
In reality, there were a lot of disgraceful moments during Friday's "Real Time" on HBO, like "The View's" Joy Behar saying "the Republican [presidential] candidates are a bunch of pussies," and calling Michelle Malkin "a selfish bitch."
Despite such lowlights, the most deplorable moment of the evening -- and maybe the most despicable thing Bill Maher has done his entire entertainment career -- was to invite former Mexican president Vicente Fox on his program to bash George W. Bush.
After all, it's one thing to have actors, musicians, comedians, and pundits on your show debasing the most powerful man on the planet who also happens to be a fellow citizen. But to invite a former president of one of America's closest allies and neighbors to participate in insulting your own president is about as low as a member of the media can go.
For those with a strong stomach, Maher began the interview with the following shameful question (video available here courtesy my dear friend Ms Underestimated):
One party ruled Mexico for 71 years. And, for, I remember reading about this, for decades people were saying, "We want someone to come along and break that monopoly on power." And you were finally the man who came along and did that. And that power, that party that was in power for all those years was very corrupt, and very inept. It was like having Bush Republicans in there for 71 years. Now is that, would that be a correct thumbnail telling of Mexican history, sir?
Amazing. Imagine how much hatred Maher must have for his own country's president to ask such a question of a former world leader on national television.
Sadly, that was just the beginning of the Bush bashing, for later, Maher asked his guest the following:
I know you have very mixed feelings about President Bush. I know you are friendly with him because he came and visited you during his early days in office. That was a very gratifying thing for you. But that doesn't really stack up against some of his giant boners like the Iraq war, does it? And, you've called him a "windshield cowboy." What is that?
Incredible. So, now Maher was setting up Fox to himself make fun of our president. Sadly, Vicente did not take the highroad that a classier former head of state would:
Yes, you know, in that visit, I took him to see this beautiful stallion that I ride. And having rided all my life since I was too young, I noticed that he was a little bit trembling, a little bit afraid of touching the horse. I invited him to ride it, and he said, "No, no, no, security would not allow me to ride that horse."
And then I paid a visit back here in Texas, and he invited me to go around his farm there, by the way, a very modest home he's got there. And, he was driving this pickup, this beautiful pickup, and so I could notice that he knows how to drive a pickup, but he doesn't know how to ride a horse.
Isn't that special? Alas, there was more bashing in the following exchange:
Maher: I remember a couple of years ago at one of the correspondents' dinners in Washington, his wife, Laura Bush, got up and told a story...
Fox: Great lady.
Maher: What?
Fox: Great lady.
Maher: Great lady? Well, sure, look who she's standing next to.
Very nice thing to say about your own president, Bill, to the former president of one of our nation's allies no less. Really, you should be very proud of this moment, and look back on it as the pinnacle of your career.
Of course, assuming Maher actually has a conscience, it seems almost a metaphysical certitude that some day in the future, maybe when he's old and retired, he will watch these videos with greater disdain than those of us in this nation today who regardless of the person in the White House hold the Office in highest esteem.
Moving forward, as a positive sidebar, very enthusiastic kudos go to MSNBC's Tucker Carlson, who actually did a better job as the lone conservative on Maher's show than possibly any I've seen. In fact, some of his comments to the New York Times' Paul Krugman were absolutely spectacular.
In particular, when Maher moved the discussion to SCHIP, Carlson ripped Krugman to little pieces (video available here, relevant section begins at 1:50):
Krugman: What actually happened was they were looking for a bipartisan bill. This is a bipartisan bill to expand the children's healthcare program. And they wanted something the Republicans would go along with. And that was the only tax they would go along with..
Carlson: So you're blaming the Republicans for it?
Krugman: Yes.
Carlson: What are you working for them or something? What is this?
Krugman: Look at the House bill...
Carlson: Why don't you address what he just said?
Krugman: The House version of the bill proposed to pay for it in large part by cutting the excess payments to insurance companies under the Medicare program...
Carlson: But why are you evaluating...
Krugman: ...and the Republicans said, "No, we will not sign on to a bill that takes money from insurance companies. We will only take one from one that taxes smokers." And you're going to say that that's a problem with the Democrats?
Carlson: I'm saying that the Democrats, look, I'm not defending the Republicans. You, meanwhile, are flacking for the Democrats by making excuses for something that's indefensible.
Absolutely delicious! Now, move the video ahead to 6:50:
Krugman: If you look at the programs these guys [Republicans] go after, they're not the programs that are wasteful. They're the programs that work. Because they don't want the government to be helping people, and they don't want...
Carlson: (sarcastically) Right, right, because they're evil.
Krugman: No, because they think it's a whole mistake. They want to go like Grover Norquist said, "I want to bring this country back to the way it was before Teddy Roosevelt and the socialists came in."
Carlson: Can I ask you a quick question? Do you think it’s useful to begin a debate assuming that your opponent is evil and not just wrong? Because that's what you're doing. You don't allow that the other person might have a legitimate point and explain the whole thing.
Marvelous. In fact, what Tucker just identified is the entire modus operandi of today's Democrat Party and media: depict conservatives and Republicans as evil so as to eliminate from the public discourse opinions they disagree with.
Bravo, Tucker. You made my Friday evening significantly better by taking on three of America's leading liberal media members, and absolutely wiping the floor with them.
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Pathetic People
Sat, 10/13/2007 - 16:20 ET by Sonny LykosFeel sorry for these pathetic people.
They remind me of as a kid some other kid would taunt another for one reason or another, then look at his buddies for validation, as though saying: "Did you see me? Aren't I sharp?"
Such civility
Sat, 10/13/2007 - 16:21 ET by steveba4Well, at least the lefties are civil and polite in their political discourse.
Tucker Carlson and the Democrat lickspittles
Sat, 10/13/2007 - 16:29 ET by RJTucker seems stronger lately. I've caught him a couple of times recently, and he seems more willing to mix it up with the Democrats and the Democrat lickspittles of the media.
As for the anti-American Maher and Behar, what can you say but there goes another liberal scum and scumette duo.
No defense
Sat, 10/13/2007 - 16:30 ET by Jerry MackTucker just proved to anyone with an open mind why liberal talk radio is barely alive. They can not defend their position without lying or telling 1/2 truths.
Bill Maher is so full of hate that he only trust himself to shave with an electric razor.
Joy Behar.........
Sat, 10/13/2007 - 17:01 ET by BrillianceJoy Behar looks like an uglier version of Babs Streisand - It's no wonder she would be jealous of Michelle Malkin.
Michelle Malkin is a deliciously smart, fiery little cutie pie.
And Michelle doesn't have
Sat, 10/13/2007 - 20:18 ET by HypocriteHaterAnd Michelle doesn't have to use the word "pussies" to get her point across. Classy Joy, real classy.
"...the entire modus
Sat, 10/13/2007 - 17:05 ET by Republic1"...the entire modus operandi of today's Democrat Party and media: depict conservatives and Republicans as evil so as to eliminate from the public discourse opinions they disagree with."
Very well put. Next up for the Dems: outlawing speach they disagree with on national radio, and hey, maybe even re-education camps for dissidents. Nobody will crush freedom and resort to mass murder and oppression faster than a liberal with absolute power.
"Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him." -Muhammad
Vicente Fox looks like a
Sat, 10/13/2007 - 17:16 ET by AntiMediaVicente Fox looks like a rat.
Hey now,
Sat, 10/13/2007 - 17:51 ET by Uncle PinkyI've known some very sleek and charming rats. Besides, what would that make Waxman? A mutant naked mole rat with overcompensating nostrils?
Really, we demean animals by comparing them to politicians.
Uncle Pinky, LOL! I
Sun, 10/14/2007 - 07:50 ET by AntiMediaUncle Pinky,
LOL! I apologies to the animals. Do you think Waxman might be a nose picker?
You know, I'm glad there
Sat, 10/13/2007 - 17:50 ET by Chris NormanYou know, I'm glad there are conservative Republicans, like here, to defend Republicans and the President and to point out the misleading ways of the liberal Democrats. Because, the Republicans and the President sure don't do a very good job at defending themselves, if they attempt to do it, at all...
That damned Iraq war - and
Sat, 10/13/2007 - 18:05 ET by SMGalbraithThat damned Iraq war - and the discontent by many middle-of-the-round Americans over it is - one of the leading reasons that they are willing to give folks like Krugman a hearing.
Without that, they would laugh him and his acolytes out of the room.
Belligerently moonstruck on stupid.
Sat, 10/13/2007 - 18:14 ET by Trix RabbitAnd once again Billy Maher has his facts wrong
One party ruled Mexico for 71 years.
Which party are you yapping about? The PAN or the PRI? I will try to be as civil as I can about this, but let's face it. You are nothing but a drug-addled dumbass with a "talk" show.
Vicente Fox had a coalition of the PVEM and the PAN. So were you deliberately trying to tie him in with that "very corrupt and very inept" rule over Mexico?
Next time, do some more reading. That is, if you can leave the bong for at least two minutes.
Dumbass.
Liberal: a power worshipper without power. George Orwell
Silly Rabbit. If Maher
Sat, 10/13/2007 - 19:06 ET by MikeBSilly Rabbit. If Maher left his bong (even for two minutes) where would he get his inspiration and material for his "comedy"?
BONG HIT: "Bush lied, people died."
BONG HIT: "There were no WMDs in Iraq."
BONG HIT: "Katrina was a result of global warming, and therefore Bush's fault."
BONG HIT: "Bush is Hitler."
Yup. See how funny Maher is? Now, would you really want him to stop entertaining us with such cutting edge comedy? </sarc>
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
Riding the Stallion
Sat, 10/13/2007 - 20:31 ET by EvilCon555I know that most of you won't address the issue that Vincente Fox felt it necessary to dress our President down for "trembling" before his stallion....but as a horsewoman let me. Studs, or stallions, are sensitive animals who respond better to those that they are used to. And beyond that, any good, let alone great, horseman would never invite a complete stranger to ride a stallion, let alone a horse of any worth, when they felt that either the horse or the man were at risk. That said, some of the smarmiest horseman in the world have passed off a lethal animal in the best of terms to get even with a foe. President Bush, even if he was shaking, turned down an offer to ride an animal not known to him NOT because he was a bad horseman, or because he was "chicken"...but because he was not so full of bravado that he saw a situation that was both bad for him and for the horse...if indeed Mr Fox's story is true. Fox is a man who thought beyond his own ego and what was best for the animal. Damn Vincente Fox, and God Bless his horses who must be suffering him the fool. President Bush took the high road. But since the average media worshipper would not understand the nature of a relationship with a spirited animal, Maher, Fox and the rest of the liberal know-it-alls won out. Thank God for a good horse and a good man. Too bad about HBO and the fool hearted liberals who don't know any better. And by the way, I got a great horse for Mr Maher - maybe he wants to go for a ride? EvilCon555
"Not the cry, but the flight of the wild duck, leads the flock to fly and follow" Chinese Proverb
Bill Maher is a Stuart
Sat, 10/13/2007 - 20:58 ET by nicksmith112Bill Maher is a Stuart Smalley fan.
Need we know anymore about him?
http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_political_donations/Bill_Maher.php
I'm a refugee from the Democratic Party.
I'd like to see what that
Sat, 10/13/2007 - 21:32 ET by Lancasters Saved UsI'd like to see what that Smarmy used car salesman Fox could do on a mountain bike. Riding a horse since he was 2. Ha! Macho Idiot.
What little respect I had
Sat, 10/13/2007 - 22:31 ET by Steelefan1What little respect I had for Mr Maher was washed away after the stunt he pulled on the Halloween after the crocodile hunter died. http://www.simplydumb.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/bill-maher-steve-irwin.jpg
I was never a big fan of Steve Irwin, I often thought he used poor judgment in his handling wildlife. However he seemed to have good intentions and a good heart witch is more that I can say for this scumbag Maher. When he pulled this stunt on that Halloween all I could think about was Irwins poor family seeing this world class insensitive loser trying to get attention at the expense of there loss.
If a conservative comedian like Denis Miller would have done something like this it would have made every news show and paper around the country. This and his comments after 9/11 and the many other stupid comments this smug little drunk makes on a daily basis has helped me reaffirm why I hate for the left. Thank you Bill for keeping me on track.
I didn't know Bill Maher did
Sun, 10/14/2007 - 00:01 ET by mostlymoderateI didn't know Bill Maher did that. Yuck. I wasn't a fan of Steve Irwin either but he made a lot of children happy. Bill Maher is definitely a jerk.
I am not a big fan of Bush
Sat, 10/13/2007 - 22:19 ET by mostlymoderateI am not a big fan of Bush and I would not vote for him again for sure. HOWEVER, SCREW Vicente Fox!!! I am sick and tired of these degenerate "leaders" from other countries coming into MY country and getting 'lippy' about my President (especially during a War). Bush definitely has weaknesses but so has every President; nobody is perfect.
P.S. If Vicente Fox had it HIS way, there would be absolutely no boarder between the U.S. and Mexico. Elitist scumsucker! I'm done :0)
I'd vote for Bush again if
Sun, 10/14/2007 - 00:03 ET by SmartypantsI'd vote for Bush again if he was going against ANY of these Democrats; no question he's the sanest of them all.
i disagree with W
Sun, 10/14/2007 - 00:06 ET byon many issues but I'd vote for him if it meant say Ginsberg and Breyer being replaced by two jurists like Roberts and Alito
"Television is where you watch people in your living room that you would not want near your house." Groucho
botg,
Sun, 10/14/2007 - 00:30 ET by Dave RI probably would, too. Only this time, I'd have two clothes pins on my nose instead of the one I was sporting in '04.
When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.
A Question for Noel.
Sun, 10/14/2007 - 00:50 ET by Donovan16Noel you're probably my favorite blogger on NB but I don't understand why you feel the need to expose us the this liberal piece of trash Maher. I could understand if he were an MSM journalist or anchor but if I want to get a look into the mind of a BDS inflicted leftist there are plenty of places I can do that.
I mean it's pretty much the same thing every time with this buffon.
"George Bush is a retarded cowboy"
"George Bush is a chickenhawk drunk."
"There is no real difference between George Bush and (Insert Islamofasict here)."
I can't be the only one tired of Maher and his oh-so predictable "outrageous" statements.
Well Mr. Fox tell me
Sun, 10/14/2007 - 01:21 ET by USA4freedomWell Mr. Fox tell me this.
If Bush is such a chicken how about it if he tosses you a
set a keys for a F-102 and tells you to take it for a spin around the block..
Tell me big guy, do you think that you might be worried just
a little?
And then write a book and calling you a “in the trunk
Mexican cowboy.” In the trunk because that is where you want to hide all of
your citizens while they flee the country that you run..
Let me see, I think I would rather have a President that
makes my country better and a little nervous about riding someone’s horse, over
and idiot that makes it his job, to make sure that this fellow country men
leave rather than make things better for them.
Here is a map, go make a living in the US and send your
money home. Yea that is some way to run a country. Then,make sure that you
insult the only friend that you have North of the Rio Grande. (Well except the
leftist because you slam Bush).
What a class act all the way. With friends like you..
These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day
Donovan, I think that we
Sun, 10/14/2007 - 01:52 ET by USA4freedomDonovan,
I think that we should hear, but you are right, the lines
are sooooo predictable. For example;
Bush lied..
Anything.. and Halliburton
Dick Chaney, hunting..
Bush miss spoke..
Bush..Dumb
Bush is a cowboy..
Dick Chaney, Darth Vader..
Ha Ha Ha.. man that is cutting edge.
Lets not forger the comedian no-Joy:
Joy Behar saying "the Republican [presidential]
candidates are a bunch of pussies,"
and calling Michelle Malkin "a selfish bitch."
This is from a party where one of the top three, is on video
primping his hair for about 5 min.
Compared to a party where one of the men running has spend
time in a Viet Nam prison camp.
Then calling Michelle Malkin a selfish bitch because she
cares about her own country. In comparison to her, well.. let the next bit of
info. tell it all..
Joy Behar: "Is there such a thing as a man-made stroke?
In other words, did someone do this to him?" Asking, did the Republicans
try to kill Senator Tim Johnson (D)
These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day
Bill Maher is sure scraping
Sun, 10/14/2007 - 04:34 ET by fitzfongBill Maher is sure scraping the bottom of the barrel in trying to find panelists as smug and ignorant as he is. What's the matter, Bill, wasn't Ben Affleck available again? Paul Krugman and Joy Behar would certainly run him close...and Joy scores extra points with that carpy whine of hers (she's certainly Maher's equal in that regard).
As for that miserable creep Vicente Fox. How dare that scumbag demand that we subsidize his country's massively corrupt government by suggesting we have a moral obligation to eagerly import Mexico's citizens. He and his riff-raff government pals are solely responsible for the conditions in that country. It is not our responsibilty or our moral obligation to clean up his ludicrous failures. This guy is human excrement.
Nice one Bill - terrific
Sun, 10/14/2007 - 07:41 ET by Sir ThomasNice one Bill - terrific takedown of Sean Hannity during New Rules, too.
No doubt you were one of the
Sun, 10/14/2007 - 15:56 ET by fitzfongNo doubt you were one of the trained seals Maher's producers had bussed in from UCLA to cheer on cue. Oh, I forgot, you claim you went to Cambridge. I guess you can bus trained seals in from anywhere.
No need to be so hateful, I
Sun, 10/14/2007 - 18:46 ET by Sir ThomasNo need to be so hateful, I was merely passing comment on the item as others have. Awful lot of venom there, probably says a lot about you.
I don't know what part of my
Sun, 10/14/2007 - 20:39 ET by fitzfongI don't know what part of my comment suggests "hateful" to you. I don't hate you. If anything, I pity you. I can't imagine that anyone who would cite serial lightweights like Keith Olbermann and Bill Maher would have too much about him.
No, probably only about as
Mon, 10/15/2007 - 05:07 ET by Sir ThomasNo, probably only about as much as one who would leap to the defence of a man (?) like Sean Hannity.
First of all, I don't recall
Mon, 10/15/2007 - 12:23 ET by fitzfongFirst of all, I don't recall leaping to the defense of anyone in this matter. Sean Hannity can defend himself...not that he needs to, he's a highly successful radio and television personality who earns solid ratings on both programs. Bill Maher, on the other hand, has been relegated to the national television equivalent of Siberia where he's routinely stuck kissing Ben Affleck's a** in front of a bunch of drunken frat boys carrying rohypnol. He attempts to mask his obvious lack of intelligence and sense of humor (this, from a "comedian") by simply shouting over his opponents...when he bothers to have any. I don't expect you to make the distinction between critcism of Maher and defense of Hannity...as a Maher follower, you'd have a difficult enough time distinguishing between your head and your posterior.
Like the best candidates at
Mon, 10/15/2007 - 12:41 ET by Sir ThomasLike the best candidates at the presidential debates, the most honest and intelligent TV personalities are not necessarily the most popular. That you use ratings as some mark of credibility suggests that you have all the intellect of a small pebble I found on the beach at Wells yesterday. To this can be added your hypocrisy - I apparently misread you, yet not once do I appear to have labelled myself a Maher follower. Best stick to the obvious stuff - tell me I hate freedom and be done with it.
Finally - 'he attempts to mask his obvious lack of intelligence ... by simply shouting over his opponents'. Fitting that we should also be talking about Hannity here, no?
For laughs, I'd be
Mon, 10/15/2007 - 16:08 ET by fitzfongFor laughs, I'd be interested to know who, in your very humble opinion the "best candidates at the presidential debates" are. If you are somehow implying that Bill Maher is an honest and intelligent TV personality, then your stupidity knows no bounds. Your claim that I "use ratings as some mark of credibility" is either ignorant or dishonest. I never said Hannity had credibility because his shows are highly rated. I said that he doesn't need me defending him as he's got bigger fish to fry than a faux (your word) comedian whose show is wedged between episodes of Taxicab Confessions. Your dig at my intellect greatly amuses me as your submissions so far have been completely infantile and without substance. A handful of liberals and moderates post on this site with intelligent and thought-provoking commentary. You are not one of them. Frankly, I couldn't care less whether you hate freedom or not, your comment is a non sequitur and I will treat it as the throw-away line that it is. As for your rebuttal regarding the shouting over opponents: Hannity takes his opponents on one-on-one, Maher resorts to ganging up on his conservative superiors with multiple liberal panelists and the aforementioned trained seals. A little different, isn't it?
If you wish to address this
Mon, 10/15/2007 - 18:05 ET by Sir ThomasIf you wish to address this on a purely 'bigger fish to fry' level, how much time do you think Maher spends worrying about the likes of Noel Sheppard (who apparently knows few adjectives that do not stem from 'delicious') blogging about him? Kind of undercuts the purpose of the site, does it not? Further, as is so typically the case, you attack Maher for his idiocy, yet seldom do you address his actual comments. And yet I'm the one who is insufficiently thought-provoking! And to suggest that Hannity takes his opponents on one on one conclusively shows you up for the buffoon that you are - Hannity and Fox stack the odds up against his liberal opponents no differently to Maher, as even your limited intelligence will tell you.
What most pleases me is that you clearly remember things that I posted months ago. I'm thought-provoking enough for you to have remembered, and it is great to know that I have made that level of impact. The fervour and incoherence of your attacks suggests sour grapes that, in your education, you have not been as fortunate as me?
Don't flatter yourself Sir Thomas
Mon, 10/15/2007 - 18:20 ET by Dee BunkMany of us have good memories. That's why we are not so easily led by liberal media propaganda that requires a lot of forgetting to believe. It's not just you we remember, it's most people we come in contact with.
Sir Thomas, you are a dumbass. Sorry, but that is the most...
Mon, 10/15/2007 - 20:42 ET by Dave R....polite thing I could stir up to say about you.
I'm talking First-Order moron, pal.
Are you Mahers new love interesest? Perhaps you are Bill himself?
How are the turban and sandals fitting?
When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.
Noel: 1 Sir Thomas: 0
Mon, 10/15/2007 - 20:49 ET by Free StinkerNoel: 81,129,638,414,606,681,695,789,005,144,064
Sir Thomas: 0
And Noel's score is that *low* because I'm too tired to deal with a larger number.
First of all, "Sir Thomas",
Mon, 10/15/2007 - 21:58 ET by fitzfongFirst of all, "Sir Thomas", I now sincerely doubt that you attended Cambridge. If you had attended college, surely you would have licked that pronoun problem by now (Fortunate as me? Nice one, genius). The fact that I remember things you "posted months ago" has nothing to do with the level of thought-provocation your posts induce. It has everything to do with the fact that you apparently need an affectation ("Sir") and a dubious claim to have attended a well-respected university to cover your real intellectual deficiencies. As for allusion to the substance of Bill Maher's statements not being addressed by me, simply track back to the beginning of this thread when you were giving Hugh Hefner's gopher the old 'atta-boy. You never addressed any substantive commentary...you just congratulated Maher for some blanket reference to Sean Hannity. Look, if you can't tell the difference between two conservatives arguing with two liberals on Hannity and Colmes and four socialists and a brainwashed mob ganging up on one semi-conservative, there's no hope for you. You're officially a waste of time and bandwidth. Go finish up your education before you come back here swinging at the big guns.
wow fitz
Mon, 10/15/2007 - 22:03 ET by BlondeTake down of the week.
Seriously.....I pass my troll beating mallet to you, my friend, with all seriousness.
Excellent!
P.S. Really laughing at some of your most clever turns of phrase. Great stuff!
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Funny you should say,
Tue, 10/16/2007 - 06:00 ET by Sir ThomasFunny you should say, actually, as I was often harpooned by tutors for my poor use of pronouns. That I achieved excellence despite such deficiencies is, I suppose, to my credit. Nevertheless, I must say that it does not matter that you doubt my educational background, I'm sure you'll be familiar with the phrase 'bigger fish to fry'. Like the vast majority of the posts here, you are correct - my post was a simple 'atta boy, but then, it was you who first challenged me for being insufficiently though-provoking. So, at the very least, you are a hypocrite. I suppose I must ultimately return to the question of how much I can expect from an individual who sees balance on Hannity & Colmes. And to make matters worse the putty patrol are now weighing in! Aaaarrgghhh!!
Time for this tomfoolery to end. Great last point you make, though, about 'swinging at the big guns' - next time I come back I'll try to find them. They would probably be the ones who see something approaching a contradiction in writing an opponent off as a hopeless dimwit, and then exerting so much time and effort responding to him.
Wow. That was a toothless
Tue, 10/16/2007 - 11:30 ET by fitzfongWow. That was a toothless and meandering response. Better have your corner man throw in the towel.
All spin no substance - you
Tue, 10/16/2007 - 14:29 ET by Sir ThomasAll spin no substance - you ever considered a career in British politics?
Face it, "Sir" Thomas,
Tue, 10/16/2007 - 17:14 ET by fitzfongFace it, "Sir" Thomas, you've got nothing. You were irritating, now you're just sad. You should simply take your lumps with some dignity and walk away...you bore me.
fitz, that was exquisette.
Tue, 10/16/2007 - 21:38 ET by Dave RThat should send "Sir" Dumbass back to his tea and crumpets. Mumbling all the way. LOL.
When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.