
Byron York over at the National Review's Corner blog is reporting that the Senate has just voted 72 - 25 condemning MoveOn's "General Betray Us" advertisement published by the New York Times last Monday (h/t's to Charles Johnson and Glenn Reynolds).
This raises an interesting question: How will media report this vote?
After all, as York reported, every Republican Senator voted "Yea," while key Democrat leaders - including presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and Majority Leader Harry Reid - voted "Nay."
Here is the actual text of the amendment:
To express the sense of the Senate that General David H. Petraeus, Commanding General, Multi-National Force-Iraq, deserves the full support of the Senate and strongly condemn personal attacks on the honor and integrity of General Petraeus and all members of the United States Armed Forces.
Here are the nays:
Akaka (D-HI)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Byrd (D-WV)
Clinton (D-NY)
Dodd (D-CT)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Levin (D-MI)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Murray (D-WA)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)
York also reported the Democrat "Yeas":
Baucus
Bayh
Cardin
Carper
Casey
Conrad
Dorgan
Feinstein
Johnson
Klobuchar
Kohl
Landrieu
Leahy
Lieberman
Lincoln
McCaskill
Mikulski
Nelson, Ben
Nelson, Bill
Salazar
Tester
Webb
As York pointed out, it is indeed interesting that some of the Democrat Senators who had tremendous support from the netroots in last November's elections voted for the condemnation, notably McCaskill, Tester, Klobuchar, and Webb.
Charles Johnson has already noted the disgust over at Daily Kos:
Meanwhile, the Senate just passed the resolution condemning MoveOn.org, and the Kos Kidz are boiling with rage: Daily Kos: Do the Democrats even know who votes for them anymore?
Undeterred by all this negative attention, MoveOn released a new ad referring to all Republicans as traitors.
It's going to be quite interesting to see how this vote, and this new ad, get covered by the mainstream media in the next 24 hours.
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.
















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What a shameful list of
September 20, 2007 - 14:32 ET by Ruths husband BenWhat a shameful list of weasels.
"We just can't trust the American people to make those types of choices.... Government has to make those choices for people" -HRC
NJ is at 100% for losing
September 20, 2007 - 14:42 ET by FastEdProof that our representatives are loosers! Being from a small red area, surrounded by BLUE, there was no surprise that our socialist senators voted to call the guy, who keeps them free, a traitor.
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Anti-American NJ Sinators
September 20, 2007 - 15:26 ET by SouthJersey1953I wasn't the least bit surprised that our two Sinators, Mince-meat-head and Laughingberg voted against it. They are so anti-military, anti-US.......
I cannot understand why the stupid voters of this state keep idiots like them around.....
No RINOs in '08
They keep getting elected
September 20, 2007 - 15:38 ET by MikeBThey keep getting elected because they can bring home the pork projects, thereby sticking it to us evil knuckle-dragging rednecks in fly over country.
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Cornyn
September 20, 2007 - 15:46 ET by Lord ElicaniProps to one of my senators, John Cornyn, for putting this forward. Also, props to him for the earlier incident where he verbally pwnt McCain.
Quo usque tandem abutere, Catilina, patientia nostra? Quam diu etiam furor iste tuus nos eludet?
That's what is confusing
September 20, 2007 - 15:57 ET by FastEdTHESE guys DON'T bring home the pork - we only get back 50 cents for every $ sent to DC. These guys are NOT doing what they were elected for, and as corrupt as they are, they can't bring money back to the state. Don't forget, there is an investigation on womendez, and losenberg is sleeping most of the time.
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7 Dwarfs
September 20, 2007 - 16:43 ET by ThisnThatThere were actually 7 states that had 100% losers: Mass, Hawaii, NJ, Michigan, New York, Rhode Island, and West Virginia. Voters in those states must be double-proud. Come next November, make a list and check it twice!
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Socialists
September 20, 2007 - 18:48 ET by pbanks7I vote against Levin and Stabenow every freaking time. They're both socialists. It's the East side (UAW) of the state that elects these two.
Stabenow actually voted against the immigration bill to protect UAW jobs. I was shocked. I wrote her a thank you because it was the first time in memory she and I agreed.
Ignorance is bliss. It's easier to repeat a mindless slogan than to do some actual research.
Where's Obama?
September 20, 2007 - 14:42 ET by Lord ElicaniA check of the Senate roll call for this vote states that Barack Obama didn't vote. Is he too busy, or does he just not care?
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Nor Biden- very "important"
September 20, 2007 - 15:53 ET by Senior ChiefNor Biden- very "important" people they are. And look, not one democrack presidential wanna-bes voted "yea". Very dispecable...
In hiding
September 20, 2007 - 16:39 ET by ThisnThatObama and Biden are hiding. They did a calculation and figured the heat was less if they didn't vote -- although they will both get hit, they won't get slammed real hard by the kooks or the dims.
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...abstaining from
September 20, 2007 - 22:36 ET by TruthMonger...abstaining from condemning evil will look just as bad - nice try Ubama...
Biden is so irrelevant it doesn't even matter...
How about a WHO ARE THE TRAITORS VOTE?
September 20, 2007 - 14:47 ET by Six String SpiffLet's start with those 25....
The American Revolution Continued
Absolutely, when will the
September 20, 2007 - 14:56 ET by general companyAbsolutely, when will the binding resolution be put forward singling out these traitors. It is appalling that this trash has any say in American policy.
How is it treason? I know
September 20, 2007 - 14:57 ET by JasonCHow is it treason? I know this is a conservative site, but the words "treason", "traitor", and "un-American" have gotten more epithetic mileage than usual this week.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Jason... And for good
September 20, 2007 - 15:00 ET by Clear thinkerJason...
And for good reasons!!!
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When those 25 democrats
September 20, 2007 - 15:03 ET by JasonCWhen those 25 democrats start selling arms and state secrets to al-Qaeda, we can talk. So long as they're voting legitimately in ways you disapprove of or verbally condemn the war, um, that's not actually treason. I'm sure some new version of the Patriot Act will make sure that it is within a few years, but for now it's just A Political Stance That You Don't Approve Of.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
That ad calling Gen Petreaus
September 20, 2007 - 15:26 ET by RangerTomThat ad calling Gen Petreaus Gen Betrayal is a political statement? Maybe by moveon.org but for 25 US sitting Senators, that is just a load of crap to let that go by the board without condemning it.
Screw diversity, celebrate competancy
I didn't say it was a
September 20, 2007 - 15:51 ET by JasonCI didn't say it was a political statement. I'm saying that not condemning it is not equal to treason. Those senators may suffer political consequences, but people here are suggesting they should suffer legal consequences as well, which I find inappropriate.
Also, you spelled "competency" wrong, which is just deliciously ironic, considering the context.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
So long as they're
September 20, 2007 - 16:22 ET by general companySo long as they're voting legitimately in ways you disapprove of or verbally condemn the war, um, that's not actually treason.
When they voted for the General, and then support those that have labled him "traitor", their is really only one conclusion that one may come to: either he is or they are. The left started the conversation, not our fault if they and you dont like where it is heading.
JasonC: Perhaps you need
September 20, 2007 - 16:51 ET by BDJasonC:
Perhaps you need to engage your imagination to get this concept.
I want you to imagine you are watching the recent HBO WWII mini series "Band of Brothers." Now, imagine that during episode II when the CPT Winters character is assisting each of the 13 members of his paratrooper "Stick" up so they can load into the DC-3 aircraft there is a tye-dyed t-shirt wearing poney tailed guy who is calling out to them:
"You are all gonna die, you are evil lying bastards and it is for NOTHING because FDR was lying to us"
Would you consider the "Protestor" to be a traitor?
BD, I heartily condemn
September 20, 2007 - 21:55 ET by JasonCBD, I heartily condemn anyone who says such things to soldiers. And this sort of accusation is the what compels anti-war folks to reiterate that they support the troops; that they would certainly not dream of blaming them directly like that.
The idea that we must remain silent about our discontent and our belief that the war should not be happening has nothing to do with the soldiers themselves. You're essentially demanding that in expressing an ethos for or against the war, we must take the soldiers' feelings into account; sorry, but it cannot work that way. It's a prime example of the Affective Fallacy. Just because an argument is emotionally compelling does not make it right. We cannot base our foreign policy on the idea that the soldiers must be allowed to "finish the job" or some such thing. The troops must be taken care of and should be respected, but we cannot link empathy for them to feelings about the war in and of itself.
That said, let me repeat, the scenario you describe above, of someone in tie-dye and a ponytail (natch!) shouting at soldiers is sick and wrong. I would disagree though, even about this atrocious scenario, that it qualifies literally as treason. Sorry. That doesn't mean I hate America.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
And this sort of accusation
September 21, 2007 - 10:56 ET by BDAnd this sort of accusation is the what compels anti-war folks to reiterate that they support the troops;
I find the lefts statements that they support the troops hollow since:
Most of them voted or supported votes against development of military gear for the past twenty years, and also desired a shrinking of the US Army by two divisions (Both of which we could REALLY have used for the past two years.) The desire by the left to have a bit more of the "Peace Dividend" during the Clinton Administration has saddled us with the situation regarding manpower that we are in today.
WHat is struly insulting is the lefts "Bleating" now that Bush sent the Army to war unprepared because not every HMMWV is uparmored. Hell, the money to perform the research on this was not in the pipeline for the entire Clinton Administration.
The idea that we must remain silent about our discontent and our belief that the war should not be happening has nothing to do with the soldiers themselves.
Then why do the protestors gather at the main gate of the military installations? Why do we have nut-jobs trying to sneak onto our post so they can accuse our CG of training US troops to torture?
You have obviously never been in uniform as you pass through San Francicso Intl. You can feel the venom from the locals.... Talk about Affective Fallacy...
The troops must be taken care of and should be respected, but we cannot link empathy for them to feelings about the war in and of itself.
Using this logic we cannot pull them out of contact because we feel sorry for them as Leon has said in other locations. Emotion cannot and is not used in logaically planning. However, as Napoleon said, the Moral is to the physical as three is to one. WHole armies have quite the field due to lack of morale and it is a key factor that commanders attempt to impact.
Lets modify my scenario. Would the ponytail guy demanding the troops surrender as they boarded the aricraft qualify as treason? I would say yes.
Jason C.,
September 20, 2007 - 15:07 ET by Dave RRight here.
Also:
TREASON - This word imports a betraying, treachery, or breach of allegiance.
The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against
the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to
their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offence is punished with death.
By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of
treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on
confession in open court.
When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.
Ooooooh, wikipedia! How
September 20, 2007 - 15:07 ET by JasonCOoooooh, wikipedia! How long did that take you?
If we are using this phrase - "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." - as a jumping off point, the simple problem is that the Democrats' actions and voting records have not actively done any of those things, they simply conflict with your idea of what is good for the country. As I said, until arms and intelligence are being sold to AQ (that's what I call "Reagan-style Treason") you might want to use a less provocative term. Really, it's on par with "Bush lied and should be impeached."
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Jason C, I was trying to be fair here. Don't be a SMARTASS.
September 20, 2007 - 15:12 ET by Dave RWhen I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.
Alright, sorry, I recant my
September 20, 2007 - 15:16 ET by JasonCAlright, sorry, I recant my teasing about wikipedia. The remainder of my points stand.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
jasonc
September 20, 2007 - 15:23 ET by misterbillYou obviously choose to interpret, "seriously injure the parent nation", much differently than I. Beside violating the Logan law, Ms Pelosi's visit to a nation known to be aiding Al Qaeda in Iraq and known to be hostile to the US, constitutes an Act of Treason. Just as Jane Fonda's visit to Vietnam and her posing for pictures with our enemies. You have a more complex view of life than I. Perhaps that is why you are so liberal?
Or perhaps you agree with those who are committing these acts of treason???
A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.
How can I agree with "those
September 20, 2007 - 15:25 ET by JasonCHow can I agree with "those committing acts of treason" when they are not committing treason? That's like, some deep Buddhist $h!t right there!
OK, I'll give you Fonda, that's closer to it than any of the senate dems today.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
did you fail to see---
September 20, 2007 - 15:49 ET by misterbilldid you fail to see Pelosi --syria????
No permission from the state department=====
PLUS "seriously injure the parent nation", "seriously injure the parent"seriously injure the parent nation", nation", "seriously injure the parent nation", geez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jason C,
September 20, 2007 - 16:03 ET by Dave ROK, I'll give you Fonda, that's closer to it than any of the senate dems today.
Actually, what Jane Fonda did, though loathsome and treasonous as hell, was not nearly as harmful to this country as what the people on that list have been doing.
Those people are working very hard to deny the Armed Forces of the United States of America the funding it needs to operate successfully, thus they are essentially attempting to cause us to LOSE THE FLIPPIN" WAR!
Sounds pretty harmful to me.
When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.
Jason C.,
September 20, 2007 - 16:58 ET by Dave RDuring the Southern War for Independence, had any elected representatives on either side openly engaged in a similar action, they would have been rounded up and would, at the very least, been held incommucado (as in they were allowed no visitors, period) for the duration of the conflict.
Some would go straight to the gallows, sans any form of trial whatsoever. In many cases, all it took was the mere suspicion of aiding the other side.
You said:
...the simple problem is that the Democrats' actions and voting records
have not actively done any of those things, they simply conflict with
your idea of what is good for the country.
Wishing ill for this country in a time of war by actively taking steps to cause it harm in a war we did not ask for is far more than a mere conflict with my idea of what is good for the country.
The people whose names appear on that first list have attempted repeatedy to try and force a 100% pullout from Iraq, thus aiding the goals of our enemy, as well as give them an undeserved victory against the United States of America. They want us to lose in Iraq, and are actively working to bring that condition about.
If that does not fit the definition of treason, I don't know what does.
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As I sit here, Columbia University has just invited that Akhmedinadinnerjacket guy to come to their campus and give a speech. At this very moment, Iranian soldiers and operatives are in Iraq, helping the terrorists to kill Americans.
Perhaps that is an acceptable situation to you. It is not acceptable to me.
When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.
No aid or comfort here?
September 20, 2007 - 15:53 ET by general companytheir enemies, giving them aid or comfort
JC I am sure our enemies are as appaled as I am?
you might want to use a less provocative term.
No, I used the term I thought was appropriate, you are the one who posted the definition, seems to suit them just fine.
" Treason against the
September 20, 2007 - 15:04 ET by dabal"
This "aid and comfort to
September 20, 2007 - 15:09 ET by JasonCThis "aid and comfort to the enemy" nonsense has been spewed since the protests that took place before we even invaded Iraq. It basically boils down to "if you oppose the war in any way, it's like joining the opposition." It's a cheap political enthymeme and smacks of the kind of shameful behavior that US citizens perpetuated against war objectors at the time of WWI.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Jason, I wish you could C
September 20, 2007 - 16:42 ET by JayTeeYou need an education......you need to have a conversation with "Boots on the ground" people.
You need to interview a Terrorists and ask him if what what he reads in American Newspapers makes him happy.
You need to go to the Gatheringofeagles site and read about how a real Iraq verteran reacted to seeing a Flag draped coffin in the 9/15 parade of cowards. The Iraq verteran Jake, had one arm and was using a Cane to walk, and it took two people to stop him from reacting violently.
You need an education.
What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ? David Foote GoE
The Iraq verteran Jake, had
September 20, 2007 - 21:58 ET by JasonCThe Iraq verteran Jake, had one arm and was using a Cane to walk, and it took two people to stop him from reacting violently.
That's very sad and moving. It is also irrelevant to the issue of whether the war should end, what is treason, and whether people can criticize the war and still implicitly support the troops. Sorry to be the bad guy, but evoking emotional imagery has nothing to do with these things.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
The Peace protestors had
September 21, 2007 - 11:13 ET by BDThe Peace protestors had their say prior to the vote to commance hostilites with Iraq.
Once that happened any further protest could only be aimed at defeating the US goals.
I wonder what they'd think of this
September 20, 2007 - 15:11 ET by mattmFrom To The Point News
Ridiculously disingenuous
September 20, 2007 - 15:15 ET by JasonCRidiculously disingenuous ad. If Saddam had conquered all of the middle east and parts of Eastern Europe (as had Hitler), this war would be a very different story. If all Hitler had been doing was brutalizing his own people, I'll bet you a Coke we wouldn't have taken on Germany. Besides which, Germany and Japan were allies and both were heavily militarized and had imperial designs, taking on one necessitated taking on the other.
What do you know, conservative "Humor" can be just as offensive and unmindful of history as liberal "humor".
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
If Saddam had conquered all
September 20, 2007 - 15:26 ET by Dan The Man 2If Saddam had conquered all of the middle east and parts of Eastern Europe (as had Hitler), this war would be a very different story .. so you object to the invasion of Iraq because it was tioo small in scale? How big does a war have to be, like a world wide effort to disrupt the USA through terrorist means? One we need to protect from and be vigillant and never let our guard down? Such as a conflict we are embroiled in now of which Iraq is a smaller subset aslong with Syria ,Iran and others?
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Take on Germany? I think
September 20, 2007 - 15:33 ET by RangerTomTake on Germany? I think they declared war on the US, didn't they? Because Japan and Germany were allied does not make a damn bit of difference that they were. Germany could very well have not decided to be foolish and declare war on the US. That was just one of many mistakes Hitler made before Dec 7, 1941.
Screw diversity, celebrate competancy
RangerTom,
September 20, 2007 - 15:43 ET by Dave RGermany did declare war on us first. But, to Jason C and his ilk, we should have let them attack us first, just to make it fair.
When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.
Wah wah wah.... Typical Lib
September 20, 2007 - 16:47 ET by mattmWah wah wah.... Typical Lib tripe response....
If you want an anaology to Iraq/WOT with WWII you should read the Gathering Storm by Winston Churchill, who warned that war with Germany was inevitable as long as Hitler was allowed to violate the Treaty of Versailles and get away with it. The Libs of the day called him a warmonger and the appeasers got their way...resulting in the needless deaths of millions.
That ad is a perfect illustration of the treason of the Left. If you don't like it, tough... go blow your nose....
Pretty clear to me...
September 20, 2007 - 17:25 ET by Conservative_in_mass."If Saddam had conquered all of the middle east and parts of Eastern Europe (as had Hitler), this war would be a very different story."
His invasion of Iran in 1980 and the invasion of Kuwait in 1990 is all the evidence I need to illustrate Sadaam's intentions.
Imagine if France and Britain had stood up to Hitler in the Summer of 1938 (Munich Conference) when they allowed the German occupation of the Sudetenland section of Czechoslovakia.
History might have been a little different.
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. ~ Unknown
matt, see my post
September 20, 2007 - 15:58 ET by motherbeltmatt, see my post farther down the thread (@ 15:54, The bigmouth that posted)....the slime that posted on Kos is now fudging the ad, saying it called Petraeus a "biased figurehead." Doesn't even have the nerve to stand up for the ad in its original form. Gutless wonder.
Let's
September 20, 2007 - 15:24 ET by bigtimerLet's see....hmmmmmm......
Who has who by the balls?
This vote says it all for me....
How the msm reports it matters not as far as I am concerned....although I will be keeping an ear open on the upcoming political shows...do not except much though.
but bt, do you think they
September 20, 2007 - 16:02 ET by motherbeltbut bt, do you think they will have anything at all to say about Hillary Clinton and the other Democrat candidates who voted nay? Do you think they will have their feet put to the fire on this?
I doubt it. As usual, they will be allowed to get away with it. Not like when they insist that Republicans are against "hate-crimes" legislation, because they refuse to sign some abomination of a bill that at Democrat proposes.
I doubt that ANYONE in the MSM will say that Clinton (or any other Dem) stood up for the ad! We will just get their BS "free speech" spin.
Exactly right
September 20, 2007 - 16:52 ET by ThisnThatMB, you're right. The apologist and spin on this vote is going to be overwhelming. And if she is ever asked directly, she won't give a direct answer. What a creepy person she is.
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msnbc is reporting on this
September 20, 2007 - 15:34 ET by bigtimermsnbc is reporting on this vote now....(Nora o'Donnell and Mike Viquera)
Very humorous too s far as I am concerned.
Says the big bad republicans managed to put the dem's especially the Prez candidates in a tight spot....
Boxer had her own version up....didn't make it...nor did it mention the despicable Petraeus ad....
Cornyn's did.
LMAO!
Hi, bt.
September 20, 2007 - 15:47 ET by Dave RGlad your back. Place just ain't the same without ya.
When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.
Hi bigtimer, We have
September 20, 2007 - 17:21 ET by msh1973Hi bigtimer,
We have missed you as of late...hope all is well.
Dribble
September 20, 2007 - 15:48 ET by voodoodaddyJasonC,
Have you ever just sat down and read the dribble you spew? I mean really and truthfully sat down and read what you spew.
You really should.
Sit down and read, are two
September 20, 2007 - 16:11 ET by Senior ChiefSit down and read, are two things you want him to do at the same time. He can't do that, too complicated. How much more when you ask him to "analyze" or just "contemplate". He won't accept the word traitor labeled to his fav 25 senators, because his brain, his dictionary and his constitution won't allow him to!
Senior Chief, U.S. Navy.
I could care less about
September 20, 2007 - 17:38 ET by JasonCI could care less about those senators, I'm reacting to the behavior on this site, of invoking overkill language to describe politicians who simply disagree with you.
And I have an excellent education, thank you just the same.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
}}---> JasonC
September 20, 2007 - 17:47 ET by Cool ArrowMaybe you should have let that education go to your head.
Bragging about education for the sake of bragging doesn't carry much weight around here.
We care about what's right. It's not always easy to condemn lies when they are told by a rich friend. Stand with Soros, if you will. It is a free country.
~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~
I only mentioned it in
September 20, 2007 - 18:02 ET by JasonCI only mentioned it in reply to the person above who suggested I get one.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
jasonC
September 20, 2007 - 17:55 ET by misterbillSorry old twit, I am in a feisty mood today--in just a little pain.
If you are as smart as you allege--you would say , "I couldn't care less" not "I could care less". This malapropism has been corrected numerous times by other bloggers. I call it to you attention because you have been a giant PITA today.
If you want, I will explain why it is one and not the other. Engage brain, then type!
}}---> Thanks, Misterbill
September 20, 2007 - 18:00 ET by Cool ArrowI might have pointed out his grammatical faux pas but I guess I was just too much in awe of his "excellent education".
True, it is an oft-made,
September 20, 2007 - 18:01 ET by JasonCTrue, it is an oft-made, but nevertheless incorrect mistake. I think it might be an example of a spoonerism.
And I apologize for irritating you and that you aren't feeling well, but I am not being outrageous or obnoxious here.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
JC
September 20, 2007 - 18:01 ET by Noel SheppardJC,
Good to see you here again. Hope all is well.
I'm going to play Switzerland here, and say I see both sides. First, I believe the outrage on the right concerning this issue is genuine, understandable, and deserving. This was, indeed, a disgraceful ad disgracefully timed.
Furthermore, any Senator that voted for Petraeus's appointment who subsequently voted against this amendment is a hypocrite, and a political opportunist. Maybe chief amongst them is Hillary who not only voted for the war and all the funding resolutions, but also supported Petraeus's appointment. As everything she does is a political calculus, and her husband was certainly involved in this vote, they've clearly concluded that in order for her to win the White House, she must be an anti-war candidate. Sadly, few on the left and in the media assuming there's a difference are insulted by this hypocrisy.
On the other hand, I don't feel it was treason for folks to vote against this amendment inasmuch as it did include language condemning MoveOn's ad. If this was just about a show of support for Petraeus, I might feel differently, especially towards those who voted for his appointment. However, given the language concerning MoveOn, one could say that a Yea vote goes against freedom of speech.
Sure, that might be a stretch. However, this is America, and MoveOn is entitled to publish such an ad, no matter how disgraceful. Did this ad rise to the level of treason? As much as I hate this group, and this ad, I don't think so. As a result, Senators voting not to condemn the ad are similarly not committing treason. They should be ashamed of themselves for not supporting a General who won his appointment without one dissenting vote. But treason? I'm not sure I'm there. FWIW. ns
Now that's a reasonable
September 20, 2007 - 18:04 ET by JasonCNow that's a reasonable response Noel. I don't think I'm saying anything inflammatory, but the response I'm getting is absurdly over the top. Thanks for your time, I'll be back in a few hours.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Would it be treason for a
September 20, 2007 - 18:13 ET by BDWould it be treason for a US citizen to do the following.
1.) Transmit discouraging messages to US troops for the enemy prior to an invasion?
2.) Visit captured US troops in a camp and tell them that they should cooperate with the enemy for the good of mankind?
3.) Transmit messages to the enemy over FM radio to bolster the enemies morale?
4.) Stand in fron t of the enemy to act as a human shield so US troops cannot engage them, but enemy troops can safely engage US troops?
5.) Stand in the well at the US Senate and say that the US troops are inherently evil and must be destroyed to save mankind?
Just want to see where you stand on this.
The bigmouth that posted
September 20, 2007 - 16:03 ET by motherbeltThe bigmouth that posted the Senate vote, on Kos, someone called fatboyjohnson....had this to say about the MoveOn ad: he called it the MoveOn ad that called General Petraeus a biased figurehead. How's that for a gutsy move?
Oh right, I forgot that General Betray Us is a synonym for Biased Figurehead!!
You'td think he would have the guts to stand up for the ad if he believes in it. Instead,he issues a whine that tries to make it sound like the ad only said Petraeus was "biased" and everyone's getting all worked up over nothing.
No class. All A$$
Kudos to the Dems that voted yes
September 20, 2007 - 15:55 ET by well99They didnt let the left control them.Always give credit when credit is due.They deserve credit for standing up for what is right(no pun intended).The ad and NYT duplicity was a smear job.Since the General hadnt even had a chance to have his say.As far as the nay votes well no surprise there.It is their right to vote the way they want.Even thought they probably will go thru alot of towels to wipe off that brown stuff on their noses but I also have the right to my opinion..oh well
Gives us new insight to
September 20, 2007 - 16:00 ET by BuffNBoneGives us new insight to the phrase, "We support the troops."
In my book either you do or you don't. The whimpiest position one can take is not casting a vote at all.
"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"
Buff
September 20, 2007 - 16:15 ET by Conservative_in_mass.Could not agree more. This vote needs to be shoved in the face of each one of these cowards every time they utter the words "we support the troops, not the mission".
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. ~ Unknown
No surprises there
September 20, 2007 - 16:11 ET by hawkrock60except for seeing "Feinstein" in the Yeas column.
A bit of a surprise
September 20, 2007 - 16:53 ET by well99Funny thing is she has voted against her party before.Not often but not a complete my party right or wrong type.
She Hasn't Had the Kool-Aid
September 20, 2007 - 19:41 ET by Del DolemonteShe's been a Patriot Act supporter as well, and is a supporter of capital punishment, believe it or not! She's also not running for re-election, which explains a lot.
Agree
September 21, 2007 - 12:35 ET by well99I dont think she has a Boxer mentality.She is more a liberal where Boxer is left wing.There is a difference.
Sad indeed
September 20, 2007 - 16:11 ET by Conservative_in_mass.The moral fiber of these 25 senators combined would not fill a shot glass. What reprehensible behavior. And to read this on a day where we learn the sad news of Sgt. Jeffers.
I'm actually getting sick.
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. ~ Unknown
The Saddest Case...
September 20, 2007 - 19:48 ET by Del DolemonteThe saddest member of the Gang of 25 is perhaps Daniel Inouye of Hawaii, who lost an arm in World War 2 as a member of the famous 442nd. He's basically now calling Petraeus a criminal. That's pathetic.
Of course, Dan jumped the shark a long time ago-he was one of the Senators who protested when the Electoral College certified Dubyah's 2000 victory.
Agreed Del. From what I've
September 20, 2007 - 20:12 ET by Conservative_in_mass.Agreed Del. From what I've read about Inouye's military service, it is confusing to me how he could cast a vote that way. I think it might be that inside the beltway disease that infected him long ago.
As for "war heroes" like my Jr. Senator "Lerch" Kerry it's expected. He's been a lemming for the anti war crowd for almost 40 years. Knifing the military in the back is old hat for him.
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. ~ Unknown
No, Inouye's Disease is Home-Grown
September 20, 2007 - 21:34 ET by Del DolemonteYou're partially correct. The only two Senators who have been in DC longer than Dan are Sheets Byrd and Chappaquidick Fats. Dan was my Senator when I lived in Hawaii 44 years ago. In fact, he more than anyone else was responsible for Hawaii becoming the 50th State.
Dan's real disease, however, is home-grown. Hawaii has descended into a liberal cesspool over the past 40+ years that the Dems have been in total control. They can count among their "achievements" one of the worst "Ice" epidemics on the planet, due to their ultra-liberal state Supreme Court. Ice-related crimes are rampant-when I was back there for a visit a few years ago, a military guy who was minding his own business on one of the beaches jumped into the surf to rescue someone in danger of drowning, and when he got back to shore he found out that he was rewarded for his bravery by having everything he had with him on the beach stolen while he was doing the rescue.
Political corruption in the state has also been rife for decades, and the public education system there these days is a joke, with some of the lowest test scores in the US. The elementary school I went to in the 1960s didn't look like it had been painted since I left, and in fact during our visit they had to close several classrooms as the ceilings, which hadn't been maintained since the school was built in the 1950s, were collapsing on the kids.
Any wonder Dan has lost it?
Here is the 81-0 vote to
September 20, 2007 - 16:23 ET by Roger the ShrubberHere is the 81-0 vote to confirm Petraeus back in January. Looks like alot of liberal senators are mighty pissed that Petraeus did not sing to their tune. Liberals like Jason, I offer you all a chance to reconcile why the gigantic change of heart in your senators?
End of Presidential hopes for MOVE ON candidates.
September 20, 2007 - 16:31 ET by JayTeeIt's over for the Democratic candidates that voted no on this issue...Americans will not tolerate un-American activities against the Military in a time of War. The illusion of MOVE ON representing a "Majority" of the American people has NOT been proved. Pelosi got 150,000 votes (thats all) from the same people that elected her during Clinton's presidency....that was not a national mandate. There is no HATE America/Hate the Military Mandate. I just don't know when the Dems will be informed...in the voting in the Democratic Convention, or the National Election, but the Mandate will not look like they are expecting it to look. Hillary is Toast. She can't recover from this one.
There will be 160,000 military votes from Iraq, to neutralize the Move on followers...if they have that many.
What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ? David Foote GoE
I hope you are right
September 20, 2007 - 16:38 ET by general companyI hope you are right. It would had been nice to of had Obama's and Edwards vote on this. Although Edwards is probably shooting himself in the foot as I write this
GenCo....try this...
September 20, 2007 - 17:11 ET by JayTeeI did...
Try and find someone in your office (if you work), or someone in the Public...store...fast food...car lot...theater...restaurant...etc....
Try and find a MOVE ON supporter, sympathizer, favorable opinion, etc.....YOU CAN"T FIND "em .... They are nowhere to be found.
I can find a "bush Lied" I can find lots of Bush haters....but there ain't no Move On supporters out there.....or at least anyone that will admit it.
Move on has zero support...even the MSM is gonna sell 'em down the drain, and the MSM doesn't wanna go down with them.
What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ? David Foote GoE
Shame, Hillary is so looking for their support,,,,,,,,?
September 20, 2007 - 18:48 ET by general companyI doubt if I could find any, folks that know me would not tell me, and where I live any supporters would be too embarrased.
But then again, a lot of the Dems here in SE La vote Republican, "since all of the Democrat have gone crazy". My 80yr old neighbor
I can't believe Bill Nelson,
September 20, 2007 - 17:18 ET by msh1973I can't believe Bill Nelson, of Florida, actually voted "Yes" on this amendment. I am almost certain this is the first time he has ever voted with the Republicans.
Well, a broken clock is
September 20, 2007 - 17:42 ET by motherbeltWell, a broken clock is right twice a day...it just doesn't realize it!
motherbelt, That was
September 20, 2007 - 17:51 ET by msh1973motherbelt,
That was pretty funny!