David Brock’s Journey From ‘Right-wing Hit Man’ to Media Matters Propagandist

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Last Sunday, NewsBusters introduced readers to Media Matters for America, the left-wing organization behind the recent smear campaigns against conservative personalities Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly.

In the days that followed, although news outlets and leading Democrats continued to reference articles written by this shadowy group, few details were offered about the organization behind them, and virtually nothing was shared concerning its founder, David Brock, who in a short period of time a decade ago remarkably went from a staunch enemy of the Clintons to one of their strongest supporters.

As National Review's Jonah Goldberg wrote in Sunday's New York Post, "Brock was once a right-wing hatchet man, penning a book, ‘The Real Anita Hill,' and some articles in the American Spectator on the Clintons that for a time earned him considerable notoriety on the right and hatred on the left."

Despite the influence Media Matters currently has with the mainstream media, Brock's extraordinary political metamorphosis ten years ago, though obviously a journalist's dream, has received little recent attention from press representatives typically clamoring for such juicy dish (emphasis added throughout):

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After the success of the Anita Hill book, Brock was given a contract to write a similar exposé on Hillary Clinton, "The Seduction of Hillary Rodham."

The book was a dud. But it had explosive effects on Brock. In the course of working on it, he came out of the closet and gained a crush on Mrs. Clinton at the same time. Some claimed that he became "pro-Hillary" as an excuse to hide his failure at cracking the cone of silence around Clinton. Others believe that his transformation was less mercenary and more principled. Whatever; wading deep into Brock's psyche requires taller hip boots than are currently available on the market.

Fortunately, I was able to find waders up to Goldberg's challenge, and identified some news reports that occurred during Brock's transformation period which offered some insight as to how a successful conservative writer became a shill for the Clintons virtually overnight.

In particular was Brock's pivotal July 1997 Esquire piece "Confessions of a Right-wing Hit Man," which though often referenced, the lack of a URL has limited the exposure of many of the 5,132-word article's specifics:

Back in 1983, at the University of California at Berkeley, where I was then a junior, I had been elected university editor of The Daily Californian, the main campus paper. My first signed op-ed column was an endorsement of the U.S. invasion of Grenada--not a terribly controversial position in the nation as a whole, but at Berkeley, where protesters were burning the flag, this was an act of heresy. Though I had gone to Berkeley because of its reputation for liberal activism rooted in the campus free-speech movement, the liberals turned out to be not so liberal after all. There was a campaign to recall me from the editorship, and I was shunned for the balance of my time on campus. This experience of having to fight to express my opinions--at Berkeley, of all places--marked my break with liberalism. I began to see an incipient conservatism as challenging a tired, lockstep liberal orthodoxy, and, like many of my generation, I moved further to the right in the 1980s.

Interesting. So, 24 years ago, Brock wrote a piece that his peers didn't like, and he switched political leaning. Flash forward to 1997, and the same exact thing happened:

On the day last fall that my book on Hillary Rodham Clinton came out, I retrieved a voice-mail message from a friend, Barbara Olson, a Republican lawyer who was working on Capitol Hill, investigating the firing of the White House Travel Office workers...That Friday night, I was planning to go to another party at the Olsons' to celebrate the end of the first session of Congress under Republican control in more than four decades...But in Barbara's message, I discovered that as word filtered out that The Seduction of Hillary Rodham not only failed to deliver the deathblow to the Clintons that everyone had expected but was in some respects sympathetic to its subject, I was suddenly no longer welcome in my old circle. "Given what's happened, I don't think you'd be comfortable at the party," she said. As only someone who has fallen from grace in Washington can know, it was a classic moment.

A classic moment indeed, as for the second time in Brock's life, criticism about his writing caused him to totally reevaluate his political ideology. Goldberg elaborated:

For the rest of the 1990s, Brock launched something of a fire sale on his own credibility. In articles and interviews, Brock outed himself as a liar. He confessed to lying in the Anita Hill book, even though the lies he admitted to were peripheral to his exoneration of Justice Clarence Thomas but devastating in what they said about Brock himself; he admitted he'd been a hatchet man and borderline extortionist. In a piece for Esquire - in which he was depicted bound to a tree, nipple exposed - Brock apologized to Bill Clinton and expressed regret over his "Troopergate" stories for the American Spectator. He said they were all true, mind you, but that he shouldn't have written them.

But the problem was already obvious. As Jill Abramson told the Washington Post's Howard Kurtz, "the problem with Brock's credibility" is that "once you admit you've knowingly written false things, how do you know when to believe what he writes?" Yet by the end of the Clinton years and the beginning of the Bush administration, Brock had become a darling of the pro-Clinton media establishment as a supposed truth-teller.

Is it becoming clearer why the media haven't done any exposés on this man recently? After all, given how easily he flip-flops political positions, as well as goes back on his own previously published assertions, Brock is hardly someone whose veracity should be so universally unquestioned. As such, press outlets relying on statements from his organization certainly don't want to do anything that might cast a shadow upon him or it.

Nor would they like to draw attention to Brock's peculiar view of journalism expressed during the June 22, 1997, installment of CNN's "Reliable Sources":

MARTIN SCHRAM, SCRIPPS HOWARD NEWS SERVICE: David, you've been quoted, at least as we saw in our research, as saying that if the Arkansas troopers came to you now with the same story that they came to you with before and it's the Paula [Jones] story and so on, that you may not go with it, that you've had second thoughts.

BROCK: Right.

SCHRAM: Explain, because a story is a story or it's not a story, if you're a real investigative reporter. So talk about that.

BROCK: Well, I think that a story is a story, but you have a choice. You don't have to pursue every story that's a story. And I spent four months working on that Troopergate story. I was thorough. I think I was accurate. The "L.A. Times" published a similar story. So it's a credible story. I think that early on it did show us some interesting things about the Clintons and the culture around them so -- and I think that's held up. However, I am ambivalent now. I'm on the fence. If the troopers came to me today, I'm not blind. It had some ill effects. It had some ill effects on the presidency. It had some ill effects for my own conservative friends and allies, who I think got too scandal obsessed.

BERNARD KALB, RELIABLE SOURCES: Do you mean -- let me interrupt.

BROCK: Yes?

KALB: Do you mean you would stamp out a story that you knew to be accurate because it could have ill effects on you, the White House and so forth? You would be in...

BROCK: I'm on the fence about it, yes.

KALB: You'd engage in personal censorship?

BROCK: I'm on the fence about it.

Imagine that: the man who founded Media Matters, and is regularly feeding flagrantly errant and propagandist stories to the press as well as leading Democrats, is on the fence about censoring articles that could have ill effects on him or politicians he supports. Yet, this is the very hypocrisy Brock claimed in Esquire led him away from the right:

A deeper problem is the conservative movement's obsession with the supposed hidden agendas and dark motives of anyone who dissents. It employs an entire lexicon to describe any move from the party line as pandering to the liberal press.

Interesting contradiction, wouldn't you agree? Yet, there was more in this Esquire article that gave further insight into the motives behind his second startling political rebirth:

Conservative frustration is understandable to anyone familiar with the dynamics of the American media. While liberals have no obvious career incentives for criticizing Democrats or moving to the right, the same can't be said for conservatives who criticize their own side or move left. All conservatives know that the surest way to be published on the op-ed page of The New York Times is to attack other conservatives.

This was a rather prescient statement by Brock, for in the weeks following the release of this Esquire piece, not only was he on CNN's "Reliable Sources," but he was also invited on NBC's "Today" show, "Meet the Press," CNBC's "Equal Time," as well as being the subject of upwards of 25 articles in leading publications such as the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, and U.S. News & World Report.

As a result, it appears he was quite right about "the surest way to be published on the op-ed page of The New York Times is to attack other conservatives."

Offering further insight into his transformation was the interview he did with NBC's Matt Lauer on the June 18, 1997, "Today" show:

LAUER: But, basically, the problem is, you're saying they looked at you not as a journalist...

Mr. BROCK: Right.

LAUER: ...who would tell a fair story.

Mr. BROCK: Right.

LAUER: They looked at you as someone who would be a hit man for their cause?

Mr. BROCK: Right. I think, basically, they thought they owned me. And they found out in the Hillary case, much to their dismay, that they don't own me, that I had to write it as I found it. And maybe they didn't understand the function of journalism, which is to try to create an accurate picture. It's not to--to, you know, serve a political agenda.

Interesting, as four days later, on CNN's "Reliable Sources," he told Bernie Kalb that he was on the fence concerning personal censorship to assist politicians he supported. Honestly, this man changes his positions more frequently than some people change their socks. But there was more of note in that Lauer interview:

LAUER: But some of them claim that when you wrote the Hillary book...

Mr. BROCK: Yeah.

LAUER: ...you were looking for publicity. And now...

Mr. BROCK: Right.

LAUER: ...the hurt puppy routine that you're going through right now is--is more of a quest for publicity.

Lauer was likely on to something, for this wasn't only a quest for publicity on Brock's part, but also for acceptance from his peers.

Maybe more importantly, as he saw himself as a hit man, is it conceivable that folks within the Clinton administration recognized Brock's insecurities, as well as his propensity to change political affiliations at the drop of a hat, and, as a result, saw him as someone who could easily be turned into their hit man?

Hints of Senator Palpatine and Anakin Skywalker, wouldn't you agree? Fortunately, our answer may lie in statements made just four days later when Brock appeared on the June 22, 1997, installment of "Meet the Press":

And what that told me about my own side was that there was a certain intellectual hypocrisy there, that to score the point against Clinton, to get Clinton out of the White House, they're willing to stick with a charge that was really garbage. And that really--part of what I'm writing about in this article is how my view of my own allies and the world that I was in has changed, and how I've rethought my function as a journalist. And so I've said, "Whereas I used to wake up in the morning and figure out, you know, What liberal targets can I go attack,' I'm going to have a much broader scope now."

Now Brock wakes up in the morning to figure out what conservative targets he can attack. Maybe more importantly, given his letter of apology to then President Bill Clinton published in the April 1998 Esquire, it appears Brock's quest for a "much broader scope" lasted no more than nine months (emphasis added throughout, reader is cautioned to have a garbage pail nearby, for some of this is sick-making):

Dear Mr. President,

My mind keeps drifting back to that paragraph about "Paula" and to the memory that her name wasn't even supposed to show up in print. Back in December 1993, when I broke the Troopergate story in The American Spectator, neither of us could have predicted its consequences--for you, for me, and for the country. In the piece, Arkansas state troopers alleged that they procured women for you when you were governor. One of the women was remembered only as Paula. Soon after the piece was published, Paula Jones shocked the world by identifying herself as the woman in question and by suing you for sexual harassment. And, of course, Paula Jones begat Monica Lewinsky. Surveying the wreckage my report has wrought four years later, I've asked myself over and over: What the hell was I doing investigating your private life in the first place?

What a shock: David was having another moral dilemma concerning what it means to be a journalist.

After exhaustively detailing how he ended up in Little Rock metaphorically peeking through hotel windows, Brock offered another in a series of apologies:

The story was now in my sights. The question I then grappled with--the same question that would vex the press in the Monica Lewinsky case and that has haunted me ever since--was, When, if ever, are allegations about a politician's personal life newsworthy?
[...]

I discussed my dilemma with two Washington wise men who had been mentors of mine, and the verdict was split. Significantly, perhaps, they were both conservative Republicans with no training in journalism. Significantly, too, in the way of Washington careerists, they focused only on how the piece might affect me personally. No thought was given, by any of us, to how baring the most intimate details of your sexual conduct by a politically hostile writer might dramatically alter the way political battles are fought in Washington.

Sounds a lot like what he told CNN's Bernie Kalb, doesn't it? But there's more:

One adviser told me flatly that I was sitting on perhaps the most devastating portrait of a president ever to be published--the biggest story of my career. The other warned that the allegations, even if proved, would be dismissed as tabloid trash and could therefore hurt my reputation as much as yours. They both turned out to be right.

In the end, I decided that the allegations met several tests that made them relevant to public character.

[...]

But to be honest with you, these "tests" were something of a charade, more an attempt to fashion defenses for myself against charges that I was a "tabloid" journalist than they were a neutral set of journalistic principles. I wasn't hot for this story in the interest of good government or serious journalism. I wanted to pop you right between the eyes. Test or no test, the story was going, and I would have found some way to dress it up ex post factor.

Give into your hate, Anakin. But there's more:

In my case, there was an open political agenda at work as well, which must have colored my judgment at least at the margins. I never felt the visceral hatred toward you that many of your detractors harbor, but I did regard you, the first Democratic president in my adult life, as an ideological threat. Ironically, I had just finished a book in which I argued strenuously against the use of personal scandal for partisan advantage in the Thomas-Hill case. In contemporary Washington, I lamented, it was no longer enough to defeat your opponent fair and square on the issues; you had to destroy him as a human being. The hypocrisy involved in what I was about to do to you didn't strike me until after the deed was done.

After Brock detailed Paula Jones's involvement in Troopergate, he seemed to be begging Clinton for forgiveness and/or absolution:

No matter how I felt about the case personally, as a journalist, I would never have compromised that important principle. And with the passage of time, whatever sympathy I may have had with the Jones "cause" is gone. And whatever place in history I may have, I'm not proud of it.

When I watched the media hoopla as you got hauled into a deposition by Jones's lawyers, I had a sinking feeling. My ransacking of your personal life had given your political adversaries--who were now funding and fighting the Jones case--an opportunity to use the legal process to finish the job that I started. Worse still their effort to dig up sexual dirt on you was sanctioned by the Supreme Court, which in a landmark ruling has imperiled future presidents by making them vulnerable to character assassination in all manner of civil suits while in office.

None of this was supposed to happen. Now that I'm living through it, I'm sure it should not have happened.

All that's missing in this gratuitous mea culpa was Brock bowing at the feet of his new master asking, "What is thy bidding?"

Possibly even more intriguing, the answer was ominously foreshadowed months prior when Brock wrote in his first Esquire piece of a media void somehow needing to be filled:

Still, there is no "liberal movement" to which these journalists are attached and by which they can be blackballed in the sense that there is a self-identified, hardwired "conservative movement" that can function as a kind of neo-Stalinist thought police that rivals anything I knew at Berkeley.

There is now, David. It's called Media Matters, and you defined its modus operandi far better ten years ago than anyone including yourself has since.

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.


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David Brock

Wow! Great job Noel. Now that is what I call pulling back the curtain. I had forgotten most of the details (and some I had never known) about Mr. Brock.

Hmmm ...

There's also this eye-opener from the Drudge Report Archives.

Is this episode true? Dunno ... Even if it were, it may not be relevant.

bias, like sin, is

bias, like sin, is difficult to admit - on the left... 

the staggering pride and hubris gets in the way...

A service of the new NB respect police

"When, if ever, are

"When, if ever, are allegations about a politician's personal life newsworthy?"

According to David Brock, when the politician is a Republican/Conservative, obviously.

This is the best reporting

This is the best reporting since Rosie O'Donnell in Vanity Fair.

Bravo!

Nice work Noel. Can't wait for the book, "The Real David Brock, If There Is One" perhaps?

Some have surmised that the Clinton Dirt Merchants have the goods on Brock, and he is being blackmailed into submission. Who knows?

One interesting quote you provided (emphasis mine):


BROCK: "....My ransacking of your personal life had given your political
adversaries--who were now funding and fighting the Jones case--an
opportunity to use the legal process to finish the job that I started.
Worse still their effort to dig up sexual dirt on you was sanctioned by
the Supreme Court, which in a landmark ruling has imperiled future
presidents by making them vulnerable to character assassination in all
manner of civil suits while in office.
None of this was supposed to happen. Now that I'm living through it, I'm sure it should not have happened."


So, my only question for David Brock is this: Dead girl or live boy?

 

 

Barker,

I find it more than a little curious that Brock suddenly experienced this "epiphany" while working on a hit piece about Hillary the Hideous.

My guess is, and has been for nine years, that the Clintonistas got wind of it somehow and dug up (if not outright manufactured) something seriously juicy on this guy. 


When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.
-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.

Noel:  Good report, but

Noel:  Good report, but I'm not sure what is newsworthy here.  Brock certainly hasn't attempted to obscure his past or the reasons for his political "conversion".  Indeed, he devoted an entire book, Blinded By The Right, to the subject a few years ago.

Nor is his founding and continuing role with Media Matters any dark mystery.  Whether or not the Clintons or any of their associates were or are involved with the site, I have no idea.  Whether or not Soros or any of his organizations has provided direct or indirect funding, I don't know, (although Media Matters has consistently denied it).  Frankly, I am more interested in the end result.  If it's documented, I read it and form opinions.  It is the same process which I follow here at NewsBusters. 

I generally find the statements and claims published at MediaMatters to be authentic...the observations verifiable.  That is not to say that on occasion I haven't disagreed with certain inferences which were made, or felt that context was misinterpreted or given less weight that I thought appropriate.  [That's what bothered me about the Limbaugh "phony soldiers" flap.]  There are times when I have similar reactions to items posted here at NewsBusters.  But overall, I think both sites do a fine job.

Jer   

"Brock certainly hasn't

"Brock certainly hasn't attempted to obscure his past or the reasons
for his political "conversion". Indeed, he devoted an entire book, Blinded By The Right, to the subject a few years ago."

Actually, that's exactly what he's doing; he is blaming others for his own lack of character.

robert, did you read the

robert, did you read the book?  That's not my recollection.

Jer

Your version of "moral equivalence", Jer?

Equating MediaMatters to NewsBusters? Hilarious. In the first place, MediaMatters pushes their "opinions" without this type of open forum to question their behavior.

And the philosophical dissimilarity could not be more pronounced. NewsBusters, for example, would not have misrepresented the words of a commentator, and then refuse to change their position or defend themselves in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. It's just the latest example of their regular, systematic agenda of disinformation.

Also, it's rather convenient (and disingenuous) that you're not interested in who founded, funded, or are involved in the organization. Given The George Soros and Hillary Clinton history of radicalism, do you honestly think they would be involved in establishing an operation which did not have a strong political agenda that pursued their goals?  If you do, Jer, that's rather naive.

RJ...Who said anything

RJ...Who said anything about "moral equivalence"?  Oh, excuse me, it was you.  Actually, the only manner in which I "equated" the sites was by alluding to a couple of points of comparison:  documentation/interpretation and job performance.

However, now that you mention it, I certainly don't think it's inappropriate to note a similiarity of objectives...so it would be fair to suggest the sites might be "equated" in that sense, i.e. each pursues a similar mission but from opposite ideological perspectives.  NewsBusters seeks to expose liberal media bias.  MediaMatters seeks to expose conservative media misinformation.

You claim MediaMatters pushes their opinions "without this type of open forum to question their behavior".  You are mistaken.  They document their claims and conclusions, but, to repeat my previous comment, I believe they sometimes draw improper inferences.  Furthermore, they do indeed allow vigorous opposing viewpoints.  And, misrepresentation of a commentator's words is most often in the eye and ear of the beholder.

Finally, I would be more interested in founding and funding issues if MediaMatters [or any other site] were portraying themselves as independent non-partisan media watchdogs, yet ostensibly violating that claim of neutrality.  That's not the case with MediaMatters or NewsBusters, but we all know that.

Jer

Jer, you sound like a

Jer, you sound like a high-strung Berkeley denizen.  Noel provided excellent research re Brock.  Go Bears.

maggieqpublic: 1. 

maggieqpublic:

1.  Exactly how does a "high-strung Berkeley denizen" sound?

2.  Noel's research was indeed excellent.  I never disputed that fact.

3.  I've been a fan of the Bears since Bill Wade from my (future) alma mater was quarterback and Doug Atkins--whose hometown was not far from mine--was an all-pro defensive end.

Jer

Jer

Jer,

You're missing something extraordinarily obvious similar to most with a leftward political leaning: MRC examines bias in mainstream media outlets; MMFA spends the bulk of its time carping and whining about conservative talk radio.

See a difference, Jer -- potentially a HUGE one?

Our goal is to look at what is being presented to the masses as news by the major disseminators of such like ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, NPR, NYT, WaPo, USA Today, AP, Reuters, etc. These are supposedly news outlets relaying "facts" about current events.

By contrast, MMFA spends the bulk of its time pissing and moaning about what conservative personalities -- who are NOT news anchors or journalists, mind you! -- are offering as opinions to their viewers, listeners, and readers who VOLUNTARILY opt to patronize them.

Why is it that folks on your side of the aisle can't see the difference between a news outlet and a radio program?

To drive home the point, do you see us spending the bulk of our time complaining about what's on Air America, or what nonsense Ed Shultz is spewing? No. Want to know why?

BECAUSE THEY'RE ENTITLED TO THOSE OPINIONS, AND THEIR PROGRAMS AREN'T VEILED AS NEWS!!!

If we were the same as MMFA, the majority of our reports would be about Rachel Maddow, Thom Hartmann, Richard Greene, Cenk Uygur, and Lionel.

See many articles about them here, Jer?

Honestly, why are you missing this extraordinarily obvious distinction that my thirteen year old daughter recognizes with little prodding on my part?

I expect this inability to grasp the obvious from the idiots in the netroots, Jer, not from you! ns

Not big on nuance, huh, Jer?

I clearly said "your version" of moral equivalence, Jer, a play on words.    I suspect you "got it", but deliberately chose to pretend you didn't. 

Regardless, as I, Noel, and others have said, your attempt to put MediaMatters and NewsBusters in the same category is either naive or disingenuous.   Even when you attempt to specifically defend your equivalence claims, the best you can come up with is a non-answer.    Do you seriously intend "...they document their claims and conclusions..." to be an answer to my statement that MM has no open, viewable forum to allow challenge, as NB has?  Come on, Jer.  That's weak.

And your continued assertion that you don't care who founded or operates MediaMatters is just silly.  If you really mean that, it marks you as not serious.  Unlike NewsBusters, MediaMatters was founded and operates with a specific political agenda, which is intended to aid certain candidates and push specific goals.   That makes the identity of the founders and current operators significant.

Finally, in a clear demonstration that MediaMatters is a political action organization, driven by specific political goals:  on their Home Page, they urge readers to Take Action.   "Contact your local Limbaugh radio station" they shout.   Readers can also click on a section to learn "How to call in to a talk radio show", "How to write a great letter to the editor", etc, etc. 

Yeah, Jer.  MediaMatters is just like NewsBusters.

Wrong again, RJ...I'm very

Wrong again, RJ...I'm very big on "nuance", even bigger on the plain meaning of words, and further confess to a deep attachment for the practice of framing responses in accordance with the actual statements of their author, instead of to unsupported--and unsupportable--conjecture.

I "got" what you said in your initial post.  I read it without difficulty.  Maybe you should have read mine a bit more closely, for there was nothing that related to my, or anyone else's version of a "moral equivalency" between the sites.  You proceed to compound your error with the use of a flawed claim ("equating sites") in support of this misperception.

Once again, the only comparison I made in my original post was an observation that both sites do a fine job and induce [in me] the same process of analysis.  I do not equate one site with the other, or suggest a moral equivalency.

Nor do I do so in my follow-up post, although I admittedly note some similarities.  So what?  I'm comfortable with that opinion.  If you're not, that's fine.  You have listed some distinctions, some of which I think are valid, others not necessarily.  MediaMatters does permit challenges to whatever material it publishes.  There are a number of conservative commenters who do so, frequently and fiercely.  Plus, they provide substantial documentation of their claims and issue corrections.  However, I will say one more time that I don't always agree with their analyses and inferences, but your charge they are merely "pushing opinions" is way off the mark.

If I think there is a hidden agenda or duplicitous behavior in play at any particular site, then my curiosity level regarding behind the scenes activity and organization becomes seriously elevated.  Unless or until that occurs, I have only a superficial interest.

Jer

Hey Jer...

What do you think of my long-held opinion that for some reason -- perhaps because both sites are so-partisan but that'll induce attacks from either side saying they're fair -- Media Matters AND NewsBusters often tend to do a poor job covering (hell, noticing!) antilibertarian bias? This has been my unpopular thesis around here for a while, and I tend to find lots of examples of it, some of which people like and many of which they don't.

I suspect if I had the time/inclination to inhabit Media Matters' comment areas (yes, RJ, if you go look they do exist...) they'd have a similarly-bad reaction to my idea that they're not doing a particularly good job of covering antilibertarian bias, either. It's as if there's an intellectual & political vacuum in the USA when it comes to antilibertarian media bias, and it sadly reflects the agendas of both this country's major political parties in our system, rather than reflecting the truth about the news media's political-agenda problems.

Clearly, this is a vacuum which can only be filled if the Florida Lotto rolls over a number of times to the point that it's worth-playing, and then sarcasmo wins it. ;) A lotto-win would cause me to have the money to do what first conservatives and then Hillary (if we're to believe her and not MediaMatters!) apparently did. I'd want to form my own anti-media-bias-group that sees bias issues through my own consistently anti-state agendas, rather than just a right-wing or just a left-wing political agenda. Our libertarian agenda wouldn't be hidden or duplicitous, though, so we'd have to discover another way to make you curious about us, and avoid only superficial interest.
JMR

Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul.

Sarc, I largely agree with

Sarc, I largely agree with what I gather is the core premise of your argument--that libertarianism tends to suffer from a pronounced media bias.  But I think rather than it being born out of active hostility or an invidious prejudice against libertarians by the punditry class, it might be more appropriately characterized as a function of benign neglect. 

The reason this is so, at least in my view, lies in the very nature of contemporary libertarian philosophy.  Although it no doubt attracts a far greater number of conservative adherents, it is still a party with a hybrid philosophy, which--and this is the critical factor--is drawn from opposing constituencies. 

Understand, when I say "hybrid" philosophy, that is by no means implying any inherent inconsistenty in political conviction.  In fact, I think libertarians can rightfully boast of an intellectual consistency and ideological integrity found lacking in both of the major parties. 

But there is a price to pay in some very fundamental areas.  One of these is lack of media attention.  On the right for example, would Rush Limbaugh risk alienating a sizable number of his audience by boosting the candidacy of a Republican who advocates the foreign policy positions of Dr. Paul, or libertarian views regarding the role of the state vis-a-vis individual morality.  On the other hand, liberal pundits will naturally recoil from an economic theory which rejects governmental regulation and would dismantle the social welfare state. 

So, libertarianism is something of a political orphan, squeezed between the two goliaths on its left and right, dismissed by both, and marginalized by the media--whose current interest is only piqued by the expectation of getting a good sound bite from Dr. Paul's heretical i.e. un-Republican foreign policy statements.  They could care less what he thinks about the economy.

Jer

 

 

Thanks for the laugh, Jer

You spent considerable time insisting that you "get" nuance, and then proved again, quite clearly, that you don't.  Ah, well....

In your original post you attempted to defend MediaMatters, and you also mentioned NewsBusters...twice.  You may try to hide behind the camouflage that you didn't make or intend the comparison, but it ran throughout your post and was reinforced in later posts.

Your refusal to admit that MediaMatters exists as an action arm of Soros, Clinton, et al, is puzzling, and is probably due to, as Hillary said, "the willing suspension of disbelief."   In any event, I've clearly documented (in their "take action" section, for example) how that's true. 

To objective observers, it's clear that NewsBusters functions primarily as a forum on the news media, while MediaMatters functions primarily as an attack machine, focused on conservative commentators.   Their behavior over the obviously phony Limbaugh attack proves that conclusively.   That MM "permits challenges" doesn't make them any less an attack machine.   

(And, sarky, I said they have no "open, viewable forum to allow challenge, as NB has"  not, "no comment areas")   ;^>

Omigosh RJ, you're RIGHT!

Omigosh RJ, you're RIGHT!....

I only mentioned NewsBusters twice while mentioning MediaMatters three times!  How could I have been so unfair.  I suppose a typical liberal lack of balanced coverage.  Wait a minute....

NewsBusters, NewsBusters, NewsBusters, NewsBusters, NewsBusters, NewsBusters, NewsBusters, NewsBusters, NewsBusters, NewsBusters, NewBusters, NewsBusters... 

There now, feel better?

Plus, I guess it was pretty insensitive of me to opine that "both sites do a fine job".  That, coupled with my observation that MediaMatters, oops, I mean that other site sometimes misinterprets context and makes improper inferences as in the Limbaugh "phony soldiers" case, obviously were woefully inadequate in conveying the sense of what real dirtbags they are.  On the other hand, you're free to go tell them yourself.  I've read plenty of negative remarks about them from conservatives in their comments section.  As for your assertion that the primary function of NB is to provide a forum on the news media, I haven't rechecked the mission statement, but my recollected impression is that NB's main goal is to expose liberal media bias.  But I'll take another look.

In any event, glad you found my previous posts "hilarious" and made you "laugh".  I recently noticed a claim that 'laughter' can add [is it] five years to a person's life?..(get a pet and tack on seven more).  You should appreciate my valuable service in keeping guys like you around to torment liberals for years to come.

In fact, I even find myself forcing the occasional ironic smile (in disbelief) at some of your comments.  So, maybe that will be good for at least a couple more years added to my lifespan. 

But, hey, RJ, I'm in a good mood...I like NewsBusters, I like Noel, and, heck, I even like you.  Why don't we just let it go at that.

Jer

Omigosh, Jer! Did you morph into Space Cowboy?

...meds, Jer, meds...   ;^>

RJ,

Certainly not.

Jer is the best thing we have going on this blog from the "other " side.

Space (fka Johnbo) isn't even here, here.

Sorry, didn't mean to bust your conversation....but....Jer is the absolute best liberal on this site. 

I'd take him to lunch...if I could. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

It was a joke, Blonde

Space Cowboy (Johnbo) showed up on another thread a little earlier.

It seemed appropriate to make the connection to Jer's spaced-out post.   :^)

Blonde, Spaced-out Cowpie is back?


When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.
-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.

B

spacely has been here today, still a sprocket short of keeping time

"Television is where you watch people in your living room that you would not want near your house."       Groucho

It's a date, Blonde...would

It's a date, Blonde...would love to have lunch sometime.  Just don't make me eat crow.

Jer

Jer,

LOL-Watch out for those Bacardi & Cokes.

They have a way of sneaking up on ya, IYKWIM.

God knows they have caught me a few times. Er, okay, a whole bunch of times. :-)


When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.
-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.

Dave R, my drinking days

Dave R, my drinking days are so far behind me, there wouldn't be any "sneaking up" involved.  The first one would be a brain hammer.

Jer

Jer,

Be careful, as Blonde can be quite persuasive. LOL.

Class act, she is.

And yeah, my partying days are pretty much history as well. Dammit.


When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.
-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.

No prob, Jer.

You are the best thing that's happened  here lately. 

You represent the "other side" very well. 

 I respect you for your considered posts, here.

 So yes, I'll take you to lunch, or dinner.  I admire you.   

Truly.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Gosh, Blonde... Maybe we

Gosh, Blonde...

Maybe we should go get a [chat]room or something.

Seriously, thanks for the kind words.

Jer

No prob, Jer

I know you see me as a trollbuster...here.

But it is such a pleasure to have an opposite POV...which you do provide.  And nicely, I might add.

You have been such a breath of fresh air...I'm sure you suspect all of us conserve's are idiots...but seriously, Jer...

Most of "you" on the other side step into this board and get trollish.  You, on the other hand, would be my friend in real life.  Seriously.

I don't like your ideas...or some of your positions, but I adore you as a person. 

 You're one of the "good guys", Jer. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Is there proof that MM acts

Is there proof that MM acts as an arm of Clinton?

Yes, in addition to her recent statements about assisting

in their founding, a number of additonal in-depth linkages have been posted here...but I'm not going to go searching for it...knowing you, it would be an absolute waste of time. 

 

Yeah, 'cause I probably

Yeah, 'cause I probably wouldn't believe the links.

Exactly, bal....

You never do...

RJ,

Is it just me...or has Bal become totally invisible here?  The snarky comments don't even register w/ me any longer.

Sorry bal....if you would like to remain relevant...you must try harder. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Well, lord knows my goal in

Well, lord knows my goal in life is to be relevant in your eyes. I feel so empty otherwise.

Predictible is the word, Blonde

...and that makes him irrelevant and invisible...

Bal

arm? is that what Bill calls it these days?

"Television is where you watch people in your living room that you would not want near your house."       Groucho

Jer

Jer,

I'm sincerely sorry you didn't learn anything new from this 3,325-word piece that included four citations from ten years ago, and one from nine years ago, that have all largely slipped under the radar since first being published or broadcast.

I promise to try harder to meet your expectations in the future. ns

Noel, there are relatively

Noel, there are relatively few things in this world of which I am absolutely, unconditionally certain.  Nevertheless, I am supremely confident "my expectations" will never influence any material you may choose to present at NewsBusters.

Look, I said it was a good article, but maybe I should have further acknowledged its usefulness in fleshing out some details in Brock's career. I guess my point was that most of this was already in the public domain and Brock had in no way been attempting to conceal the details of his metamorphosis.  And, frankly, I have heard a fair number of media references to it.

So, please don't take my comments personally.  They were just my general observations.  But I do wonder just how often, and how effusively, I must praise your efforts and contributions here, and defend your integrity, before you recognize the depth of my respect for you.  And, at the risk of revealing the occasional thiness of my own skin, I don't recall a single "thankyou" or even the mildest compliment in return. 

Jer

Jer

Jer,

Without revealing the possible thinness of my own skin, Jer, are you suggesting I should thank you for your criticisms?

If that's the case, without any malice intended, you better be patient, for I've got hate-mail dating back years requiring my expression of gratitude that are WAY ahead of you. :-) ns

Noel, about your hate mail.

I think it would be really cool (and probably entertaining as hell) if you were to post some of your best hate mail (or portions thereof) here once in a while.

Boortz does it all the time, and I'll bet you get some that is of the same caliber of lunacy that he does. Maybe more so.


When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.
-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.

Deal, Noel?

I'll make a deal with you Noel.  You review my posted comments to you and compile examples of the very worst criticisms I have supposedly directed at you, and I will retrieve the complimentary remarks I have made to or about you, and, after comparing them, you can tell me where I stand in relation to the purveyors of "hate mail" you mentioned.

Jer

Jer

Jer,

With all due respect, don't you think we BOTH have better things to do?

Let me be more precise with my query: Should the wishes and needs of my children, wife, fans, employees, clients, and friends be subordinate to what you have herein proposed?  ns

The Lieon King

David Brocks favorite song - "Circle of Life" - or how I went from liberal to conservative to liberal again.

"Time's fun when you're having flies."

-Kermit the Frog

My first thought.....

on seeing the picture: Nancy Pelosi's twin, separated at birth.

Zelig Brock

Brock sounds like the Woody Allen's eponymous character Zelig. Brock is whatever you want him to be.  I wonder if he is learning Chinese just in case?  Is a conversion to Islam in the cards?

VALUELESS...

I don't believe Brock has any real core values, he's a hired gun, open to the highest bidder. With Clinton's support & Soros money, he's open for buisiness.

I must say MMFA is a site I hit almost everyday, I love seeing the things those wacky kids think about the media & society. It's scary & amusing all at once.

"Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise"  Mark Levin

Well, Brock has exposed himself

He is a weathervane who will "join" whatever group that he feels will make him the most $$ and get him the most noteriety(which will make hime even more $$).

He also exposes the new journalism - it's all about you're own personal point of view and getting that out and validated in your work. Apparently the school of journalism at Berkley taught Brock that political ideology is the primary importance in deciding what and how to cover any story.



The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Fred08.com

Well, Brock has exposed himself....

c5,

LMAO-According to some of the rumors flying around the net back when he flipped, you may be more correct here than you realize.

When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.

The zealot

The zealot changes; the addiction remains.

Excellent work here, great

Excellent work here, great information about the trials of Brock, such as they are.

I read or heard, maybe both, on different outlets long long ago about Brock and his sharp turn to the left...I heard/read that Hillary had some goods on him and was just basically black-mailing him..it had to do with him being gay, a lover, and both of them being set up with a lot of goodies for a pay-off. (I can't remember if Sidney Bloomenthal was involved yet, he may have been but no one knew who he was yet) if this was or is true, you would think it would of come out more by now though...(although some people who may be in the know may have Fort Marcy Park on their minds.

Nevertheless...this is what really gets me (among a lot of the great quotes you have by this self-aggrandizing man) ....

And, of course, Paula Jones begat Monica Lewinsky. Surveying the wreckage my report has wrought four years later, I've asked myself over and over: What the hell was I doing investigating your private life in the first place?

.....and of course Paula begat Monica???? Is he nuts? Bill Clinton begat Monica you simpleton...years and years later...the saga continues.

Brock thinks his reporting was/is soooo important that he and only he really was the cause of his impeachment in the long run...that is where that statement would have to lead to with a conclusion. If he hadn't reported all of the news about Trooper-Gate and a woman named Paula all of the slutty filthy things the ex Impeached President did and had done since would not of ever been known.

Talk about being egotistical without a good reason Brock fits the bill perfectly.

I will always believe that Hillary and black-mail had everything to do with Brock's sharp turn...it fits her profile.

Of course all of this begat Media Matters with Hill, Soros and all the other ties.

Brock ought to be so proud of himself everytime he sees his reflection in the mirror...somebody has to be. 

Hillary and her crowd leave

Hillary and her crowd leave me with the impression that they have FBI-style files on every major politician (friend and foe) and member of the media.  At least that would explain why our Republican congressmen don't go out of their way to pick a fight with her.

Organized Crime

I agree in concept, but I think the fear stems not from an FBI style threat but one more like an organized crime threat. If you cross them, they will go out of their way to ‘kill’ you politically if you are a politician, and to cut you off from your supply chain (i.e. interviews) if you don’t do as exactly as they say and pay them (i.e. positive press) regularly.

Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"

So our Hillary is

So our Hillary is channeling the Godfather instead of J. Edgar Hoover…  That makes sense to me, and it would explain the palpable fear.

Well, the thing about

Well, the thing about hitmen, is they'll do their work for anyone who's offering to pay them...

Brock and Britney?

Both are heading towards a train wreck -- both are insecure, have been "treated", can't look away from the lights and glitz, are being used by so-called friends -- shush! I think I hear the train coming ...