Al Gore Got a D in Natural Sciences at Harvard

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Want to know why Nobel Laureate Al Gore likely doesn't want to debate any of the myriad of scientists and politicians that have challenged him to such a tête-à-tête regarding his manmade global warming theories?

Could it possibly be because Gore was a terrible science student, and clearly never excelled at anything relating to what folks in Norway and in the media consider him to be so expert at?

The following was reported by the Washington Post on March 18, 2000 -- and conveniently ignored by media ever since Gore began lecturing the world about subjects he practically flunked as a student! -- in an article marvelously titled "Gore's Grades Belie Image of Studiousness" (h/t NBer dscott, and tangentially Greenie Watch):

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For all of Gore's later fascination with science and technology, he often struggled academically in those subjects. The political champion of the natural world received that sophomore D in Natural Sciences 6 (Man's Place in Nature) and then got a C-plus in Natural Sciences 118 his senior year.

Yet, this is the man liberals and dolts in the media are willing to bet their very lives on when it comes to complex scientific issues surrounding meteorology and climatology. On a regular basis, such folk have the nerve to suggest that Gore is more knowledgeable when it comes to these matters than scientists who have spent their entire lives studying and educating others at the finest colleges and universities around the world.

Interesting hypocrisy, wouldn't you agree?

In fact, when it comes to the more complicated sciences specifically involved in matters relating to the atmosphere and climate, Gore was practically a dunce:

When John C. Davis, a retired teacher and assistant headmaster at St. Albans, was recently shown his illustrious former pupil's college board achievement test scores, he inspected them closely with a magnifier and shook his head, chuckling quietly at the science results.

"Four eighty-eight! Terrible" Davis declared upon inspecting the future vice president's 488 score (out of a possible 800) in physics.
"Hmmmm. Chemistry. Five-nineteen. He didn't do too well in chemistry."

Think an expertise in chemistry and physics might come in handy to fully understand all the dynamics and variables involved with meteorology and climatology?

Maybe more important, should America rest its financial and economic future as it pertains to environmental policy on the shoulders of a man who demonstrated virtually no expertise in science whilst attending one of the world's finest facilities for higher learning?

And where are the media on this issue? As Gore travels around the country lecturing America about global warming, shouldn't the press point out how poorly the Nobel Laureate did in science while a college student?

Or is that asking too much?

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.


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Well, guess he proved them

Well, guess he proved them wrong, eh?

Must've been that Bush paying off all Al's professors ...

Oh, man...

Oh, man... this is just going to stress out my tweener.

 

<insert witty signature here>

There is one award that Al

There is one award that Al Gore has not received:

Ad Age Marketer of The Year.

This is the one award he richly deserves, and I sincerely mean that. Marketing is the ability to sell people on something they do not need but you are able to present a convincing argument that they must have it (i.e. The Pet Rock). In other words marketing is the ability to con people into buying something that has no real use or value.

I cannot think of a more successful pitchman than Gore and companies like Nike, Coke and others should hire him. 

Pet Rock

Hey, where do you get one of those so-called pet rocks.  They sound pretty nifty.  I could use one or two.

 <insert witty signature here>

Highest Paid

Yep! Unfortunantly people equate a persons' ability to sale or make money by selling something with intelligence. Very few people will ever admit that they made a mistake on any purchase. The person that sold it to them is a genius in their selected field. Why else would they have purchased it?

"Very few people will ever

"Very few people will ever admit that they made a mistake on any purchase."

Sounds like some of the warmers I've met.

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

Jerry... I have

Jerry...

I have temporarily gone brain-dead, please explain your post titled "Highest paid". 

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Ad: On Sale, save up to 40

Ad: On Sale, save up to 40 %

Wife: Let's go shopping, there's a sale at the mall and we'll save 40%.

Husband: You dolt, you don't save 40%, you wasted 60% from the original price on these things you don't need.

Juts like Algore selling his bogus ideas to dolts...Yep, give him the award!

HUSBAND: A person who will

HUSBAND: A person who will spend $20 for a $10 item he needs.

WIFE: A person who will spend $10 for a $20 item she doesn't need ... but it was on sale.

<quickly dons flame-retardant suit>

~~~

If you don't stand behind our troops, feel free to stand in front of them!

school

Al used a cardboard cut out at his seat while he watched soaps..., no one ever noticed.

Just Wait....

 

... it won't be long before some "esteemed" liberal will make the comparison with Einstein and the myth he failed at math. Einstein excelled in math.. unlike Gore who just sucked at science.

Plus I think old Albert

Plus I think old Albert did take more than 2 math and science courses. 

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

Al won't Run

If he ran, he'd have to defend.  He'd get smoked. Now he just has to answer silly, pre-approved questions.

 *Argue for your limitations and sure enough you will achieve them.

gore

....ummm........gee Noel, I'm gonna go with "Or is it asking too much". Final answer.

algore

Does anyone know al's IQ and hillaries,I also would like to know.

Sorry ... That data was

Sorry ...

That data was in the bunch of archive documents Sandy Burger stuffed in his underpants and later shreded ...

Hillary's IQ?

She's SO smart, the Smirking Chimpy McHalliburton conned her into voting in favor of his war.

Noel Sheppard wrote: Yet,

Noel Sheppard wrote: Yet, this is the man liberals and dolts in the media are willing to bet their very lives on when it comes to complex scientific issues surrounding meteorology and climatology. On a regular basis, such folk have the nerve to suggest that Gore is more knowledgeable when it comes to these matters than scientists who have spent their entire lives studying and educating others at the finest colleges and universities around the world.

Interesting hypocrisy, wouldn't you agree?

No, I would not agree. It's not hypocrisy, it's dishonesty and nefariousness. Hypocrisy is when you say one thing and do another, but these people are both saying and doing the dishonest in order to further a hidden agenda… the long march to socialism and eventually, their communist dream. They’ll argue with you until you are blue in the face and deny it until their death bed, but it’s an immutable fact these people want a government monopoly to tell us what we can and cannot do.

What’s worse, we are giving in to them in small incremental steps. Taking care of the poor? That’s not a job for the government. That is a job for individuals made by choice. There should be no compulsion to take care of anyone. Should we be forced to help the sick? Hell no, if we want, we should be able to let them die. Would we let them die? Would we allow the poor to suffer? I would argue that if government backed off, we would have less problems in health care and in poverty than with their bureaucratic fingers in the pie. Americans are more giving and more charitable than at any time in the past, and I believe that they will remain this way as long as we are free, but the instant that we have our freedom taken from us by the chains of socialism, ghettos and sickness and poverty in the likes we have not seen since the dark days of the Soviet Union will once again rear it’s ugly head.

____________________________________________________

"We can only reason from what is; we can reason on actualities, but not on possibilities." ~ Thomas Paine

The Hammer Man

For years I have found speaches, writings and learned statements from Gore ponderous to say the very least.  He never seemed to be verbally adroit and always came off as a third rate lecturer.  His ideas always seemed to be borrowed and dumbed down.

And now we have the answer. 

The man is as dumb as a box of hammers. 

 Only the extreme inherited wealth from Occidental Petroleum has propelled him onto the world stage. Thank God Clinton didn't die when he was in the White house.   We would have had this Doofus running the show.

 

One could make the argument

One could make the argument that he's dumbed climatology down to the point that he, a D minus science student, can now "explain" it...

He's living the American

He's living the American Dream! Where else could you have such crappy grades and still become vice president of the U.S.?

Of course, as far as we know he hasn't misspelled "potato," so that's at least one thing he's got going for him...which is nice.

As long as he has his

As long as he has his colorful charts to help him, he'll do fine...

You are correct

But ,He did in fact congratulate the Chicago Bulls,and especially Micheal Jackson on their 6th NBA Championship :)

Bal

it is only in the spin room where the "e" at the end is not a valid spelling

"Television is where you watch people in your living room that you would not want near your house."       Groucho

I don't know what that

I don't know what that means. The "e" spelling is accepted elsewhere? 

English Bal

it comes from England, the English spelling for potatoe and tomatoe has an e at the end and is acceptable as an alternate spelling.  Spelling is convention Bal and in constant flux.

"Television is where you watch people in your living room that you would not want near your house."       Groucho

Oh good grief. Really?

Oh good grief. Really? You're gonna argue that technically that doofus was right because that's how they spell it in some commie foreign country?

no Bal

i was taught that in school in the 60s in the good ol' US of A

"Television is where you watch people in your living room that you would not want near your house."       Groucho

Well, that's...unfortunate

Well, that's...unfortunate and discomforting. Still doesn't excuse Quayle.

sorry Bal

if your educators considered it only appropriate to teach by rote rather than to provide a full education and the ability to utilize critical thinking.  Now I think this weekend i'll head to the Old'e' Globe Theater.

and for no particular reason

Television is where you watch people in your living room that you would not want near your house."       Groucho

Which is what Quayle was

Which is what Quayle was using, "critical thinking." 

Spelling Nazis use spelling to determine intelligence

...which is just as shallow as using oration skills for the same purpose....but then, we're talking about liberalism....

I don't know if Quayle is

I don't know if Quayle is dumb or just easily distracted by bright, shiny objects. But to say "Oh, well, actually he was right to spell potato with an 'e'" is ludicrous. Or is it ludicrux? Ludicrii?

More shallow liberal judgmentalism

You've still used spelling as a measurement of intelligence.  How do you feel about oratory skills being indicative of intelligence?

Oratory skills CAN give you

Oratory skills CAN give you an indication. Not a complete one, as evidenced by our marble-mouthed president.

Bal, in a spelling bee, the

Bal, in a spelling bee, the judges are given lists of the words to be spelled.  On his list "potato" was spelled with an "e" on the end.  When the contestant did not spell the word as it was spelled on the list, the contestant was counted wrong.  So, if you want to bitch about the incident, you should castigate the person who provided the list, not Mr. Quayle. 

"A communist is someone who reads Marx.  An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx."  Ronald Reagan

Yeah, I believe that...

Yeah, I believe that...

Bal, I'm disappointed in

Bal, I'm disappointed in you.  I have presented facts which you can verify with but little effort.  Yet, because those facts don't agree with what you want to believe, you won't believe it.  And, here, I have held you up as an example to various trolls as a liberal who will usually argue your position in a decent manner.

My statement above is factual.  That word was spelled "potatoe" on his list.  Check with your local school as to how a spelling bee is run.

Pitiful. 

"A communist is someone who reads Marx.  An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx."  Ronald Reagan

My bad, MikeB. If you say

My bad, MikeB. If you say it's true I'll believe you. I'm in a surly mood because "someone" is being ridiculous on another thread. Still doesn't excuse Quayle going along with it, though, does it? 

Excellent point, Chris!

And may I add that due to the dumbing-down of American education in general, people just believe what they hear in the media - and teachers teach what the unions and the Democrat party dictate that they teach.  Nobody questions it if it comes from the left.

This revelation also helps explain why Obama, touted as our "genius President," refuses to allow his alma mater(s) (any of them) to release his grades or any other information from his school years.  These people are so full of cr*p!

Smokin' grades

Well, in all fairness to Algore, he did get a double smiley face grade in the 'Environmental Friendly Cooking With Organic Cannabis' course at the Stoners Institute of Higher Learning in Amsterdam.

That would explain the Goracle's paranoia about the earth burning up...not to mention his weight.

Ha Acumen, That's

Ha Acumen,

That's hilarious.

But it brings up an interesting side discussion.  Were grades meaningless back in the day?  I mean, that is a dismal report card.  Wow that's bad.  I would have brought shame upon my family with a mental trouncing like that.

However, it seems like whenever report cards come out for guys like this (i.e. people in positions of power, bush, kerry, etc. whoever) they are always horrible?  I swear, everytime I see a report card of a person in power it seems like it's horrendous.

I don't know about anyone else, but every job I've had since college has checked my transcript/GPA.  If you had a GPA like Al Gore you'd never get a reputable job in 2007, let alone have the chance to be VP. 

Internship on the Hill?  Not if you got a D.

So what's changed?  Why did everyone get such bad grades back in the day? 

 

"Take It Away, Leon!"

Back in those days, before the Democrats and the teachers' unions totally hijacked them, the teachers were actually what would today be called "disciplinarians". If someone misbehaved in their class they would call them out, or send them to the woodshed.

I actually knew fellow students from 10th grade, circa 1971 or so, who were caught, busted, and punished for cheating. In many of the cases, it was simply looking in the direction of another student during a test.

I think back then that "C"

I think back then that "C" was really an average grade, simply meaning that it's what most of the students earned. So when we note President Bush's and Senator Kerry's grades, it simply means that they met the course requirements.  I would guess that straight "A" students were quite rare back then.

An atsute observation. 

An atsute observation.  Bell curve grading was also more prevalent back then.  'A' was a grade reserved for the top 10% of students in a class.  If you took 4 classes in a semester, assuming a random distribution of grades, the liklihood any student got straight A's was about 1 in 10,000.  In practice, the same student who got an A in physics was also quite likey to have gotten an A in Mathematics, and so on.  So Straight A students weren't all that rare.  by the same token, straight D students like this dolt, Al Gore, weren't  unusual either.

Harvard & grade inflation

Said astute observation neglected to include the fact that HARVARD has an infamous reputation for grade inflation- 90% of undergraduates graduate with a " w/ HONORS" or higher designation. You must really be a "bag of smashed a**holes" to earn a D at Harvard University.

Interesting.   As it

Interesting.   As it happens, Harvard was one of the specific Universities I had in mind.    In the 1960's, its standards were higher than you cite here.  I must confess that the situation you describe is today the norm in that institution as well.   Things have changed in the intervening years and some might say they have changed greatly in the area of grade point inflation.

Back when I got my BA

Back when I got my BA (When we wrote in cuneiform)4.0 averages or 3.0 if you were on the old 3. system.. got special notice at graduation. My graduating class had over 1,000. I think there were 3 or 4. 

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

Who you know, not WHAT you know

When it comes to people like AlGore, it's all about WHO you know, not WHAT you know.  His father was rich and powerful, so Little Al knew all he basically had to do was show up - and not even that at times - and he would be permitted to graduate from prestigious schools.

And as far as grades being lower then, there has been considerable grade inflation in ALL schools since AlGore was in school.  After all, we now have to teach to the lowest common denominator, and grade in such a way that the lowest student passes each year.  Children aren't any smarter these days; school is dumber.

Of course, as I read this I am also reminded of all the claims the Clintons made about "graduating at the top of their class in law school," at a law school that graded on a strict pass/fail system.  So I guess everyone who passed, graduated at the "top" of the class. 

The Real Al Gore

Excellent post Noel, I have been saying this for some time. Just to note that D he got in Natural Sciences 6 was called ironically "Man's Place in Nature"

"I decided I just had to call because you've printed a picture of the Earth upside down" - Al Gore, Wasington Times, 1998

Al Gore only has a B.A. in Government (no higher degree achieved, no science degrees)
The Education of Al Gore (The Washington Times)

QUOTE (The Washington Times)

"Mr. Gore's high school performance on the college board achievement tests
in physics (488 out of 800 "terrible," St. Albans retired teacher and
assistant headmaster John Davis told The Post) and chemistry (519 out
of 800 "He didn't do too well in chemistry," Mr. Davis observed) suggests that Mr. Gore would have trouble with science for the rest of his life. At Harvard and Vanderbilt, Mr. Gore continued bumbling along.

As a Harvard sophomore, scholar Al "earned" a D in Natural Sciences 6 in a
course presciently named "Man's Place in Nature." That was the year he
evidently spent more time smoking cannabis than studying its place
among other plants within the ecosystem. His senior year, Mr. Gore
received a C+ in Natural Sciences 118.

At Vanderbilt divinity school, Mr. Gore took a course in theology and natural science. The
assigned readings included the apocalyptic, and widely discredited
"Limits to Growth," which formed much of the foundation for "Earth in
the Balance." It is said that Mr. Gore failed to hand in his book
report on time. Thus, his incomplete grade turned into an F, one of
five Fs Mr. Gore received at divinity school, which may well be a
worldwide record."


Gore Deserves Nobel Prize for Propaganda (CNSNews)
Gore's guru disagreed (Financial Post, Canada)
The Gore Lies (National Review Online)

Hypocrite:
Hannity's America - Al Gore and Global Warming (Video) (10min)
Hannity's America - Al Gore's Gulfstream (Video) (7min)
Al Gore, Environmentalist and Zinc Miner (The Wall Street Journal)
Al Gore's Inconvenient Toxic Waste Dump (NewsMax)
Al Gore, polluter? (WorldNetDaily)
Al Gore Refuses to Take Personal Energy Ethics Pledge (US Senate Environment & Public Works Committee)
Bush's Ranch House 'Far More Eco-Friendly' Than Gore's (CNSNews)
- George W. Bush's eco-friendly ranch compared to Al Gore's energy-expending mansion = True (Snopes)
Eco-warrior Al Gore serves up endangered fish at daughter's party (Daily Mail, UK)
Gore home's energy use: 20 times average (WorldNetDaily)
- Al Gore's residence uses considerably more energy than the average American home = True (Snopes)
Gore isn't quite as green as he's led the world to believe (USA Today)
Meet the real Al Gore (WorldNetDaily)
Whose Ox Is Gored? (The Wall Street Journal)

Carbon Taxes:
Al Gore Pushes 'Pollution Tax' (NewsMax)
Gore's 'carbon offsets' paid to firm he owns (WorldNetDaily)
The Money and Connections Behind Al Gore’s Carbon Crusade (Human Events)

Will Not Debate:
Dennis T. Avery Challenges Al Gore to a Debate (The Heartland Institute)
Lord Christopher Monckton Challenges Al Gore to a Debate (Center for Science and Public Policy)
Why Won’t Al Gore Debate? (The Heartland Institute)
Will Al Gore Melt? If not, why did he chicken out on an interview? (The Wall Street Journal)

 

The Anti "Man-Made" Global Warming Resource

bad grades should prevent

bad grades should prevent someone from getting the nobel as much as bad grades should prevent someone from being president.

i can't believe intelligent people would harp about a progressives grades while endorsing the policies of a president with equal or worse grades.   http://2004.georgewbush.org/bios/yale-transcript.asp  notice the 69 (D) in science (astronomy), does bush think the sun revolves around the earth?

Earth to Crash

OK, you've posted Bush's college grades. Now, please post the transcripts of the college grades from Gore and Kerry.

 

(sound of crickets)

"notice the 69 (D) in

"notice the 69 (D) in science (astronomy), does bush think the sun revolves around the earth?"

Not sure, but I believe your head is stuck deep inside uranus.

Shedd, you dope. If you

Shedd, you dope. If you knew anything about an astronomy course, it's that the formulas are the tricky part. I know plenty of people that 60s on our latest astronomy test, because they didn't know the equations and formulas. They're tough. Apparent brightness, magnification, luminsoty, planet mass measurements, THOSE are what the teacher's test you on. Notsomuch history. Geocentricity and heliocentricity ain't got nothing to do about it on a COLLEGE test. Even if geo/heliocentricity were on a college test, it would be a gimme question, and only about 5 points. Equations are the major portion of any astronomy class.

If it were an history of astronomy class, that's a different story. But from what it looks like, Dubya was just taking the vanilla astronomy class (at YALE, mind you, not CSU or a community college). But then they'd focus on Thomas Aquinas, Stonehenge, Galileo, etc. and not just geo/heliocentricity.

Next time you assail astronomy, do some research and TAKE THE CLASS! You idiot.

The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy

Dope

Don't you know that any dope can fly a jet fighter? Well, any dope except Algore.

Really?

Really? How can the most ostensibly incompetent & verbally incontinent President(according to the leftist MSM) in the history of the U.S. accomplish the most far reaching conspiracy in the history of the U.S., including manipulating prominent, ostensibly brilliant members of the Democrat party (that so viscerally hates him) into voting in support of the Iraqi invasion? If an ostensible "moron" like Bush can essentially manipulate the entire Democrat party, does that make most Democrats sub-morons? What does that say about the Democrat voters who have elected said sub-morons?

Hey, but he did graduate

Hey, but he did graduate with a BSc with honors. That's a BullSh*t crapolla for those unfamiliar with the Harvard grading criterion.

Check out my latest YouTube...but only if you support the troops and their mission: Better Men Than Me/The Battle For Fallujah

Whoa Jack Bauer! I know

Whoa Jack Bauer!

I know the real you got a DUI, but where have you been?

Delicious, Noel,

Delicious, Noel, Delicious!

Hey, crshedd, Kerry got ever WORSE grades than Bush!

You can stop talking now :)

The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy

But he did bag a couple of

But he did bag a couple of heiresses. One worth a measly $50 million, but striking Mayo gold with the beans lady.

Check out my latest YouTube...but only if you support the troops and their mission: Better Men Than Me/The Battle For Fallujah

I've been into

I've been into Rehab.

Mmmm, isn't that an anagram of Behar. Sounds kinda dirty.

Check out my latest YouTube...but only if you support the troops and their mission: Better Men Than Me/The Battle For Fallujah

Jack!

We've missed you here.

Particularly in regard to the put-down of the trolls.  Nicely done.

You missed the whole thing with Eyecare (USnotU.S.).  Another epic NB troll bash.

Glad you're back....

We've totally missed your right-on-the-money Brit understatement. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Rumors of my death... etc.

Rumors of my death... etc. The troll fest sounds funny. What was the subject. A new one, or one the same old boring rants.

Check out my latest YouTube...but only if you support the troops and their mission: Better Men Than Me/The Battle For Fallujah

Jack! I have missed

Jack!

I have missed you...glad you are back and as usual your posts already have me laughing....stick around some now. 

Hey Jack, good to see you

Hey Jack, good to see you back.  Gore might not be the brightest bulb, but if I'm not mistaken, Carter was close to genius, test wise.  I think it has more to do with the World Communist movement will use whoever thay can to further the evolution of a worker's paradise in the good ole USA.  Orwell was right, his timing was just off.  Although, there in Britain, it is encroaching at a rapid rate

As new hate crime laws take effect in England, it's been reported that police recently questioned a Catholic priest following a complaint arising from his views on Muslim radicals.

Father John Hayes was visited by detectives in his London church last month after someone complained about comments he wrote in a parish bulletin a year ago.

The affair was settled amicably, but to me, just the fact that the police are in the business of enforcing a "Racial and Religious Hatred Act".  Although the politicians insist that the burden of proof will be very high, "In an earlier analysis, the London law firm of Farrer and Company concluded that enforcement of the new laws will depend on the prevailing social climate and how judges interpret what "hatred" is."

Whoa!  We got our own PC police on this side of the pond, but so far, as far as I know, they're not questioning catholic priests about using hate speech.  I guess we gotta wait a while to catch up with you guys.

 

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I Refuse To Believe Algore Got a C- in Introductory Economics

I Refuse To Believe Algore Got a C- in Introductory Economics . . .

Are you sure he didn't get an F ? ;-)

Priceless

Priceless. Simply Priceless.

A Nobel Peace Prize for bad science for a dingbat with an open pit zinc mine on his property. He could single handily destroy mother earth - certainly is doing more damage to it than any thousand of us will ever do.

Noel, does this mean I am smarter than Al Gore?

I took both Micro and Macro economics in college. Got a solid B in both. Al got a C-minus in "introductory" economics? That's almost like flunking Nose-Picking 098 before progressing on to Basket Weaving 099.

Al flunks five out of eight divinity classes?

That's even worse.

Muzzeled, I have been. -Dave R.

New Game Show

Time for that great new game show, "Are You Smarter Than the Gorifice" (excuse me, "Goracle").

And they used to call Dan Quayle stupid.

When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.

more Al Gore...

Al Gore the Evironmetalist    (h/t WND)

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.
Thompson/Rice

What the Nobel Prize is becoming

Here is the evolution of the Nobel Prize.

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.
Thompson/Rice

Professor Gore (not) at Vanderbilt - - oops!

My daughter was attending Vanderbilt (graduating 5th in her class of several thousand I'm proud to say then later did the same at Harvard in graduate school) when Al Gore lost in 2000. Who remembers Gore's announcement that he was going to accept a professorship at Vanderbilt? I do. It was unexpected "big news" at Vanderbilt. Especially with the new conservative Republican chancellor of Vanderbilt, Gordon Gee.

Gee scored major points with most of the alumni, many students and most parents of students by very publicly announcing "huh?". Gore had neglected to tell anyone at Vanderbilt he was coming. I guess Gore assumed "what university wouldn't want ALGORE!"

Chancellor Gee's packed press conference quickly cleared out when he said the unexpected. The media had assumed he'd have Al Gore at his side and it would be a big photo-op moment. That he publicly stated something to the effect of "don't call us, we'll call you" to Mr. Gore NEVER made the news. It was front page news in the campus student newspaper but even the Nashville "Tennessean" didn't run the story.

It was as if Gore had never announced he would soon be passing on his great wisdom to hungry young minds at Vanderbilt. After that, Chancellor Gee amazingly stayed on speaking terms with the liberal members of the Vanderbilt faculty but only because it is one of the few major universities in the nation where liberals are outnumbered!

For a more complete resume of "professor Gore's" education bio, read: http://www.freerepub... Also, he flunked out of Vanderbilt the first time and finally "graduated" with something like a diploma but not really. My daughter, who worked for Gee one semester, said Gore's school records were sealed by court order even to Chancellor Gee. Actually, she said "his file is empty, I looked". I'm guessing Sandy Burglar visited Vanderbilt sometime in the 90's.

Al Gore Strains at a Gnat

Matthew 23:24-25

(24) Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

(25) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees [Democrats and liberals]! You are hypocrites! For ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. 

The Global Warming Petition [refuting AGW] has been signed by more than 19,000 scientists.

http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p1845.htm

Jude 1:14-19

(14) And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these [filthy dreamers, like Al Gore], saying, "Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

(15) To execute judgment upon all, and to convince [convict] all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him."

(16) These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration [like Al Gore] because of [political and spiritual] advantage.

(17) But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;

(18) How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

(19) These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

 

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double standard

I remember the media talking about Bush goofing off in school. I don't remember them talking about Gore being a dope.

Michael Mann explains tree rings and Global Warming.

I thought you all might appreciate this. I found it over at Climateaudit.org in the responses.

Michael Mann explains how to read the treemometer.

Here.

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

Hillarious

The genius of Gore

I heard on Sean Hannity yesterday that Al "Genius" Gore bought a million dollar condo on the waterfront of San Francisco Bay. This after making claims in his POS Documentary that in the near future ocean levels would be rising 20 feet, so should we take bets on which will knock this idiots investment into the Pacific first, an eathquake or the flood

Well, this clearly explains

Well, this clearly explains everything. He sucked in science, so he can't comprehend what he's talking about with Globull Alarming. He sucked in economics, so he doesn't understand what his "solutions" would do to every economy on the planet. He knows how little he "knows" about this issue, which is why he adamantly refused to debate with anyone with a "B" average or better.

Everything is so clear now... 

The Closed Mind Erects Strong Barriers

Questions, and more questions, on Gore and AGW

Let me take a stab at a few of them:

Q1: What do “folks in Norway and in the media consider him to be so expert at”?
A: Um, didn’t Gore get the Nobel not for being an expert on science, but for being a spokesman on it?

Q2: Are “liberals and dolts in the media are willing to bet their very lives on [Gore] when it comes to complex scientific issues surrounding meteorology and climatology”?
A: No, and neither are conservatives. Citizens and corporations all individually respond to AGW with their own interests in mind, and policy is decided by our elected leaders. No one is betting on Gore, but they are listening to what he has to say.

Q3: “On a regular basis, [do] such folk have the nerve to suggest that Gore is more knowledgeable when it comes to these matters than scientists who have spent their entire lives studying and educating others at the finest colleges and universities around the world”?
A: Maybe some, but again, Gore is NOT and does not pretend to be a scientist, but someone contributing to public debate. But do you suppose that Gore might know more about climate change than most politicians and pundits? And you think that only liberals and dolts in the media are listening?

Q4: Is America considering to “rest its financial and economic future as it pertains to environmental policy on the shoulders of a man who demonstrated virtually no expertise in science whilst attending one of the world's finest facilities for higher learning?”
A: See above.
FWIW, Gore is an obviously intelligent man and someone who has invested years trying to understand climate science as it intersects with the real world. But surely you are not suggesting that only real expert scientists get to discuss or make decisions relating to climate change? Isn’t this something we all play a role in, informed by what knowledge we can glean from others?

Q5: Think an expertise in chemistry and physics might come in handy to fully understand all the dynamics and variables involved with meteorology and climatology?
A: Yes. But again, we all have to make decisions with imperfect knowledge – and Gore is not making any decisions for us, is he?

Q6: And where are the media on this issue? As Gore travels around the country lecturing America about global warming, shouldn't the press point out how poorly the Nobel Laureate did in science while a college student? Or is that asking too much?
A: Apparently so, but for good reason. Just like the American people were willing to put aside George Bush’s distant academic record in electing him president, Gore’s college science record tells us little about either his ability to understand science or the quality of his current understanding. Of course, it is Gore’s CURRENT understanding of science that is relevant and on which people will judge him (along with Gore’s views on policy). Again, are you suggesting that all politicians simply shut up about public policy issues involving science? And should George Bush shut up too?

BTW, it looks like Gore’s academic record got a fair amount of play at the time WaPo brought it up. There was a similar article at the Washington Times, discussion on CNN and two books on Gore that covered it.

It is of course fair game to question Gore’s current views on science and policy themselves. Did you see the recent comments of Ken Green of AEI? Ken says:

It’s no surprise that Al Gore has added a Nobel Prize to his Academy Award. The political winds have been blowing in his direction for many years now. And to be fair about it, one has to applaud Gore’s climate crusade on several levels: his tenacity, effectiveness, and persuasiveness are all on par with other Nobel winners.

Few informed observers would deny the nugget of truth in Gore’s movie, namely, that the Earth’s climate is warming and that there is a plausible theory linking some of that warming to man-made greenhouse-gas (GHG) emissions and land-use changes. It’s also clear that significant action is needed to address the risks of a changing climate. ... In this regard, Gore’s Nobel is certainly warranted. He has done more to raise awareness of the potential risks of climate change than any other individual in human history.

But there is a sharp distinction to be made between the scientific beneficence of Gore’s message and the destructiveness of his favored policy prescriptions. Although it has suited Gore and the environmental movement to claim that the dispute over climate change is about science—and a few vocal critics of climate science have enabled them to do so—the real fight has always been about the choice of response. ...

Yes, the climate is changing, and yes, some part of that change may be attributable to man-made GHG emissions. Even a modest change of one or two degrees over the next century could pose genuine risks to future generations. Gore deserves credit for raising awareness of these facts. But, again, the bedrock dispute over climate change has never been about the science—it’s been about the policy response.

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Here is another article strikes close to some of the flaws in Gore’s approach:

“Convenient Fibs about an Underlying Truth: Al Gore’s Tortured Brief on Climate Change’s Causes, Effects, and Solutions”, http://academic3.ame...

Has Ken Green and AEI (along with George Bush) gone off the deep end and joined the "liberals and dolts in the media"? Or are they right to concede that climate change is a serious issue, and to focus on policy?

Regards,

More BS

"Our guiding principle is clear. We must lead the world to produce fewer greenhouse gas emissions and we must do it in a way that does not undermine economic growth or prevent nations from delivering greater prosperity for their people." Pres. George Bush

Q1A " not for being an

Q1A " not for being an expert on science, but for being a spokesman on it?"

I agree he is not a scientist. However as science is about openess and testing and retesting, and process; he is a poor spokesman for science. There are many scientist who have not abdicated spokesmanship to Al Gore to speak for them. Which you and he claim he is doing. Scientist are capable of speaking for themselves.

Q2A "No one is betting on Gore, but they are listening to what he has to say".

I listened and I still find it lacking. Am I supposed to turn off my own brain and knowledge of science because it disagrees with you and Al?

Q3A , "Gore is NOT and does not pretend to be a scientist, but someone contributing to public debate. "

Why will this spokesman for science, not allow those scientist who disagree with him to apprear where and when he is being a so called advocate for science. (see above) A true spokesman for science would want all voices to be heard.

Q4A "surely you are not suggesting that only real expert scientists get to discuss or make decisions relating to climate change? Isn’t this something we all play a role in, informed by what knowledge we can glean from others?"

Then surely you will agree that those scientist and non scientist who disagree with Mr Gore, and see the potential for dangers by Mr. Gores suggestions, be allowed  input so that people can make a truely informed decision with knowledge.

 Q5A " But again, we all have to make decisions with imperfect knowledge – and Gore is not making any decisions for us, is he?'

I agree. I will use my own brain, to decide. And I feel reassured you and Mr. Gore will not try to make that decision for me or force your own beliefs on me or on my actions and way of living.

Q6A "Just like the American people were willing to put aside George Bush’s distant academic record in electing him president, Gore’s college science record tells us little about either his ability to understand science or the quality of his current understanding."

Talk about in intellectual BS. You just won a star on that one.

continuation of Q6A "it is Gore’s CURRENT understanding of science that is relevant and on which people will judge him (along with Gore’s views on policy). Again, are you suggesting that all politicians simply shut up about public policy issues involving science? And should George Bush shut up too?"

Even though his understanding of science is lacking; I'm glad you agree that All scientist and concerned individuals be allowed a voice. that it not be restricted those who agree with you and mr. Gore..

I disagree with Mr Gore and feel my understanding of the issue and science in general is at least on a par if not above that of mr. Gore's. I'm thankful that you will help assure that I as well as all other sceptices have the right to speak and be heard so that people can make an "informed" decision.

Thank you.

"There is a cleanot for being an expert on science, but for being a spokesman on it?r attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

Feeling oppressed by that idiot, Gore

Thanks for your comments.

- Obviously Gore is not acting formally for anyone, and no one I know of is claiming he is (certainly not me). But I would venture to say that most scientists make poor public spokesmen.

- Are you supposed to turn off your brain and knowledge of science because it disagrees with me or Al? I would hope not, and I don't think anyone is suggesting that (although perhaps you are aware of a little Republican strategy document called the Luntz memo that advocated something close to that?).

I hope you would also not turn off your brain just because he, Pres. Bush, the defense and intelligence communities, major think tanks like AEI (Ken Green), a wide range of leading corporations (incl. Exxon) and investors, mainline religious groups and other pundits like Ron Bailey or anyone else who is concerned happens to disagree with you.

- Why will Gore not allow others to talk when and where he is? Good question - but he obviously has no obligation to provide a platform for others who disagree with him, nor is he limiting their ability to state their own positions. This is not a question of whether Gore "allows" anybody else input - he has no control over what they do at all, nor is he at all affecting the ability of anybody or any public or private enterpise, organization or government to make their own informed decisions.

My personal hope is that he will have a debate, but it's not as if he is deciding anything, or being elected to anything, is it? But as for general issue of access to the public ear, surely you've noticed that it has been George Bush who has had the "bully pulpit" all of this time, and that Linzen, Michaels, Christy and others have all had plenty of access to the media, including the WSJ op-ed page and Newsweek? What other scientist is playing the pundit role as much as these guys?

- What is "intellectual BS" is to pretend that Gore's grades in a college science class 35 years ago is at all relevant to his ability to understand climate science. It ISN'T relevant, it's just someone's rather poor and transparent attempt to distract from real issues. Sorry, but I don't award stars (actually, I hardly make comments like this either - I'm just reflecting you here).

- Of course all scientists and concerned individuals have a right to talk and discuss. Why should my agreement on basic rules in a democracy make you glad or thankful, though? If you are feeling oppressed, maybe you should first focus on elected officials who actually are doing something about climate change, like George Bush?

Cheers.

"Our guiding principle is clear. We must lead the world to produce fewer greenhouse gas emissions and we must do it in a way that does not undermine economic growth or prevent nations from delivering greater prosperity for their people." Pres. George Bush

  "But I would venture to

  "But I would venture to say that most scientists make poor public spokesmen."

That's pretty funny as when there is a forum between warmer scientist and sceptics. It's the sceptics that win. Maybe it's the warmer scientist that make poor spokesmen.

 "I would hope not, and I don't think anyone is suggesting that (although perhaps you are aware of a little Republican strategy document called the Luntz memo that advocated something close to that?). "

Another funny one as their advertizement consultant in England stated they should minimize the science which is being argued and just state that the science is settled. Sell it as a soap (Which they used as an example) 

Talk about name dropping. Strange here. I hope you won't turn off your brain because 17,000 scientist have stepped forward to say this is flawed.

"This is not a question of whether Gore "allows" anybody else input - he has no control over what they do at all, nor is he at all affecting the ability of anybody or any public or private enterpise, organization or government to make their own informed decisions."

BS as there are a number of examples of people attempting to arrange debates between Mr Gore and sceptical scientist. But Mr Gore will only speak when he is in command.

Further " On February 24, 1994, Ted Koppel revealed on his Nightline program that Vice President Gore had called him and suggested that Mr. Koppel investigate the political and economic forces behind the "antienvironmental"movement. In particular, Vice President Gore had urged Mr. Koppel to expose as fact that several U.S. scientists who had voiced skeptical views about greenhouse warming were receiving financial support from the coal industry and/or groups such as the Lyndon Larouche organization or Reverend Moon’s Unification Church." Source 

Mr Gore used Dr Lancaster to cast question on Dr Singer as he had cowritten and article with Al Gore's mentor Roger Revelle. "What toDo About GreenhouseWarming: Look Before You Leap,". Dr Revelle was Mr Gore's professor and may have been the very man who gave Mr. Gore the D. Said attempt wesulted in a libel suit against Dr Lancaster.

Further Dr Happer was dismissed from his government post after disagreeing with then VP Al Gore on the ozone hole.

Mr Gore has demonstrated an interesting tendency in being a spokesmn for science. He has a track record of attempts to suppress it.

The intellectual BS was your attempt to minimize Mr. Gores grades while what seems to be an attempt to belittle Mr Bush.

This is about science to me. Mr Gore ignores any data that is inconvenient to AGW. As do most warmers.

I also see a man (Mr Gore) with a track record that is poor in science, yet with a tendency to attempt to silence and quiet any who disagree with him. And a media with but a few exceptions that has aided him in his attempted supression of those who disagree.

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

Noel. I'm not into the

Noel. I'm not into the media aspects so much. As the blindman (appropriate name) seems to believe there is adequate availability for sceptical scientists to speak. (I hear something very different from the scientist. As I believe it was Deming when called by the media and asked how something played into global warming, and was told there was no AGW the interview ended.)

But you know the media. Can you tell us how many articles were supportive of AGW, or better stated the science was settled. vrs allowing sceptics to speak.

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

danbo, don't let Dave High get under your skin. :-)

Regards,

Dave R. 

danbo, we all have difficulty in seeing clearly

- if the skeptic scientists make better spokesmen, good on them, but I think you are essentailly conceding my point that scientists are not trained to be public speakers. But are the skeptic scientists really persuading each other, business leaders, politicians etc.?

- I am trying to listen to what everyone has to say, as I realize that the climate is complex. But since there are no property rights in the atmosphere, people cannot express their preferences the preferred way - with their pocketbook - but have to directly or indirectly voice their concerns in the public forum. This means that politicization is inevitable. Unfortunately, that means we have to face not only simplified explanations of a difficult topic, but competition by differing interests to influence the debate - from all sides.

- I was basically talking about Gore after he left public office. Yes, like Bush he also tried to twist the arms of scientists to speak the way he preferred. I certainly do not approve of that. (Don't know anything about Dr. Happer, but will investigate. Who was right, by the way?) But in the bigger picture, Gore certainly doesn't control the debate in this country, and it's been Bush who has had not only the bully pulpit but control of the federal agenda for 6+ years, right? As for Gore's subsequent actions, he has his own views, definitely - is he required to foster the case of those who disagree with them? Surely not.

- Gore is an intelligent man and clearly knows more about climate science than any other politician today. His college sophomore science record is simply irrelevant, but in any case, Americans (and their elected representatives) have every right to ignore whether Gore studied hard in college when they make decisions relating to climate, just as they had every right to ignore Bush's when they elected him. This is NOT a bash on Bush.

- This is about science to me. Good; me too.

Mr Gore ignores any data that is inconvenient to AGW. You don't know that, but are simply referring to his movie. He's given a rough, high-level overview. I agree that it left things out, but like others on the right and the British judge, believe that it was very well supported by the science.

As do most warmers. This is a struggle that we all face. It is very difficult once we have a view on something to really keep our minds open to conflicting data, much less change our minds. Instead, we have built in tendencies (cognitive conservatism) that leads us to see the information that supports our view and to overlook or dismiss contrary information.

Regards,

BS

"Our guiding principle is clear. We must lead the world to produce fewer greenhouse gas emissions and we must do it in a way that does not undermine economic growth or prevent nations from delivering greater prosperity for their people." Pres. George Bush

BS, or should I say Dave High, my dog knows more about ...

...climate science than does Al Gore.

Al Gore is nothing more than a barely marginal lawyer, at best. If you think he is some kind of "expert" on climatology, then you are an idiot of the first order.

 

 

If YOU think I think Gore is some kind of "expert"

on climate change, then ... [suppy end].

Who said Gore was an expert? Try responding to what I write instead of some stupid strawman. He's simply a relatively informed politician. Another one, Gore Bush, agrees with him on the science.

BTW, who is this (in)famous Dave High, Dave? He's not me. But what did he do wrong?

Regards, BS

"Our guiding principle is clear. We must lead the world to produce fewer greenhouse gas emissions and we must do it in a way that does not undermine economic growth or prevent nations from delivering greater prosperity for their people." Pres. George Bush

Gore is an intelligent man

Gore is an intelligent man and clearly knows more about climate science than any other politician today.

Your words, Dave. Or, as per liberal double-speak, are we to believe this had some other meaning?

Regards,

Dave R.

Dave, you can chase your own tail (and WHO is Dave?)

Like I said, I view Gore as a well-informed politician, not an "expert" (your words, not mine). I believe that he is both intelligent and knows more about climate science than any other politician today. There is no doublespeak here - this is simply my opinion on a factual issue on which you can feel free to disagree and argue - in which case, please do so.

In my parlance only scientists actively engaged in climate science work can be experts in climate science. But you apparently think that layment can be experts in matters for which they are not trained. Why?

Of course there are other intelligent and well-informed politicians - like Bush and McCain.

Regards,

BS

"Our guiding principle is clear. We must lead the world to produce fewer greenhouse gas emissions and we must do it in a way that does not undermine economic growth or prevent nations from delivering greater prosperity for their people." Pres. George Bush

BS

Oops...Dave High....

I'm not going to say welcome back.

Exactly whom do you think you're fooling here?

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Hey, BS (Dave High) B*te me. REGARDS, Dave R.

:-)

That's right, BS. Busted you, I did.

But, in case you forgot:

Welcome back, Dave High.
September 24, 2007 - 01:26 ET by Dave R

LMAO-Long time, no see.

So, how's life been treatin' ya?

How's the wife and my kids? :-)

I've been wondering for days who it is that you remind me of, then last
night I read your comment directly above, and it all came flooding
back.

Hey, if you behave this time, perhaps you'll get to hang here a little longer.


Regards,

Dave R.


When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.
-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.

Dave R: Looks like I inherited someone else`s fan club!

Sue, you DIDN`T bust me; you just gave me a very vulgar welcome. Not the same thing, Sue.

Now be a good boy and run along.

"Our guiding principle is clear. We must lead the world to produce fewer greenhouse gas emissions and we must do it in a way that does not undermine economic growth or prevent nations from delivering greater prosperity for their people." Pres. George Bush

BS, Dave High, or whatever, your REPEATED use of the word..

..."REGARDS" was your undoing.

Sorry, pal.

Sorry, pal, but "regards" is just a nice way to end a post

to someone you`ve posted to before.

Will you be less likely to confuse me with someone else if I keep trying to be less polite than you?

And as for false impressions, have you noted the current kerfluffle over at RedState, where they`re convinced that Ron Paul and those who support him are really "liberals", simply because they vociferously disagree with the current incompetent and wasteful big-government, war-mongering administration? My views are here:
http://www.lewrockwe...
http://www.lewrockwe...

You still haven`t sent me any info on this Dave guy, but are these the kinds of sentiments he would express, or was he a big government type liberal?

I don`t mind if you follow me around, Dave, but are you going to limit yourself to being a broken record?

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Pres. George Bush: "Our guiding principle is clear. We must lead the world to produce fewer greenhouse gas emissions and we must do it in a way that does not undermine economic growth or prevent nations from delivering greater prosperity for their people."