Congressman Stark’s Disgusting Rant Against President Bush Ignored By Nets

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Americans on both sides of the aisle should be bitterly angry today.

A United States Congressman stood on the floor of the House of Representatives on Thursday and said that kids are being sent "to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the president`s amusement."

As if that wasn't bad enough, the three evening news programs of America's top broadcast networks didn't feel this despicable act was important enough to share with the citizens of our nation.

Frankly, I'm not sure which should anger you more.

Here is a partial transcript of Rep. Pete Stark's (D-Cal.) abysmal statements made on the House floor on October 18, 2007, that America's leading news agencies didn't want you to see (video available here):

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The Republicans are worried that we can`t pay for insuring an additional 10 million children. They sure don`t care about finding 200 billion dollars to fight the illegal war in Iraq. Where are you going to get that money? Are you going to tell us lies like you`re telling us today? Is that how you`re going to fund the war?

You don`t have money to fund the war or children. But you`re going to spend it to blow up innocent people if we can get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the president`s amusement.

[...]

But the President Bush's statements about children's health shouldn't be taken any more seriously than his lies about the war in Iraq. The truth is that Bush just likes to blow things up in Iraq, in the United States, and in Congress.

Congressman Stark represents the 13th District of California, which is just south of where I live. Frankly, I'm so disgusted by his words that I've been crying off and on for hours since I first saw this video.

How have we gotten to such a low point in our history that elected officials feel comfortable making such statements about our president in the halls of Congress?

Sadly, I imagine our forefathers are crying with me wondering the very same thing.

Those interested in hearing more disgraceful comments from Stark should listen to this interview he did with the Bay Area's KCBS radio Thursday evening.

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.


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Unfortunately, this cement

Unfortunately, this cement head has a lifetime job stealing from taxpayers because he's in a safe district with more than enough like-minded cement heads.  Secede already, please.

You know, it's one thing to

You know, it's one thing to disagree about policy, but why is it liberals not only have to go way overboard with their rhetoric, but also make up the most outlandish lies, to sell you on their point of view?

This guy should be forceably removed from the chamber, and not allowed back in, until he passes muster with the psych ward.

Can one even grasp the amount of coverage a conservative would've gotten? They'd be interupting prime time for this!

It almost makes you miss the days when the President and this guy would duel, for the sake of defending honor. Those were the good old days, for sure!!

You know, it's one thing to

You know, it's one thing to disagree about policy, but why is it
liberals not only have to go way overboard with their rhetoric, but
also make up the most outlandish lies, to sell you on their point of
view?

This is the Democrats' stock-in-trade: Republicans are not only wrong, they're stingy, stupid, mean and evil.

I was about to make a Clinton analogy here, regarding discussing troop deployments on the phone, but I'm going to take the high road and pass it up.

Indeed. Where's Aaron Burr

Indeed. Where's Aaron Burr or Zell Miller when they're needed?

Quo usque tandem abutere, Catilina, patientia nostra? Quam diu etiam furor iste tuus nos eludet?

All the things the Dems said

This must be that dignity and end of divisiveness and partisanship the dems said must return to Washington.

*rolls eyes....into back of head*

Politicians who defeat politics

Have the Democrats hired a new consultant, who advises them to demonize every policy difference? It's happening all the time now. They frame every political disagreement as a (pardon the pun) Stark choice between saints and "meanies." See how the Democrats frame the S-CHIP issue "for the children," cynically hoping for the GOP to oppose it, precisely so they can attack the GOP as "cruel" and "mean." It's as if they suddenly discovered a new trick in the media playbook, and they're going to keep using it until it doesn't work anymore.

So why is this so bad? Why can’t we just accept it as political rhetoric?

  • No issue (that rises to the level of public consciousness) is one dimensional. Every major discussion has a good and bad side. Somebody’s ox gets gored, and usually everyone’s ox is gored to some degree. Every public policy robs a Peter to pay a Paul.

  • Because issues are multi-dimensional, political discussion is necessarily utilitarian. We have no hope of a clever solution that will resolve every interest. Instead, we haggle for the approach that maximizes benefit to the most people, and limits damage to the fewest.

    • Compromise gets harder to swallow when you demonize your opponent. Politics is about haggling, but demonizing your opponent makes haggling harder, not better.

  • Mature political decisions require that you know exactly what you’re getting into. The value of allowing free speech is that the public hears all of the possible ramifications of what every policy will entail.

  • You want that; you want everyone to know what they’re buying. Political debate depends precisely on adversarial competition to expose every pro and con. You want the various sides to highlight every good thing about their own program, and to expose every bad thing about everyone else’s plan.

    • But when you demonize others, you subvert the value of competition. Demonizing others muffles them. Instead of increasing information, you’re silencing information.

They all do it to some degree, of course, but this is an outrageous case. For the sake of vomiting his own personal bile, Stark makes politics harder. And isn’t it ridiculous for a politician to make politics harder?

Nothing THAT new here, KC

"It's as if they suddenly discovered a new trick in the media playbook, and they're going to keep using it until it doesn't work anymore."

I don't really consider this "new." The dems have been demonizing the opposition since at least the time of Reagan. And the hypocrisy of not "respecting the office," as they insisted be done during the Clinton dictatorship (whoops, did I really say that?), surprises me not one whit.

And the media's treatment, while completely shameful and TOTALLY BIASED, is no real surprise either. Maddening, but not surprising.

" Have the Democrats hired a

"
Have the Democrats hired a new consultant..." No, it's the same old Alinsky tactics they have always used. Read his book. They are just being more blatant than they used to be.

The Long March through the Institutions

It's as if they suddenly discovered a new trick in the media playbook, and they're going to keep using it until it doesn't work anymore.

Hey, KC, this is only a brief intensification of a long running strategy that needs to be brought more into the light.  That is where the "new media" and peripheral groups come into play to combat the strategies of the "hard" left.  David Horowitz has a lot of info on the connections of the radical elements that appear to be attempting a takeover of congress.  Stark is just one more stooge in the process.  Check this cut and paste job out, from Frontpage Magazine, Discover the Networks.org: A Guide to the Political Left.  There is a booklet there by James H. Hansen, that is invaluable for it's revealing the connections between many of the individuals involved in the "hard" left tilt that appears to be happening with more intensity at the moment.  (if the editors wish to cut this out, i.e. too much space, that's OK with me.  I had trouble editing it down to what I've got here!)  From the booklet "RADICAL ROAD MAPS: Uncovering the Web of Connections Among Far-Left Groups in America":

"The old institutions of Soviet power included the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU) and its leadership organizations, the Politburo and Central Committee. The former Committee for State Security (KGB)—the “action arm” of the party that carried out its directives—was supplanted by the Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR). The party institutions have been gone since 1991, but their legacies live on in the form of the techniques and tactics that they developed and perfected.  Some of the radical groups discussed here practice those same techniques and tactics or variations of them adapted to the present day...

THE LONG MARCH THROUGH THE INSTITUTIONS
This term refers to the long-term plan of Communists, radicals, and their supporters to work their way into vital establishments that shape opinions...Liberals and radicals have captured academia to a far greater extent than any of the other institutions. This control exceeds even that of their influence over the print and broadcast media.  Some former members of the Weather Underground Organization (WUO, or Weathermen) now occupy positions of authority on major campuses. Former domestic terrorists such as Bernardine Dohrn (Northwestern University) or Bill Ayers (University of Illinois at Chicago) come to mind. Besides them, there are thousands of other former activists, radicals, and far leftists who have risen to prominent positions within academia...The “march” began long before many people think, and the leftwing takeover of American universities is not a new story. As early as the 1930s Irving Kristol recalled that City College of New York (CCNY) was so radical that “if there were any Republicans at City—and there must have been some—I never met them, or even heard of their existence.”...there is an organic connection between the political bias of the university and that of the press. “It was not until journalists became routinely trained in university schools of journalism that mainstream media began to mirror the perspectives of the adversary culture"...

But it has not ended with academe.  Academe trains journalists, lawyers and lawmakers.  One thing leads to another and the grand prize is the takeover of the reigns of power without a shot being fired.  Cooking the frog slowly:

...Political groups such as MoveOn and PFAW are
headed by lawyers, and lawyers are numbered among the most notorious, vociferous, and self-important of all the Far-Left radicals: Ramsey Clark, Mark Lane, and Lynne Stewart, to name a few.  In 1946 a group of plaintiffs’ lawyers involved in workers’ compensation litigation founded the National Association of Claimants’ Compensation Attorneys (NACCA). They were devoted to securing strong representation for victims of industrial accidents, and the group soon attracted admiralty, railroad, and personal-injury lawyers. The organization soon included lawyers from all facets of trial advocacy. This group was renamed the Association of Trial Lawyers of America (ATLA) in 1972.  With its current headquarters in Washington, ATLA describes itself as a
“broad-based international coalition of attorneys, law professors, paralegals, and law students.”24 ATLA is the world’s largest trial bar, with more than fifty-six thousand members worldwide. It has a network of American and Canadian affiliates involved in diverse areas of trial advocacy.  ATLA is heavily Democratic. To illustrate its stance, in 2004 the Kerry-Edwards campaign put in place six thousand lawyers—most of whom were from ATLA—to tap every legal gimmick and Democratappointed judge in the United States to challenge and attempt to overturn the election if President Bush on reelection...

Radicals from the Far Left have infiltrated all U.S. institutions to one degree or another, but the influence of radical groups is most telling in the U.S. Congress...Ron Dellums (D-CA) was perhaps the greatest champion of radical groups to appear in Congress during the last half of the twentieth century. He endorsed the Black Panthers, addressed the World Peace Council meeting in 1970, and supported the Institute for Policy Studies (IPS) (my emphasis) in a number of ways. Dellums served from 1971 to 1999...During this era there was also a group in the Senate called the Members
of Congress for Peace Through Law (MCPL). Among others, they
included Senators George McGovern (D-SD), Ted Kennedy (D-MA), Walter Mondale (D-MN), and Philip Hart (D-MI).
It is also illuminating to see which congressmen have been backers
of the IPS over the years. In the 1970s and 1980s its staunchest supporters in the House were George Miller (D-CA), Don Edwards (D-CA), Ted Weiss (D-NY), and the ever-present John Conyers. On the Senate side, Senators Tom Harkin (D-IA), Mark Hatfield (D-OR), and John Kerry (D-MA) were dedicated partisans of the IPS...It is not always easy to tell where party loyalties fall. One example is that several members of Congress are also members of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA). These include Major Owens (D-NY), Bernie Sanders (I-VT), and Danny Davis (D-IL, who has been rumored to be a DSA member). Former Congressman Ron Dellums is also a DSA member. In any event, nearly all of the Democrats named below belong to the socialist wing of the Democratic Party. A key question is to what extent this wing has spread its influence and values to the rest of the Democratic Party.
HOW FAR TO THE LEFT?
The Progressive Caucus is made up of the most Far-Left members of Congress and best represents the socialist wing of the Democratic Party. This group shares a common belief in the “principles of social and economic justice, non-discrimination, and tolerance in America and in our relationships with other countries.” Specifically this group supports curbs on defense spending; it seeks a more progressive tax system that soaks the rich; and it is for social programs that are designed “to extend help to low and middle-income Americans in need.” The Progressive Caucus
has long been allied with the Democratic Socialists of America.  As of 2003, there were some fifty-four members, of whom eight were officers.  The current heads are Dennis Kucinich and Barbara Lee. (There is no recent data for the 109th Congress, which meets from 2005 to 2006.)...
CONGRESSIONAL AIDES AND STAFF
There are only 100 senators and 435 members of the House of Representatives.  Yet the population of Capitol Hill is about 25,000 persons.  According to data from 1993, a typical House member had 22 personal assistants, and a typical senator had 42. Currently some senators have a staff of 70 or more. This presents unlimited opportunities for ambitious people to be close to lawmakers, to help with their workload, and to influence them in a number of ways..."

Is it any wonder that it is easy to tell that these guys are often spouting lines that they have been spoon fed by sycophantic, manipulating aides?  That they really don't have a clue what is in the bills they are espousing?

 

"The future is not set.  There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."

michaelyon-online.com

Looking for an old comment thread?

KC...Stark, demonization, and Limbaugh

Well reasoned, eloquently stated observations as usual KC, and Stark's remarks are indeed sick and disgusting....but I can assure you that just as neither party has a license on the deity, neither likewise has a license on demonization. 

Limbaugh has even on occasion "elevated" this practice beyond mere implication or subtlety, as indicated by his explicit references to Tom Daschle as "El Diablo" accompanied by an assortment of "devil" comparisons.

http://www.spinsanity.org/posts/200107-3.html

Jer

 

Well, it's just as well

Well, it's just as well that Limbaugh isn't an elected official standing in the well of Congress when he calls Tom Daschle "El Diablo", isn't it?  Your attempt at moral equivalence is less than compelling, Jer. 

Without recognizing the ordinances of Heaven, it is impossible to be a superior man. - Confucious

JoeBob...it's impossible to

JoeBob...it's impossible to overemphasize how revolting I consider Stark's words, but you're not really suggesting "elected" Republicans haven't been guilty of offensive remarks directed at Democrats, are you?

Jer

Jer, you cant possibly be

Jer, you cant possibly be suggesting a democrat can be insulted, are you?

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Then identify the Republican comparison to Stark, Jer

(if you can)....rather than making the false Rush comparison.

Thanks

Thanks for the compliment, Jer.

While it is true that 'everyone does it,' how can we stop it unless we identify it when it happens? And not to pass the buck, there are plenty of liberals whining about GOP examples, so let me work on my end of the river, you know?

In my opinion, the Democrats recent practice with the whole S-CHIP was crass and cynical. Now, the moment you see any mention of 'children' in the name of some legislation, you know how they're going to spin it.

  • NASA should rename their requests for funding 'The 2007 Children's Hopes Act' and scream bloody murder when their budget is cut. Watch the senators rush to the floor to denounce how Bush is discouraging our children's dreams!

You work your side of the

You work your side of the river quite well, KC....It's just that I wish we could somehow clean up the sludge instead of merely pushing it to the other side.

The use of props and sympathetic nomenclature is, has, and will always be a 'bipartisan' endeavor in the political process.  Demonization of opponents doesn't have to be.  Unfortunately I routinely encounter comments from the left and the right on the order of "I'm tired of being nice and letting the 'other side' trash us...it's time to really take off the gloves."  We're going in the wrong direction.

Jer

Jer, That's the second

Jer,

That's the second time you've referenced, in a general way, "the right" using Stark-like tactics. I don't necessarily doubt it has happened, but can you cite an example? Not of a pundit or commentator making off-color remarks (i.e., Obermann, Limbaugh or Franken), but of a Republican Congressman going on record on the House floor with a similar diatribe.

The old "everyone does it" argument dates back to at least the Nixon era. It didn't wash then, either.

Regards,
IJ

}}---> Crickets chirping

Jer's kinda slow with the particulars sometimes.  What with him tryin to access Media Madders every time he needs to know how to feeeel.

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

Not relying on Media Matters CA,

Not relying on Media Matters CA, but maybe I'll check in with them later to have my feelings ajusted.

Jer

 

}}---> Good luck Jer

And I rushed back to your post thinking you were providing a link to Conservative Starkism.

Sorry Charlie, Starkism doesn't tuna banjo, Starkism just carps.

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

Doesn't 'tuna' banjo?...how

Doesn't 'tuna' banjo?...how about a 'bass' guitar?  I know, that was pretty crappie.

Jer

Point of order, Indiana...I

Point of order, Indiana...I thought there were House and
Senate rules prohibiting this type of verbal attack made by
Stark on the President [or against fellow members] which would result in the remarks being "taken down" and Stark subjected to a suspension of privileges.  Maybe it just applies to the Senate.  Any Congressional parliamentarians out there? 

Other than Vice-President Cheney telling Leahy to go f*** himself, which was certainly no highlight in the annals of Senate collegiality, the examples which come to mind [I believe--but will check further] occurred outside the halls of Congress, although such fact doesn't excuse the conduct.

So, a sampling of offensive remarks by elected Republicans:

--Jesse Helms warning Clintion he better not show up in North Carolina without "bodyguards"

--Dick Armey and the Barney "Fag" comment

--Gingrich accusing the Democratic Congressional leadership of being guilty of "twenty years of treason" [I believe this may have been on the House floor...I'll try to track it down]

--Mark Foley issuing a press release entitled "Foley Questions Daschle's Patriotism" wherein he claimed it appeared Daschle's "patriotism had gone the way of his [Congressional] majority"

--Tom Delay accusing Congressional Democrats with "not wanting to protect the American people"

--Tom Davis (R-VA) charging Daschle with "giving aid and comfort to the enemy"

--Joe Wilson (R-NC) on C-Span repeatedly claiming Joe Filner (D-CA) harbored a "hatred for America".  (Wilson later apologized)

Jer

 

Jer, I am nearly positive

Jer,

I am nearly positive there ARE such rules as you mention, even for the House. Seems they've merely been ignored in this case. I would guess enforcement would be up to the leadership (the Speaker, maybe?).

And, while your examples are fine instances of partisan name-calling, they don't compare in the context of my original question.

Many examples of such "offensive" remarks can be found, as you say, on BOTH the left and right. Still don't see any accusations of a Dem wishing death on our soldiers, though, and none on the Congressional record that you've mentioned so far.

Regards,
IJ

}}---> Lest we forget, Indiana

Robert Klansman Byrd's continuous shouts of "barbaric" as he found another African American to hate in Michael Vick.

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

The point of Newsbusters

For me, that's part of the appeal of this website. I like the idea of calling down the media for their shenanigans, because the media has become the conduit for all of this nonsense. In some ways, the media is our collective bulletin board, and it's being abused, and we need to identify the people who abuse it.

I know it'll never be perfect. But if I waited until the rest of the world was perfect before I started living my life, I'd have a very long wait ... so while I'm waiting for the universe to shape up, the least I can do is work on my little cubbyhole of it.

My God, I've become a hobbit!

Another dem has a moment of

Another dem has a moment of being truthful about what he really believes--yeah, need to hear more from more of them.  Stark just revealed himself (again) as the loon he is

Liberalism is a convenient lie.

Stark - Raving Mad

Stark's diatribe seems more to betray his own dismay that American Troops are successful in Iraq.  He placed a pretty big bet on our sons losing, and his silent sympathizers are frozen until today when they will speak according to the Media Matters party line.

I'm thinking there will be tepid distancing, but does it not seem strange none of the Democrats hinted Mr. Stark Raving Mad carried the message too far?

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

does it not seem strange

does it not seem strange none of the Democrats hinted Mr. Stark Raving Mad carried the message too far?

No, because they don't have to. The media are ignoring it, and they can trust them to continue to do so.

I'm sure if it ever gets brought up, the line will be that Rep. Stark is just so passionate about our kids and our soldiers.

It's time to take Grandpa back to "the home" in time for his meds....

}}---> Probably right MB

I forgot about the MSM blackout whenever Demoncrafts practice treason.

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

Congressman Vs. Rush

Tell me why the Republicans aren't just as mad at this statement as the Democrats were when Rush talked about the phony soldiers (which by the way was the truth). I bet if one did the dims would be all over their 1st ammendment rights.

}}---> Good question tater

The MSM is brilliant at pandering to beggars.

Look at Wahhabism.  The religious leaders have the purposely uneducated masses convinced the world's wealth is finite and their poverty is the result of America's gluttony.

The MSM and the Liberal manipulators tells the same story to a similarly ignorant audience.

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

Pete Stark's face would

Pete Stark's face would make a great Halloween mask.

Better yet on a punching

Better yet on a punching bag.

99... BINGO!

99...

BINGO!

Better Yet.....

Painted on the side of the cars of Homicide Bombers.  Makes a good aim point.

I know we're supposed to maintain some decorum in here, but Stark can kiss my Navy Blue Ship Riding ( * ).

 Sorry.  I feel better now.

You should feel better, and

You should feel better, and he should "kiss your Navy Blue Ship Riding ( * )." We've lost what, 10-15 million soldiers on the field of war so that this idiot can have his opinions? I've had too many ancestors and relatives fight for the U.S. military to consider his words anything less than an grave, perhaps even treasonous, insult.

Quo usque tandem abutere, Catilina, patientia nostra? Quam diu etiam furor iste tuus nos eludet?

Noel,

Didn't "Pete" Stark start off with a bank in Walnut Creek, CA, in the Bay Area? I remember, in the Seventies, it had a lighted peace symbol on the side, in opposition to the Vietnam War. You could see it from I-680. It got my dad cussing every time we passed it.

Chris

Chris,

You are correct:

In 1963, he founded Security National Bank in Walnut Creek. The bank grew from a small storefront operation to a $100 million financial institution with branches in Alameda and Contra Costa Counties. Stark sold his interest in the bank after his election to Congress.

My first bank account in CA was the SNP branch on Bancroft in Berkeley. Imagine that. ns

 

Thanks for the confirmation

Even when I was a kid, I thought it was bizarre that a bank would be counter culture. Ah, the Bay Area in the Sixties and early Seventies...

Fire him...

Typical comments from a mentally ill liberal, what else can we expect from the left. He should be fired and publically denounced by all democrats.

 Yea, like that is going to happen.

Yeah, right after Ted

Yeah, right after Ted Kennedy actually drives a girl over a bridge without deciding to go for a swim. Or, with him now, a float.

Republicans oust and denounce their scandalous people. Democrats embrace theirs.

Quo usque tandem abutere, Catilina, patientia nostra? Quam diu etiam furor iste tuus nos eludet?

Where's the MSMedia Outrage?

There is none because they agree with him!  A**holes!

 

"The future is not set.  There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."

michaelyon-online.com

nofate... Bingo!

nofate...

Bingo!