NYT Front Page Shocker: Ethanol Causing Rise in World Hunger

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Here's something you don't see every day on the front page of a major American newspaper: an article about how the rising demand for ethanol has sent corn and grain prices so high that it's resulted in more people around the world going hungry.

Even more shocking: the article in question was on the front page of Saturday's New York Times.

In a piece entitled "As Prices Soar, U.S. Food Aid Buys Less," author Celia W. Dugger shockingly presented the dirty little secret about soon-to-be-Nobel Laureate Al Gore's grand solution for manmade global warming that NewsBusters has been writing about for months while most in the media remained silent (emphasis added, h/t Glenn Reynolds):

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Soaring food prices, driven in part by demand for ethanol made from corn, have helped slash the amount of food aid the government buys to its lowest level in a decade, possibly resulting in more hungry people around the world this year.

The United States, the world's dominant donor, has purchased less than half the amount of food aid this year that it did in 2000, according to new data from the Department of Agriculture.

[...]

Corn prices have fallen in recent months, but are still far higher than they were a year ago. Demand for ethanol has also indirectly driven the rising price of soybeans, as land that had been planted with soybeans shifted to corn. And wheat prices have skyrocketed, in large part because drought hurt production in Australia, a major producer, economists say.

The higher food prices have not only reduced the amount of American food aid for the hungry, but are also making it harder for the poorest people to buy food for themselves, economists and advocates for the hungry say.

[...]

The impact of rising food prices on food aid is part of a broader debate about the long-term impact on the world's poorest people of using food crops to make ethanol and other biofuels, a strategy that rich countries like the United States hope will eventually reduce dependence on Middle Eastern oil.

With ethanol being less efficient, harsher to the ozone, and a bigger greenhouse gas emitter than fossil fuels, when you factor in its inflationary impact on food and the associated destruction of rainforests across the globe, there is no question that this biofuel experiment has been a dismal failure.

Yet, with very few exceptions, global warming obsessed media have been reluctant to expose the flaws in this over-hyped panacea.

Does this Times piece represent a sea change? Or, is one front-page article on a Saturday nothing to get too excited about?

Regardless of the future media impact, Congress is indeed scheduled to debate a new farm bill before the end of the year. With the current high price of gasoline, irrespective of all the other components of this issue, it seemed likely that few legislators would want to bring up anything that could appear to go against the conventional wisdom surrounding ethanol.

Since few press outlets have reported the negative aspects of biofuels, most Americans probably think gas prices would be higher if not for the current federal requirements for ethanol blends.

Yet, if the Times is willing to expose this issue, and members of Congress are aware of it, maybe this subject will appear less of a third rail in the upcoming months.

Stay tuned.

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.


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Why not

In this same story, investigate the US agricultural policy of paying farmers not to grow any crops to help support the prices? If this policy were ended, maybe more corn could be grown and the prices dropped back to more affordable levels?

Or would that be too much like journalism for the NYT?



The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Fred08.com

Excellent find Noel, the case against Ethanol is overwhelming

Biofuels:

"There is no sound public policy reason for mandating the use of ethanol.” - Hillary Clinton, 2002

Give me a break - Oil Prices (Video) (5min) (John Stossel, 20/20)
Myth: Corn Ethanol is Great (Video) (5min) (John Stossel, 20/20)

Alternative Fuels Comparison Chart (PDF) (Popular Mechanics)
Biofuels could lead to mass hunger deaths: U.N. envoy (Reuters)
Carbon Mitigation by Biofuels or by Saving and Restoring Forests? (Science)

QUOTE (Science)

The carbon sequestered by restoring forests is greater than the emissions avoided by the use of the liquid biofuels.

Ethanol And Biodiesel From Crops Not Worth The Energy (Science Daily)

QUOTE (Science Daily)

Turning plants such as corn, soybeans and sunflowers into fuel uses much more
energy than the resulting ethanol or biodiesel generates, according to
a new Cornell University and University of California-Berkeley study.

Fuel Comparison Chart (Community Fuels)

QUOTE

Diesel = 128,000-130,000 BTUs, Gasoline = 109,000-125,000 BTUs, Ethanol = 80,000 BTUs

Jane Goodall says biofuel crops hurt rain forests (Reuters)
OECD warns against biofuels subsidies (Financial Times, UK)
Rapeseed biofuel ‘produces more greenhouse gas than oil or petrol’ (Times Online, UK)
Top scientist says biofuels are scam (Times Online, UK)

Biodiesel - Biodiesel Won't Drive Down Global Warming (Science Daily)

QUOTE (Science Daily)

EU legislation to promote the uptake of biodiesel will not make any
difference to global warming, and could potentially result in greater
emissions of greenhouse gases than from conventional petroleum derived
diesel.

Biodiesel - Orang-utans home destroyed for bio-diesel (Telegraph.co.uk)
Ethanol - Clearing the air on ethanol (Environmental Science and Technology)

QUOTE (Environmental Science and Technology)

New research predicts that E85 vehicle emissions could cause just as many deaths as gasoline, or more.

Ethanol - Ethanol: Myths and Realities (BusinessWeek)

QUOTE (BusinessWeek)

Ethanol can't travel in pipelines along with gasoline, because it picks up
excess water and impurities. Also, ethanol contains less energy than
gas. That means drivers have to make more frequent trips to the pump.

Ethanol - Fuel Ethanol Cannot Alleviate U.S. Dependence On Petroleum (Science Daily)
Ethanol - Study: Ethanol Won't Solve Energy Problems (USAToday)

QUOTE (USAToday)

Ethanol is far from a cure-all for the nation's energy problems. It's not as
environmentally friendly as some supporters claim and would supply only
12 percent of U.S. motoring fuel even if every acre of corn were used.

Ethanol - Test results: E85 vs. gasoline (Consumer Reports)
Ethanol - The ethanol myth (Consumer Reports)

QUOTE (Consumer Reports)

E85, which is 85 percent ethanol, provides fewer miles per gallon, costs more, and is hard to find outside the Midwest.

 

The Anti "Man-Made" Global Warming Resource

While we're on the subject...

Please note that all of the above, while demonstrably true, are based on an oil-company style model.

Huge agribusiness turned to the raw material production, the huge fermenting and distilling plants, massive nitrogen fertilizer use, enormous transportation infrastructure, removal of land for fuel instead of food, etc., etc.

I would like to postulate that an average American home could process, ferment, and distill enough fuel-grade ethanol from household waste, using waste heat from HVAC systems, hot water heaters, even air conditioners, to make a substantial reduction in the need for oil-based fuel.

Yes. I'm suggesting that you operate a 'still', use your food waste, yard waste and a pound of deregulated sugar and make your own 100 gallons of 'home-brew' motor fuel.

The problem? There isn't going to be any 'biofuels bucks bonanza' for anyone. No huge profits, no enormous stock offerings, pipeline contracts (if you can figure out how to pipe ethanol), no use of foodstuffs, no nitrogen fertilizers addin NO2 to the greenhouse equation...

It's not the biofuels. It's 'who gets to profit' problem.

The negatives are being manufactured based on a 'big-business' model that just won't work.

Now the 'small-business' or even 'hobbyist' model...?

(edited after a phone call from a friend)

...And I now understand that if you make your ethanol with care and proper equipment, then store your surplus in charred, American oak barrels under certain conditions... a beverage can be recovered as well! Fancy that!

BTU Rating?

How does that deal with the lower BTU rating of Ethanol?

The Anti "Man-Made" Global Warming Resource

Let's see. Having made beer

Let's see. Having made beer and wine. To make your own fuel from waste. 1st you're going to have a huge vat. Keep your garbage sorted and keep out anything that might kill the yeast. Like iodized salt. (Iodine kills yeast. Did those canned lima beans contain iodized salt?) Then. You have to add a lot of water to make your brew. (Isn't there a supposed water problem?) And you have to let the yeast do its job. Which means keeping the concoction warm in winter as the yeast will go dormant. (Made that mistake once making mead.) And of course a lot of people will be complaining about the smell and air quality. Or what to do with the scum. Or scruggs. As this isn't for drinking you can leave out the secondary fermentation but you'll lose some of the potential energy available. (Aren't we supposed to milk out every ounce of energy.) The Primary fermentation alone will take about 3-5 days. If you do the secondary fermentation, that's another week and a half to to three weeks.

Then you have to distill it. As most of it is water. Of course you'll have to use energy to distill. Unless you have a solar heater, hydro electric, wind mill or nuke plant. You'll be burning carbon to distill.

But hey. You can save on the cost of oak barrels. This isn't for drinking. Your car doesn't care about the oakie flavor.

5 gallons of beer or a gallon of wine was a lot of loving work. Without distilling.

How many gallons of gas do you use a week?

Then EPA will probably get on your case. Yeast consumes the starches and sugars in kitchen waste. And eliminate two substances. Alcohol which can be used as fuel. And guess what else. Good old carbon dioxide.. And understand the state of california is already getting on bakeries. And bread produces a lot less CO2.

I want to watch this parade. It'll be funnier than Penn and Teller with the selected environmentalist.

As a former home brewer. I didn't make beer to save on the cost of beer. It is a little less costly. But a hell of a lot of work. Rather I made it for the quality and varity. 

 

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

Danbo , great post.

I once considered building a vehicle based on an RV that would use chicken manure in tanks onboard that would produce methane gas for the engine. Seems some nut in England did this in the '70's. I'd be sure to park it next to a Cadillac, but to be serious, there just isn't enough BTU's in household waste to produce the energy needed. Heating systems are now 82%+ efficient, any more and the by products of combustion would be in your basement killing you.

We need to be conservative with energy, double up on insulation , get a better hot tub cover and drive AT THE SPEED LIMIT.

I making some wine right now and that yeast is just chomping away at the sugar turning it into alcohol and producing CO2. But I never drink and drive so I'm helping the enviroment :).

There are some bio fuels

There are some bio fuels that will work, provided you're willing to put the work in it for it to work. As bio diesel. But bio diesel works because you're using something no one wants and give it away. If everone wants to drive on old deep frier oil. There isn't enough.

At the end of WWII, Germany was put in a position to have to run it's war machine on ethnol. As a result a lot of people starved.

Unfortunately the bio fuel is a poorly thought out dream of people with little sense of reality. All for a problem that probably exist only computers.

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

BTW I used to make a nice

BTW I used to make a nice tomato wine. Was a lot like a nice chard. (White.) It did have an after taste. If you didn't say tomato. The drinker couldn't place. 

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

Three words, heldmyw:

Three words, heldmyw: economy of scale.

"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan

That is a great piece!

Admittedly from the National Corn Growers Association, it is a happy story, but does show a lot of hype to be just that...hype!

Also. In farming, if prices rise, farmers tend to want to profit (wow!) and in the next couple of years, I would not be surprised at all to see the acreage under cultivation for biofuel stocks to increase markedly, reducing prices.

(That free-market thing... capitalism and all.)

I wonder what reduced 'no-grow' farm subsidies would do...?

Reduced?

Imagine no subsidies at all. Only part of this problem is leftist hype, IMO the other part is idiotic political subsidies by those who deeply-distrust free markets.
JMR

Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul.

Not to mention, waisting time

Maybe we would be looking elsewhere at real solutions if the NYT would had published these predicted results 1-2yrs ago? More shoddy/bias reporting and liberal politicians creating more problems then it solves.

Give me a break

Wow, so corn farmers are doing well thanks to government subsidized ethanol production. This is economics 101, ask yourself why Ethanol cannot compete without subsidizes in the market?

Simple after you factor in the cost to produce Ethanol + the lower BTU rating which means lower MPG for cars it cannot compete with oil.

I do not want to use a fuel that reduces my MPG from 21 to 15 MPG and costs MORE.

Ethanol - Test results: E85 vs. gasoline (Consumer Reports)

That is only E85 (85% ethanol) not pure ethanol which would be even worse.

There is a simple reason we use oil and gas = it is efficient and cheap. (now of course instead of being simply logical this statement must mean I work for exxon)

 

The Anti "Man-Made" Global Warming Resource

Costs more...bunk.

Ethanol as a fuel only costs more when you attribute the total costs of growing the corn used in ethanol production and treat the process as if ethanol were the only product of the process. That is simply not the case.

For that matter, come back to me about the cost issue when you factor in the cost of the US Military, and all the other government expenditures and tax breaks and such that big oil gets.

BTU Adjusted Price

Adjust the cost of Ethanol for it's BTU rating and it's luster fades fast:

Fuel Gauge Report: E85 BTU Adjusted Price (AAA)


Regular:
$2.800

E85: $3.048 (BTU adjusted)

And that is subsidized!

"Big Oil" has nothing to do with the US Military.

 

The Anti "Man-Made" Global Warming Resource

I'm glad that the Times is recognizing ONE problem with ethanol

(out of many)...but there was not one word or hint in the article that government subsidies and mandates CAUSED the problem in the first place.

NYT's

 Who ever got the story in there in the first place was probably lucky to get that. Let alone the whole story..god forbid they say that Al's solutions are flawed, and his panic speech has swayed the government to throw the levers of mandates unbalencing the whole supply and demand for certain basic commodities thereby driving up prices for damn near everything! Kudo's to the Government for screwing it up again!

"When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat"         R. Reagan

More Lies Posted Here

From Popular Tech's flat world repeat postings on bio fuels which are plants from banking oil cartel funding to this current fabrication of the Times being left by Newsbusters unchallenged does a disservice to readers who depend upon this site for facts.

First for example PT uses the term BTU's to show ethanol is "less" than diesel which is hillarious as ethanol is not being used to heat homes in engines as that is where BTU's are measured as British Thermal Units in the energy stored in and then released. Even if ethanol can be shown to provide less horsepower it does not make it a "disaster" as the propaganda from the oil companies tries to imply here. It only means less horsepower might be generated.
OH AND FOR THE UNINFORMED, the early Ford vehicles were all made to burn straight alcohol and there was never a "disaster" ever quoted in using this fuel by Ford or the government.

It was only when the oil producers gained control that diesel and gas replaced traditional fuels. For the record Mr. Diesel CREATED HIS ENGINE TO RUN ON VEGETABLE OIL and it was changed on his death to use less efficient diesel.

Not giving readers these facts nor explaining there is no corelation between starving people and corn prices. (Corn flour is WHITE CORN and not genetic hybrid corn) Along with the fact that traders in Chicago set price according the daily trade rates set in London BY THE BANKING AND OIL CARTELS for oil prices is what gears all of this.

I explained here before that crop niche in America for the most part IS NOT INTERCHANGEABLE. By this Kansas, Nebrasaka, Dakotas and Montana are wheat production areas in large due to the arid nature and short growing seasons corn or beans do not grow there. In the same way areas which produce vegetables will not resort to lesser crops like corn and beans as they do not generate what lettuce and spinach does.
The corn and bean belt always produces corn and beans. Even with fertilizer WHICH ARE FROM OIL, ground can be "beaned out". Meaning soil is depleted when constantly under the same crop cultivation. Nature abhores same crops and crop rotation is mandatory.......which means that beans and corn are rotated in and out yearly.

American corn and beans are not "food items" as they are genetic engineered for oil and bi products. Food soybeans and corn are different crops all together........just like you don't load up the 747 to mow your lawn you do not put the lawnmower with airmail bags on it to fly to Chicago.

So explain what propaganda is being generated by the oil and banking cartels to keep rural Americans from gaining wealth and being an independent threat to their global order and explain that world markets are set by these same cartels in buying "FUTURES" and they never buy or see one bushel of corn. It is all paper and is meant to make profits off of other people's labor and keep them poor.

Newsbusters not once had one story in the past 2 years about non break even prices on farm goods in the cereal grains. Farmers struggled in family operations as that is who raises cereal grains and not the corporate poultry, swine, dairy and vegetable operations. Now that these Americans which were impoverished for the past 40 years are actually paying off debt........gee it becomes a huge problem that bio fuels are being created as they were traditionally in America.

I will repeat the economics lesson which I posted before. Oil money goes to oil states and into oil banks OUT OF YOUR POCKET and never returns except in military contracts.
Bio fuels like all created wealth STAYS IN AMERICA. Those farmers spend the money locally and on American products. This in turn pays for the services of your job which you are working at and gives you a raise in pay as the money stays local and in America.

It astounds me the literal ignorance and the people who will literally cut their own financial throats thinking bio fuels are "bad" and yet have no problem buying South American food at inflated prices and dumping oil into OPEC and oil companies coffers.

THINK AMERICA. It is not that difficult to follow the economics and stop repeating propaganda as it comes down to the question:

Do you want money in America in your accounts or do you want money in European banks buying oil?

It should be simple to figure out.

 

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Lame Cherry sounds like ThoughtPolice

Same kind of random, convoluted, leftist "logic."

For example: "American corn and beans are not "food items" as they are genetic engineered for oil and bi products. Food soybeans and corn are different crops all together........just like you don't load up the 747 to mow your lawn you do not put the lawnmower with airmail bags on it to fly to Chicago."

What a load of crap that has nothing to do with reality.  Of course, he completely ignores that plantings are being changed from food crops to bio crops to take advantage of government subsidies.   He completely ignores ethanol's major environmental problems, documented over and over here .  He ignores that ethanol is a lousy fuel and has serious distribution problems.   He ignores that ethanol could not make it without being government mandated. 

Ethanol is an "enviromentalist" feel-good reaction to phony anthropogenic global warming and would not be used in America if it weren't for government mandates and government subsidies.

RJ

without govt interference ANWR would be producing like Saudi and ethanol would laughable

Supreme Court,  National Security,  Borders,  Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.

I live in Alaska and have for over 50 years...

and I can tell you that the pipeline was the best thing that ever happened up here. They claimed that the pipeline would disrupt the lives of the Caribou and cause devestation. While contruction was happening, the population went up...and continued to.

I hear there are ads showing stateside that show waterfalls and Elk, (we don't have Elk) and beautiful mountains when talking about stopping drilling in ANWR. There are no waterfalls or mountains up there. Just the most bug infested Tundra you ever saw in your life. Why do the Caribou go there to give birth? Cause nothing lives there except the damn bugs. Wolves follow them there for the event but they get the hell out when the Caribou go.

The greenies are so far up the oil folks...business up there that they freak when a 1 quart oil spill happens. Trust me , they're on it. Spills are inevitable, but they are cleaned up pronto. They have a bunch o' folks up there whose soul purpose is to bust BP or whoever for spillin' anything.

It has recently come to light that the pollutants that the use of bio-fuels is supposed to reduce actually produce far more than those from conventional sources. So much for that load of crap. (This was well known but covered up by the usual suspects. The truth finally came out though as truth often does.) Oh...and that comes from the London Times, not some "lackey of the Oil Industry."Happy Trails...

army brat

Gasp you mean trees don't grow where the sun is down for six months? 

Supreme Court,  National Security,  Borders,  Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.

One Picture says it all.

Great post.

Army Brat

I read that wildlife is abundant around Prudhoe Bay because of the diverisity of man made terrain including pipelines that bears use to traverse that area and platforms that the birds love for fishing. Word has it that ANWR is an old NORAD base full of junk and the wildfile avoid it.

 

norton

click on the link just above and scroll around there are pictures of the caribou in abundance around the pipeline.  The pipeline provides some heat and some shelter the caribou like it and say thank-you.

Yes, you are even more annoying than Blonde.  the EYE

It has some value,

The point isn't the amount of energy in equaled parts of fuel, the real problem I see is the amount it uses to be made. You pretty much need to use half of what is made to make more? Not saying it is a complete waist, just saying we need to work on the processes.

The agriculture lesson was interesting as well, but farmers already rotate their crops, and they do it in organized fashion. Their is a market for X=amount of product, call it diversifying.

Their could also be a lot more "oil money" staying right here in the USA as well. Considering what we are paying for fuel their is very little reason there isnt.

One of the best things I have noticed about the Bio Fuels are coming from the by products. Seems that some of the products resembling plastics and vinyl are completely biodegradable. These products will be great for short life products.

You must factor in the BTU rating

You cannot ignore the BTU rating since you need it to understand the real market value. People need to understand you have to factor this in when determining the cost. If I can only go 150 miles on a tank of E85 that I could go 210 miles on a tank of gas then the cost difference must be offset since I will be filling up more to go the same distance. Even with subsidies Ethanol is less cost effective then gas.

Fuel Gauge Report: E85 BTU Adjusted Price (AAA)

Regular:
$2.800

E85: $3.048 (BTU adjusted)

This is why we are not using it already. People who do not understand this will be suckered into buying it. If gas got expensive enough alternatives like Ethanol would automatically come to market to compete. Who would not want to sell fuel to every automobile drive in the United States? Instead we are suckered into paying more for a crappier product simply so enviros can "feel good".

The Anti "Man-Made" Global Warming Resource

The next thing that I'll

The next thing that I'll hear is that BTU's have no effect on a fuels energy output. Koo koo for CoCo puffs.

RJ you summed up the issue well...

Ahh the dream of being green like Kermit... 

Even if you can efficiently refine crops into ethanol (which you cannot, refining it consumes more energy than it saves) you are still left with the transport problem (that you alluded to) from flyover country to the population centers on both coasts; ethanol is transported by barge, truck or rail...NOT PIPELINE. 

For all the greenies out there, call a bulk fuel transport company and find out how much it would cost to ship a truckload from say, Omaha Ne. to Boston, Mass. Please be sitting when you do it (the answer is at the bottom). 

Finally, like anything else the government deems necessary to stick their nose in, the futures market for Ethanol in 2005 was about 1.20 /gal. Today it bounces around anywhere from $2.25 to $2.75/ gal. As for mandated ethanol additives to gasoline, it adds about 20 cents to the overall cost. So much for bringing down the cost of filling the Oldsmobile.

Ignoring the remaining fossil fuel reserves under our own sovereign territory while embarking on this "feel good" mission of sticking corn in the gas tank for AGW sake is maddening.

And yes ethanol production IS driving up the cost of basic food items in this country. That is an undisputed fact that a phone call to any food processor or wholesale distributor procurement department anywhere in this country would be glad to answer. We guys in the food biz track that stuff.

 

By the way the answer to the quiz question above is $2080 give or take 100.  

The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.  ~ Unknown

Consumer Reports is a Plant for Oil Cartels?

Does anyone really buy your nutty talk? Do you even look at the sources before you spout pages of rhetoric?

Ethanol - Test results: E85 vs. gasoline (Consumer Reports)
Ethanol - The ethanol myth (Consumer Reports)

QUOTE (Consumer Reports)

"E85, which is 85 percent ethanol, provides fewer miles per gallon, costs more, and is hard to find outside the Midwest."

Do you even know that the source for the BTU rating is a BioDiesel production company?

Fuel Comparison Chart (Community Fuels)

QUOTE

"Diesel = 128,000-130,000 BTUs, Gasoline = 109,000-125,000 BTUs, Ethanol = 80,000 BTUs"

You also stated another lie: Vegetable Oil (BioDiesel) is LESS efficient then Diesel NOT the other way around:

Diesel = 128,000-130,000 BTUs

BioDiesel = 117,000-120,000 BTUs

So switching to Diesel was a smart idea.

Here is a new source that shows how much you actually spend after adjusting for bad gas mileage.

Fuel Gauge Report: E85 BTU Adjusted Price (AAA)


Regular:
$2.800

E85: $3.048 (BTU adjusted)

Are you seriously arguing that the lower mileage Ethanol and E85 gets is made up? I never stated it was a "disaster" just more expensive and less efficient.

Vegetable Oil is NOT Ethanol! Vegetable Oil and Biodiesel actually have a good BTU rating. I doubt the greenies would want to promote "diesel" anything. Do you not understand the difference?

 

The Anti "Man-Made" Global Warming Resource

One needs to also consider

One needs to also consider the labor intensity factor for a particular crop such as lettuce.  http://www.denverpos... With ICE cracking down on illegals some crops will be de-selected or reduced which then causes a shortage or upward price pressure on labor intensive crops.  I agree for the moment there will be a period of price instability.  However, if government were to minimize it's interference by the use of subsidies especially paying large farming corporations (Agribusiness) for NOT PLANTING acreage, then prices would come down.  Now that ethanol is a viable byproduct for farmers to make money, there is no reason why we should continue to subsidize this sector of the economy.  Farming has been subsidized in one form or another since the Depression, times have changed so the government programs must also change.

  Having said all that, PopularTech's little chart from Popular Mechanics Mag. makes a good point.  The electric car is the most reasonable alternative to the internal combustion engine from a national energy policy perspective.  We now have the technology to do this with the lithium ion battery.  Whether you choose to produce electricity from coal or nuclear power, the end result is energy independence for the US.  Ideally we should go with nuclear power as this would cut air pollution issues and also it is more cost effective than coal in terms of generating electricity.

When you feel you have to walk on eggshells to avoid problems with the MSM you are being codependent, the cure is to stomp on the eggshells

One more reason to hate ethanol...

As the number of acres of corn for the production of ethanol increases , the number of acres left for barley and hops decreases.  This will result in an increase in the price of beer. 

 Maybe, just maybe this will be enough to make people realize that ethanol might not be the best way to go.

On another note, does any one have information on the use of sugar to make alcohol based fuels?  I believe they use it in South America.  If we lifted the tariffs on sugar this might be a cheap source of energy. 

 

 

Note:  The beer comment is sarcasm.  Obviously the issue of world hunger is far more important than the price of beer.  No need do berate me about my insensityvity. 

 

 

 

There are 10 types of people.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Funny you mention sugar for ethanol, OneZero

There's a new TV drama called "Cane" that supposes that the government is about to start giving ethanol subsidies to U.S. sugar growers, making the value of the crop increase dramatically.

They are building a big

They are building a big sugar refinery in SW louisiana mainly for bio fuels. (I think the bill passed.)

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

"This will result in an

"This will result in an increase in the price of beer." OneZ, you may have said that tongue in cheek, but it is indicative of what is happening to grain based foods (Beer is a grain based consumable).

And I do take it serious! My Sam Adams is pushing 8 bucks a 6 pack. Ouch!

The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.  ~ Unknown

Forget ethanol and world hunger for a moment. This is serious.

I'm posting this about my hunger. Specifically my hunger for fresh, white, glorious corn-on-the-cob. The kind you buy right off the farmers truck, run (not walk) straight home, light the charcoal and shuck while you wait for the charcoal to be ready. I'm talking the kind you wrap in HD aluminum foil, with a little melted butter, salt, fresh ground pepper and a half-slice of fresh jalepeno pepper. Yeah, that kind.

As a backyard chef of considerable ability (and I'm no slouch in the kitchen, either) I cannot begin to produce the words to convey upon all of you just how underwhelmed I was with the summer corn crop this year. The quality was abysmal, and the prices were through the roof.

I live for summer corn. I think about it all winter long. Normally here in Georgia, we get some of the best around. I'm talking huge cobs with big, fat, juicy white kernels. The kind that will literally squirt one in the eye. If there is a better side-dish for your favorite grilled foods, I have yet to find it.

Perhaps it was the drought we have been experiencing here in the southeast. Maybe it was sun-spots, or an Orwellian conspiracy of some sort, but something tells me it may have had something to do with the current bio-fuel fad. If so, then this lunacy must end, and it must end right now. I will not go through another summer without that delectable delicacy known around here as summer corn.

And I better be able to get twenty ears for a buck, too. Else I shall be writing my congressman.

Numerous times.


When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.
-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.

Alright, Dave, knock it

Alright, Dave, knock it off. Next you'll be saying something about rib-eyes marinated in merlot, catfish fillets seasoned with butter and lemon-pepper, kebobs with tomatoes, onions, squash, peppers, etc., and adding wet hickory and/or mesquite chips to the charcoal.

"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan

Or thin sliced young

Or thin sliced young catfish. Dipped in meal and cajun spices. Deep fried.

Try using Apple wood chips instead of mesquite. i haven't gone back to mesquite since. Apple is a sweet smoke. 

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

If we're going to have a

If we're going to have a weekly open thread about football, we should really have one devoted to sharing favorite weekend recipes too; the kind that take up all four burners and create a stack of dishes in the sink. Having recently moved to the city, I have no place for a grill. Serious withdrawal.

"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors."
-Emily Bronte

JasonC,

I moved into an apartment from 2000 through 2003. In Georgia, grills are verboten in apartment complexes state-wide.

It was the most miserable three years of my life.

I'll live in a tent in somebody's backyard before I will ever do that again.


When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.
-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.

MikeB & Danbo,

Mmmmmmmmmmmmm.


When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.
-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.

Me too

We here in eastern NC are in the same shape you are in GA. This summer's drought has devistated the corn crop. Soybeans have faired a bit better but not much.

When I first moved her 12 years ago 'baccer was king. This area was the leading producing area for the US. Just in the last 2 years I have watched that just about dry up. There are still some farmers raising baccer. Most have changed to corn, soybeans and cotton.

The money is in corn and soybeans. They can make a lot more by selling it to produce fuels instead of corn flakes and tofu.

Fresh corn is getting harder to find around here. The farmer is going to where the money is. I do miss my silver queen.

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The kind of corn you long for is not used to make ethanol

Sheesh. Bio-fuels had nothing to do with your lack of 'summer corn'. Quit listening to whatever was telling you it was. That is one stupid source, and should never be trusted on anything.

kch

any acre sown with bio-corn is not sown with sweet corn; less supply price goes up

when there are fed govt programs to subsidize bio-corn it effects the sweet corn as the farmers will sow the most profitable

Supreme Court,  National Security,  Borders,  Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.

kch

thanks for answering, btw, where is your answer? (off somewhere where follow-up is differcult?)

Supreme Court,  National Security,  Borders,  Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.

Hate to disagree.

I live in NorthWest NJ and there are fields and fields of corn grown locally but no Silver Queen or much of any edible corn this year.

I was told by more than one local stand that the corn being grown is being sold for ethanol production.

Just to check this out I "borrowed" a few ears from a field and it was the most strange corn I ever ate. Not cattle corn but some strange hybrid with huge kernels and a very high sugar content but not edible.

 

kch50428,

Lighten up, will ya?

Besides, botg beat me to it. 


When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.
-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.

Dave

hey get rid of your sources, which in the case of a first person narrative is to say don't listen to yourself listen to kch.  You did point out that the weather had an effect and we get that but it was also another factor bio-corn which sealed the deal

Yes, you are even more annoying than Blonde.  the EYE

Coal Gasification...

Fuel from bio-products is a non-starter.  Even in the more optimistic forecasts call for displacing no more than 10% of today's gasoline needs.   Big deal, and at what costs?

To completely meet today's and tomorrow's gasoline needs, look no further than gasification of coal (Co2 be da***ed).

The US Military is going to require it for its own fuel needs.

Some current details:

http://www.emtec.org/ae/events/ae_summit07/sessions/session1.php

Oh, and what are you going to pave roads with? Make tires from? Hint: It won't be corn, soyabeans, sugar or other bio-sources!

 

This story was on NPR months

This story was on NPR months ago.

cool do you have a

cool do you have a link?

Supreme Court,  National Security,  Borders,  Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.

I heard it on Latino USA,

I heard it on Latino USA, this is the best link I could find: http://www.latinousa.org/program/lusapgm070209.html

The actual radio program talked about biofuels as the main cause driving the price of corn up.

thanks cleverpig

i remember a story on the rise in the cost of tortillas, nachos, etc

Yes, you are even more annoying than Blonde.  the EYE

Water

Another drawback to the ethanol insanity that doesn't get much coverage is the fact that it takes enormous volumes of water to supply the ethanol plants.  We're talking about 2 million gallons per day

They're building a plant in our back yard and it sounds like it is sure to eventually deplete the aquifer and drive our already-high water prices through the roof.

Ent, this is just another

Ent, this is just another issue where the politicians listen to ignorant activists (I'm assuming they're ignorant instead of malign) instead of economists, and the LibMedia advocate instead of report. There should be (but won't be) reports on all the media showing cost/benefit analyses about ethanol and bio-fuels. Perhaps Senator Inhofe may do this in his committee, but it will never be told in the news. Economics is too dry and esoteric a subject for us of the great unwashed peasantry to understand. We only need to know that the eeeeevil capitalists are expoiting the masses, and as a result the world is going to burn up. We only need to know that the government is on the job, looking out for our interests, and we shouldn't worry our little heads about it.

"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan

Very Good Point

Ethanol - Ethanol Production Threatens Plains States With Water Scarcity (Environmental News Service)

"Each gallon of ethanol takes four gallons of water to produce, so the authors calculate that the nine plants under construction would increase groundwater withdrawals from some of the most depleted parts of the Ogallala region by an estimated 2.6 billion gallons per year."

The Anti "Man-Made" Global Warming Resource

Kudzu has got to be the

Kudzu has got to be the answer.

It grows damn near everywhere. (and I do mean anywhere)

Grows in drought and heavy rain conditions. (does not need any irrigation)

It doesn't require any pesticides or fungicides. (save money and the environment)

Grows in almost any soil. (clay, sand, rocky soil, high acidity, low acidity, etc)

Can be grown horizontally and vertically. (imagine having 40 acres with hundreds of trellisses that stand 40-50 feet in the air with Kudzu)

Once planted, the stuff just keeps coming back. (almost impossible to get rid of)

The list of positives just keeps on going. The list of negatives.....hmmmmmm, can't think of any. 

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I'll give you a negative on kudzu

It can't compete in an actual free market against industrial hemp any better than corn or switchgrass could. Curses! It's that hated hippie-capitalism again.
JMR

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