I hope we don't have to find out.

Egads!...KC, you mean no

Egads!...KC, you mean no more "staged" GWB-style media events?

Actually, I couldn't agree more.

Jer

Go Back a Few Years

As for staged debates with plants and fixed questions, Walter Mondale did the same thing when he was running in 1984.

As for "staged" GWB-style media events, it may interest you to know that President Bill Clinton staged 4, count them, 4, US Navy Aircraft Carrier photo ops as President, as well as one on a Guided Missile Cruiser. That's 4 times as many aircraft carrier landings as the evil Bush did.

 

Del...I think we can all

Del...I think we can all agree that every President has staged photo ops practically since the invention of the camera.  The only real significance of the Bush aircraft carrier production was the "Mission Accomplished" banner issue.

By the way, I like Bush...mediocre President, good man, definitely not "evil".

Jer

 

correct Jer

and that banner was for the Carrier which was returning home after completing it's mission (like i say context is king)

 “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”   -Chief Justice John Roberts

I hate that whole incident

I hate that whole incident with the banner.

But didn't Bush have an "impromptu" Q&A with military members once? 

Bal , What are You actually

Bal , What are You actually Trying to get At ?

Are You trying , yet again to make a statement without actually saying some thing of substance ? Not that it would be a first .

Carrier Photo Ops

I was on that carrier for 9 days. I was there as a cameraman for one of the three nets. I was able to experience life on that carrier, learn from the men and women who did their jobs and honored their country...it was an amazing experience. What people seem to forget or just not know, that the USS Abe Lincoln was the longest deployed carrier at a single time, on their way home only to be turned around to fight more battles in the Gulf, the "Mission Accomplished" banner had alot more to do with the service of the ship (and all the armed forces)than Bush's agenda...hanging it up on the command deck during the speech was a good way to honor the ship, but a bit premature from a photo op standpoint.

As has been said before

The navy does that.As a navy brat I saw banners when my dads ship came in.Considering they had finished their tour I couldnt see a reason not to put up Mission Accomplished.They did what they were assigned to do.Maybe it has changed since the 60s.I know one thing journalist dont know jack about military except for small minority of them.Reminds me when a reporter described the main gun of a tank as a 15 mm...if they dont have a Janes book and a Stars and Stripes in their hand they're wrong. 

 

opps missed botg's post. 

well

always good to have confirmation

 “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”   -Chief Justice John Roberts

It has been along time ago

That is just the way it was done then.They also would let family come aboard and have cake and drinks.I may be the only person to get sea sick on a docked ship.Knew then and there the Navy wasnt a career choice.

still happens

in fact a friend of mines ex is in the Navy, when she was coming home the two kids were flown out to the ship and spent two days on board until they docked.  This was three years ago

 “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”   -Chief Justice John Roberts

That is good

I know they have the internet and all that now but still it can be hard on family and servicemember going thru the long periods of seperation.

Botg

IIRC, they used to call that a "Tiger Cruise"...perhaps one of our Navy friends here might confirm that.   Families on board inboard or outbound (i.e. to Hawaii). 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Tiger cruise

sounds familiar

 “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”   -Chief Justice John Roberts

May have changed over the

May have changed over the years but we always called them a dependents cruise if it was a day ride from home port to take families and friends out for a jaunt. We didn't have a real specific term for inbound riders of family for the last day or two on the return to home port after deployment.

The term Tiger Cruise may have been doubled up on, but the older version I am more familiar with is where a bunch of very senior enlisted Reserver types come on board along with tech reps from manufactures in the mix for an underway period to give technical assistance to ship's force from their years of experience.

In fact the group was referred to as a Tiger Team that they would put together.

The whole idea is to put the best and the brightest among the crew to pass on years of accumulated experience with troubleshooting and how stuff would have failure modes you needed to keep an eye open for and generally let you pick their brains for a couple of weeks and have them work with you standing watches to sharpen you skills as well as while doing maintenace and also providing several classroom lecture presentations with Q&A sessions that were very helpful.

Not the usual boring PC stuff that crammed up the days and must do meetings to check off on periodic requirement listings.

Sometimes Tiger Teams were

Sometimes Tiger Teams were task specific to get things done.

For example once we had a Diesel Generator that needed a rebuild between shipyard overhauls.

Well a Tiger Team dropped in during a pierside upkeep period after deployment standown and it was senior enlisted diesel guys along with a couple of reps from the diesel manufacturer and a couple of more senior guys from a Naval Shipyard (even though we had a local one..these guys were from the yard that had designed the class I was on and had prime contractor links).

Also the parts shipment came along with them.

They totally tore down, refurbished and rebuilt the diesel in place and certified it via pierside testing and at sea trials and saved the whole mess of having to put the ship into drydock or transit to a shipyard other than our local one to have the overhaul done.

Quicker , easier and also great for training ship's force and keeping the reserve guys skills fresh.

 

thanks right2

: )

 “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”   -Chief Justice John Roberts

That's also what my

That's also what my grandfather told me.

Quo usque tandem abutere, Catilina, patientia nostra? Quam diu etiam furor iste tuus nos eludet?

Framing the message

Well, I don't mind candidates trying to promote themselves in the best possible light. Nothing wrong with that. I find those events extremely boring, but if they want to have them, that's OK. I take it you find them boring also, and I agree.

But when it comes time to face the issues squarely, take the control away from the candidates and keep everyone else quiet. Force the candidates to speak on their own, with no consultants or spin machine. Don't let them label every challenge as "mud" and then avoid the criticism. Respect the voters enough to be real.

Oh, you mean the "staged"

Oh, you mean the "staged" GWB-style media events where President Bush receives an endless series of puff-piece softball questions from a bunch of Administration "apologists" like David Gregory, Terry Moran and Helen Thomas?

And you don't mean to

And you don't mean to suggest Democrats aren't asked tough questions at Presidential news conferences, do you?

But Helen Thomas...geez, what's the mandatory retirement age for the Washington press corps?  112?

Jer

I seem to recall the press

I seem to recall the press more or less circled the wagons around the Clinton Administration and still does.  The media scrutiny that Bill Clinton received while in office wasn't even in the same ballpark as the constant abuse directed at George W. Bush.  And much of the coverage dedicated to the various Clinton scandals was turned outwards by the press...Paula Jones, Linda Tripp, Kathleen Willey, the House Managers.  And their breathtaking bias wasn't just in what they covered and how they covered it...it was in what they didn't cover.  Travelgate, Pardongate, Whitewater, the Rose Law Firm billing records, the fraudulent ties to the Chinese, Terry McAuliffe...Hugh Rodham.  This media will look under any rock to report something unflattering about the Bush Administration...no matter how specious.  The perception that the Clinton Administration was a success is largely mythical...concocted by the Administration itself and trumpeted by largely favorable press.

By the way, yes, it does seem that the press corp is getting a little long in the tooth.  I think they had a post recently that joked that Helen Thomas was Harry Truman's mistress.

fitzy

i'm looking forward to Rove's appointment to chief moderator of 'Meet the Press' as soon as the administration is changed.

 “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”   -Chief Justice John Roberts

The press did circle the wagons, fitz...

The press did circle the wagons, fitz...but I guess you left the room after that.  They threw off the canvas covers of the Conestogas and opened up on the surrounded  Clintons with Gatling guns hidden in the rear.

Sally Quinn squealed with delight shouting sou-eey, you "Arkansas hicks" [Quinn's description of how the media elites thought of the Clintons] while editor-in-chief of the NYT, Howell Raines, whose hatred of Bill Clinton was palpable and regularly diplayed on the Times editorial page, was observed repeatedly diving into a mosh pit hastily formed by a clearly delirious Washington press corps.  It was the best he'd felt since the Times had launched that ridiculous Whitewater investigative wild goose chase in '92.

fitz, you should have been there.  I'll tell you more later.

Jer

 

Jer, I will be interested

Jer,

I will be interested in hearing, as Paul Harvey might say, the rest of the story.

But I disagree that the Whitewater investigation was a "ridiculous...wild goose chase".  It was an investigation into criminal activity that was prolonged due to constant stonewalling by the Administration.  And we're stuck watching Mark Geragos crawl out of his hole every so often as a result.

CNN went in the tank so far

CNN went in the tank so far on this one they even lost Eric Alterman on this one.

http://mediamatters....

I'm going to do my Nation column this
week about last night's debate, but
one thing I found particularly offensive, aside from
the atrocious questioning, was, from
the standpoint of sitting in the audience, the
way CNN producers purposely ginned up the crowd to cheer over and
over, as if they
were pom-pommed cheerleaders at a high school pep
rally. This is a ridiculously immature manner in which to conduct an alleged debate on the nation's future, but
it also interfered with
the debate itself, as a bunch of rowdies in the
crowd felt empowered to shout over the
candidates' answers. Overall, it
was an abysmal performance, but
I'll have more ordered thoughts later in the week. I thought Joe Biden "won"
the debate by the
way, not that it matters... The loser was Wolf Blitzer.
Oh and I withdraw my congratulations to Newsweek for
its new columnist hires. Mike
Gerson already has a gig there. How
many enablers of an administration that purposely misleads the
country and attacks the
fundamental building blocks of democracy, freedom of expression, and freedom of the press is too many? I would have said
one, but two, fer
sure...

Dang!

But I'll be curious to see what he actually puts in his column, assuming he sobers up by then.

Alterman

Usually I ignore Eric unless he's writing about something he knows about-like music. He went off the deep end way back in 2000, when he complained about Republican "thugs" trying to prevent the Democrats from fixing the vote count in Florida by moving the ballot counting to a back room out of the view of election observers.

As it later turned out, those "thugs" looked like Red Green's nephew Harold (for you non-PBS people, try "Revenge of the Nerds") 

But if even Eric is now upset about this CNN thing it must have been really bad (I didn't see the debate spectacle myself).

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Well, that tears it.  If even Alterman couldn't stomach the proceedings, CNN botched it big time.

(And an excellent commentary by him, also.)

Talk About Planted Questions!!

Don't forget about Catherine Jackson who asked a question about Iran and whose son served three tours in Iraq.

CATHERINE JACKSON, November 2007:"My son was in Iraq three times,"said Catherine Jackson of Las Vegas. "I thank God he's home now. Enough is enough. We need to bring our troops home."

CATHERINE JACKSON, May 2007:"My son was in Iraq three times," said Catherine Jackson of Las Vegas. "I thank God he's home now. Enough is enough. We need to bring our troops home."

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Down the block, a similarly sized
group of counter-demonstrators gathered. The local anti-war activists
and veterans said they supported Reid.

"My son was in Iraq three times," said Catherine Jackson of Las Vegas. "I thank God he's home now. Enough is enough. We need to bring our troops home."

I Don't Get It

Doesn't CNN know that every person, word, look is going to be scrutinized by all of the bloggers, etc. just waiting for these things?  Who do they think they're fooling?

CNN doesn't care, capav

It's a numbers game.  They know the vast majority of their target audience will only hear the pro-Hillary sound bites, the applause and the reviews of how great she was.  

Only a very small amount of what we post here will reach the liberals, the RINOs, and the soft-center "Independents."

Great job

I summarized all four CNN plants along with some additional data culled from various blogs.

CNN's reputation fell from the rim of the toilet, right into the bowl and is now swirling.

 

I Second...

or is it third or four or fifth by now Noel's kudos to the New Media blogisphere:

As an aside, I want to congratulate and applaud the work of the bloggers mentioned in this report. As much as the legacy media disingenuously position themselves as advocates of the people and free speech, the new media continue to be the only ones demonstrating democratic principles our Founding Fathers would be in any way proud of.

I continue to be amazed at the disingenuousness of the liberal (old) media with it's blatantly biased actions. We can only hope that enough people realize just what is going on and reject the old media and the political candidates whom they support.

Just my $0.02

Mr. Sheppard, ain't the

Mr. Sheppard, ain't the internet a wonderous thing?

No rock left unturned!

 

Shrub

Shrub,

Please call me Noel. :-)

Yes, the Internet is a wonderous thing. Maybe too wonderous. When's the last time your service went out, or you had a computer malfunction, and your life crumbled before your eyes?

Darned marvelous invention, but extraordinarily addictive. And, my business is now dependent upon it. So, any break in service, or minor computer issue -- like these laptop power cords which begin shorting our after about 12 months!!! -- and I'm literally SOL.

Wonderous? Definitely. Scary? You betcha. :-) ns

 

Noel

Obviously this is a disingenuous thing to do. But I would assume that all debate questions are pretty well-orchestrated? Or am I wrong?

As usual, you're

As usual, you're wrong.

You can bet CNN will never give Hillary anything approaching the treatment Michael Dukakis received in 1988.  Remember that opening question from Bernard Shaw?  They've learned to save an ambush like that for the Republicans.  Meanwhile, Hillary will get the deferential treatment she always gets.  She may as well be appearing on the Ellen DeGeneres show for all the "tough" questions she'll receive.

I'm not talking about 1988.

I'm not talking about 1988. I'm asking about now. 

I answered about now.  Were

I answered about now.  Were you dropped on your head as a child?