
An interesting discussion occurred on CNN's "Reliable Sources" Sunday when host Howard Kurtz raised the issue of MSNBC intentionally moving to the left politically, as well as its failed attempt to hire Rosie O'Donnell.
Maybe most shocking was conservative radio talk show host Michael Medved saying of the recent events at MSNBC, "I think it shows that they're getting smart."
Coming in a close second was Jennifer Pozner of Women in Media and News stating with a straight face "the majority of the people who host shows on MSNBC are either centrists or conservative," and that Keith Olbermann "is a liberal host, but he doesn't necessarily promote liberal candidates or promote liberal projects."
Deliciously, that might not have been the most absurd statement from Pozner this day (partial transcript follows with emphasis added for your entertainment pleasure):
HOWARD KURTZ, HOST: Let me turn now to news this week involving MSNBC, which got into serious negotiations with Rosie O'Donnell to make her the host of a prime-time show. It fell apart at the last minute over money, as well as over whether O'Donnell would make more than a one-year commitment. MSNBC wanted two years.
Let me show you a little bit on this question that kind of sparked a debate about whether or not MSNBC is moving to the left. Let me show you a little bit of what you get in prime-time MSNBC, followed by Rosie O'Donnell on her blog, a video of her talking about the deal that fell apart.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) DAN ABRAMS, MSNBC: President Bush claiming that many have forgotten the "lessons of 9/11." Translation: If you don't agree with any and every part of the administration's anti-terror policy, then you are one of them.
KEITH OLBERMANN, MSNBC: The presidency of George W. Bush has now devolved into a criminal conspiracy to cover the ass of George W. Bush.
ROSIE O'DONNELL, FMR. TALK SHOW HOST: I'm not quite sure that a pundit would have been the best thing for me. But who knows? I was willing to maybe try it, but just as well.
And, hey, Keith Olbermann -- the best new show on TV. If you're only going to watch one, watch that guy.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KURTZ: Michael Medved, what does it say to you that MSNBC decided to try to go aggressively after Rosie O'Donnell and where it's positioning itself?
MICHAEL MEDVED, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: I think it shows that they're getting smart. I mean, they had tried in the past going to the extreme right. They had a show with Michael Savage. They had a show with Alan Keyes.
Look, this makes sense. It makes sense if you're going to have three major news networks. You have FOX news on the right, you have MSNBC on the left, and it leaves you guys at CNN to be in the middle, which is a good position for you.
I think it's terrific. As someone who is on right myself, I don't think that this pretense of fair and balanced is really good for the public.
What is good for the public is very clearly delineated points of view which gives people a free choice and the opportunity to go from one to the other and to know what you're getting. So I happen to think it's a positive development.
KURTZ: Well, it gives me some pause in terms of a news network positioning itself as being part of one ideology. I know these are prime-time shows, therefore they are opinion shows.
But Jennifer Pozner, you know, Chris Matthews, he was also hard on the Clintons during impeachment, but he has been tough on the Bush administration. So has Dan Abrams, so has Keith Olbermann.
Rosie would have fit right in.
JENNIFER POZNER, WOMEN IN MEDIA AND NEWS: You know what? I have to say, having done commentary on FOX News a number of times and having done Joe Scarborough's show on MSNBC, I've always had a tougher time from Scarborough. He struck me as the single-most conservative host of any show I've ever done, and I've been on "O'Reilly" and I've been on "Hannity & Colmes."
KURTZ: But what's wrong with that. It's Scarborough's...
POZNER: No, no, no. It's...
KURTZ: Hold it. It's Scarborough's job to be opinionated.
POZNER: Right. Right. Right.
KURTZ: He's a former Republican congressman.
POZNER: Yes. But when I'm saying is it's disingenuous to say MSNBC is tilting left when the majority of the people who host shows on MSNBC are either centrists or conservative.
Olbermann is a liberal host, but he doesn't necessarily promote liberal candidates or promote liberal projects. The one single show that was hosted by an actual person who called himself a leftist and had liberal and progressive guests and such was Phil Donahue's show, and it was cancelled in the run-up to the Iraq war...
KURTZ: Right, exactly.
POZNER: ... because they said from a memo from the top down they didn't want to provide an antiwar face for MSNBC.
KURTZ: OK. I've got to cut in here.
POZNER: It's about money. It's not about ideology.
KURTZ: I've got to cut in here. I want to get to Ray Richmond.
Look, Rosie O'Donnell, very liberal, very controversial. She propounds these conspiracy theories about 9/11, but she also is highly entertaining.
RAY RICHMOND, "THE HOLLYWOOD REPORTER": Yes. The whole idea of, oh, mercy, a news network showing a political ideology -- oh, let's head for the hills. It's sort of like everybody does at one time or another, all of the networks. And I don't even think MSNBC was that serious about hiring her, if you want to know the truth.
I think -- I think they wanted the publicity and marketing reverberations of that. And look at this, we are talking about her on CNN. So it worked.
KURTZ: How about that?
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.















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"is a liberal host, but he
November 11, 2007 - 15:13 ET by SMGalbraith"is a liberal host, but he doesn't necessarily promote liberal candidates or promote liberal projects."
So, calling for the impeachment and arrest of Bush and Cheney doesn't count?
And calling the Republican Party the "biggest terrorist group in the country" also can be disregarded?
What exactly does Olbermann have to advocate for it to be labeled "promoting" liberal causes or candidates?
At some point, reality has to enter this discussion.
SMG
How out of touch is Medved
November 11, 2007 - 15:25 ET by Lame CherryWith Joe Lieberman stating the DNC is hostage to the kook left, how on earth can Medved state it is a good idea for LEFTIST MSNBC moving into the realm of Kim of North Korea and Ahmadinejad of Iran.
Medved is out of touch in reality as much as this nut Pozner. It might be her wet dream to froth over in MSNBC reflecting the Khmer Rouge, but how is murderous anarchy ever good for America or any nation. This equates to wanting America to be like Pakistan with kook Muslims raising hell there and Bhuto calling for more chaos so she thinks she can gain power.
Medved also could not see any North American Union and yet the people behind it and Vincente Fox confirmed it after Medved called others crazy for saying there was a plan for it.
I like Mr. Medved for his patriotic love of America, but he has been so goofy as of late in now joining in that MSNBC is "centrist" when it is leftist and now hammering hard to be Stalin central.
There is nothing smart about that and Medved from his heritage in being a Jew should know that as the first people this ilk will call out to be rid of is him..........as these are the ilk who called for the death of GOP and Cheney.
Medved needs to get in touch.
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Lame Cherry, Sorry, you
November 11, 2007 - 15:29 ET by msh1973Lame Cherry,
Sorry, you and I made the same point. You must have been posting the same time I was. :)
What planet is Medved on,
November 11, 2007 - 15:27 ET by msh1973What planet is Medved on, anyway? He is the same guy who said that all those that opposed the Super highway from Mexico to Canada were crazy. Perhaps sites like Townhall.com should re-evaluate their use of Medved...he doesn't sound like any "conservative" I know.
Medved has been a movie
November 11, 2007 - 17:15 ET by mattmMedved has been a movie critic and has been sort of a media insider, rubbing shoulders with Leftists his whole life. I think absorbed some of their poison. This happens to Republican politicians and other media people... Conservatives should where a body condom whenever they hang around Libs...
You know, I'm reading this
November 11, 2007 - 15:58 ET by motherbeltYou know, I'm reading this conversation among these people and I'm thinking I don't even know what to say about stuff like this. Fox is conservative, MSNBC will take the liberal side and CNN in the middle?
I must be the one that's out of sync. I cannot believe these people are talking about "News" channels being conservative and liberal. I realize that liberals think Fox is conservative, and conservatives see CNN and MSNBC as liberal, but usually news channels claim to be, or at least make some attempt at being non-partisan. These guys are actually talking about tilting the ideology of MSNBC (as if that hasn't happened already) more to the left. Can you imagine the uproar if FNC decided they needed to be less "fair and balanced" and tilt more conservatively?
And Medved's gem: I don't think that this pretense of fair and balanced is really good for the public.
This is just mind-boggling.
Michael Medved must be off his meds. Way off.
November 11, 2007 - 15:55 ET by Dave RCNN in the middle? Jeez, now I have heard it all.
I do love this, though:
ROSIE O'DONNELL, FMR. TALK SHOW HOST
For the good of humanity, let's all hope it stays that way.
Another poster here...
November 11, 2007 - 16:44 ET by heldmywat Newsbusters postulated that her show might have been called "The Spew", or "Lardball"...
Wish I'd thoughta that!
A COUPLE THINGS...
November 11, 2007 - 16:06 ET by danybhoyI agree with Medved actually, why should'nt MSNBC go hard left? At least they could be honest & say that's where the network has always been. They have been trying to sell themselves as something other then a liberal/progressive operation, & the people know that's crap. MSNBC might as well just make it official & say they are what we know they are, we always laugh at media types who claim they are straight news people when we know they are lefty hacks, so who cares if MSNBC comes out & says they are lefties? Their ratings will suck either way, so it does'nt matter, because they don't matter.
"Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise" Mark Levin
Medved and objectivity
November 11, 2007 - 23:50 ET by UnsaneIn other countries, various media outlets do not even bother to conceal their biases, and this has always been the case. "Objectivity" is a foreign concept to various European newspapers, for example. That's why I wonder if we would ALL be better off if MSNBC dropped the illusion of objectivity and just went out and publicly proclaimed what we all know to be true: that they are a mouthpiece for the extreme left.
But, to Medved's point that CNN could be a voice of the center? That's a laugh! Maybe this is why he hasn't been a guest host of the Limbaugh program in quite awhile (since I am an infrequent listener of Limbaugh, do correct me if I am wrong there).
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Medved: "You have FOX news
November 11, 2007 - 16:33 ET by TEMedved: "You have FOX news on the right, you have MSNBC on the left, and it leaves you guys at CNN to be in the middle, which is a good position for you."
"[I]t leaves you guys at CNN to be in the middle, which is a good position for you"? ROTFLMAO! Kurtz is such a useful idiot, he just ate up that nonsense. Evidently, Medved has never watched CNN or he's merely sucking up to CNN so that they invite him back.
When I was a born...
November 11, 2007 - 16:57 ET by heldmywa half-century ago, police, teachers and the military were respected as they helped shape and protect society.
20 years later, by the end of the Viet Nam War, the pendulum had swung VERY far left. Police were called "pigs", teacher were radicalized and socially indoctrinated, and the military were spat upon and called "baby killers".
Now, the pendulum has begun to swing back. Police, firemen, soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen, are smiled at more than hissed, teachers are routinely being called to account for radical left behavior... and the News Media has no idea where 'center' is!
In their self-reinforcing world, it's still 1977, and they ARE the center! Anything to the right is obviously 'fascist' or Nazi (heard that lately?)
It could very well be that these hothouse flowers are convinced that the world is static, their worldview is perfect and unchangeing and it is we, the uncooperative public who are at fault for our transgressions.
Well MSM, prepare to be dragged, kicking and screaming into a whole new world! It's coming, and coming faster than a lot of you will be able to adapt to. Hence the over-the-top rhetoric, foul language, and hyteria.
Not to worry though, the dull ones are so mired in the tarpits, they will eventually exhaust themselves and succumb. A few of the smarter ones will adapt.
I just don't understand why it is such a surprise...?
0.02
November 11, 2007 - 23:55 ET by UnsaneOne problem is that police truly, deeply believe that WE work for THEM, not the other way around. I have no doubt there are professionals in PDs around the nation, but there are too many who believe that they are God because someone gave them a gun and a badge.
And teachers? Well, they believe themselves to be 100% above any criticism whatsoever, and can't understand why we aren't treating them like multimillionaires and bowing to them daily for doing such a horrible job of educating our children.
Just my 0.02.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
In a way, Medved is right.
November 11, 2007 - 18:06 ET by fitzfongIn a way, Medved is right. MSNBC is a big loser, and desperation requires that the network do something to stand out...to attract more viewers. Ideologically, MSNBC is no different than CNN...it's just that MSNBC has become Charles Rangel to CNN's Clintons, both are in favor of the same regressive policies, it's just that CNN and the Clintons hide it (and get away with hiding it) better than MSNBC and Rangel do. MSNBC is calculating that there is a market for unabashed left-wing notjobs that CNN is not covering completely. So MSNBC will be the home to that market. They claim to be "the fastest growing network" in cable news...in other words, their ratings are virtually a statistical zero, so each new pair of eyeballs has a significant statistical impact on the network's ratings. If you have one viewer, the addition of a second viewer is a 100% increase...that's fast growth. Olbermann's show has realized significant growth over the last few months, but he's still getting clobbered by O'Reilly. I don't know where Medved gets the idea that CNN is "in the middle" unless he means between socialism and communism.
Pozner
November 11, 2007 - 20:03 ET by Jerry MackThe truth here is that Pozner believes every thing that she said. Would not be a surprise to me that she thinks NBs are nazis.
I listened to Medved's
November 11, 2007 - 23:05 ET by jpm100I listened to Medved's radio show for a while. He started to get on my nerves. If anyone is a complete shill for the Republican Leadership (not Republicans), its Medved.
When I say Republican Leadership, I mean the same people who are the pro-illegal immigration, big government, chase the middle Republicans.
These Republicans see Conservatism as nothing more than a legacy philosophy that costs them votes. As such they work almost as much to malign all people who push Conservatism as extremists or eccentrics from within the party itself.
They've successfully convinced many we must have a centrist candidate for President in order to win and anyone asking for anything else is throwing away the election.