Karl Rove Gets Cursed Out for Discussing Netroots Vulgarity

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Oh the exquisitely delicious irony.

On Thursday, Karl Rove gave a speech about politics and the Internet at the Willard Intercontinental Hotel, and, as reported by the Washington Times, commented about the frequent incidence of vulgarity at liberal blogs:

Mr. Rove cited the results of a study that found that writers and commenters on liberal blogs such as DailyKos.com cursed far more than writers and commenters on conservative Web sites such as FreeRepublic.com.

"My point is not that liberals swear publicly more often than conservatives. That may be true, but that's not my point," Mr. Rove said. "It is that the netroots often argue from anger rather than reason, and too often, their object is personal release, not political persuasion."

Our friend at Gateway Pundit observed this hysterical albeit predictable Netroots response (vulgarity present after the break, h/t Glenn Reynolds):

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In response, Karl Rove got cussed out by the nutroots. [...]

Here's a fine example:
"F*ck the f*cking f*ckers."
(asterics [sic] mine)

You really can't make this stuff up. In fact, this was Markos Moulitsas's response (asterisks mine in all the following):

"Bad words" like this?

We will f**k him. Do you hear me? We will f**k him. We will ruin him. Like no one has ever f**ked him!

Now, if you click that link inside the word "this," it sends you to Atrios's blog:

I love civility lessons from Mr. "We will f**k him. Do you hear me? We will f**k him. We will ruin him. Like no one has ever f**ked him!"

Now, click the link inside "civility lessons from Mr." and you are sent to Think Progress:

UPDATE II: Atrios highlights one of Rove's oh-so-civil quotes: "We will f**k him. Do you hear me? We will f**k him. We will ruin him. Like no one has ever f**ked him!"

Now, click that link inside "We will f**k him," and you end up back at Atrios's blog.

As such, Moulitsas, Think Progress, and Atrios all referenced a vulgarity-laden rant supposedly made by Karl Rove by actually citing each other and without ever presenting evidence that Rove said such a thing.

Dontcha love it?

Of course, proving Rove's point were the comments sections to these posts as evidenced here, here, and here (reader is cautioned about the voluminous amounts of vulgarity present).

On a personal note, I could have warned Rove about what happens when you talk about Netroots vulgarity.

D'oh!

*****Update: It turns out the link to Rove's supposed vulgarities was in the "Mr." in Atrios's "civility lessons from Mr." line. It's an article by Ron Suskind (h/t NBer ChenZhen).

*****Update II: Our dear friend at Whiskey Fire didn't disappoint us, and further proved Rove's point. In his post about my link faux pas addressed in the first update, he used three vulgarities. Honestly folks, you can't make this stuff up!

*****Update III: For those that either haven't found the hidden link in question or taken the time to look at it, the following is the context surrounding Rove's supposed vulgar rant chronicled by Suskind in a January 2003 Esquire article (emphasis added):

Eventually, I met with Rove. I arrived at his office a few minutes early, just in time to witness the Rove Treatment, which, like LBJ’s famous browbeating style, is becoming legend but is seldom reported. Rove’s assistant, Susan Ralston, said he’d be just a minute. She’s very nice, witty and polite. Over her shoulder was a small back room where a few young men were toiling away. I squeezed into a chair near the open door to Rove’s modest chamber, my back against his doorframe.

Inside, Rove was talking to an aide about some political stratagem in some state that had gone awry and a political operative who had displeased him. I paid it no mind and reviewed a jotted list of questions I hoped to ask. But after a moment, it was like ignoring a tornado flinging parked cars. "We will fuck him. Do you hear me? We will fuck him. We will ruin him. Like no one has ever fucked him!" As a reporter, you get around—curse words, anger, passionate intensity are not notable events—but the ferocity, the bellicosity, the violent imputations were, well, shocking. This went on without a break for a minute or two. Then the aide slipped out looking a bit ashen, and Rove, his face ruddy from the exertions of the past few moments, looked at me and smiled a gentle, Clarence-the-Angel smile. "Come on in." And I did. And we had the most amiable chat for a half hour.

Earlier in the piece, Suskind mentioned that his White House interviews took place between February and April 2002. As such, he heard a private conversation between Rove and an aide about a political operative seven to nine months before the midterm elections. Suskind had no idea what this operative in question had done, or what had transpired before he began eavesdropping.

As a result, we have no idea what sent Rove into this rage, and what had occurred before Suskind walked into that office. Yet, the folks in the Netroots view this as analogous to what they write at publicly accessible blogs and comments sections on virtually a daily basis.

Excuse me, but there's a difference. A huge one. When you write an article, or even a message at a blog, you've got as much time as you want to formulate your thoughts so as to offer a logical and coherent presentation. In fact, you have an unlimited opportunity to collect yourself so as not to allow anger to dominate the message.

But, this isn't always the case in work situations or many personal encounters, is it? Quite the contrary, people say all kinds of things in the heat of passion, including vulgarities, which they likely wouldn't if they had time to calm down and think things through. This is especially the case if many people will conceivably be witness to what is said.

Sadly, it seems the Netroots don't possess such self-control, and, as a result, their writing is filled with the same anger-filled utterances unfortunately present in many heated discussions with friends, colleagues, loved ones, and, apparently, White House staffers.

Luckily, as Rove pointed out, conservatives seem more capable of restraining such base emotions when it's necessary. In fact, according to Suskind, moments after Rove's vulgarity-laden tirade, he "looked at [Suskind] and smiled a gentle, Clarence-the-Angel smile. 'Come on in.' And [Suskind] did. And [they] had the most amiable chat for a half hour."

Of course, if the best the elite members of the Netroots can do to counter Rove's assertions about the differences in discourse at conservative and liberal blogs is point to a private discussion the former White House adviser had with an aide more than 5 1/2 years ago, maybe it's understandable that vulgarity is so prevalent in their writing.

If I had so little control over my emotions, and such poor deductive reasoning skills, I'd probably include a plethora of expletives in my articles, too.

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.


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Lefty Nutroots...

Just a pack of poopyheads.

Well, when you're vocabulary

Well, when you're vocabulary is limited, it becomes necessary to resort to vulgarity like that to make the point.

My Grandmother always told me

Profanity is the feeble-mindeds' way of expressing themselves with force. She was so right.

Paging Mr. Rove

Having been cursed, sworn at and spit on, I often wonder how Mr. Rove never blows his cork and unleashes as I have had smarmy 18 year olds tell me they would end my life just insult me to the point I respond. Of course those are cronic needlers who make a jolly lifetime out of ticking people off and not the goofs of the liberal blogs, but all the same Karl Rove is quite amazing as is Ann Coulter.

I do though consider calling someone an ass is not being vulgar when they fit the definition, but the mindless sex references really loose a great deal of adjective appeal when they are 3 variations in row.
Unless the sex reference is an appeal to have sex with Karl Rove from Kos, but that is maybe Rove's secret in that appeal just makes one shiver in disgust.

 

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Kinda like

the Jihadis protesting when soemone points out how violent they are by goin' out and killin' a buncha folks.

Wotta crack up.

Happy Trails...

Teach Your Children Well

 I can remember getting into a discussion with my kids about the, infamous "F" word, and I basically told them that, people that use this word, aren't very intelligent so they use it in place of many words.  It's sort of like flag burning, most people that burn flags don't have the vocabulary to express themselves, any other way so the flag fits the bill. 

 Most of use know that liberals, being devoid of solutions, can't win a debate, so language, such as this, is the only way they can express themselves. 

Mr. Rove would have served his cause much better, had he expressed those thoughts and called on the Democrats to debate the issues, rather than demogogue them.

Democrats: Specializing in "high tech lynching" since 1987.

Don't Forget

" I can remember getting into a discussion with my kids about the, infamous "F" word, and I basically told them that, people that use this word, aren't very intelligent so they use it in place of many words"

Gee, that would explain why Al Gore won over 80 percent of the high school dropout vote in 2000.

Let's see.  Democrats want

Let's see.  Democrats want felons to vote, younger ages to vote, illegal immigrants to vote, no ID's required to vote, etc, etc, etc.  Interesting, huh?

I think Rove is way off on

I think Rove is way off on this one.  I've posted some things at Air America.  Everyone is always very cordial.  For instance, here's an example and a very typical scenario.....

One discussion started with a topic about Republicans wanting to split electoral votes of California.  The article mentions something along the lines of Republicans are once again looking to rig things to bring more votes their way.  My response simply asked "you mean like the rigging attempt in 2004 by California Democrats who wanted to allow 14 and 16 year olds to vote and proposed a bill to that effect?"....to which the response began with a very cordial and intellectual "F$#* you," and the rest of the response maintained the same theme.  So I don't know what Rove is talking about...LOL

GregE

I pop in on occasion to your garden-variety left blogs, or comments on liberal articles... like DailyKos, HuffPo... oh, and YouTube comments on "cool" Jon Stewart clips when he's doing another smug Bush/Cheney joke... and it's 90% out-and-out gutter-mouth language.

 

"MY end justifies THAT mean." - Shakespeare (not really)

Yea, and probably same as

Yea, and probably same as me, you can only stay on those blogs for so long before having to move.  I personally can only take so much from Americans concerned only with blaming America for the world's woes.  It's boring after awhile.  Oh yea, and anyone with a hangnail blaming Bush for it.

Having to Move?

Try "having to move your bowels".

If you really want to see how the "tolerant progressive blogs" behave, go back a few weeks to see how they treated the news that White House Press Secretary Tony Snow, who has colon cancer, was leaving his job. It was sad.

I didn't see any of the

I didn't see any of the discussions on that but yes, I can imagine.  They're just so "tolerant" ya know.

Some Examples...

Here are a few quotes from a Daily Kos thread that actually started out expressing support for Snow and then went downhill from there:

"Tony Snow and all the other petty minions of this abysmal thieves-band of fascists, corporatists, moneygrubbers and sadists will have no more than single line entries in the wikipedia of the future...towards the bottom...perhaps in footnotes. How/when he dies? Grist for the mill."

"If only people who deserved cancer got cancer Rove would've never survived"

"One: What if this is a pure fake? Two: What if the man was in some way poisoned by someone in the Regime, in a manner analogous to the way Putin has apparently poisoned some people who opposed him or "knew too much"..?"

"How far would Snow go in cahoots with Rove to falsify his condition in order to help create an additional smoke screen to the Iran attack buildup that is taking place in the Gulf. Is he that much of a loyalist hack? It's too bad these people have given us all the reason in the world to consider these possibilities of them. Like I said earlier, what does Tony Snow want his legacy to be? "

"Look at how positive Mrs. Edwards is approaching her cancer. Now think about how much negativity surrounds Snow."

"Tony Snow could just walk away from his job as the Mouth of Sauron, but he won't. He's made his choice and, while I'm not in any way rejoicing over his illness, I won't shed a tear for him."

"I'm not happy or pleased or gloating over Snow's illness. But I can't say I feel sympathy for him, either. People like him could have done good in their lives; instead, he chose and chooses to be the mouthpiece for one even more evil than himself. Just because Tony is ill doesn't mean he should be absolved, or treated as though he hasn't been standing up there and lying through his teeth."

"There are people in the world that I wish no evil to, but for whom I can't manage to manufacture any sympathy for when their going gets tough. I feel as detached about Tony Snow's situation as he does about the troops who are going to [continue to] suffer as a result of this godforsaken escalation in Iraq. They're an abstraction to him; he's an abstraction to me. And it's not that I don't have the ability to feel sympathy. I do. But I do not have an unlimited supply, and there is a whole world full of people who need it more."

"I wouldn't wish cancer on Snow, even though I wish he were never born. But now that he's got it, maybe the reality of mortality will help him find a conscience."

"I simply can not feel any sympathy for Snow. Tony is a mouthpiece and apologist for a President who has spread a cancer in America. It is not outside the realm of possibility that Bush's cancer will overspread our beloved country. I have no positive feelings toward a man (Snow) who aids and abets the most evil man (Bush) ever to hold the Presidency of our nation."

"not only has the President 'spread a cancer in America' in a metaphysical way - he has cut funding for cancer research for the past five years (well, maybe there was a tiny increase some years but they did not meet inflation and the number of research projects has been going down). There has got to be some poetic justice in here somewheres . . . ."

"Doesn't change the fact he is an enabler of mass murder. I've had cancer, it sucks. So what? It's part of life and Tony Snow doesn't get a pass from me. Would we all be saying the same positive thoughts if deadeye Dick had a heart attack and was in ICU. No. I'd be wishing for a long, lingering painful death. Then I'd want to piss on his grave."

"bad things happen to evil men, I see it as retribution. Cancer is a fact of life, 1 in 3 women, 1 in 4 men. I would like to see Katie Couric ask those "tough" questions to Snow about this."

"But lets recall that Tony Snow has intimately aligned himself with people in this country who ACTUALLY believe that AIDS is retribution, that 9/11 was retribution, that liberals who get ill are suffering righteous retribution."

"Tony Snow is a piece of shit and I have little sympathy for the man. He is not the first person to have cancer nor the last. Many great men and women have died from cancer, and if that is his fate, he won't be on the list. As far as seeing it as retribution, I don't believe in a god so don't misconstrue my comments to mean that I think god spited Tony Snow. Simply, I think what goes around comes around."

"One of my best friends took time off from Umass-Amherst to serve in Iraq and died there because of scumbags like Bush and Tony Snow. I shed no tears for evil men, I shed tears for those who have died at the hands of evil men."

"We Are All Human, but Tony Snow has chosen to devote his life to pimping for people who think very little of you and your children, who finds nothing in his heart at all for the hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis who've been victimized by his boss. Please remember that this man would like to SEND YOUR CHILD to Iraq to kill INNOCENT IRAQI CHILDREN for the benefit of republican bigwigs and contractors. I'm sorry, he is not a good man. I have friends and family who believe the hateful things that Snow believes, and I'm having difficulty dealing with it. But in the final analysis they're not up there lying to further this perverted agenda, and taking blood money for it. Tony Snow has sold his soul."

" wish Snow well...BUT... ...I wish him a Damascus Road experience and time enough to tell the world how much he regrets his time at Faux News and his time as Minister of Propaganda for Dubya"

"I have no prayers going out to this guy. Tony's just another lying motherfucker hell-bent on destroying my country and my future. I have always felt sorry for his kids, though. Even before I knew about the cancer thing. Shouldn't he step down now and do the "more time with family thing"...and just go away?"

"I feel the same about Tony as I do about the guys who robbed my pizza store 3 weeks ago"

"on one level, I feel for him and his family at this difficult time. I'd hate to face that kind of progressively dibbilitating illness. However, I can't help but think that he signed on with the White House because he accepted all the views they hold... Iraq, Katrina, attorneygate. I cannot get past those lies and galactic incompetence."

And those are just from ONE THREAD.

Yep, those comments read

Yep, those comments read like much of Air America's forums. Typical whacko liberals.  I know many liberals, and most wouldn't say crap like that.  But for the whackos, anyone who isn't part of their religion (and liberalism is their religion) is someone they wish death and hurt on.  Similar to how al Qaeda and other Islamic radicals view their religion.

Actually,

 

As such, Moulitsas, Think Progress, and Atrios all referenced a vulgarity-laden rant supposedly made by Karl Rove by actually citing each other and without ever presenting evidence that Rove said such a thing.

 

Actually, Atrios linked to the source of Rove's rant here.

CZ

CZ,

Thanks for catching that. See the update. This is why I avoid multiple links in the same sentence without a break between them. Too easy to miss. ns

This just validates a view

This just validates a view I've held for years: If you have to curse to make a point, you don't have one.

www.rhjunior.com/CC/ Great comics with a hefty dose of Christian and anti-nutjob goodness.

"With your mind as high as Mt. Fuji you can see all things clearly. And you can see all the forces that shape events; not just the things near to you." -Miyamoto Musashi

Shakespearean

Shakespearean

November 10, 2007 - 21:26

November 10, 2007 - 21:26 ET by ChenZhen

 

As such, Moulitsas, Think Progress, and Atrios all referenced a vulgarity-laden rant supposedly made by Karl Rove by actually citing each other and without ever presenting evidence that Rove said such a thing.

 

 

Actually, Atrios linked to the source of Rove's rant here.

Hahahaha.  A militant, kook fringe leftist conspiracy theorist named Ron Suskind alleges, with no evidence, that "Karl Rove" said something, and Suskind's like-minded useful idiots swallow it whole and consider Suskind's unsubstantiated allegation to be "evidence".  ROTFLMAO!

Understated

"It is that the netroots often argue from anger rather than reason, and too often, their object is personal release, not political persuasion."

This is a gross understatement.  Libs rarely if ever argue from reason because their belief system is unsupported by facts and logic.  Their reaction to Rove's mild remark proves it. 

The Left is constantly trying to get people to believe the sky is purple and grass is orange, and when people don't buy it, they snap.

I'm wondering what counts as vulgarity these days...

For example, does the word "balls" -- in a bravery rather than a testicular context -- count as a swear-word? Compared to most of this stuff, "balls" seems kinda mild for "profanity." I was just discussing this question elsewhere the other day, so I'd be interested in any opinions from here.
JMR

Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul.

The level of

The level of discourse.

Another good reason to stick with NewsBusters.

D

Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.

Better Get Used to It

That's the world Hill and Bill are bringing us!  It's a vulgar world with no morals or civility.  Government rules!  Speech codes only apply to conservative thought!  But vulgarity, abortion and socialism rule!  THAT's what we are heaed for full speed ahead!

I'd refer to my Rocky

I'd refer to my Rocky Mountain Collegian Case with the admonishment for McSwine for printing the F word, but we've already exhausted that story here. I work for the Ram Republic instead.

Last week it was all the rage to talk about the separation of the species from evolution many years down the road, that we'd eventually get superhumans and cave trolls or what have you. I think we know now who those cave trolls are going to be.

The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy

I'm amazed the Kos kids

I'm amazed the Kos kids haven't sent their trolls over here to prove our point! They always seem to show up in droves whenever NB publishes a headline with Rove, Coulter, or Halliburton.

The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy

The period of fall for the US?

That's the world Hill and Bill are bringing us!  It's a vulgar world with no morals or civility. 

That must be why Hillary was unimpressed during French President Sarkozy's speech to the US Congress when he said: "America’s strength is not only a material strength, it is first and foremost a spiritual and moral strength."

Not to be dismayed, Hillary and her ultra-left base continue to project a negative image to our friends in Europe.

BTW -- Thanks for posting Noel...good job.

Rove vulgarity`

So did Rove "supposedly" make this rant, now that the link has been rediscovered? Does he practice the "dark arts" that he attributes to those crazy lefties? 

There's also no mention of

There's also no mention of the fact that Rove was talking about vulgarity in public discourse, while his rant was clearly private. This is about civility, not perfection. I may cuss like a sailor in private, but I would cut my own tongue out before I did it in polite or mixed company. I consider a blog mixed company, if not always polite.

I also find it interesting that they can find one... ONE... example or Rove swearing, and that was merely overheard, so it is possibly anecdotal.

How would you describe people like that?

Would you say they have potty mouths or potty fingers? Or both?

Potty brains with a broken

Potty brains with a broken plunger. The crap doesn't leave.

The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy

Potty keyboards...

I asked the writer of an obscenity laced response to something I asked at one of these lefty sites..."Do you type e-mails to your mother with that keyboard?"   Of course the response was even more obscene.

Happy Trails...

Keyboard Toughness

I guarantee none of these lib's would have the guts to express their ilk to your face. I had a friendly discussion with a lib at a bar not to long ago, he of course mouthed off his typical democrat talking points, however, I continuously rebuked every one of his points. I could see in his eyes how bad he wanted to just explode into a tirade of curse words, however he did not have the guts to do that, unless he was behind a keyboard.

No matter how much lipstick Washington tries to slap onto this legislative pig, it’s not going to win any beauty contests." Fred Thompson

Vulgarity

 Cursing is the crutch of the conversational cripple.

Liberals feast on anger, rage and intolerance - the true bigots

Liberals, er socialists, sustain their lowly existence through anger mismanagement. Whether one is speaking of Netroots or the mental munchkins in Hollywood; they, seemingly, can only survive by a steady diet of anger and rage for those of a different political persuasion. Liberals are the biggest bigots on earth professing otherwise.